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[GrandpaMo]

Second!

VOTE: Grandpa

VOTE: HockeyFan Voting for the Koba alt right of the bat.

LOL what sob

that's actually funny

also hi to t3, hockey, dgb, titus, and roden

[GrandpaMo]

also hi to everyone I know (titus,

ari

, gamma i think?)

Wut?

are you thinking what im thinking? lol

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: gamma emerald

i'm probably going to scumread you i might as well just get it over with

This seems like a super bizarre reason to vote someone even for RVS? Like you're voting someone just because u srd them in past games which is ??

VOTE: HockeyFan

My gut doesn't like his FoS. Doubly so because no vote.

VOTE: HockeyFan

My gut doesn't like his FoS. Doubly so because no vote.

Its not a FOS? Imo, its impossible to have FOS'S within 5 posts. Im just voting Grandpa because its funny, nothing to do with his alligment

The FoS is post 6.

The FoS is post 6.

Oh. Well its weird to vote someone(even if its RVS) under the reason "I've sussed you in previous games, so let me sus you early this game and throw shade". Even if its RVS, Std saying rn makes it easy for him to push Gamma later in the game based on "you're always sus".

The FoS is post 6.

Oh. Well its weird to vote someone(even if its RVS) under the reason "I've sussed you in previous games, so let me sus you early this game and throw shade". Even if its RVS, Std saying rn makes it easy for him to push Gamma later in the game based on "you're always sus".

Then why play that card early or mention it at all? Scum would just hide it and be opportunistic most likely. Here, they're attempting to sort a hard slot early.

The FoS is post 6.

Oh. Well its weird to vote someone(even if its RVS) under the reason "I've sussed you in previous games, so let me sus you early this game and throw shade". Even if its RVS, Std saying rn makes it easy for him to push Gamma later in the game based on "you're always sus".

Then why play that card early or mention it at all? Scum would just hide it and be opportunistic most likely. Here, they're attempting to sort a hard slot early.

eh i feel like STD could do this as scum regardless. He doesnt have to hide anything when he rarely gets sussed anyways since std is a good scum player. Also, I dont know if they're really attempting to "sort it" with that specific post. I think they're just voting it so they

look

like they're sorting Gamma's alignment, cuz if you're voting someone under the premise of "I dont want to sus u in later game" dont really think thats sorting

this interaction is weird ngl

[GrandpaMo]

also hi to everyone I know (titus,

ari

, gamma i think?)

Wut?

are you thinking what im thinking? lol

What are you trying to do here? Superbowl already said they were thinking of another game. What are u trying to speculate lol? Ari isnt even in the game

oh didnt see --

but idk i was just gonna be like they could have been thinking about Salsabil Faria and ari is their nickname and they probably rolled scum with them? but then i realized thats probably just me tryna be cool and tryna gamesolve kek

[GrandpaMo]

forgot to say, but hi grandpa, hope u dont fuck wit me this game :^)

hope u dont either and dont fucking act scummy as fuck as town.

i hope ur townplay has improved to the better of MY reading towards u

[GrandpaMo]

this interaction is weird ngl

No you're wrong stay away from my partner

let me be specific, i wasn't talking anyone there specifically.

more to be specific, specifically talking about std, hockey, and titus specifically

[GrandpaMo]

PLAYING
THE
GAME

I'm part miller.

what?

[GrandpaMo]

forgot to say, but hi grandpa, hope u dont fuck wit me this game :^)

hope u dont either and dont fucking act scummy as fuck as town.

i hope ur townplay has improved to the better of MY reading towards u

No, I will always act scummy as town, dw that hasnt changed.

hm k.

well lets see if u act the same...

[GrandpaMo]

this interaction is weird ngl

No you're wrong stay away from my partner

actually...

analyzing more...

why did you assume i was talking bout one person?

[GrandpaMo]

this interaction is weird ngl

Hi. I'm weird.

we know

lol watch this be a breadcrumb

[GrandpaMo]

this interaction is weird ngl

No you're wrong stay away from my partner

let me be specific, i wasn't talking anyone there specifically.

more to be specific, specifically talking about std, hockey, and titus specifically

Lol ok. So what do u think of the peoples alignment who were involved in the "weird' interaction.

i dont wanna say just yet...

i want to see what other people think after me pointing out the interaction.

i see that std already made a decision to vote titus -- which is interesting lol

[GrandpaMo]

this interaction is weird ngl

Hi. I'm weird.

we know

lol watch this be a breadcrumb

breadcrumb of what

Lol Grandpa's never played with me as a PR so I guess that makes sense. He's legit never seen me invested in a game.

As I type this out...it makes me wonder why Grandpa would see a personality comment as a bread crumb thpugh.

lol because how u did it + along quoting t3's thing and claiming miller.

i was half joking dont take it serious

i thought it would be like a weird ass role idfk.

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

[GrandpaMo]

this interaction is weird ngl

Hi. I'm weird.

we know

lol watch this be a breadcrumb

breadcrumb of what

Lol Grandpa's never played with me as a PR so I guess that makes sense. He's legit never seen me invested in a game.

As I type this out...it makes me wonder why Grandpa would see a personality comment as a bread crumb thpugh.

I wonder this too, but its too ballsy of a play to just blatanly say this in thread as scum. Like grandpa had no reason to make that post so its super ??

you literally questioned the person saying why care so that implied u knew or sum smh

[GrandpaMo]

I've never played with Grandpa outside of a Newbie game before so this should be fun lol.

i thought i played with u like one time lol

[GrandpaMo]

this interaction is weird ngl

Hi. I'm weird.

we know

lol watch this be a breadcrumb

breadcrumb of what

Lol Grandpa's never played with me as a PR so I guess that makes sense. He's legit never seen me invested in a game.

As I type this out...it makes me wonder why Grandpa would see a personality comment as a bread crumb thpugh.

I wonder this too, but its too ballsy of a play to just blatanly say this in thread as scum. Like grandpa had no reason to make that post so its super ??

you literally questioned the person saying why care so that implied u knew or sum smh

???? how does that imply I know anything? From my pov, it felt like gamma was trying to rolefish smth/someone. I have no clue what you're saying

ur questioning me regarding why i said that was a bread crumb but you replied to gamma regarding rolefishing. if you know that gamma was tryna rolefish > then you my narrative is correct that you do believe it was a bread crumb. do you understand? or do you want me to simplify it easier for u? its basically like a logic gate.

[GrandpaMo]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

Uhhhhhh isn't that a good reason to NOT move on from this?

if we would be talking about the people on me, then that would mean we are moving from the subject about the PR to on about people who were on me during that interaction . so yea we would have already been moved on

[GrandpaMo]

I've never played with Grandpa outside of a Newbie game before so this should be fun lol.

I believe so. Grandpa might be a firecracker. I love unique personalities.

what does that even mean sob

[GrandpaMo]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

who is the scum who you think did this?

will talk about this in a later post when i catch up + giving the analysis on the "weird interaction" that i posted and promised to follow up on

[GrandpaMo]

T3 is probably town this game btw

Agreed. I'm feeling good about you, T3, Titus, and StD. And I guess Galron by association if the earlier meta read is correct.

despite me liking u, i have to say i hard disagree on this town circle -- and its a bad one here.

i feel like hockey and titus are never alligned here :/

[GrandpaMo]

ok galron is town for coming into the game and pressuring someone who hasn't had spotlight -- usually comes from town perspective to pressure like that

still null on t3.

[GrandpaMo]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

[GrandpaMo]

you ask a lot of questions

they do and they are acting like me in like my beginning newbie games

[GrandpaMo]

ur questioning me regarding why i said that was a bread crumb but you replied to gamma regarding rolefishing. if you know that gamma was tryna rolefish > then you my narrative is correct that you do believe it was a bread crumb. do you understand? or do you want me to simplify it easier for u? its basically like a logic gate.

lol? I mean you're just assuming that just because I question soemoen else on why THEY know/want to know the "breadcrumb" and why THEY care doesnt mean i think its a breadcrumb? Me not seeing the "breadcrumb" and me questioning someone on someone whos fishing for that breadcrumb can both be true

eh its usually means it. im not arguing with you anymore regarding this -- i swear this SHIT HAPPENED IM GETTING DEJA VU LOL

WE WERE LITERALLYT BOTH TVT TUNNELING EACH OTHER FOR PETTY SHIT LOL

[GrandpaMo]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

whats the point of roden saying that? same answer.

what makes you SO offended about this post that you have to reply and make a whole quote about it and talk about it. i know roden and i have played roden. i havent formally interacted with roden other than this.

[GrandpaMo]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

whats the point of roden saying that? same answer.

what makes you SO offended about this post that you have to reply and make a whole quote about it and talk about it. i know roden and i have played roden. i havent formally interacted with roden other than this.

[GrandpaMo]

i felt he was scummy

i didn't feel he was scummy anymore

And really this is something I'd expect from Pooky or Not Mafia or someone.

LOL

so true

or t3

[GrandpaMo]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

whats the point of roden saying that? same answer.

what makes you SO offended about this post that you have to reply and make a whole quote about it and talk about it. i know roden and i have played roden. i havent formally interacted with roden other than this.

Because I know in like 1-2 days you're just gonna sheep the consenous read on Roden, you're setting it up, ik that. these blanket reads dont really hold of much value to me. Roden doing this is also bad, never said it was good. Im aware i didnt call him out on it earlier, but I am now B)(+i think rodens a slight TL rn)

i havent even read roden yet...? what are you on about. u ok hockey?

[GrandpaMo]

ok galron is town for coming into the game and pressuring someone who hasn't had spotlight -- usually comes from town perspective to pressure like that

still null on t3.

Wait. Who are you talking about?

T3.

[GrandpaMo]

ok galron is town for coming into the game and pressuring someone who hasn't had spotlight -- usually comes from town perspective to pressure like that

still null on t3.

Wait. Who are you talking about?

T3.

no offense, but a lil dumb question

[GrandpaMo]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

who is the scum who you think did this?

will talk about this in a later post when i catch up + giving the analysis on the "weird interaction" that i posted and promised to follow up on

okayyyyy

i actually want to talk to you for a bit. you have aksed multiple question but never followed up with anything. where do you stand now? what did you gather from the input of u asking people all these questions?

[GrandpaMo]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

whats the point of roden saying that? same answer.

what makes you SO offended about this post that you have to reply and make a whole quote about it and talk about it. i know roden and i have played roden. i havent formally interacted with roden other than this.

Because I know in like 1-2 days you're just gonna sheep the consenous read on Roden, you're setting it up, ik that. these blanket reads dont really hold of much value to me. Roden doing this is also bad, never said it was good. Im aware i didnt call him out on it earlier, but I am now B)(+i think rodens a slight TL rn)

i havent even read roden yet...? what are you on about. u ok hockey?

Why is it that everytime we interact, its over some petty shit smh.

Anyways, my TRs atm are T3,Galron,superbowl and STD. I think that towncore is pretty good for now? T3 read is most likely to change ftr

thatmakes us both town then lol

also why is t3 town in ur eyes btw

[GrandpaMo]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

whats the point of roden saying that? same answer.

what makes you SO offended about this post that you have to reply and make a whole quote about it and talk about it. i know roden and i have played roden. i havent formally interacted with roden other than this.

Because I know in like 1-2 days you're just gonna sheep the consenous read on Roden, you're setting it up, ik that. these blanket reads dont really hold of much value to me. Roden doing this is also bad, never said it was good. Im aware i didnt call him out on it earlier, but I am now B)(+i think rodens a slight TL rn)

i havent even read roden yet...? what are you on about. u ok hockey?

Why is it that everytime we interact, its over some petty shit smh.

Anyways, my TRs atm are T3,Galron,superbowl and STD. I think that towncore is pretty good for now? T3 read is most likely to change ftr

thatmakes us both town then lol

also why is t3 town in ur eyes btw

its also because u push weird narratives ngl. u do that a lot as town and why many ppl scumread u and push day 1. i saw scum taking advtange of u in that one game we were together.

[GrandpaMo]

T3 is probably town this game btw

Agreed. I'm feeling good about you, T3, Titus, and StD. And I guess Galron by association if the earlier meta read is correct.

despite me liking u, i have to say i hard disagree on this town circle -- and its a bad one here.

i feel like hockey and titus are never alligned here :/

okay; why is hockey town then?

answer my question first before you go on to ask 5 other questions.

i already said why hockey was town. they are playing close to their town meta. they are acting again tstbs, where they engage in a conversation with me point out a weird narrative and fight it till death. hockey however could have improved their scumplay and i wouldnt be suprised if they did this to trick me in thinking they are town because they know if i argue with them i will eventually call them tstbs which would be an amazing play on hockeys part.

