Newbie 2078 - Game Over

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I read all of that as alignment indicative. Titus town

VOTE: Dew

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Mods have all the power, steal pagetops from the rich to give to the poor. Then rob the poor for not being poor anymore.

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Also fun fact: I was one of the SEs for Datisi's first game on site! They grow up so fast.

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I'll be able to put some effort towards this game tomorrow or Tuesday morning the latest.

Thoughts with no further context:

Titus town
Grandpa iffy
Dorsey slightly townie
Alwaysnever slightly above dorsey
Greeting is meh
I had something about uhuh but immediately forgot what it was
Dew I've got nothing

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Oh, I remember now, I liked uhuh trying to get a more precise articulation out of Dorsey.

Greeting has the worst non RVS vote up to this point.

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Catching up.

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Busy, understandable. still though.... your opening posts are off somehow....

expand on that read?

five post in short succession, barely half is what I can consider "content" rest is filler, it might just be your style but it doesn't feel good for me

you're not the only one though with off-putting posts, but the rest haven't posted as much

because i was in rvs?? you have to realize, that was my first couple of posts. i do this in every game. its nai.

Was 38 RVs or a legitimate read?

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Assume that I know the answer.

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Oh, I remember now, I liked uhuh trying to get a more precise articulation out of Dorsey.

Greeting has the worst non RVS vote up to this point.

Do I, though?

I don’t know the playing style of people in this forum. However, if I did and played a game with them, attempting to get a read on their alignment would be my first move. Dew, if I’m not mistaken, is a newbie, like me. It seems odd that Titus went after them before checking out the rest of the semi-experienced players. Interestingly enough, Dew has two votes as of now, and Titus moved their vote for someone else. Way to draw attention to a random player and go back into the shadow.

My vote stays where it is, unless something convinces me otherwise.

Well considering the vote on Titus followed after your rvs vote I'd make the assumption your read on Titus is semi-serious. If that's the case there is a lack of critical thinking (that may be the wrong phrase and it may be a lack of articulation).

What about Titus pointing out inconsistent voting is scummy? What does it imply about Dorsey's alignment?

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because i was in rvs?? you have to realize, that was my first couple of posts. i do this in every game. its nai.

some people have posted more, and you're right, it's NAI, but I'll keep my other eye on you still.

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

Now, now. I'm actually still waiting on A to Z's slot so that I can properly assess everyone, but we still have days until Day ends, so I don't mind waiting. I'll reveal my standing on y'all then

I'll be able to put some effort towards this game tomorrow or Tuesday morning the latest.

Thoughts with no further context:

Titus town
Grandpa iffy
Dorsey slightly townie
Alwaysnever slightly above dorsey
Greeting is meh
I had something about uhuh but immediately forgot what it was
Dew I've got nothing

Can you at least give some clearance over why I'm above dorsey or why Greeting is 'meh'?

I've moved you back to null actually.

I thought your push against grandpa was promising but we didn't actually see the same thing. With that in mind I have to take the interaction at face value where I wasn't initially if that makes sense.

Greeting is meh because his vote on Titus is really weak but it doesn't definitely mean scum and I've got bigger fish to fry.

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also random gutreads:
grandpa mo is weird
dew is neutral
dorsey is probably the scummiest rn, but don't really wanna vote em yet (mostly bc i don't wanna omgus, but also because it's really early to put them at plur)
alwaysnever is pretty townie to meh, as is uhuh
titus is town.
finally, RCEnigma is neutral, but slightly town-leaning.

Newbies might have changed but I don't think plurality is a thing in this queue.

What's wrong with OMGUS on your seemingly strongest scumread?

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SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

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That doesn't hold up, grandpa is an SE too lol.

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I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

How does scum won't bus this early translate into Dorsey!scum?

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I guess I just don't know what content is, because none of what's been presented has looked damnable to me. It might not be RVS, but it's definitely a half-assed voting stage - maybe that's the transition period.

("For once"? How long have we been playing together?)

