Newbie 2079 | Open House | Game Over!!!

[catboi]

VOTE: Prism

:3

[catboi]

Fully caught up now. Fast read. Have thoughts that I'll hold on to for now. See Prism scumreads my slot so this should be extremely fun~

Ｏ(≧▽≦)Ｏ

[catboi]

Nothing to say? I am disappoint. (๑′̥̥̥▵‵̥̥̥ ૂ๑)

[catboi]

Fair enough. I'd opened with the intent to poke at you because I find several of your reads to be highly questionable but recognize now's probably not the time to argue with that, we can talk later. Best of luck in dealing with your apartment crisis, I hope things work out for you.

[catboi]

Not to undercut your current line of questioning, CheekyTeeky, but since you're here, could you clarify the following for me:

Panicked for a second cuz I thought y'all just mislynched while I was gone lol.

Slip

(Just kidding)

I think it's a legit slip.

I feel better about Connor after relooking through their iso, that's all I've done so far lol.

How did you go from beliving connordragon's statement was "a legit slip" to "feeling better" about him today? What exactly changed your mind? Why do you not believe that post is a slip anymore?

[catboi]

I think Night Kill Analysis is a rabbit hole of WIFOM most of the time and rarely leads to useful conclusions. You yourself have outlined three different possible scenarios for why DaTaco was the nightkill, I could easily contribute several more. How are you going to evaluate these scenarios and decide which is the most likely explanation?

I don't find such speculation to be helpful. Unless you can strongly suggest there is someone who would

not

kill DTX, then NKA is effectively useless.

[catboi]

What reads do you find questionable? I think of the one I have on your slot is probably the most stereotypically Prism read in existence, for better or for worse, but I know I have given others.

That's certainly true. Do you find your reasoning on flow trap (townread on you came too easily) to be a reliable way of catching scum?

[catboi]

Right, so, that's a heuristic you probably

should

be reconsidering if town.

But anyway, you know I don't like talking about my own slot, as it is I've scarcely read most of flow trap's posts, that's not important to me.

Your scumread of Connor seems mostly fossilized, based around him changing his read of you early in the game, in a timeframe where you had barely posted. Has anything he's done since then come across as scummy?

[catboi]

I think there are other times where it has served me extremely well, and I have repeatedly called it one of my most useful tools. Recognizing that I don't always hit in my application is easy, and I will readily cede there is a miss rate and room for improvement. The read itself should be the least surprising thing in the world to you. All of the wrong applications I listed I corrected within two games days except for our Trust Fall game. (Which wasn't even the first time I did it to

you

, see Chara's Folly. If you're curious for examples that worked, mastina/GreyICE both in Warehouse 13, HEM in Forest Fire.

Connor hasn't done anything to actively lower them since, they just haven't really impressed with seeming town either.

Do you understand how difficult it is for me to believe that you saw the classic Prism read on your slot, which you have repeatedly been a victim of, and your criticism appears to be that it is scummy for me to have it rather than that I'm just the same town dumbass I always am?

Right, well, I had asked if that read worked for you, being aware that you'd been unsuccessful with it prior, and invoked it to see if it was something you really believed and if my comments would spur some self-reflecton. Your initial admission was to bring up past errors, not successes. If you've found it to work other times then it at least makes some sense why you'd be applying it here with a degree of confidence (although if town you'll have to add another strike to the miss column).

The evaluation of Connor is underwhelming to me. I'd hope at least some evolution, processing of data there, because otherwise it's a thin read, one that'd be okay early day 1 but for being your strongest suspect leading up to a deadline is underwhelming. Of course, I recognize you haven't had the time to re-read and re-evaluate. To me, anyway, while I actively disliked some of his early posting, I thought later in the day he came across as decently town, with some explanation of his style being the sort of player who is trained to only act on hard mechanical evidence, I thought his actions made sense, and there were little continuous bits of evaluation in his posts. The "I thought y'all just mis[limmed]" post does dampen the read though, I've tended to ignore those type of linguistic slips in the past and it's burned me but aside from that one post I don't hate the body of work.

Do you think by your play this game I should be immediately townreading you on entry?

[catboi]

Yes, because everything you know about me, and everything about the constructive critical framing I make in scum PTs/postgame, points to 556 being true.