[GrandpaMo]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

who is the scum who you think did this?

will talk about this in a later post when i catch up + giving the analysis on the "weird interaction" that i posted and promised to follow up on

T3 is probably town this game btw

Agreed. I'm feeling good about you, T3, Titus, and StD. And I guess Galron by association if the earlier meta read is correct.

despite me liking u, i have to say i hard disagree on this town circle -- and its a bad one here.

i feel like hockey and titus are never alligned here :/

that’s one hell of a jump in your catch up
why didn’t anything in the near-100 post gap interest you?

i signaled that there was scum between them a while back when roden questioned me or sum.

[GrandpaMo]

ur questioning me regarding why i said that was a bread crumb but you replied to gamma regarding rolefishing. if you know that gamma was tryna rolefish > then you my narrative is correct that you do believe it was a bread crumb. do you understand? or do you want me to simplify it easier for u? its basically like a logic gate.

uh wut
I don’t feel like asking what someone saw is entirely rolefishing unless it turns out they’re like informed of something, and I’ve seen someone in this game rn straight up bluff informed before, so I feel like that’s not even a concern.

im not saying u are . unless u are talking bout hockey cuz thats what hockey thinks u are doing i believe

[GrandpaMo]

thatmakes us both town then lol

also why is t3 town in ur eyes btw

Using meta is LAME tho. Like disregarding the fact that this happend in last game we played, you've done nothing this game which has made me go "oh hey look hes town". T3 towncase is on 189

its also because u push weird narratives ngl. u do that a lot as town and why many ppl scumread u and push day 1. i saw scum taking advtange of u in that one game we were together.

Fair. but, are you just pocketing me here? smh

i mean true, you as well but im just townleaning for the sake of not having to frustrate my self. and no im not pocketing you, because if i were be pocketing you, i would have just not gave that narrative i gave eearlier on you doing a big brain play as scum.

[GrandpaMo]

ur questioning me regarding why i said that was a bread crumb but you replied to gamma regarding rolefishing. if you know that gamma was tryna rolefish > then you my narrative is correct that you do believe it was a bread crumb. do you understand? or do you want me to simplify it easier for u? its basically like a logic gate.

lol? I mean you're just assuming that just because I question soemoen else on why THEY know/want to know the "breadcrumb" and why THEY care doesnt mean i think its a breadcrumb? Me not seeing the "breadcrumb" and me questioning someone on someone whos fishing for that breadcrumb can both be true

I don’t think I’d need to ask if there was an actual breadcrumb
I moreso asked because I didn’t see it and scum are generally the ones who’d look out for them so I wanted to put GMo on the spot

if you didn't see it. and people have claimed they haven't either. and i said its a breadcrumb, then wouldn't that make me town? since what titus said not a breadcrumb from ur pov?

[GrandpaMo]

also i already gave my justification on that earlier ^.

AGain please gamma answer my questionnnn plss

[GrandpaMo]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

who is the scum who you think did this?

will talk about this in a later post when i catch up + giving the analysis on the "weird interaction" that i posted and promised to follow up on

okayyyyy

i actually want to talk to you for a bit. you have aksed multiple question but never followed up with anything. where do you stand now? what did you gather from the input of u asking people all these questions?

[GrandpaMo]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

who is the scum who you think did this?

will talk about this in a later post when i catch up + giving the analysis on the "weird interaction" that i posted and promised to follow up on

okayyyyy

i actually want to talk to you for a bit. you have aksed multiple question but never followed up with anything. where do you stand now? what did you gather from the input of u asking people all these questions?

I ask questions because I’m naturally inquisitive, and tbh if you wanna talk about useless questioning I think Hockey is a worse case than me rn
btw I dragged out the “okay” because my initial reaction to that post was “geez is reading the thread that much of a task for you?”.

uh u still havent answered my question. im just curious on what did you get out of your question. i understand you are naturally inquisitive, but instead of just assuming im bashing you for asking useless question, why don't you help me out what info you are gathering?

[GrandpaMo]

Town sb9:
Very assertive
Switches between slight joking and hyperseriousness
Engages with the thread
Early game, will give unexplained reads but as the game progresses his reads will develop more
Scum sb9:
Less assertive
Fluffs and jokes around a lot, usually never hyperserious
Engages much less with the thread and usually doesn't respond to people's posts
Reads are mostly unexplained

Thanks for the guide on how to fool town for the rest of the game!

lol its funny because t3 just pasted his meta and replaced his name with ur name

[GrandpaMo]

I kinda agree with this tbh.

how do u agree on a meta read when u havent even played wit me

[GrandpaMo]

Who's scum grandpa?

im writing my analysis rn which has my scum . also its t3 proof so it means t3 can read it

[GrandpaMo]

I kinda agree with this tbh.

how do u agree on a meta read when u havent even played wit me

I was agreeing with the point, that you could easily shape yourself to be on either side the consensus comes too. I mean you said that you could be able to form a read in 1-2 days, but if Roden becomes widely scum read, you could easily agree with that consensus and say yeah he's scum, I've got my read.

The same also could be said about Roden when he said the same thing about you.

ah thats makes more sense. i just thought hockey saying that was referring to my meta about roden someway? i was confused because roden usually gets townread not scumread by me and by others, but then i realized that could happen regardless of meta.

[GrandpaMo]

uh sorry btw i fell asleep yesterday

[GrandpaMo]

Okay regarding my post 47

On I called the interaction between Hockey pressuring StD and Titus coming out of the woodworks, weird. Which I still believe so.

Hockey does his random petty confused push on StD's normal RVS vote.

Then Titus votes Hockey because of the random petty confused push on StD's normal RVS vote.

Hockey gets it wrong, then gets corrected.

Hockey then explains that StD's weird narrative, even if RVS, is weird because he is setting up a push later on the RVS vote, which to me sounds like a joke.

**Thoughts**: Hockeyfan probably is just misguided here and believes StD's vote is more of a scumvote rather than a friendly RVS vote due to the nature of how he did it. However, if you look at StD's progression on Hockey's slot, they scumread them then townread them, that implies hockey would continue to push this slot despite pressure. Looking at it from a 3rd person POV, Titus looks like they are taking advantage of the sitatuion to scumread Hockey for that exact reason.

Post 15, explains that.

Hockeyfan than just over speculates on the RVS vote on post 17.

That is why it's weird. One is either scum pushing and over reaching; or just misguided. Or One is taking advantage of Hockey into pushing that narrative; whileist defending StD.

i signal this read in 220 -- this is where i talk to gamma regarding me catching up on the posts cuz that is the only thing ive gotten, or shit has been bibble babble. also in 221. where i null read t3 and townread galron.

since im here

i will explain why gamma could be scum -- look at our interaction on page 11-12. they just continue to ignore my question, then when i pressure them, they finally respond they dont have anything with it because i havent answered theirs? like i literally explain in my question i was talking bout all the other questions, atp i wasn't scumreading them, but looking back their reaction looks bad ngl

[GrandpaMo]

I liked content from 445, plus nothing feels off about your tonal/vibes rn

Marci isn’t screaming scum but she feels somewhat different from OMB

Marci playing similar to how she did in 2223 makes me feel better about her questioning.

I’ll trust u on this

I liked content from 445, plus nothing feels off about your tonal/vibes rn

Marci isn’t screaming scum but she feels somewhat different from OMB

different how

You feel a little less engaged ig

This sequence is towny?

how?

[GrandpaMo]

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

what... im learning to be more confident in normals and i get this quote like i thought me scumreading one between titus/hockey and pushing gamma

the same could be said about you -- you only realize the tells when people pressure you. im playing more similarly to the charge me up open game where i was town and everybody townreads me then eventually scumreads me then at the end im UTR'd thats one of my town meta that or scumread at first then townread .

roden u should play more wit me

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: gamma emerald

i'm probably going to scumread you i might as well just get it over with

This seems like a super bizarre reason to vote someone even for RVS? Like you're voting someone just because u srd them in past games which is ??

wait hockey.

if u are thinking bout what im thinking do you think you would be able to tell me the team by just pointing out std for it. ik im going back, but this is really important in my gamesolve -- and i have to make sure im not fucking stupid

[GrandpaMo]

Low key I kinda don't scum read anyone right now. This feels like a really safe game.

lol what?

[GrandpaMo]

Why are you back at post 6

because i want to see something. just shhhh


i wanna see what hockey says then i put that in my like head + what i currently have. if its right, then sheesh if not then oh well

[GrandpaMo]

gamma town.

Hockey scum.

Voting lurksack for now.

VOTE: Kop

watch kop be that 3rd maf that everyone is gonna eventually have to bus due to inactivity

[GrandpaMo]

Who's scum grandpa?

im writing my analysis rn which has my scum . also its t3 proof so it means t3 can read it

Your recent wall wasn't this was it? Still waiting

does it have my scum ? yes

[GrandpaMo]

so it was just to point out everyone's question on why that interaction was weird

[GrandpaMo]

???? what does this mean.

I was tryna see if we were thinking the same thing when you replied to that. Because I am thinking about a narrative right now -- and you could be thinking of the same exasct narrative. And I knwo I am town, and if we are thinking about the same thing -- that could lead us to you being town having the same intuitive thought as me.

[GrandpaMo]

I kinda wanna give SF a day because I miselim’d her D1 as scum in a previous game for similar play I think
link for those who want to see what I mean

i think this is scum.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa, who is your mason buddy?

DGB. LOL

[GrandpaMo]

You wanna back that up?

I already have brought a scumcase on you and you have continued to act like you have contributed but you haven't done shit in this game. I am tired of you just being here and being townread for no fucking reason. Excuse my language.

I led it slide the first time where you have deflected me multiple times, but after that after you continue to ignore, it got annoying to the point where it isn't in town's wincon to continue the narrative / discussion > that makes you scum.

Just look at your own ISO, all you have done is nothing but ask questions (never follow up on them), sheep other people's read, and just restate other people's thoughts.

Also, where I voted you is a scummy quote, you saying you want to give SF a day comes froma scum mindset, because you have TMI they could be town, and will later on go with the flow on wether town scumreads him or townreads him. If town townreads him, you will townread him and get the credit that easily, if town scumreads him, you will scumread him and possibly miscondemn them; basically you are setting up this miscondemn.

You haven't pushed anyone; nor have played aggressive and this is through your town meta -- I have spectated some games, and you aren't acting completely how you would.

Look at post 701, 702, 703, then look at post 755, that nature where I talked about earlier -- just further confirms that. Just also look at post 519; never providing content but continues to sheep Hockeyfan here. The progression from 512 - 513. Come on man, these are just a few examples. ISO them, and you will find a LOT more. I am suprised NO ONE has spoke on about this lame playstyle.

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: GrandpaMo
Idk which games you meta’ed but I think this is BS regardless

Also the reason I haven’t pushed as hard this game is because my effort hasn’t felt like it’s been needed here, both in terms of how this game and my other games are going

LOL -- you literally contradict your statement here.

You OMGUS me. Then say my meta read is BS -- I can give you an analysis on those games if youd like lmfao, so there is no need to lie!

2nd -- The way you contradict is by saying "I haven't pushed as hard this game" you admitted that you have been using effort, this usually comes from someone who does effort most of the time, then continue to say "hasn't felt like it's been needed here", a wack logic to undermine that statement. Actually scumread me, don't scumnread me because I scumread me. If you are town, you don't look like town in my perspective. Prove to me you are town, unless I have to believe you are scum. Bad reaction.

[GrandpaMo]

lol i fell asleep

[GrandpaMo]

You wanna back that up?

I already have brought a scumcase on you and you have continued to act like you have contributed but you haven't done shit in this game. I am tired of you just being here and being townread for no fucking reason. Excuse my language.

I led it slide the first time where you have deflected me multiple times, but after that after you continue to ignore, it got annoying to the point where it isn't in town's wincon to continue the narrative / discussion > that makes you scum.

Just look at your own ISO, all you have done is nothing but ask questions (never follow up on them), sheep other people's read, and just restate other people's thoughts.

Also, where I voted you is a scummy quote, you saying you want to give SF a day comes froma scum mindset, because you have TMI they could be town, and will later on go with the flow on wether town scumreads him or townreads him. If town townreads him, you will townread him and get the credit that easily, if town scumreads him, you will scumread him and possibly miscondemn them; basically you are setting up this miscondemn.

You haven't pushed anyone; nor have played aggressive and this is through your town meta -- I have spectated some games, and you aren't acting completely how you would.

Look at post 701, 702, 703, then look at post 755, that nature where I talked about earlier -- just further confirms that. Just also look at post 519; never providing content but continues to sheep Hockeyfan here. The progression from 512 - 513. Come on man, these are just a few examples. ISO them, and you will find a LOT more. I am suprised NO ONE has spoke on about this lame playstyle.

This is grossly misrepresenting Gamma's posts into 'bad progression', specifically his comment about 512-513.
VOTE: Grandpa

??? are you scum this game lol, are you serious?

[GrandpaMo]

Also Grandpa is switching from joking around but his walls are very serious and have like... actual grammar which suggests he's being careful with what he says.

???? I LITERALLY DID THAT IN A GAME AS TOWN WITH U LOL

and someone litearlly pointed it out.

and then u decided to either townread me for it i believe, but now you are scumreading me for it?

