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[Roden]

Oh wow I've actually played with most of the players here before.

VOTE: Koba alt

[Roden]

I've never played with Grandpa outside of a Newbie game before so this should be fun lol.

[Roden]

StD lock town?

[Roden]

Townbinning Gamma.

SCUM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FOCUS ON ME DOING THIS TO EARLY TOWNBIN A BUDDY HMMMMMMMM?~?!!?

Sarcasm?

Just view 100% of my posts as sarcasm from the start and then I'll lyk if they're ever serious (if u ask if this post is sarcasm i will dayvig you)

Is it sarcasm though?

[Roden]

T3 is probably town this game btw

Agreed. I'm feeling good about you, T3, Titus, and StD. And I guess Galron by association if the earlier meta read is correct.

[Roden]

Salsa and Kop role confirming but not yet posting is interesting.

[Roden]

Ah, that would explain that then.

[Roden]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

[Roden]

T3 is probably town this game btw

Agreed. I'm feeling good about you, T3, Titus, and StD. And I guess Galron by association if the earlier meta read is correct.

That's a lot good feelings. Can you flesh this out?

It's mainly vibes and tone. And associatives.

[Roden]

VOTE: Gamma

This slot is theater-ing somebody but I'm not sure who yet. I don't think the third scum isn't interacting with Gamma at all.

[Roden]

VOTE: Gamma

This slot is theater-ing somebody but I'm not sure who yet. I don't think the third scum is interacting with Gamma at all.

*is not isn't

[Roden]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

who is the scum who you think did this?

will talk about this in a later post when i catch up + giving the analysis on the "weird interaction" that i posted and promised to follow up on

okayyyyy

i actually want to talk to you for a bit. you have aksed multiple question but never followed up with anything. where do you stand now? what did you gather from the input of u asking people all these questions?

I ask questions because I’m naturally inquisitive, and tbh if you wanna talk about useless questioning I think Hockey is a worse case than me rn
btw I dragged out the “okay” because my initial reaction to that post was “geez is reading the thread that much of a task for you?”.

Really don't like this post in particular.

[Roden]

VOTE: roden

Does my posting this game feel similar to Large 235 and/or Newbie 2073? That's how you got me last time, so I'm curious.

[Roden]

VOTE: Gamma

This slot is theater-ing somebody but I'm not sure who yet. I don't think the third scum isn't interacting with Gamma at all.

Wait, I'm either not knowing the full facts of this setup, but how would you know there is 3 scum on the same team?

No multiball in normal and I'd count a potential traitor as the third scum. I heavily doubt this game has more than three scum either.

[Roden]

VOTE: roden

Does my posting this game feel similar to Large 235 and/or Newbie 2073? That's how you got me last time, so I'm curious.

i'm not sure i don't really have a town sample of your game

That doesn't matter, you vibe checked me hard in 235 regardless. So what's up here?

[Roden]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

who is the scum who you think did this?

will talk about this in a later post when i catch up + giving the analysis on the "weird interaction" that i posted and promised to follow up on

okayyyyy

i actually want to talk to you for a bit. you have aksed multiple question but never followed up with anything. where do you stand now? what did you gather from the input of u asking people all these questions?

I ask questions because I’m naturally inquisitive, and tbh if you wanna talk about useless questioning I think Hockey is a worse case than me rn
btw I dragged out the “okay” because my initial reaction to that post was “geez is reading the thread that much of a task for you?”.

Really don't like this post in particular.

Maybe the fact I’ve had to field this shit two games in a row might have to do with it?

Not sure what you mean by this?

[Roden]

i'm still getting my bearings tbh

you're worth pressuring tho

Ah. Just assumed you had more because you said I'm scum.

[Roden]

Not sure what you mean by this?

I had LQ wrongly pushing me over my questioning in 235, now GMo did it here

I think it's a playstyle thing then. I've noticed people lock on to other slots that ask a lot of questions. LQ is also just LQ.

I cannot recall a single game where I’ve been scum and been suspected for asking pointless questions

Are you saying it's a town tell then?

[Roden]

StD's playstyle is abusing TSTBS no matter his alignment. Also lazy posting but he's actually quite a bit more active this game.

[Roden]

VOTE: Gamma

This slot is theater-ing somebody but I'm not sure who yet. I don't think the third scum isn't interacting with Gamma at all.

