Slaughter Hour: Grand Debut | Hell

[ulyana]

hm, should i also be holding my thoughts

[ulyana]

No because anyone obvtown should have seen I was town.

if you’re town, how would you expect me to see that? like to me, you came into game scumreading me based on lack of content in first 30 pages or something, something which gamma had already made a show out of pointing out and which i had already addressed, and otherwise you seemed to refuse to sort me in anyway based on my actual posts and so forth

and like, the toogeloo is confirmed thing still kinda feels like tmi but i’m not weighting it as much as i was earlier due to having been wrong about toogeloo

[ulyana]

I might sacrifice for Ydra
It could be worth it to disable scum being able to save someone

If one of us lives, we just die tomorrow.

if you’re town, and the team isn’t exactly ydrasse/sircakez, then being alive is not only good but also somewhat necessary i don’t understand your logic here

[ulyana]

There's literally no point.

like the point is to not lose the game if you’re town? like sure i feel like i have been just talking head into wall for a while now but what else is there to do?

[ulyana]

like do you trust sircakez? and if so, why? and if not, then what do you make of sircakez saying maybe save ydrasse?

[ulyana]

No because anyone obvtown should have seen I was town.

it’s not like i don’t get this on some level though, like i feel as though i have been obvtown this game and everyone should see that as well, but at the same time,

If I felt someone was competent, I'd sacrifice. I don't though.

i’m not particularly competent and all i really have going for me here is that i am town; like i’m not particularly good at mafia and i am quite bad at communication, but how do you see us winning if you’re town? just hoping it’s ydrasse/sircakez and the heaven folks will kill ydrasse if sircakez sends her through?

[ulyana]

I might sacrifice for Ydra

why though?

and if you’re town could you please just talk to me

like i get that if you’re town you’re just blindly hoping i’m scum but i’m not and i get that i’m not useful i do and it’s fine if you don’t like me - i don’t like me - but please

like you say i desperate scum but i not i just desperate because game does not feel right and the only thing i know for sure is that i town so i fight for that

[ulyana]

You don't have defenders aside from me.

If people won't defend me, why would I save them?

There's no reason.

Let us all die and then whoever lives can be nuked tomorrow.

my ‘defenders’ all sent me here without actually giving me any chance and that is one of the things i spent last phase trying to get to the bottom of -

like all of petapan, gammagooey, taly say i town but should go to hell anyway, so

[ulyana]

she knows she is town, and she thinks then that at least 1 of us has to be scum because otherwise the game is over if all of us die down here unless heaven can somehow 'cast someone out' but i don't know if they'd do that given how strongly they townblocked

this better version of one of the main things i trying to ask titus

[ulyana]

she knows she is town, and she thinks then that at least 1 of us has to be scum because otherwise the game is over if all of us die down here unless heaven can somehow 'cast someone out' but i don't know if they'd do that given how strongly they townblocked

this better version of one of the main things i trying to ask titus

like how does she see town winning with this approach unless team is exactly ydrasse/sircakez

[ulyana]

The only way no save is bad is if scum got into heaven and I don't see that.

so like i said entire plan for you is hope sircakez/ydrasse is the team, while sircakez is saying might send ydrasse?

i don’t get it

[ulyana]

i'm trying to think of the scum motivation sircakez has to save me and it's not coming to mind off the top of my head, to set me up to be killed if i go back into the game at endgame compared to one of the others or something through an event? i guess it's like, i wasn't good enough for heaven because the rest were townier so, it's like a ~last hurrah~ for scum having to do something to not die here so he's framing me which means there's at least 1 partner in heaven.

hm, it’s like way more complicated then that right, like if sircakez/titus then would be hoping that i would feel the need to send titus because sircakez sent you and i easy mark for stuff like that

[ulyana]

If it's 2 of the 3 of you, scum have to sacrifice their own.

but from my point of view i know that your plan would have to be hoping for exactly the other two if you’re town, and you say you are townreading one of those players, so

[ulyana]

If it's 2 of the 3 of you, scum have to sacrifice their own.

but from my point of view i know that your plan would have to be hoping for exactly the other two if you’re town, and you say you are townreading one of those players, so