Again it is mind-blowing to me that you see the classic Prism read,

applied to someone who isn't even you (same slot tho), before you replaced in

and react with skepticism

Well, you're right, you're not my strongest scumread but I thought I thought it'd be fun to poke at you a bit :3

But I'm not as strongly confident on you being town and wanted to dialogue with you to get you to clarify your stances and see if I could firm up my read. I figured being mildly adversarial was more likely to get things moving in a productive way.

I've got a decent idea of who I suspect to be the team but want to question people first rather than just blabbing my opinion out.

[catboi]

*Shrug* I can try to avoid keeping this conversation too insider-y, I agree with not wanting to alienate the newer players but I really couldn't resist the opportunity to join this game with you.

[catboi]

Not to undercut your current line of questioning, CheekyTeeky, but since you're here, could you clarify the following for me:

Panicked for a second cuz I thought y'all just mislynched while I was gone lol.

Slip

(Just kidding)

I think it's a legit slip.

I feel better about Connor after relooking through their iso, that's all I've done so far lol.

How did you go from beliving connordragon's statement was "a legit slip" to "feeling better" about him today? What exactly changed your mind? Why do you not believe that post is a slip anymore?

I wasn't very invested yesterday, had a relook today, saw a few comments on people thinking about Connor today and thought oh maybe they're the mislim intended today by scum. In terms of progression, mine never makes sense on the surface unless I'm scum because as scum I care about everything I do being unquestionable.
Tldr; I changed my mind + self meta.

...none of that explains how you went from thinking a post was a "legit slip" to not being one.

Further, if you think connor is the "intended mislim", who do you see that is pushing him in that fashion?

[catboi]

I think Night Kill Analysis is a rabbit hole of WIFOM most of the time and rarely leads to useful conclusions. You yourself have outlined three different possible scenarios for why DaTaco was the nightkill, I could easily contribute several more. How are you going to evaluate these scenarios and decide which is the most likely explanation?

I don't find such speculation to be helpful. Unless you can strongly suggest there is someone who would

not

kill DTX, then NKA is effectively useless.

This is aimed at the newbies so feel free to keep your ideas about it's usefulness to yourself.

I'll freely give my opinion on theory especially as it pertains to the matter of solving the game we're playing. You are free to disagree with my statements if you think about the game differently, as are the newbies, but there's no reason to shut me down entirely.

I would also appreciate not dodging the question at the end of my first paragraph if this is a line of discussion you intend to active pursue.

[catboi]

If you want to sort me, you aren't going to do it by tunneling me with irritating questions which force me to defend myself. You're better off giving me space and assessing my intent overall otherwise we will end up 1v1ing all day and if both town will increase the chances of scum hiding in the shadows.

I haven't gone so far as to indicate a desire to vote you, the intent of my questioning was to get you to clarify the progression of your reads.

That said, this is an interesting response. It's not what I expected. I'll oblige and leave you be for the time being.

[catboi]

Also who is catboi??

I'm flow trap (or occupying the space in this game that he used to, anyway)

[catboi]

If you think there was scum on the RegRider wagon, why is your focus on RH9?

[catboi]

Don't like Prism, but I don't like the push on RegRider more

VOTE: Flow

I want it on record that I hate this Reg wagon

I don't know why I thought it was 4 to elim d1. Apologies. I retract my hate

I'd also like some clarification: You never actually expressed any sort of read on RegRider, but expressed a strong dislike for the wagon on him. Why is that? Further, why did you hate it when you thought it was hammered early, only to retract that feeling when it turned out it wasn't?

[catboi]

If you think there was scum on the RegRider wagon, why is your focus on RH9?

Tbh RH9 is acting a bit too much on his posts imo as well as stating the obvious (like being sad about losing 2 VTs)

If that's your opinion, you're entitled to it. I'm not arguing about RH9 right now.

My qusetion was addressed specifically to margotrosa, because she opened her catch-up claiming she felt there was scum on the RegRider wagon, but rather than investigating the votes there to decide who she felt was most likely to be scum, she chose to go after RH9 instead, with minimal commentary on the RegRider voters. It lacked follow-through on her initial statement. My interest right now is in getting her to explain her thought process, not argue about RH9. For that I need her to answer, not you.


You said you trust Prism more now in 531. Can you explain why?

[catboi]

All right. I get where you're coming from.

[catboi]

Cat, I think it's almost time for you to be more forthright with your reads and opinions. Would you prefer to give it before I read or wait until afterwards?

Depending on how I tired I am after dinner I am hoping to get through this

I'll do it before. I might not have time to do an in-depth wallpost akin to newbie 2064 but I'll try to get something together so that my reasoning is clear.

