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T3's Micro Normal Review, September 2021

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:16 pm
by implosion
T3 wrote:hi :]
Can I please get an 8 player micro normal reviewed? I'll run it in the micro queue.
Setup:
Town Babysitter
Town 1-shot Watcher
4 VT

2 Mafia Goons

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:16 pm
by implosion
Primary: RadiantCowbells
Secondary: Isis

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:38 pm
by RadiantCowbells
well

this is pretty scumsided as is, like babysitter is an omega swingy role but even if, say, babysitter kills a mafia there's still not many clears for town but there's also the fact that if babysitter is forced to claim like D1 and watcher doesn't claim that's actually really good for town? and just overall I'm not really enthused about either the balance or how things work mechanically since the game does effectively have only 1 ML a lot of the rime

How open would you be to adding a VT and making it a one shot cop instead because i think that's both healthier design wise in terms of preventing scum from having really bad outcomes when 1 pr outs D1 and it's also better balanced since the trade-off for day 2 mylo is having a cop check in play

if that's not something you're keen on then, like, first step is to add a VT and second step is to give the watcher extra charges, and it's still mildly unhealthy design in my opinion but it's passable

If keeping it at 8p is something you're really keen on then i think it's better to switch the babysitter for a 1-shot vig bc the amount of swing that the babysitter currently produces in 8p is just trolling extremely toxic, like if the babysitter targets a town read and gets shot then town winrate is likely close to zero

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:43 pm
by RadiantCowbells
So i can't pass it is as is but I'll offer to pass any of

VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
Babysitter
2-Shot Watcher
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

or

VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
Babysitter
1-Shot Cop
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

Or

VT
VT
VT
VT
1-Shot Vigilante
1-Shot Watcher
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:43 pm
by RadiantCowbells
If you'd rather do something else lmk

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:04 pm
by RadiantCowbells
Oh and if you go with the watcher babysitter one I'd actually advise that you run it open since scum are going to be livid if they get get baited into a guilty or even a protected watcher

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:34 am
by T3
Probably the last setup because the point of babysitter in the setup was for the possibility of 2 kills to happen.
Thanks!

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:58 am
by Isis
Last setup looks alright.
Scum getting the vig to e1 can be a little no-good-deed-unpunished but with the stronger scum partner only eluding a reduced number of lims that should be fine.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:18 am
by T3
ty
can i enter it into signups?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:45 pm
by implosion
Oh yeah I didn't realize you hadn't /in'd to mod - the norm with normal games (even in the micro queue i think) is to /in to mod when you send the setup over. So yeah, feel free to /in.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:18 pm
by RadiantCowbells
In post 7, Isis wrote:Last setup looks alright.
Scum getting the vig to e1 can be a little no-good-deed-unpunished but with the stronger scum partner only eluding a reduced number of lims that should be fine.
eh

spies should always quickhammer that if they know what they're doing

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:19 pm
by RadiantCowbells
i can do role pms if you want them, otherwise you can make them and i'll look them over

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:31 pm
by T3
oh yeah, role pms

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:09 am
by T3
Welcome, you are a Town 1-shot Vigilante.

Each night you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome, you are a Town 1-shot Watcher.

Each night you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn who targeted that player that night.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome, you are a Vanilla Townie.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome, you are a Mafia Goon.

You share a factional PT with your partner, [player (Mafia Goon)]. Each night one member of the mafia may target a player. Assuming no interference with you action, that player will die.

You win when the mafia outnumber the town or nothing can prevent that.

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:34 am
by RadiantCowbells
v good pass

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:35 am
by RadiantCowbells
Wait I'm an idiot

Rephrase to once per.game in both the one shots

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:48 am
by T3
In post 13, T3 wrote:Welcome, you are a Town 1-shot Vigilante.

Once per game you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome, you are a Town 1-shot Watcher.

Once per game you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn who targeted that player that night.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome, you are a Vanilla Townie.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome, you are a Mafia Goon.

You share a factional PT with your partner, [player (Mafia Goon)]. Each night one member of the mafia may target a player. Assuming no interference with you action, that player will die.

You win when the mafia outnumber the town or nothing can prevent that.

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:29 pm
by RadiantCowbells
Paws