Newbie 2078 - Game Over

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Greetings. Checking in. Will post pater!

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Oh, and I forgot. VOTE: AlwaysNever

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I'm lactose intolerant - I hate chickens.
VOTE: A to Z

LOL hates chickens, doesn't vote the guy with the chicken avatar. Our first inconsistency. Weak as hell but our first.

VOTE: Dorsey

Doing a scumread over that? That's bold of you hun. VOTE: Titus

Oh, and I forgot. VOTE: AlwaysNever

uhhhhh....

VOTE: Greeting

Hello there!

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Oh, I remember now, I liked uhuh trying to get a more precise articulation out of Dorsey.

Greeting has the worst non RVS vote up to this point.

Do I, though?

I don’t know the playing style of people in this forum. However, if I did and played a game with them, attempting to get a read on their alignment would be my first move. Dew, if I’m not mistaken, is a newbie, like me. It seems odd that Titus went after them before checking out the rest of the semi-experienced players. Interestingly enough, Dew has two votes as of now, and Titus moved their vote for someone else. Way to draw attention to a random player and go back into the shadow.

My vote stays where it is, unless something convinces me otherwise.

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Why does this day have to be so long? Let me re-read everything so I can contribute, though I still do feel it's quite early in the game to get a good read.

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I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

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Can you cite which post was desperate?

It's not really about any single content of your posts hun. You seem to care way too much to not get lynched, that's all.

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I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

I don't like the tone of this post.

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Oh, I remember now, I liked uhuh trying to get a more precise articulation out of Dorsey.

Greeting has the worst non RVS vote up to this point.

Do I, though?

I don’t know the playing style of people in this forum. However, if I did and played a game with them, attempting to get a read on their alignment would be my first move. Dew, if I’m not mistaken, is a newbie, like me. It seems odd that Titus went after them before checking out the rest of the semi-experienced players. Interestingly enough, Dew has two votes as of now, and Titus moved their vote for someone else. Way to draw attention to a random player and go back into the shadow.

My vote stays where it is, unless something convinces me otherwise.

Well considering the vote on Titus followed after your rvs vote I'd make the assumption your read on Titus is semi-serious. If that's the case there is a lack of critical thinking (that may be the wrong phrase and it may be a lack of articulation).

What about Titus pointing out inconsistent voting is scummy? What does it imply about Dorsey's alignment?

In most mafia games I've played, nobody had anything on Day One. I don't believe one can get a strong and very credible read unless they know the other players gaming style really well. Since Titus is apparently an older member and Dew a newer member, it struck me as odd that they tried to get a read over something like that. sure, it was RVS, but the mafia participate in that as well. And their votes will not be so random.

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

How does scum won't bus this early translate into Dorsey!scum?

Dorsey so far occupies one of the top spots in the tally and is in the spotlight. When re-reading the thread, their posts started to pique my interest somewhere around page 3.

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I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

Early bussing can be quite a WIFOM strategy, rather than a (ir)rational act. The mafia only can't allow themselves to be

eliminated

, but attention and bandwagons can go either way.

This is a newbie game. I’m willing to assume that intentional bussing with two mafia is too risky play and out of the question.

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I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

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Anyways, my vote stays at Dorsey.

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I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

Comes off a little strange. Why the comment so far from elimination?

Five votes are needed to vote someone out. I am at four atm.

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And yes, I'm putting them at e-1. If you wanna hammer them, go ahead; they're more than likely scum anyway.

Icky.

We wait for a claim before hammering. The theory is we don't want to flip a confirmable PR.

I’m going to be petty and not claim anything.

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I have quite a lot of thoughts with regard attempt to vote me out, but I think I'll keep them to myself for the time being.

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So thoughts so far:
Greeting's comment is really weird when they're only at e-2, and no one else seems too willing to vote them. Post 143 seems like a classic scum tactic, that being the whole "i'm town, vote me and you'll regret it" thing. Their posts are all weird and I feel like at best, they're bad town.
Dorsey still feels weird to me but idk.
UhUh's posts are all just nonsensical to me. I can't figure out what the hell he's trying to say.
Everyone else seems town-ish, so I'm thinking scum has to be two of these three.
In light of this, I'm changing my vote to VOTE: Greeting

And yes, I'm putting them at e-1. If you wanna hammer them, go ahead; they're more than likely scum anyway.

(at least not for the time being)

Would you mind explaining how am I "bad town"?

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I have quite a lot of thoughts with regard attempt to vote me out, but I think I'll keep them to myself for the time being.

