Newbie 2078 - Game Over

[Dorsey]

Hey
VOTE: UhUhWaitAndSee

[Dorsey]

What's wrong with my profile picture?

[Dorsey]

I'm lactose intolerant - I hate chickens.
VOTE: A to Z

[Dorsey]

But it's not a guy! AND CHICKENS DON'T MAKE MILK!

Spoiler:

[Dorsey]

It worked! I've been practicing those.

[Dorsey]

VOTE: blazehdz

[Dorsey]

I would say never knowingly aligned. Are you calling Dew scum?

[Dorsey]

And if you're saying there's '1 scum in between', which one is the scum? And how are you drawing this conclusion? And why would the scum not be Dew if she initiated the interaction?

[Dorsey]

VOTE: TL The Legend

[Dorsey]

No, there's no response to that because I don't know what you're saying. It just looks like you're not reading. You asking my scum read on TL The Legend kind of furthers this assessment.

[Dorsey]

Do you have questions for anyone other than me...?

[Dorsey]

Do you have any special connection to Dew? Is that why you're bussing her while targeting me...? I'm just spitballing here.

[Dorsey]

So we're out of RVS because you say so? You literally just got here.

[Dorsey]

At what point did the votes become serious? Especially if no serious reasoning was given? Not rhetorical.

[Dorsey]

What I'm saying is there has to be some kind of transition point or period. How were we supposed to know that you weren't going to do RVS? And which one of my votes do you think was outside of RVS?

[Dorsey]

And who is "we"? You weren't here yet

[Dorsey]

I'm just going to go ahead and clear some stuff up, because a lot of this is not making sense and I don't know if you're trying to be humorous, but it's not translating.
@UhUhWaitAndSee
1. What are you talking about? I haven't understood anything you've posted.

@GrandpaMo
1. I don't follow your logic that one of Dew and I is scum because she said my profile picture was "sus"

@TL The Legend
1. How was my vote on you not RVS when you weren't even here?

@AlwaysNever
1. You answering for TL The Legend isn't valid for me. Also, the names you listed - their votes look random.
2. "Keep coming at TL" is an exaggeration and inaccuracy - I don't know if I can trust your judgement.

[Dorsey]

I guess I just don't know what content is, because none of what's been presented has looked damnable to me. It might not be RVS, but it's definitely a half-assed voting stage - maybe that's the transition period.

("For once"? How long have we been playing together?)

[Dorsey]

And Titus's Post 89 is jumping into the middle of a conversation and taking it out of context. TL was saying my vote wasn't RVS (it was) and Post 68 was me challenging his push to retroactively declare that. Are games typically this opportunistic?

[Dorsey]

Can you cite which post was desperate?

[Dorsey]

I think it's moreso about clarifying. I don't have the luxury of privileged information, which is why I ask a lot of questions about things that don't make sense (you can see that everything you quoted is a question, not an accusation). Also, my intent is to set town up for success in the instance I am eliminated by asking all the questions no one else seems interested in asking. I need the reasonings (or lack thereof) for my demise to be highlighted in stark contrast so the appropriate parties can be held accountable.

[Dorsey]

I'm doing my part.

[Dorsey]

@Titus: I don't know how to do what you're asking of me.

Hopefully some of the more exploitative players are becoming obvious

[Dorsey]

@GrandpaMo: You sound hostile. Please don't be upset. All I'm saying is I don't understand what you mean - can you dumb it down for me? You haven't been voted, you haven't been attacked - I'm just clarifying.

@Greeting: We don't use the L-word. Also, you're saying that I'm being paranoid without being able to cite where I'm being paranoid. Are you trying to penalize me for playing? I didn't know I was expected to roll over and die like a 'good miselim'.

