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[HockeyFan]

Second!

VOTE: Grandpa

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: gamma emerald

i'm probably going to scumread you i might as well just get it over with

This seems like a super bizarre reason to vote someone even for RVS? Like you're voting someone just because u srd them in past games which is ??

[HockeyFan]

Galron lock town

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: HockeyFan

My gut doesn't like his FoS. Doubly so because no vote.

Its not a FOS? Imo, its impossible to have FOS'S within 5 posts. Im just voting Grandpa because its funny, nothing to do with his alligment

[HockeyFan]

The FoS is post 6.

Oh. Well its weird to vote someone(even if its RVS) under the reason "I've sussed you in previous games, so let me sus you early this game and throw shade". Even if its RVS, Std saying rn makes it easy for him to push Gamma later in the game based on "you're always sus".

[HockeyFan]

The FoS is post 6.

Oh. Well its weird to vote someone(even if its RVS) under the reason "I've sussed you in previous games, so let me sus you early this game and throw shade". Even if its RVS, Std saying rn makes it easy for him to push Gamma later in the game based on "you're always sus".

Then why play that card early or mention it at all? Scum would just hide it and be opportunistic most likely. Here, they're attempting to sort a hard slot early.

eh i feel like STD could do this as scum regardless. He doesnt have to hide anything when he rarely gets sussed anyways since std is a good scum player. Also, I dont know if they're really attempting to "sort it" with that specific post. I think they're just voting it so they

look

like they're sorting Gamma's alignment, cuz if you're voting someone under the premise of "I dont want to sus u in later game" dont really think thats sorting

[HockeyFan]

knock knock

hi marci

[HockeyFan]

knock knock

hi marci

[HockeyFan]

How's it going gamma? I'm gonna townbin you this game until you start acting really scummy so if you are scum just try to blend in

Found Gamma's partner, thank me later

knock knock

hi marci

wow nvm.... ignoring my knock knock joke... breaking my heart...
hi hockeyfan <3

VOTE: superbowl9
saying this is scum indicative is scum indicative so watch yourselves

this is scum indicative.

sorry marci sadge:(

Also, t3 what the fuck was that opening lol? T3 did u get mafia again, so sad.

[HockeyFan]

also hi to everyone I know (titus,

ari

, gamma i think?)

Wut?

are you thinking what im thinking? lol

What are you trying to do here? Superbowl already said they were thinking of another game. What are u trying to speculate lol? Ari isnt even in the game

[HockeyFan]

forgot to say, but hi grandpa, hope u dont fuck wit me this game :^)

[HockeyFan]

forgot to say, but hi grandpa, hope u dont fuck wit me this game :^)

hope u dont either and dont fucking act scummy as fuck as town.

i hope ur townplay has improved to the better of MY reading towards u

No, I will always act scummy as town, dw that hasnt changed.

[HockeyFan]

this interaction is weird ngl

No you're wrong stay away from my partner

let me be specific, i wasn't talking anyone there specifically.

more to be specific, specifically talking about std, hockey, and titus specifically

Lol ok. So what do u think of the peoples alignment who were involved in the "weird' interaction.

[HockeyFan]

How's it going gamma? I'm gonna townbin you this game until you start acting really scummy so if you are scum just try to blend in

Found Gamma's partner, thank me later

knock knock

hi marci

wow nvm.... ignoring my knock knock joke... breaking my heart...
hi hockeyfan <3

VOTE: superbowl9
saying this is scum indicative is scum indicative so watch yourselves

this is scum indicative.

sorry marci sadge:(

its fine T_T

were u joking with the "found gammas partner" thing..? CAUSE LIKE NGL- I KINDA SEE IT-

Uhh its half-memish/half serious. I could def see it but I dont think scum trs thier partner this early. Curious why you're so confident in them being scum buddies tho?

[HockeyFan]

this interaction is weird ngl

Hi. I'm weird.

we know

lol watch this be a breadcrumb

breadcrumb of what

Why do u care?

[HockeyFan]

this interaction is weird ngl

Hi. I'm weird.

we know

lol watch this be a breadcrumb

breadcrumb of what

Lol Grandpa's never played with me as a PR so I guess that makes sense. He's legit never seen me invested in a game.

As I type this out...it makes me wonder why Grandpa would see a personality comment as a bread crumb thpugh.

I wonder this too, but its too ballsy of a play to just blatanly say this in thread as scum. Like grandpa had no reason to make that post so its super ??

[HockeyFan]

this interaction is weird ngl

Hi. I'm weird.

we know

lol watch this be a breadcrumb

breadcrumb of what

Lol Grandpa's never played with me as a PR so I guess that makes sense. He's legit never seen me invested in a game.

As I type this out...it makes me wonder why Grandpa would see a personality comment as a bread crumb thpugh.

I wonder this too, but its too ballsy of a play to just blatanly say this in thread as scum. Like grandpa had no reason to make that post so its super ??

you literally questioned the person saying why care so that implied u knew or sum smh

???? how does that imply I know anything? From my pov, it felt like gamma was trying to rolefish smth/someone. I have no clue what you're saying

[HockeyFan]

but can we move on from this please? it seems like scum just hopped on out no where trying to rolefish now lol

Uhhhhhh isn't that a good reason to NOT move on from this?

Ok cool, superbowl is town

something seems off about you

That's the definition of me. Lol.

Titus trying to play std's statement as "omg, its NAI dont sus me for this" seems off(no pun intended). Tbf, it being NAI could be entirely true but eh

StD lock town?

Hmmmmm, ok fine I think i'll join u on this one. Std's play here seems wayy differnet than the other game I played with him where he rolled scum(for reference, it was Newbie 2067)

[HockeyFan]

maybe we should lim hockey instead

I can see that with his latest post if StD is town.

Huh? I called STD town in that post.

[HockeyFan]

maybe we should lim hockey instead

I can see that with his latest post if StD is town.

Ok so, what makes my post scummy if STD flips town @Titus

[HockeyFan]

Dont really see the TL'S on Galron atm

[HockeyFan]

not see, understand

[HockeyFan]

Quoting the whole post for context.

It's about the stances you're taking. I know I'm town. If I suppose StD is town, you're townreading the slots that would keep pressure on me. It makes me wary of an agenda.

Ok but, Im not tring STD because of his push on you? STD keeping pressure on you is

not

the reason I am tring you. I am tring STD because of his playstyle shift from the only other game we've played. Also, Idk why you think it would be helpful for me to tr people who "pressue you" when I dont even SR you?

[HockeyFan]

Quoting the whole post for context.

It's about the stances you're taking. I know I'm town. If I suppose StD is town, you're townreading the slots that would keep pressure on me. It makes me wary of an agenda.

Ok but, Im not tring STD because of his push on you? STD keeping pressure on you is

not

the reason I am tring you. I am tring STD because of his playstyle shift from the only other game we've played. Also, Idk why you think it would be helpful for me to tr people who "pressue you" when I dont even SR you?

From an outside perspective, if you encourage the slots who are scumreading me without scumreading me yourself, that creates a great spot for scum. Either a) you can be persuaded later on if you want to move your vote, b) you can try to pocket me or c) you can let a T v T fester and shade elsewhere. It's a great spot for scum to be in to encourage that.

I'm not 100% sure that's what you're doing, given you didn't seem to pick up on me FoSing you for that though. You got defensive in a clueless way, which suggests you weren't defensive of that agenda if that makes sense.

A) is fair, and I understand. B), i dont really see what me tring STD has anything to do with pocketing you? Are you assuming Im

always

gonna follow STD's read on u? Cuz that isnt happening. C)Again, I dont think why u think my reads will be influnced on STD. Me tring std whos pushing you AND me tring you can both be true.

The second part of that para, you are right, and I dont really know where your push is coming from, although idt its scum-motivated.

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: HockeyFan

My gut doesn't like his FoS. Doubly so because no vote.

but fuck it lol

VOTE: SF

Now you're right mod.

Ok so what does you voting SF(even if its a meme) mean your read on me becomes?

