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[MargotRosa]

Morning all! By which I mean evening

VOTE: T3

[MargotRosa]

Absolutely figures my luck that thread opens just as I'm about to head to bed.

Night all lol.

[MargotRosa]

Claiming compulsive fruit vendor. It's a miller here so yeah.

Tend to believe this claim.

Mafia vendors could have just sent fruit to each other. Town has no save target for their fruit.

Meh, there's both town motivation and scum motivation for this.

Nah.

I believe scum would be too paranoid of the attention they'd draw claiming fruit vendor when it's public knowledge there are 2 scum fruit vendors.

I do agree with this if it were someone not with a 2013 join date.

Yeah, this. All the post has done is let us all know Titus will be handing out fruit, while still leaving us none the wiser as to whether it's scum fruit. Would be very amusing if format has no Town CFV.

And agree that T3 probs town.

[MargotRosa]

My NM vote was RVS I thought that was obvious...

It was. Shrek’s posts look forced.

no they dont

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VOTE: 78

They kinda do tho

VOTE: Shrek

[MargotRosa]

My NM vote was RVS I thought that was obvious...

It was. Shrek’s posts look forced.

no they dont

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VOTE: 78

They kinda do tho

VOTE: Shrek

Ugh. Really need to start previewing my posts before posting them

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78

VOTE: Shrek

[MargotRosa]

Weak vote is weak.

Careful. Understanding how tautology works is a scum trait imho

[MargotRosa]

Careful. Understanding how tautology works is a scum trait imho

Just googled it.

Repeating the same word is not tautological.

Saying that a weak vote, ie. a vote that is weak, is weak, is a tautology.

[MargotRosa]

Careful. Understanding how tautology works is a scum trait imho

Just googled it.

Repeating the same word is not tautological.

Saying that a weak vote, ie. a vote that is weak, is weak, is a tautology.

Nope.

Using an adjective and then separately describing the thing using the same adjective is the most basic form of tautology.

Getting out of this while I'm ahead lol. It's been a wild week, and my mind can't handle this kind of weird nit-picking of definitions of words that I definitely know the meaning of lol.

Weak vote is weak.

Careful. Understanding how tautology works is a scum trait imho

Understanding logic is a scum trait?

No, but calling someone else's vote weak, and justifying calling it weak with a tautological statement is the kind of flippancy I expect from scum, and I wanted to see how they would react

UNVOTE: House

[MargotRosa]

You'll notice that even in the listed examples you provided, the repetition* occurs in different verbiage.

https://prowritingaid.com/Definition-of-Tautology

For your future reference <3

[MargotRosa]

Fortunately for you, for all this, I am getting a Town who enjoys irritating people for fun vibe, so I'm letting it slide lol

[MargotRosa]

VOTE: margotrosa

destroy the alt

I'm not an alt lol. I know T3 from first newbie game lol

[MargotRosa]

Honestly don't know. I'm losing my mind a little bit with lockdown in Sydney, Australia about to enter week 11 tomorrow

[MargotRosa]

Just out of curiosity, DGB... what is it about me that you don't like?

Personality? Playstyle? Existence?

I adore you but complaining about players handing out too many townreads on page 11 is scummy.

I never said anything about the amount of townreads.

I was referring to the WAY she townread me.

"Congrats! Here you go! Run along now."

Nah. It's more like "I was looking for a particular reaction to being hit by a couple of votes in the first few pages, didn't happen, so I backed off.

The vibe I reported isn't so much a Town read as a 'this is what I'd expect if someone was susceptible to reacting in certain ways and was Town' read.

[MargotRosa]

I still can't vote her, though.

I can. Why does she need to pacify you so early in the game unless she's scum?

Read 316. I'm good with that.

If I was more energetic and not about to go to sleep, I would make a meme of someone in an Akubra with "I'm baby" text on the front, with baby crossed out and replaced with Sheila.

Alas.

[MargotRosa]

Will always be pretty absent on Saturdays (only full day I spend with another person each week lol) but to give you all something to talk about in my absence:

VOTE: Alchemist


For someone who's vote is based on posts that look forced, there are a lot of forced posts in your ISO.

Only person to comment directly on both T3 spams, and an array of puns, dry jokes, and nothing comments to fill out a post count which contains maybe 10% (if I'm being generous) actual game related content.

Would link post numbers, but on phone and with partner.

See you all in a few hours x

[MargotRosa]

Will always be pretty absent on Saturdays (only full day I spend with another person each week lol) but to give you all something to talk about in my absence:

VOTE: Alchemist


For someone who's vote is based on posts that look forced, there are a lot of forced posts in your ISO.