[catboi]

I made clear that I didn't understand the Reg wagon in 401 and wanted clarification of where it had come from, because something seemed off. Given that noone could give me an adequate explanation of why it had happened, I decided to distrust it.

Then I'm not sure why you "retracted" your hate for the wagon, then, without being given so much as an explanation.

[catboi]

I am fully cat-napped, so I will try to explain my reads in full now:

camelcasedsnivy

is very likely town in my eyes. I'm a sucker for the type of suicidal, self-sacrificing townies you see in newbie games and he slotted into that role early in day 1. While the early claiming and offering to be eliminated can be faked, it rarely is. It generally takes a clever, bold player to do it, and my profile of camel, based on their signature saying, ah, "I suck", is that they're not the most confident player and would be unlikely to fake such an attitude. I think in terms of scumhunting they've been

all right

, there's some attempts at forming reads but I somewhat dislike the over-reliance on following others. Still, things like 332's "im trying to make good reads as much as possible" feels self-conscious in a legitimate way.

RH9

is a bit similar in that he seems a player who is inexperienced and low confidence in his own reads, but despite the constant wishy-washiness in his reads, I do get the sense he's legitimately trying to scumhunt. I believe the struggle from him to find reasons to suspect people is real, in part because he's not hiding behind that as an excuse to do nothing - he's still continually trying to make sense of what's going on and form reads. Stuff like the wall at the end of day 1 tends to be very often town from a newer player simply because it's legitimately attempting to solve the game.

I do think

Prism

is probably town at this point. My suspicion of her on entering the game was mostly a bluff to see how she'd react to it. Her response felt towny enough to me although I'm not sure how best to explain it here. It stuck me as genuine skepticism and annoyance at my push rather than the response of "drat, someone who knows me well replaced in and is scumreading me". I think the reflexive distrust of flow trap's townread of her is, in fact, a town-motivated thinking but a flawed one and was trying to get her to see the flaws in her thinking there. I buy her insistence she wouldn't have forced town to eliminate day 1 rather than letting it go to deadline.

CheekyTeeky

ticked a fair number of scum indicators for me as I was reading - her townreads came too early and off too little, the initial energy faded into inactivity, her posting at the day 1 deadline felt performative. And yet her responses to my questioning made me feel uncertain, even though I wouldn't say they were

good

answers, the refusal to explain her thinking at all is frustrating

MargotRosa

mostly just seemed like obvious scum to me, and the reception of her in-thread showed how people have a vulnerability to well-formatted wall posts. I found the analysis in them mostly undercooked, and since that point, she largely fell off. The awkwardness in her shifting reasoning for suspecting Prism felt to me like scum who was making up justification after the fact and forgot what their original reasoning was supposed to be.

Her posts today feel like going through the motions, she claims there's scum on the wagon but doesn't really do much analysis of people's votes there, instead picots to RH9 who feels like someone who gets himself into trouble by being awkward. It feels like a push scum would make rather than a genuine line of inquiry.

I've written some about

XonnorDragon07

already, in general there's not a ton of content from him but I had somewhat bought him as the type of player who was hesitant to act unless there was mechanical info. I do think the "did we just mis[lim]" post is bad and there aren't any posts that ispire strong feeling in me, the analysis from him I've liked the most mainly pertains to margotRosa.

My general theorizing, while I was catching up, was pointing me toward a MargotRosa/CheekyTeeky team - Margot gave essentially a non-read on Cheeky in her reads list, Cheeky's townread of Margot came far too easily and for far too simple a thing. However CheekyTeeky's response to my questioning threw me for a bit of a loop as it wasn't the response I expected from scum there - something abouyt the frustration and demand I give her space didn't feel like the mentality of scum in that situation who might feel threatened by my questioning. It's odd because that alone threw off my feelings and made me consider that I might be thinking on too basic a level. It's possible that I was premature in my asessment of connordragon, and that the team is MargotRosa/ConnorDragon - they've been continually suspecting each other all game but have avoided making any sort of direct pressure on one another. That made me re-think connor after my earlier defense of him to Prism.

In general, I advise newbies against trying to think in terms of exact teams, because it's far too easy to get caught up in false associations between players. However, my thinking on who is scum is hard to separate from this thinking, so I thought I'd just lay it out in the open to be understandable. I think the players in my scumreads are all suspect on individual terms,


These are the quick versions of my thoughts, without anything like citing exact posts, but it still took me a significant amount of time to write, I can try to go into detail if this is unclear.