[GrandpaMo]

Yup I think we got a ThorHead-ing scum on our hands in GMo

ThorHead?

A user named Thor665 once tried to miselim me as scum with a meta case so half-baked I use his name to refer to similar situations

its not even a meta case. 1/3 of it is meta.

[GrandpaMo]

Like, I do this sort of cheerleader act sometimes when I don’t feel like taking the wheel
That’s what I’ve been doing this game and unless your spectating managed to miss that entirely I feel like you should get that

One step ahead of ya lmao

Although to actually respond to that last post, I think you should have presented those games to start with
As for why my effort doesn’t feel needed, it seems easy enough to sort a good chunk of people as town just by reading their posts and poking them here and there

But unless you actually substantiate that meta read and it doesn’t look as bunk as it felt when you announced it I feel like I have nothing to prove here

Alright, listen up. I don't bring up meta to a discussion when there is no reason to look at it or just blantly lie because ANYONE can just look and see if I am lying or telling the truth.

I will give you one game I spectated, that can give you a hint at this playstyle, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28404

This is Newbie 2074, look at the ISO -- same "naturally acquisitive" playstyle where they ask questions and never follow up anything. They meme around and act like their cheerleader playstyle. You also sheeped people in that game just like you did. For example Val89 in post 400 in that game.

So stop contradicting. Stop bringing up LAME excuses just to cover your ass. All you have is that "Oh I coast, and Grandpa pushing me for coasting is scum".

I love how no one is focusing on this interaction -- that probably just means that implies one scum in our interaction and scum wants to give you attention in this case, since you would be scum in my POV (conf bias).

Okay, maybe you could say I could be nitpicking on a replacement game because yes you did replace in that game. Let us look at different games where you weren't replaced.

You do the same thing in this themed normal I believe, Sitatuion Normal. You rolled scum in this game. Look at this ISO - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28404

Exact same thing. Look at post 176, with the multiple questions as well. Post 246, the sheeping. Post 617, sounds like a question that you have brought up in similar discussion, the same type of question that was used in my interaction with Gamma. They seem confused, but not in a genuine confusion. Compare that post in that game vs the post in this game, 157. There is a lot of similarities between this iso and that game's ISO.

Okay. Want me to continue? Do you think I bluntly did not check the meta?

I obviously fucking did, and if you want to discredit me, do it right. You continue just to deflect my main points on me. And you have nothing on me. You STILL cannot scum case. Fucking do it, I DARE YOU. DO IT, you scum. (holy fuck, I am finally taking advice of being confident, and I feel so good right now that gamma could be scum).

Now this is only 1/3 of why you are scum, I already provided 2/3 of the scumcase in my other quote where T3 says I misrepresented it with no explanation.

** I wrote this before I fell asleep**

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Grandpa

He's walling.

Yep.

nah when im scum i try hard kek


and write more than walls -- this is nothing compared to my scum game

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Gamma

This slot is theater-ing somebody but I'm not sure who yet. I don't think the third scum isn't interacting with Gamma at all.

Hard disagree, why do you think this

Actually upon ISO diving I think I'm just wrong. I didn't like his interactions with Grandpa and Hockey, but I think it's more than I need those two slots to simmer more instead. They both feel kinda townie but I keep going back and forth on them, and it may be that they're just the ones being weird with Gamma.

UNVOTE:

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

where do they feel cautious

They play like T3 (fake claiming and flashy plays) but openly use scum tactics when town and usually get mis-elim'd. He's being very careful not to do any of that and isn't really interacting with that many people.

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

Me, especially because you went from saying scum is passive to suggesting the one player who's actually had a confrontation

I said majority scum is passive, and Grandpa's play so far has been relatively passive anyway.

VOTE: Grandpa

He's walling.

also this is funny to look at it lol

[GrandpaMo]

I’m not even going to engage that except to say Situation Room is not comparable to here
It’s also convenient you list 2 scum games when I was winding up to delivery a whooping based on bad interpretation of my town games

Lol k.

U ignore the first game.

Ur excuse for the 2 other games, idek what that means, i listed 2 scum games, and you are playing similarly to this game. you still have not justified anything, and it just furthering my conf bias. if ur town ur still not making me believe you are town. u are just stuck with an omgus on me thinking im scum.

[GrandpaMo]

ok looking back at the votes. im at e-3

1 is voting me; townread me in the beginning due to my meta, but now is scumreading me because of my meta? (t3)

2 is voting me; thinks im pocketing them, not playing in my aggressive nature. (hockey)

3 is voting me; randomly votes, provides no explanation, (i will assume they are reading me scummy out of the interaction with gamma) (roden)

4 is voting me; omgus me, thinks im scum for pushing them

hm... im trying to analyze this. but its hard having conf bias gamma as scum. i still do townlean hockey just for the consistency / follow up. i dont know how to read roden / t3 just yet. im waitng on answers on my questions

[GrandpaMo]

I’m not even going to engage that except to say Situation Room is not comparable to here
It’s also convenient you list 2 scum games when I was winding up to delivery a whooping based on bad interpretation of my town games

Lol k.

U ignore the first game.

Ur excuse for the 2 other games, idek what that means, i listed 2 scum games, and you are playing similarly to this game. you still have not justified anything, and it just furthering my conf bias. if ur town ur still not making me believe you are town. u are just stuck with an omgus on me thinking im scum.

Idc
You’ve been a suspect for me since you started on this path of shading my questioning, the meta BS just cemented the bad vibes

LOL WTF. u still CONTINUE to deflect the conversation and FINALLY scumread me of a line of reasoning. call me scum because me asking ur weird questioning. do you want to know why i was asking? because ive seen you do this on ur scumgames. i quoted proof, so u cant call bs.

also u never followed up on any of ur questions. what town asks questions to ppl and never following up on them.

[GrandpaMo]

I love how no one is focusing on this interaction -- that probably just means that implies one scum in our interaction and scum wants to give you attention in this case, since you would be scum in my POV (conf bias).

Smh ive been saying u guys are opposite alligments for a bit now. Fyi, I think you're the scum between the 2 but could be wrong

ur literally the only one.

[GrandpaMo]

i think grandpamo looks better from it, but i dont necessarily think gammas scum tbh.

honestly. im REALLY trying to see a world where gamma is town btw.

like if its not obvious, im giving gamma to give me a chance to prove to her that they are town, but they havent like fucking jusfitied anything!!!! and its kinda frustrating ((

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: grandpamo

cool 5th vote; same as roden.

can u explain why im scum?

[GrandpaMo]

i think grandpamo looks better from it, but i dont necessarily think gammas scum tbh.

honestly. im REALLY trying to see a world where gamma is town btw.

like if its not obvious, im giving gamma to give me a chance to prove to her that they are town, but they havent like fucking jusfitied anything!!!! and its kinda frustrating ((

i cant really towncase him to help, so sorry
its just like, vibes right now, but its not something im too confident in the grand scheme of things.

i do see how frustrated you are though, and thats what feels town in you. you came up with a meta case, which you didn't really need to do in

this

game as scum, since you could prob just slide by a bit longer since nobody else is really doing anything, or could've just as well came up with a "i was busy uwu im so sorry guys" sort of excuse. its an awful lot of effort for scum to make. you stuck out your neck for reason.

towncase gamma? cuz i can't either. lol . vibes is just a wack reason to townread someone.

its not even a meta case, like that was just 1/3 of it and then when gamma said i was lying or sum, i provided the proof which turned it to a meta case. i could have just scumread hockey and went on with a hockey miscondemn, u are right on that. or maybe just scumread SF / or even titus. i already had a scumlean on gamma when they started not answering my questions and just went on about them "naturally acquistive" thats when i started looking at their past scum games and saw they were acitng the same way by asking those questions, problem is no one was pressuring them those games really. so im taking advice of a fellow person who told me in a past forum game to be confident in my reads, hockey can vouch for that -- and im being confident right now. im kinda paranoid rn because i could just be wrong, but i DONT want to be thats the problem, i just wanna fucking finally game and get a read right. its hard to do so. thats why i asked people in the last game what makes a read right -- and they said come to a consensus. or just don't.

[GrandpaMo]

Also Grandpa is switching from joking around but his walls are very serious and have like... actual grammar which suggests he's being careful with what he says.

???? I LITERALLY DID THAT IN A GAME AS TOWN WITH U LOL

and someone litearlly pointed it out.

and then u decided to either townread me for it i believe, but now you are scumreading me for it?

uh
q-q when?

idk where i might be mistaking u for another person but...

i did it in a game in someone pointed it out to me that my deamnor changed , i can search the game for it if u want it

actually thinkig bout it, it might have been my first newbie game.

[GrandpaMo]

it's where the wind took me

cool. lol this is annoying.

:/

does anyone ACTUALLY have a scumcase on me?

[GrandpaMo]

dont think grandpamos scum tbh.

i think grandpamo looks better from it, but i dont necessarily think gammas scum tbh.

honestly. im REALLY trying to see a world where gamma is town btw.

like if its not obvious, im giving gamma to give me a chance to prove to her that they are town, but they havent like fucking jusfitied anything!!!! and its kinda frustrating ((

i cant really towncase him to help, so sorry
its just like, vibes right now, but its not something im too confident in the grand scheme of things.

i do see how frustrated you are though, and thats what feels town in you. you came up with a meta case, which you didn't really need to do in

this

game as scum, since you could prob just slide by a bit longer since nobody else is really doing anything, or could've just as well came up with a "i was busy uwu im so sorry guys" sort of excuse. its an awful lot of effort for scum to make. you stuck out your neck for reason.

You should see Open 810.

there is a difference tho. u should know this. in open 810 i defended my team mate and came up with these long ass wall posts on why this person was scum and why this person was town. I did this as a last minute pivot. no one pivoted tho, so i defended my mafia and try to pivot onto my mafia person.

look at that iso vs this see the differences.

[GrandpaMo]

dont think grandpamos scum tbh.

i think grandpamo looks better from it, but i dont necessarily think gammas scum tbh.

honestly. im REALLY trying to see a world where gamma is town btw.

like if its not obvious, im giving gamma to give me a chance to prove to her that they are town, but they havent like fucking jusfitied anything!!!! and its kinda frustrating ((

i cant really towncase him to help, so sorry
its just like, vibes right now, but its not something im too confident in the grand scheme of things.

i do see how frustrated you are though, and thats what feels town in you. you came up with a meta case, which you didn't really need to do in

this

game as scum, since you could prob just slide by a bit longer since nobody else is really doing anything, or could've just as well came up with a "i was busy uwu im so sorry guys" sort of excuse. its an awful lot of effort for scum to make. you stuck out your neck for reason.

You should see Open 810.

there is a difference tho. u should know this. in open 810 i defended my team mate and came up with these long ass wall posts on why this person was scum and why this person was town. I did this as a last minute pivot. no one pivoted tho, so i defended my mafia and try to pivot onto my mafia person.

look at that iso vs this see the differences.

in this game, i was just bringing my scumcase on someone just like i do on all my town games + giving soft reads before + after. gave my reads on hockey, std, and titus before that scumcase

[GrandpaMo]

I’m not even going to engage that except to say Situation Room is not comparable to here
It’s also convenient you list 2 scum games when I was winding up to delivery a whooping based on bad interpretation of my town games

Lol k.

U ignore the first game.

Ur excuse for the 2 other games, idek what that means, i listed 2 scum games, and you are playing similarly to this game. you still have not justified anything, and it just furthering my conf bias. if ur town ur still not making me believe you are town. u are just stuck with an omgus on me thinking im scum.

Idc
You’ve been a suspect for me since you started on this path of shading my questioning, the meta BS just cemented the bad vibes

LOL WTF. u still CONTINUE to deflect the conversation and FINALLY scumread me of a line of reasoning. call me scum because me asking ur weird questioning. do you want to know why i was asking? because ive seen you do this on ur scumgames. i quoted proof, so u cant call bs.

also u never followed up on any of ur questions. what town asks questions to ppl and never following up on them.

