Mini 2237: Scarlet Witch Alternate Reality Mafia - Game Over
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???In post 16, mastina wrote:Town.
similarIn post 16, mastina wrote:Scum?
not badIn post 16, mastina wrote:Scum.
why?In post 17, mastina wrote:Also, have a readslist.
Enchant
Not_Mafia
T3
cyrus62
CheekyTeeky
Guillotina
Galron
Zyla
MegAzumarill
Hiraki
Roden
Shrek
Town townread lean town nulltown null scumread/scumlean scum.
very badIn post 21, Enchant wrote:Why NM is town for post he does every game?
not as bad but not goodIn post 22, Roden wrote:It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.
weirdIn post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:Just vote her outta here, buddies likely above null.
25 is townpings
says person who continues to try and argue it through all of his posts so farIn post 29, Enchant wrote:But if it's your style of game, i am not gonna argue.
T3 is gonna be my confidante - i can feel it
???In post 55, MegAzumarill wrote:Bold assumption
????In post 66, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: t3 I think t3 is scum here he's already making excuse to scum read people but enchant could also be scum. Hoping for a flash elemation.
super badIn post 69, cyrus62 wrote:T3 is just my rvs.
agreed with this - the fact that enchant somehow thinks his play in this game is not a sole obsession of N_M is really disjointed. i'm starting to wonder if there's a reason for this.In post 87, cyrus62 wrote:you wanted a flash elemation on not_mafia hoping they would self hammer and I am stating why I won't vote there. Also starting a convo with you. Would you rather I push you?
after a pretty rough start, this is a great line of questioning from cyrus
yikesIn post 90, Guillotina wrote:In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.
If you are town you should be policy yote
If you are scum then you should be yeeted.
Scum
Rode
Cyrus
This game is gonna be easy
old man thinks it's just reaching rather than scum reaching. could be wrong later tho. i see worse people here for nowIn post 145, T3 wrote:The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.
they're the exact sort of bad RVS posts that i think actually have a very decent chance of scumtellingIn post 185, T3 wrote:Enchant has 5 posts and 4 are RVS. What did you find scummy?
- goes for the "haha public opinion am i right" sort of vibes
- doesn't relay any information
- tries to act like they're not doing exactly what they're doing
sure - could be wrong here but i'm betting on me
what does this mean?In post 191, Galron wrote:FLESHWAGON
after reading page 8, i agree that cyrus is LHF. can't 100% say he's town though so if there's a vig...
great postIn post 199, CheekyTeeky wrote:No don't do that. You could make this more productive by focusing on others instead of being focusing on yourself. It seems like you're townreading everyone pushing you by assuming they're wasting time instead of pushing ulterior motives.In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.
i don't think any of 245 is scum-aligned but i think it's terrible logic overall. zero explanation of a take? really? isn't that why i asked you for
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your
take? what would cheeky say to satisfy you? i can go one by one but it's not worth my timepre-edit:
...so you just admitted that you're just lucky? yikesIn post 247, Guillotina wrote:Because talent has nothing to do with knowledge.
just to be super clear here - this is in response to the point that this post has zero explanation -In post 248, Hiraki wrote:what would cheeky say to satisfy you?
this post is just talking about meta - what would you want? a meta case? would that convince you considering that you think the person is scum for already independent reasons?In post 204, CheekyTeeky wrote:I only have that one scum game to go off and I'm not seeing anything that different contrary to Shrek.In post 184, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)
don't worry - you're doing a great job of making sure that can't happen so farIn post 254, Guillotina wrote:Im sorry that you call my confidence ego. Don't let my shine opaque yours.In post 253, Hiraki wrote:you're out here throwing these dumb weird ego jabs and you can't take a pinch? understood for next time, i guess
where did you do this?In post 257, Roden wrote:I don't think I'm asking for a whole lot for her to explain what she sees as scummy behavior.
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????In post 291, Guillotina wrote:T3 could be scum, you cant scum read someone arriving at the same conclusion that you did, about the same player, when that someone concluded it before you. It does not make sense, it's a fake push.
yepIn post 299, Guillotina wrote:Even though you say i will not flip red?In post 298, Hiraki wrote:i am telling them to shoot you
the person who after 5 pages we have to have a discussion about ego from multiple people and has a wagon for super questionable reasons (ie there's no reason for it to really be there but it's pretty obvious why it's there)?In post 300, cyrus62 wrote:cuse town want town to shoot town sure i think this is a bad post.In post 298, Hiraki wrote:i am telling them to shoot you
it's anti-town play at the very best and extremely distracting from the focus of the game
1) not townreading youIn post 301, Guillotina wrote:Killing me while townreading me is play to lose or you are just scum.
