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[Kop]

this interaction is weird ngl

Hi. I'm weird.

we know

lol watch this be a breadcrumb

breadcrumb of what

Lol Grandpa's never played with me as a PR so I guess that makes sense. He's legit never seen me invested in a game.

As I type this out...it makes me wonder why Grandpa would see a personality comment as a bread crumb thpugh.

This post feels really, really off.

What makes it feel off?

My tr on him comes from tonal/vibes atm

How is it different from the game we just finished?

Ok iirc the game was just came off of, I was tring him for his content, but this game its more for his vibes/tonal. Also there is almost no point in metaing t3 since he plays too crazily/weirdly regardless of alligment

Was his vibes/tonal different in that game, to this one?

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

whats the point of roden saying that? same answer.

what makes you SO offended about this post that you have to reply and make a whole quote about it and talk about it. i know roden and i have played roden. i havent formally interacted with roden other than this.

Because I know in like 1-2 days you're just gonna sheep the consenous read on Roden, you're setting it up, ik that. these blanket reads dont really hold of much value to me. Roden doing this is also bad, never said it was good. Im aware i didnt call him out on it earlier, but I am now B)(+i think rodens a slight TL rn)

I kinda agree with this tbh.

T3 is probably town this game btw

Agreed. I'm feeling good about you, T3, Titus, and StD. And I guess Galron by association if the earlier meta read is correct.

despite me liking u, i have to say i hard disagree on this town circle -- and its a bad one here.

i feel like hockey and titus are never alligned here :/

okay; why is hockey town then?

answer my question first before you go on to ask 5 other questions.

i already said why hockey was town. they are playing close to their town meta. they are acting again tstbs, where they engage in a conversation with me point out a weird narrative and fight it till death. hockey however could have improved their scumplay and i wouldnt be suprised if they did this to trick me in thinking they are town because they know if i argue with them i will eventually call them tstbs which would be an amazing play on hockeys part.

They may be playing close to there town meta, but it's not just you that they have to convince they are town. I may understand the point that they may be trying to get you on board, but even you aren't strong enough to convince everybody that they are town, just because 'you' know there town meta, where others might not.

I kinda feel this whole back and forth from Gamma and Grandpa is strange and feels like it could be theatre, but I just don't think it would come day one, so I don't know. It just feels weird.

And I don't like the what looks like to be buddying from T3 and Titus in the early stages.

[Kop]

I kinda agree with this tbh.

how do u agree on a meta read when u havent even played wit me

I was agreeing with the point, that you could easily shape yourself to be on either side the consensus comes too. I mean you said that you could be able to form a read in 1-2 days, but if Roden becomes widely scum read, you could easily agree with that consensus and say yeah he's scum, I've got my read.

The same also could be said about Roden when he said the same thing about you.

[Kop]

^towntell for not knowing that tho

I can see your point on it being a town tell, but could easily be scum faking that they didn't know.

[Kop]

You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him

I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.

Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.

[Kop]

VOTE: Gamma

This slot is theater-ing somebody but I'm not sure who yet. I don't think the third scum isn't interacting with Gamma at all.

Wait, I'm either not knowing the full facts of this setup, but how would you know there is 3 scum on the same team?

[Kop]

Multiball is not allowed in mini normals anymore

Fair enough.

[Kop]

VOTE: Gamma

This slot is theater-ing somebody but I'm not sure who yet. I don't think the third scum isn't interacting with Gamma at all.

Wait, I'm either not knowing the full facts of this setup, but how would you know there is 3 scum on the same team?

It's standard site meta that in a 13p game there are 3 scum. This seems like a fake excuse to scumread someone. VOTE: Kop

How am I using that as a fake reason to scum read someone?

Yes I am fully aware that it's standard 3 scum in a game of this size, but I wasn't fully aware that it's no longer allowed multiball. I had a hiatus for quite sometime so wasn't aware of rule changes regarding multiball. And not seeing the full setup, I wasn't totally sure that it's all mafia.

I'm not scum reading Gamma based on that.

[Kop]

^We might as well get rid of this slot if this is all of the content it's gonna produce

^We might as well get rid of this slot if this is all of the content it's gonna produce

do u scumread them at all

Nope

btw wtf is this sequence lol. I dont think theres anythign wrong with DGB giving blanket reads

I dont think so either but if that's your entire content you need to go

Dunno man, what if we have DGB as an IC by meta who we don't eliminate.

But she could be playing to her meta that everybody will know is her town meta, it's not really requiring any effort or energy to do so. So simply put it, she might be scum this time, but playing her general town playstyle. I'm not willing to have an IC based on meta, whatever she was in the previous games, does not equate to this game.

I fully understand the point in meta, but I simply cannot, and won't, base any reads concretely on meta.