[HockeyFan]

T3 is probably town this game btw

[HockeyFan]

T3 is probably town this game btw

idk about that one

Circling back to this, what is your read on T3 then if not town. My tr on him comes from tonal/vibes atm

~meta time!!!!~
I just remembered how town Titus in ODM had a series of posts that was tonally similar to her joking around but aloof posts in this game so she's a townread for now. I'm not sure if this is exclusively a town Titus thing but based on the limited evidence I have it is.

You're supposed to meta someone else, so I can actually get data from it. I already know I'm town lol.

idk why you expect t3 to do something specifically for you

[HockeyFan]

Regarding 187, here are some quotes which I think come from town t3. As I said, its mainly on tonal/vibes

Spoiler:

How's it going gamma? I'm gonna townbin you this game until you start acting really scummy so if you are scum just try to blend in

Found Gamma's partner, thank me later

knock knock

hi marci

wow nvm.... ignoring my knock knock joke... breaking my heart...
hi hockeyfan <3

VOTE: superbowl9
saying this is scum indicative is scum indicative so watch yourselves

this is scum indicative.

sorry marci sadge:(

Also, t3 what the fuck was that opening lol? T3 did u get mafia again, so sad.

Catching up.
This post pings me as weird, specifically the lightheartedness but then the question mark but nothing to quantify.

Also I was going to metadive sb9 based on his enthusiasm in RVS but then I realized it was page 5 and I was already efforting.

something seems off about you

:0
mindmeld
kinda
It's hard for scum to fake genuine emotional reactions to posts that townies also feel.

I do agree that t3's whole interaction with Titus is weird and t3 doesnt really want to take a solid stance on titus atm, idt its scum leaning atm + the above quotes still make me want to TL him

[HockeyFan]

My tr on him comes from tonal/vibes atm

How is it different from the game we just finished?

Ok iirc the game was just came off of, I was tring him for his content, but this game its more for his vibes/tonal. Also there is almost no point in metaing t3 since he plays too crazily/weirdly regardless of alligment

[HockeyFan]

My tr on him comes from tonal/vibes atm

How is it different from the game we just finished?

Ok iirc the game was just came off of, I was tring him for his content, but this game its more for his vibes/tonal. Also there is almost no point in metaing t3 since he plays too crazily/weirdly regardless of alligment

His thoughts are choppy here but I dont see any craziness or weirdness. Where are you seeing him being crazy and weird?

Or are you just saying that because his meta is trash, you've got to read him fresh

. Or what? I can't parse your response I guess.

I meant he plays weirdly in general, not in this specific game. And yes, the bolded part is true

[HockeyFan]

@galron, can u elaborate on your gpamo tr, dont really see wheres its coming from

[HockeyFan]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

My tr on him comes from tonal/vibes atm

How is it different from the game we just finished?

Ok iirc the game was just came off of, I was tring him for his content, but this game its more for his vibes/tonal. Also there is almost no point in metaing t3 since he plays too crazily/weirdly regardless of alligment

His thoughts are choppy here but I dont see any craziness or weirdness. Where are you seeing him being crazy and weird?

Or are you just saying that because his meta is trash, you've got to read him fresh

. Or what? I can't parse your response I guess.

I meant he plays weirdly in general, not in this specific game. And yes, the bolded part is true

By Titus being strange I mean it feels like she's saying jokes in a very aloof manner.

By Titus being strange I mean it feels like she's saying jokes in a very aloof manner.

Are you trying to say that’s scummy?

No, just odd.

By Titus being strange I mean it feels like she's saying jokes in a very aloof manner.

Are you trying to say that’s scummy?

No, just odd.

Huh. That feels like the kind of thing that could reasonably be called a scummy sort of weird.
I don’t think Titus is scum rn, to be clear

It's potentially scummy, but just odd for now.
There's also that Titus continued to do that which suggests it's more of a personality/modd thing.

What scenarios is it scummy in?

If it's very out of place, tone-wise.

But these posts. How many times can things be "odd" or "strange" without them being scummy. Like he's trying to go out of his way to make a point that things are wrong with these posts but won't commit.

Idk how much being non-committal to something early D1 is necessarily scum leaning, but I dont blame you for thinking this is scum and actually think you're town for moving the game forward in some sense

[HockeyFan]

didnt mean to quote 199, also sorry for quote walls

[HockeyFan]

ur questioning me regarding why i said that was a bread crumb but you replied to gamma regarding rolefishing. if you know that gamma was tryna rolefish > then you my narrative is correct that you do believe it was a bread crumb. do you understand? or do you want me to simplify it easier for u? its basically like a logic gate.

lol? I mean you're just assuming that just because I question soemoen else on why THEY know/want to know the "breadcrumb" and why THEY care doesnt mean i think its a breadcrumb? Me not seeing the "breadcrumb" and me questioning someone on someone whos fishing for that breadcrumb can both be true

[HockeyFan]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

[HockeyFan]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

whats the point of roden saying that? same answer.

what makes you SO offended about this post that you have to reply and make a whole quote about it and talk about it. i know roden and i have played roden. i havent formally interacted with roden other than this.

Because I know in like 1-2 days you're just gonna sheep the consenous read on Roden, you're setting it up, ik that. these blanket reads dont really hold of much value to me. Roden doing this is also bad, never said it was good. Im aware i didnt call him out on it earlier, but I am now B)(+i think rodens a slight TL rn)

[HockeyFan]

Fuck, I have too many Tr's rn.

[HockeyFan]

I'll have Grandpa's alignment nailed in like two days.

lol i think i have a towntell for u and its kinda eh rn.

im just waiting give me like a day

Whats the point of saying stuff like this lol

whats the point of roden saying that? same answer.

what makes you SO offended about this post that you have to reply and make a whole quote about it and talk about it. i know roden and i have played roden. i havent formally interacted with roden other than this.

Because I know in like 1-2 days you're just gonna sheep the consenous read on Roden, you're setting it up, ik that. these blanket reads dont really hold of much value to me. Roden doing this is also bad, never said it was good. Im aware i didnt call him out on it earlier, but I am now B)(+i think rodens a slight TL rn)

i havent even read roden yet...? what are you on about. u ok hockey?

Why is it that everytime we interact, its over some petty shit smh.

Anyways, my TRs atm are T3,Galron,superbowl and STD. I think that towncore is pretty good for now? T3 read is most likely to change ftr

[HockeyFan]

thatmakes us both town then lol

also why is t3 town in ur eyes btw

Using meta is LAME tho. Like disregarding the fact that this happend in last game we played, you've done nothing this game which has made me go "oh hey look hes town". T3 towncase is on 189

its also because u push weird narratives ngl. u do that a lot as town and why many ppl scumread u and push day 1. i saw scum taking advtange of u in that one game we were together.

Fair. but, are you just pocketing me here? smh

[HockeyFan]

Fuck, I have too many Tr's rn.

I found Titus' partner.

Explain?

I'm just not reading any of Grandpa's posts tbh

The whole Gamma/Grandpa interaction is either A. Scum Theatre or B. T/S, either way imo at least one of these is scum

Salsa's opening felt natrual to me but nothing to TR off of, so Salsa at null rn

[HockeyFan]

DGB Havign this many town reads probs means hes town? not too confident on that one tho

[HockeyFan]

sorry not he, it*

[HockeyFan]

Fuck, I have too many Tr's rn.

I found Titus' partner.

Explain?

The whining about having too many townreads is scummy-yummy.

Oh i see, I thought u were pairing me with Titus just based on that post. Ok the reason I was complaning about having too many tr's is because smth felt off, and i felt like i was probably wrong on some of them.

Salsa's opening felt natrual to me but nothing to TR off of, so Salsa at null rn

Isn't feeling natural a reason to TR someone?

Eh sure, but i dont think feeling natrual is a very big town tell

[HockeyFan]

@Hockey, fair enough on SF. I don't really think strong TR reads happen as much D1 but it gets strong enough for form a town core. That's what I am looking to do today. That's usually more important than D1 accuracy.

Yea, I also agree with this. As for a town core, I think im good with a {T3,Galron,superbowl and STD} towncore atm

[HockeyFan]

Also why the hockey vote gamma?