2) don't lecture me on rules thanks
in hindsight, i don't like this phrasing but i think the gist is there that none of the votes on guillotina are convincing or feel genuineIn post 302, Hiraki wrote:and has a wagon for super questionable reasons
I don't see a scenario - unless Vision/Wanda have needlessly complicated powers - where Vision/Wanda are the bad guys in the game. Unless the whole point of the game is that since the townies are based off of Westview citizens, they'd also want Wanda/Vision out too. But that seems a little outlandish compared to the previous possibility where SWORD & witches are the teams.
I thought about it hard on why this role could exist...and I'm not seeing many town uses for it (again - under the assumption that V&W are town roles - if you flip this, the rationale is much weirder). That being said, I think it's a bold/weird scumclaim for D1 so I'm not really ready to hop on that train of thought too tightly.
Finally, I wondered what is the use of it at the end of the day. It's not a normal role which makes me think there are inherently non-normal roles in this game outside of the weak role.
Kind of just rambling at this point but don't have much time/energy to really correct any dumb setup mistakes here. Like I said I'm trash at that sort of thinking.
I thought about it hard on why this role could exist...and I'm not seeing many town uses for it (again - under the assumption that V&W are town roles - if you flip this, the rationale is much weirder). That being said, I think it's a bold/weird scumclaim for D1 so I'm not really ready to hop on that train of thought too tightly.
Finally, I wondered what is the use of it at the end of the day. It's not a normal role which makes me think there are inherently non-normal roles in this game outside of the weak role.
Kind of just rambling at this point but don't have much time/energy to really correct any dumb setup mistakes here. Like I said I'm trash at that sort of thinking.
Now this is interesting - you don't need to answer if you feel as if I'm prying here but have you seen the show and is this person a good SWORD person (i.e. Jimmy Woo or the lady at the end who helps out with the space tank)?In post 457, Enchant wrote:In my flavor, SWORD doesh't look like scum, because i collaborating with one of these agents. I even know this name, but i don't want reveal it yet.
Probably shouldn't have said that haha.In post 465, Enchant wrote:You are right.In post 461, Hiraki wrote:Now this is interesting - you don't need to answer if you feel as if I'm prying here but have you seen the show and is this person a good SWORD person (i.e. Jimmy Woo or the lady at the end who helps out with the space tank)?In post 457, Enchant wrote:In my flavor, SWORD doesh't look like scum, because i collaborating with one of these agents. I even know this name, but i don't want reveal it yet.
For the sake of this game, it's the 'good' guys that aren't actually good. That being said, Jimmy Woo is one of the actual good guys that are on the FBI rather than SWORD. Either way - important part is that he's not a bad guy.In post 466, Enchant wrote:What is SWORD btw?
even the nonsober part of me thinks that this is super fucking weird to claim. it's a name claim - it shouldn't have anything super significant to do with the game unless it's something that is rolefishing. the obvious example is if i claimed wanda and then the real wanda said wtf (please be super clear, i am not doing that and also am a little tipsy)In post 469, Roden wrote:Mine actually has plot relevance in the first episode and could easily be Masons with the character who plays his wife, so it would be so unnecessarily risky to fake claim this guy.
yo how did we add 4 more pages i want to go to sleep
Cheeky probably dies tonight sadge
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????In post 486, Roden wrote:I'm predicting a town loss at this point, y'all are letting scum control the narrative and trying to mis-elim a plot relevant flavor claim that no one else has CC'd.
i don't get how 'vision's boss in the first episode' is a plot relevant flavor. there are several other characters i could pick that are plot relevant - wanda, vision, not speedy (i am absolutely not going to look up the name in my state), bad witch, girl who gets powers, jimmy woo, anti-vision, vision, girl from thor - and you think person from westview is relevant?????? wtf??????????
correct - this is the exact purpose of a fakeclaimIn post 494, Roden wrote:*votes a non-CC'd townie who got meta'd as town*
UNVOTE: Enchant
i don't think that's trueIn post 504, Enchant wrote:NM probably even not here, but move was really ballsy for mafia.
i am on team please doIn post 525, Guillotina wrote:I intent to shoot Roden, i’ll give you time to decide whether i should do it or not.
i have zero intentions to join a T3 wagon. shit seems manipulated at best
my GUYIn post 542, T3 wrote:townIn post 457, Enchant wrote:I just noticed i am sitting here uselessly again.