Only person to comment directly on both T3 spams, and an array of puns, dry jokes, and nothing comments to fill out a post count which contains maybe 10% (if I'm being generous) actual game related content.

Would link post numbers, but on phone and with partner.

See you all in a few hours x

Either you and I have very different definitions of forced posting or you're just bullshitting here. Which is it? What makes you think a post looks forced?

In this instance, a scum who has to post to avoid looking scummy, but because they aren't positing for any natural reason, comes across as unnatural, out of step with the vibe of the game more generally, and without clear direction or motivation beyond looking Townie

[MargotRosa]

Can everyone who got fruit please claim?

[MargotRosa]

Part of me just realized, no matter who is scum, supposing a competent scumteam, no one else should have fruit.

Yeah, was just interested in confirming number of town FVs

[MargotRosa]

Reads list (in order):

Town/Town lean:
T3
Titus
Sbf

Null/Town:
N_M
Shrek
House

Null:
Dgb
iaaa
Chaos

Scum lean:
Cakez

Scum:
Alchemist

[MargotRosa]

Not that it much matters. Seems like we've more or less won anyway

[MargotRosa]

T3 was e-1 btw

I am more than very happy to hammer once we have Chaos' reads list

[MargotRosa]

Sizing up to be a very short game. Also, just wanted to say before nightfall, the album you've been linking DkKoba slaps hard

[MargotRosa]

I feel very uneasy about rushing our 3rd elimination. First two were freebies, but there are a lot of people acting veeery confident right now, and it pays to just relax for a minute. Personally I have a list at least 7 slots long of people I'm far from sure about.

[MargotRosa]

Alchemist fakeclaimed. Chaos outed & will die tonight. Last scum is either Cakez or DGB.

I think that sums things up.

Posts like this make me pause. Feels way too confident, especially given that Cakez, on d1 while LGW was on the way out, straight up admitted to mindmeld with them in 555 (which I remember someone else pointing out).

Aside from anything else, we're at d3, and spent almost twice as much time asleep than awake.

Again, LGW was a solid bet, and Alch was lock scum for me at least about halfway through d1. Can we spend some time actually getting to know everyone a bit and get some vibes going now that the two obvious scum have gone down?

[MargotRosa]

I feel very uneasy about rushing our 3rd elimination. First two were freebies, but there are a lot of people acting veeery confident right now, and it pays to just relax for a minute. Personally I have a list at least 7 slots long of people I'm far from sure about.

so everyone but you and ???

Only Town I'm completely sold on at this point is myself (obvs), T3, Titus and Sbf.

[MargotRosa]

I miscounted initially. My reads list atm, in no particular order, looks like this:

Town:
T3
Titus
Sbf

Null/TL:
N_M
Shrek

Null/SL:
House
iaaa
Cakez

[MargotRosa]

idk how you arent able to townread the people who literally turbolimmed the mafia pr or the person who the maf tried to counterwagon to save the pr

Yes, because jumping on an obvious and unstoppable wagon steamrolling down the hill is something that only a Town would do

Honestly, I'm a bit more suspicious of people who did jump on the obvious wagon once it became obvious than those who were more uncommital

[MargotRosa]

also you forgot dgb

ty. They are in the bottom (Null/SL) group

[MargotRosa]

idk how you arent able to townread the people who literally turbolimmed the mafia pr or the person who the maf tried to counterwagon to save the pr

Yes, because jumping on an obvious and unstoppable wagon steamrolling down the hill is something that only a Town would do

Honestly, I'm a bit more suspicious of people who did jump on the obvious wagon once it became obvious than those who were more uncommital

like how alch tried to sway the wagon away by voting for me when i tried to get NM to hammer?

If that was all we had on Alch, it'd be a bad reason to eliminate. Fortunately, Alch was obviously scum well before any wagon

[MargotRosa]

I must have missed the iaaa becoming conf town post. What happened there?

[MargotRosa]

[me, n_m, cakez, house, dgb]

who do you think is the scum there then

Of those 5, I'm currently least sure about House. He has the bravado of an overcompensating scum trying to seem like Town hero by making a lot of celebratory posts without having actually contributed much other than restating observations other people have already made, just louder

[MargotRosa]

idk how you arent able to townread the people who literally turbolimmed the mafia pr or the person who the maf tried to counterwagon to save the pr

Yes, because jumping on an obvious and unstoppable wagon steamrolling down the hill is something that only a Town would do

Honestly, I'm a bit more suspicious of people who did jump on the obvious wagon once it became obvious than those who were more uncommital

like how alch tried to sway the wagon away by voting for me when i tried to get NM to hammer?

