Newbie 2079 | Open House | Game Over!!!

[Connordragon07]

Having a European timezone is both a blessing and a curse, since most of these messages were sent between 12am and 4am for me lol. Never played a forum mafia before but hopefully this'll be as fun as more fast-paced mafia games. Voting Prism since they're decently active so far but are yet to vote. Also, may I ask what the numbers are next to each player in the votecount post?

VOTE: Prism

[Connordragon07]

Ah, ty, Cheeky is also the most active one so it'd make sense if it was the amount of posts.

[Connordragon07]

Oh they have, welcome Connor from Europe tell me why prism not voting might be scum indicative?

Just thought it was a bit weird that they were active and were yet to vote, that's all. Pretty sure I was the third person to respond to my PM because I just logged on before I went to sleep and saw that I had a new message.

What's bwing?

Find it kinda weird that Cheeky doesn't know what bandwagoning is when they're SE and it's a really common term but I'll let it slide.

Prism seems really aggressive but I can't tell if they're pushy mafia or just a pushy townie, so yeah.

I'll try to post at least twice a day, if not more, but this'll (probably) be my last post for now since it's 12am.

[Connordragon07]

Oh they have, welcome Connor from Europe tell me why prism not voting might be scum indicative?

Just thought it was a bit weird that they were active and were yet to vote, that's all. Pretty sure I was the third person to respond to my PM because I just logged on before I went to sleep and saw that I had a new message.

What's bwing?

Find it kinda weird that Cheeky doesn't know what bandwagoning is when they're SE and it's a really common term but I'll let it slide.

Prism seems really aggressive but I can't tell if they're pushy mafia or just a pushy townie, so yeah.

I'll try to post at least twice a day, if not more, but this'll (probably) be my last post for now since it's 12am.

I guess that bwing is not a common Forum Mafia abbreviation, so I guess that it makes sense that CheekyTeeky didn't know it. Should I unvote so that I can be free to vote somebody else and I know that there's no more AFKs?

By the way, I think that I'll do it now and think of somebody else to vote. UNVOTE: Connordragon07

Thought the abbreviation for bandwagoning was just as common as saying bandwagoning itself but I guess I was wrong, ignore my statement about it now lol.

In chat mafia, early bws are a pretty decent indicator of Mafia so sorry about that ig?

Yeah, usually a pretty regular occurrence is VFR'ing someone and if it's a fast vote then they're probably not part of a scum group and if it's a fast vote they're probably scum and their partners aren't voting them.

Flowtrap's entrance is so random that all reasons for this point to them being town.

I'm just random in general as far as I'm aware

Yeah, flow is probably a townie just because of how chill they've been this whole time.

I have to say that I pretty much read everybody town so far. However, I'm not sure what makes camelCasedSnivy, CheekyTeeky, or DaTacoX, mafia. I do find it confusing why camelCasedSnivy read themselves as Mafia. I have to say that these reads might change later.

Never said DTX was mafia. Cheeky probs is mafia bc of their poe and their bw and also you really took my self suspicion seriously.

I just thought that the way you read yourself made me think that you were a vanilla role. I thought that if you had an extremely important role, you would be reading yourself as 100% town or something, but then I could be wrong. I do apologise if I took your self suspicion too seriously.

I agree with your point on Snivy being a vanilla role, don't think I've ever seen a PR intentionally put suspicion on themselves before.

[Connordragon07]

I just thought that the way you read yourself made me think that you were a vanilla role. I thought that if you had an extremely important role, you would be reading yourself as 100% town or something, but then I could be wrong. I do apologise if I took your self suspicion too seriously.

I agree with your point on Snivy being a vanilla role, don't think I've ever seen a PR intentionally put suspicion on themselves before.

Can we not do the "PR hunt for the mafia" game please

Fair enough, forgot that confirming non-PR's could out actual PR's by narrowing down the options, sorry 'bout that. Wrote this literally about 5 minutes after I woke up lol.

Wait, you were on ConnorDragon07? I thought that it was camelCasedSnivy who claimed Vanilla. Oh dear! I feel so bad. now that I kind of outted too many people.

No, you're correct, they were talking to Snivy, I never claimed vanilla, just said I thought that Snivy was a basic role too.