And Titus's Post 89 is jumping into the middle of a conversation and taking it out of context. TL was saying my vote wasn't RVS (it was) and Post 68 was me challenging his push to retroactively declare that. Are games typically this opportunistic?

Titus post is more of an informative one nothing more nothing less, which is how I'm taking it.

Once someone breaks up my pagewall of posts I can get into what I'm viewing as content in terms of indicative behavior or at the very least "clues" towards alignment related tendencies.

But Titus isn't wrong, RVs isn't a set deadline and can be longer or shorter for different slots. It's solely for producing content from an information barren gamestate. This can be from reactions, logic lines, vote movements etc.

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SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

thats litearlly what i said lol

i said all the se's are town here lmfao.

and it just seems im getting shit pushed rofl

That doesn't hold up, grandpa is an SE too lol.

well im being scumread for literlaly no reason -- look back on the reads, its like i have to explain in baby steps

i dont think this is the case? mind responding to 105?

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In most mafia games I've played, nobody had anything on Day One. I don't believe one can get a strong and very credible read unless they know the other players gaming style really well. Since Titus is apparently an older member and Dew a newer member, it struck me as odd that they tried to get a read over something like that. sure, it was RVS, but the mafia participate in that as well. And their votes will not be so random.

i do this all the time. honestly the first 10 pages or so can be incredibly alignment indicative.

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VOTE: Greeting

On board with this. I can't really make heads or tails of their logic. My gut says it's just because our interests don't align.

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SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

thats litearlly what i said lol

i said all the se's are town here lmfao.

and it just seems im getting shit pushed rofl

That doesn't hold up, grandpa is an SE too lol.

well im being scumread for literlaly no reason -- look back on the reads, its like i have to explain in baby steps

i dont think this is the case? mind responding to 105?

u dont think we are all town? also i implied the answer in post 115

i said it was a post to generate content so half serious / half rvs.

No that was directed at the "I'm being shit pushed for no reason" bit.

In the same vein that you're crediting Dorsey with a guilty conscious you're in the same boat with your reaction. Neither dew not Dorsey threw a vote down on you.

Also like, my issue with the read that dew/Dorsey aren't aligned is that it doesn't make sense for the interaction, not at the time it was made and not now. It feels forced. Town wants to get out of RVs yeah but it's posed in a way that seems like "town would do it so if people see I'm making 'content' then I'd seem town".

Does that make sense? You yourself don't have any confidence they aren't aligned or you would have put down a vote on one of the two. If you had meant that you don't think they are partners from the interaction then it's a whole different story but that's not how you posed it or went about engaging the slots.

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Cool, wanna shotgun some reads for me?

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What do you mean by too much variance in play?

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If you claim we'll all massclaim, totally cross my heart.

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If always flips town then we yeet always/grandpa/tl/dew in not that particular order but it's 2/4 scum with 0 night action input. Even if we miselim D1 and d2 there's 2 scum left in the pool of 3.

On the other hand we could flip always first and if they flip red the last scum is in dew/Dorsey. Pretty confident grandpa would be town with that flip and always chainsawed them on the back of the non-aligned read.

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There were only 3 when it was originally posted? And one was an rvs vote in the first place.

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Meant greeting.

If you flip red then your push on grandpa becomes an alignment indicative association. Challenging grandpa on that read implicates one of Dorsey/dew since the intent to downplay the read is to discredit it. Which scum wouldn't have an incentive to if both were town. It makes grandpa town in that hypothetical world. He is as of right now in my Poe as I stated before.

That changes on certain flips being certain alignments so in general preflip associatives are not a good tool to build reads with.

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It's not so much dew has x associative and Dorsey has y. It's just that one would be town in the crossfire of a soft partner defense and it could be either one of them.

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And I don't like that RCEnigma is trying to make me scum with AlwaysNever, but the logic he put forth made sense.

Is......is your partner someone else?

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Fwiw Dorsey you're tied for my top town and honestly I will always have an asterisk next to Titus unless mechanically clear just because I know she has the potential to be very sneaky scum. As of right now she isn't playing to the scumgame I'm familiar with.