#confused rephrase

it’s like, you say ‘this plan good’ because scum in me/ydrasse/sircakez, but i am town, so to me that leaves sircakez/ydrasse, and you saying sircakez town to you, so to me that just leaves your plan as ‘hope ydrasse is scum’, but ydrasse is the one player anyone has said they might send through anyway

[ulyana]

If it's 2 of the 3 of you, scum have to sacrifice their own.

but from my point of view i know that your plan would have to be hoping for exactly the other two if you’re town, and you say you are townreading one of those players, so

#confused rephrase

it’s like, you say ‘this plan good’ because scum in me/ydrasse/sircakez, but i am town, so to me that leaves sircakez/ydrasse, and you saying sircakez town to you, so to me that just leaves your plan as ‘hope ydrasse is scum’, but ydrasse is the one player anyone has said they might send through anyway

which leaves your plan from your point of view + knowledge of my alignment as three towns die ydrasse lives

which seems ??? to me

[ulyana]

unless you would think scum are in the townblock.

i literally made like 50 posts about how this seems possible to me towards end of last phase including which slots seemed most likely i don’t understand why you think i think this is an impossibility

[ulyana]

From your perspective, it should be me/ydrasse/Cakez contains 2 scum. That makes my plan good unless you would think scum are in the townblock.

also, how does plan work if sircakez just saves ydrasse after you pass,

[ulyana]

From your perspective, it should be me/ydrasse/Cakez contains 2 scum. That makes my plan good unless you would think scum are in the townblock.

also, how does plan work if sircakez just saves ydrasse after you pass,

like let’s say you’re right about two scum it’s sircakez/ydrasse - how is scum gets saved the best outcome

[ulyana]

also very confused why ‘titus saves sircakez’ wouldn’t be town titus’s plan based on her stated reads

[ulyana]

also very confused why ‘titus saves sircakez’ wouldn’t be town titus’s plan based on her stated reads

like this would also prevent sircakez (who titus is townreading) from sacrificing self to save ydrasse (who titus is scumreading)?

[ulyana]

also very confused why ‘titus saves sircakez’ wouldn’t be town titus’s plan based on her stated reads

whereas for scum!titus pass makes sense if she only scum in pt, as would only be saving town if sacrificed, and could still potentially be saved

if titus +1 in pt it is harder to work out

[ulyana]

(nuances of this event good morning tweet, sorry for doubting that we’d have any agency in hell)

[ulyana]

ydrasse, should i be saved?

[ulyana]

I need to persuade others I am right. Anyone saving means scum get saved (unless they save me, which is unlikely).

? i mean, i am persuadable but this does not seem right to me, but, uh, what exactly would be the plan for persuading the scums i don’t understand

also, the thing is, not saving means scum gets saved, (well, assuming there is at least one scum here), letting scums be only ones who take action also means scum gets saved, the goal should be, i think, to save a town

like from my perspective, me and a scum going through is much better outcome then just a scum going through, so i would expect same to be true from your perspective and also true for any non-me town as well if able to identify

[ulyana]

like from my perspective, me and a scum going through is much better outcome then just a scum going through, so i would expect same to be true from your perspective and also true for any non-me town as well if able to identify

especially since like, at the very least holds accountability for whatever happens here, like if you (titus) are town, and sircakez saves ydrasse,

then wouldn’t it be preferable for you to also go through to say, ‘hey everyone sircakez saved ydrasse’ once flips happen and such - because otherwise if ydrasse/sircakez is scum/scum wouldn’t ydrasse just say the order was reversed from what it actually is and that i sacrificed myself to save her and that only one player could do so

which is believable because it’s based in the actual mechanics of the event, explains continued presence in game and would have the flips as support

the more i think about this the more confused i get

like

if titus only scum here, is hoping no one saves, then can save herself, but this has issue of no backup plan for titus’s slot because if sircakez town then ‘maybe i’ll save ydrasse’ would be immediate threat to plan, so would be counting on either being saved for the accountability thing by looking like she didn’t want or just putting game in hands of heavened partner

if titus/ydrasse scum, titus playing off of sircakez saying might save ydrasse and then possibly additionally the accountability thing to get both partners through,

if titus/sircakez scum, then there would be awkwardness of having to carry through with actions here or go back on but! would look very unpartnered once flips are revealed if titus was able to get through because accountability thing

which i get in this happenstance would come down to my decision and it is like, why titus just completely fine with ‘let’s all no save!!!’ plan when sircakez is saying ydrasse should be saved and has the power to do so, as this would be very apparent problem for titus’s plan for either alignment titus but only scum titus would have incentive to not acknowledge problem with plan i think

