Mini 2237: Scarlet Witch Alternate Reality Mafia - Game Over
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This anit what I was typing. I ment mega. Not t3 . T3 is just my rvs.In post 66, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: t3 I think t3 is scum here he's already making excuse to scum read people but enchant could also be scum. Hoping for a flash elemation.
He's a Pokemon I don't trust Pokemon they have magic. All jokes aside with only 3 pages it's going take longer . But the way he states t3 always lock towns people feels he's just looking to discredit t3s reads alreadyIn post 70, Shrek wrote:ok explain your read on mega then
Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
Yes the auto correct on my phone has removed my words such as doesn't mean I don't dislike them.In post 76, Shrek wrote:didnt you just say you disliked the reads so early though???In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
you wanted a flash elemation on not_mafia hoping they would self hammer and I am stating why I won't vote there. Also starting a convo with you. Would you rather I push you?In post 86, Enchant wrote:... Okay.In post 81, cyrus62 wrote:@encant I kinda like not_mafia the way they quick hammer it's like a anti version of me I'm always to scared to hammer I'm like what if scum got them to e1 and I hammer and they end up being town. But it also makes it harder for scum to wiggle out.
Why you telling me this?
In post 90, Guillotina wrote:In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.
If you are town you should be policy yote
If you are scum then you should be yeeted.
ScumI said I would quick hammer yes I would I hate wall post. And that's how I feel I dislike the way she gave reads on page 1.
Rode
Cyrus
This game is gonna be easy
I said I would quick hammer and I would I dislike how she uses wall post and how she gives reads on page 1. FixdIn post 94, cyrus62 wrote:In post 90, Guillotina wrote:In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.
If you are town you should be policy yote
If you are scum then you should be yeeted.
Scum
Rode
Cyrus
This game is gonna be easy
I feel like you are setting up miselmation early.In post 93, Guillotina wrote:In post 20, CheekyTeeky wrote:And Cyrus?...and the null scums??
This is definitely scumstina.
VOTE: mastinaIn post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:Just vote her outta here, buddies likely above null.In post 33, CheekyTeeky wrote:Dammit I want to vote mastina again _-_ lolCheekyTeeky is the last scum. She spent the day so far shading Mastina but townreads me, me, who is catching wolves based on Mastina's RT. Fake.In post 83, CheekyTeeky wrote:...why am I awake reading this.
I'm feeling the Guillo town read, Shrek. I still can't decipher anything Cyrus says. NM locktown, Mastina can be town until I get paranoid around D3 and T3 idk.
You're welcome, sleep time hopefully for real ^.^
We got them! Bag them and ship them to the funerary, i expect to be no inated for best town performance in a game this year.
Scum
Roden
Cyrus
CheekyTeeky
It's how I read when I read I end up reading everything twice in order to find hidden agendas and wall post makes it easier to sneak these in with out catching it . Plus when on a phone it feels like they are twice as long . Plus it makes me read more and if we end up 150 pages with nothing but wall post there isn't a way to catch up in time before day's end.In post 96, Shrek wrote:why do you dislike wall posts?????
lol that's rich i will have to remember that for when I'm scum.In post 99, Guillotina wrote:I would day vig you right now if had such an ability. Im not setting up, I believe that you scumslipped.In post 97, cyrus62 wrote:I feel like you are setting up miselmation early.In post 93, Guillotina wrote:In post 20, CheekyTeeky wrote:And Cyrus?...and the null scums??
This is definitely scumstina.
VOTE: mastinaIn post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:Just vote her outta here, buddies likely above null.In post 33, CheekyTeeky wrote:Dammit I want to vote mastina again _-_ lolCheekyTeeky is the last scum. She spent the day so far shading Mastina but townreads me, me, who is catching wolves based on Mastina's RT. Fake.In post 83, CheekyTeeky wrote:...why am I awake reading this.
I'm feeling the Guillo town read, Shrek. I still can't decipher anything Cyrus says. NM locktown, Mastina can be town until I get paranoid around D3 and T3 idk.
You're welcome, sleep time hopefully for real ^.^
We got them! Bag them and ship them to the funerary, i expect to be no inated for best town performance in a game this year.
Scum
Roden
Cyrus
CheekyTeeky
So what's this slip me saying I would quick hammer? I stated why I would .In post 102, Guillotina wrote:In post 101, cyrus62 wrote:lol that's rich i will have to remember that for when I'm scum.In post 99, Guillotina wrote:I would day vig you right now if had such an ability. Im not setting up, I believe that you scumslipped.In post 97, cyrus62 wrote:I feel like you are setting up miselmation early.In post 93, Guillotina wrote:In post 20, CheekyTeeky wrote:And Cyrus?...and the null scums??
This is definitely scumstina.
VOTE: mastinaIn post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:Just vote her outta here, buddies likely above null.In post 33, CheekyTeeky wrote:Dammit I want to vote mastina again _-_ lolCheekyTeeky is the last scum. She spent the day so far shading Mastina but townreads me, me, who is catching wolves based on Mastina's RT. Fake.In post 83, CheekyTeeky wrote:...why am I awake reading this.
I'm feeling the Guillo town read, Shrek. I still can't decipher anything Cyrus says. NM locktown, Mastina can be town until I get paranoid around D3 and T3 idk.
You're welcome, sleep time hopefully for real ^.^
We got them! Bag them and ship them to the funerary, i expect to be no inated for best town performance in a game this year.
Scum
Roden
Cyrus
CheekyTeekyTranslation:lol you got me Master Guillo, i will remember not to make the same mistake again as scum.
that was becuse I didn't have a strong standing point I was trying to duplicate my town game note duplicate town game meaning that's just how I act.In post 110, Guillotina wrote:In post 72, cyrus62 wrote:Also I would hammer mistina if they reach e1 nm but be quicker then me . I hate wall post. And throwing out reads on page 1 is just disgusting.So in the first post you say you'd quickhammer Mastina for wallposting and because throwing reads on page 1 is disgusting.In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I don't dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
But in the second post you said it's NAI for her.