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What's the one Titus scumgame you're familiar with, for starters? I'm curious cause it's like she's somehow... restrained herself in her latest posts

You're gonna get me nk'ed bud. Titus town. But if you want a game for reference off the top of my head Boon Warz has low effort Titus!scum for comparison.

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UNVOTE: Greeting

I has theory.
I needs sleep.
Will review tomorrow.

VOTE: TL the legend

That's likely either a wolfy pop on or a wolfy bus.

Plus the sass rarely comes from scum (could be coached but still).

Be careful posting in the future Greeting. If I was the mod, I would not have edited your post unless the content was 18+. I might have spoilered obnoxious gifs. I have no idea what you meant but I guess the mod determined your error wasn't content.

My current theory is TL plus greeting. TL should claim.

I'm gonna need some context here.

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That wasn't the right statement to make. I don't need context I need an explanation for the logic gap. I get the TL pop in being gross, Agreed. I get Greeting being towny by proxy (not via the attitude), not really agreed there but I get it. I don't get the jump from TL scum greeting town to TL scum greeting scum.

If you thought greeting could still be scum why the wagon switch?

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Yeah I thought there would be confusion, I'm directing that to Titus about her read going:
greeting!scum -> greeting!town/TL!scum ->greeting!scum/TL!scum

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What is the universe greeting is town in? Because, yes I had the thought that they could be partners but I'm gonna level and let you know I'm also starting to suspect you are chaining elims here.

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209 is very heavy handed for a slot either loosely involved in the game to this point or behind the rest of the town. Strong wording like "obvious scum" etc doesn't line up for a slot that hasn't put an effort into sorting any other slots and they aren't doing much to make themselves look townier either.

But it does look townie if they happen to go hard on a slot flipping scum. There is the chance you (greeting) are town here but then what's the point of TL hyperfocusing on your elim if it just trades 1 town for 1 scum D2. It's not an even trade for scum.

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There are only two slots that have brought up the possibly and neither is pushing the issue. But in general you should cover both probably angles and improbable ones as town.

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What is the universe greeting is town in? Because, yes I had the thought that they could be partners but I'm gonna level and let you know I'm also starting to suspect you are chaining elims here.

Fair but both of my theories depend on TL scum, hence why I want him first. If he's not scum, I need to reset. If he is scum, chaining is AoK by me.

I mean I don't know why I'm arguing against either elim I'm fine with both. But I'm recognizing Greeting can be scum independent of TL.

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I have like.....nothing to add really. Besides we need a consolidation on elim and I scumread more than half the slots.

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i could go for fried chicken.

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Greeting/TL has enough scum equity that regardless of the flip we aren't dead in the water AND town gets info d2 to figure out what's going on outside of those two.

TL isn't even willing to fight his wagon off so it's likely that's the eod elim anyways.

Also scum aren't willing to go toe to toe with me ITT and that's fine.

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Are you asking who I would elim out of that group?

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I'd elim uhuh out of that pool. Why those three specifically?

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79970

The boon Warz game I mentioned earlier with Titus!scum. It's the last time I played with Titus rolling red I believe?

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Hmm the elim pool should probably be TL flips town -> greeting, Grandpa, ?? TL flips scum -> uhuh, grandpa...game probably ends before a third candidate is needed.

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The point isn't necessarily to wagon everyone. You can't really suspect everyone in a given day either. Taking note of slots is fine but spreading focus can make it harder to pin scum down.

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I just thought it was weird that people were skipping over you

Well that's because I have a very obvtown mentality as town in newbie games. This means there are 2 possible realities. Scum are either newbies that lack the charisma to confidently push me without coming out of exchanges looking worse in a 1v1 OR Titus is scum and is going to nk me because it's easier than elimming me and I've been pushing a Titus townread from daystart.

Newbie scum could just nk me as well but you get the gist. It's not worth sharing or discrediting me and drawing attention if I'm not a slot that sees endgame.

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Lol is it just dew and TL?

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Consider this my intent to hammer TL by 9 p.m EST.