[ulyana]

Titus and Uly trying so hard just makes me think they are scum

? what exactly would be our team plan here?

like i’m trying because i am invested in the game and would like to not lose

and it is frustrating for me that you’ve seemingly made no effort to read me at any point and just say i am scum because i am trying? and before that it was for posts someone else made and before that it was not liking the way i react to things and literally none of these make any sense to me so it feels like you must be scum who just pushing me because have been but, like, it’s not like town has never done this to me before where they just decide i’m not town for whatever reason and ignore everything i say so i try to talk to you but instead it’s just ‘she scum for trying!!!’ which … like is the expectation for me to just not play the game i don’t understand

[ulyana]

right now it feels like titus/sircakez should both pass and will work out with ydrasse but obviously that’s not a choice i can make here on my own

[ulyana]

like do you really think my interactions with titus upon her entering the game were theatre? what would have possibly been our goal there…….

[ulyana]

Titus and Uly trying so hard just makes me think they are scum

also notable that ydrasse seems to be trying more this phase than recent phases and the same doesn’t apply to her?

[ulyana]

what is your goal here Uly?

? my goal is to either be sent up or to find a town

like isn’t that only goal still don’t understand

[ulyana]

ok so you should understand why I find your push to save yourself to be suspicious

how would save myself be suspicious

[ulyana]

like my alignment is known to me if i only one to go up then i 100% sure only town goes up

[ulyana]

so me being sent up is best outcome

[ulyana]

secondary outcome is to find a town but everyone not making that very easy either

[ulyana]

like titus plan doesn’t make sense to me and you’re tying yourself to ydrasse and just flatly saying i am scum again

[ulyana]

so if the scumteam is Titus and you like I suspect

could you explain how this possibly makes sense with our play like I’ve asked multiple times and you just ignore

[ulyana]

i also don’t understand how both you and titus have this view of game as infallible townblock that sent you both here

[ulyana]

i literally see nothing in here that makes me think you two can't be partners

and my interactions with titus upon her entering the game? you just think that was theatre?

[ulyana]

who is the scum in the townblock then? and how?

i explained my feelings on gamma emerald at length towards end of last phase, also gave thoughts while interacting with taly throughout

[ulyana]

also other smaller notes of possible equity between players but it ends up very messy web when I try to work out

[ulyana]

also why would i have laid out what titus is possibly angling for with ‘no save’ plan if i was aligned with titus

[ulyana]

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the album recommendation thing is a standing offer by the way - it wasn’t meant to be a chore for you or anything, i just think of music like most things associatively and i am pretty much always listening to something anyway and when people ask for recommendations it is like, i do not know what is ‘good’ or whatever but i can listen to things and share things that have led me to similar thoughts or things during which i felt similarly or things which i might return to for similar reasons

[ulyana]

IM SORRY I KNOW ITS NOT A CHORE
i’m dysfunctional and because it’s not a “requirement” sort of thing my brain pushes it back more and more but i haven’t forgotten >_<

no it’s okay no rush or anything either and of course you don’t have to et cetera et cetera i just know that sometimes i am like ‘well now i want to do the thing’ but because time has passed it feels not applicable anymore so mostly i just wanted to say applicable indefinitely yeah

[ulyana]

+)

[ulyana]

If people knew scum saved someone over me saving someone, then that person would be more likely to be eliminated and get a double scum death.

This game's details will never be made public.

[ulyana]

but... you die so you’d be flipped as town so why worry it would be auto death for them?

yea this too

[ulyana]

it’s kind of contingent on whoever is saved telling the truth about the game

i mean, there’s an argument to be made for town lying if sent through and one mafia is flipped to figure out who seems to know for sure that you’re lying

[ulyana]

@ulyana if titus and cakez don’t sacrifice how would you feel if i forced your hand in making you pick? i know you want to be sent up

if you force my hand you’re saying you think sircakez/titus more likely to be town then me so i likely send one of them yeah?