This reads to me as someone not willing to compromise on their read on Mastina to avoid heat, ending up getting heat anyway because of the contradicting nature of those statements.
That's a scum slip in my opinion, only trumped by Cheeky contradiction of hating Mastina's content and then townreading me when im using Mastina's content to read people off of them.
I would Yeet Roden then Cheeky then you, in that specific order.
he was using meta on a game he had already tanked to read me as scum here I am giving reasons why the meta is bad.In post 113, Shrek wrote:is this a scumslip??In post 112, cyrus62 wrote:that was becuse I didn't have a strong standing point I was trying to duplicate my town game note duplicate town game meaning that's just how I act.In post 110, Guillotina wrote:In post 72, cyrus62 wrote:Also I would hammer mistina if they reach e1 nm but be quicker then me . I hate wall post. And throwing out reads on page 1 is just disgusting.So in the first post you say you'd quickhammer Mastina for wallposting and because throwing reads on page 1 is disgusting.In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I don't dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
But in the second post you said it's NAI for her.
This reads to me as someone not willing to compromise on their read on Mastina to avoid heat, ending up getting heat anyway because of the contradicting nature of those statements.
That's a scum slip in my opinion, only trumped by Cheeky contradiction of hating Mastina's content and then townreading me when im using Mastina's content to read people off of them.
I would Yeet Roden then Cheeky then you, in that specific order.
this topic Carrys no wight here. This was all about a diffent game yes in that game I was trying to duplicate my town game . I feel Zyla is scum looking for stupid reasons to vote me to appear town like.In post 121, Zyla wrote:In post 60, Galron wrote:Good one, Sparky.In post 54, Not_Mafia wrote:That's because town are the majorityIn post 52, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record he's right more often than not.VOTE: Cyrus "I was trying to duplicate my town game" seems like the kind of slip scum!cyrus might make tbhIn post 63, Shrek wrote:who is sparkyIn post 60, Galron wrote:Good one, Sparky.In post 54, Not_Mafia wrote:That's because town are the majorityIn post 52, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record he's right more often than not.
Mastina on the other hand, I was leaning scum for a bit, but then I paid more attention her crumbs, and now I'm mostly thinking town aligned, since I've got two characters in mind that make sense, but I'm not sure because I... don't really know what *counts* as town as far as characters go
It's like walking in not knowing the full topic if they had read and followed they would have seen I was diproveing by meta. In the game of queston I had replaced in to a tanked slot and was trying to draw attention to duplicate my town game at the time . Then she jumped in thinking I was talking about this game which I wasn't so it's a stupid reason to vote me.In post 124, Galron wrote:Kinda depends. Zyla appears to know you a bit.In post 122, cyrus62 wrote:this topic Carrys no wight here. This was all about a diffent game yes in that game I was trying to duplicate my town game . I feel Zyla is scum looking for stupid reasons to vote me to appear town like.
Should have been bad meta not by.In post 132, cyrus62 wrote:It's like walking in not knowing the full topic if they had read and followed they would have seen I was diproveing by meta. In the game of queston I had replaced in to a tanked slot and was trying to draw attention to duplicate my town game at the time . Then she jumped in thinking I was talking about this game which I wasn't so it's a stupid reason to vote me.In post 124, Galron wrote:Kinda depends. Zyla appears to know you a bit.In post 122, cyrus62 wrote:this topic Carrys no wight here. This was all about a diffent game yes in that game I was trying to duplicate my town game . I feel Zyla is scum looking for stupid reasons to vote me to appear town like.
My phone put t3 it should have been mega.In post 134, T3 wrote:what the fuck tbhIn post 66, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: t3 I think t3 is scum here he's already making excuse to scum read people but enchant could also be scum. Hoping for a flash elemation.
This was a diffent game meta. Altogether .In post 108, Guillotina wrote:You did in that scum game you replaced me.In post 105, cyrus62 wrote:Do you honestly think I draw this much attention to my self as scum?
then this post came in to playIn post 112, cyrus62 wrote:that was becuse I didn't have a strong standing point I was trying to duplicate my town game note duplicate town game meaning that's just how I act.In post 110, Guillotina wrote:In post 72, cyrus62 wrote:Also I would hammer mistina if they reach e1 nm but be quicker then me . I hate wall post. And throwing out reads on page 1 is just disgusting.So in the first post you say you'd quickhammer Mastina for wallposting and because throwing reads on page 1 is disgusting.In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I don't dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
But in the second post you said it's NAI for her.
This reads to me as someone not willing to compromise on their read on Mastina to avoid heat, ending up getting heat anyway because of the contradicting nature of those statements.
That's a scum slip in my opinion, only trumped by Cheeky contradiction of hating Mastina's content and then townreading me when im using Mastina's content to read people off of them.
I would Yeet Roden then Cheeky then you, in that specific order.
Is thire a reason you don't defend your self?In post 153, MegAzumarill wrote:Is there a reason you like to repeat yourself so much Cyrus?
Some one told me scum use self meta. Town use others meta. So you using self meta makes you look bad.In post 167, Roden wrote:You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.
careful he used my meta one time to say I was scum when I was town.In post 172, Roden wrote:Nah, I do it all the time as town because my town meta is obvious. T3 also likes to meta dive so that's why I'm offering that to him.In post 169, cyrus62 wrote:Some one told me scum use self meta. Town use others meta. So you using self meta makes you look bad.In post 167, Roden wrote:You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.
I haven't been able to use my joke in a long time. I like to scum claim as town to see who is optonisic enough to go for it .In post 173, Roden wrote:LHF = low hanging fruitIn post 171, cyrus62 wrote:What does lfh mean?
You're the most likely fallback option if we can't come together on a vote.