Anyways, I think it's time to UNVOTE: Prism now since they're giving off less-scummy vibes after they started posting more.

[Connordragon07]

Anyways, I think it's time to UNVOTE: Prism now since they're giving off less-scummy vibes after they started posting more.

The last thing you said about me was:

Prism seems really aggressive but I can't tell if they're pushy mafia or just a pushy townie, so yeah.

This is talking about my spree of posting, and I basically quit posting immediately after this except for post 77. I'm not really sure what changed for you in between posts 69 and 135.

Fair enough, just thought that it wasn't very necessary to keep holding the vote on you, and after rereading your posts I'm leaning towards you just being a pushy townie, especially with the next post.

I'm having a hard time deciding how to feel about Camel. I thought that the "when I get voted out" was preemptive and performative. I've seen a lot of mafia react that way over the years, and thus kept my vote.

I'm not a big fan of this sequence from RH9, so I could see myself voting there as an alternative:

Anyways, should I just vote RegRider as my second random vote? I think I'll do it anyways until he says something about it.
VOTE: RegRider

Actually, UNVOTE: RegRider. I forgot that he said that he was going to be inactive until D2.

Which takes place over the course of a minute. I'm not sure whether it's scummy to read the person only after voting them, but 123 just...immediately removes any hope of getting something from the vote to begin with by saying it's still random and only wants acknowledgement.

I do think it's a bit strange that they instantly unvoted but I can forgive it, even though Reg isn't gonna be very active at all until D2 I still think they should at least try and attempt to speak when they can. The posts they made earlier too weren't even about the game, just about how many games of mafia RH9 played and the creation date of their account.

[Connordragon07]

I'm probably not going to very active today. Sorry.

That's fine, you're the second most active one here so I don't think it matters if you're quieter for a day.

[Connordragon07]

Well, hopefully the replacement will be more active at least.

[Connordragon07]

Pretty sure I've played with Snivy like once on mafia.gg when I was playing with my friends, but other than that I don't think I've played with any of you on another site.

[Connordragon07]

Ayyy, the new person is here and is already throwing out reads (even though they're about herself) lol.

[Connordragon07]

Snivy stop stealing the pagetops let others have a turn at them. -_-

Find it kinda weird that Snivy voted themselves but I won't vote them since I don't wanna get them voted out lol.

[Connordragon07]

Reading the last few pages, not much has stuck out to me.

Was putting a reads list together before I came in the thread, wrote at the top of the doc "snake guy is scummy af" without realising I am now the snake guy. Alas, I am Town, and clearly have bad reads on first impression

It is currently 2am where I am, so I'm going to try and get some sleep and remake the reads list in the morning

I didn’t see anything that could be interpreted as particularly scummy from Noksve. What are you referring to besides the lack of posts?

I thought this was a good question, and I was also curious as to what the other reads were even if they were immediately thrown in the trash.

I am also wondering if Connor has any other reads. He seems to have put me in the townlean bin based off of my 182, but most of the commentary on other slots have drawn neutral conclusions. That's not the worst thing-this is a very slow game, and honestly lacking in content across the board-but if there are any other reads, I'd like to hear about them.

Don't really have any solid reads rn other than you leaning into being townie and Snivy probably being townie, Taco is just slightly leaning into town because of all the questioning they're doing but I'm not too sure if they're town.

Currently 1am and typing from my phone so I'll try and give more detailed reads once I'm not half-asleep lol.

[Connordragon07]

To respond to Rosa, I'm an infamously aggressive and demanding player as both alignments. It is the norm for every game, whether 9p or 18p, for better or worse, to revolve around me. As town I am rigorous and demanding to a fault, and as scum I am a complete control freak.

I do not want to be that way this game. The point of it is to encourage the Newbies to find footing and learn something. I was willing to be patient to let others experiment, drive the game, and hopefully get comfortable and only nudge when needed. The first time I went out of my way to amplify a voice wasn't any vote or push but actually with Cheeky's town PoE, which I hoped would put pressure scum to try and break into it.

When the game clearly had trouble getting started and numerous players voiced bewilderment akin to treading water, I decided to play a bit more aggressive to help get us into gear. While I was not the first vote, the Camel wagon was clearly started by me.