I feel like I’ve followed up but you still beat the same dead horse that I’ve stated has only ever come up when I’ve been town, and I actually followed up a question I asked you and you consistently dodged it so you’re just driving the nail even further into your coffin with that crap
That’s why I’m not engaging you now, it’s just more shit you’re throwing out to act like you’re solving when you’re not
If you legit think I’m scum, why are you debating it with me? The smart thing would be to present the logic to others, but instead you’re trying to get me to concede that you have a point.
I had realized a difference between this game and Newbie 2074 as well and wasn’t sure if a good time to bring it up would arrive but this sure as hell is one. I actually was not passive AT ALL in Newbie 2074, instead I tried to start fires by fueling conflicts. The reason why it’s fitting to mention it here is you’re playing the same way I did there, especially D1: locking onto a slot and trying to pummel it into submission.

okay listen up. there is times where you have asked and never followed up i will lsit examples right now. so do NOT manipulate the context because that is annoying.

post 92, you asking me a question.
post 163
post 238
post 243, i ask you a question on why you are asking all these question
post 261, this is where you admit that you are asking because you are naturally inquistive, you basically admit that there is no reason for follow up however you sayright now that you have followed up -- this IMMEDIATLY contradicts your point here.
post 281, you claim that you have followed up on most of the questions you have asked (which you have not) then procede to say that i havent answered a question.

if you are talking about 252, i already answered it in 254, then you say you didnt say anything about signlaing but i was saying that is what i was catching up through -- the last 100 posts, was talking about what i said, that is why i ignored you on post 267, because it was just useleess to reply at that point.

then 346, you scumread hockey for doing the same thing you have been doing -- hypocrite yikes
post 402 -- you once again ADMIT to asking pointless questions???

its kinda annoying to keep pushing this because no one is listening to me, and you continue to accept the fact that you have contradicted multiple times in your iso

2nd point -- i literally fucking do that, and talk to others about it and even bring up a world where you are town. i have said multiple times where i hinted at a possible time where i could be tunneling you as town -- this happened in my first newbie game with JV, i kept tunneling them because i had conf bias as scum. i advise you to right now step back and look at the bigger picture. you only scumread me because you are scared. someone has done this before as scum to u and meta read you and pushed you as scum; thats why you are scumreading me. go ahead admit it. if you think i am scum, present the reasons why im scum, and list what is my scum motive for doing so? if you think i am town, present the reasons why im town and list what is my town motive for doing so? if i was scum, i would have dropped this convo ignored you and just hop on the kop wagon. but since everybody townreads you, i want my town to look at you again for the continuity of lying and manipulating.

I do want to give u credit because U FINALLY respond to me in a good way, you finally bring up the justification on your meta!! and that is so not true! i dont care if people vote you ! i do not care at all -- its just i dont want people to intantly townread you because they are scared of you. im just playing such a weak game in the couple last games, and i just feel like being confident rn.

i will ignore you right now -- because if you are just town -- you are playing bad, sorry not sorry, and no one sees that lol. you haven't contributed anything to town's wincon and you just look like you will continue to sheep the majority.

[GrandpaMo]

I agree with kop's point on roden.
We yeet Salsa.

i think you are town. i just realized a town tell of yours -- you're usually inconsistent AF when town. your reads all over the place vs who you want to lim.

[GrandpaMo]

Oof, this was not a good response.

Scum actually don't have the full info advantage here. There is a very good reason I didn't full claim and your reasoning for trying to make me full claim is weak and not coming from a townie mindset. Only scum benefit from PR claims, and you trying to force one makes you look like you're trying to open wolf this game. The role fishing here is obvious and I'm not sure how you could ever justify it.

The worst part about this is that I'm not even on the chopping block here yet you're acting like I'm at E-1 and claiming to save myself. I'm offering info because town PRs absolutely need to be wary and try not to crumb, since I'm fairly certain scum can tear through them this time around.

If you really think that softing OUT OF NOWHERE D1 has no consequences…. Idk what to tell you.

Cat’s out of the bag that you’re a PR at this point, sorry wasn’t me who did it it was you. Think of it this way: if you were town informed you’d just instantly spill your info to town right?

To call me openly telling you to claim TOMORROW after a soft a rolefish… i really don’t understand what your aim is if you actually are town. Do you expect to survive multiple nights without a protective???

Of course it makes sense if you’re scum trying to delay getting exposed, but what’s the town thought process here? Genuinely confused

I didn't say it had no consequences? I decided giving info was more important.

I didn't instantly give my info because I didn't want the start of the game to revolve around it.

I expect to survive because you've decided to make this a bigger deal than it should be. I don't want a protective role on me though.

At what point was I getting "exposed" lol? Because I didn't instantly interrogate everyone? I was at work my dude, I didn't have the time to wall post and ISO dive. Once I had time, you decided you needed to take it all up instead.

If you think it's become such a big deal why are you still arguing with me about it? If you really wanted to keep it low profile how about wait until tomorrow to say anything since I'm proposing we just let you be today??? My suggestion is a very standard strategy.
If you thought we weren't going to be talking about you having additional information you were sorely mistaken. You can't just say something like that in this game and not expect a big reaction - that's what I mean by there are consequences.
**IF** you're scum you will want to delay a claim as long as possible was my point about getting exposed, sorry if that wasn't clear.

I'm arguing about it because the way you're playing this suggests you're either open wolfing, which you never denied, or you're bad town. At this point it's really looking like you're just scum trying to weigh whether or not to NK me tonight. You're repeatedly bringing this subject up with other people so don't pretend I'm the one who won't drop it, you've made it clear that knowing my role is important to you.

Claiming I'd want to delay my claim if scum is just bad logic because I'm not even being run up. It sounds like you just realized you didn't actually have town logic to justify your "exposed" comment.

can WE please stop talking about this. we are giving scum info by talking about some stupid role fish / claim BS. The talk ends here from this quote. No reason to keep giving info on who could be PR. Because scum could be pushing one another and scum could be doing this on purpose to get the PR out. so regardless of what the scenerio is, let it unfold day 2.

[GrandpaMo]

If you want to just save some time gamma's town

so u think Gpas mafia right?

Also,

nvm im moving my vote over here rn

VOTE: Kop

the wagon orignally started out too fast but it kinda just dissipated when kops recent posting wasnt even towny

Uhhhh no?

i have no clue why now 2 ppl have said that Gpa/Gamma are TVT, like how does someone think that lol

People yelling at other people is usually tvt.

for example this. you have called me town in the beginnin because of my meta, then called me scum because of meta now is implying i am town because im yelling at gamma? where do u stand rn

[GrandpaMo]

I think part of the issue with this "Gamma doesn't follow up on questions" thing is I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT PEOPLE MEAN WHEN THEY SAY THAT!? I feel like once-upon-a-time it made sense because I threw out a lot of questions that went nowhere but there's never been a solid explanation of what people

wanted

from me in that regard, and in the most recent instance there was actually a logic behind it (I was getting paranoid of two slots I'd townbinned and as such wanted to curb it by allowing them chances to explain themselves before eating the paranoia apple), but at a certain point back when it was "a thing" I actually started trying to go over my questioning and make sure loose ends got tied up, and that's probably why it stopped getting brought up. I also think it's potentially related to what sort of playstyle I use, since it's only been recently that I've tried to switch back into the intuition-heavy playstyle that I believe I used quite a bit back when that was a major issue for me.
In the middle of writing this it dawned on me the exact reason why it's only been an issue for town!me. It goes back to my thing in that other game where I was getting paranoid, if I was scum I wouldn't have that legitimate paranoia, so I wouldn't be asking those aimless questions. So Roden was right to ID it as a towntell, despite me being initially hesitant to agree.
However, I do think 999 is actually a reasonable attempt to make a real connection, so I feel like you're probably being genuine here.

oh my go- what is this. im kinda eh "don't know how to react"

that whole post is like -- "okay okay im sorry, you are right. this is why im like this" type speech. idek if this is scum or town atp. anyone thoughts? or am i just imagining things?

[GrandpaMo]

also i havent pay attentioned to the salsa slot. i just saw them come in and decided to ignore them as i would late iso them. if they are being limmed here -- it most def feels like scum could be bussing them

[GrandpaMo]

I'll vote whatever the top wagon is as long as I'm not townreading them.

you are just all over the place. i suggest changing your playstyle if you are town.

it's to the point where its starting to get annoying. remember when u use to bully me? i was SAD. now im not, im better than you. and i feel so good right now. so stop.

learn to be confident in your reads just like im tryna be. you do this mostly as town and its lame play.

[GrandpaMo]

@hockey

You can take this read and shove it up your nose. Seriously? How many fucking pages have I contributed while you did jack shit and you're going to select my push on Hockey and say I'm mafia.

No I'm not going to let this slide. This is a garbage paragraph of thoughts and I can't even confront you on this because you're straight up calling me mafia. That's not helpful. Get your head in the game or you're gonna be sorry.

[GrandpaMo]

I think part of the issue with this "Gamma doesn't follow up on questions" thing is I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT PEOPLE MEAN WHEN THEY SAY THAT!? I feel like once-upon-a-time it made sense because I threw out a lot of questions that went nowhere but there's never been a solid explanation of what people

wanted

from me in that regard, and in the most recent instance there was actually a logic behind it (I was getting paranoid of two slots I'd townbinned and as such wanted to curb it by allowing them chances to explain themselves before eating the paranoia apple), but at a certain point back when it was "a thing" I actually started trying to go over my questioning and make sure loose ends got tied up, and that's probably why it stopped getting brought up. I also think it's potentially related to what sort of playstyle I use, since it's only been recently that I've tried to switch back into the intuition-heavy playstyle that I believe I used quite a bit back when that was a major issue for me.
In the middle of writing this it dawned on me the exact reason why it's only been an issue for town!me. It goes back to my thing in that other game where I was getting paranoid, if I was scum I wouldn't have that legitimate paranoia, so I wouldn't be asking those aimless questions. So Roden was right to ID it as a towntell, despite me being initially hesitant to agree.
However, I do think 999 is actually a reasonable attempt to make a real connection, so I feel like you're probably being genuine here.

oh my go- what is this. im kinda eh "don't know how to react"

that whole post is like -- "okay okay im sorry, you are right. this is why im like this" type speech. idek if this is scum or town atp. anyone thoughts? or am i just imagining things?

yeah, that's pretty much exactly how it's meant to read. I feel like you're being more genuine than it first felt, and as such kinda feel a little bad for snapping at you like I did.
But I am genuinely curious what you mean when you say "follow up" because that's never been something anyone has cared to clarify when pushing me on this. I've tried to ensure my questions got answered, and when it felt like you were making false promises I took note of that and idk if I really acted on it per se but it definitely informed how I perceived you.

ill follow up on that after my salsa bus thing

[GrandpaMo]

like the only world i am seeing, is salsa hard town and town is only voting them or mafia is hard bussing.

i was just looking at salsa then everybody just hopped on salsa out of weird motion when they were people who scumread me then instantly pivoted on to me

[GrandpaMo]

You should vote people not in my town core :^)(preferabley ppl like Grandpa,Kop or Titus)

im ur towncore what?

[GrandpaMo]

that makes 0 sense

[GrandpaMo]

like the only world i am seeing, is salsa hard town and town is only voting them or mafia is hard bussing.

i was just looking at salsa then everybody just hopped on salsa out of weird motion when they were people who scumread me then instantly pivoted on to me

I READ THIS POST AND I NEARLY VOMITED RL
IM NOT KIDDING

wait shush -- this makes sense because then everynow just pivoted of sf onto galron, which means town was voting them? like does anyone understand this? like im tryna say sf is hard town or hard maf ther is no in between

[GrandpaMo]

okay hi gamma.

this post is for u

so look, what i mean by following up on posts is like look at post 157, someone answered your question and you were able to converse about them because you asked that question -- that wasn't apparent in your iso, there were way more questions not unanswered and just left open for you. like for example, what did you get out of post 248? town usually comes from a perspective where they are able to drop down most of their thoughts -- and when pressured, is able to give them. thats why i pressured you, but you decided not to follow up anything, and that made me scumread you because you kept making excuses that you were this question stating person, and u kept contradicting urself, then realized u kept hiding it because you were scared? i was right, and you admitted it. that whole thing unfort could be flagged for AtE just to make me townread you -- there is a possibility. but yea thats what following up means in my world.

[GrandpaMo]

holy shit just realized i havent pay attentioned shit to this game on low activity players. going to iso some ppl later

[GrandpaMo]

Okay this is how I am looking at it.

salsa, galron, kop all look like have been targets for elims.

i believe one scum is in here.

this is where i personally stand.

Salsa town -- being miscondemned.
Galron null -- haven't followed up anything / coasting.
Kop scum -- no pressure / coasting

i will talk about thsi more when i come back but just think bout it ... like hopefulyl im not crazy.

[GrandpaMo]

Vote Galron
or Salsa

VOTE: T3

why is galron + kop more townier than t3?

[GrandpaMo]

im interested if

anyone

can give me a convincing case on why kops scum here.

im down just giv me a sec.. there is something that pings it out can u guess what post it is? (tldr; they just really haven't been contributing // coasting)

[GrandpaMo]

Let's make the game hard for all of you...

UNVOTE: T3

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

It's E-1 if I count right, if not then you know what to do

Bruh. You acting like this makes it hard for town to actually solve. Your selfish and arrogant act of continuing to act anti town says something. I was going to read you as town. But I just want to get you out regardless of town -- you don't help with town's wincon nor utilize the function of the village. You should stop, and really reflect what you are doing that is hurting town. Just because you don't like the situation you are in, doesn't mean you have to project it to the rest of town. If you are scum, then cool you are acting like level 1 basic scum. If you are town, you have continued to say you are purposefully having an anti - town playstyle. You started on MS recently, so I understand why you think it's hard not to change your playstyle, but if you continue like this, people will start to discredit you and never ever enjoy games with you. I know that you may not care, but I care because I am town and if you are town, you are making our chances of winning lower and lower. So stop, step back and look at the bigger picture. Organize your thoughts and come to a conclusion on why someone could be scum, there reasons for scum then go. I actually do like your scumread on t3 about meta, but I want to hear more. Give town, if you are town, your thoughts on why you are town and who we should limming?