[ulyana]

@ulyana if titus and cakez don’t sacrifice how would you feel if i forced your hand in making you pick? i know you want to be sent up

if you force my hand you’re saying you think sircakez/titus more likely to be town then me so i likely send one of them yeah?

like i don’t see how this makes sense from your perspective

[ulyana]

@ulyana if titus and cakez don’t sacrifice how would you feel if i forced your hand in making you pick? i know you want to be sent up

if you force my hand you’re saying you think sircakez/titus more likely to be town then me so i likely send one of them yeah?

because like, what’s town reasoning for you doing so?

[ulyana]

i don’t think that it’s me saying they’re townier if i’m picking none of you ?

yes you are because they could still be sent through by me and i cannot send myself through

[ulyana]

i don’t think that it’s me saying they’re townier if i’m picking none of you ?

yes you are because they could still be sent through by me and i cannot send myself through

so you’d be saying they more likely town than me

[ulyana]

i don’t think that it’s me saying they’re townier if i’m picking none of you ?

yes you are because they could still be sent through by me and i cannot send myself through

so you’d be saying they more likely town than me

which, like, ??? but also what’s town motivation of that

[ulyana]

no i’m not

i don’t feel like i can pick anyone /but/ you or pick no one at all

okay so why not pick me then? and if unwilling to pick me, you’d have to think they townier so why wouldn’t i send them?

[ulyana]

and also you’d be giving me the power while saying you don’t think i’m town like i don’t really follow

[ulyana]

basically like, do i trust you enough to send you or do i trust that you would send me

well, do you?

[ulyana]

also if titus passes and sircakez sends you, should i not send titus?

[ulyana]

i don’t trust you as much as i trust myself but i think you’re probably town s:

same but also, like, trusting my alignment has to feel better than trusting my to make a correct decision, so it’s weird to me that you’d take angle of making me make decision instead of finding a way to be more sure about my alignment

[ulyana]

i think that sending 1 is always going to be better than sending 2 but i’d have to think more on it

no lying with two unless both scum

[ulyana]

it’s more like

i’m trying to figure out who between us should go up sort of thing in that situation even if we’re both town because we’re both going to want ourselves

and yes there’s no lying but it’s like, 1 dead scum and 1 lying versus potential risk of 2 lying scum together

i get it though like the point of killing 1 and then catching other out

there’s also numbers consideration for 6 players remaining in game vs 5 yeah?

[ulyana]

also like, it remains kinda absurd to suggest one of the three of you is my partner here so sending me +1 is always max one scum

[ulyana]

also like, it remains kinda absurd to suggest one of the three of you is my partner here so sending me +1 is always max one scum

actually this probably just applies to me + whole game and then we’re just back to my frustration with previous stage

[ulyana]

If people knew scum saved someone over me saving someone, then that person would be more likely to be eliminated and get a double scum death.

This game's details will never be made public.

[ulyana]

It guarantees a dead scum too as opposed to a dual save which practically ensures that two scum get through.

how would this possibly be true? like most likely forced situation for two scum in hell is one scum has to save the other yeah?

[ulyana]

like how would dual save ensure two scum through?

like if sircakez saves ydrasse and i save you are two scum through? as that currently seems most likely two through situation so your insistence on this is ???

[ulyana]

It guarantees a dead scum too as opposed to a dual save which practically ensures that two scum get through.

how would this possibly be true? like most likely forced situation for two scum in hell is one scum has to save the other yeah?

That's easy. Scum don't have any reason to die. Scum have every reason to encourage a save. The townblock is all town. If I save (the only way two saves should happen) then I have a 2/3 chance of saving scum. That person removed. The other townie does a save.

Both scum alive, both town dead. That's the only way a dual save works. It's horrible.

but… you would have to be scum for this to happen in practice yeah? or do you plan on changing course? or think sircakez is about to?

[ulyana]

like how would dual save ensure two scum through?

like if sircakez saves ydrasse and i save you are two scum through? as that currently seems most likely two through situation so your insistence on this is ???

I don't see how in the world you save me given our stances in the main thread.

? i literally trying to figure out if i wrong for this reason but having so much trouble understanding no save perspective

[ulyana]

Then, afterwards it should get announced that scum elected to save a person. That results in an elimination of that player and a win.

i quoted it so many times morning tweets post says this doesn’t happeb

[ulyana]

If people knew scum saved someone over me saving someone, then that person would be more likely to be eliminated and get a double scum death.