While all of this is an explanation for my play so far, I don't think any of the above is indicative of being town for me. I genuinely want to make this a pleasant learning experience, and this has been more of a motivator behind my play than what rolecard I drew.

Yeah, I can understand that now that I've seen you post more, I enjoy that the new player is already throwing out reads but they seem to categorise most people as scum rn lol.

Connordragon07:

104 is twigging my spider senses a bit. I don’t like posts that are that large, but have very little to say when all is said and done. Certainly seem appreciative of the PR hunt

Fair enough, thought that making my posts bigger would help null out the fact I was less active than most by replying to things all at once, but I'll try to just be more active and post more instead. Not appreciating the PR hunt, was just enjoying the fact we got some proper action lol; also not an excuse to me participating in the PR hunt but I'm used to mafia games where there just aren't basic town/mafia members (eg. Town of Salem) so it kind of lessened the fact that it might not be the best play in my mind.

Camel:

Town on vibes. 62 is very sweet, and very newb Townie.

Yeah out of everyone Snivy is probably my favorite person to watch play rn.

Rosa seems very town to me currently but that could change depending on their future posts, since all they've said so far is their reads. Also their formatting is amazing and I already appreciate them for that lol.

VOTE: RegRider

171-175 feels too fluffy

Eh, seems like they were just asking a valid question to me, a two year old account in a newbie game is

kinda

strange.

[Connordragon07]

I've gone from the try my best mindset to "well im already fucked so may as well just mess around"

But... you aren't?

I'm priority on everyone's scumlist but yours

Snivy, like two-thirds of the players think you're townie lol, you're my top town read too.

[Connordragon07]

Since everyone unvoted you lol.

[Connordragon07]

Connordragon07 has been prodded

Literally just got the chance to check in about 5 minutes before you prodded me, did check once before I went to bed last night, but couldn't be bothered typing a post with my phone lol.

[Connordragon07]

Why is everyone against RegRider and Prism?

tbh not sure, I feel like they're one of the more townie people rn.

Mine would be:
Town {DTX, Margot}
Town lean {flow, RH9, camel}
Scum lean {Regrider, Connor, Prism}

Margot only made 5 posts, why do you Town read them?

Margot feels town based on what they've said, at least to me, but the insistence at the beginning that they thought they were filling in for mafia and were wrong feels just slightly off. I do feel like they should try to check in just a bit more, even though I can understand that they've been busy with other games.

[Connordragon07]

These two posts, mainly.

[Connordragon07]

Nice, the urls both worked first try lol.

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Oh right, think I forgot to say in the post but I don't know about Reg atm, he's neutral for me, Prism is a town read from me though. Was only referring to Prism when I said that lol, sorry for the confusion.

[Connordragon07]

Apparently they think RegRider is mafia because they asked why RH9, a player who had their account for two years, was playing in the newbie queue. Just a genuine question and he's getting voted for it.

[Connordragon07]

Apparently they think RegRider is mafia because they asked why RH9, a player who had their account for two years, was playing in the newbie queue. Just a genuine question and he's getting voted for it.

It's more than that for me.

1. Voted on Cheeky for "pressure" then unvoted immediately when she was barely close to being eliminated.
2. Suspicious of flow for looking into and questioning his earlier messages. (Never actually answered the question)
3. Only comments thus far are on messages directed towards himself and responding negatively to Cheeky's posts.

Because of the lack of content and the fact that I've interpreted a lot of it to be suspicious, I consider RegRider to be the safest vote today.

Fair enough, just based off the account creation question though it's quite stupid.

I think that the some of the reasons provided by DaTacoX, especially the one on pressuring CheekyTeeky, has prompted me to VOTE: RegRider.

Panicked for a second cuz I thought y'all just mislynched while I was gone lol.

[Connordragon07]

I think that the some of the reasons provided by DaTacoX, especially the one on pressuring CheekyTeeky, has prompted me to VOTE: RegRider.

Panicked for a second cuz I thought y'all just mislynched while I was gone lol.

That's a little much for someone you just had as a neutral read?

I don't think you're voting atm-who are your top picks to vote out today? We do need to start getting a move on.

As a small note, try to avoid use of the word "lynch" here. We're trying to phase it out of the site vocabulary, but I understand it's deeply embedded.