Last words and rituals should be spoken and danced by then.

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Err actually let's not end day till deadline on account of the V/LAs

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if we stall the elim till deadline theres only a 1 day offset for the v/las. thats better for all involved.

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[UhUhWaitAndSee/RCEnigma/Titus] I still think it's one of these

UNVOTE:

I'll humor you Dorsey. what makes TL town in this situation? or a worse elim than greeting? Im not looking for reasons he might not be scum. I'm looking for processes, behaviors, or thinking that indicates they're more likely town than scum. considering the unvote i'll ask you to do the same for greeting. then we can get into discussion on your elim pool.

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@UhUh - All those votes were the same person/slot.

@RCE - Honestly I'm hoping that he's scum so I look like shit for tomorrow to keep me from dying tonight. I don't see what he's done worse than the rest of this newbie playlist and I feel like he's low hanging fruit because he doesn't post. I have zero confidence in anyone on his wagon.

How does any of that make him town?

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.... Is your argument for Greeting over TL based on the fact greeting is defending themselves?

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Gonna be easier to work backwards so gimme a sec.

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I was looking through the wiki for it and didn't see any rules on it - if I were scum, could I go V/LA routinely to avoid suspicion? Is that fair game?

I guess, but would be in bad taste. Idk grandpa's situation but Titus takes a fair amount of V/LA time by the nature of her work but I think this V/LA is due to a scheduled mafiascummer meetup? I'm not entirely positive on that.

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- I wanted reads on the four players aforementioned because I felt they were floating by with no scrutiny. Other than RCE's reasoning, I don't see why this would happen. (But, even then, "they're scared of me" doesn't seem like that good of a reason if you're in a game full of newbies who don't know who you are.)

This wasn't about being scared of me personally but moreso the SE title. Newb scum are more likely to try and game other newb scum and avoid drawing the attention of the veteran players, naturally. Scumreading them knowing their alignment is an easy way to garner that attention.

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About RCE, im also really conflicted here lol

Like 107 seems town but 108 doesnt make sense imo. Exactly what "bigger fish" did you have to fry cuz atp u had no other solid sr's. 232 is also weird cuz why are u accusing someone of chainsawing, when u SR one of titus's lim pool. I may be missing some posts but u certainly didnt express 259 prior, what has made u sr almost half the lobby and who are your trs. What made u switch in 295 from Greeting/TL to Dew/TL?.

In 108 I was still pursuing the discrepancy with what Grandpa was pushing. Which was that there is 1 scum within dew/Dorsey but they weren't willing to throw a vote down in what would be a 50/50 shot to hit scum in their pool. It didn't line up with the confidence they had in that read at the time.

I'll reread 232 to give a more concise answer but I think it was about Titus setting elims up? I was exploring the possible world of Titus!scum and both Greeting/TL being town. Because instead of setting it up as "elim x and then reevaluate on d2" it was more along the lines of "If x elim is town then y is surely scum"

Half the lobby got scummy. Uhuh had dubious posting dew has been a nonfactor, Titus I have paranoia about, grandpa hasn't really left my scumpool. I haven't openly expressed updated reads but Dorsey and always never are fairly towny. They are the only slots I won't consider an elim on today at any rate.

Greeting + TL was never a pairing that I was pushing but was a theory I was willing to put some thought into after the fact because I thought their interactions at the time weren't great so I dove a little deeper to figure out why they actually pinged me weirdly then I presented it. Why did I put forward that dew/TL could be a pairing? Well I don't actually remember. Tried to go through their iso just now to jog my memory but no shot. Maybe it was just the thought that a partner going down would kill their drive to play?

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I am {assuming} this is a meme but what prompted u to say. IIrc u said somewhere that u have past experience with Titus, so is this general entrance town for titus?

No, I was being facetious.

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I never said uhuh was an SE.

Roles are chosen at random. An SE being scum in the handful of games you looked at vs the thousands of newbie games played on site doesn't make it any more likely that an SE is scum here in this game.

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Then who's your preferred elim today hockey?