This game's details will never be made public.

[ulyana]

i don’t really think there’s a compromise here regarding the no save thing s:

not trying to compromise just trying to understand if it’s a possible town idea

[ulyana]

i don’t really think there’s a compromise here regarding the no save thing s:

not trying to compromise just trying to understand if it’s a possible town idea

like someone’s gonna save someone that’s not the important bit

[ulyana]

save 0 is still the same as save 1 except it is guaranteed mafia

[ulyana]

i think my opinion ultimately is unless we somehow all decide on 2/2 town to send up and are sure sending 1 is safer

right now it feels like titus/sircakez should both pass and will work out with ydrasse but obviously that’s not a choice i can make here on my own

otherwise it’s like, if titus now sends sircakez are we really going to be like, yeah one one was good

[ulyana]

(still struggling with the there is 100% both scum in hell aspect)

[ulyana]

i think it’s the most careful thing we can do to act if there are 2 in here

i don’t disagree necessarily like i am obviously considering those potentials i’m just not like i am 100% sure of this and i think it’s kinda weird that anyone is

[ulyana]

if you want my ~gut take~ it’s probably 1/1 and i’ve been poking around places to see if that’s true but the heavenly people seem adamant they’re all town

3/4 also adamant that i town and still sent me here so

[ulyana]

i mean

they thought i was town too

they /had/ to send two of us here if they’re all town

right but why did they act like it absolutely had to be us? other than that two of those also with me hardscumreading me while agreeing that all of heaven is town

[ulyana]

i mean

they thought i was town too

they /had/ to send two of us here if they’re all town

right but why did they act like it absolutely had to be us? other than that two of those also with me hardscumreading me while agreeing that all of heaven is town

but the problem there is that there two of them so it is more of a hm

not working regardless of angle i look at, legos not put together right

[ulyana]

can almost see the plot points here

[ulyana]

That doesn't happen. Even if I am lucky on U town, one of you/Cakez saves the other as you'd both be scum.

well a) i’m town no luck about but also b) even if sircakez then saves ydrasse and is scum then!!! I have the game 100% solved yes

[ulyana]

That doesn't happen. Even if I am lucky on U town, one of you/Cakez saves the other as you'd both be scum.

well a) i’m town no luck about but also b) even if sircakez then saves ydrasse and is scum then!!! I have the game 100% solved yes

in this situation you don’t bc i’m in fact town too.

hm, weighing the frame there is like, two town up but one very likely elimination then what try to also get other eliminated based on false positive

hm, yeah maybe

[ulyana]

but risky to send to 1:5 instead of 1:4 hmhmhm

[ulyana]

also i probably shouldn’t theorize about what mafias would do too much based and accuracy or lack there of of recent attempts

[ulyana]

That doesn't happen. Even if I am lucky on U town, one of you/Cakez saves the other as you'd both be scum.

well a) i’m town no luck about but also b) even if sircakez then saves ydrasse and is scum then!!! I have the game 100% solved yes

in this situation you don’t bc i’m in fact town too.

but from titus’s perspective of there’s definitely two scum in hell i would right, so still better outcome than not saving

[ulyana]

That doesn't happen. Even if I am lucky on U town, one of you/Cakez saves the other as you'd both be scum.

well a) i’m town no luck about but also b) even if sircakez then saves ydrasse and is scum then!!! I have the game 100% solved yes

in this situation you don’t bc i’m in fact town too.

but from titus’s perspective of there’s definitely two scum in hell i would right, so still better outcome than not saving

like to her so i still don’t really get it

[ulyana]

like to her so i still don’t really get it

Rephrase please

like if you send me up and then sircakez sends ydrasse and sircakez flips scum, then from your perspective of there being two scums in hell, i have the game solved right? like i would know scumcakez sent ydrasse so if you’re right about two scums then finding town just wins the game outright yea?