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: superbowl9

Kill all open wolves.

I am

very

tempted to vote sb9.... if not for metagood.

Actually according to your meta analysis sb9 is currently playing to his scum meta. Reread your analysis then dive into his ISO. Plus, he's open wolfing. I've accused him of this multiple times now and he's never denied it, only ignored it.

Town sb9:
Very assertive
Switches between slight joking and hyperseriousness
Engages with the thread
Early game, will give unexplained reads but as the game progresses his reads will develop more
Scum sb9:
Less assertive
Fluffs and jokes around a lot, usually never hyperserious
Engages much less with the thread and usually doesn't respond to people's posts
Reads are mostly unexplained

LOL I was just gonna bring up what t3 said about the meta on sb9. I disagreed, I thought sb9 WAS playing to his town meta, they are switching back from the serious to the joke thing and I saw that multiple times in the thread. yk what #bant3

[GrandpaMo]

Fuck. Salsa. Fuck.

Are you serious? I am starting to get paranoid -- I tried to ISO SF, because there were stuff I townread him, then the more I think about it the more he looks like the partner I hard defended day 1 in Open 810 as scum. They had a bad read list, played AtE towards EoD and just stopped trying.

Why are you making this hard for us SF? Just honestly, @Mod I don't know if that's against the rules but eh, I don't like it.

Like remember the world where I brought up SF could be town and town is just miscondemning. That is the world where Gamma + T3 is both town. And that scum is the quiet ones Kop, Titus, and + etc.

Man...

[GrandpaMo]

Like y'all are mad at Salsa because they're playing anti-town, but sb9 literally and openly scum claimed multiple times and has contributed zero content besides role fishing.

See -- that's the problem roden. We don't know if SF is doing this as scum. It's like we are forced to scumread them. Like ATP -- SB9 could have been that 3rd person I didn't include there that ISN'T pushing SF.

[GrandpaMo]

I say that stuff all the time, especially when I'm making an effort to try to see things through their eyes as if they were town. I think it's a smart thing to do in difficult games.

oka this is towny.

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

I'll be back tomorrow.

I'll look to check the game state.

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Salsa

That was a little too short-lived for you to unvote so soon. Makes me think that was just performative after all.

i love how no one noticed both titus + sf came back, roden as wellbut they were in the previous convo so not as cool as titus and sf coming back at the same time.

coincidence or not??!???!?! I THINK NOT!

[GrandpaMo]

I'm not a fan of this entire self vote shit. I've seen it from town, and I've seen it from scum. It feels forced, and I'm not buying it. But if she has did this shit before, it could be the same again here. SF needs to give out a case on T3 or stop playing this shit, simply because it's hard to get beyond it.

k im finally paying attention to the low activity slots. i kinda do like this from kop, because it was the same thought i had about sf -- its like i want them to prove their town. because atp if everyone scumreads them, then im forced into this awkward as position, where like "do i scumread them because i think they are scum? or do i scumread them because i think we can progress the game without them? and if SF flips red, did mafia bus?" its all these questions thats like making me think.

idek why sf unvoted there --. i want to hear from you @Salsa. explain to me

[GrandpaMo]

ok fine, todays the day, where I will finally pivot onto Galron(just for you marci) :^). Kop's reads are pretty out there and I think thats town+ so ehh

why so quick to analyze that like that? what made it out there?

[GrandpaMo]

Not_Mafia replaces Salsabil Faria

I MISS U NM!!!

glad u replaced in to eh slot.

remember that one time where u caught me as scum but town decided not to believe u SORRY I HAD TO BRING IT UP LOL

[GrandpaMo]

this feels off, feels like ur taunting him??

that would make me town then

because nm found me as scum that game lol

and i was just saying i was fucking scared lol but there is no reason to be scared this game cuz im town

so yea i was taunting him? but in a more positive way that he's a good person that is able to solve my allignment

[GrandpaMo]

this feels off, feels like ur taunting him??

that would make me town then

because nm found me as scum that game lol

and i was just saying i was fucking scared lol but there is no reason to be scared this game cuz im town

so yea i was taunting him? but in a more positive way that he's a good person that is able to solve my allignment

huh
this isnt what i was thinking what

i was thinking the taunting was in the way of "ahaha not_mafia you cant elim me!!!!!" im so confused..?

yea and i just explained to u thats not what i was doing..? i told u what my thought process was when saying that message lol , i just wanted to play a game with nm , i havent played a good game with them in a long time

[GrandpaMo]

Okay this is how I am looking at it.

salsa, galron, kop all look like have been targets for elims.

i believe one scum is in here.

this is where i personally stand.

Salsa town -- being miscondemned.
Galron null -- haven't followed up anything / coasting.
Kop scum -- no pressure / coasting

i will talk about thsi more when i come back but just think bout it ... like hopefulyl im not crazy.

this is where i stood about galron being but ever since that i liked galron's recent posting -- they seemed to agree with NOT the consensus. i feel like scum!galron would have just hopped on the salsa wagon. but them joining roden to scumread sb9 is an interesting take that i believe only comes from town .

[GrandpaMo]

ok fine, todays the day, where I will finally pivot onto Galron(just for you marci) :^). Kop's reads are pretty out there and I think thats town+ so ehh

why so quick to analyze that like that? what made it out there?

can you answer here @hockey?

[GrandpaMo]

ok fine, todays the day, where I will finally pivot onto Galron(just for you marci) :^). Kop's reads are pretty out there and I think thats town+ so ehh

why so quick to analyze that like that? what made it out there?

The SB9 Sr(which not many ppl support atm)

oh just read that . galron had the same take which is why i townread them. what is the difference between kop and galron then?

that would just then make salsa outted scum in the world of galron / salsa / kop

[GrandpaMo]

I'm feeling like my reads are static. More is happening over the weekend than I can interact with and my reads are static. It is a problem.

a lot has changed and developed. im suprised your reads are static, could it be because you are scum? and your partners are being townread so there is no reason to contribute?

[GrandpaMo]

I'm feeling like my reads are static. More is happening over the weekend than I can interact with and my reads are static. It is a problem.

a lot has changed and developed. im suprised your reads are static, could it be because you are scum? and your partners are being townread so there is no reason to contribute?

A lot has changed, but I'm not sure if anything new has developed. A lot of emotions are going back and forth but I change my state by interacting with people.

I really dislike your comment suggesting I am avoiding contributing when it's in my sig that I don't post much on weekends.

no. that isn't what im suggesting. you misunderstood me.. i was just following up in a world where you are scum and what the premise that could be. you literally admit doing so. your reads being static does not equal u not posting a lot. i was just saying you contributing where you have developed reads and changed those reads to the state of the game -- u haven't done so because YOU don't feel the need to. that is what im tryna get at.

[GrandpaMo]

this is where i stood about galron being but ever since that i liked galron's recent posting -- they seemed to agree with NOT the consensus. i feel like scum!galron would have just hopped on the salsa wagon. but them joining roden to scumread sb9 is an interesting take that i believe only comes from town .

why do u think galron still hasnt voted superbowl..? last i checked galrons vote is on salsa, he doesnt need to jump on if hes already on.

i might be getting kop and galron confused. becuase hockey stated they townread kop for scumreading sb9 but i remember galron also scumreading sb9.

[GrandpaMo]

@GrandpaMo Where'd you go?

sorry i quit the computer because i needed to work on my summer stuff to get ready for school tmr

[GrandpaMo]

I'm feeling like my reads are static. More is happening over the weekend than I can interact with and my reads are static. It is a problem.

a lot has changed and developed. im suprised your reads are static, could it be because you are scum? and your partners are being townread so there is no reason to contribute?

A lot has changed, but I'm not sure if anything new has developed. A lot of emotions are going back and forth but I change my state by interacting with people.

I really dislike your comment suggesting I am avoiding contributing when it's in my sig that I don't post much on weekends.

no. that isn't what im suggesting. you misunderstood me.. i was just following up in a world where you are scum and what the premise that could be. you literally admit doing so. your reads being static does not equal u not posting a lot. i was just saying you contributing where you have developed reads and changed those reads to the state of the game -- u haven't done so because YOU don't feel the need to. that is what im tryna get at.

Then why would I bother asking for help and highlighting my situation? I also haven't interacted because I legit wasn't here. There is no other reason.

What do you think I am missing/should look at?

i will never read someone as scum because of inactivty thats just wack fwiw and no one should ever. i learned that lesson in my first newbie game, thanks JacksonVirgo.

-- also you said u disliked my comment and i was offended, because i was tryna poke u around, and then u instantly disliked it. i would understand if u thought i was scumreading u because of inacitivty and thats probably what it was.

ur missing out on these pool of players, galron, kop, and nm (formerlal salsa). i dont believe u were there to comment on those 3.

those 3 have been the spotlight and everyone here has possessed a scumread on one of them at least, so it makes me certain believe there is at least one scum between that pool.

[GrandpaMo]

I think NM has to go today. Does anyone disagree with that?

What happened to ur sb9 push?

[GrandpaMo]

hero solve N_M/Titus/{Gamma/Galron}

i actuall had that same solve but it is ever slightly changing

[GrandpaMo]

I feel like I can’t really make a comparative evaluation like that when my thoughts on SF are mired in how she just refused to be cooperative at all

same thats why i wanted to vote sf.

[GrandpaMo]

can we also chillax? we still have like some days to go and im just waiting for nm to gamesolve

[GrandpaMo]

Why isn't NM yeeted yet? Also I guess he should claim just in case, though I'd assume he'd claim VT since Salsa self-voted and PRs never (or at least shouldn't) self-vote.

why would u say that -- learn how to keep that info to urself than out it after just in case NM does claim PR, and may have froggotten about sf's actions etc

[GrandpaMo]

nm townreading me feels weird.

i just didn't like your slot. im sorry; you probably shouldn't have replaced into this slot if you weren't going to act different. u acted similar to the previous slot.

and got to late before u posted ur reads; idk if ur being miscondemned here or ur just playing bad!scum

[GrandpaMo]

If N_M flips red like I expect, Kop is town for white knighting them.
If N_M flips green, which I doubt, then Kop is a scum whiteknight in a futile bid to gain towncred from the inevitable.

i like 94% agree on this on one of the main reasons on why i want to vote nm here

its also becuase i think titus's allignment gets solved tmr regardless.

anyways im probably gonna hmmer here if no any last words?

[GrandpaMo]

what if scum killed sb9 to let scumbuddy roden off the hook

or is that too paranoid

I'm going to try to find PR softs to explain why scum killed him but gamestate read says that scum killed him because they thought he was PR.

i disagree...

i think it was more of a wifom kill of some sort.

[GrandpaMo]

Also since now we know that Salsa/NM was just mis-elim bait, I heavily doubt the entire scum team was on the wagon. It's a cliche for scum to stay off mis-elim wagons for town cred but it literally always happens.

GrandpaMo, marcistar, Save The Dragons, Kop, Galron

These five were off wagon. There is at least one scum here, possibly two.

i half agree here.

we should be looking for the people who voted on the wagon imo.

this is because of earlier interactions with salsa. did everyone forget that salsa was litearlly going to get voted out? but the wagon died down as they replaced. and also sum to point out there were sum that kept scumreading him after they unvoted thme because it seemed like it was peformative.

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa softly shaded Salsa the entire day, then when Salsa made the self-vote post Grandpa makes an extremely strange post where he says Salsa's ATE is scummy and that he was then paranoid of Salsa? Which makes no sense.

it does make sense.

me self shading salsa > keep saying salsa's ate is scummy and kept acting paranoid. > this is due to the nature of how i was in asimialr sitatuion.

i get in bad ate as town and im tryna improve that

and it felt like they felt geninuly frustrated and everyone was pushing them so they felt cornored. then there is people who were like kop and galron and someone else who were soft townreading them -- and im like salsa could have scum equity with people that could be bussing them.

i was just eh about the slot. and then i ended up didnt like nm's slot. i was gonna hammer / vote but had school and someone took it away from me.

i dont think im ever the vote here regardless so idk why u are pushing me.

there are better slots to look at...

titus / kop / galron are literlaly the top 3 scummiest

[GrandpaMo]

Can someone explain kop scum?

Weak pushes, lack of presence/own opinions.

this is also something interesting to note

[GrandpaMo]

DGB, Mo and superbowl9 are all town

also lol just saw this again

when has nm ever been wrong >:(

so far 2/3 of there townreads been right including me

[GrandpaMo]

Why did you check Roden? Also why were you referring to what looked like guiltiest when you are an investigation role yourself? Wouldn’t your natural inclination be to be MORE skeptical about any possible guilties via knowing you yourself are already investigative? This thought process does not track at all IMO

Roden was flexing a PR. I assume there's a vig in the game. I wanted to know if that was Roden.