How do you know it's scum on your wagon and not town?In post 179, Roden wrote:Only if scum doesn't actually intend to get me to E-1. Otherwise my wagon is pretty pointless.In post 178, cyrus62 wrote:Wouldn't that help scum more then town?In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.
Well that's why I asked how he knew it was scum pushing him and not town since I strong scum read you.In post 184, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)
I agree with this.In post 191, Galron wrote:FLESHWAGONIn post 185, T3 wrote:Enchant has 5 posts and 4 are RVS. What did you find scummy?In post 160, Hiraki wrote:old man thinks it's just reaching rather than scum reaching. could be wrong later tho. i see worse people here for nowIn post 145, T3 wrote:The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.
To be fair I was hoping for a lot more post from t3 by now and basically everyone else. But Cyrus you said it was wild and hard to keep up. Well I should have been more clear its wild and hard to keep up becuse every one seems to be scum reading each other rather then one individual or just a few at least and I'm wondering if I missed something . Plus I'm haveing a hard time reading in to mistina.
you know you kinda said the same thing in corno trigger about somebody who was town when you were scum well trying to aim at one of the other people just like your doing now . At t3 do a meta dive of mistina . Check the game corno trigger.In post 458, mastina wrote:Realtalk; are you reading what I am saying???In post 411, Guillotina wrote:That is even worse, I think both of them could be scum, associating me with them implies that I'm bussing my partners for no reason whatsoever. I've scum read them based on interactions with you and now YOU think I'm scum with them.In post 403, mastina wrote:I don't? You're mutually exclusive with both Roden and T3.In post 390, Guillotina wrote:Wtf? HEY! In what world do you believe that im scum with Roden?
The Audacity!
I said that you cannot be scum with T3.
I said that you cannot be scum with Roden.
You cannot be scum with either.
One of them being scum means that you cannot be on their scumteam.
One of them being scum means that you cannot be their partner.
However, this is multiball. Just because you're not scum with T3, and just because you're not scum with Roden, doesn't mean that you can't be scum.
You can be town!
If T3 and Roden both flipped scum, in fact, you'd be the hardest of hard clears.
But until such a time, you can still be scum. Just not WITH T3 or Roden.
(BTW phoneposting so forgive my slowness and bad formatting.)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87275 Here is the game .now to look for post
ok ok maybe you didn't say hardest of hard claims but you said auto a lot.In post 2375, mastina wrote:Well I more meant plenty of time left in the day phase to establish myself as nightkill-worthy. But while we're on the subject of that, I guess it does apply to the number of night phases I can have to get nightkilled.In post 2344, House wrote:Strange statement if that's supposed to be coming from a town perspective, considering there's only 1 scum left.
Obviously, if the last scum gets eliminated, then the game ends, but if we don't end the game today: I can die tonight.
If I live to see tomorrow, that's 5 alive; if the game doesn't end then, I can die then.
So less than I thought (for some reason I thought we had 9 alive so that there'd be 3 nights before lylo rather than 2), but still a long amount of time. I obviously prefer to be a bit more of a shortsighted battering ram of sorts, where I don't need to plan to the lategame since I intend to die or end the game with scum all dead before then, but that doesn't mean I can't. Whenever I am in a game where I've got decent reason to believe that I won't die like my preferred battering ram approach, I always plan ahead, I always think ahead, I always try to balance for the planning, long-term town strategy involved, thinking ahead, setting up for the long 'con' (in spite of being town). And I'm more or less saying that there's plenty of time for my planning and strategy to lead to my death pre-lylo.
I mean.In post 2346, House wrote:Pretty sure it was probably mentioned in the PT.In post 2336, mastina wrote:Granted, I imagine that doesn't hardclear me. I could still have the knowledge from scumbuddies, I guess. But I wasn't aware T3 was Crono until he flipped as such.While I'm not convinced Lukewarm's town, he does give off town vibes. He's definitely "town enough", as it were. We're not talking, "in final 4 autocleared town", if Lukewarm reached final 4 that would trigger alarms and a need to reevaluate if he's really town, but town enough means, basically, "cleared until final 4" to me.In post 2338, Angel Warriors wrote:I believe all of us agree lukewarm is town so it should be good to do that?
For the record, you're the other slot I have in that category. Higher up mind you, borderline autocleared-even-in-final-4, but I've not done the needed isowork there to be sure. (You are a slot whose both heads I feel like I can read pretty well and you look town but I've not looked at your iso to make sure.)
In post 2339, Roden wrote:Mastina please just pick somebody to claim next. That choice matters in regards to trying to read you.If you want better than that, what you need to do is to give me time to actually develop tangible reads. I'm mostly improvising, flying by the seat of my pants right now, in trying to find a direction, trying to get a lockdown, trying to get a grasp, a hold, on the game, where to look, what to focus on, what to dig into, where to search, etc.In post 2334, mastina wrote:Not-Angel Warriors and not-you(Lukewarm) would be the best I've got.
On its own, that's a process which takes time. It can be sped up by people interacting with me, giving me better ideas on things to focus on, giving me information, perspectives, etc., but nobody has given me much in that way yet, soooooo.
I repeat:You have only yourselves to blame.In post 2334, mastina wrote:you want someone whohasn't read the gameand, explicitly,has no reads, to be the first person to choose someone next to claim? Very poor decision.
I've got fuckall of any idea who to select next, it'd literally be selecting a name out of a hat.
Iamtrying tho. I'm working on it.
For the record I've had my thoughts on the setup from the moment I got my role PM but I would like to stress that I feel like any speculation about the nature of the setup is anti-town and only serves to benefit the scum. If the scum don't know what to think about the setup, what to expect, etc., then why the fuck should we give them that insight? So I would strongly encourage you not talk about this chain of thought. Massclaiming is fine, setup spec is not.In post 2341, Lukewarm wrote:I disagree on frog claiming vt. That seems pointless, and just sets us up to all claim VT, and get no where :/
I have a philosophy for precisely this situation!In post 2343, Roden wrote:We're in a really tough spot and I don't think it's wise to trust anyone unless we figure out a hard clear.