[Dorsey]

@Titus:
Dew - One of the ones that I can't figure out if they're joking or not. Said that I was pushing them as scum (Post 98), but I didn't. Don't know if this vote on me is still RVS.
Greeting - I really don't like this slot. A lot of distracting images and pushing to end the day early. Also said I was being desperate but couldn't point to where I was being desperate. Definitely an exploitative slot. Pretty much confessed to voting me because I have the most

votes

posts in Post 120.
UhUh - I feel there's a

language

communication barrier here because I don't understand anything they post.
TL - Still don't like that he tried to tell me my vote wasn't RVS.
RCE - I like that they're talking and, judging from their posts, reading.
Titus - Nothing alignment-indicative. Feels like standard "Good SE" posting.
Grandpa - Wouldn't it be irresponsible to put all SE's as town? Don't scum need SE's as well? I still don't understand Post 38.
Always - Absent slot. Provided "gutread" but with no justification.

[Dorsey]

Which parts did you agree with?

[Dorsey]

Kind of offput by AlwaysNever and Greeting's recent responses to me, but I'm traveling and in a good mood, so I'll deal with that tomorrow. I'll make sure to find a computer.

[Dorsey]

Can I get people's opinions on these four players?
- UhUhWaitAndSee
- TL The Legend
- RCEnigma
- Titus

[Dorsey]

And for the players (TL The Legend, Dew) that are saying I'm "weird", can you elaborate? Which posts were weird and what was weird about them?
RE:My "privileged information" remark - that was intentional shade on the people who weren't asking questions and were just going with the flow, and shade on the people who were allowing that but coming for me for asking questions. ('Doing my part' was just stealing a pagetop because apparently that's what I'm supposed to do)

[Dorsey]

I feel like AlwaysNever's responses to everyone else in Post 137 was nice and placating, but edgier towards me. I don't know why responding to accusations (being "defensive"?) would 'rustle anyone's jimmies', and how can I be a pro anything when this is my second game? It just seems like a lot of extra for a guy I never addressed.

I don't know why GrandpaMo is so hell-bent to make me scum, first because Dew referenced my profile pic and now because Greeting is being opportunistic. And I don't know if Greeting being "petty" and not claiming is anti-town or if it's anti-game. Either way, I don't know what issues he's dealing with.

[Dorsey]

And I don't like that RCEnigma is trying to make me scum with AlwaysNever, but the logic he put forth made sense.

[Dorsey]

I'm still waiting to hear Titus's theory from Post 163. Or how she differentiated between TL being a 'wolfy pop on' or 'wolfy bus' (Post 172).

[Dorsey]

And idk why it would take extensive coaching to have someone not fakeclaim if they've not done it before.

[Dorsey]

It's moreso I had stuff to say about them but nothing to say about you.

[Dorsey]

But yes, we have a playstyle and personality difference. I have to defend a lot because people take pot shots because I post a lot and engage the easiest. It's more convenient for them to address me than to seek out the people who are lurking or who don't offer any opinions of their own.

[Dorsey]

Didn't know I was cutthroat tho

[Dorsey]

Which post was the theory

[Dorsey]

O ok got you

[Dorsey]

How would you have asked them

[Dorsey]

How am I 'misguided town' against Greeting when I never voted Greeting?

[Dorsey]

VOTE: UhUhWaitAndSee

[Dorsey]

@MOD: Can we remove the GIF from Post 217?

[Dorsey]

That's how I feel about your ISO. All your posts are reactionary. Do you have reads on any players?

[Dorsey]

You think Dew deserves scrutiny but you haven't asked her any questions?

[Dorsey]

Ok, that's cool, can I get your read on RCEnigma and Titus?

[Dorsey]

[Dew/Greeting] or [UhUhWaitAndSee/RCEnigma/Titus]

I'm still trying to make sense of how the thread lulls when certain people are the wagons as opposed to others - I don't know if that's when scum get complacent or when they've given up because they're defeated. The fact that UhUhWaitAndSee, RCEnigma, and Titus haven't received scrutiny but we're comfortable ending the day is curious to me.

[Dorsey]

So Greeting out of [Dew/Greeting] - who out of [UhUhWaitAndSee/RCEnigma/Titus]?