You think an odd night gunsmith would be the only investigative?

Why would you want to know who a vig was? If a vig shot happens, then investigate. A vig detection would just force him to claim. Shouldn't you be looking for scum?

VOTE: galron
Fork it, I was floundering for reasons to TR him D1 and I know from LN 235 that tends to be a bad sign

That's E-2.

My vote makes it E-1.

Claim time, tick tock.

Tick tock.

Odd-night gunsmith. Checked Roden.

You checked someone who softed PR and who you said you town read? Instead of sb9, who you scum read? What was the thought process behind that?

Roden was flexing a PR. I assume there's a vig in the game. I wanted to know if that was Roden.

You think an odd night gunsmith would be the only investigative?

So you weren't looking for scum with your odd-night PR?

So, what was your result? I

strongly

think we should llim Galron if he doesn't provide a satisfactory answer.

ok nvm im fine revoting this, @roden, PREPARE for hammer

Literally a scumclaim

hm ok anylayzing this more.

if galron flips scum >> there is also 50/50 between kop themselves. ATLEAST one mafia is bussing here on the wagon, if galron flips red. unless i forgot about anothe person? then it would just be galron + that person + kop. there is also a chance where there could be 4 mafia possibly. idk that would mean town PRs need to be strong.

Roden you claimed PR? And Galron decided not to out the result on you. I think it's either from a spectrum of a TSTBS playstyle or just basic scum play.

Does scum really do this? Does scum actually out a check saying they were looking for a vig when most of this lobby came out saying that shouldn't be the case? or is galron playing wifom with their check to make us think that? Or is it just basic scum mindset?

town!galron would be them in a world where they actually did want to try to find vigi for their own self cure. (which im still tryna understand because its selfish)
scum!galron is signaling to the scum team
scum!galron is just playing bad and fucked up the claim

This slot has more equity to flip scum more than town for more reasons attributed to being scum with scum!galron.

There is literally a confirmed mafia on the wagon if that is the case. So we should use the time to deciher pairings / interactions of whom that be.

ill probably iso some their interacitons later

[GrandpaMo]

I still don't understand why Titus came straight out with the strong vote if it wasn't based on anything but a cold read. And I don't know why Gamma voted Titus that quickly without results of his own. But I explained that dilemma. If someone comes out of the gate with a vote like that, I'm assuming they've got a result on someone.

Eh I don't like this. This feels like signaling to the mafia team to kill Gamma.

[GrandpaMo]

Okay this is how I am looking at it.

salsa, galron, kop all look like have been targets for elims.

i believe one scum is in here.

this is where i personally stand.

Salsa town -- being miscondemned.
Galron null -- haven't followed up anything / coasting.
Kop scum -- no pressure / coasting

i will talk about thsi more when i come back but just think bout it ... like hopefulyl im not crazy.

This progression on the slot took a toll >> went from a twonread to a null read to a scumread.

I still believe my read is right. Scum could just be both Galron + Kop.

[GrandpaMo]

I want to hammer here.

[GrandpaMo]

I wanted to hammer.

Galron did a basic scum last second move -- where they usually disappear.

VOTE: Galron I think this is hammer, if not just in case

[GrandpaMo]

There is literally a confirmed mafia on the wagon if that is the case. So we should use the time to deciher pairings / interactions of whom that be.

ill probably iso some their interacitons later

I want to hammer here.

Anyways I agree with that post for the most part. Im hunting more for town atm tbh, and I feel super confident in my town core, so mafia is just everyone else

what does "im hunting more for town atm tbh" mean

[GrandpaMo]

I see no reason to out my result or lack thereof. It would do more harm than good most likely.

Why? Why would you withhold this information if you're town?

Fuck this right here makes me think Galron could actually be town...

Through this question -- like you have to really think about it. Would 2 mafia hard bus a PR claim? Or would they try to make it credible? Like I did think Kop was just scum with Galron + 1 person if ratio is 10:3 but this question makes it seem they are against Galron. This implies Galron is town getting miscondemnned or now 2 mafia on the wagon.

I just read this before I voted.

This cancels out my logic on how they have more scum equity now because now there is ONE more reason to put galron for town!galron. giving galron 2 possible worlds in where they are town and 2 worlds where they are scum. It's now just a 50/50 atp, and it feels weird that town's highest poe's i believe (titus and kop atm) are both pushing galron here....

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa dancing around voting Galron be like

lol i fell asleep.

was gonna really hammer but i just wanted to see if galron had any last thoughts / reads. town usually give last thoughts but galron didn't...

and now im like stuck.

[GrandpaMo]

like im 84% sure they flip scum here. but that other percent, is me being paranoid that both of my poe come out no where and just start pushing galron. in which galron is town. i think even if galron is town, we can hard solve the game tmr. and if they are scum, we still can solve the game pretty ez, so im not that worried about it. but just a thought or two. considering there is like now atleast 2 mafia on the wagon for those who think galron is hard scum. so i probably gonna have to actually think during the night on who those may be

[GrandpaMo]

T3, what is your solve

Kop/Grandpa/deepwolf

lol so u really think i bus both of my teammates?

if u know my scum meta i rather defend my teammates and get away with wifom lol

[GrandpaMo]

what if ur scum ....

honestly ive ignored you t3 because everyone had called you town and i realized ok this dude is playing the same way as their tonw meta -- but i just realized u do the same damn shit

[GrandpaMo]

ur probably the deepwolf and ur allignment usually gets solved after a couple of days usually by end of game talking bout expierence.

but did u tmi slip there is 3 mafia? or what?

[GrandpaMo]

i no longer have bad vibes about titus

dont fully townread this -- lemme explain (if ur talking bout titus hammer)

i feel like galron was downed to die after that push made. that means mafia had to bus, thru my analysis BOTH mafia had to bus because of the push from everyone in the lobby // questioning reasoning. so i believe mafia is way more likely to have scolded a hammer.

basically there is atleast ONE mafia on the wagon >> unless u rlly think the team is me and kop (if team of 3) which just cant be true because of interactions like i dont think we are alligned here but we always have a better chance of hitting mafia if we go for someone on the wagon.

yes we can go for kop -- i dont mind that however due to the mechanics of this game, assuming there is more than 2 mafia ... one mafia dies and one person wasnt on the wagon, and im not alligned with that person off the wagon, that would mean there is always atleast one mafia on the wagon

the question rises up that there is a world of kop could be town here and both mafia is on the wagon, but even in the world that kop could be scum from ur persepctives, there will always be one other scum on the wagon.

i hope this makes sense. i hope you dont see this as me defending kop for another day because no i still scumread them and like i said before , if ur town u should know that me and kop are never alligned becuase of day 1 interactions. (i can explain more if needed)

but i just feel like its more mechanically correct to vote someone that was on the wagon.

[GrandpaMo]

Actually Hockey could be scum.
Kop/Grandpa/Hockey
You're more of a PoE read though.

i was thinking that gamma could have just faked that ate bs onto me to make me feel sorry for her basically guilttripping me into townreading them

which if actually scum, they did a good job

gamma could be the deepwolf fwiw

[GrandpaMo]

call it a hunch but i bet gamma isn't the deepwolf

if not gamma, then most likely dgb

[GrandpaMo]

who on the wagon do you want to look at?

either gamma // t3 // hockey

i feel like hockey and t3 are never alligned and gamma could be individually scummy for the reasons i posted earlier.

there is a possibility of them are all scum in a world of 4 which is scary

[GrandpaMo]

whoever scum is they have been playing a very good job btw >> because i just have a lame gamesolve that is possibly not correct due to the nature of the game

[GrandpaMo]

i think you should vote gamma if that's where your heart is at

why do you want me to vote this early lol

[GrandpaMo]

you should take a look at who died last night

oh.

well that's awkward.

:/

k... just forget everything i said regarding gamma

anyways i think my reads still the same

pedit; nah dont read it as a slip, i dont like when ppl do that shit. just dont read to much into it pls

[GrandpaMo]

T3, what is your solve

Kop/Grandpa/deepwolf

lol so u really think i bus both of my teammates?

if u know my scum meta i rather defend my teammates and get away with wifom lol

I haven't really been paying attention to your reads.

You told me the same thing when you were scum with me last time. town!me commentates about my reads then scum!t3 says "i havent been paying attention to you" or "to your reads" like gtfo. Start paying attention to me a little more and myabe you can get the confbias off ur head.

ur probably the deepwolf and ur allignment usually gets solved after a couple of days usually by end of game talking bout expierence.

but did u tmi slip there is 3 mafia? or what?

VOTE: grandpa
look at this dude
"TMI slip that there are 3 scum"
It's standard meta that in a 13 player game there are 3 scum. People have been giving herosolves all game that are 3 players and you choose to comment on this now?

No. I have been commentating everywhere in my ISO. Look for yourself. I literally always asusme there is either a 4 world game or 3 world game and that is because some game I was in was a 4 player game.

you should take a look at who died last night

oh.

well that's awkward.

:/

k... just forget everything i said regarding gamma

anyways i think my reads still the same

pedit; nah dont read it as a slip, i dont like when ppl do that shit. just dont read to much into it pls

THIS IS

EXACTLY

HOW SCUM ME BRUSHES OFF FAKE TOWNSLIPS
FLASHWAGON THIS

First, I am not you. Get that in your head, that our playstyles are WAY drastic. You should know that I never ever fake slip as mafia. Hockey can vouch that I usually townslip and sometimes even fake townslip as town. Did it in my first newbie game, and I even commented on about my playstyle regarding slipping Open 810 which I got called out for scumslipping. I

Literally scum faking townslips is like something discreet then when called out on it say 'oh i was just dum'

That isn't what happened. I responded to what STD said and said not to read into it because I don't want that to ruin the integerity of how you could read me. Town read me because you find me town in x and x and x not becuase I "townslipped" or scum read me because of x and x and x not because you think I could have faked that. I explicitly say not to read into that and imply the slip is NAI.

Grandpa's slip and reaction is EXACTLY what I did in DS2 as scum.

Again, I am not you.

[GrandpaMo]

is the solve really {Titus/Gpa}/Kop? Lmao.

T3 is so fking town rn holy shit. I disagree with his Titus TR, but alas.

im never allinged with kop here hockey...

[GrandpaMo]

you should take a look at who died last night

oh.

well that's awkward.

:/

k... just forget everything i said regarding gamma

anyways i think my reads still the same

pedit; nah dont read it as a slip, i dont like when ppl do that shit. just dont read to much into it pls

How are your reads the same LOL. also lets talk about your reads. You anti pair me with T3 yet u think i could be mafia with them in a world of 4 like ??. And now that you KNOW that gammas dead, your reads should change no? Like u had Gamma has indivually scummy AND part of your solve, shouldnt your solve change?

they are the same because gamma was accounted as individually scummy (honestly thought they were PR; them flipping vt is eh). the only reason gamma could be in a solve if there is a world of 4. but now that cant be true >> due to the fact that gamma flips town. so we are probably in a world of 3 atm. anyways lets stop talking about hypotehticals becuase gamma flipped town. and i was just wrong

[GrandpaMo]

Why tho? Im aware you've pushed him but idt that means you guys arent paretns. Lets say fine, I get convinced that you 2 are not paired, u 2 are still INDIVUIALLY sorta scummy(i have u in my solve mainly cuz of POE tbh). Idc about pairs rn

no its how it encounrted. look at my prior reads before i read kop as null i believe galron as town and when that wagon was happening i was intending to hammer since it was an info vote regardless then kop comes out and subtle pushes galron as well with questioning. when i already had read kop scum. however >>> galron flips scum then kop looks bad while i look bad to but in a way where im never alligned with kop. im trying to make it make sense cuz i have a picture of it in my mind. tell me if u understand

[GrandpaMo]

i have sum to say to u hokceyw when i come back bout the reads just didnt have time and kop's claim is worse than galrons lol

[GrandpaMo]

i claim 1 shot loyal neighborizer. i neighbored yesterday after thinking to myself that me and this person will be cleared but then i realized that rest of village could think me and that person could be scum together which is a good strat to play out for scum fwiw.

but plot twist. i was informed that it didn't work :/ that means the person who i tried to neighbor last night is diff allignment than me, therefore they are scum. unless i got roleblocked? idk the weird spec shit behind that lmfao

which surprised me actually lol

i was also informed that i won't have day chat and night chat only due to normalcy rules + my power would get refunded if the person i neighbored was loyal to me and died during the following day.

i won't out who the person is yet first... and this is because i actually want to see more interactions happen with that player and see who their possible partner is. i will out later...

okay lol i did breadcrumb and its actually fucking hilarious how no one would be so adamant to realizing it but post 64 was actually a response to titus's post into making it believe i was talking bout them but actually i was talking myself from a 3rd person pov so i could later quote this on and be like "watch this be a breadcrumb"

227 and 246 was hinting at hockey that they are town and this is because i thought i would neighbor him that night and we would end up both being cleared town. spoiler alert; ended up not using my 1 shot on that night.

post 558 was such an obvious soft. im suprised scum didnt kill me that night.

ok i think thats enough -- u can read more of my iso to look at my little tweety softs i did there

anyways yup. so far i think std is towny due to just meta. they are playing the same way they did against me that one time we played which is a wack read but at the same time there is literally nothing to go off by. ima be honest... ima just out this out here i have always thought titus was either pr / maf since day 1 lol. im suprised scum havent killed u either. so poe is just hockey / dgb / t3

i fucking told town yesterday that we should go for someone on the wagon becuase it was mechancilly better. everyone was relulactant to hop on the kop wagon just minding off the world that there was at least one maf on the wagon. marci dying this night further confirms that fwiw because now we dont have marci as a possible supect for them being an off wagon with galron. the only person could me. and even then if u did think it was me (which there is no real mechanical world because im never paired with kop regardless of allignment), im the only one with kop that didnt vote galron then kop flips town and there is still 2 maf alive which would mean 100% maf on the wagon. once again, confirming a mechanic play that we should have done yesterday.

and yes before u say anything ; that outs that i do have a guilty on one of those three ^

[GrandpaMo]

Ftr I havent softed my role much which is my L but I am a one shot even night cop; I used N2 on Gamma :\

why u check gamma?