It's a philosophy that causes a great deal of grief to town players who're, rightly, miffed that they are suddenly being scumread out of what amounts to paranoia, but in spite of that inherent flaw to the philosophy, I consider it a necessary evil to invoke it when we get to the situation where the last scum can't be found easily:
"When everyone has a reason to be town, it means at least one person who has reason to be town, isn't."
Or some variation on that to give the same basic meaning.
Which is that you have to delve into the reasons for every player being town and delve into the reasons for every player being scum. If a player has absolutely no reason to be scum, then you aren't being critical enough in your evaluation/thinking. Even a player who you can soulread, have strong meta on, have very very strong reasons to be town, isn't immune to this--if you can't see the reasons for that player possibly being scum, you've made a grave mistake, even if the read you have is 200% correct.
The point of this isn't so much to have zero townreads and to scumread everyone, but to engage in more thorough critical thinking, that both gets rid of your biases, gets rid of your preconceived notions, and forces you to analyze more deeply and thoroughly every slot in the game and then weigh them on a scale. So that player who you can soulread and have strong meta on and has strong reasons to be town? After you can see the reasons for that player to possibly be scum, you then dismantle the reasons for why they could possibly be scum by recognizing how weak those reasons are, how unlikely those reasons are, and reestablish how strong the reasons for them to be town are, to solidify them as a slot you should never ever eliminate, at the top of your tierlist from towniest to scumiest.
And then you keep on doing that for every slot in the game, repeating the analysis. Weighing the merits of the reasons for them to be scum (are they valid or are they surface) vs. weighing the merits of the reasons for them to be town (are they valid or are they surface) to evaluate towniest to least-townie overall, instead of trying to necessarily locate the final scum.
I think mega and mistina could be partners here.In post 480, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Roden
Baaa
But seriously I am watching mastina do her work and you are giving off really weird reads and vibes this game.
The role claim is kinda strange too.
I don't think t3 is a good choice here . Do you scum read t3?In post 531, MegAzumarill wrote:I am not opposed to a t3 lim today.
I'd suggest shooting today. Gives us more Intel at the worst.
As for a t3 or Roden shot, I'll let those better at associatives then me decide
You put your self to e1 and claimd before e3 which means you were in no danger of being voted off in no maned did you need to claim . As I already stated I was upset about it. I am not voting you cuse I had faith you were green this time. But you are foolish. And I'm done with you for this day phrase what ever happens . Happens.In post 550, Roden wrote:Should I have not claimed when I got wagon'd and people said they wanted me gone...?In post 547, cyrus62 wrote:Ok like how in the hell does the 3 of you claiming help town?at t3 @ rodan @Guiloina.
Red flag on play I think both are town.In post 567, mastina wrote:Well this would be a great way to resolve the Roden-T3-Guillotina trio.In post 526, Guillotina wrote:It does not end the day.
Shoot Roden, eliminate T3, and that's 2/3 gone and flipped D1.
VOTE: T3
I ment rodan wagon damn phoneIn post 573, CheekyTeeky wrote:Poor Rosanna lol
No I brought his claim as I said I wasn't voting him so your hoping that you can get another miselmation though me.In post 661, Shrek wrote:VOTE: cyrus
cyrus is never this confident in his reads and just generally goes on the defensive a lot. i think he tmied roden being town by staying off of his wagon imo
See told you. I brought it.In post 447, cyrus62 wrote:im leaning on t3 at this point he post but their isnt much meat to it. also im a little upset at rodan because if any one watches the show happen to be scum then by giving the name he did helps them that much more. i do however buy his claim and wont vote him.
Considering how do not act the same way twice . I also posted something else after he self voted I said I still think he is town. Heck I would have been shocked if he did that as scum hence drawing to much attention to him self why would scum play as sloppy as he did.In post 671, Shrek wrote:are we allowed to post links to meta stuff if the game has finished
and yes it does
Sticking by my read here.In post 561, cyrus62 wrote:You put your self to e1 and claimd before e3 which means you were in no danger of being voted off in no maned did you need to claim . As I already stated I was upset about it. I am not voting you cuse I had faith you were green this time. But you are foolish. And I'm done with you for this day phrase what ever happens . Happens.In post 550, Roden wrote:Should I have not claimed when I got wagon'd and people said they wanted me gone...?In post 547, cyrus62 wrote:Ok like how in the hell does the 3 of you claiming help town?at t3 @ rodan @Guiloina.
I scum read you since the start of the game I always hit scum day1 . I town read t3 your the 2nd person on the wagon the 3dr is dead . So yes my case sucks always does. But I know your scum.In post 677, MegAzumarill wrote:Cyrus please summarize your entire case against me.
Maybe there's a cult and so there was only one death becuse someone switch sides.In post 683, MegAzumarill wrote:If this is going where I think you are taking it you are not going to help townIn post 680, cyrus62 wrote:Here's a queston if this is mutiball why is there only 1 death?
So tell me how or why I am scum this time t3 becuse last time in to tell the truth you went at me becuse you were scum hoping for a easy miselmation . Is cheeky right that you are scum? Like I said I have a role and flavor to back it up.In post 691, T3 wrote:VOTE: cyrus
Enchant is town. I will elaborate on this later but we should not lim Enchant.
In post 291, Guillotina wrote:VOTE: T3In post 282, T3 wrote:Can you fuck off?In post 251, Guillotina wrote:Im not sure if im getting scum vibes from you or if you are just hating.In post 248, Hiraki wrote:i don't think any of 245 is scum-aligned but i think it's terrible logic overall. zero explanation of a take? really? isn't that why i asked you foryourtake? what would cheeky say to satisfy you? i can go one by one but it's not worth my time
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...so you just admitted that you're just lucky? yikesIn post 247, Guillotina wrote:Because talent has nothing to do with knowledge.