I mentioned earlier I felt like hockeyfan had been asking questions and not doing much with them
for instance the asking of why I cared about GMo seeing a crumb, I don't think hockeyfan has actually done anything with my response to that

I mean even if it looks im not doing much with the questions

directly

, I am indirectly making reads off of them, no? I have a solid town core :^)

Also, your answer to my question was "I dont see how it was a crumb", which imo didnt really need to prompt a response.

[HockeyFan]

Marci, can u elaborate on that vote/your thoughts in the game state in general

[HockeyFan]

My tr on him comes from tonal/vibes atm

How is it different from the game we just finished?

Ok iirc the game was just came off of, I was tring him for his content, but this game its more for his vibes/tonal. Also there is almost no point in metaing t3 since he plays too crazily/weirdly regardless of alligment

Was his vibes/tonal different in that game, to this one?

Can't really tell, but at a quick glance, yes.

Also why the hockey vote gamma?

I mentioned earlier I felt like hockeyfan had been asking questions and not doing much with them
for instance the asking of why I cared about GMo seeing a crumb, I don't think hockeyfan has actually done anything with my response to that

I mean even if it looks im not doing much with the questions

directly

, I am indirectly making reads off of them, no? I have a solid town core :^)

Also, your answer to my question was "I dont see how it was a crumb", which imo didnt really need to prompt a response.

That’s only half of my response
The other half was that I was trying to check what GMo was playing at

Yea, and I still dont see why you should care about what GMo is playing at. If hes town, hes likely trying to bait scum that he thinks its a breadcrumb when he doesnt think it actually is one. Even if he does think its a breadcrumb as town, he is probably trying to WIFOM/ has no point to say that. Simillary, If hes scum and HE does think its a real breadcrumb, why bring attention to that in thread? just put it in scum PT

[HockeyFan]

Daychat is not enabled by default.

@hockeyfan

Ok whatever, he could just waited til night to point out the breadcrumb, point still stands. Overall, gpa saying titus's post was a breadcrumb is NAI, and even could be Town leaning

VOTE: roden

When are you gonna stop making naked votes and unvotes?

[HockeyFan]

why does it matter

Because im looking to see if you actually have any reads of substance? Or are all of your votes reaction tests

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Kop

I hate his readslist is likely all town.

Sure his readslist may be bad, but do u

really

think its all town ? Cuz i'll be very very suprised if all of you,T3,gpa and gamma are town lol

[HockeyFan]

why does it matter

Because im looking to see if you actually have any reads of substance? Or are all of your votes reaction tests

i vote wherever the wind takes me

sigh

[HockeyFan]

STD is being kinda scummy with the unexplained and seemingly random reads (though I do get where he is coming from with most of them) but STD is attracting a lot of attention in a way I think scum would try to avoid.

TSTBS is usually bad but not here ftr

Why is using TSTBS to read someone in this case not bad? seems odd that u get to pick and choose when certain things matter? this your scum buddy?

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Gamma

This slot is theater-ing somebody but I'm not sure who yet. I don't think the third scum isn't interacting with Gamma at all.

Wait, I'm either not knowing the full facts of this setup, but how would you know there is 3 scum on the same team?

It's standard site meta that in a 13p game there are 3 scum. This seems like a fake excuse to scumread someone. VOTE: Kop

How am I using that as a fake reason to scum read someone?

Yes I am fully aware that it's standard 3 scum in a game of this size, but I wasn't fully aware that it's no longer allowed multiball. I had a hiatus for quite sometime so wasn't aware of rule changes regarding multiball. And not seeing the full setup, I wasn't totally sure that it's all mafia.

I'm not scum reading Gamma based on that.

Ah.
UNVOTE:

Scum theatre ez(dont take this as my real read on kop/t3 interactions). honestly t3 has fallen out of my towncore, and Kop is still null so they're both null atm

[HockeyFan]

STD is being kinda scummy with the unexplained and seemingly random reads (though I do get where he is coming from with most of them) but STD is attracting a lot of attention in a way I think scum would try to avoid.

TSTBS is usually bad but not here ftr

Why is using TSTBS to read someone in this case not bad? seems odd that u get to pick and choose when certain things matter? this your scum buddy?

TSTBS is only good when the player is doing stuff in a deliberately attention grabby way.

Fair, still dont like u tring STD solely off of TSBTS

[HockeyFan]

I think we can leave STD to sort for later tbh (scum trying to take pressure off buddy?!???!1!?)

[HockeyFan]

to elaborate, what the fuck does the part in brackets mean

[HockeyFan]

oh nvm, you're calling yourself STd's scumbuddy. why do ppl in my towncore like to claim mafia so much smfh

[HockeyFan]

Marci, can u elaborate on that vote/your thoughts in the game state in general

no.

jk!!!
i dont really have thoughts from before my vote, but i think t3 could be scum because from what i've seen... he usually gives scummier vibes as town.. like in an "this will be easy to push a miselim on" sort of way. im not really getting that here..

You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him

I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.

Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.

i agree with the points people have brought up on this just scumreading the people who are more active. but people piled on votes here kinda quickly so im wary about this being scum tbh.

VOTE: kop
Yeah I’m good with this, don’t entirely buy the townslip but those kop SRs are pretty much all the most notable slots

i like gamma emerald for this.

Ok cool Marci is town

[HockeyFan]

I liked content from 445, plus nothing feels off about your tonal/vibes rn

[HockeyFan]

omg a vibe read <3 <3 consider me pocketed

what made t3 fall out of ur towncore thingy? is it the save the dragons stuff or something else..?

basically

[HockeyFan]

Hockey reading everyone off tone/vibes is ???

Start reading

omg a vibe read <3 <3 consider me pocketed

what made t3 fall out of ur towncore thingy? is it the save the dragons stuff or something else..?

basically

Why was my read on std scummy?

Because it indirectly defended/treid to take pressure off of Std due to "tSTbS"

[HockeyFan]

oh nvm, you're calling yourself STd's scumbuddy. why do ppl in my towncore like to claim mafia so much smfh

Because I'm mafia

oh really? same!!

Hockey reading everyone off tone/vibes is ???

check a mirror

Yes but meta is the best scumhunting tool

vibes > meta

oh
I've been skimming your and Grandpa's posts because... I actually dunno lol

whats ur reads

This makes me tr marci more because for some reason ppl i TR like to claim mafia and its annoying lol

[HockeyFan]

im feeling good about the ppl who just talked lately(T3,Roden,Marci). Not hard trs on any of them but the vibe feels right.

[HockeyFan]

im feeling good about the ppl who just talked lately(T3,Roden,Marci). Not hard trs on any of them but the vibe feels right.

Why? I peg at least 1 scum in the 3 of em

I mean you're probably right but T3 is town because I like his content. Roden's progression on reads/reasoning for them seems solid. Marci because of tonal/vibes. Who do u think is the scum?

[HockeyFan]

im feeling good about the ppl who just talked lately(T3,Roden,Marci). Not hard trs on any of them but the vibe feels right.

Why? I peg at least 1 scum in the 3 of em

I mean you're probably right but T3 is town because I like his content. Roden's progression on reads/reasoning for them seems solid. Marci because of tonal/vibes. Who do u think is the scum?

dont like how ur leaving room to warp

SHOCKER!!! I AM SEMI- AGREEING WITH ONE OF MY TR'S SO SUS!!! tf do u mean leaving to warp lol. how is town reading 3 ppl leaving room to warp

[HockeyFan]

I mean you're probably right but

is leaving room to warp imo

im feeling good about the ppl who just talked lately(T3,Roden,Marci). Not hard trs on any of them but the vibe feels right.

Why? I peg at least 1 scum in the 3 of em

I mean you're probably right but T3 is town because I like his content. Roden's progression on reads/reasoning for them seems solid. Marci because of tonal/vibes. Who do u think is the scum?