[Dorsey]

Yeah, RCE

And okay, Always, I'm ready. I'd rather end the day while we're within prod range.

[Dorsey]

Those three because everyone else has had some sort of wagon/suspicion. And prod range = 36 hours so people can't stall an elim by not posting like my first game.

I'm fully vaxxed, but I feel like shit now. Is that normal?

[Dorsey]

Also I'll probably vote Greeting over TL. I don't know if low post count coincides with being an easy target.

[Dorsey]

I just thought it was weird that people were skipping over you

[Dorsey]

VOTE: Greeting

[Dorsey]

That's not true, Greeting - I said I didn't like your slot in 131.

[Dorsey]

I've voted for two people - how am I jumping at things too quickly

[Dorsey]

And, Greeting, you're a compromise because we have to get rid of someone and I'd rather get rid of you than TL

[Dorsey]

And you've both been at E-1, so I don't get where you're coming from.

[Dorsey]

That's cool, Greeting.

Curious to see UhUhWaitAndSee and AlwaysNever's takes

[Dorsey]

I'm cool with one of you guys bussing to make me look bad tomorrow lol Go for it

[Dorsey]

I answered your possibility with a possibility - I'm comfortable with the risk

[Dorsey]

That's a scenario to look forward to - one scum out D1

[Dorsey]

Vaguely specified?

[Dorsey]

[UhUhWaitAndSee/RCEnigma/Titus] I still think it's one of these

[Dorsey]

UNVOTE:

[Dorsey]

@UhUh - All those votes were the same person/slot.

@RCE - Honestly I'm hoping that he's scum so I look like shit for tomorrow to keep me from dying tonight. I don't see what he's done worse than the rest of this newbie playlist and I feel like he's low hanging fruit because he doesn't post. I have zero confidence in anyone on his wagon.

[Dorsey]

But thank you for "humoring" me

[Dorsey]

What's the difference between him and GrandpaMo who you were going to elim upon replacement?

[Dorsey]

Why are you now uneasy about eliminating TL

[Dorsey]

If not TL, then who

[Dorsey]

Who said I was trying to make him town? Idk what he is, other than someone who's not defending himself.

[Dorsey]

Thank God you're here

[Dorsey]

- I thought Post 89 was misconstruing my sentiments by jumping into the conversation midway through and attacking a statement out of context. Since Titus is an SE and wall-posted intelligibly for her first post, I thought this was done with awareness and purpose.
- I wanted reads on the four players aforementioned because I felt they were floating by with no scrutiny. Other than RCE's reasoning, I don't see why this would happen. (But, even then, "they're scared of me" doesn't seem like that good of a reason if you're in a game full of newbies who don't know who you are.)
- Edgier = meaner, but I didn't want to sound like a child. He said that I was cutthroat, though, so I guess that was his response to thinking I was an asshole. (Or am, I don't know if he still feels that way)
- I don't want RCE pairing me as scum because I'm not scum, but his reasoning made sense when I read it. I like RCE's posting style for the most part because he talks, but I have no reason to think he's town.

i didn't read the two previous posts yet

[Dorsey]

Post 139 is AlwaysNever's, not Dew's. RCE said chaining eliminations in 232, not chainsawing. I like what you're doing.

[Dorsey]

I was looking through the wiki for it and didn't see any rules on it - if I were scum, could I go V/LA routinely to avoid suspicion? Is that fair game?

[Dorsey]

Your wagon is V/LA, replacement, and survivalism.

[Dorsey]

But UhUhWaitAndSee isn't an SE

[Dorsey]

I was also looking back through some newbie games and it looks like at least one SE is always scum

[Dorsey]

'Newbies afraid of the SE title' doesn't explain why UhUhWaitAndSee wasn't scrutinized. Where was the game where all the SE's were town?

[Dorsey]

That's crazy timing, though. I say all of the SE's can't be town and GrandpaMo pops back up.

[Dorsey]

A to Z, blazehd, and TL the Legend (now HockeyFan) were all the same slot.