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Semi content with figuring hockey out day 2

VOTE: Kenny sheep this.

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omg can we fucking vote either tl or greeting here like holy shit.

dont vote titus. never vote titus day 1. i have a good reason for it to. believe me

Agreed Titus is a bad day 1 vote.

Disagree dew is a bad day 1 vote and kennyk repping in and letting the deadline run down is fairly indicative. Convince me dew can't be partnered with either greeting or TL and I'll reconsider.

Hockey doesn't want to stick on greeting (possibly survivalist) but I'm willing to cross that bridge tomorrow so I gave him the out of a few wagon and there was no bite. This is a compromise that I'm willing to go for with the likelihood of hitting scum within the first 2 days being high.

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Sorry but I'm not willing to no elim over my pref being the elim

VOTE: Hockeyfan

Hopefully make it to day 2. There are some interesting eod things I want to discuss post flip

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Perpetual day 1

VOTE: kennyk

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I'm in the middle of compiling a larger post atm. My thoughts tend to be chaotic so I'm trying to put them in order.

Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

Did you get any message last night?

Ehh. I didn't want to be too explicit with it in order to not have you killed. But since you're asking directly,

a friendly bird told me that Titus is town

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wtf is this?

are you outting?

Now I'm starting to think whether I have been tricked into accidentally breaking the rules.

You did not. You shouldn't out (although it's totally legal) if someone doesn't ask. I asked you to out because your knowledge of a jailkeeper would have meant you were the jk or scum otherwise.

I don't like this from Titus. @greeting don't get manipulated from context here.

Because I thought the same thing that Jk could have been the choice >> that doesn't necessarily mean that person is JK. they still never fully claimed and I was still confused at the moment.

I don't know why you were so quick to assume that could have been jk >> I feel like you could be scum for pressuring a slot to out -- ur justification is still not completely justified due to confbias.

Titus didn't force Greeting to claim JK, they aren't even claiming JK.

Titus friendly neighbored greeting last night then asked Greeting if they received it today. Greeting confirmed, what are you even on about?

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The eod stuff I was talking about was Dorsey's vote shift onto hockey for the pocketing comment. It felt overblown even at the time but doesnt make sense at all. The only reason hockey went down there is we let deadline make a decision for us.

Dorsey could have easily voted kennyk, a slot that they have 0 strong opinion of vs a slot that they argued to be town in the 50/50 with greeting. If you think TL was the town in the 50/50 why would you settle for an eod elim on them over a slot you are having trouble reading anyway?

Dorsey pretty much lined up with every read hockey was coming out with and said ehhhh let's elim it anyway. Sketch.

But I'd rather talk to always right now. Do you want to talk about your softs yesterday?

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Hold off on JK outing just yet, we need to talk more about the setup. We can use it to our advantage. My first instinct is to keep jk unclaimed and they just crumb their n1 and at some point their n2. This keeps rolecop from making the kill since they need to hunt down JK.

Whoever the JK Target was can be ruled out as rolecop but can't be ruled out as scum fwiw.

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VOTE: unvote
Don't ask me how long it took to even just get the tags right. I'm getting old.

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Titus could have been more nuanced about it but I think she wanted direct confirmation. Greeting could have definitely been the JK Target making them the vanilla scum. I feel that's what she was getting towards at least.

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Also, how am I pocketing HockeyFan when he used the elims I proposed first and then went with neither?
VOTE: HockeyFan

Uhhhhh...... You know the things you've posted don't go away right?

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Titus - Can't be scum unless Greeting is also scum. (Is it coincidence that RCE and GrandpaMo didn't want to kill her? I'm assuming people are friends IRL or something?)

Nope, never met Titus in my life. However I have played with Titus before and she is easier to sort as the game goes on. Regardless of how many times I called Titus town day 1 I can't be sure and I did waffle a bit mid day. I can feign confidence though and it was slightly self preservation. Why are you upset that Titus!town isn't elimmable?