[ulyana]

Or I'm wrong and I send scum and then the scum in SirCakez and Ydrasse convinces the other to save and we net both scum surviving.

i mean, could just believe in me,

like honestly whatever amount of sorting of me you would want to do et cetera i'm willing to answer any questions you have explain my thought process with regards to anything throughout the game whatever just ask

but also, yeah, could just believe in me

[ulyana]

and it's not like i don't get the 'don't trust my reads' thing if you're town, like, trusting my reads is a similar boat and i struggle to be confident in anything,

but!!! i do know one thing

[ulyana]

Maybe I'm tunneled but I still feel saves are scum motivated.

I'm beat and not really in a place to reconsider though.

please please please

just send me through if you’re town

you wouldn’t have to worry about being wrong because you wouldn’t be wrong

[ulyana]

!

[ulyana]

…

i, uh, don’t really see how this is ever a town series of events

[ulyana]

anyways, sircakez, same thing i said to titus, if there’s anything you want to ask me about anything you want me to explain i’m here but can also just throw lantern into the darkness for me because i’m town and if you still think there’s two scum in here and you’re town it’s ydrasse and titus and i don’t know how much sense that makes across the board but i do know ydrasse was weird about titus’s slot earlier in the game

[ulyana]

i do know ydrasse was weird about titus’s slot earlier in the game

though ydrasse did also reference this when talking to titus which would be kinda hm to do with a partner

[ulyana]

hmhmhmhm

[ulyana]

i did something similar to what titus did here as scum in gacha mafia and titus appeared at deadline so i had to make it look like i was hoping someone would appear to confirm them

also possibly noteworthy that i talked about the only way dunnstral could have possibly pulled off the duel thing was running out the clock

[ulyana]

not following

oh sorry i was just noting thoughts re: how it like, seems like is always a scum play yeah

[ulyana]

unconnected to thoughts re: you/titus

[ulyana]

unconnected to thoughts re: you/titus

which like, both of those views lead me down a like not super game related path

[ulyana]

unconnected to thoughts re: you/titus

which like, both of those views lead me down a like not super game related path

do i also wish petapan was more pleasant in interactions? yes, i quite like playing with peta and would like even more if more pleasant yeah and lots of times i have talked about how it would be so much nicer to play if everyone nicer (myself included), i even talked with galron about this at some length during radio buzz and he was one of those with issues with peta’s unpleasantness but it feels not like something that is town specific as i also feel that way when i am not town

[ulyana]

unconnected to thoughts re: you/titus

which like, both of those views lead me down a like not super game related path

do i also wish petapan was more pleasant in interactions? yes, i quite like playing with peta and would like even more if more pleasant yeah and lots of times i have talked about how it would be so much nicer to play if everyone nicer (myself included), i even talked with galron about this at some length during radio buzz and he was one of those with issues with peta’s unpleasantness but it feels not like something that is town specific as i also feel that way when i am not town

like when people are yelling in a way that makes it feel not like a game anymore it becomes very difficult/impossible for me to play regardless of alignment and i don’t think that is a wholly unrelated feeling

[ulyana]

which part is a scum play?

i’m just trying to understand

not sending someone up, justifying, showing awareness of deadline but no submission

[ulyana]

which part is a scum play?

i’m just trying to understand

not sending someone up, justifying, showing awareness of deadline but no submission

like i said i have done something very similar as mafia and it feels like something unlikely to happen if titus town

[ulyana]

which part is a scum play?

i’m just trying to understand

not sending someone up, justifying, showing awareness of deadline but no submission

like it feels plotted right like there were all of these development points idk hard to explain

like view of event doesn’t make sense, ulyana/ydrasse point this out, eventually we get to supposed bottom of this with the misunderstanding of event will not be revealed but then maintains same view of game somehow and deadlines passes

[ulyana]

also,

@sircakez, if titus and i were scum together titus would have sent me up there 200,000% of the time, so

[ulyana]

deadline passed :/

yes that was occasion of my recent series of postings there - like deadline passed shortly before the … one

[ulyana]

anyways, sircakez, same thing i said to titus, if there’s anything you want to ask me about anything you want me to explain i’m here but can also just throw lantern into the darkness for me because i’m town and if you still think there’s two scum in here and you’re town it’s ydrasse and titus and i don’t know how much sense that makes across the board but i do know ydrasse was weird about titus’s slot earlier in the game

[ulyana]

also,

@sircakez, if titus and i were scum together titus would have sent me up there 200,000% of the time, so

[ulyana]

ok well I'm pretty set on sacrificing for Ydra and moving on but I'll hold for discussion i guess

like if you’re still not willing to even give me a chance and are still set on ulyana scum just because then sure whatever just send it but i’m town and i have to have more town equity here and i very very much would like to win so please, i guess, is what i’m saying here,

[ulyana]

like you seem to think titus approach super scummy here, yeah? okay me too, as i’ve said throughout, and if you’re town, then only possible scum angle here is ydrasse like what would my plan be exactly? to change your mind?