Oh right, forgot that you weren't supposed to say it here, used to ToS vocab so sorry about that. Don't really have any proper scum reads but out of everyone, thought flow was a bit weird for random pushing RegRider based off of the whole experience situation but Taco brought up some proper points of why they were voting Reg so the slight sus on them is null now. If I had to pick somebody it'd be Margot just because of them calling Prism scum for points that contradicted their previous statements about them. I'm very conflicted about RegRider right now though because of Taco's points on why they were voting them, but I have a gut feeling that they're townie.

[Connordragon07]

I would say that voting Connordragon07 seems reasonable due to Post 424 where he says that he thought that we miseliminated RegRider. This could be a legitimate slip or he could have been so confident that RegRider was Town, that he thought that it was mislim. However, I am propably going to wait a while for Connordragon07's response and then decide whether or not I should vote him.

Not really sure if Snivy would remember but when I played with them on Mafia.gg, I was extremely against voting without evidence. RVS is fine for me since we're just messing around and nobody's gonna be condemned during it, but unless Cop had info/it was pretty much confirmed townies left I just wouldn't hammer unless I rolled mafia. Just used to ToS logic where it isn't optimal to condemn someone D2 unless somebody had significant info or just outright refused to claim on the stand.

[Connordragon07]

And actually, I might vote for Connordragon07 because he seems to want Cop to out if they have info even though this might put Cop in danger. See Post 453. VOTE: Connordragon07

By 'Info' I mean when they find someone guilty lol, also Tracker exists in most slots in the NewD3 setup but I'm just saying Cop since I'm more accustomed to them being the classic Town Investigative. (sheriff in ToS works the same, cop in Mafia.gg, tracker is in paid DLC only for ToS and I don't think I've encountered a tracker before on Mafia.gg.)

And as possibly my last post for Day 1, I'm going to make a table of observations.

RH9's Observations
Player	Notes
Connordragon07	Does not seem concerned about my PR hunt and seems to find it all right for Cop to out if they have info, even. if this could lead to a PR getting killed by Mafia. Seemed to have thought that eliminating RegRider was mislim, though that seems to be because he thinks that we shouldn't vote without evidence, which makes sense. See Posts 104, 424,438, and 453.

Still kinda unsure why people think I properly PR hunted, since all I did was say I had the same opinion as you on Snivy, wasn't concerned about PR hunting as much because in my mind it was just like VFR'ing people, though I've obviously learnt my lesson on not to state my role opinions unless I think they're scum/townie and not the specific role lol. For the Cop bit, see above.

And as possibly my last post for Day 1, I'm going to make a table of observations.

RH9's Observations
Player	Notes
MargotRosa	Also is very good at being convincing. See Post 271 which convinced me to vote Prism, for a while.

I do agree that Margot was very convincing when she first appeared, but I don't really trust them anymore after Prism brought up the fact that most of their claims were contradictory to what she was saying while voting them, saying that their voting made no sense and was scummy despite the fact they said that they were only bandwagoning and not voting in their reads list.

[Connordragon07]

And actually, I might vote for Connordragon07 because he seems to want Cop to out if they have info even though this might put Cop in danger. See Post 453. VOTE: Connordragon07

Cop should out if they have a guilty, but this is funny coming from the person who was PR fishing.

...Is this seriously the only thing you have to comment on after being AWOL the last few days?

Tempted to abandon my own wagon and vote you for this alone.

Hey, now it's my turn to not know what an abbreviation means lol, what exactly does AWOL stand for? Can't find any info about it by searching on the wiki or looking on the Commonly Used Abbreviations page.

[Connordragon07]

And actually, I might vote for Connordragon07 because he seems to want Cop to out if they have info even though this might put Cop in danger. See Post 453. VOTE: Connordragon07

Cop should out if they have a guilty, but this is funny coming from the person who was PR fishing.

...Is this seriously the only thing you have to comment on after being AWOL the last few days?

Tempted to abandon my own wagon and vote you for this alone.

Hey, now it's my turn to not know what an abbreviation means lol, what exactly does AWOL stand for? Can't find any info about it by searching on the wiki or looking on the Commonly Used Abbreviations page.