Why am I right? ToT I've already said/am voting T3

I'm inclined to agree with my trs usually + im not confident on the fact that they're all town(even though i want this to be true :^))

[HockeyFan]

I mean you're probably right but

is leaving room to warp imo

i should prob explain a bit more.
but in the future when u need to dissolve the trs and sus one of us, u could point here and be like "i knew all along..."

also u got kinda got reactive there hmm wonder what that means...

sorry im cranky rn lol

[HockeyFan]

I'm inclined to agree with my trs usually + im not confident on the fact that they're all town(even though i want this to be true :^))

Okay makes sense. If I need a vote on a wagon I'll be sure to @ you

dont want to hard allign as scum buddies too much tho

[HockeyFan]

Gamma's play seems town but out of fear Im not gonna put them in my town core

[HockeyFan]

Gamma's play seems town but out of fear Im not gonna put them in my town core

This seems valid but I’m curious where the fear comes from, just the fact that I’m a experienced player?

Yes

[HockeyFan]

ooga booga this game is hard

[HockeyFan]

Hockey, why are you voting G'pa Mo ? I've only kinda skimmed the last pages, so if you can point me to a post or two that's fine.

It was a meme vote on the first page of the game.

VOTE: gamma emerald

i'm probably going to scumread you i might as well just get it over with

This seems like a super bizarre reason to vote someone even for RVS? Like you're voting someone just because u srd them in past games which is ??

wait hockey.

if u are thinking bout what im thinking do you think you would be able to tell me the team by just pointing out std for it. ik im going back, but this is really important in my gamesolve -- and i have to make sure im not fucking stupid

???? what does this mean.

[HockeyFan]

It was a meme vote on the first page of the game.

You havent seen a reason to move this in the 25 pages since?

I mean tbh, I forgot i was still voting someone. But, even with this realization, yea, I dont see any reason to nesccearily move it since Grandpas not in my town core

[HockeyFan]

It was a meme vote on the first page of the game.

You havent seen a reason to move this in the 25 pages since?

I mean tbh, I forgot i was still voting someone. But, even with this realization, yea, I dont see any reason to nesccearily move it since Grandpas not in my town core

[HockeyFan]

hey t3 who do you SR, since u seem to TR a bunch of ppl

[HockeyFan]

ooga booga this game is hard

thats cuz u rolled scum this game

shhhh

I think SF is scum with HockeyFan or Roden but not both.

Thoughts DGB?

I know u didnt ask me, but im pretty sure you're just pairing town with town here. I think SF is probably town, havent properly isod them tho

[HockeyFan]

^We might as well get rid of this slot if this is all of the content it's gonna produce

^We might as well get rid of this slot if this is all of the content it's gonna produce

do u scumread them at all

Nope

btw wtf is this sequence lol. I dont think theres anythign wrong with DGB giving blanket reads

[HockeyFan]

^We might as well get rid of this slot if this is all of the content it's gonna produce

^We might as well get rid of this slot if this is all of the content it's gonna produce

do u scumread them at all

Nope

btw wtf is this sequence lol. I dont think theres anythign wrong with DGB giving blanket reads

Can you read

DGb

?

I can. (she's town)

t3 who do u sr, u've trd like 8 ppl

[HockeyFan]

thing im good with a new established town core of Salsa, Marci, superbowl and Roden.

Salsa- I like the content of thier posts + they just seem natrual town progression to me
Marci- Really like tone/vibes of her posts, + nothign seems off about them
Superbowl- Hes taking the game super lighthearted which i think is town +?
Roden- Town progression on reads

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Gpamo

Someone that has imo been going a bit under the radar and has used to not make that much quality posts. He hasnt attempted to make a push, and is also not in my towncore.

I think im good with keeping my vote here for now.

[HockeyFan]

oh right, i was already voting him LOL

[HockeyFan]

Normally, I wouldn't like Roden's post but I kinda do atm. Why is a mystery?

I don't think HockeyFan plays the game this why if scum with SF.

That leaves me with a conundrum as one of them should be scum with SF as the posting doesn't make sense.

What if... all 3 of us are town? I dont see why u think SF must be paired with one of us. Like what in her posting implies that? Sf's recent readslist had me as town and Roden as scum. Do you think scum!Sf puts either of thier partners in T/S. wouldnt they want to put them in null?

[HockeyFan]

Normally, I wouldn't like Roden's post but I kinda do atm. Why is a mystery?

I don't think HockeyFan plays the game this why if scum with SF.

That leaves me with a conundrum as one of them should be scum with SF as the posting doesn't make sense.

What if... all 3 of us are town? I dont see why u think SF must be paired with one of us. Like what in her posting implies that? Sf's recent readslist had me as town and Roden as scum. Do you think scum!Sf puts either of thier partners in T/S. wouldnt they want to put them in null?

HockeyFan, you're new here obviously, not an alt. I generally have a rule of three. If scum lists three or more people in a list, it usually has scum in it. Roden being scum in her list is NAI.

SF selectively paying attention to only one of you and Roden doing the same thing doesn't sit well with me.

Perhaps I am reading partners wrong as the goal may have been agency capture or whiteknight given how people reacted to your post.

Ok so u think Roden is more paired with SF based on the "rule of 3" which btw doesnt apply here because iirc sf only mentioned 2 scum? What does the bolded mean? Idt SF is only paying attention to us 2?

[HockeyFan]

Now, read list in no particular order....

Grandpa

HF

marci

sb9

Kop

GE

Galron

Titus

STD

Roden

DGb

T3

This would suggest partners in Kop/marci/sb9. I have zero problem putting Kop as a partner.
However, GE/Galron/STD contains people I mostly townread. :/

assuming this aslo means that u think theres a scum between roden/dbg/t3 if salsa is red?

[HockeyFan]

wait, nvm dont answer that

[HockeyFan]

ok reading t3's recent content makes me comfy putting him back into my towncore

[HockeyFan]

???? what does this mean.

I was tryna see if we were thinking the same thing when you replied to that. Because I am thinking about a narrative right now -- and you could be thinking of the same exasct narrative. And I knwo I am town, and if we are thinking about the same thing -- that could lead us to you being town having the same intuitive thought as me.

Ok but what narrative are u thinking of. Your post said "you would be able to tell me the team by just pointing out std for it". The answer is no, I cant.

The moon confirms this. Roden goes to my towncore.

?????????????? Didnt u just say SF can be paired with Roden lol

btw Gpa basically thunderdoming Gamma and letting attention get to him makes me feel a bit better about him but as i said earlier, still think theres one scum between them

[HockeyFan]

Ah, ok. So, has your read on SF changed now that SF cant be paired with Roden(for now)

[HockeyFan]

wait wtf the SF wagon has 3 on it? Hmm, I think at least one of those, maybe 2 are scum

[HockeyFan]

If you're asking me which ones, idfk, but T3 looks the towniest so one or both of DGB/Titus could be scum here

[HockeyFan]

wait wtf the SF wagon has 3 on it? Hmm, I think at least one of those, maybe 2 are scum

Why does wagon size dictate a scum? If SF is scum, it's likely all 3 voting are town.

Because I TR SF.

[HockeyFan]

Im Traitor

[HockeyFan]

wait wtf the SF wagon has 3 on it? Hmm, I think at least one of those, maybe 2 are scum

Why does wagon size dictate a scum? If SF is scum, it's likely all 3 voting are town.

Because I TR SF.

Why?

329 and post 688 explain my TR

[HockeyFan]

If you're asking me which ones, idfk, but T3 looks the towniest so one or both of DGB/Titus could be scum here

This sounds made up. First you say that at least two are scum (the setup). Why I don't know. Then you narrow it down to one of two. How you get there I don't know but it looks to be built on a questionable premise. What exactly is your thought process here?

lol, ok, so I saw the wagon formation on SF and thought scum were on it, But idt all 3 scum would buddy up together on a wagon like that. So there was probs 1-2 scum on it right? Yea... so I made the conclusion that t3 is probs town so the others 2 are scum. When did i narrow it down to one of them? I said either one OR both.

If you're asking me which ones, idfk, but T3 looks the towniest so one or both of DGB/Titus could be scum here

I'm townreading both of them.

bruhh

wait wtf the SF wagon has 3 on it? Hmm, I think at least one of those, maybe 2 are scum

Why does wagon size dictate a scum? If SF is scum, it's likely all 3 voting are town.

Because I TR SF.