1. What the fuck not knowing a rule has anything to do with talent?
2. How the fuck is that relevant?
3. How the fuck does that make me lucky?
4. How is being lucky correlated to being talented lacking some knowledge?
Like… what the actual fuck are you on bud?
Your ego is taking up the thread.
No, I'm solving. Im not gonna shut up until I'm dead.
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Listen guys, if Mastina is scum, it will not be because of her early day reads, ive seen her do this as town, third party and scum. It's like Cyrus said, completely NAI for her, so pushing her for that is a bad look.
Mastina hates randing scum because she rands scum a lot, so if she bails out, then we can worry about that slot. She is also a player that gets kill off fast because she is threatening to any opposing faction, she is that good, she gets fear killed a lot, and the way she was getting pushed raised a red flag for me because it looked like an attempt to discredit her reads fast (which is funny because it's obvious they are fake reads and it's intentional) and pile on her.
I also do this, in fact i did it this game. Only i picked three people to push and see where it landed.
This is what i got:
If Roden is new to mafiascum and to mafia in general, he'll get a pass because it looks like he genuinely thought that Mastina's reads were legit and obviously in a world where they are legit, those reads are scummy, so his thought process is legit too.
If Roden is a newbie and is scum, CheekyTeeky could be scum together because his approach to Cheeky looks like distancing, Roden is sussing her a lot but yet, he has not voted her to support that push. This is why he thinks me switching my vote from him to Cheeky is scummy, because he thinks that townies are supposed to stick to a vote in a 10-day day phase game.
T3 could be scum, you cant scum read someone arriving at the same conclusion that you did, about the same player, when that someone concluded it before you. It does not make sense, it's a fake push.
If Roden and T3 are scum together, Mastina is unaligned with them. Scum would not unnecessarily bring attention to their scum buddies like that, nor they would superficially push her for it.
Cyrus feels like a player whose alignment will become obvious with time, so im gonna give him time.
In post 525, Guillotina wrote:To rolefish to be honest.In post 519, Shrek wrote:why do you think i askedIn post 516, Guillotina wrote:What do you think?In post 514, Shrek wrote:is this a claimIn post 513, Guillotina wrote:I would have day vigged Roden after that self vote because that is a blatant manipulation action but then i remembered ive done it as town too, so i didnt pull the trigger.
I intent to shoot Roden, i’ll give you time to decide whether i should do it or not.
VOTE: T3
I can see why guilloton was shot going over this.In post 526, Guillotina wrote:I could be convinced into shooting T3 or Cheeky too.
It does not end the day.
Oh yes I'm newb scum you got that right I'm such newb scum I aim at the only person who expects me to finger my self . I am being sercasticIn post 700, CheekyTeeky wrote:I mean you were also in Guillo's PoE Cyrus and the shot looks like it came from a newb no offense.
Also it wasn't me who he said he would shoot.In post 700, CheekyTeeky wrote:I mean you were also in Guillo's PoE Cyrus and the shot looks like it came from a newb no offense.
You are the one misunderstanding again weak. I wasn't calling for a flash wagon. Enchant was. I have more on this but I'm hungry. So going to eat. I recommend you go back over these becuse most of it is out of context.In post 707, Zyla wrote:Cyrus, you're completely misunderstanding what I'm meaning.
Anyway, with what I am able to say, here's my thoughts.
VOTE: Cyrus
If you already think that Mega is scum, what's the point of doing a random vote? Why not just vote mega and try and make a case?In post 69, cyrus62 wrote:This anit what I was typing. I ment mega. Not t3 . T3 is just my rvs.In post 66, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: t3 I think t3 is scum here he's already making excuse to scum read people but enchant could also be scum. Hoping for a flash elemation.
Also, why did you want a flash elimination, how is that ever good for town?
In post 82, cyrus62 wrote:Oops that's to much info Cyrus scared to hammer is like so nai. LolDo you want to hammer, or do you not want to hammer? Why are you scared to hammer?In post 95, cyrus62 wrote:I said I would quick hammer and I would I dislike how she uses wall post and how she gives reads on page 1. Fixd
This just generally feels LAMIST to meIn post 105, cyrus62 wrote:Do you honestly think I draw this much attention to my self as scum?
In post 195, cyrus62 wrote:Shakes head does meta real count if some one changes the way they act every game?Is meta useful, or is it not?In post 198, cyrus62 wrote:As for t3 this is not his town game.
Also, if you're still scum reading t3 at 447, but at 553 you seemed to have a complete 180, what changed?
3dr time playing with her 1st time was a newbi game she looked hard twice into everything wasn't to quick to jump on weak cases . She did lurk some but not this hard. 2nd game she was town but she again pushed me for bad reasons . Maybe she just doesn't like me. But I do expect better cases from town her.In post 716, Shrek wrote:what would town zylas case be?In post 714, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: zyla weak cases twice to try to push me I think town Zyla would have made a solid case.
i seen the retraction of the vig , however I was givin a reason why guilloton might have been shot by one of the two.In post 715, Hiraki wrote:Three things to note from this night kill (before I read anything) -
1) Flavormayimply that Wanda is not a town role.
2) Flavor also seems to imply that SWORD cannot be in this game - which is super weird to me. Maybe I'm just not getting the flavor or looking into it way too hard. The kill thread from above is showing that SWORD surrounds the townie's body. To me - it seems like this is taking placebeforeanyone can get in. But again - nothing I want to push there as of yet.
3) There was only one night kill which kind of lends itself to a cult theory but could just be odd/even teams.