Hard disagree, why do you think this

Actually upon ISO diving I think I'm just wrong. I didn't like his interactions with Grandpa and Hockey, but I think it's more than I need those two slots to simmer more instead. They both feel kinda townie but I keep going back and forth on them, and it may be that they're just the ones being weird with Gamma.

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

Low key I kinda don't scum read anyone right now. This feels like a really safe game.

[Roden]

Low key I kinda don't scum read anyone right now. This feels like a really safe game.

mayb its cuz ur maf who knows everybodies town and doesnt wanna cast sus because u know its wrong :shrug:

Nah I'd just make some shit up or vote for passive town or distance a scum buddy.

I think scum is majority passive this time around since no one's making waves and nobody wants to make any controversial takes.

[Roden]

T3, what's your meta take on Titus?

[Roden]

I think scum is majority passive this time around since no one's making waves and nobody wants to make any controversial takes.

so then y arent u trying to dissect the people who fit under this more then..?

Because I just came to this realization.

[Roden]

Marci playing similar to how she did in 2223 makes me feel better about her questioning.

[Roden]

Town.
Town Titus in ODM made a very similar series of posts just after replacing in in which she joked, but said the jokes in an aloof and serious tone. She did the same thing in RVS here.

Hmm...

Why do you think I'm town?

[Roden]

In what way is she similar?

Her questioning is pretty aggressive and her insistence on vibes over meta is consistent with her town play. I think she plays a lot more passively and meekly as scum, but I'm terrible at meta so she'd be worth a second look/meta dive IMO.

[Roden]

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

[Roden]

where do they feel cautious

They play like T3 (fake claiming and flashy plays) but openly use scum tactics when town and usually get mis-elim'd. He's being very careful not to do any of that and isn't really interacting with that many people.

[Roden]

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

I think he's town from what I remember of his meta. Scum him in Open 810 just walled and walled and walled.

Do you think Hockey is also town? I think their interactions are either distancing or TvS, but I don't think they're TvT.

[Roden]

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

Me, especially because you went from saying scum is passive to suggesting the one player who's actually had a confrontation

I said majority scum is passive, and Grandpa's play so far has been relatively passive anyway.

[Roden]

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

Me, especially because you went from saying scum is passive to suggesting the one player who's actually had a confrontation

I said majority scum is passive, and Grandpa's play so far has been relatively passive anyway.

So who's being active to you if not Grandpa???? Also the other half of this is bs because you tacitly agree to the premise that you should be hunting within lower activity slots in 468 so don't try to worm out from that now

I didn't say anything about hunting within lower activity slots lol. Don't put words in my mouth.

Passive =/= lower activity and you should know the difference.

[Roden]

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

Me, especially because you went from saying scum is passive to suggesting the one player who's actually had a confrontation

I said majority scum is passive, and Grandpa's play so far has been relatively passive anyway.

So who's being active to you if not Grandpa???? Also the other half of this is bs because you tacitly agree to the premise that you should be hunting within lower activity slots in 468 so don't try to worm out from that now

I didn't say anything about hunting within lower activity slots lol. Don't put words in my mouth.

Passive =/= lower activity and you should know the difference.

So are you gonna actually address my post or just point out that lower activity =/= passive?

You keep dodging the actual thrust of what people are saying in favor of semantics. If you wanted me to replace every instance of "active" with "non-passive" in my post you're just being pedantic

I don't know why you want me specifically to point out who's being active though. I can copy/paste the activity overview if you really want but you're asking for info that contributes nothing and is easily accessible to you anyway. It absolutely isn't semantics either way because if we're talking about being passive I absolutely think you are, since at the time you posted this I really don't think you've done much to add to the game except joke around and be a contrarian.

[Roden]

roden whos ur scumpartners

I can tell you on Day 4.

[Roden]

I don't seem aggressive because there's really not much to attack this game. There's no big personalities, no spicy takes, no town leaders, and nearly all the scum reads coming from everyone feel half-hearted.

[Roden]

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

Me, especially because you went from saying scum is passive to suggesting the one player who's actually had a confrontation

I said majority scum is passive, and Grandpa's play so far has been relatively passive anyway.

So who's being active to you if not Grandpa???? Also the other half of this is bs because you tacitly agree to the premise that you should be hunting within lower activity slots in 468 so don't try to worm out from that now

I didn't say anything about hunting within lower activity slots lol. Don't put words in my mouth.

Passive =/= lower activity and you should know the difference.