[ulyana]

and that’s not to say i am sure on ydrasse (i’m not even sure on titus but like i said real hard to imagine not being a scum angle) but I remain sure on me and i feel that you should be fairly sure on me as well

[ulyana]

what is this in reference to?

you thought it was me/titus, right? wouldn’t she have just sent me up if so? like why would we be relying on me persuading you? like it seems impossible to me that you’d think this would be our plan, so i asking you to look at view of game, like if you still think there two scum here then it has to be ydrasse from your perspective

[ulyana]

do you think Ydra is scum?

i think she makes most sense with titus at this point but that isn’t a certainty or anything could still be one in heaven

[ulyana]

why would Titus suicide to save you? that doesn't make any sense. everyone would see her flip scum and find you immediately suspicious.

because being suspected is better than being dead? like we can’t win game if we both dead and i could argue for being framed et cetera

[ulyana]

why would i argue against the pass at every turn and be encouraging not passing here then

[ulyana]

if the team was you/titus titus would... have to skip i think for fear of like, me/cakez instantly sending it on the other forcing a 1v1

no? we would send me then say scum knew sircakez was going to send you et cetera and that i was there to be sacrificial lamb,

because, again, the other choice is death

[ulyana]

...for appearances? i mean if that's the plan you don't have to really say anything about it outloud or anything because you're last in the order so you can say whatever you want but you have the final action...

yeah how would that lead to sircakez passing? you’re saying our plan would have been to just lose to sircakez doing what he said he would do?

[ulyana]

i mean

sircakez heavily suspects you/did, so

if titus sent you instantly, i would assume he would send me up to like... have 2 people up there because he wouldnt trust your word which, in a 1v1 situation like that (assuming you were scum) one of us would be proven a liar since we would be saying different things about it

but if titus passes, and you have the final action and send titus? there's less risk that me or cakez send up one another to 1v1

??? if i were scum in that situation we’d just be saying the same version of events but i’d be saying it was scum’s plan to get me executed in that phase

which likelihood of working not great but better than death

[ulyana]

shiki, what town equity do you have / what do you think the towniest things you've done this game?

every post sorting taly or trying to work out duel probably if you want something specific

why you think i not town so suddenly?

[ulyana]

i don't think it's the same given the positioning that we're dealing with but w/e

you’d be saying titus sent me and i’d be saying titus sent me and so forth though I’m not really sure why we’re hashing out a hypothetical scum!me that doesn’t exist’s plan in a future phase

[ulyana]

like it feels like, fmpov:

i am trying to treat this like "do i want me or ulyana to go up /knowing i am town/ and am i willing to swallow this for the good of everyone"

versus how i feel you are treating me: "i am the town please please send me up oh please" and it feels really... weird because like... i know my alignment too, etc etc, but idk. maybe i just don't vibe with it being slathered into a ton of posts

because it’s what i have and i cling to it and if you really want me to explain that at great length i will but it’s not super game relevant

[ulyana]

(also fwiw i was trying to say /you would send titus/ in that situation but i didn't want to engage it anymore because it's pointless currently)

can’t send titus in that situation ever because there’s no possible way to sell that as a frame

[ulyana]

i want explanations of what you've done in game

okay ask me about something and i will explain it that’s something I’ve been asking everyone to do

[ulyana]

...you can send titus and then no one knows what happened down here >_< and blah blah whatever, it's better odds than 2 people going up but it's really not important to dwell on anymore because it's currently situational and also not even your time to pick or mine yet

… but sircakez would have already sent you

[ulyana]

i asked you like

what do you think the towniest things youve done are and i asked for quotes

that’s just my entire iso or the 150 posts i’ve spent trying to sort taly

[ulyana]

like how is ‘what did you do that was towny’ an answerable question like

[ulyana]

like if there’s something not towny you think i did I’m happy to give my thought process regarding so you can see but the towny thing I did is everything so