In my flavor, SWORD doesh't look like scum, because i collaborating with one of these agents. I even know this name, but i don't want reveal it yet.
T3 flips town tho - why are you doing thisIn post 567, mastina wrote:Shoot Roden, eliminate T3, and that's 2/3 gone and flipped D1.
guilo please do not read into the ATE hereIn post 580, Roden wrote:Guillo, just shoot me.
@Mod: VC when you can?
my vote is pretty securely on roden atm without knowing our counts
In post 583, Hiraki wrote:i don't get how 'vision's boss in the first episode' is a plot relevant flavor. there are several other characters i could pick that are plot relevant - wanda, vision, not speedy (i am absolutely not going to look up the name in my state), bad witch, girl who gets powers, jimmy woo, anti-vision, vision, girl from thor - and you think person from westview is relevant?????? wtf??????????
Three things to note from this night kill (before I read anything) -
1) Flavor
2) Flavor also seems to imply that SWORD cannot be in this game - which is super weird to me. Maybe I'm just not getting the flavor or looking into it way too hard. The kill thread from above is showing that SWORD surrounds the townie's body. To me - it seems like this is taking place
3) There was only one night kill which kind of lends itself to a cult theory but could just be odd/even teams.
Regarding Roden (before I read anything) - I sincerely hope that scum is able to somehow 'fabricate' his role upon death otherwise I will probably never play with Roden again. I don't know any roles that normally do this offhand either because it's a weird thing to play around with balance-wise too. Lying about your role killed you more than your scummy actions and quite honestly may actually be detrimental to the game state. I'm very good at overlooking bad play for desperation. On the flipside, Guilo actually helped town in the end for whoever on earth would think that he could actually flip vig even after he retracted (which actually did a lot more wonders than it should have - credit earned where credit is due).
1) Flavor
may
imply that Wanda is not a town role.2) Flavor also seems to imply that SWORD cannot be in this game - which is super weird to me. Maybe I'm just not getting the flavor or looking into it way too hard. The kill thread from above is showing that SWORD surrounds the townie's body. To me - it seems like this is taking place
before
anyone can get in. But again - nothing I want to push there as of yet.3) There was only one night kill which kind of lends itself to a cult theory but could just be odd/even teams.
Regarding Roden (before I read anything) - I sincerely hope that scum is able to somehow 'fabricate' his role upon death otherwise I will probably never play with Roden again. I don't know any roles that normally do this offhand either because it's a weird thing to play around with balance-wise too. Lying about your role killed you more than your scummy actions and quite honestly may actually be detrimental to the game state. I'm very good at overlooking bad play for desperation. On the flipside, Guilo actually helped town in the end for whoever on earth would think that he could actually flip vig even after he retracted (which actually did a lot more wonders than it should have - credit earned where credit is due).
Potentially true - seems very odd though.In post 682, MegAzumarill wrote:My guess is a protective ability saved someone.
Also scumreading me for correctly calling out a lie is not going to help town.
True - but in the setup description, mod couldIn post 685, MegAzumarill wrote:Some other people were saying a cult isn't almost ever here.
not
confirm if there wasn't a cult.Play my thoughts a little - why does T3 kill Guilo? Or is he part of the other scum team?In post 688, CheekyTeeky wrote:Still strongly feeling T3 scum.
I think this is a little shallow thinking. I know where you're going but it seems way too convenient to be Cyrus here.In post 691, T3 wrote:VOTE: cyrus
Enchant is town. I will elaborate on this later but we should not lim Enchant.
ok my stock in cyrus-scum just skyrockted here. he clearly did not see the pullbackIn post 699, cyrus62 wrote:I can see why guilloton was shot going over this.
why this part?In post 711, mastina wrote:I'm incredibly skeptical of this "do not lim Enchant" claim.