So are you gonna actually address my post or just point out that lower activity =/= passive?

You keep dodging the actual thrust of what people are saying in favor of semantics. If you wanted me to replace every instance of "active" with "non-passive" in my post you're just being pedantic

I don't know why you want me specifically to point out who's being active though. I can copy/paste the activity overview if you really want but you're asking for info that contributes nothing and is easily accessible to you anyway. It absolutely isn't semantics either way because if we're talking about being passive I absolutely think you are, since at the time you posted this I really don't think you've done much to add to the game except joke around and be a contrarian.

I think there's a chance you might actually be confused and not dodging so I'll say this: by activity I don't mean solely post count, I mean active contributions. Idc if you think I'm passive, I want to know who you think is NOT being passive (since you seem to equate active solely with post count - maybe I need to find another antonym for passive???). Once you tell me I can actually make my point, not that it will land anymore now that we've run around in circles over semantics.

I think mostly everyone has contributed in one way of another. Kop is the most notable exception, but I actually would say Galron is an exception as well. He is supposedly town by meta and his post count is decent, but I honestly can't remember anything that he's said or contributed.

[Roden]

I don't seem aggressive because there's really not much to attack this game. There's no big personalities, no spicy takes, no town leaders, and nearly all the scum reads coming from everyone feel half-hearted.

:shrug:
maybe u should try to do something and become the townleader then... or do u like this gamestate rn..?

I don't think I'd be a good town leader due to my role.

Btw I guess I should probably say now that this game might be weighted towards scum, or at least set up in a way to give them a favorable end game. I say this due to the info my role provides + the current game state having little to no leads on scum.

[Roden]

I don't seem aggressive because there's really not much to attack this game. There's no big personalities, no spicy takes, no town leaders, and nearly all the scum reads coming from everyone feel half-hearted.

:shrug:
maybe u should try to do something and become the townleader then... or do u like this gamestate rn..?

I don't think I'd be a good town leader due to my role.

Btw I guess I should probably say now that this game might be weighted towards scum, or at least set up in a way to give them a favorable end game. I say this due to the info my role provides + the current game state having little to no leads on scum.

To clarify, I think scum have strong roles and/or town has weak roles with little potential to be swingy.

[Roden]

VOTE: Grandpa

He's walling.

[Roden]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

Nah.

Scum don't do that.

Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case

Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.

"I've never seen scum gambit" isn't really enough for me

This isn't the kind of gambit scum does though.

Please stop overthinking this and just do what's clearly GTO. We stop talking about it and get a claim tomorrow if the slot's alive, then evaluate from there, I think we can agree on that much at least

Why are you so set on getting me to claim tomorrow?

[Roden]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

Nah.

Scum don't do that.

Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case

Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.

"I've never seen scum gambit" isn't really enough for me

This isn't the kind of gambit scum does though.

Please stop overthinking this and just do what's clearly GTO. We stop talking about it and get a claim tomorrow if the slot's alive, then evaluate from there, I think we can agree on that much at least

Why are you so set on getting me to claim tomorrow?

Why so serious? You didn’t seem to have an issue softclaiming today
If you’re town, it at least gives us the full information (more helpful to town than scum since scum already have info advantage). If you’re scum it locks you into a role early and gives us a chance to spot a bs claim. Tell me, if you actually are a PR and survive the night, what benefit does concealing your full role serve at that point?

Oof, this was not a good response.

Scum actually don't have the full info advantage here. There is a very good reason I didn't full claim and your reasoning for trying to make me full claim is weak and not coming from a townie mindset. Only scum benefit from PR claims, and you trying to force one makes you look like you're trying to open wolf this game. The role fishing here is obvious and I'm not sure how you could ever justify it.

The worst part about this is that I'm not even on the chopping block here yet you're acting like I'm at E-1 and claiming to save myself. I'm offering info because town PRs absolutely need to be wary and try not to crumb, since I'm fairly certain scum can tear through them this time around.

[Roden]

The car is not moving out of park until I stop wanting to lim you T3

The car is not moving out of park until I stop wanting to lim you T3

The car will have to be towed.

What are you gonna do vote me? Start being townier and I'll gladly move elsewhere

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

Nah.

Scum don't do that.

Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case

Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.

"I've never seen scum gambit" isn't really enough for me

This isn't the kind of gambit scum does though.