If that was all we had on Alch, it'd be a bad reason to eliminate. Fortunately, Alch was obviously scum well before any wagon

???????

im literally giving an example of why being noncommittal doesnt mean someone is town and saying that since alch voted for me to try to sway things and not end the day then that clears me

Yes, but the point I was making is that, if the only reason we had to eliminate Alch was that they were noncommital, it would have been a bad reason to eliminate them. They were obviously scum for completely different reasons.

I'm just saying that being on, or off, a wagon isn't necessarily indicative of whether the slot is scum or town, and I seriously doubt that every scum in this game was playing to the same meta.

[MargotRosa]

I mean, we've had a good first few days, so we have some eliminations in the back pocket. I just don't want those two early wins to derail into overconfidence, expectations of victory, and then anarchy when the initial overconfidence doesn't pay off and a surefire Town win manages to go off the rails.

[MargotRosa]

alch wasnt noncommital though? he was actively trying to sway the wagon off lgw for any means necessary. neither him nor cakez voted for the obvscum lgw at all

Don't you think that's weird though, for no one in a scum team of three people to have voted in any of the eliminations in the first two days?

I need to dig up the stats thread that was posted in the strategy sub-forums, and which I was looking through the other day. TLDR; when a scum is voted out, and elimination occured at e-n (where n > 2), well over 50% of those votes had at least one scum in them, and in many instances (e-5 for example), scum hammered their partner in around 30% of votes.

We've had two eliminations, and you're saying that the two scum (and the one scum) took part in neither?

[MargotRosa]

Here's the thread, for any other stats nerds in the thread

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=87263

[MargotRosa]

Look at what she's doing, now.

Trying her damnedest to put hard town back in the lim pool.

That's scum shit.

You are so full of it, my god.

I am Town. I'm not role claiming unless people really want to press me on it.

This push by House is some straw clutching bull. I'm very on the same track as other people in this thread, and have been basically of one mind with Titus since mid d1

[MargotRosa]

ACtually, nah, fuck it, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, and I want everyone to be on the same page with respect to how crap House's push right here is.

Friendly neighbour. Visited Titus n1, and T3 n2.

[MargotRosa]

House, you have massively overplayed your hand. Cakez flips green and you are done

[MargotRosa]

Look at what she's doing, now.

Trying her damnedest to put hard town back in the lim pool.

That's scum shit.

You are so full of it, my god.

I am Town. I'm not role claiming unless people really want to press me on it.

This push by House is some straw clutching bull. I'm very on the same track as other people in this thread, and have been basically of one mind with Titus since mid d1

That's why

you've been on every scum wag

... nevermind.

Nothing to do with whether or not I'm on wagons, it's about whether or not I'm doing work for and with Town.

I, for instance, went through ISOs d1 and pointed out that Alch was clearly scum. You've been pointing out that X,Y,Z is scum because ez game.

Spot the difference

[MargotRosa]

Cakez is flipping town, though.

I agree he can't reach ELO. But that's not his fault. It's because this town is too shallow.

so whos maf if not margot or cakez

I told you who lol

VOTE: House

[MargotRosa]

so the lim pool is just house margot and cakez then???

In what universe is margot in the lim pool?

can you confirm that shes town? if yes then its just house and cakez

Titus crumbed, and T3 confirmed.

[MargotRosa]

I would say I hate to say I told you so, but that would be a lie.

Back to my default. Town has already decided to gamethrow, so do whatever.

Sorry,

you

told us so?

As in the person who has been acting like everything's a done deal, who refused to listen to Titus or I yesterday in slowing down for five seconds?

What a joke

[MargotRosa]

I would say I hate to say I told you so, but that would be a lie.

Back to my default. Town has already decided to gamethrow, so do whatever.

Sorry,

you

told us so?

As in the person who has been acting like everything's a done deal, who refused to listen to Titus or I yesterday in slowing down for five seconds?

What a joke

And bullheadeded players are going to forge ahead on their faulty assumptions despite being literally proven wrong yesterday.

See: MargotRosa

Case in point.

Honest question. If you knew they were Town, in your words, why did you hammer them?

[MargotRosa]

If you didn't hammer, and actually tried to talk people down, like genuinely, that elimination never happens

[MargotRosa]

Who has gotten fruit in the last two days?