[catboi]

VOTE: MargotRosa

discuss.

[catboi]

VOTE: MargotRosa

discuss.

I mean... ok.

Margot isn't the worst vote. But I probably wouldn't.

Who are your current suspects, then?

Oh, and adding onto this, I'm used to getting condemned early

That is mostly why I believe your response to pressure early on day 1 was authentic

[catboi]

-RH9's way of not really giving reads, calling everyone town,

These can seem a bit contradictory but this was meant to emphasize the paralysis and personal safety by hanging back, playing the noob card constantly, and not really going after anyone. Even the townreads are all surface and bland.

My view of RH9 is that he's young and extremely anxious, as evidenced by him taking 2 whole years to work up the courage to sign up for a game, and yo-yoing in the signups thread. I think the lack of confidence is very likely real and not performative. It's possible for people to lean into that as scum but here it doesn't feel performative in a way that's geared toward generating townreads.

[catboi]

[catboi]

It seems you might have wanted to dodge the too-quick TR scumread from me by going the opposite way, but this was something you've seen repeatedly with me. I didn't find the way you challenged it to be in good faith but something with the hope of playing the paranoia angle before having the gator snap its jaws on your arm instead.

Full disclosure: this was somewhat intentional on my part. By the time I caught up, I recognized that you were very unlikely to trust me by virtue of 1. me occupying a slot you had previously scumread 2. me having a ton of baggage that's not worth going into. I recognized a straightforward appeal to you might lead to an unproductive back and forth. So my move was to get your attention and try to challenge your thinking in my questioning. You're right that it was a tactical decision, I just did it as town, because even though I'm being honest I need to concern myself with how to approach people.

[catboi]

Can you see the real me?

[catboi]

I specifically would try to avoid doing the former in a newbie game. You yourself had expressed a desire to not play "cat and mouse" so I've toned it down. As it is, my perception of the game is that it is mostly lethargic with my own slot being a not particularly trusted one so my mission has been to interrogate people to try to hold them accountable for their reads and then try to get my view of the game out as clearly as possible.

That being said, if I am right and you are wrong, I get the personal satisfaction of laughing all the way to the end of

you being wrong on me, yet again

. What better joke is there than that?

[catboi]

Seems to have gotten a guilty report. See Post 595 and other posts.

...Why are you assuming Margot has a guilty report on you?

[catboi]

VOTE: RH9

This is the most daft thing I've seen someone do in a game, ever.

[catboi]

I'm wondering if there's a language barrier thing here because I really cannot comprehend claiming scum unprompted, although I rule nothing out of the realm of possibility in newbie games. It's still incomprehensible to me why he'd assume it's possible for town to have a guilty report on him if he's town.


UNVOTE:


Don't want any possibility of a hammer just yet.

[catboi]

"if" you flip town?

[catboi]

I made clear that I didn't understand the Reg wagon in 401 and wanted clarification of where it had come from, because something seemed off. Given that noone could give me an adequate explanation of why it had happened, I decided to distrust it.

Then I'm not sure why you "retracted" your hate for the wagon, then, without being given so much as an explanation.

I didn't retract my hate for the wagon. I retracted my hate for the fact that Cheeky didn't mention it was e-1, because it wasn't e-1, and the thing I mentioned hating didn't happen. I always hated the wagon

I don't know why I thought it was 4 to elim d1. Apologies. I retract my hate

You, again, appear to be contradicting your own words. Your actions mostly look like retroactive justification that doesn't hold water as any sort of believable thought process. The fact that you never even stated a read on Reg looks like you were positioning yourself against the wagon to look good later then blame others, and not that you had any sort of legitimate townread of RegRider. You can call your thoughts "stream of consciousness" but that doesn't absolve you from having to back them up at all and the fact that you continue to try to minimize this rather than produce any follow through suggests to me it's not a real thought.

[catboi]

My biggest worry so far is that I townread both CheekyTeeky and Prism. Self-voting is like so scummy and cross-voting is not right to me either. I would have wanted to vote camelCasedSnivy to see if CheekyTeeky is right about them being on the scum team, but then that would get me eliminated Day 3, and I don't want to get eliminated or NKed, as a matter of fact. So I'll just wait for somebody else to vote before voting.

...why do you find cheeky's arguments for camel being scum convincing?