Please stop overthinking this and just do what's clearly GTO. We stop talking about it and get a claim tomorrow if the slot's alive, then evaluate from there, I think we can agree on that much at least

This is something I actually feel confident I can defend T3 on
While his theory is probably not entirely correct in practice, I know T3 has said similar before, and as such unless there was a game I am not presently aware of where something happened to contradict that belief it would make sense he’s still thinking this

No yeah i dont doubt he believes this hes just wrong

These thoughts aren't congruent btw.

[Roden]

ISO dived sb9 and uh, wow it's actually a lot worse than I thought it was. I liked his posts when they were happening in the moment, but the entirety of his content is either jokes, a

lot

of complaining, nothing one liners, and role fishing. Any time reads come up it's only to shut down somebody else's town reads and scum reads. His own reads barely even exist, with most of his opinions on others either being vague or hedging. His only real read is a scum read on T3 but he also implies T3 is just a wrong townie. He doesn't even seem to scum read me, he just wants me to claim because he said so.

[Roden]

Oof, this was not a good response.

Scum actually don't have the full info advantage here. There is a very good reason I didn't full claim and your reasoning for trying to make me full claim is weak and not coming from a townie mindset. Only scum benefit from PR claims, and you trying to force one makes you look like you're trying to open wolf this game. The role fishing here is obvious and I'm not sure how you could ever justify it.

The worst part about this is that I'm not even on the chopping block here yet you're acting like I'm at E-1 and claiming to save myself. I'm offering info because town PRs absolutely need to be wary and try not to crumb, since I'm fairly certain scum can tear through them this time around.

If you really think that softing OUT OF NOWHERE D1 has no consequences…. Idk what to tell you.

Cat’s out of the bag that you’re a PR at this point, sorry wasn’t me who did it it was you. Think of it this way: if you were town informed you’d just instantly spill your info to town right?

To call me openly telling you to claim TOMORROW after a soft a rolefish… i really don’t understand what your aim is if you actually are town. Do you expect to survive multiple nights without a protective???

Of course it makes sense if you’re scum trying to delay getting exposed, but what’s the town thought process here? Genuinely confused

I didn't say it had no consequences? I decided giving info was more important.

I didn't instantly give my info because I didn't want the start of the game to revolve around it.

I expect to survive because you've decided to make this a bigger deal than it should be. I don't want a protective role on me though.

At what point was I getting "exposed" lol? Because I didn't instantly interrogate everyone? I was at work my dude, I didn't have the time to wall post and ISO dive. Once I had time, you decided you needed to take it all up instead.

[Roden]

These thoughts aren't congruent btw.

Yes I went through a T3 town lens in that post so gamma would understand me better

Why? Shouldn't you be pushing your one scum read?

[Roden]

Roden can be town based on that. It's not just the hint that's giving me town vibes, it's some of the explanation after, that kinda makes it more plausible that he is town.

Idrc roden’s alignment, giving a half scrap of info is only helping scum and confusing town, even if we believe its trustworthy

It depends on Roden's role though, he could be something ridiculous that helps town if he doesn't out.

I mean can you tell me an example role in which this would be the case if Roden’s still alive tomorrow?

???

How is this not blatant role fishing?

[Roden]

Oof, this was not a good response.

Scum actually don't have the full info advantage here. There is a very good reason I didn't full claim and your reasoning for trying to make me full claim is weak and not coming from a townie mindset. Only scum benefit from PR claims, and you trying to force one makes you look like you're trying to open wolf this game. The role fishing here is obvious and I'm not sure how you could ever justify it.

The worst part about this is that I'm not even on the chopping block here yet you're acting like I'm at E-1 and claiming to save myself. I'm offering info because town PRs absolutely need to be wary and try not to crumb, since I'm fairly certain scum can tear through them this time around.

If you really think that softing OUT OF NOWHERE D1 has no consequences…. Idk what to tell you.

Cat’s out of the bag that you’re a PR at this point, sorry wasn’t me who did it it was you. Think of it this way: if you were town informed you’d just instantly spill your info to town right?

To call me openly telling you to claim TOMORROW after a soft a rolefish… i really don’t understand what your aim is if you actually are town. Do you expect to survive multiple nights without a protective???

Of course it makes sense if you’re scum trying to delay getting exposed, but what’s the town thought process here? Genuinely confused

I didn't say it had no consequences? I decided giving info was more important.

I didn't instantly give my info because I didn't want the start of the game to revolve around it.

I expect to survive because you've decided to make this a bigger deal than it should be. I don't want a protective role on me though.