If that's the only content that she can provide, single one liners without any reasoning to back her reads up as the game progresses, then it is simply going to be difficult to make a decision towards the end of the game who to eliminate. And I don't like the idea of doing coin flips on naked reads and very little reasoning over content with valid but could be wrong reasonings. And I certainly ain't going to put meta on her side of the coin.

[Kop]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

It does seem weird, but I don't think he is bullshitting with this, and I generally don't think he is using that as a valid reason to go back into being inactive. I don't know why he has come out with it this early, but his reasonings seems plausible from the posts after.

He's town based on that.

[Kop]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

I think it buys a day, if he's alive tomorrow he hardclaims and we go from there

I can sense the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it. It feels like something that scum would be actively thinking, and are setting up the next day.

[Kop]

Okay, we should be voting people just because they have a lazy playstyle

It's not necessarily a lazy playstyle we should be voting for, some lazy playstyles have valid reasoning behind there posts but just lack in ability to put more effort in. You can give valid reads with reasonings in a few posts, it doesn't have to be walls that can give a town read.

DGB is simply posting naked reads, little reasoning, but is getting widely town read based on meta, I'm uncomfortable having that sort of style at the end of the game, but right now, I don't feel this day is best to sort it out. I'd personally prefer a information gathered lynch, than a policy lynch, as DGB would give us nothing to go on.

[Kop]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

Nah.

Scum don't do that.

Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case

Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.

Roden can be town based on that. It's not just the hint that's giving me town vibes, it's some of the explanation after, that kinda makes it more plausible that he is town.

[Kop]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

Nah.

Scum don't do that.

Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case

Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.

"I've never seen scum gambit" isn't really enough for me

Scum do gambits I agree, but I just don't think this is one. Not this early, and not under any pressure to do so.

[Kop]

Regarding 1052

Worst Scumcase ever :^)

You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him

I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.

Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.

First scum log. Just having generally consesnus sr's is scum+ imo. Also, in this post its a bunch of fence sitting, and not comitting to a read on certain posts. For example, in this post he thinks I didnt fake townslipped but also it could very well be a fake townslip which is super ??, not really taking a stance.

I was simply saying that you could have fake townslipped because I have seen it before in other games, but I'm not taking a stance simply because I'm not going to hold a read based on that. You might have genuinely meant what you said, and not faked it.

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

I think it buys a day, if he's alive tomorrow he hardclaims and we go from there

I can sense the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it. It feels like something that scum would be actively thinking, and are setting up the next day.

Again more fence sitting, says he can see the reasoning behind it, but still likes it ?? Says he can sense the reasoning just to say it would be smth scum would be thinking so why do u sense the reasoning behind it? negl, Kop/Superbowl interactions are super weird

Where did I say that I like it?

I can see his reasoning where it comes to day 2 and Roden is still alive he will need to hard claim. Town are going to wonder why a PR is still alive in day 2 because PR's are generally a threat to scum. Scum can easily see this, and will likely be setting up day 2 by creating WIFOM and allowing Roden to live.

^towntell for not knowing that tho

I can see your point on it being a town tell, but could easily be scum faking that they didn't know.

AGAIN, MORE OF THE "I CAN SEE YOUR POINT" BUT IT COULD EASILLY BE "SCUM ....", like you're not willing to take hard stances on certain things which I think comes from scum+

Because like I said above. I'm not going to hold a read based on that. I was simply stating that you could have said what you did, for others to possibly believe it's a town tell and you would get a town read on it. I was taking the stance that I wasn't buying it, but I'm not going to town read you or scum read you based on your comment of day chat.

[Kop]

Regarding 1052

Worst Scumcase ever :^)

You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him

I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.

Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.

First scum log. Just having generally consesnus sr's is scum+ imo. Also, in this post its a bunch of fence sitting, and not comitting to a read on certain posts. For example, in this post he thinks I didnt fake townslipped but also it could very well be a fake townslip which is super ??, not really taking a stance.

I was simply saying that you could have fake townslipped because I have seen it before in other games, but I'm not taking a stance simply because I'm not going to hold a read based on that. You might have genuinely meant what you said, and not faked it.

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

I think it buys a day, if he's alive tomorrow he hardclaims and we go from there

I can sense the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it. It feels like something that scum would be actively thinking, and are setting up the next day.

Again more fence sitting, says he can see the reasoning behind it, but still likes it ?? Says he can sense the reasoning just to say it would be smth scum would be thinking so why do u sense the reasoning behind it? negl, Kop/Superbowl interactions are super weird

Where did I say that I like it?

I can see his reasoning where it comes to day 2 and Roden is still alive he will need to hard claim. Town are going to wonder why a PR is still alive in day 2 because PR's are generally a threat to scum. Scum can easily see this, and will likely be setting up day 2 by creating WIFOM and allowing Roden to live.