And why is it impossible that 3 town can vote a town>

Because i dont think all of you,DBG and titus are town here

wait wtf the SF wagon has 3 on it? Hmm, I think at least one of those, maybe 2 are scum

Why does wagon size dictate a scum? If SF is scum, it's likely all 3 voting are town.

Because I TR SF.

Why?

329 and post 688 explain my TR

In 329 you said that Salsa is null.

Cool. I said that Salsa's posts semt natrual to me and even though i said it was null at that time, i brought that post up because being natrual is part of my towncase on SF. Also, your next post is just lol, w/e.

[HockeyFan]

Like, I do this sort of cheerleader act sometimes when I don’t feel like taking the wheel
That’s what I’ve been doing this game and unless your spectating managed to miss that entirely I feel like you should get that

One step ahead of ya lmao

Although to actually respond to that last post, I think you should have presented those games to start with
As for why my effort doesn’t feel needed, it seems easy enough to sort a good chunk of people as town just by reading their posts and poking them here and there

But unless you actually substantiate that meta read and it doesn’t look as bunk as it felt when you announced it I feel like I have nothing to prove here

Alright, listen up. I don't bring up meta to a discussion when there is no reason to look at it or just blantly lie because ANYONE can just look and see if I am lying or telling the truth.

I will give you one game I spectated, that can give you a hint at this playstyle, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28404

This is Newbie 2074, look at the ISO -- same "naturally acquisitive" playstyle where they ask questions and never follow up anything. They meme around and act like their cheerleader playstyle. You also sheeped people in that game just like you did. For example Val89 in post 400 in that game.

So stop contradicting. Stop bringing up LAME excuses just to cover your ass. All you have is that "Oh I coast, and Grandpa pushing me for coasting is scum".

I love how no one is focusing on this interaction -- that probably just means that implies one scum in our interaction and scum wants to give you attention in this case, since you would be scum in my POV (conf bias).

Okay, maybe you could say I could be nitpicking on a replacement game because yes you did replace in that game. Let us look at different games where you weren't replaced.

You do the same thing in this themed normal I believe, Sitatuion Normal. You rolled scum in this game. Look at this ISO - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28404

Exact same thing. Look at post 176, with the multiple questions as well. Post 246, the sheeping. Post 617, sounds like a question that you have brought up in similar discussion, the same type of question that was used in my interaction with Gamma. They seem confused, but not in a genuine confusion. Compare that post in that game vs the post in this game, 157. There is a lot of similarities between this iso and that game's ISO.

Okay. Want me to continue? Do you think I bluntly did not check the meta?

I obviously fucking did, and if you want to discredit me, do it right. You continue just to deflect my main points on me. And you have nothing on me. You STILL cannot scum case. Fucking do it, I DARE YOU. DO IT, you scum. (holy fuck, I am finally taking advice of being confident, and I feel so good right now that gamma could be scum).

Now this is only 1/3 of why you are scum, I already provided 2/3 of the scumcase in my other quote where T3 says I misrepresented it with no explanation.

** I wrote this before I fell asleep**

I obviously fucking did, and if you want to discredit me, do it right. You continue just to deflect my main points on me. And you have nothing on me. You STILL cannot scum case. Fucking do it, I DARE YOU. DO IT, you scum. (holy fuck, I am finally taking advice of being confident, and I feel so good right now that gamma could be scum).

[HockeyFan]

I love how no one is focusing on this interaction -- that probably just means that implies one scum in our interaction and scum wants to give you attention in this case, since you would be scum in my POV (conf bias).

Smh ive been saying u guys are opposite alligments for a bit now. Fyi, I think you're the scum between the 2 but could be wrong

[HockeyFan]

ok what do u think of the gamma/gpa interaction

[HockeyFan]

i think grandpamo looks better from it, but i dont necessarily think gammas scum tbh.

ok lol

VOTE: Marci

is this like a TMI townread or smth

[HockeyFan]

If you want to just save some time gamma's town

so u think Gpas mafia right?

Also,

nvm im moving my vote over here rn

VOTE: Kop

the wagon orignally started out too fast but it kinda just dissipated when kops recent posting wasnt even towny

[HockeyFan]

lol, ok, so I saw the wagon formation on SF and thought scum were on it, But idt all 3 scum would buddy up together on a wagon like that. So there was probs 1-2 scum on it right? Yea... so I made the conclusion that t3 is probs town so the others 2 are scum. When did i narrow it down to one of them? I said either one OR both.

That's the thing though. It sounded like you had 3 scum on it or maybe I just misread. So I saw the leap from 3 to 1 and thought what? If I look at it now, I can maybe see what you're talking about, so I'm not going to push it further. At the time I probably wasn't reading it as generously as I probably should. But now that I look at your response here, I see you say that you reached the conclusion that t3 is probably town so the other 2 are scum. But you're NOT saying that, you're saying it could be 1 or 2 of the others as scum. So again, maybe my misreading, maybe your inconsistency. Not sure where that goes rn.

Now think about this, if we're in a regualr mini normail where it's 10-3, how often have you seen two scum back-to-back on an early day wagon? And you kinda did narrow it down to one of them. I dunno. It may be a distinction without a difference, but it's and inconsistent thought process, which is probably more likely not scummy. Caveat being would scum do that and you know how that goes.

Man reading those two paragraphs I just wrote hurts my head.

Yea i also dont understand what your 2nd paragraph is saying? Do you mean u think they wouldnt buddy up on a wagon so quickly? Cuz that is fair, but they could so eailly do it here cuz its early D1 and they face little to no reprecussions for doing so

[HockeyFan]

lol, ok, so I saw the wagon formation on SF and thought scum were on it, But idt all 3 scum would buddy up together on a wagon like that. So there was probs 1-2 scum on it right? Yea... so I made the conclusion that t3 is probs town so the others 2 are scum. When did i narrow it down to one of them? I said either one OR both.

That's the thing though. It sounded like you had 3 scum on it or maybe I just misread. So I saw the leap from 3 to 1 and thought what? If I look at it now, I can maybe see what you're talking about, so I'm not going to push it further. At the time I probably wasn't reading it as generously as I probably should. But now that I look at your response here, I see you say that you reached the conclusion that t3 is probably town so the other 2 are scum. But you're NOT saying that, you're saying it could be 1 or 2 of the others as scum. So again, maybe my misreading, maybe your inconsistency. Not sure where that goes rn.

Now think about this, if we're in a regualr mini normail where it's 10-3, how often have you seen two scum back-to-back on an early day wagon? And you kinda did narrow it down to one of them. I dunno. It may be a distinction without a difference, but it's and inconsistent thought process, which is probably more likely not scummy. Caveat being would scum do that and you know how that goes.

Man reading those two paragraphs I just wrote hurts my head.

Yea i also dont understand what your 2nd paragraph is saying? Do you mean u think they wouldnt buddy up on a wagon so quickly? Cuz that is fair, but they could so eailly do it here cuz its early D1 and they face little to no reprecussions for doing so

[HockeyFan]

If you want to just save some time gamma's town

so u think Gpas mafia right?

Also,

nvm im moving my vote over here rn

VOTE: Kop

the wagon orignally started out too fast but it kinda just dissipated when kops recent posting wasnt even towny

Uhhhh no?

i have no clue why now 2 ppl have said that Gpa/Gamma are TVT, like how does someone think that lol

[HockeyFan]

Ok, I finished catch up (again ). Not in the mood for post by post commenting rn, so I'm giving my thoughts altogether.

Most probably

Galron

asked me why I think

Kop

's wagon formation indicates they're likely town but not for

T3

because what I said already (my reason to scumread them) + I can't remember

T3

's wagon tbh + they played with town!me in couple of games before where my play style is pretty similar (except 1/2 ig) like in this game and I'm always a miselimination slot due to my

certain paly style

which they clearly know.

The last reason goes for

Titus

also. Both of them are going for LHF slots which I don't think town!them would do. So, the scum team is now:

T3

/

Titus

/?
If

Roden

and

DGb

both are towns, then

Garlon

can be the 3rd scum. I don’t really like their vote on me.

Not sure about

Roden

atm, their softing PR is a ballsy move, especially when there’s no daytalk available for scums. So I'll let them live today but I'm agreeing with

sb9

about this matter: if they're not the nk, then they're sus.