At what point was I getting "exposed" lol? Because I didn't instantly interrogate everyone? I was at work my dude, I didn't have the time to wall post and ISO dive. Once I had time, you decided you needed to take it all up instead.

If you think it's become such a big deal why are you still arguing with me about it? If you really wanted to keep it low profile how about wait until tomorrow to say anything since I'm proposing we just let you be today??? My suggestion is a very standard strategy.
If you thought we weren't going to be talking about you having additional information you were sorely mistaken. You can't just say something like that in this game and not expect a big reaction - that's what I mean by there are consequences.
**IF** you're scum you will want to delay a claim as long as possible was my point about getting exposed, sorry if that wasn't clear.

I'm arguing about it because the way you're playing this suggests you're either open wolfing, which you never denied, or you're bad town. At this point it's really looking like you're just scum trying to weigh whether or not to NK me tonight. You're repeatedly bringing this subject up with other people so don't pretend I'm the one who won't drop it, you've made it clear that knowing my role is important to you.

Claiming I'd want to delay my claim if scum is just bad logic because I'm not even being run up. It sounds like you just realized you didn't actually have town logic to justify your "exposed" comment.

[Roden]

These thoughts aren't congruent btw.

Yes I went through a T3 town lens in that post so gamma would understand me better

Why? Shouldn't you be pushing your one scum read?

I literally just knew gamma would understand me better if I framed it with T3 as town, it was just so my main point didn't get muddied.

TMI that Gamma is town? Otherwise at what point did you town lock him so confidently that you knew this was your only way to convince him?

[Roden]

@sb9

, I can understand why do you think softing PR from

Roden

seems scum indicative but if you think this way: yes, scums don't have day chat but

Roden

wasn’t also at E-1 or something that they had to take this risky drastic move. I don’t townread them yet, let's see what happens at night.

When did I say this? I'm not even looking at it from an alignment lens until we get the role, it's just (very probably) anti-town to soft like that. I get the town does this more often argument but to say this never comes from scum is not true

Then why are you insistent that I claim and that I got "exposed" if you admit you're not scum reading me?

[Roden]

Is Salsa scum or is her read list just bad? She seems similar to how she was in 2223.

[Roden]

I do feel a little bit better about Grandpa after those last few posts. They felt a lot more genuine/townie than what he'd been posting earlier.

[Roden]

also i havent pay attentioned to the salsa slot. i just saw them come in and decided to ignore them as i would late iso them. if they are being limmed here -- it most def feels like scum could be bussing them

Who's bussing Salsa? And why would they when you're the leading wagon?

[Roden]

Oh. Never mind then lol. Last I saw he had five but I didn't realize most of them changed their vote.

[Roden]

If Salsa's getting bussed then maybe Grandpa is genuine here.

[Roden]

I honestly have no idea, Grandpa didn't really expand on that.

[Roden]

does anyone actually TR SF other than me . just seems people are hopping on this vote/are "fine" with this vote,, and I think that makes SF somewhat town

i do

LOCKTOWN.

D1 lims are usually worse than random.

Wtf? T3 stop trolling lol

Seriously - idk where but someone calculated the stats and day 1 lims are worse than random.

I agree with this. I've only seen scum get caught D1 once, not including those who got bussed.

[Roden]

You should vote people not in my town core :^)(preferabley ppl like Grandpa,Kop or Titus)

im ur towncore what?

i think u read this wrong.

Lmaooooo

[Roden]

What's the case on Kop btw? I don't scum read him, he's just sitting low in my town leans relative to mostly everyone else looking really town.

PE: Ok, I kinda see it. Kop in general has really low content, maybe just not trying to make waves? Would you say Kop/sb9 are aligned?

[Roden]

You should vote people not in my town core :^)(preferabley ppl like Grandpa,Kop or Titus)

Ngl this is triggering my "rule of three" senses.

[Roden]

VOTE: superbowl9

Kill all open wolves.

[Roden]

What's the case on Kop btw? I don't scum read him, he's just sitting low in my town leans relative to mostly everyone else looking really town.

PE: Ok, I kinda see it. Kop in general has really low content, maybe just not trying to make waves? Would you say Kop/sb9 are aligned?

This question is sooooo oddly timed my dude

Which question?

[Roden]

Asking about the Kop case

Oh, that's because Hockey had just brought up Kop and the slot has had wagon resistance.