Does Titus still think HockeyFan is scum?

[Dorsey]

I'm good with HF's pool of Titus/UhUh.

[Dorsey]

The difference between TL and Greeting for me was Greeting's Post 96 and our interaction thereafter, as expressed in my Post 131. I thought Greeting was being exploitative and deceitful by accusing me of being desperate and then, when I asked him to cite where I was desperate, recanting in Post 118. Then, in Post 120, he said he was voting me because I had the most posts. I also had the most votes, so it was all very opportunistic to me. TL the Legend (much like his predecessors) just didn't post.

[Dorsey]

Do you feel like a slot repeatedly replacing out in a newbie means it's scum?

[Dorsey]

You went from one lurker to the next - why not go to UhUhWaitAndSee? And we're not elimming Titus because GrandpaMo and RCEnigma are friends with her? I don't understand.

"Believe me" is never believable, and yelling and swearing aren't convincing.

Also, how am I pocketing HockeyFan when he used the elims I proposed first and then went with neither?
VOTE: HockeyFan

[Dorsey]

Dew/kennyk - Why didn't you confirm until you realized you hadn't been killed? Also, your catch-up looks more like busywork to build post count than actual game assessment. Regarding Post 448, Post 219 didn't come out of nowhere, as expressed in Post 223 - UhUhWaitAndSee's ISO was lackluster. You did the same thing in Post 468, posting half of an old argument without addressing my rebuttal - I'd already expressed my dissatisfaction with Greeting prior to that Post 286, as can be seen in Post 290.

Greeting - I like the way you tried to soft Titus's claim.

UhUh - AlwaysNever highlighted in Post 391 that almost half of UhUhWaitAndSee's posts are responses to me - I feel this is because he's scum and therefore has been allowed to active lurk with no scrutiny. Even today, his go-to is to post a blurb about game mechanics as opposed to opinions of player slots.

RCE - Why didn't RCE start today with his 'eod postflip' stuff instead of that naked vote? Also, he's lying - I didn't vote HockeyFan over a "pocketing" attempt, I voted him because his wagon had more interaction and accountable history than kennyk's. I also voted it because he jumped over several applicable candidates for elim (my elim pool) to just vote another lurker. I also never said Hockey was town - I said I'd prefer to elim Greeting over Hockey, which was true, but the wagon wasn't on Greeting. (This is why I say just because RCE posts regularly doesn't make him town.)

Titus - Can't be scum unless Greeting is also scum. (Is it coincidence that RCE and GrandpaMo didn't want to kill her? I'm assuming people are friends IRL or something?)

Grandpa - What was the good reason you cited in Post 403 for never voting Titus Day 1?

Always - We're not at D1 again, we have a flip. Also, there's nothing to "excuse" about my play - what are your issues with it?

Still think scum is in here [UhUhWaitAndSee/RCEnigma/Titus]. If it's not Titus, then it's still one of the other two.

[Dorsey]

Yes, which is why I post them, because they prove my point.

Also, at what point did I say I was upset about Titus being confirmed town? Your angleshooting is interesting and worthy of note.

[Dorsey]

What's your read of UhUhWaitAndSee?

[Dorsey]

And are you willing to go there today since you skipped over them for kennyk for whatever reason yesterday?

[Dorsey]

Semi-V/LA for the weekend, but...
- Confirming there's no way RCEnigma and UhUhWaitAndSee are masons (I'm still trying to figure out why RCE is ignoring me regarding UhUh)
- kennyk thinks scum is someone who hasn't replaced (like RCE and UhUh)
- GrandpaMo thinks I'm dumb and my suspicions are stupid. Obviously, I disagree. Why do you think both of them are town?

I find it hard to believe that both RCE and GrandpaMo coincidentally agreed not to elim Titus D1 without knowing her alignment. Idk if it's worthwhile to try to appeal to a player earlier on in the game.

[Dorsey]

I find it hard to believe, which is why I said I find it hard to believe.