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a brownie point for you, keeping my one eye on you still

I'll keep one eye on you at all times

If they weren't specifically tracker softs I wouldn't necessarily press the issue. I think if the JK was on Always then it's worth outing since it would be a psuedo red check. If not then don't.

As of right now I think if Dorsey flips red always is town. Walking home right now so once I get some time I'll give more thought to that.

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Yes, which is why I post them, because they prove my point.

Also, at what point did I say I was upset about Titus being confirmed town? Your angleshooting is interesting and worthy of note.

Angleshooting isn't applicable here. That's more like when you use out of game info to make in game decisions.

Like speculating on when or how people pick up role pms, checking users other activity on site, etc.

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I find it hard to believe that both RCE and GrandpaMo coincidentally agreed not to elim Titus D1 without knowing her alignment. Idk if it's worthwhile to try to appeal to a player earlier on in the game.

Well.... This ain't my first rodeo, I imagine it's not grandpamo's either. Even though we haven't played together. How unbelievable is it truly that two SE's found ONE townie on D1?

I haven't ignored you on uhuh, I disagree your pool has scum in it, obviously because I'm in it, and you keep pushing that I have to be scum because I don't want to murder the other person in YOUR elim pool.

Idc about uhuh either way (that's not a personal thing you're a great person uhuh) because if they are scum they are the least likely of the two to escape an elim in eLo. Prioritize threats to town, elim said threats, pray, win maybe?

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had to iso myself to see if ive even brought my thoughts on uhuh up. I havent so fair enough.

Uhuh is a nonfactor is pretty much what it boils down to. 274 uhuh was tagged onto TL!scum just because I couldnt really find a partner that fit with TL anymore at that point in the game. Those two had the weakest interactions of possible suspects but that should have been the point I should have realized TL!Town in retrospect. cant be scum if you cant find a partner.

When I think of possible partner worlds, uhuh kind of falls to the wayside, likely due to an aversion to forming hard stances or just avoiding conflict in general. The same reasons you can tie uhuh with anyone are the same reasons you can tie them to no one. so it makes it difficult to differentiate between the two. whereas you have clear dichotomies like: you and I never being partners, or Grandpamo and kenny likely not being partners. So ive been more focused on distinct worlds i can prove or disprove with accompanying information.

alwaysnever and kennyk are at the top of my list, we kind of let greeting off the hook and i dont really recall why. uhuh is in the middle ground and then you, titus, grandpa all likely town or in titus' case confirmed. always could probably talk himself out of an elim so im still wary on if i truly believe hes scum, he was my top town going into the night even without the tracker softs in mind but that lines up too "coincidentally" with the setup we find ourselves in for me to ignore. Kennyk is 80% mech so it all looks like busywork while they wait on someone to lead a push. uhuh just doesnt have anything to read one way or the other but I find thats a semi common thing for newbies still finding their direction in forum mafia games.

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floaty non stances, low impact interactions, passive pushes. there isnt anything in their iso that says nah those two cant be together.

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I.... Don't care as much as you think I do. I haven't stopped you from pushing uhuh at all, I haven't said it's a bad push etc. At all.

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The way you're approaching me though is like I NEED to vote uhuh to prove I'm not with uhuh.

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besides greeting and titus, I want everyones next post to be a readslist. please thank you.

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Kind of forgot about this game.

The VC pretty much lined up with how I think both worlds line up. Going to take a deeper look into uhuh and alwaysnever so my next thought line is going to be multipost iso stuff.

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Dude...I wanted to elim you, stop making good posts like that.

Two things I wanted to address. If I'm scum and I thought you softed tracker in a game where there is for sure a rolecop. You're dead so there's that.

Also the uhuh logic doesn't *really* apply to you because there are still niche possibilities like you +Dorsey. Which could change today sure. But I don't have the same degree of confidence in saying that than I do saying uhuh and Dorsey are never aligned.

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VOTE: TL The Legend

Not in RVS anymore, what's the scum read?

Do you have any special connection to Dew? Is that why you're bussing her while targeting me...? I'm just spitballing here.

Mmm. Dew was RVS but I'm keeping the vote on for now.