You should vote people not in my town core :^)(preferabley ppl like Grandpa,Kop or Titus)

I'm not into a Titus elim and Grandpa was starting to feel more townie, so that just left Kop.

[Roden]

VOTE: superbowl9

Kill all open wolves.

I am

very

tempted to vote sb9.... if not for metagood.

Actually according to your meta analysis sb9 is currently playing to his scum meta. Reread your analysis then dive into his ISO. Plus, he's open wolfing. I've accused him of this multiple times now and he's never denied it, only ignored it.

Town sb9:
Very assertive
Switches between slight joking and hyperseriousness
Engages with the thread
Early game, will give unexplained reads but as the game progresses his reads will develop more
Scum sb9:
Less assertive
Fluffs and jokes around a lot, usually never hyperserious
Engages much less with the thread and usually doesn't respond to people's posts
Reads are mostly unexplained

[Roden]

ISO dived sb9 and uh, wow it's actually a lot worse than I thought it was. I liked his posts when they were happening in the moment, but the entirety of his content is either jokes, a

lot

of complaining, nothing one liners, and role fishing. Any time reads come up it's only to shut down somebody else's town reads and scum reads. His own reads barely even exist, with most of his opinions on others either being vague or hedging. His only real read is a scum read on T3 but he also implies T3 is just a wrong townie. He doesn't even seem to scum read me, he just wants me to claim because he said so.

Quoting to reiterate.

[Roden]

I'm actually just gonna tunnel this because I refuse to see a single post in the post game bragging that the scum team won even after they claimed scum and did nothing all game.

[Roden]

Like y'all are mad at Salsa because they're playing anti-town, but sb9 literally and openly scum claimed multiple times and has contributed zero content besides role fishing.

[Roden]

Like y'all are mad at Salsa because they're playing anti-town, but sb9 literally and openly scum claimed multiple times and has contributed zero content besides role fishing.

See -- that's the problem roden. We don't know if SF is doing this as scum. It's like we are forced to scumread them. Like ATP -- SB9 could have been that 3rd person I didn't include there that ISN'T pushing SF.

SF is also self-destructing for no real reason. She did the exact same thing in 2223 because no one was listening to her and she ended up being a mid game mis-elim. Voting her out Day 1 because of her play style is a poor reason to do so because if she flips town then we don't get anything out of it. Like what associatives do we get post flip? At most we could maybe scrutinize anyone who TMI'd she was town. If she flips scum then great, but I'm not confident that she will if she's that fine with putting herself at E-1.

Granted, I don't think she's gonna be too helpful going forward anyway. I just think we should always vote out the slot who's scum claiming and playing to their scum meta over someone who's self-destructing over moderate pressure. If wagoning sb9 is really this impossible today then fine, I'll go Salsa and eat crow if she flips red.

[Roden]

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Salsa

That was a little too short-lived for you to unvote so soon. Makes me think that was just performative after all.

[Roden]

Now that game just ended, going to say that DGB looks ot be similar town.

That game is also why I locktown’d Roden for his idea that scum were being passive
He probably noticed the same gamestate that was going on there but from the other side, and called it out

I've been waiting to mention it lol. Day 1 was brutal and it's feeling similar here, since we're hyper posting into a town core pretty smoothly. It's also why I'm hesitant to vote Galron since he was mis-elim bait in that game and it could be happening here as well.

[Roden]

Sadly I think everyone SRing me might be town (hockey, kop, galron and that's by order of certainty (we're leaving roden out of this so yall can ro3 me)). I wish we could lim Goofball but that doesn't seem like it's happening. I think my early solve with a 0% confidence is T3 NM and one of STD/titus

I actually low key agree that StD could be scum. I town locked him early, but as soon as he got into the town core he faded away. He just reverted to his lazy play style once he got enough town points and I don't feel good about it. Plus there's one post that pinged me earlier, gonna dig it up.

[Roden]

please unvote yourself

This feels like deja vu after Yakra. Both the deep wolf and obvscum made similar low effort posts defending me for town points when I self-voted in that game.

[Roden]

did you roll scum?
answer honestly - this will be put on your resume

Yes

That's 2 votes too few, I am scum

I like NM but this entire exchange is playing directly against wincon no matter his alignment.

[Roden]

It's not

It's not

It's great wifom for me as scum

Who's your scum buddies?

[Roden]

VOTE: NM

[Roden]

In post 1379, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1376, Not_Mafia wrote:
It's not


It's great wifom for me as scum

Who's your scum buddies?