Regarding Roden (before I read anything) - I sincerely hope that scum is able to somehow 'fabricate' his role upon death otherwise I will probably never play with Roden again. I don't know any roles that normally do this offhand either because it's a weird thing to play around with balance-wise too. Lying about your role killed you more than your scummy actions and quite honestly may actually be detrimental to the game state. I'm very good at overlooking bad play for desperation. On the flipside, Guilo actually helped town in the end for whoever on earth would think that he could actually flip vig even after he retracted (which actually did a lot more wonders than it should have - credit earned where credit is due).
Potentially true - seems very odd though.In post 682, MegAzumarill wrote:My guess is a protective ability saved someone.
Also scumreading me for correctly calling out a lie is not going to help town.
True - but in the setup description, mod couldIn post 685, MegAzumarill wrote:Some other people were saying a cult isn't almost ever here.notconfirm if there wasn't a cult.
Play my thoughts a little - why does T3 kill Guilo? Or is he part of the other scum team?In post 688, CheekyTeeky wrote:Still strongly feeling T3 scum.
I think this is a little shallow thinking. I know where you're going but it seems way too convenient to be Cyrus here.In post 691, T3 wrote:VOTE: cyrus
Enchant is town. I will elaborate on this later but we should not lim Enchant.
ok my stock in cyrus-scum just skyrockted here. he clearly did not see the pullbackIn post 699, cyrus62 wrote:I can see why guilloton was shot going over this.
why this part?In post 711, mastina wrote:I'm incredibly skeptical of this "do not lim Enchant" claim.
meta to me is a outside party looking at ones play to see how one plays . Experience is seeing 1st hand that some one is acting odd compared to what your used to seeing the person act since I was in all three games. For example if I was to go over your games and say this is why I think he isn't town I would be useing meta since I neverd played a game with you I can't use past Experience to judge you.In post 721, Hiraki wrote:I can't ask questions about what you're talking about?
What is the difference between meta and experience?
I guise what I am saying is meta and experience are like wisdom and knowledge . One get from doing the other you get from reading.In post 723, Hiraki wrote:that doesn't make a lick of sense but ok, whatever floats your boat man
Doesn't meta requie me to post games from which I'm saying Zyla played diffent . I'm saying from what I'm used to seeing this isn't how town Zyla acts.In post 729, Shrek wrote:youre literally using outside info from other games to say that zyla is scum. thats meta
i love this make me laugh again I'll share my role if you do.
I don't know if I am in control of witch powers.In post 757, Hiraki wrote:isn't quicksilver part of the witches in the scheme of the show???In post 741, Shrek wrote:bruh did cyrus just claim quicksilver?
If mistina and galor are Mason's or is cheeky mason and galron just trying to fake claim?
i gave my name my role and my flavor.In post 794, Enchant wrote:Sample for evil implue witch controls soul and power of someone, basically forcing them to work on her.
Or this is only for witches of theme. In any case, i don't know why Cyrus reaction on accusation is just stating name of his character.
like wth enchant must be scum.In post 759, cyrus62 wrote:I am a citizen of westview I am Pietro Maximoff and I don't know if I am in control of witch powers
That's my role and flavor. Aka quick silver brother of Wanda .
I think this isn't town why would the mod lie about my role . As I said I'm wandas brother I am a citizen of westview and I don't know if I am in control of witch powersIn post 804, Hiraki wrote:I also want to say that I don't think this is N_M's town game. I am re-reading T3 to see if I can join but I still have super outstanding issues with a claim of Pietro Maximoff from a flavor perspective.
the mod put it Ralph bohner/pietro maxwell but I thought saying quick silver was better since it also said I was Wandas brother I didn't think Ralph was needed well that and I was saving the Ralph part for mass claim shrugs oh well.In post 807, Hiraki wrote:correct but i also got those vibesIn post 805, T3 wrote:You do realize it is multiball.In post 783, CheekyTeeky wrote:Enchant likely town if T3 red imo. Fake associative when T3 feels he's going down.
pietro maximoff isn't even in the show - i just don't understand it from a plot perspective. the plot of the show literally has 'pietro maximoff' as some random dude from westview. he's not alive since avengers 2. i might be going a little hardcore on canon but it seems like a huge slip-up to me that you would say you're "pietro maximoff" rather than "pietro maximoff/ralph bohner" which is much more in line with other characters and claims so far -In post 806, cyrus62 wrote:I think this isn't town why would the mod lie about my role . As I said I'm wandas brother I am a citizen of westview and I don't know if I am in control of witch powersIn post 804, Hiraki wrote:I also want to say that I don't think this is N_M's town game. I am re-reading T3 to see if I can join but I still have super outstanding issues with a claim of Pietro Maximoff from a flavor perspective.
stack that along with who from a flavor perspective is able to be a partner with what would be the witch faction and it's literally just fake pietro and you've got nothing good from a flavor perspectiveIn post 386, Roden wrote:Btw I'm Todd Davis/Arthur Hart.
that being said, i don't know what the anti-town factions are so it could be 'agatha/random lady from episode 2 that i'm not going to look up right now' which is really the only reason i'm not tunneling but i'm getting pretty close to being comfortable
So full claim is Ralph bohner / pietro maxwell I am a citizen of westview. The witch Agatha uses her magic to portray me as Pietro Maximoff and brother of Wanda Maximoff. I don’t know that I am in control of witch’s magic. I kinda wanted to wait a bit longer like I said I had a role and flavor to boot.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 7412Mother way enchant is acting here is the same way he acted in white flag . He was scum in white flag.
give me a reason to buy your a pr. Did you protect any one? Did you block any one. Did you jail keep any one ? Did you nigheboriz any one? Did you check any one. Give me a reason I got a million diffent reasons to vote you. But I only need one to not vote you.In post 854, T3 wrote:Have you considered the possibility that I'm PR trying not to get nightkilled?In post 848, Zyla wrote:Top 3 apart from Cyrus would probably be NM, Enchant, and T3In post 845, Shrek wrote:@zyla who do you think is scum besides cyrus? so far all youve done is pick on him
NM is NM, but he seems quieter than usual
Enchant was mostly null, but that last set of posts is just... weird
T3 just seems off to me, mostly gut, but also he claimed VT and yet 691 implies he has inside info on Enchant
Lady gaga a million reasons to walk away.