But why
I wanna know

It's too early for that.

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going afk until Monday so might as well share my thoughts now.

In hindsight maybe that comment at e-1 wasn't good, but i wanted to get the obvious scum out and I was saying that you shouldn't be afraid to hammer them because they're probably scum. I don't understand how voting a scumread automatically makes me scum though.

Would you mind explaining how am I "bad town"?

Have you not been reading or what? You've contributed basically nothing up to this point, your posts are really filler-y, and in general you act really scummy imo. the "bad town" part is saying even if you're town, you're not helping town out, and are actually harming us by leading us to vote a townie out.

ok i'll expand on this on Monday but that's all for now. hopefully i don't die by then.

Sounds like you have read none of my posts.

This isn’t satisfactory. VOTE: TL The Legend

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Is TL at E-1 now? You’d better elaborate fast then.

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I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

This is literally a vt claim here. So dude, chill out and claim. You are probably going to be the vote today and if you are PR, please don't throw.

But you not claiming + implying death = is most likely a VT claim / basic scum claim.

I wouldn't be to upset for this wagon.

Your posts really confuse me and I don't understand what you mean about 70% of the time, which is why I don't really interact with you.

I am not about to be voted out at this moment. And I don't think I should claim my role.

Removed GIF.
~Micc

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OH MY GOD. Sorry for that gif, I wanted to post Trisha Paytas I don't think I can edit this though.

This is super embarrassing

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Be careful posting in the future Greeting. If I was the mod, I would not have edited your post unless the content was 18+. I might have spoilered obnoxious gifs. I have no idea what you meant but I guess the mod determined your error wasn't content.

My current theory is TL plus greeting. TL should claim.

The gif was... inappropriate for this forum. Nudity was not involved but outside a very specific context it was profane. Thank you @Mod for removing it.

Also, TL+me totally makes sense when I just put TL in E-1.

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UNVOTE: Greeting

I has theory.
I needs sleep.
Will review tomorrow.

VOTE: TL the legend

That's likely either a wolfy pop on or a wolfy bus.

Plus the sass rarely comes from scum (could be coached but still).

Be careful posting in the future Greeting. If I was the mod, I would not have edited your post unless the content was 18+. I might have spoilered obnoxious gifs. I have no idea what you meant but I guess the mod determined your error wasn't content.

My current theory is TL plus greeting. TL should claim.

I'm gonna need some context here.

When replying to GrandpaMo I used a different gif than I meant to. The gif was embarrassing and inappropriate. @Dorsey asked the Mod to remove it and I am thankful that this happened or otherwise I would have to crawl into a deep hole and die of embarrassment there.

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Could someone please explain to me the theory about me and TL the Legend being scum together?

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The only way for this to make sense would be me bussing TL The Legend to make myself look cleaner. In my earlier posts I said that this is an unlikely strategy. So the meta is that I named the strategy and now I’m making it happen?

That is so far-fetched.

I still stand by my previous statements.

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209 is very heavy handed for a slot either loosely involved in the game to this point or behind the rest of the town. Strong wording like "obvious scum" etc doesn't line up for a slot that hasn't put an effort into sorting any other slots and they aren't doing much to make themselves look townier either.

But it does look townie if they happen to go hard on a slot flipping scum. There is the chance you (greeting) are town here but then what's the point of TL hyperfocusing on your elim if it just trades 1 town for 1 scum D2. It's not an even trade for scum.

Oh, so the other way around. It would make sense with me being on the chopping block, but the situation at the moment is that there's two votes on me and TL is one vote away from being voted out.

I'm still witholding my full thoughts on the current situation, but what I can say is that I think TL's behaviour with voting me out is opportunistic, given the fact that they made little to no contributions to the game earlier. They saw a chance to vote a townie out with ease and took it. That doesn't make him look very clean in my eyes.

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Well, it's Monday now. Where's TL? How long until this Day ends?

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What’s up with GrandpaMo? They make 15 posts in a row and then disappear for days.

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Also I'll probably vote Greeting over TL. I don't know if low post count coincides with being an easy target.

VOTE: Greeting

You haven’t voiced any suspicion of me and now you’re suddenly down to vote me out? Conveniently, when TL The Legend is at E-1?

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And, Greeting, you're a compromise because we have to get rid of someone and I'd rather get rid of you than TL

And you've both been at E-1, so I don't get where you're coming from.