Grandpa

vs

GE

seems TvT to me also, but definitely not SvS.

@HF

, if I wouldn’t townread you, would you still put me in the towncore?

Updated read list with no particular order:

marci

sb9

HF

GE

Kop

Grandpa

Garlon

Roden

DGb

STD

Titus

T3

T3

also asked me a question if I ever played with

STD

before, something like that. The answer is yes and I don’t remember that they placed RVS vote by giving joking reason.

UNVOTE: Roden

VOTE: T3

Will go afk now (2)

Yes.
T3's reads are also town and idfk what superbowls "push" on him even is lol

[HockeyFan]

Forgot to say in earlier post but @SF, why are u so confindent Gpa vs Gamma is TvT, seems odd

[HockeyFan]

T3's reads are also town and idfk what superbowls "push" on him even is lol

his READS are towny???

YES. its moreso of the fact that his reads are pretty similar to mine. Also, whast your real read on T3, cuz it seems like you're pushing him but at the same time not, so how much do u SR them

[HockeyFan]

T3's reads are also town and idfk what superbowls "push" on him even is lol

his READS are towny???

YES. its moreso of the fact that his reads are pretty similar to mine. Also, whast your real read on T3, cuz it seems like you're pushing him but at the same time not, so how much do u SR them

If you base towniness off of how similar someone's reads are to yours scum will have a very easy time with you. You'll find out in due time my friend.

TRUE. but t3 didnt know that he would be trd if he had the same reads/simillar reads as me and the actual reasoning behind these reads is also smth i like

[HockeyFan]

this whole sb9/Roden interaction is pointless smh. Stop, you guys are both town, now vote Kop :^)

[HockeyFan]

Marci, i already told u, I am traitor

[HockeyFan]

t3, whats your read on Kop and why shouldnt we lim them today

[HockeyFan]

@hockey

You can take this read and shove it up your nose. Seriously? How many fucking pages have I contributed while you did jack shit and you're going to select my push on Hockey and say I'm mafia.

No I'm not going to let this slide. This is a garbage paragraph of thoughts and I can't even confront you on this because you're straight up calling me mafia. That's not helpful. Get your head in the game or you're gonna be sorry.

lmfao.

ftr, i think salsa is just town here and @gpa putting shade on people on thats slots wagon in post 1010 seems super ??

[HockeyFan]

its because gpas throwing shade on the ppl who are on the wagon smh

[HockeyFan]

does anyone actually TR SF other than me . just seems people are hopping on this vote/are "fine" with this vote,, and I think that makes SF somewhat town

[HockeyFan]

does anyone actually TR SF other than me . just seems people are hopping on this vote/are "fine" with this vote,, and I think that makes SF somewhat town

i do

LOCKTOWN.

D1 lims are usually worse than random.

Wtf? T3 stop trolling lol

[HockeyFan]

You should vote people not in my town core :^)(preferabley ppl like Grandpa,Kop or Titus)

[HockeyFan]

Regarding 1052

Worst Scumcase ever :^)

Spoiler:

You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him

I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.

Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.

First scum log. Just having generally consesnus sr's is scum+ imo. Also, in this post its a bunch of fence sitting, and not comitting to a read on certain posts. For example, in this post he thinks I didnt fake townslipped but also it could very well be a fake townslip which is super ??, not really taking a stance.

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

I think it buys a day, if he's alive tomorrow he hardclaims and we go from there

I can sense the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it. It feels like something that scum would be actively thinking, and are setting up the next day.

Again more fence sitting, says he can see the reasoning behind it, but still likes it ?? Says he can sense the reasoning just to say it would be smth scum would be thinking so why do u sense the reasoning behind it? negl, Kop/Superbowl interactions are super weird

^towntell for not knowing that tho

I can see your point on it being a town tell, but could easily be scum faking that they didn't know.

AGAIN, MORE OF THE "I CAN SEE YOUR POINT" BUT IT COULD EASILLY BE "SCUM ....", like you're not willing to take hard stances on certain things which I think comes from scum+.

[HockeyFan]

like the only world i am seeing, is salsa hard town and town is only voting them or mafia is hard bussing.

i was just looking at salsa then everybody just hopped on salsa out of weird motion when they were people who scumread me then instantly pivoted on to me

WTF IS THIS SUPPSED TO MEAN?? what. u think salsa is alligned with the ppl voting them, lolwut. Also, do u think they are more TOWN or more SCUM

[HockeyFan]

negl, Kop/Superbowl interactions are super weird

explain

look at posts 373 and 896. Kop is like "I can see the point behind it"(subtly tring him), but hehe haha im gonna discredit your statement like 5 secs later(throwing shade) imo

[HockeyFan]

that makes 0 sense

Day 1 lims are disproportionately on town.

if you know this, why are u gunning hard for SF, shouldnt u also rando vote

[HockeyFan]

Hockeyman is meta good?

No, not really, dont pay attention to it too much

[HockeyFan]

What's the case on Kop btw? I don't scum read him, he's just sitting low in my town leans relative to mostly everyone else looking really town.

PE: Ok, I kinda see it. Kop in general has really low content, maybe just not trying to make waves? Would you say Kop/sb9 are aligned?

uhh too early for pairs imo but i could see it? Idk it seems more to me that kop is awkwardlyinteracting with sb9 on purpose so could be S/T

Hockeyman is meta good?

No, not really, dont pay attention to it too much

I present to you my meta case on Titus, where she is probably town.

[HockeyFan]

if u tell me why u disagree ill give u a quarter

because meta bad. also im not really seeing town from titus's iso. Nothing particularly scummy, but nothing towny either

[HockeyFan]

y dont u push her then

Kop is scummier

[HockeyFan]

y dont u push her then

Kop is scummier

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: galron

t3 stop avoiding Kop

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: galron

t3 stop avoiding Kop

dont worry t3 im fluent in canadian ill translate this for u

"t3 stop voting my partner and vote on this instead!!!!"

VOTE: Marci

cant have someone out me like that

[HockeyFan]

Titus makes jokes in a serious tone often as town. She did it this game. The conclusion is simple.

wtf if this is yyourmeta reason for tring titus, dont u think making jokes ina a serious tone can be done as either aalignment

[HockeyFan]

sorry if that post was unreadable, my keyboard is wack

[HockeyFan]

marci, why are u voting Galron

[HockeyFan]

Marci, gdi why do u have to be so town

[HockeyFan]

Marci, gdi why do u have to be so town

1. whats gdi mean
2. cuz i am town : D

1. God damm it
2. hmmm, pinky promise? You've claimed scum like 10 times smfh(ik im the one to talk but shh)

[HockeyFan]

Wagon on Galron is concerning but galron is not part of my town core so idm it. also why tf are wagons moving so fast lol. it went from gpa -> SF -> Galron. Are mafia leading these wagons or smth

[HockeyFan]

holy shit just realized i havent pay attentioned shit to this game on low activity players. going to iso some ppl later

how soon is "later"

Wagon on Galron is concerning but galron is not part of my town core so idm it. also why tf are wagons moving so fast lol. it went from gpa -> SF -> Galron. Are mafia leading these wagons or smth

yes.
who do u think would be a better vote then bestie

MARCI, PLEASE START READING MY POSTS

Okay this is how I am looking at it.

salsa, galron, kop all look like have been targets for elims.

i believe one scum is in here.

this is where i personally stand.

Salsa town -- being miscondemned.
Galron null -- haven't followed up anything / coasting.
Kop scum -- no pressure / coasting

i will talk about thsi more when i come back but just think bout it ... like hopefulyl im not crazy.

This is a town post

im interested if

anyone

can give me a convincing case on why kops scum here.

kek

[HockeyFan]

Regarding 1052

Worst Scumcase ever :^)

You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him

I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.

Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.

First scum log. Just having generally consesnus sr's is scum+ imo. Also, in this post its a bunch of fence sitting, and not comitting to a read on certain posts. For example, in this post he thinks I didnt fake townslipped but also it could very well be a fake townslip which is super ??, not really taking a stance.