I can't shake this feeling that t3 maybe a doctor or some protected role and saved enchant and maybe that's why there was only one kill last night . But this is. Just a long shot theory I'm just realy trying to guise how t3 claims he knows enchant is town and that he is indeed a pr but I could be completely and utterly wrong. And want to also hear how Gilorn has a innocent on mistina . And I like to know why mega suddenly buys your claim. Side note speaking my thoughts out loud
I want to say this is a bit gutsy for scum. But I have seen some pretty outrageous stunts from scum in general . Now to look at rodans warning.In post 875, Galron wrote:I don't know if Meg buys the claim. All I know is Meg unvoted me after I claimed. I don't know how T3 has some special knowledge on enchant, but I know that I'm dubious of T3 claiming VT and then a PR, and I have a bit of knowledge of T3's meta. But I'm not going to tell you how I know mastina has a N1 inno. You either believe it or you don't.
Intel regarding this they then said look at who flip out after this postIn post 340, Roden wrote:Going by flavor, the witch coven could be a scum group, and SWORD's Tylor Hayward and White Vision could be the second. Technically speaking, we don't know if Wanda herself is even aligned with town either, since she's the one possessing the town.In post 328, MegAzumarill wrote:Setup Spec because I enjoy it:
Have we considered that the game could be 2 groupscum with 2 players each?
Also if it is 3rd party I'd say a cult leader is probably likely. (Why would you have to publically reveal it is multiball if it was an sk?) Either that or something wacky like a condemner or something.
I'm not familiar with the flavor, but would a cult/ second groupscum make sense in that context?
no I'm RalphIn post 881, Galron wrote:Well, he's right that we don't know whether Wanda's even Town, or whether Wanda's even in the game for that matter, but we don't know whether she's possessing the town either bc that's in the show I think. Same thing with Tylor and White Vision. We don't know if they're in the game either. And if they are, are they good guys or bad guys? Or neutrals for that matter.
Personally, I think we're probably working with a serial killer and a scum faction. Maybe a cult and scum faction. Doubt there are two scum factions. We don't know whether SWORD is involved -- I can't remember if T3 or Hiraki or someone else first brought that up and I had to go digging for that -- or who is involved. We've got you, who you say you are Pietro but you're Ron Taylor or something, who is the fake Pietro, so I don't know what to make of that. But Hiraki seems to think it checks out, so okay. And we've got Mr. and Mrs. Hart. We know they're (were) both townies. And then. . . where are we exactly. I don't think the plot lines of the show are following the plot lines of this game; if they were, you'd be mafia or something, and I think you're probably town.
Bohne who is the fake pietro . Don't know how you got this Ron Taylor
Why would you hammer the guy calling you town? I get if he flips a investigater role that clears you but that is just rude. Ofc if he flips a 3dr party then your cleared by tmi.
I'm used to given intent to hammer then giving said person time to claim and tell us why we shouldn't hammer.In post 918, Hiraki wrote:Is it a rule that you claim at E-1? Doesn't seem to be a rule for this game?In post 917, cyrus62 wrote:If enchant and nm play that way how do we get claims?In post 914, Hiraki wrote:It was going to be Enchant or N_M to be honest.
I had asked 12 hours or more ago and got nothing so I thought putting him to e1 would get me a result also this is maybe my 2nd time playing with you enchant I will have to go over my games to make sure it might be my 1st time playing with you. I get nm does that.In post 919, Enchant wrote:ASKING BEFORE PUTTING ON E-1 OMG.In post 917, cyrus62 wrote:If enchant and nm play that way how do we get claims?In post 914, Hiraki wrote:It was going to be Enchant or N_M to be honest.
It's so easy. But you always do that.
And then act pissed like you didn't saw it comming.
See .In post 878, cyrus62 wrote:T3 come on tell us why enchant is town.In post 876, Shrek wrote:t3 really just gonna act like he didnt say anything about enchant being town and ‘elaborating on it later’ then huh
and hereIn post 859, cyrus62 wrote:give me a reason to buy your a pr. Did you protect any one? Did you block any one. Did you jail keep any one ? Did you nigheboriz any one? Did you check any one. Give me a reason I got a million diffent reasons to vote you. But I only need one to not vote you.In post 854, T3 wrote:Have you considered the possibility that I'm PR trying not to get nightkilled?In post 848, Zyla wrote:Top 3 apart from Cyrus would probably be NM, Enchant, and T3In post 845, Shrek wrote:@zyla who do you think is scum besides cyrus? so far all youve done is pick on him
NM is NM, but he seems quieter than usual
Enchant was mostly null, but that last set of posts is just... weird
T3 just seems off to me, mostly gut, but also he claimed VT and yet 691 implies he has inside info on Enchant
wait is that all . Omg yes that was a dumb strunt.In post 928, T3 wrote:ENCHANT TALKED ABOUT HIS ROLE PM UNPROVOKEDIn post 878, cyrus62 wrote:T3 come on tell us why enchant is town.In post 876, Shrek wrote:t3 really just gonna act like he didnt say anything about enchant being town and ‘elaborating on it later’ then huh
Oh yes I admit I was hoping he claimd pr at least that would have cleared you.In post 936, Enchant wrote:It's dumb.
Like... I am dumb too.
But you gonna admit.
You overthinked things.
Yes and no as a tracker yes it would say he went no where as a watcher I think you get no result since you can't watch him go anywhere since he's jail Kepth. So you would get no result I think. I know this cuse when I was tracker and got blocked . I still got a result saying he went no where . Even though said person was the one who blocked me .In post 989, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ok it's hard to tell what that means, maybe you could ask for clarification if it means your role failed. If Galron JK'd mastina N1 then you still should have seen that action and he didn't flip ninja.