That's against the rules

You naughty little schemer

[Roden]

VOTE: NM

Why did that response result in a vote?

Double tap. I'd already voted your slot.

[Roden]

VOTE: galron
what happened to him

VOTE: galron

VOTE: galron

I’m pretty sure Galron’s one of the slots I townbinned earlier, so please don’t

what has galron done that's actually helpful besides ask a bunch of questions

VOTE: galron
what happened to him

VOTE: galron

VOTE: galron

I’m pretty sure Galron’s one of the slots I townbinned earlier, so please don’t

Why is Galron towny?

This may or may not be coincidental.

NM/T3/StD hero solve?

[Roden]

T3 is probably town this game btw

Agreed. I'm feeling good about you, T3, Titus, and StD. And I guess Galron by association if the earlier meta read is correct.

Imagine if I town read the majority of the scum team here.

[Roden]

I think NM has to go today. Does anyone disagree with that?

[Roden]

I think NM has to go today. Does anyone disagree with that?

I don't know that Superbowl would bus here is what's holding me back.

@Roden

It's not bussing if it's the only logical option at this point. It's not like NM got caught, he's just admitting to it. I don't think anyone should get town cred for this elim if it flips red. Maybe for whoever pushed Salsa but I don't remember if anyone actually cased her.

[Roden]

I mean, what actual benefit does town have for keeping NM around if he's going to claim scum then go silent? He's not even trying to push somebody else.

[Roden]

@Gamma/DGB/Galron:

Does what happened to Salsa this game feel similar to what happened to me in Radio Buzz? Because I'm getting those vibes the more I look at her ISO. Especially the frustration of being unable to break through the town core that formed while she was absent.

[Roden]

@Gamma/DGB/Galron:

Does what happened to Salsa this game feel similar to what happened to me in Radio Buzz? Because I'm getting those vibes the more I look at her ISO. Especially the frustration of being unable to break through the town core that formed while she was absent.

Perhaps, but my perspective is probably tainted

How so?

[Roden]

I think NM has to go today. Does anyone disagree with that?

What happened to ur sb9 push?

Too much resistance and Salsa/NM is scummier.

can we also chillax? we still have like some days to go and im just waiting for nm to gamesolve

No? NM scum claimed then disappeared. He didn't even give any reads.

[Roden]

Why isn't NM yeeted yet? Also I guess he should claim just in case, though I'd assume he'd claim VT since Salsa self-voted and PRs never (or at least shouldn't) self-vote.

[Roden]

Why isn't NM yeeted yet? Also I guess he should claim just in case, though I'd assume he'd claim VT since Salsa self-voted and PRs never (or at least shouldn't) self-vote.

why would u say that -- learn how to keep that info to urself than out it after just in case NM does claim PR, and may have froggotten about sf's actions etc

Out what lol? We're voting NM regardless.

[Roden]

Why did we have two different townies claim scum...?

[Roden]

what if scum killed sb9 to let scumbuddy roden off the hook

or is that too paranoid

Off the hook how? I was gonna push sb9 next.

[Roden]

I don't know why scum didn't kill Roden but he's still locktown.

WIFOM + I've fake softed a role D1 before. Alternatively, scum has a Rolecop or something else that can check for specific roles, and they decided checking me first was a good idea.

what if scum killed sb9 to let scumbuddy roden off the hook

or is that too paranoid

Off the hook how? I was gonna push sb9 next.

i mean he was gonna try to get you to claim today

now you don't have to

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"Don't have to" lol I was never going to. He literally could not force me to claim. If I'm not at E-1, I don't have to claim, and he certainly wasn't gonna make that kind of push considering T3 was his only scum read and he did nothing to try to get him elim'd.

StD you're really not doing a lot to convince me you're town anymore because you already know my scum thought process. This isn't it, and your shade attempts on me don't look good.

[Roden]

Yeah all of them

[Roden]

Also since now we know that Salsa/NM was just mis-elim bait, I heavily doubt the entire scum team was on the wagon. It's a cliche for scum to stay off mis-elim wagons for town cred but it literally always happens.

GrandpaMo, marcistar, Save The Dragons, Kop, Galron

These five were off wagon. There is at least one scum here, possibly two.

[Roden]

Also since now we know that Salsa/NM was just mis-elim bait, I heavily doubt the entire scum team was on the wagon. It's a cliche for scum to stay off mis-elim wagons for town cred but it literally always happens.