[catboi]

so uh

catboi

whatchu thinkin

hope the weather's nice outside 4 u

I legitimately want to kill almost anyone, despite my stated reads, camel's refusal to do absolutely anything is incredibly bothersome, connor only 3 posts this phase is a bad look and his reads list felt like a cheap gloss over the thread, it did not give me the sense of someone who cares to get more meaningfully involved

[catboi]

Uh, what are we supposed to do? Day 2 feels so quiet. Is this normal? Also, should I vote anybody? There's apparently two days until Night 3. camelCasedSnivy seems quieter than Day 1. But this isn't scummy, right? Like they claimed like Vanilla Town already. Also, I am tempted to cross-vote but that just feels scummy to me. Like unless you know the person who's voting you is Mafia, voting them just feels wrong.

No, this isn't normal, I have been trying to provide input but I cannot pull a game along by myself

[catboi]

My biggest worry so far is that I townread both CheekyTeeky and Prism. Self-voting is like so scummy and cross-voting is not right to me either. I would have wanted to vote camelCasedSnivy to see if CheekyTeeky is right about them being on the scum team, but then that would get me eliminated Day 3, and I don't want to get eliminated or NKed, as a matter of fact. So I'll just wait for somebody else to vote before voting.

...why do you find cheeky's arguments for camel being scum convincing?

I just found it that if camelCasedSnivy or me both flip Town, CheekyTeeky's going to lose credibility but so would MargotRosa if I flip Town.

You have expressed a townread on cheekyteeky and a willingness to follow her and I'm not sure I understand why.

[catboi]

I made clear that I didn't understand the Reg wagon in 401 and wanted clarification of where it had come from, because something seemed off. Given that noone could give me an adequate explanation of why it had happened, I decided to distrust it.

Then I'm not sure why you "retracted" your hate for the wagon, then, without being given so much as an explanation.

I didn't retract my hate for the wagon. I retracted my hate for the fact that Cheeky didn't mention it was e-1, because it wasn't e-1, and the thing I mentioned hating didn't happen. I always hated the wagon

I don't know why I thought it was 4 to elim d1. Apologies. I retract my hate

You, again, appear to be contradicting your own words. Your actions mostly look like retroactive justification that doesn't hold water as any sort of believable thought process. The fact that you never even stated a read on Reg looks like you were positioning yourself against the wagon to look good later then blame others, and not that you had any sort of legitimate townread of RegRider. You can call your thoughts "stream of consciousness" but that doesn't absolve you from having to back them up at all and the fact that you continue to try to minimize this rather than produce any follow through suggests to me it's not a real thought.

I agree that the process around the wagon (very randomly strong read, retroactive justification) isn't the best but I don't think there's much contradiction with the claim about hatred w/r/t the wagon vs. Cheeky's vote. I was skeptical but reviewing Margot's posts around Cheeky's vote it actually lines up.

I feel like even if the explanation makes sense, the overall approach there just does not feel town to me

[catboi]

VOTE: RegRider

I'll agree with flow trap on this one.
And, once again as a side note... Pressuring someone doesn't work if you tell them that's what you are doing.

Just wanna point this out, "I'll agree with flow trap on this one" seems a bit suspicious to me because given RegRider gets eliminated and they flip Town, scum would blame flow trap in this situation for proposing the idea despite not following the other ones which could've resolved in a Mafia flip.



...or I'm thinking about this way too hard. Who knows

Gross shading in anticipation of a reg town flip.

Okay, but, why do they nightkill DTX if they went there to shade them? the thinking there doesn't add up. i get that plans change etc etc but generally people don't decide to kill the person they FOSed. I'm biased, of course, because I know he's saying this in defense of a slot I know is town (mine).

[catboi]

I think cheeky's reread is actually fairly towny? It looks like decent process, she's commenting on thngs as she goes rather than operating with a specific agenda, the observations all

make sense

to me even if I disagree with them, I can see why she's saying this stuff.

I disagree on 700, the comments from Connor are tivial to fake and in fact taken out of context feel slightly performative to me

[catboi]

I have to say that I pretty much read everybody town so far. However, I'm not sure what makes camelCasedSnivy, CheekyTeeky, or DaTacoX, mafia. I do find it confusing why camelCasedSnivy read themselves as Mafia. I have to say that these reads might change later.

Never said DTX was mafia. Cheeky probs is mafia bc of their poe and their bw and also you really took my self suspicion seriously.