^towntell for not knowing that tho

I can see your point on it being a town tell, but could easily be scum faking that they didn't know.

AGAIN, MORE OF THE "I CAN SEE YOUR POINT" BUT IT COULD EASILLY BE "SCUM ....", like you're not willing to take hard stances on certain things which I think comes from scum+

Because like I said above. I'm not going to hold a read based on that. I was simply stating that you could have said what you did, for others to possibly believe it's a town tell and you would get a town read on it. I was taking the stance that I wasn't buying it, but I'm not going to town read you or scum read you based on your comment of day chat.

Kop who do u think is scum and why. Also, WHAT are you basing your reads off of then?

Titus - I don't like the feeling that she tried to buddy up to T3 early in the day. She hasn't really pushed anything, apart from a vote on myself and Salsa, which is the two easiest wagons to go on. And doesn't really have a case on me, other than my reads where she said it's likely all town, but that's her opinion, those are her feels, not mine. Both of her scum reads, and both of her votes, are based on others views, and based on where the flow is going. Yeah, she has actively tried to engage with the game, and tried to form reads, but I just feel that she is piggy backing of other peoples vibes.

SB9 - His constant discussion regarding the soft, rolefishing, he has only really pushed T3 as his scum read, and is happy to vote for Salsa for info even though he has a slight town lean on that slot. I'm sorry, info or no info, I wouldn't vote for a any sort of town lean just for info. Even if that is the way the day is heading, I won't be voting for a town lean of any sort. I just don't get that, I understand lynches provide info, but when you believe that slot is town, I'd personally prefer to try and provide the reasons why I believe I have that town lean whether it be small or big, and that a lynch is better elsewhere. Even if your not listened too, I just don't feel policy lynches. He scum reads T3 but hasn't really pushed his case out there for anyone to really buy into, and hasn't really pushed up anything else.

However, if Salsa ends up being scum, then great, but I'm not saying that I town read her slot right now.

So so far, I'm happy to vote within those 3 right now.

Like y'all are mad at Salsa because they're playing anti-town, but sb9 literally and openly scum claimed multiple times and has contributed zero content besides role fishing.

See -- that's the problem roden. We don't know if SF is doing this as scum. It's like we are forced to scumread them. Like ATP -- SB9 could have been that 3rd person I didn't include there that ISN'T pushing SF.

SF is also self-destructing for no real reason. She did the exact same thing in 2223 because no one was listening to her and she ended up being a mid game mis-elim. Voting her out Day 1 because of her play style is a poor reason to do so because if she flips town then we don't get anything out of it. Like what associatives do we get post flip? At most we could maybe scrutinize anyone who TMI'd she was town. If she flips scum then great, but I'm not confident that she will if she's that fine with putting herself at E-1.

Granted, I don't think she's gonna be too helpful going forward anyway. I just think we should always vote out the slot who's scum claiming and playing to their scum meta over someone who's self-destructing over moderate pressure. If wagoning sb9 is really this impossible today then fine, I'll go Salsa and eat crow if she flips red.

I'm not a fan of this entire self vote shit. I've seen it from town, and I've seen it from scum. It feels forced, and I'm not buying it. But if she has did this shit before, it could be the same again here. SF needs to give out a case on T3 or stop playing this shit, simply because it's hard to get beyond it.

[Kop]

Sadly I think everyone SRing me might be town (hockey, kop, galron and that's by order of certainty (we're leaving roden out of this so yall can ro3 me)). I wish we could lim Goofball but that doesn't seem like it's happening. I think my early solve with a 0% confidence is T3 NM and one of STD/titus

What happened to the slight town lean you had on SF but now NM, has gone to a scum read?

[Kop]

does anyone actually TR SF other than me . just seems people are hopping on this vote/are "fine" with this vote,, and I think that makes SF somewhat town

I have a SLIIIIIIIIIGHT townlean but I think it'll give reasonably good info so im fine with it

votesalsaplz

No we have roughly a quadrillion days left

bad reason to not vote imo

I don't sr them.... I think we can do better today

VOTE: Not_Mafia I dont wanna look at a replacement as AI butttttt

Yes I agree that you said we can do better. But I just don't understand in what world you would have been happy to lynch a town lean even if it was only slight. But I guess that's down to different gamestyles, so we probably won't agree with that point. I do agree with the info side of it, but I just don't think it would have provided a great deal, because the whole wagon feels more of a policy lynch.

And your vote on NM, I genuinely don't see your reasoning of why it went from a slight town lean, to a scum read. You even said it's NAI. (Even though I find playing with NM to be frustrating).

[Kop]

If you can give me a genuine reason to why you are actually scum reading NM, from the slight town lean that you had on SF, other than what has already been mentioned from others, I'd like to hear your reasons.

Me personally, I just find that you are sheeping, and I don't like that you are, considering you already mentioned about actually wanting time and we have that time, to find a better solution.