GrandpaMo, marcistar, Save The Dragons, Kop, Galron

These five were off wagon. There is at least one scum here, possibly two.

Kop and Galron in particular abstained from voting entirely at EoD.

[Roden]

why not look on wagon too

...You mean everybody else?

[Roden]

Titus is weird to me because she isn't playing to her scum meta, but I don't necessarily town read her.

[Roden]

...yes

like why specifically do you think you're going to find scum off wagon vs on

I already answered this?

I heavily doubt the entire scum team was on the wagon. It's a cliche for scum to stay off mis-elim wagons for town cred but it literally always happens.

Additionally, there are only five people off the wagon, and I town read two of them (Grandpa/Marci). You, Kop, and Galron were all scum read Day 1 as well but all had resistance against your wagons.

[Roden]

then vote galron with me

Sure I'll help you bus Galron.

VOTE: Galron

[Roden]

It's weird how low activity Day 2 is compared to Day 1.

[Roden]

VOTE: galron
Fork it, I was floundering for reasons to TR him D1 and I know from LN 235 that tends to be a bad sign

That's E-2.

My vote makes it E-1.

Claim time, tick tock.

Tick tock.

Odd-night gunsmith. Checked Roden.

You checked someone who softed PR and who you said you town read? Instead of sb9, who you scum read? What was the thought process behind that?

[Roden]

Roden was flexing a PR. I assume there's a vig in the game. I wanted to know if that was Roden.

You think an odd night gunsmith would be the only investigative?

Why would town care if I'm a Vig?

[Roden]

Kinda sounds like you're a Mafia Gunsmith hunting for a Vig. Possibly afraid you for Tracked or that I got Watched.

[Roden]

Kinda sounds like you're a Mafia Gunsmith hunting for a Vig. Possibly afraid you for Tracked or that I got Watched.

*got, not for

[Roden]

Also in what universe does a Vig openly soft PR? I'd just be inviting a Roleblock lmao.

[Roden]

Am I investigative? From a certain point of view, yes. But I have no results to offer today.

Do I have a gun? Idk, ask Galron. He hasn't actually told us his results yet. All he said was that he checked me.

I'm pretty sure he just wanted to see reactions once he claimed.

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

I want to hear Galron explain his thought process. But at this point it seems like he's gone silent on purpose to avoid slipping any more info.

[Roden]

Also, notice who else isn't talking right now.

[Roden]

VC 2.03

T3 (1):

Titus

Galron (5):

Save The Dragons, T3, Roden, Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball

Kop (1):

HockeyFan

HockeyFan (1):

Galron

Not Voting:

GrandpaMo, Save The Dragons, Kop

With

11

remaining,

6

votes to eliminate

Deadline: (expired on 2021-09-22 07:59:05)

Wait, wtf? Is this VC a mod mistake? StD is listed twice and Marci is missing.

[Roden]

I was only looking back to see who's off wagon and see who's potentially bussing. I wanna clear this up first though before I hammer.

[Roden]

GALRON CLAIMED ODD NIGHT GUNSMITH ON RODEN, A CLAIMED PR. HE CLAIMED THAT HE WANTED TO CONFIRM RODEN AS TOWN EVEN THOUGH MAFIAS GIVE THE SAME RESULTS AS TOWN PRS. WHEN ASKED HE WENT OFFLINE

Oh I'm not trying to give a town case for him. I just want to look at what happened today first in case we can reveal more scum, but I'm fine with hammering very very soon.

[Roden]

Can you answer the other questions Galron?

[Roden]

I see no reason to out my result or lack thereof. It would do more harm than good most likely.

How?

[Roden]

What

[Roden]

And I really am not going to take the time to explain why it's a good idea to check your town reads. I've always done it that way. It's what led to me shooting a townDGB in the face last year.

How did this affect your read on me then?

[Roden]

Plus I know there's probably a vig who's just going to shoot me if I don't get booted today anyway.

What makes you think there's a Vig?

[Roden]

Ok good I'm not the only one getting Deco vibes. But yeah, I agree Galron has to go, I don't think we're getting any more info.

VOTE: Galron

[Roden]

GG, honestly surprised that Loyal Neighborizer claim went through

[Roden]

My biggest regret this game is that the one time I actually try to give Grandpa a chance after misreading them in past games for acting scummy, they're actually scum this time lol.