I wonder if your crumb was seen if you were roleblocked n1.
@mastina tell me how a jail keep gets a inno on n1 when we all know there is always at least 2 scum how would he clear you? I mean logically thinking you could have always had your partner do the kill which would make it look like you were innocent . Now I get why wouldn't you do the kill since you would have no knowlage of a jail keeper but since.
We know it's muti ball maybe you did do the kill got jail Kepth and it didn't go though hince why there was only 1 kill n1 and gailron thought you were innocent simply becuse some one stiil died n1. I'm not saying your scum just that I don't think your cleared yet and would watch you.
We know it's muti ball maybe you did do the kill got jail Kepth and it didn't go though hince why there was only 1 kill n1 and gailron thought you were innocent simply becuse some one stiil died n1. I'm not saying your scum just that I don't think your cleared yet and would watch you.
that doesn't answer my questionIn post 1010, mastina wrote:Simple; I was wrong about Galron. I thought Galron was breadcrumbing an entirely different type of role altogether. Informed or a very specific form of investigative, knowing me to be town from knowing what my role is.In post 1005, cyrus62 wrote:@mastina tell me how a jail keep gets a inno on n1
I had no clue Galron was a jailkeeper or protective of any kind.
i think some one should do a real investigator on mistina.In post 1014, Enchant wrote:I think Galron jailed Mastina, saw only one NK and decided she was target.
There's again only one NK though.
i dont buy it maybe there was only one nk because she did the killing and was jk. day2 maybe zyla did both kills if you watch mistina tonight and she still doesn't kill any one then she is cleared.In post 1014, Enchant wrote:I think Galron jailed Mastina, saw only one NK and decided she was target.
There's again only one NK though.
Isn't that asking Zyla to play agesnt thire wincon?In post 1022, Enchant wrote:If you are evil, you probably could give us some tips on other evil? You dying anyway so.In post 1020, Zyla wrote:Either both teams targeted the same person, one of them targeted Galron's target, or Galron targeted someone who commited the nkIn post 1006, CheekyTeeky wrote:why would there be no kill n2?
evikl? Want evil dead this concept makes no since?In post 1030, Enchant wrote:Not really. Evils want each other dead as well.In post 1029, cyrus62 wrote:Isn't that asking Zyla to play agesnt thire wincon?In post 1022, Enchant wrote:If you are evil, you probably could give us some tips on other evil? You dying anyway so.In post 1020, Zyla wrote:Either both teams targeted the same person, one of them targeted Galron's target, or Galron targeted someone who commited the nkIn post 1006, CheekyTeeky wrote:why would there be no kill n2?
I been saying that since day2 and now enchant acts like its a huge eye opener but judging by how there was only one kill for two nights in a row how do we know the other team isn't cult?In post 1032, Shrek wrote:two different evil teams cyrus
@mistina he said he did?In post 775, Galron wrote:I have an inno on mastina.In post 762, Shrek wrote:im voting galron until someone gives me an actual reason as to why he isnt scum because im petty like that
VOTE: galron
My queston is why did you wait so long to reveal this I was pushing mistina most of the game and also since mistina was mostly town read , why didn't you check one of us four last night?In post 1067, Shrek wrote:hello everyone! it is your friendly shrek here and i an now going to claim!
i am vision, an odd night alignment cop! night 1 i checked hiraki, night 3 i checked mastina. i crumbed it by asking both galron and mega how they had an inno beforehand (since i can outright get innos to begin with).
ANYWAY.
hiraki is town. mastina is also town. us 3 are locktown
cheeky, n_m, cyrus, and enchant.
one of these is townie. other three are mafia. claiming now because i wont be able to get off my night 5 investigation and that late in the game my previous ones would be meaningless anyway
I didn't shade you I asked a question. Plus scum Zyla stated mod gave out fake claims so excuse me for not buying it right away.In post 1072, Shrek wrote:i mean you DID just give away your alignment by immediately shading the cop claim so it doesnt really matter either way
Or it's a fake claim and mistina and shriek are scum.In post 1075, mastina wrote:In post 1067, Shrek wrote:i am vision, an odd night alignment cop! night 1 i checked hiraki,.night 3 i checked mastina
I TOLD y'all not to investigate me. It was an absolute waste.
Still tho.
To me, pretty damn clear; N_M, Enchant, and cyrus, altho I do suppose we owe the due diligence of not just writing Cheeky off as town.
So shrike had already made up his mind before claiming that I must be scum. I don't know why he trust cheeky over me. I know why scum Kepth me alive I'm the easiest miselmation out of the 7 . But let's think since I am town if you elematie me that leaves three vs three which town would lose it would come down to does scum shot them selfs or does town loss.
Can you just vote shrike maybe encant will hammer him.In post 1129, CheekyTeeky wrote:Nevermind I'm trying not to care lol.
Well truth is I wanted to kill shrike night 3 instead of you but I thought blue would be expecting me to kill you and would aim some where else.
cheeky thought you were town and nm was scum.In post 1205, Enchant wrote:It's error from our side.In post 1202, cyrus62 wrote:Well truth is I wanted to kill shrike night 3 instead of you but I thought blue would be expecting me to kill you and would aim some where else.
I should asked Zyla to yell that.
i thought your idea we have roleblock was funny . Cheeky was just one shot bullet proof but you didn't even . Try to kill her. You could have killed me at any time. But here's my qeston before shrike outed us . Who all 'kenw' I was scum?In post 1208, Enchant wrote:Well. There was mod error i think.
Zyla supposed to be elimmed d2 when she was caught by visiting Mastina. Who know how game would continue? Maybe town could win... Damn. Strange feeling.
Yeah. I believed we can't kill at first too.