[ulyana]

like if you think you have a ton of town equity... you should be able to have something like that, yeah?

the town equity i was referring to was situation specific like… it doesn’t make sense for me to be scum here whereas it possibly makes sense for you to be scum here thus I have more town equity

[ulyana]

what have you done to contribute to eliminating scum this game?

are you just using the 1000000 word version of ‘you tried to save firebringer’ here

[ulyana]

because i did and i talked about why and could again if you’d like

[ulyana]

like you’re saying i should ‘look town’ right now instead of ‘be town’ like it’s an optics thing and that’s obviously not how i (or anyone really) play as town?

[ulyana]

???

no, i am asking you to tell me what you did to try and kill scum this game

i tried to have gamma emerald eliminated and then i also tried to not have gamma emerald spared under the impression he was mafia - is this the sort of thing you’re looking for?

[ulyana]

like give me something -i- can relate to and think is towny and not have to wonder about it like,

"i voted this person and they flipped scum!"

please?

but you already know i tried to save firebringer so you know i can’t do this like ,……….

[ulyana]

like if being wrong makes me mafia then i’m mafia

[ulyana]

yeah and you also know sircakez has already said dunnstral had weird interactions with me and that I wasn’t pushing for dunnstral duel, so

[ulyana]

again you’re saying point to something that isn’t there

instead of just asking me for my thoughts regarding things and why and such ya know the town bits

[ulyana]

okay and i feel like you’re more likely to be mafia and i can see worlds in which that possibly makes sense and maybe i am not very convincing but you also know i will try, so

[ulyana]

i do not wish to anymore

you know i town regardless of your alignment

and sircakez can decide

[ulyana]

@shiki sorry. this conversation with you was very frustrating, but sorry to be mean and nasty.

it’s okay it was very frustrating conversation for me as well

i say you know i am town because you want evidence of me

looking

town as opposed to evidence that i

am

town and that only matters if i am indeed town and you also know i can’t provide the exact evidence you are asking for because it doesn’t exist and also you know that mafia manipulate the

looking

- skitter could have provided what you’re asking me for with regards to dunnstral - so the whole thing assumes i am town in the first place otherwise you would not be able to trust the

looking

i provided anyway

[ulyana]

which is like, ‘you’re town but you should die anyway’ which is same frustration from last phase and three hours ago i felt like that stupid train engine that climbs a mountain children’s book or like the ‘live through this…’ line from your ex-lover is dead like i could just show everyone if they’d let me like i don’t know what i need to show anyone - to me it’s just every post - but if they ask what i thinking here or how i viewed game at this point and such they could see and i would show them but don’t really feel like stupid train engine anymore

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

it’s frustrating because like, this is why i fought so hard to be chosen and why felt like titus play was only mafia play because like, i like, almost can’t send even though sircakez/ydrasse somewhat likely because titus/ydrasse also somewhat likely

[ulyana]

worlds here now are like

no mafia here best choice is send titus but not sending isn’t disaster,

titus only mafia here, send titus is disaster, makes sense with no send strategy

ydrasse/titus mafia, send titus a disaster again, explains ydrasse behaviour but not sircakez

ydrasse/sircakez mafia, send titus is very good as she could report what happened here, explains sircakez seemingly aware that flips wouldn’t be until whole game finished and such, also explains ydrasse/sircakez ignoring all logic with regards to the possible mafia situations here,

[ulyana]

i don’t know how to read anyone in the slightest i’ve said as much hundreds of times - it’s not as though you can claim much of an ability to read me i do not understand the relevance of this

[ulyana]

like “explanations for my behavior” when:.. i’ve just been fighting this entire time to send up a town

i, don’t really know how to say anything here that isn’t going to lead to me just not wanting to play again and all i have left to do is make one decision

[ulyana]

w/e then i’ll be quiet

i’m not asking you to be quiet it’s just like, yeah, my heart hurts and me thinking it’s possible you’re mafia here obviously isn’t helping that and i lack strength to go through again

[ulyana]

i just keep wanting to say me too because i feel like it was evident in my play throughout but nothing i did matters at this point so would rather just shrug and nod as i too am tired

[ulyana]

pass

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