So we're out of RVS because you say so? You literally just got here.

Legitimate reads are been made, so I don't disagree with them. Clearly the votes aren't random anymore.

No, there's no response to that because I don't know what you're saying. It just looks like you're not reading. You asking my scum read on TL The Legend kind of furthers this assessment.

OK, so I have read your iso again. I still don't get what you are trying to imply. Maybe when I do a comprehensive re-read I will, something I will try to do weekly, but I have already read through the posts once. You made only seven posts before that and so whatever it is it's not obvious, and there are no quotations in your posts so it is also not obvious what you are replying to in an iso.

If it is an RVS vote then it was getting past RVS by then. Hence, my original post.

VOTE: UhUhWaitAndSee

mmm. and?

That's how I feel about your ISO. All your posts are reactionary. Do you have reads on any players?

Well, yes, by the nature of post-RVS on d1 all posts are reactionary, that is where reads come from. You only really get into the game mechanics of things later days.

I don't have any particularly strong reads. IMO the exchange between TL and Greeting isn't particularly AI on day 1, but there are enough posts 'locked in' that better judgement can be made (in new light) on day 2 and onwards. Emphasis I place: I do believe Dew needs more scrutiny, mainly due to the low amount of posts so far.

Ugggghhhh I just went through and detailed like all of these posts but swiping back up to read from the top refreshed my phone zzzz.

The long and short is that Uhuh/Dorsey doesn't make sense as a team and uhuh had some good townie contributions here that aren't getting credit like : defending town!TL without using it as a springboard to buddy them (common scum tactic), genuine follow up to finish thought processes, and the snap back at Dorsey naked voting them seems pretty damn townie.

Also ruling out uhuh/dew. The trajectory from RVs to genuine vote/staying on the outside of TL vs Greeting/ bringing attention back to the dew slot instead of letting them lurk out all suggest not partnered there.

[RCEnigma]

I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

Comes off a little strange. Why the comment so far from elimination?

I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

Comes off a little strange. Why the comment so far from elimination?

Looks lamisty. Why are you supposing you'll flip? Do you feel scum are on your wagon?

Is this a reply to me or the original comment?

If you were in fact replying to me, I don't get it. What they wrote did stand out - why the comment about flipping town, when they're not on the edge of elimination? I mean...it's fairly obvious that one would claim to be town, nothing to really cause one to make an outright claim as such. It's just a little odd, I haven't read too much into it.

I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

Comes off a little strange. Why the comment so far from elimination?

Five votes are needed to vote someone out. I am at four atm.

Oh sorry -- I misread the poster, for some reason. Never mind, what you wrote reads fine now.

Is TL at E-1 now? You’d better elaborate fast then.

Huh, that wagon was fast. Some weird dynamics between you and TL.

So I'm comparing your E-1 vote against TL's.

Uhuh/greeting would probably make the most sense but even these interactions make me doubt. A lot less confident ruling this out than the other two though.

[RCEnigma]

We have 6 hours. I would prefer Dorsey alive.

Please someone break this deadlock though.

I would too but I don't really want to elim uhuh to do it.

VOTE: kennyk could go greeting also.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: kennyk could go greeting also.

now rlly sheeping me. when u said i could be scum?

rc u voiced ur concern on early day 1 that i could be one of the ses that are scum no?

and now u have the most identical solve to me. how come?

i've....called you town since then? why are you putting more weight on my first like 5 posts compared to posts from today?

[RCEnigma]

I jk'd uhuh n1. Check my D1 posts and you see why. I doubt with his limited impact that he was the target.

this mostly lines up but I figured you were implying I was JK'ed.

this is fine, we flip uhuh today then. If town flip kenny tomorrow. if scum jk myself or greeting (i'd prefer greeting obviously)

if you miss you die tonight but no pressure, outing your target before night doesn't damn us IF uhuh is scum.

[RCEnigma]

Dude...I wanted to elim you, stop making good posts like that.

why were u ever thinking bout always never here lol

always never is always town here lol

idk, I havent made any posts talking about my read on alwaysnever and i never will.