I'm not sold on T3scum anywhere. Can you guide me where I might be lost? I also don't think Guillo was even close to the chopping block.In post 726, CheekyTeeky wrote:This is just not town T3, I don't care to play wifom. Why does anyone kill guillo when dude was probably next up on the chopping block lol.In post 715, Hiraki wrote:Play my thoughts a little - why does T3 kill Guilo? Or is he part of the other scum team?
correct but i also got those vibesIn post 805, T3 wrote:You do realize it is multiball.In post 783, CheekyTeeky wrote:Enchant likely town if T3 red imo. Fake associative when T3 feels he's going down.
pietro maximoff isn't even in the show - i just don't understand it from a plot perspective. the plot of the show literally has 'pietro maximoff' as some random dude from westview. he's not alive since avengers 2. i might be going a little hardcore on canon but it seems like a huge slip-up to me that you would say you're "pietro maximoff" rather than "pietro maximoff/ralph bohner" which is much more in line with other characters and claims so far -In post 806, cyrus62 wrote:I think this isn't town why would the mod lie about my role . As I said I'm wandas brother I am a citizen of westview and I don't know if I am in control of witch powersIn post 804, Hiraki wrote:I also want to say that I don't think this is N_M's town game. I am re-reading T3 to see if I can join but I still have super outstanding issues with a claim of Pietro Maximoff from a flavor perspective.
stack that along with who from a flavor perspective is able to be a partner with what would be the witch faction and it's literally just fake pietro and you've got nothing good from a flavor perspectiveIn post 386, Roden wrote:Btw I'm Todd Davis/Arthur Hart.
that being said, i don't know what the anti-town factions are so it could be 'agatha/random lady from episode 2 that i'm not going to look up right now' which is really the only reason i'm not tunneling but i'm getting pretty close to being comfortable
Shrek noticed it too but I don't think that did anything - hopefully. I feel like scumcyrus would just latch onto saying 'yes, yes, i am pietro maximoff/ralph bohner' than what i think he did which was double check his role PM to switch the orderIn post 807, Hiraki wrote:rather than"pietro maximoff/ralph bohner"which is much more in line with other characters and claims so far -
the part to note is that i was already saying that it was independently verified when it actually was not based off of the next step since as you noted the items were switched
could be thinking too hard into it though
not exactly but that's a little lore stuff that i don't think is relevant to the game - hopefully?In post 817, Galron wrote:So my reading has Ralph Bohner as the fake Pietro. And the real Pietro is Qucksilver. Am I right on that Hiraki?
correct - i am saying he would not take that step in order to just get the claim out of the way. it's not super solid ground but it's solid enough for meIn post 835, Zyla wrote:I'm not so sure tbh, assuming that scum has a provided fakeclaim - which I understand to be the norm for themed games from what I've read - wouldn't it be said the same way as a regular town role?In post 815, Hiraki wrote:I feel like scumcyrus would just latch onto saying 'yes, yes, i am pietro maximoff/ralph bohner' than what i think he did which was double check his role PM to switch the order
no - i think it would be super weird if mod didn't provide fakeclaims in this game. unless you're saying something else?In post 847, Shrek wrote:also this feels like MAYBE tmi????????In post 835, Zyla wrote:I'm not so sure tbh, assuming that scum has a provided fakeclaim - which I understand to be the norm for themed games from what I've read - wouldn't it be said the same way as a regular town role?In post 815, Hiraki wrote:I feel like scumcyrus would just latch onto saying 'yes, yes, i am pietro maximoff/ralph bohner' than what i think he did which was double check his role PM to switch the order
Is it a rule that you claim at E-1? Doesn't seem to be a rule for this game?In post 917, cyrus62 wrote:If enchant and nm play that way how do we get claims?In post 914, Hiraki wrote:It was going to be Enchant or N_M to be honest.
i haven't said anything about 9v2v2 as i don't see how that's possible with flavor and i don't see that based off of flavor in the current circumstancesIn post 950, Zyla wrote:Why would the game be over if we voted three people?In post 947, Hiraki wrote:prob meg after that if the game somehow hasn't ended
We know it's a multiball, and the most common assumption been that it's 9:2:2, so unless we get lucky and one of the scum teams kills their opponent, we'd need to vote 4 people off, not just 3
probably because y'all are just getting played by the 'oops!'In post 1040, CheekyTeeky wrote:Hiraki/Enchant are the only ones not mentioned. Enchant I'll discount but not sure why there's no read on Hiraki.
i'd like nameclaims at this point tbh. does anyone have a problem with this?In post 1058, Zyla wrote:To be fair, I actually don't know if the PM'd roles are worded the same as the revealed roles, since Tommy Maximoff doesn't have a non-anomalous counterpart