That’s not a compromise. It would be a compromise if you voted for TL. You voted for a second option (me) which had two votes until now. That is really scummy behaviour. If TL is voted out and is scum, I’m coming for you next.

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I could still submit a night action, if I have one. Keeping up and remembering to post are the issues.

Is that a claim?

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Anytime I see @RCEnigma post this iconic song plays in my head.

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I'm cool with one of you guys bussing to make me look bad tomorrow lol Go for it

I said that I’ll be coming for you if TL flips scum. I’m not sure if he is, but there’s some evidence that might be pointing towards it, enough for me to jump on that wagon.

So by saying this are you implying that you will be bussed because you know that TL is scum? If you do then how and why are you not voting to eliminate them?

If that’s not what you’re implying then why make this post so early when at the moment you’re not in danger of being voted out?

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I answered your possibility with a possibility - I'm comfortable with the risk

You haven’t really left any hard clues as to whom you think is mafia. Someone before had characterised your playstyle as defensive, a statement I can agree with. Voting out a townie, as a principle, is not beneficial for town. TL did say that they strongly believe me being scum for some vaguely specified reason. If they’re town, they apparently are willing to sacrifice themselves to make their point. So, assuming that TL is scum and you are voted out Day Two, being town, what benefit would it bring?

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Prodding Dew.
Replacing TL The Legend.

Deadline is reset to 2 Days and paused until replacement is found.

Great, that’s what y’all get for not hammering. (That’s no snub to you, Micc, you did what you had to do.)

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Everyone has an equal chance of rolling scum. I don’t see anything more to it.

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to 382, honestly not much has changed here execpt gpa jumping into tl and uhoh going into Nullish Scum. Greeting also into null from nullish town

So yea my lim pool is {Tits,Uhuh}

Also, as a side note, my posting will be very limited this weekend since im going camping

Town Read:
AlwyasNever

Town Lean:
Dew

Nullish town:
Dorsey(ik i didnt express alot of my thoughts on this slot but I think thier progression has been semi-ish towny?)
Greeting

Null:
RCE
UhOh

Nullish Scum:
Grandpa

SL:
Titus

What good are those reads if you’re not voting for any of them?

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Umm, I mean hi HockeyFan, nice to meet you and all, but I have to take into consideration the fact that your predecessor was very suspicious and you inherited their slot.

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So this is it?

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Time goes by so slowly
Time goes by so slowly
Time goes by so slowly

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Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

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I'm in the middle of compiling a larger post atm. My thoughts tend to be chaotic so I'm trying to put them in order.

Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

Did you get any message last night?

Ehh. I didn't want to be too explicit with it in order to not have you killed. But since you're asking directly,

a friendly bird told me that Titus is town

.

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I'm in the middle of compiling a larger post atm. My thoughts tend to be chaotic so I'm trying to put them in order.

Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

Did you get any message last night?

Ehh. I didn't want to be too explicit with it in order to not have you killed. But since you're asking directly,

a friendly bird told me that Titus is town

.

wtf is this?

are you outting?

Now I'm starting to think whether I have been tricked into accidentally breaking the rules.

[Greeting]

I'm in the middle of compiling a larger post atm. My thoughts tend to be chaotic so I'm trying to put them in order.

Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

Did you get any message last night?

Ehh. I didn't want to be too explicit with it in order to not have you killed. But since you're asking directly,

a friendly bird told me that Titus is town

.

wtf is this?

are you outting?

Now I'm starting to think whether I have been tricked into accidentally breaking the rules.

You did not. You shouldn't out (although it's totally legal) if someone doesn't ask. I asked you to out because your knowledge of a jailkeeper would have meant you were the jk or scum otherwise.

That is correct, the nolongersupersecret info I may or may not have heard led me to deduce there is a Jailkeeper in the game.

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My apologies for inactivity, the last week tired me out. I needed some time to rest. Here are my thoughts.

First, some replies:

I do think the jailkeeper outing themselves and who they jailed is a good move but people may disagree.

That is not a good idea. If I didn’t know for a fact that you’re town, I’d be chasing you down for it.

I think you have to accept this as my playstyle. You refer to it as active lurking - I don't think so, but either way its just a playstyle. I like to rely on hard game mechanics, especially with PR info. I have a penchant for statistics: have a look at https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=83092. On d1 scum is only eliminated +0.9% to random (town is lynched 4.7% less than random, the balance is no eliminations). All the other days, it's a lot more favored to eliminating scum than random. Why? Power roles and working out the mechanics. And working out how those mechanics relate to posts made on d1 - even though what is worked out on d1 might be tenuous.