AWOL isn't a mafia abbreviation. It (iirc) is a military term meaning Absent Without Offical Leave. Basically lurking.

Ty, checked it on google after you said this and this is the definition I got.

AWOL
/ˈeɪwɒl/
adjective-MILITARY
absent without official leave but without intent to desert.
"we not only dealt with the enemy but with servicemen who had gone AWOL"
absent from where one should be; missing.
"if, having been treated in this way, students go AWOL, no one should be surprised"

[Connordragon07]

Is No Condemn just as viable as it is in Mafia.gg/ToS or is it more beneficial to random vote D1? If it will benefit town more then I will vote for Reg, even though I don't really think it's him.

[Connordragon07]

Alright then, guess I'll VOTE: RegRider, not really sure it's them but I don't wanna be miscondemned so.

[Connordragon07]

How long do we have until days ends?

[Connordragon07]

tbh out of everyone Margot would probably have been my choice in vote but y'all condemned while I was typing a reply lol, also Flow does be most active around now (10pm for me) so it is slightly strange.

[Connordragon07]

Sorry about not posting yet, realised that D2 started right before I went to sleep but couldn't be bothered to post at like 12:30am, forgot about it until now then had to log in again since I started using Opera GX instead of Google Chrome. Prism's new PFP is also good.

To be fair, I'm somewhat confused as to why Mafia chose to target DaTacoX.

I'm also sad that we lost two Vanilla Townies.

I think that voting flow trap may seem like a good idea, because they started the bandwagon on RegRider. However, flow trap could be Town.

I don't know what but something about that sentence makes me increase my suspicion on RH9.

Fair, usually posts talking about it being sad that town died end up being scummy, at least from other similar games that I've played, not sure if I wanna vote solely off of that though.

I kinda want to vote this again. Thinking RH9/Camel could be it but I'll need to stew on D1 a bit before I'm confident on pushing that for the team.

Unsure about RH9 but imo Snivy gives off townie vibes, especially from early D1.

I agree with RH9's opinion on Prism being a town leader, probably give off the heaviest town vibes right now.

[Connordragon07]

I left for like 11 hours and I've missed out on like 3 pages of content. I'm assuming Prism and Catboi have a lot of history from the way they've interacted so far lol. Will probably try to read over it properly in the morning when I'm not half-falling asleep.

[Connordragon07]

I am back, have had a headache the past 2 days (dunno why I haven't been prodded yet) but I'll try and put my opinions in here a bit.

Catboi: Despite swapping in for a person that I didn't really like just for what seemed like a push with zero reason at the time, they definitely feel more townie than Flow Trap (even if they may make my head hurt a bit while reading their posts lol).

Prism: Still feels as townie as they did throughout Day 1 and the start of Day 2, still town leader imo but I don't really wanna vote up Catboi for now.

Cheeky: They're fine. Don't really heavily townread them and probably slightly townlean them but imo they're fine.

Snivy: Even though they said they always act like that, town and mafia alike, I still feel like the giving up early on D1 and voting themselves was townie.

RH9: Eh, slight scumread, don't like all the talk of "If I was mafia," earlier in the day.

MargotRosa: Probably my biggest scumread, even though it was ages ago now I still can't give up the fact that they tried to get Prism voted with false evidence.

Out of everyone I feel like I'll VOTE: MargotRosa but if we end up piling onto RH9 instead or you can change my mind on any of the others then I'm fine to hop onto them.

[Connordragon07]

Haven't been able to post much the last few days because I had a really bad headache on Wednesday and it only got worse up until Saturday, starting to feel a bit better now so I should be able to post more D3.

Rereading this entrance post I noticed that it's all shade >.> I think I was seduced by the Prism vote.
Connor/Margot not SvS.

Not 100% sure what SvS means so could I get a rundown on the acronym?

The recent posts Margot have made have made me feel a bit better about them, they could be Appealing to Emotion but at the same time they did give off a tired energy in their previous votes, and I feel like I'll UNVOTE: MargotRosa for now, if we don't switch to RH9 or somebody else by the time day is almost over then I'm fine to revote them, but I don't feel like having it end just yet. Should be on within the last few hours since that's only like 10pm-11pm for me so I shouldn't be doing anything else.