[GrandpaMo]

also cop in the setup? that probably means scum has a roleblocker role somewhere idk

[GrandpaMo]

which could fuck with my guilty

[GrandpaMo]

My role makes it very likely exactly 1 of these claims is fake.

whats ur role..?

[GrandpaMo]

I don't want to fullclaim today but I'm a gated investigative with multiple parts to my role.

wtf

not this shit again ur giving me ptsd

[GrandpaMo]

holy shit are we all PRS

[GrandpaMo]

I'm a combined doctor vigilante. I kill my target but heal all kills on my target. Well at least I used to. I'm the reason Roden died. I thought Kop slipped that knowledge.

wait whats the point of the combined then lol

[GrandpaMo]

ok i think i might wanna out who the guilty is on so i could just make the game a little more progressive before we get to like fucking PR madness.

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpas gonna say DBG btw so he can get a MC on DBG

uh no actually.

[GrandpaMo]

guilty is actually on u hockey.

there is a tiny bit chance i could have been roleblocked? but looking at flips here it is very unlikely.

i tried my best not tryna out the person i caught in my claim post lol

my power didn't work on u unless mod error lol

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpas gonna say DBG btw so he can get a MC on DBG

u just gave me anotehr reason why im town kek

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

[GrandpaMo]

Ftr I havent softed my role much which is my L but I am a one shot even night cop; I used N2 on Gamma :\

i did soft a bit in 1741 btw. I was mad that Gamma was dead since I just wasted a check

lol what

[GrandpaMo]

Fuck

is my towncore wrong

u posted this at the same time. i dont think this is a good soft.

u said in my pov, "fuck, is my town core wrong? " which has no info regarding ur role

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

How does it not make sense bruh. I said I thought u were gonna do that because town would be like "yea sure lets condemm the guilty cuz we believe gpa". Also, Im not saying you're scum with dbg cuz of your guility on me, its cuz if you're scum with t3, I'm gona eat a sock.

I never said you're scum because you had me as a "presumptive" guilty, i think you're scum cuz u DO have me as a "guilty" and thats simply not true

i could have been roleblocked idk .

this is a non themed game so all messages probably will be the same

i cant quote it by word by word but it said something along the lines of my actions not going thru because soemthing interefered with it

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

How does it not make sense bruh. I said I thought u were gonna do that because town would be like "yea sure lets condemm the guilty cuz we believe gpa". Also, Im not saying you're scum with dbg cuz of your guility on me, its cuz if you're scum with t3, I'm gona eat a sock.

I never said you're scum because you had me as a "presumptive" guilty, i think you're scum cuz u DO have me as a "guilty" and thats simply not true

im never scum with t3 idk why u keep bringing that shit world up. u also thought i was scum with kop xD lol . out of all the people u should be either pushing dgb here or t3.

im down for a dgb kill unless the team is literally hockey + std. i wanna hear more from std. also post 559 is hilarious because that should me hella town there. after kop flipping town.

[GrandpaMo]

Ftr I havent softed my role much which is my L but I am a one shot even night cop; I used N2 on Gamma :\

i did soft a bit in 1741 btw. I was mad that Gamma was dead since I just wasted a check

lol what

emphasis on "havent softed much"

no i was talking bout the link sending me to a diff post number

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

How does it not make sense bruh. I said I thought u were gonna do that because town would be like "yea sure lets condemm the guilty cuz we believe gpa". Also, Im not saying you're scum with dbg cuz of your guility on me, its cuz if you're scum with t3, I'm gona eat a sock.

I never said you're scum because you had me as a "presumptive" guilty, i think you're scum cuz u DO have me as a "guilty" and thats simply not true

i could have been roleblocked idk .

this is a non themed game so all messages probably will be the same

i cant quote it by word by word but it said something along the lines of my actions not going thru because soemthing interefered with it

you are so flip floppy lol? Why do u suddenly think u could be rbed when a post ago u said "i think i didnt get roleblocked" and had me as your top scum.

do not fucking maniouplate the semantics of the sentence. i said "I COULD have been" meaning there is a possibility. all my posts literlaly have brought you up in a world where u are cop but ur claim literally is a shitty basic level 1 claim so like i said u are MOST LIKELY mafia. WHICH STILL IMPLIES ALWAYS 100% A POSSBILITY u being town. do not take words out of my mouth.

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

How does it not make sense bruh. I said I thought u were gonna do that because town would be like "yea sure lets condemm the guilty cuz we believe gpa". Also, Im not saying you're scum with dbg cuz of your guility on me, its cuz if you're scum with t3, I'm gona eat a sock.

I never said you're scum because you had me as a "presumptive" guilty, i think you're scum cuz u DO have me as a "guilty" and thats simply not true

im never scum with t3 idk why u keep bringing that shit world up. u also thought i was scum with kop xD lol . out of all the people u should be either pushing dgb here or t3.

im down for a dgb kill unless the team is literally hockey + std. i wanna hear more from std. also post 559 is hilarious because that should me hella town there. after kop flipping town.

Dude, I just said its very unlikely/close to impossible you 2 are scum. What does me pairing u with kop have to do with anything. And no, Im not pushing the people u tell me to lol. I cant push DBG rn cuz it havent posted.

what??? why TF ARE U FLIP FLOPPY. u litearlly just said "me/t3 + dgb" which implies dgb is alwyas ur second scum LOL

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

How does it not make sense bruh. I said I thought u were gonna do that because town would be like "yea sure lets condemm the guilty cuz we believe gpa". Also, Im not saying you're scum with dbg cuz of your guility on me, its cuz if you're scum with t3, I'm gona eat a sock.

I never said you're scum because you had me as a "presumptive" guilty, i think you're scum cuz u DO have me as a "guilty" and thats simply not true

im never scum with t3 idk why u keep bringing that shit world up. u also thought i was scum with kop xD lol . out of all the people u should be either pushing dgb here or t3.

im down for a dgb kill unless the team is literally hockey + std. i wanna hear more from std. also post 559 is hilarious because that should me hella town there. after kop flipping town.

Dude, I just said its very unlikely/close to impossible you 2 are scum. What does me pairing u with kop have to do with anything. And no, Im not pushing the people u tell me to lol. I cant push DBG rn cuz it havent posted.

what??? why TF ARE U FLIP FLOPPY. u litearlly just said "me/t3 + dgb" which implies dgb is alwyas ur second scum LOL

lemme add on to this. u said that i could be with t3 and u would eat a sock if i was. the same thing about me is questioning ur allingment if i got roleblocked instead. like stop being a hypocrite and play the game from a non egotisical pov. and it u pairing with kop proves that u have bad reads m8 xD

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

How does it not make sense bruh. I said I thought u were gonna do that because town would be like "yea sure lets condemm the guilty cuz we believe gpa". Also, Im not saying you're scum with dbg cuz of your guility on me, its cuz if you're scum with t3, I'm gona eat a sock.

I never said you're scum because you had me as a "presumptive" guilty, i think you're scum cuz u DO have me as a "guilty" and thats simply not true

im never scum with t3 idk why u keep bringing that shit world up. u also thought i was scum with kop xD lol . out of all the people u should be either pushing dgb here or t3.

im down for a dgb kill unless the team is literally hockey + std. i wanna hear more from std. also post 559 is hilarious because that should me hella town there. after kop flipping town.

Dude, I just said its very unlikely/close to impossible you 2 are scum. What does me pairing u with kop have to do with anything. And no, Im not pushing the people u tell me to lol. I cant push DBG rn cuz it havent posted.

what??? why TF ARE U FLIP FLOPPY. u litearlly just said "me/t3 + dgb" which implies dgb is alwyas ur second scum LOL

YES CAUSE IM SUPPOSED TO PUSH SOMEONE NOT IN THREAD. RIGHT NOW, IT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SOLVE WITHIN {T3,YOU}

SO U DO U THINK MY PARTNER IS?????? LIKE WTF R U DOING HERE OMG UR GONNA BREAK MY GAME

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

How does it not make sense bruh. I said I thought u were gonna do that because town would be like "yea sure lets condemm the guilty cuz we believe gpa". Also, Im not saying you're scum with dbg cuz of your guility on me, its cuz if you're scum with t3, I'm gona eat a sock.

I never said you're scum because you had me as a "presumptive" guilty, i think you're scum cuz u DO have me as a "guilty" and thats simply not true

i could have been roleblocked idk .

this is a non themed game so all messages probably will be the same

i cant quote it by word by word but it said something along the lines of my actions not going thru because soemthing interefered with it

you are so flip floppy lol? Why do u suddenly think u could be rbed when a post ago u said "i think i didnt get roleblocked" and had me as your top scum.

do not fucking maniouplate the semantics of the sentence. i said "I COULD have been" meaning there is a possibility. all my posts literlaly have brought you up in a world where u are cop but ur claim literally is a shitty basic level 1 claim so like i said u are MOST LIKELY mafia. WHICH STILL IMPLIES ALWAYS 100% A POSSBILITY u being town. do not take words out of my mouth.

do not fucking maniouplate the semantics of the sentence. i said "I COULD have been" meaning there is a possibility. all my posts literlaly have brought you up in a world where u are cop but ur claim literally is a shitty basic level 1 claim so like i said u are MOST LIKELY mafia. WHICH STILL IMPLIES ALWAYS 100% A POSSBILITY u being town. do not take words out of my mouth.

Bro, none of your recent posts have brought up the possibillity of me being cop lol. u still have and continue to have me as your top scum. Also, the implication of u thinking i could be 100% town isnt shown here .

STOP LYING i have in potst 1824, 1827, 1828, 1847, 1858

[GrandpaMo]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

ur poe doesn't make sense.

i do believe titus claim here.

u come out and say that i could be scum because i antipicated a guilty on dgb, then say im scum with dgb because i had u as "presumptive" guilty.

i think i didnt get roleblocked. and the last scum is probably hockey + dgb / t3

see this poe makes more sense

How does it not make sense bruh. I said I thought u were gonna do that because town would be like "yea sure lets condemm the guilty cuz we believe gpa". Also, Im not saying you're scum with dbg cuz of your guility on me, its cuz if you're scum with t3, I'm gona eat a sock.

I never said you're scum because you had me as a "presumptive" guilty, i think you're scum cuz u DO have me as a "guilty" and thats simply not true

im never scum with t3 idk why u keep bringing that shit world up. u also thought i was scum with kop xD lol . out of all the people u should be either pushing dgb here or t3.

im down for a dgb kill unless the team is literally hockey + std. i wanna hear more from std. also post 559 is hilarious because that should me hella town there. after kop flipping town.

Dude, I just said its very unlikely/close to impossible you 2 are scum. What does me pairing u with kop have to do with anything. And no, Im not pushing the people u tell me to lol. I cant push DBG rn cuz it havent posted.

what??? why TF ARE U FLIP FLOPPY. u litearlly just said "me/t3 + dgb" which implies dgb is alwyas ur second scum LOL

lemme add on to this. u said that i could be with t3 and u would eat a sock if i was. the same thing about me is questioning ur allingment if i got roleblocked instead. like stop being a hypocrite and play the game from a non egotisical pov. and it u pairing with kop proves that u have bad reads m8 xD

I dont rememeber you questioning my alligment like ....ever? Also, if you're using "omg you have bad reads" as a defense to get me to stop pushing u, thats not happening any time soon chief

LOL I WAS TRYNA PROVE MY POINTS ON HOW U PAIRED ME UP YESTERDAY WITH KOP AND KOP FLIPPED TOWN. SO HOW AM I EVER SCUM WITH THEM LIKE U SAID??????

plus i just gave u like examples like 8 times. me quesitoning ur allingment is a hyperbole // idiom of me seeing u in a possibility world where u are town. holy shit just stop shitpushing me LOL

[GrandpaMo]

I. just. said. your. partner. is. DGB.

omg hockey.