I was simply saying that you could have fake townslipped because I have seen it before in other games, but I'm not taking a stance simply because I'm not going to hold a read based on that. You might have genuinely meant what you said, and not faked it.

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

I think it buys a day, if he's alive tomorrow he hardclaims and we go from there

I can sense the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it. It feels like something that scum would be actively thinking, and are setting up the next day.

Again more fence sitting, says he can see the reasoning behind it, but still likes it ?? Says he can sense the reasoning just to say it would be smth scum would be thinking so why do u sense the reasoning behind it? negl, Kop/Superbowl interactions are super weird

Where did I say that I like it?

I can see his reasoning where it comes to day 2 and Roden is still alive he will need to hard claim. Town are going to wonder why a PR is still alive in day 2 because PR's are generally a threat to scum. Scum can easily see this, and will likely be setting up day 2 by creating WIFOM and allowing Roden to live.

^towntell for not knowing that tho

I can see your point on it being a town tell, but could easily be scum faking that they didn't know.

AGAIN, MORE OF THE "I CAN SEE YOUR POINT" BUT IT COULD EASILLY BE "SCUM ....", like you're not willing to take hard stances on certain things which I think comes from scum+

Because like I said above. I'm not going to hold a read based on that. I was simply stating that you could have said what you did, for others to possibly believe it's a town tell and you would get a town read on it. I was taking the stance that I wasn't buying it, but I'm not going to town read you or scum read you based on your comment of day chat.

Kop who do u think is scum and why. Also, WHAT are you basing your reads off of then?

[HockeyFan]

SF's play has devolved to spamming 1 liners, so i cbf to read her posts, but i think the extreme amount of pressure shes getting rn makes ehr town

[HockeyFan]

sf, it makes it hard to tr u when you put yourself to e-1 with 7 days left. And no, idgaf about t3's alligment concerning you. This isnt among us. you cant say "WHEN I DIE, GET HIM" like ???. Can you scumcase t3 more for me

[HockeyFan]

STD, quick question, where has the wind taken u in terms of reads as of rn

[HockeyFan]

why are all of u actively avoiding Kop smh. Btw roden is hard town for his push on SB and not lazilly pushing SF

[HockeyFan]

why are all of u actively avoiding Kop

case him

cant really do much when u ask me the same questions 700 times when theres already an answer

[HockeyFan]

Yeah
Kop has been low content -> less scummy stuff.

Fair

[HockeyFan]

because fencesitting means u can switch your read on a person/a post to consenous later down the line. Also scum doesnt want to hard commit to reads imo

[HockeyFan]

but i dont think the way he did it was scummy..?

in my pov it just looks like "i see what ur saying, but i like the way i see it more."
am i understanding wrong?

YES, and thats the thing I find scummy :^)

[HockeyFan]

but i dont think the way he did it was scummy..?

in my pov it just looks like "i see what ur saying, but i like the way i see it more."
am i understanding wrong?

YES, and thats the thing I find scummy :^)

...
i.. dont understand...

who stole my braincells tonight :<

dw i dont have any either

but i dont think the way he did it was scummy..?

in my pov it just looks like "i see what ur saying, but i like the way i see it more."
am i understanding wrong?

YES, and thats the thing I find scummy :^)

I feel like I say that sort of thing a lot as town

no else convincing enough for me(that has scum equity) to vote atm

[HockeyFan]

but i dont think the way he did it was scummy..?

in my pov it just looks like "i see what ur saying, but i like the way i see it more."
am i understanding wrong?

YES, and thats the thing I find scummy :^)

I feel like I say that sort of thing a lot as town

no else convincing enough for me(that has scum equity) to vote atm

vote galron for clear skin

I already have clear skin . Also i dont sr galron enough atm

[HockeyFan]

I already have clear skin . Also i dont sr galron enough atm

wtf u have clear skin and u havent dropped ur skincare routine???? fake friend smh

why dont u scumread galron :<

srry i cant say my skincare routine

2. Like thier one, they're getting sr'd for reasons I dont agree with, and the ppl scumreading him are /generally/ not in my town core. Besides, I looked over his posts and didnt see anything scummy

[HockeyFan]

I already have clear skin . Also i dont sr galron enough atm

wtf u have clear skin and u havent dropped ur skincare routine???? fake friend smh

why dont u scumread galron :<

srry i cant say my skincare routine

2. Like thier one, they're getting sr'd for reasons I dont agree with, and the ppl scumreading him are /generally/ not in my town core. Besides, I looked over his posts and didnt see anything scummy

[HockeyFan]

Like thier one, they're getting sr'd for reasons I dont agree with, and the ppl scumreading him are /generally/ not in my town core. Besides, I looked over his posts and didnt see anything scummy

u dont like my reasons..? : - ( whats wrong with them..?

whats ur read on save the dragons

Your case is goodish, but from what ive seen its mainly from a lack of effort which is NAI imo

Also, I have a nullishtown read on STD, he hasnt made it into my town core yet

[HockeyFan]

Like thier one, they're getting sr'd for reasons I dont agree with, and the ppl scumreading him are /generally/ not in my town core. Besides, I looked over his posts and didnt see anything scummy

u dont like my reasons..? : - ( whats wrong with them..?

whats ur read on save the dragons

Your case is goodish, but from what ive seen its mainly from a lack of effort which is NAI imo

Also, I have a nullishtown read on STD, he hasnt made it into my town core yet

STD/I are aligned by the principal of gut reactions.

Not how it works, you cant allign with your scum buddy like that

[HockeyFan]

ok fine, todays the day, where I will finally pivot onto Galron(just for you marci) :^). Kop's reads are pretty out there and I think thats town+ so ehh

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Galron

[HockeyFan]

ok fine, todays the day, where I will finally pivot onto Galron(just for you marci) :^). Kop's reads are pretty out there and I think thats town+ so ehh

why so quick to analyze that like that? what made it out there?

The SB9 Sr(which not many ppl support atm)

[HockeyFan]

Im putting marci in LOCKTOWN ftr(yes i am pocketing you)

[HockeyFan]

ok fine, todays the day, where I will finally pivot onto Galron(just for you marci) :^). Kop's reads are pretty out there and I think thats town+ so ehh

why so quick to analyze that like that? what made it out there?

The SB9 Sr(which not many ppl support atm)

oh just read that . galron had the same take which is why i townread them. what is the difference between kop and galron then?

that would just then make salsa outted scum in the world of galron / salsa / kop

Galron is scumming sb9 kek? Ok, well, im not gonna locktown them off of that(thier wagon still looks enticing), but i dont sr them either ftr.

[HockeyFan]

Sadly I think everyone SRing me might be town (hockey, kop, galron and that's by order of certainty (we're leaving roden out of this so yall can ro3 me)). I wish we could lim Goofball but that doesn't seem like it's happening. I think my early solve with a 0% confidence is T3 NM and one of STD/titus

i dont sr u wht lol

[HockeyFan]

Subtract hockey from the towncore actually

RUDE. Also I tr'd SF's slot, im not tring N_M as much. T3's in the towncore now, so im feeling good with a 4 person towncore, might just lolhammer this :^)

[HockeyFan]

hero solve N_M/Titus/{Gamma/Galron}

[HockeyFan]

TOWN:
people in towncore except SF -> T3 because of his content/tonal(688)

TL:
Grandpa, feeling a bit better about this slot now that hes expanding his horizions in terms of reads
DBG- dk how to read this slot but its a slot thats clearly LH(light hearted) so thats town
STD- The wind takes me to TR this slot

Nulish Town:
Kop- My scumcase tbh was over a whole misconception, and he responded well to it IMO. He also just doesnt have alot of posts lol.

Scum: My hero solve (in post 1439)
Dont have much reasons for any of them except N_M(whos scum claiming) but its pretty much POE

[HockeyFan]

stealing hammer from all of you

VOTE: Not_Mafia

If this flips town, I think im still good with my town core, might have to switch my null/leaning town reads but we'll see
If this flips scum, well i think generally everything stays the same but Kop gets +scum equity

[HockeyFan]

wait, that wasnt hammer, got scamemd smh

[HockeyFan]

sorry been a bit busy with school, will try to catch up later tonight. from a quick read im feeling better about gamma today then i was yday

[HockeyFan]

see, I WANT to sus Titus, but it feels too easy since other ppl jumped the gun sussing her early d2. Ftr, idk why DBG is getting this many top townreads from d1, I still have them at nullish. I think my vote rn is somehwere between Kop/Galron

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: T3

Time to reset baby!