So what do you think we are going to achieve by eliminating NM?

[Kop]

You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him

I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.

Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.

Titus - I don't like the feeling that she tried to buddy up to T3 early in the day. She hasn't really pushed anything, apart from a vote on myself and Salsa, which is the two easiest wagons to go on. And doesn't really have a case on me, other than my reads where she said it's likely all town, but that's her opinion, those are her feels, not mine. Both of her scum reads, and both of her votes, are based on others views, and based on where the flow is going. Yeah, she has actively tried to engage with the game, and tried to form reads, but I just feel that she is piggy backing of other peoples vibes.

SB9 - His constant discussion regarding the soft, rolefishing, he has only really pushed T3 as his scum read, and is happy to vote for Salsa for info even though he has a slight town lean on that slot. I'm sorry, info or no info, I wouldn't vote for a any sort of town lean just for info. Even if that is the way the day is heading, I won't be voting for a town lean of any sort. I just don't get that, I understand lynches provide info, but when you believe that slot is town, I'd personally prefer to try and provide the reasons why I believe I have that town lean whether it be small or big, and that a lynch is better elsewhere. Even if your not listened too, I just don't feel policy lynches. He scum reads T3 but hasn't really pushed his case out there for anyone to really buy into, and hasn't really pushed up anything else.

However, if Salsa ends up being scum, then great, but I'm not saying that I town read her slot right now.

So so far, I'm happy to vote within those 3 right now.

Could you talk about how your scumreads progressed, and what teams you could see rn?

I felt easier with time regarding Gamma, and Grandpa hence why they are out of the last post you quoted, Titus still hasn't changed in regards to why she is still in there. I have put my points in there about why she is in there, and even her latest posts, it still hasn't changed.

As for teams, I don't generally talk about possible teams, at least until I've seen one scum flip, then I'll look for possible associations, teams etc. I don't like to take my focus away when trying to find scum to getting drawn looking for teams especially if one then flips green, that totally changes what my thoughts were.

[Kop]

stealing hammer from all of you

VOTE: Not_Mafia

If this flips town, I think im still good with my town core, might have to switch my null/leaning town reads but we'll see
If this flips scum, well i think generally everything stays the same but Kop gets +scum equity

I understand the point about scum equity, I wasn't stalling the lynch. I wanted to see the general progression of SB9 with his progression on NM. I already said that I didn't town read SF/NM.

[Kop]

I'm going to reread, and have a rethink.

I obviously thought SB9 was scum, but obviously not the case. Titus, I am still dubious over, but I need to reread over things and reevaluate.

[Kop]

I see no reason to out my result or lack thereof. It would do more harm than good most likely.

Why? Why would you withhold this information if you're town?

[Kop]

I see no reason to out my result or lack thereof. It would do more harm than good most likely.

Why? Why would you withhold this information if you're town?

Fuck this right here makes me think Galron could actually be town...

Through this question -- like you have to really think about it. Would 2 mafia hard bus a PR claim? Or would they try to make it credible? Like I did think Kop was just scum with Galron + 1 person if ratio is 10:3 but this question makes it seem they are against Galron. This implies Galron is town getting miscondemnned or now 2 mafia on the wagon.

I just read this before I voted.

This cancels out my logic on how they have more scum equity now because now there is ONE more reason to put galron for town!galron. giving galron 2 possible worlds in where they are town and 2 worlds where they are scum. It's now just a 50/50 atp, and it feels weird that town's highest poe's i believe (titus and kop atm) are both pushing galron here....

I never voted for Galron or even pushed him like you're implying I have, the question is also what Roden was also implying, why would you withhold information even if it was detrimental to the game.

[Kop]

I'm town macho enabler.

Look at the deaths of town. I die and all town with macho utilities will lose that ability.

[Kop]

Macho can't be used to enable a modifier I don't think.

I enable all roles that have macho in there ability. If I'm dead, they lose the macho ability of there role.

[Kop]

superbowl9,

Vanilla Townie

, was eliminated Night 1.

Day 2 deadline: (expired on 2021-09-22 07:59:05)

My sincere apologies. I seemed to have made a mod error while in a rush to open the game while heading to work. However, despite how long it took for me to realize, I believe that no major impact has been made in the game due to it, so I will resolve the error and continue the game.

Roden,

Town Macho Day 4 Innocent Child

, has been eliminated Night 1.

This is the only mod error that has happened in this game.
Votes will not be reset.

Doesn't work with vanilla townies.

Roden would have only been a town day 4 innocent child, if I wasn't alive.

[Kop]

VOTE: grandpa

I can vote this.

[Kop]

I am only going off what I was given, I didn't go research the role to see which way is best to play it. I didn't think it was a scum sided role since I thought it strengthens town roles in the game, without me they'd be weaker.