[RCEnigma]

cool, i'll be back to check on this in 1 hour.

[RCEnigma]

Well you'll have time tonight VOTE: uhuh

[RCEnigma]

I've got work in 20 but gpa is presumably around so I wouldn't panic yet.

[RCEnigma]

The order doesn't really matter, both routes win the game. VOTE: Greeting

[RCEnigma]

Want to apologize for the poor etiquette day 3, we should have used that time more efficiently with Titus still alive and speed elimming is a bad habit to give newbies.

That said I don't want to get fancy and wifom myself out of kennyk as scum 2.

I have like a small amount of paranoia about grandpamo but it's literally only "was he tmi'ing when he challenged me suspecting alwaysnever by saying he's always town here". Because there is the possibility he knows always' alignment.

More signs just point to kennyk as the last scum though. Grandpa already pointed out kennyk waiting for a second vote, I'd agree. Scum isn't in the position to make a move themselves and need town to make it for them.

Also no elim is always the right play here.

[RCEnigma]

I really thought tha Greetings could have been the one. But what really strikes me as odd is the fact, that that wagon got through so fast. No one doubted my theory of both mafia being on the Dorsey train. This doesn't feel good. So I had my doubts about Grandpa and RCE as they followed me more or less blindly and very fast. And both were on the train that hammered Hockey D1. As stated I think it is highly unlikely, that no scum was on that one. But on the other hand it is also possible, that if UhUh and Always were the scum team (both newbies) they tried to avoid just that.

Greeting didn't go down because of any case you had on them. Their association/votes already looked bad, the competing wagons day 1 looked bad for them, etc. It was either you or them and the order it happened in was mostly insignificant, it would have been a shorter game had we hit scum first instead of after but that's all.

[RCEnigma]

i guess what it comes down to for me are interactions and stances with uhuh. I dont think either kenny or always' interactions are very good (being nuetral on every single slot in the game is meh) but unlike kenny, always at least has town qualities elsewhere. the only real hardline kenny's drawn was with dorsey but that was moreso dorsey pushing the issue.

[RCEnigma]

if kenny is nightkilled then town probably just loses the game.

[RCEnigma]

Nah I woulda killed Kenny for the laughs.

[RCEnigma]

So I realize that EVERYONE has horrible interaction with uhuh especially day 1 in the sense that NO ONE interacted with them....like at all.

That said I'm confident in a Kennyk vote. I'll explain in better detail if this ends with towns win. If grandpa wins as scum here then I'll wear that egg.

VOTE: kennyk

[RCEnigma]

kennyk replaces Dew.
Prodding AlwaysNever.
The deadline for Day 1 has been unpaused.

GrandpaMo is V/LA until 9/17.
Titus is V/LA from 9/17 to 9/20.

Votecount 1.13

HockeyFan (4) -

Titus, kennyk, Greeting, GrandpaMo

Greeting (2) -

RCEnigma, HockeyFan

kennyk (1) -

UhUhWaitAndSee

Not Voting (2) -

AlwaysNever, Dorsey

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-09-19 10:45:00).

lol dew was such a low activity post. wtf are yall doing.

there is always 1 scum between greeting // tl's slot

lord

Big oof. Honestly this post convinced me you were town after uhuh flipped because it's just so weird for the last scum to make this comment on a non partner. But I guess in retrospect it's to keep a non participating slot alive for a miselim down the line. Fair play.

[RCEnigma]

Ironically, had Dorsey not JK'ed uhuh night 1 I would have nailed grandpa to the wall for the always kill lol.

Always being alive was another big reason I took him out of my scumreads.

[RCEnigma]

There were so many times my bells went off but always being alive and Titus being alive really put me in the mind state that last scum had to be a newbie that wasn't really familiar with forum PR hunting yet.

Defending Kenny (who had to be town if grandpa was scum) was also a good look at the time....but it shouldn't have been, that's on me. So I kind of biased myself into believing it had to be Kenny. Sorry bud.