[MargotRosa]

I feel very uneasy about rushing our 3rd elimination. First two were freebies, but there are a lot of people acting veeery confident right now, and it pays to just relax for a minute. Personally I have a list at least 7 slots long of people I'm far from sure about.

I feel very uneasy about rushing our 3rd elimination. First two were freebies, but there are a lot of people acting veeery confident right now, and it pays to just relax for a minute. Personally I have a list at least 7 slots long of people I'm far from sure about.

so everyone but you and ???

Only Town I'm completely sold on at this point is myself (obvs), T3, Titus and Sbf.

I feel very uneasy about rushing our 3rd elimination. First two were freebies, but there are a lot of people acting veeery confident right now, and it pays to just relax for a minute. Personally I have a list at least 7 slots long of people I'm far from sure about.

so everyone but you and ???

Only Town I'm completely sold on at this point is myself (obvs), T3, Titus and Sbf.

Honestly, even if House is a mislim, it'll be value getting him out if only because, thus far d4, he has obstructed and grandstanded his way to derailing the conversation away from discussing who scum is right now, to talking exclusively about why he's been the most trustworthy slot since d1, which he absolutely has not been.

I'm happy to have a conversation about who to eliminate, but cut out the trustworthier, holier than thou crap.

T3 could have been talked around. I'm certain Cakez could have been talked out of self-voting. I'm still a little bitter about Cakez' play yesterday, ngl.

[MargotRosa]

but you guys are being MEAN to each other……

She's still butthurt that I opened yesterDay voting her because of my overnight reading which showed her not only off both wagons, but with shit associations with both flipped scum.

Her being literally confirmed town is the only reason I'm not shoving her wagon down town's throat.

See, it's posts like this that almost make me think you are just really arrogant town. We're all trying to find scum, and you're pissed off that you can't vote out the person who put a little heat on you yesterday

[MargotRosa]

I didn't get fruit either

[MargotRosa]

Public Setup Information

~Multitasking is OFF

[MargotRosa]

So, there is a very easy way to conf town Titus without killing them today.

We get Titus to give fruit to somebody who is predetermined. If that person confirms they have fruit, and someone dies, Titus is not scum.

Scum cannot give fruit and night kill

[MargotRosa]

So why say multitasking is off?? I'm so confused

[MargotRosa]

Does scum necessarily have to target someone to give fruit to who isn't their target then?

[MargotRosa]

I am going to step away from this thread for the next half day at least. House, get your shit together. In that time, I want you to think really carefully about how you might change up your behaviour so as to stop being a massive cunt towards the one conf town in this game. I came on the site to have fun. This isn't fun for me right now. It's putting up with an arsehole who needs to wake up to himself.

I'm trying to give you your day in court. I haven't voted you yet, though lord fucking knows I should have. Calm down with the arrogant bullshit and start playing the game without the fuckery.

See everyone in a few hours

[MargotRosa]

I'm assuming that I'll be lim'd tonight, so for what it's worth:

Shrek > DrippingGoofball > House > Not_Mafia > Salsabil Faria > Titus

VOTE: Shrek

[MargotRosa]

VOTE: shrek

go n_m show these people to put their money where their mouth is

This game has been exhausting. Like, if you're Town, you have been going for quick tunnels, and the moment a tunnel isn't happening, you get twitchy to the point of self voting just to progress to twilight.

If we assume the best of everyone who is posting and say everyone who has at least two independent town reads is Town, that means current Town reads list is Titus, myself, Sbf, House, and Shrek. That leaves Dgb and N_M.

N_M has not posted enough to have an ISO worth diving right now. Dgb is the only one left.

I'm happy to eliminate Dgb and go from there.

I'm also going to lay all the cards on the table. I am not a friendly neighbour. I am a Neighbourizer. Won't say everyone that is in the neighbourhood, but Titus is in it. I had some niggling doubts when I brought her in, and probably would have brought House in but for the fact that I figured I'd get a clear picture of whether Titus was Town or not in the neighbourhood rather than out of it. That is about as deceptive as I get, and in this case I think it worked, and we have a neighbourhood that is only Town.

Tonight, I'm going to invite Shrek to the neighbourhood, which they'll get into irrespective of whether or not I'm eliminated. When you come in Shrek, you can read through and gauge whether or not Titus is Town. I'm happy to give Shrek a strong Town lean for now, and put my support behind the neighbourhood's inhabitants also. What happens tomorrow is up to whoever is still alive then, but would like a sheep on this vote please.