I just thought that the way you read yourself made me think that you were a vanilla role. I thought that if you had an extremely important role, you would be reading yourself as 100% town or something, but then I could be wrong. I do apologise if I took your self suspicion too seriously.

I think RH9 is overplaying the newb card. Even if he's never played forum mafia before, any kind of mafia is all about being deceptive and finding deception. I don't think any sane person would think that because they are a PR they should act and claim to be incredibly townie when it's more natural to obscure the fact you're a PR with some well balanced scumminess.

And since this same style has continued into D2 it's just incredibly fake.

I also think that the PR hunt thing D1 implicated RH9 as a PR so the fact that DTX died over them is very suspicious. If I were scum I would've shot RH9 no question.

After all the ISO skims I'm willing to vote in {RH9, Catboi} camel is probably just tstbs.

VOTE: Catboi as the more dangerous of the two, though fine to switch to RH9 if people prefer that.

Why am I scum independent of RH9 associations?

[catboi]

Why do they make you feel a bit better? What are you hoping to accomplish between now and the deadline? We've only slightly over a day left, we really din't have time to waste. If there's something

you

want to do, then fine, but if your aim is to sit around waiting for more things to happen I find that unacceptable.

[catboi]

Can't tell if connor is scum who is barely giving the appearance of solving or another RegRider who's just woefully disconnected from the tempo of the game. I am concerned because scum often lean on IRL excuses as a reason for thread avoidance. I don't want to come across as unsympathetic, I don't doubt the issue is real and unfortunate, but it does not lessen my suspicions here.

[catboi]

I'm going to go feral. It's not okay for people to be unvoting without voting elsewhere this close to deadline. The only reason I was sitting on my vote was because if I had I would've hammered Margot. I will shed no tears if we have to deadline rush someone who isn't voting. It seems that the lesson of Day 1 has not stuck with some of the people in this game at all.

Will read more later. Still haven't actually given Margot's posts a proper look.

[catboi]

...yes, if you participated in a game until you're removed by elimination vote, it counts as a completed game. I saw the whole sequence between cheeky and you day 1 where she obviously thought you were a PR. I don't think killing a PR read is always the smartest choice for mafia, but that's neither here nor there.

RH9, who do you want to vote today? We have less than 24 hours.

[catboi]

VOTE: connor

I'm not going to just sit on my haunches. Voting here to see if there's any interest. I hate the performative unvote followed by nothing at all. Willing to move if there's no enthusiasm for this vote.

[catboi]

I think it says a lot that my "don't vote" pool is basically just camel who I'm more just praying to mafia jesus is town rather than anything super concrete

I feel like any vote either sucks or incriminates myself so theres my standing
If you think I'm mafia then be glad that I'm not voting a Townie rn

I don't understand, how is it that you feel there is

literally no one

you want to vote? How is that possible? Not even for the sake of having a flip, someone you're unsure about? Why is being worried about "incriminating yourself" such a big concern? Who do you feel like voting would incriminate you?


,,,have you considered that

not voting

might, in fact, incriminate you more?

[catboi]

I'm not really convinced margotrosa is town after finally reading over the responses, but meh. No time for that now. I'm off for the night but will be back in 8 hours or so.

[catboi]

There were still 8 hours left and that was hammer. I would've appreciated waiting for a claim first even though connor's continued absence from the game was incredibly detrimental regardless of alignment. I think that's a +scum move from cheeky if connor is town, but let's see how he flips.

I don't know, I'm super displeased with basically everything about camel's play here, I still lean toward it coming from town but the sheer refusal of even

trying

to look like he cares is infuriating to the point that a part of me wonders if it's performative.

[catboi]

Basically my reads right now are a complete mess.

[catboi]

I find it basically impossible to comprehend that camel cares this little about actually trying to win

[catboi]

GG

[catboi]

If anyone from this game would like to play in a somewhat similar 9p game with a different setup, I have an open game currently in signups

[catboi]

There's more town than mafia, so it's not like not getting a guilty investigation is all that uncommon. I think your targets could have been better, although that's easy to say with hindsight. Getting clears isn't all bad, even, but when there's only one mafia left you want to check someone who is a potential suspect, because even if they're not guilty you can ensure town won't waste an elimination on them.

I was convinced the Mafia must have bussed or miseliminated.

Well, why did you think that? A mafia teammate bussing connor in that situation would have been highly risky. In particular, cheeky hammering him without a claim was risking being put into autoloss.