You have ignored me regarding UhUhWaitAndSee. You said you supported him trying to get me to articulate my RVS vote in your Post 56 and then put him in the PoE for TL scum in your Post 274, thus protecting him. You tried deflecting from him in Post 318 by telling me to prove TL was town (which was impossible), and then said that the reason you, UhUhWaitAndSee, and Titus weren't being scrutinized was because of the SE title (Post 356); however, UhUhWaitAndSee isn't an SE (Posts 359/364).

All I was asking you was for your read of him and why you would jump to kennyk's wagon over his - I never asked you to agree with my elim pool: I asked your

opinion

of it. I never asked you to "murder" (strong AtE word choice, btw) anyone - I just thought your actions were interesting and peculiar for someone who's supposed to be trying to find scum but looks to be taking the easy way out.

If you're prioritizing threats, what threat have your prioritized over UhUhWaitAndSee?

[Dorsey]

@Titus
GrandpaMo's 488 was a response to a misinterpretation (and he also called my "readlist" bad).
1. I can read - I know Titus is town and even said so previously in Post 470; I don't know what you're apologizing for.
2.

Why

are RCE and UhUh never paired? I thought providing reasoning was the whole point of the game.
3. You can't speak from my POV because you don't have my POV - I do and I already have that covered.

No one said RCE and UhUh should be masons, kennyk, but thank you for the filler.

[Dorsey]

VOTE: UhUhWaitAndSee

What are the "same reasons you can tie uhuh with anyone"

[Dorsey]

So you think he's above suspicion because he's

outsmarting you

outplaying you

laying low, i.e. not engaging, aka active lurking?

[Dorsey]

The fact that you can't make heads or tails of him leads you to apply zero pressure at all?

[Dorsey]

It's not clear how you thinking AlwaysNever was town before last night makes him scum today due to how "coincidentally" it lines up with the setup. Also, I don't see how you're making the determination to give UhUhWaitAndSee a pass for his posts but not kennyk when they're both newbies 'finding their direction in forum mafia games'.

[Dorsey]

Thank you for showing that I was right - I didn't say RCE and UhUh should be masons, I said it's confirmed that they're not so there was no logical town-oriented reason why RCE would protect him now that we know the setup doesn't include masons.

Yes, "and I thought I had unlikely theories" = filler.

[Dorsey]

Just wanted it written in plain text.

[Dorsey]

Which posts, Greeting

[Dorsey]

Which post did I not reply to

[Dorsey]

488

[Dorsey]

518 was what I got out of it and an address to GMo, who exaggerates everything with frustration and profanity. 523 was a clarification.

[Dorsey]

Are some of you guys in primary school

[Dorsey]

Pretty confident the game is solved.

How was I supposed to respond to that? What do you feel was left to be said?

[Dorsey]

So that's a no? No one's in primary school?

Are we voting for scum or just least popular? Because you explained nothing.

[Dorsey]

So you're voting me because you misinterpreted and don't like that I corrected you and because I attempted to understand why there's so much misinterpretation by asking demographic info about the audience that's misinterpreting.

Unless I'm... misinterpreting...

[Dorsey]

I just wanted to know why so many mistakes were being made. And if they were intentional.

[Dorsey]

I jk'd uhuh n1. Check my D1 posts and you see why. I doubt with his limited impact that he was the target.

[Dorsey]

Kill everyone on my wagon. To include townies lmao

[Dorsey]

My wagon is self-preservation and personality clash. Don't do their job for them - make them kill me.

[Dorsey]

Pretty sure UhUh knew I JK'd him and relayed in his scumchat to rally on my wagon. If you actually read through the reasons they used to vote me, you can see through the bogusness.

[Dorsey]

Don't you find it weird that we have claimed PR and they're still on my wagon

[Dorsey]

Lol, Greeting straight-up posted a gif and ghosted

[Dorsey]

@Micc: Were any of the second group I proposed in my PM scum?

So the answer was yes.


That was fun, I guess. Kind of a bit much.