VOTE: Dgb

[MargotRosa]

To be clear, I also think that House is Town, and that Titus' conduct over the last day lines up with my initial Town read of her

[MargotRosa]

So, actual read list looks like this:

Town (in no particular order):
Sbf
Titus
House
Shrek

PoE:
Dgb
N_M

[MargotRosa]

Also, apologies to House. It is in fact I who was the cunt.

[MargotRosa]

I didn't share with her, because I wanted it clear to Shrek when they got into the neighbourhood that it was solely my decision.

[MargotRosa]

<3

[MargotRosa]

You know when things seem difficult to grasp, and then you look into it, and suddenly everything becomes very very obvious.

I just ISO dived Dgb and that happened.

To reiterate:
VOTE: Dgb[/vote]

[MargotRosa]

Ahh

VOTE: Dgb

[MargotRosa]

Literally, the only reason I didn't insta scum read Dgb was because they were making votes that made sense to me.

Looking back, especially on day 1, they hopped between everyone except scum, (save a period of about 11 posts worth where they voted for Alchemist before switching off and targetting iaaa for no reason. Of course they voted for people that made sense to me; they voted for practically everyone

[MargotRosa]

Metadiving Dgb may be like Roblox, but ISO diving Dgb is like the Genesis creation myth. No illumination until day 4.

[MargotRosa]

@Dgb what do you have to say about 1091 and 1093?

[MargotRosa]

I get why you would turn to AtE, and why it might feel like yiu're being targetted for inactivity, but there are legitimate reasons why you are being voted here. It's a bit disingenuous to consider getting FoS'd in this situation unfair and baseless

[MargotRosa]

That was nasty and uncalled for.

Been a bit of a theme in this game. Will not miss it when it's all over lol.

Take care. I'm sorry you had a rough go of it, and genuinely apologise for any contribution I made to you feeling that way

[MargotRosa]

Will probably due tonight. Let it be known that if I were directing the eliminations for the next two days, I'd vote out Shrek tomorrow, and either House or Titus on the last day.

Sbf is definitely Town. N_M is checked out, and very unlikely to be scum. I'd hate it to be Titus, because you've been conf town for me since D1.

Do with that what you all will

[MargotRosa]

Ok, so first off, I'm not dead, that's wild

[MargotRosa]

I need a hot minute to think

[MargotRosa]

This has the potential to be a big WIFOM moment

[MargotRosa]

The question is, who has something to gain from Sbf dying over me, the obvious target, dying?

[MargotRosa]

It's not House. At least, not for the reasons that Shrek pointed to imo

[MargotRosa]

VOTE: Shrek for now, and go from there

[MargotRosa]

I'm not policy eliminating with no other basis on the second to last day. I'd have been up to it a few days ago, maybe, but not now

[MargotRosa]

yeah, Shrek is gone today. I have some time to think during night phase

[MargotRosa]

Neighbourhood PT can be public

[MargotRosa]

Also, @Titus, I never meant that I felt bad about the fact that I felt manipulated. It was a really interesting learning moment, and generally a very cool game.

Like, I think at the end of the day, I Town locked you because you were nice. You played perfectly well, and genuinely good job

[MargotRosa]

I think Town wins if literally anyone else was the neighbourizer

[MargotRosa]

This is what happens when you discover mindmelding as a way to shake off losing the last game for Town, decide to try it out, and instantly mindmeld with scum

[MargotRosa]

It's fascinating. The reason I lost my last game was because I refused to trust anyone. I lost this game for the exact opposite reason. I feel like there is probably a lesson here somewhere

[MargotRosa]

Killing Shrek was the worst decision I made in this game by a country mile.

[MargotRosa]

Full disclosure: there was a mod error during prerand(role PMs were incorrect for compulsive modifiers) and during night 5 resolution. The latter was 100% my own fault and i wanted to make sure people are aware. I had randed a compulsive action for Titus when I should not have done so this way. Titus was to submit a list prerand and i was to follow it - which I did not collect.
This may have caused Titus to lose due to it randing to a dead player (the night kill) - so I apologize.

All g, don't beat yourself up over it.

It was a fun game, thanks for running. I particularly loved the music - had never heard of the artist before and have been listening to the back cataologue compulsively since d1

[MargotRosa]

Thank you!
His albums are available on Spotify for the most part, and Damn Skippy(which is missing from spotify) is on YouTube.

I've been listening through Youtube Music. I have the subscription there rather than Spotify, because I use the platform more, and I like the playlist functionality a bit better.

Take care, and well done again