Think of it like the way you or GrandpaMo play, which I find inherently suspicious (I've talked about this earlier). But I don't have a meta to compare it with, so I am hesitant to scum read it. If there are posts that relate to the developing mechanics that I can link back, then I can say that you are more likely to be town or more scum. Hence the emphasis on figuring out the mechanics in the first place.

I can relate to this post. I use statistics only as aid, although I strongly prefer harder evidence such as votes.

Always - We're not at D1 again, we have a flip. Also, there's nothing to "excuse" about my play - what are your issues with it?

I've said it before in post 138. I still think the same. Because I know that these thoughts are colored by my own biases, I took the liberty of reading your previous game (2075) and of course I see that you are the same there.

If anything, most of your play have been individualistic, or at least against the flow of the game at that point, but does that make you scum? No.... maybe? On 2075, you did the same thing, going against the flow, but you correctly read who's scum, while still keeping the same tone. It makes me uneasy, cause then what would've happened if you are scum?

This uneasiness is why I said it's getting hard to excuse your play, cause considering you as town goes against my instinct, but I have to anyway, and this conflicting feeling grows ever more as the game progress. So each time you act just slightly scummy in my eyes, I would put you in my to-vote list/scumlean, even though logically you are about as town as me at this point

Basically, when it comes to you, my reads goes like this and it makes me uneasy


TL;DR I can't see you as town cause I got issues and I need to get over it

I also agree with this post. I will elaborate below in the reads section.

Second, some conclusions:

Since we know that there is a Town Friendly Neighbor and

some

role that blocked N1 kill, the only logical conclusion is that the setup of this game is B2. It is very highly unlikely that a mafia team would block their own kill as there is virtually no good reason for them to do so. Therefore, the town power roles are Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor and the mafia power role would be Rolecop.

Titus is confirmed town and obviously I won’t consider myself.

That leaves us with the following players, among whom 2 are mafia members:

Dorsey
UhUhWaitAndSee
kennyk
AlwaysNever
GrandpaMo
RCEnigma

@RCEnigma has a rather aggressive playing style and is bold with pushing claims. His assumptions regarding pairings are far-fetched which I think could be a curse of experienced players. I don’t think this is the type of conclusion you can make so early in the game and push with such certainty. I think RCE is most likely a cocky townie.

@kennyk - his predecessor gave us really nothing, so I focused only on kennyk's posts. I can see independent thinking (as in #494, #512) which I always consider to be more indicative of town rather than scum. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and leave him be. Also, tbf my meta might be far-fetched but an abandoned slot seems to correlate with a vanilla townie (I disregarded that Day One and it was a mistake).

To be fair, I think the two mafia members are somewhere in this pool:

@UhUhWaitAndSee - just wanted to ask. What happened to your reads in #291? TL is gone, which leaves me and kennyk as leaning scum in your eyes. Has anything changed? I like post #485 quoted above and the fact that we share an opinion (with AlwaysNever) about Dorsey.

@AlwaysNever has a rather chill and distanced playing style. They seem to be walking your own path all times. Although it’s not fully alignment-indicative, I find players with such a playing style more likely to be town than scum.

@GrandpaMo is really messy. Honestly, just reading their posts gives me a headache. It’s hard to make sense of them. I would say that they are hiding in plain sight in a bold and messy style. It’s a strategy I had used before in mafia games when I rolled scum and managed to pull it off more than once, so I know it can be done. Sometimes I think I could imagine him spinning the wheel to pick the mood to express in their next post in the game.

@Dorsey is one player I simply cannot stop finding suspicious. I don’t know if it’s just their playing style, which is making short posts which seem to contribute to the game but on the other hand aren’t bold enough to assume any responsibility for a mislynch. It gives off a vibe of someone who is participating… but not really. Like, I don’t sense any type of conviction about anyone or risk-taking. If we were at lylo, I’d perfectly understand. But our situation is not bad and we can

still

afford to be a bit risky.

Grandpa and Dorsey are the two that give me the most errrr feeling. VOTE: Dorsey

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besides greeting and titus, I want everyones next post to be a readslist. please thank you.

since you asked nicely....