This comes from town

sb9 was
1. Limbait later in the game
2. Not actively pushing people
While he

did

scumread me, he wasn't actually pushing me.
The only reason I can see scum killing sb9 was because they thought he was PR or they thought it would frame me.

Ok scum

Also since now we know that Salsa/NM was just mis-elim bait, I heavily doubt the entire scum team was on the wagon. It's a cliche for scum to stay off mis-elim wagons for town cred but it literally always happens.

GrandpaMo, marcistar, Save The Dragons, Kop, Galron

These five were off wagon. There is at least one scum here, possibly two.

Agree with this.

[HockeyFan]

I think Mo's town(this is 100% a gut read)

[HockeyFan]

help i'm drowning under the weight of galron's 0 scum reads

VOTE: Kop. Hi, whos your vote today, has your read on Titus changed?

[HockeyFan]

help i'm drowning under the weight of galron's 0 scum reads

VOTE: Kop. Hi, whos your vote today, has your read on Titus changed?

i'm voting galron

titus giving me bad vibes but i think she's one of those people that always give me bad vibes.

oh mb, the question wasnt meant to be posed to u(didnt mean to quote the post), but thanks anyways for answering it, can u expand on the Titus SR

[HockeyFan]

The people on this wagon are ppl i like as town but I still dont like the galron wagon itself and idk why. Like I'm down to vote Galron but I really dont want to atm

[HockeyFan]

The people on this wagon are ppl i like as town but I still dont like the galron wagon itself and idk why. Like I'm down to vote Galron but I really dont want to atm

Why not? If you're willing to vote me, why not now?

Because I thought u could have townspewed/slight chance u are townspew.

ftr, Galron basically scumclaimed with his check, but too early to hammer imo

[HockeyFan]

I want the check tho smh

[HockeyFan]

although checking roden for the "possibility" of him being vigi is ehhh

[HockeyFan]

ok nvm im fine revoting this, @roden, PREPARE for hammer

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Galron

E-1

[HockeyFan]

GALRON CLAIMED ODD NIGHT GUNSMITH ON RODEN, A CLAIMED PR. HE CLAIMED THAT HE WANTED TO CONFIRM RODEN AS TOWN EVEN THOUGH MAFIAS GIVE THE SAME RESULTS AS TOWN PRS. WHEN ASKED HE WENT OFFLINE

[HockeyFan]

I think im feeling good with a town core of T3/Roden/Marci/STD and maybe sprinkle Mo in there

[HockeyFan]

There is literally a confirmed mafia on the wagon if that is the case. So we should use the time to deciher pairings / interactions of whom that be.

ill probably iso some their interacitons later

I want to hammer here.

Anyways I agree with that post for the most part. Im hunting more for town atm tbh, and I feel super confident in my town core, so mafia is just everyone else

[HockeyFan]

i think titus's vote was hammer right?

[HockeyFan]

Fuck

[HockeyFan]

is my towncore wrong

[HockeyFan]

because Gamma wasnt in my towncore and flipped town

[HockeyFan]

Like its probably just an overreaciton tbh, but meh w/e

Galron seemed super paired with Kop imo. Dk who 3rd scum is tho

[HockeyFan]

T3, what is your solve

[HockeyFan]

Grandpa, u can say that was a fake townslip and i'll let it slide btw

[HockeyFan]

you should take a look at who died last night

oh.

well that's awkward.

:/

k... just forget everything i said regarding gamma

anyways i think my reads still the same

pedit; nah dont read it as a slip, i dont like when ppl do that shit. just dont read to much into it pls

How are your reads the same LOL. also lets talk about your reads. You anti pair me with T3 yet u think i could be mafia with them in a world of 4 like ??. And now that you KNOW that gammas dead, your reads should change no? Like u had Gamma has indivually scummy AND part of your solve, shouldnt your solve change?

[HockeyFan]

is the solve really {Titus/Gpa}/Kop? Lmao.

T3 is so fking town rn holy shit. I disagree with his Titus TR, but alas.

[HockeyFan]

is the solve really {Titus/Gpa}/Kop? Lmao.

T3 is so fking town rn holy shit. I disagree with his Titus TR, but alas.

im never allinged with kop here hockey...

Why tho? Im aware you've pushed him but idt that means you guys

arent

paretns. Lets say fine, I get convinced that you 2 are not paired, u 2 are still INDIVUIALLY sorta scummy(i have u in my solve mainly cuz of POE tbh). Idc about pairs rn

you should take a look at who died last night

oh.

well that's awkward.

:/

k... just forget everything i said regarding gamma

anyways i think my reads still the same

pedit; nah dont read it as a slip, i dont like when ppl do that shit. just dont read to much into it pls

How are your reads the same LOL. also lets talk about your reads. You anti pair me with T3 yet u think i could be mafia with them in a world of 4 like ??. And now that you KNOW that gammas dead, your reads should change no? Like u had Gamma has indivually scummy AND part of your solve, shouldnt your solve change?

they are the same because gamma was accounted as individually scummy (honestly thought they were PR; them flipping vt is eh). the only reason gamma could be in a solve if there is a world of 4. but now that cant be true >> due to the fact that gamma flips town. so we are probably in a world of 3 atm. anyways lets stop talking about hypotehticals becuase gamma flipped town. and i was just wrong

Can you restate your solve? cuz iirc your solve inlcuded me/t3/gamma when u SPECIFALLY said that me and T3 are anti paired.

[HockeyFan]

then who u think is mafia? Kop and ?

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: kop

[HockeyFan]

I sr Kop, iffy of thier claim, but Titus is also iffy and Titus is not in my TR's so ......... deicisons

Hm, i will unvote them for now

UNVOTE:

I will wait to vote Grandpa until they post more

[HockeyFan]

Kop dipping after claiming a role, and not bothering to defend is super ?? but I will still wait to hammer?(think next vote is hammer) not sure

[HockeyFan]

tempted to put it at e-1.......

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Kop

[HockeyFan]

first

[HockeyFan]

also, the fact that people in my towncore keep on dying, my towncore is now locked and cant be changd(ftr it looks smth like {T3,STD} and Gpa on the outskirts of it. Solve is in Titus/DGB? actually nvm i might be wrong on STD lol, so only t3's locktown for me

[HockeyFan]

Ftr I havent softed my role much which is my L but I am a one shot even night cop; I used N2 on Gamma :\

[HockeyFan]

Ftr I havent softed my role much which is my L but I am a one shot even night cop; I used N2 on Gamma :\

why u check gamma?

because I wasnt sure on Gamma's alligment and it would helped if there was another person in my town core. idk why gamma got killed lol

[HockeyFan]

It's very unlikely there are 3 gated investigatives in the game.

so you're the fake one

[HockeyFan]

I mean ok ig this made it easier? minimum 1 scum between {Grandpa,T3,me}(if both gpa and t3 claimed PR as scum and t3 ccd his own scum partner, im gonna eat a sock) and 1 scum between {Titus/DBG/STD} right? Out of the 2nd group, STD seems the towniest, so Like from my pov its a 50/50 between T3/Gpa and another one bwteen Titus/DGB, fuckkk decisions, I hate it here, why didnt I just check titus n2 like i wanted to LOL

[HockeyFan]

what the fuck

[HockeyFan]

why cant mini normal just be mountainous . Also im inclinced to believe Titus's claim here because why would scum!tittus add herself to the sus pool of prs for no reason.

[HockeyFan]

Grandpas gonna say DBG btw so he can get a MC on DBG

[HockeyFan]

huh? Ok so are you just scum and was i right in saying that Titus's claim is real? Is it really {Gpa/T3} + DBG lol

[HockeyFan]

i did soft a bit in 1741 btw. I was mad that Gamma was dead since I just wasted a check