WTF R U DOING. U LITERALLY JUST SIAIDJEWUIFNEUF ENFEWJNFEUF JEIJNJWNMDJEWMNIJKWEDWKMDWIJOKMDF WOJKFWMJKWMDKWMWf
FMIEFMIEWMFEWF


MFIEFMEI

PLS

[GrandpaMo]

UR SO CONTRADICITNG . I THOUGHT I WAS BAD.

PLS REST OF MY TOWNS MATES. PLS TELL ME IM NOT GOING CRAZY AND SEE HOCKEY"s HORRIBLE PROGRESSION FROM THIS INTERACTION

[GrandpaMo]

also that was joking hockey. im not rlly toxic pls no ban :')

but srsly, hopefully im not the only one seeing this.

[GrandpaMo]

UR SO CONTRADICITNG . I THOUGHT I WAS BAD.

PLS REST OF MY TOWNS MATES. PLS TELL ME IM NOT GOING CRAZY AND SEE HOCKEY"s HORRIBLE PROGRESSION FROM THIS INTERACTION

Only horrible cuz it includes you. Dude i have been saying for most of this day that the scum team is {Gpa/t3} + DGB

BUT U LITERALLY CONTINUE TO DEFLECT OF DGB AND CONTINUE TO SAY WE DONT VOTE DGB TODAY LIEK WHAT WHCIH MAKES ME THINK DGB + T3 are paired

[GrandpaMo]

What even is this Grandpa/Hockey interaction
Grandpa's reaction feels sloghtly forced though

FORCED? FORCED?? AREW U FUCKING KIDDING ME HOLY SHIT THIS TOWN's CELLS PLS. I THINK I AM THE ONLY ONE SEEING THIS

[GrandpaMo]

UR SO CONTRADICITNG . I THOUGHT I WAS BAD.

PLS REST OF MY TOWNS MATES. PLS TELL ME IM NOT GOING CRAZY AND SEE HOCKEY"s HORRIBLE PROGRESSION FROM THIS INTERACTION

Only horrible cuz it includes you. Dude i have been saying for most of this day that the scum team is {Gpa/t3} + DGB

SO U FUCKING ADMIT THAT ITS HORRIBLE?????

WTF IS THIS SHTI.

[GrandpaMo]

to 1875, what tf is that supposed to prove?? Just because you arent scum with kop doesnt mean u cant be scum with soemone else like ???

o. m. g.

hockey u litearlly fucking said yestyerday ai could be scum with kop and i was saying u literally used that to fucking push me omg . pls understand and stop beingignewignweigwenwinwermwrwref kewof,mewoifmewifwe

[GrandpaMo]

UR SO CONTRADICITNG . I THOUGHT I WAS BAD.

PLS REST OF MY TOWNS MATES. PLS TELL ME IM NOT GOING CRAZY AND SEE HOCKEY"s HORRIBLE PROGRESSION FROM THIS INTERACTION

Only horrible cuz it includes you. Dude i have been saying for most of this day that the scum team is {Gpa/t3} + DGB

SO U FUCKING ADMIT THAT ITS HORRIBLE?????

WTF IS THIS SHTI.

no, im saying u only think its horrible cuz it includes u

what??? WTF DOES THIS EVEN MEAN

[GrandpaMo]

UR SO CONTRADICITNG . I THOUGHT I WAS BAD.

PLS REST OF MY TOWNS MATES. PLS TELL ME IM NOT GOING CRAZY AND SEE HOCKEY"s HORRIBLE PROGRESSION FROM THIS INTERACTION

Only horrible cuz it includes you. Dude i have been saying for most of this day that the scum team is {Gpa/t3} + DGB

BUT U LITERALLY CONTINUE TO DEFLECT OF DGB AND CONTINUE TO SAY WE DONT VOTE DGB TODAY LIEK WHAT WHCIH MAKES ME THINK DGB + T3 are paired

and u keep ignoring that i dont want to vote DBG rn cuz they havent posted in thread and I want to solve betwene you/T3 first

BUT HOCLKEY U LITERALLY SAY THERE Is 5050 SCUM BETWEEN ME BUT 100 PERCENT SCUM IN DGB??? LIKE WHAHTUWEHUEh PLS

[GrandpaMo]

to 1875, what tf is that supposed to prove?? Just because you arent scum with kop doesnt mean u cant be scum with soemone else like ???

o. m. g.

hockey u litearlly fucking said yestyerday ai could be scum with kop and i was saying u literally used that to fucking push me omg . pls understand and stop beingignewignweigwenwinwermwrwref kewof,mewoifmewifwe

damm! what a crazy world we live in. Grandpa gets outed by me pairing him with a town! Also kop/you pairing was before all this pr claim shit hapend lol

OMFG NO SHIT IT IS KOP FUCKING DIED YESTERDAY. I WAS LEITEKFASODWKOFGKEI OMG IM RLLY frustrated. omg ok i have never ever gotten my ate this up. this IS WORSE than how cyclone was vs me.

omg ur so arrogant. like u dont read at ALL.

and u become a hypocrite by saying the same shit.

like thats not what happened at all? u keep brining these world crazy scenerios into u.

last tiem this shit happened between me and u, I READ U AS TOWN BECAUSE I WAS SCARED U WERE JUST A PLAYING A TSTBS PLAYSTYLE. T3 literally said "oh u cant be scum becuase ur doc" so i just went along with that

but nah fuck that shit. im learning how to be confident. and i think ur 100% scum here.

VOTE: HockeyFan123

[GrandpaMo]

Ok, Im having an anysurem reading gpa posts, i am dipping, good night, and please condemm gpa

they litearlly said im 5050 with t3 but have dgb as outted scum but refuse to vote them. i still dont understand that shit.

im gonna take a break here before i fucking melt down again

[GrandpaMo]

Also, the 100 percent is RIGHT NOW before they have made any posts. The read can change if they do post. Also, its easier to figure u 2s alligment cuz you/t3 are in thread rn

so u expedct me to already know that/????? when u havent said that shit????

like even thats a bad excuse

[GrandpaMo]

Becuase one of yours/grandpas claim is fake and that is a given. Im thinking more and more that its just gpa tbh, but this guy is on crack as either alligment so im gonna sort him tmr with a fresh mind, but tbh hes probs scum here

Anyways, gn

why dont i just have guilty on dgb and go for the easy mc ?

[GrandpaMo]

My role is a 1-shot role that can get a hard guilty but not a hard inno.

can u fully claim. like just stop softing shit. just out already.

[GrandpaMo]

Ok, Im having an anysurem reading gpa posts, i am dipping, good night, and please condemm gpa

they litearlly said im 5050 with t3 but have dgb as outted scum but refuse to vote them. i still dont understand that shit.

im gonna take a break here before i fucking melt down again

Looks like you're the one thats not reading

im solving u guys cuz its easier to solve active players alligments like holy shit

ok im making a full case analysis on what happened. so u dont get the shit mixed up and because u cant read for shit

[GrandpaMo]

Becuase one of yours/grandpas claim is fake and that is a given. Im thinking more and more that its just gpa tbh, but this guy is on crack as either alligment so im gonna sort him tmr with a fresh mind, but tbh hes probs scum here

Anyways, gn

why dont i just have guilty on dgb and go for the easy mc ?

because i called u out on it ... before u could do it?

because ur post in pedit lol i could have just said dgb was scum and ignored ur post lol . i didnt have to worry bout u pushing me for a fake scum. because u already had them as 100% scum and t3 has them as 100% scum

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: kop
like i scumread him
but the claim is towny

this is a scum claim

[GrandpaMo]

hockey not voting dgb but scumreading them

t3 voting dgb but not scumreading them

[GrandpaMo]

guilty is actually on u hockey.

there is a tiny bit chance i could have been roleblocked? but looking at flips here it is very unlikely.

i tried my best not tryna out the person i caught in my claim post lol

my power didn't work on u unless mod error lol

@titus.

im not neighbors with hockey either due to another role stopping it or because hockey is not the same allignment

[GrandpaMo]

i claim 1 shot loyal neighborizer. i neighbored yesterday after thinking to myself that me and this person will be cleared but then i realized that rest of village could think me and that person could be scum together which is a good strat to play out for scum fwiw.

but plot twist. i was informed that it didn't work :/ that means the person who i tried to neighbor last night is diff allignment than me, therefore they are scum. unless i got roleblocked? idk the weird spec shit behind that lmfao

which surprised me actually lol

i was also informed that i won't have day chat and night chat only due to normalcy rules + my power would get refunded if the person i neighbored was loyal to me and died during the following day.

i won't out who the person is yet first... and this is because i actually want to see more interactions happen with that player and see who their possible partner is. i will out later...

okay lol i did breadcrumb and its actually fucking hilarious how no one would be so adamant to realizing it but post 64 was actually a response to titus's post into making it believe i was talking bout them but actually i was talking myself from a 3rd person pov so i could later quote this on and be like "watch this be a breadcrumb"

227 and 246 was hinting at hockey that they are town and this is because i thought i would neighbor him that night and we would end up both being cleared town. spoiler alert; ended up not using my 1 shot on that night.

post 558 was such an obvious soft. im suprised scum didnt kill me that night.

ok i think thats enough -- u can read more of my iso to look at my little tweety softs i did there

anyways yup. so far i think std is towny due to just meta. they are playing the same way they did against me that one time we played which is a wack read but at the same time there is literally nothing to go off by. ima be honest... ima just out this out here i have always thought titus was either pr / maf since day 1 lol. im suprised scum havent killed u either. so poe is just hockey / dgb / t3

i fucking told town yesterday that we should go for someone on the wagon becuase it was mechancilly better. everyone was relulactant to hop on the kop wagon just minding off the world that there was at least one maf on the wagon. marci dying this night further confirms that fwiw because now we dont have marci as a possible supect for them being an off wagon with galron. the only person could me. and even then if u did think it was me (which there is no real mechanical world because im never paired with kop regardless of allignment), im the only one with kop that didnt vote galron then kop flips town and there is still 2 maf alive which would mean 100% maf on the wagon. once again, confirming a mechanic play that we should have done yesterday.

and yes before u say anything ; that outs that i do have a guilty on one of those three ^

Ftr I havent softed my role much which is my L but I am a one shot even night cop; I used N2 on Gamma :\

this is my claim vs hockeys claim and probably why i ended up thinking they were diff allignment due to my loyal modifier

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa, can you explain why you and Hockey are in a 1 v 1?

its also because hockey cant read and it frustrates me

[GrandpaMo]

I'm a night 2 cop. I never softed my role but I softed my result pretty hard yesterday.

this makes one of u or hockey fake.

there is literally no way even night cop + night 2 cop in a setup together.

i think dgb outting there a vt makes sense.

i feel like me and titus's roles are the only ones that make sense here.

i still dont know what the point of T3's role -- they still havent hard claimed which makes no sense not to.

and there is 2 invesg copss + 2 other investigatives lol


4 inves is very unlikely. 2 cops is also very unlikely especially 2 cops of the almost save modifier makes the chances veyr small.

i wanna hear hockey's pov on this.

since my guilty was on hockey, that just outs them as scum fmpov. if we ar econsidering there is 1 maf between the 2 cop claims.

but! 4 inves and 2 of them being real should at least signal to at least a roleblocker in the game // rolestopper which highers my chances of a possible fake guilty.

[GrandpaMo]

From an outsider's POV:
Titus is basically cleared.
1 scum in T3/Hockey/Grandpa.
1 scum in STD/DGB.
Throwing in my own reads, STD is like 90% town
I'm town.
I'm leaning towards Grandpa as scum over Hockey.
So, we lim DGB. She flips scum. I check in Hockey/Grandpa. There's a 50% chance my check will be worthless, and then a 50% chance my check won't give a hard guilty.
So this is a 25% chance of autowin.
VOTE: DGB

this post also makes t3 + hockey way worse since std came out as PR.

[GrandpaMo]

Looking at teh setup more.


If we assume DGB is villager here then

we have

5 x VT
1 x Weak / Passive PR (Macho Enabler)
1 x Weak / Passive PR (Triggered IC)
1 x Weak Investigative / Commuting Role ( My role)
1 x Investigative
1 x Vigi Protective


1 x Weak / Mafia Passive PR (Galron's role)
1 x Mafia Roleblocker of some sort.
1 x Mafia Protective of some sort??? or oppositive of Protective (signals to strongman)

this is probably my setup spec here
which makes sense here.

and i think i wanna use this as my basis to continue scumhunting

[GrandpaMo]

1 x Mafia Protective of some sort??? or oppositive of Protective (signals to strongman)

this can also just be basic mafia

[GrandpaMo]

does anyone disagree or agree with my setup spec? why or why not?