Titus -

Locktown

duh

Greeting -

Townlean

*
I can't say much regarding them, but if certain other players flip in the color I didn't expect, or even roles I didn't expect, Greeting are instant scumlean to me. That is all I can say

Dorsey -

Null

I have said what I've said about Dorsey, putting him on null cause I still feel conflicted. I would say though, Uhuh and them are not aligned, I was thinking that they might be aligned with one of my other null reads but so far they've successfully acted in a way that led me to believe that they have no association with anyone, if anything the closest association people might give is me and them (RCE has made note of this in day 1) or titus and them, but Titus is confirmed town.

RCE -

Null

Dropped out of the townlean for now, since they pivoted to me for reasons I still can't understand (and taking what I never considered tracking softs seriously), but he might just be misunderstanding me. Still, he's going for a low hanging fruit like Kenny doesn't sit right with me, when there's Uhuh as well but he didn't consider him?

Kennyk -

Null

His slot previously, I've considered to be safe town if not null, but reading on his own posts, I would have to put him back to null for now because I don't find it as compelling to my emotion as Dew's was, but just for now.

Gpa -

Null.

..

.?

Gpa is confusing. Is he an aggressive town scumhunting the heck out of everybody? Is he scum trying to look like he's scumhunting so that's why he's aggressive? It seems like reading on some other games that this is what he usually plays, but he can really be the one I'm voting today, if not for...

Uhuh -

Scumlean

I am scared to vote for Uhuh, if only because Dorsey's adamant refusal to let him off the hook with his distant-style posts are starting to grow on me, and I don't like it when Dorsey's words started to make sense. Kinda felt like I was being manipulated into it, but they're right. Uhuh has been coasting, even his defense of him being more interested in mechanic doesn't really sit well with me, because he doesn't talk about it that much, imo. Reading their posts feels like reading a wolf watching for a town to make a mistake and jump on their hapless back.

TL;DR
I can get behind Uhuh or Gpa's wagon today, but Uhuh is priority

VOTE: UhuhWaitAndSee

well, since I've voted, I might just ask you guys some question cause that might generate content that I'm interested in seeing. If you guys have 2 people on your to-vote list today, which of them would you think is the possible rolecop?

These are the most non-read reads I’ve ever seen in a mafia game.

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Came upon me that you seem to ask for a lot of reads but don't seem to discuss them. My suspicions seem to be confirmed with a quick scan of the iso.

A lot of questions, not much analysis. A good way to gain towncred without really helping town.

Dorsey's reads feel more like replies than actual reads.
AlwaysNever's reads don't give too much to analyse.
I somewhat agree with your reads.

[Greeting]

A reminder to myself to check all possible pairings from my readslist. Perhaps this will help.

But I think that Dorsey and UhUh cannot both be scum. Either one of them is or none.

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Okay, so I'm basing off my reads list which excludes Titus, myself, RCEnigma and kennyk as either town or the least suspicious.

We have: AlwaysNever, UhUhWaitAndSee, Dorsey and GrandpaMo.

(as of this moment)

Green = confirmed town
Bold and underlined = Last counted vote as of the end of Day or the moment of creating this post

On Day One AlwaysNever voted:

Titus

,

myself

, GrandpaMo,

No vote

.
On Day Two AlwaysNever voted: UhUhWaitAndSee.

On Day One UhUhWaitAndSee voted:

Dew/kennyk

.
On Day Two UhUhWaitAndSee voted:

Dorsey

.

On Day One Dorsey voted: UhUhWaitAndSee,

A to Z/TL The Legend/HockeyFan

,

myself

,

A to Z/TL The Legend/HockeyFan

.
On Day Two Dorsey voted:

UhUhWaitAndSee

.

On Day One GrandpaMo voted:

myself

,

TL The Legend/HockeyFan

.
On Day Two GrandpaMo voted:

kennyk

.

Dorsey and UhUhWaitAndSee can't both be scum. To me it seems quite clear that they both want to eliminate one another.

AlwaysNever is inconspicuous. They're pretty chill and clearly know that this is just a game (no shade ) but my gut feeling says that they could go on and try bussing a fellow scum on Day Two. The final no vote on Day One and the reads list with few stances are all kinda sus.

If not Dorsey, I could switch to AlwaysNever or GrandpaMo. UhUh's last posts are giving me a townlean. Not saying that he isn't a potential suspect, but I think that the other three should be given more priority.

[Greeting]

We have 6 hours. I would prefer Dorsey alive.

Please someone break this deadlock though.

If not Dorsey, I can go for AlwaysNever or GrandpaMo. For reasons stated in my reads I'm not going after kennyk nor UhUh.

Tbf I think the most likely scumteam is Dorsey&AlwaysNever, Dorsey&GrandpaMo or AlwaysNever&GrandpaMo.

[Greeting]

Kill everyone on my wagon. To include townies lmao

Um, are you okay? Just asking.

[Greeting]

I jk'd uhuh n1. Check my D1 posts and you see why. I doubt with his limited impact that he was the target.

[Greeting]

Okay, so I'm basing off my reads list which excludes Titus, myself, RCEnigma and kennyk as either town or the least suspicious.

We have: AlwaysNever, UhUhWaitAndSee, Dorsey and GrandpaMo.

(as of this moment)

Green = confirmed town
Bold and underlined = Last counted vote as of the end of Day or the moment of creating this post

On Day One AlwaysNever voted:

Titus

,

myself

, GrandpaMo,

No vote

.
On Day Two AlwaysNever voted: UhUhWaitAndSee.

On Day One UhUhWaitAndSee voted:

Dew/kennyk

.
On Day Two UhUhWaitAndSee voted:

Dorsey

.

On Day One Dorsey voted: UhUhWaitAndSee,

A to Z/TL The Legend/HockeyFan

,

myself

,

A to Z/TL The Legend/HockeyFan

.
On Day Two Dorsey voted:

UhUhWaitAndSee

.

On Day One GrandpaMo voted:

myself

,

TL The Legend/HockeyFan

.
On Day Two GrandpaMo voted:

kennyk

.

Dorsey and UhUhWaitAndSee can't both be scum. To me it seems quite clear that they both want to eliminate one another.

AlwaysNever is inconspicuous. They're pretty chill and clearly know that this is just a game (no shade ) but my gut feeling says that they could go on and try bussing a fellow scum on Day Two. The final no vote on Day One and the reads list with few stances are all kinda sus.

If not Dorsey, I could switch to AlwaysNever or GrandpaMo. UhUh's last posts are giving me a townlean. Not saying that he isn't a potential suspect, but I think that the other three should be given more priority.

this whole post is bad because u explain in the beginning that u were gonna give ur thoughts on kenny k but never do. and kenny k is the only one that u never give ur analysis on me but get a solve on alwaysnever or grandpamo as scum (which is funny becuase i tr always never)

this could be a possible perspective slip fwiw .

See #539.

[Greeting]

Oh well, I was wrong. Well, technically not very wrong since I did not remove UhUh from suspect list, but Dorsey did not lie about being JK.

What more can I say?

[Greeting]

Anyways, I’n vanilla town. Y’all can vote me out if you want.

[Greeting]

For reasons stated earlier.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

[Greeting]

For reasons stated earlier.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

hm wait., this is interesting.

why dod you scumread me, do u think i would hammer my teammate?

Yes.

You guys seem to believe that the voting tally is the absolute key to solving the game. This logic, although classic mafia strategies support it, has a major flaw - there is two other than UhUh players who voted Dorsey and only one

can

be scum per game mechanics.

I can see that some of you (RCE, AlwaysNever) believe that the game is solved, but if you’re wrong about kennyk (you clearly are wrong about me) then we lose 4 townies during the course of this Day, the following one and two Night Phases.

I’m not going to fight against myself being voted out - if that leads town to victory then so be it.

I saw Dorsey’s claim before I went to sleep and I just simply didn’t believe him. That’s all.

[Greeting]

VOTE: Greeting

i think we win this game.

gg

Since that was hammer, I can say that no, you voted out a townie.

[Greeting]

For reasons stated earlier.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

hm wait., this is interesting.

why dod you scumread me, do u think i would hammer my teammate?

Yes.

You guys seem to believe that the voting tally is the absolute key to solving the game. This logic, although classic mafia strategies support it, has a major flaw - there is two other than UhUh players who voted Dorsey and only one

can

be scum per game mechanics.

I can see that some of you (RCE, AlwaysNever) believe that the game is solved, but if you’re wrong about kennyk (you clearly are wrong about me) then we lose 4 townies during the course of this Day, the following one and two Night Phases.

I’m not going to fight against myself being voted out - if that leads town to victory then so be it.

I saw Dorsey’s claim before I went to sleep and I just simply didn’t believe him. That’s all.

this also doesnt answer my question maybe im not wrong

You'll find out soon enough

Maybe you guys are right about kennyk, since my other reads were clearly wrong. Don't trust GrandpaMo though.

Ciao!

[Greeting]

Ha! So my instincts weren’t that bad in the end.

Congratulations to UhUh and Gpa. You deserved your win.