AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

[the 2 mastinas]

2m

During DAY, only 1 100-letter'r

2m

T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu

ki

S

ky

sb

9

N

Taro
ND
unw

R

R

S

KT/K
STD
DotW

[the 2 mastinas]

2m

ReadsL=N2
Game >rand
DON'T lim Ari
PLEASE lim PTMB
MT=powerwolf OR

gem

[the 2 mastinas]

This account is so old, it is in silver, omg.

[the 2 mastinas]

There is a LOT to unpack here.

How y'all doing?

[the 2 mastinas]

Ftr this is Mollie, and Mastina and I are still hammering out our reads.

Wow I got so excited about getting to play in this game, I forgot what I had to say.

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did i troll mastina so hard she rose from the dead to come murder me with her own hands?

w i l d

Pooky: "Hey everyone, let's make lists from townie to scummy, it will be fun!"

Half of Everyone: Okay...here is my list of most inactive folks being the scummiest.

Pooky: How right you are, but look over here, Morning Tweet has something tasty! (Pooky never read d1, so Pooky has no reads)

2Mastinas: LIM POOKY!!!

Everyone Else: At least they are playing the game...

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Almost50: What are your thoughts right now?

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Titus what is your win con?

VOTE: yuki

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And I dont believe I've been acquainted with Mollie so if I came off as insulting them i am very sorry, i didnt intend for that. I dont know their style of play or which reads were theirs or anything like that

You didn't <3 <3 <3

I think you are a gem <3

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Nothing in NDMath's win con says the alignments of those people

Also I want to know if anyone went to RR's party

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its a provable tpr in a game full of trolls lol

I think the game would be infinitely better without comments like this in it.

You caught me.

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VOTE: Pooky

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I THOUGHT SOLVING AT ALL WAS THE BAR FOR HIM BEING TOWN WHICH IS IT

Pooky NOT playing the game is >rand TOWN him. Pooky tryharding is >Scum him (but sometimes he feels like trying as Town). Pooky "standing in the middle of these two" is most likely Scum him.

So will you vote them?

[the 2 mastinas]

Did radical rat say what their ability did

They were scummy and got out of it by vague claiming

Titus did.

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NDmath has been executed, he was...

Spoiler:

The Great Hunt

Welcome ! You are

The Great Hunt

Once during the game, you may anonymously put to reward a 1-shot Bulletproof vest to whoever hammers a player of your choice

You win if one person from both these 2 groups gets executed while you are still alive [REDACTED / REDACTED] and [REDACTED / REDACTED] if you succeed, you will leave the game in a victory

Night 2 ends in (expired on 2021-11-01 02:37:27)

I need a show of hands of the people who agree that NDMath had scum in their list of peeps to eliminate.

Or I can't move forward.

[the 2 mastinas]

there's nothing in that role pm that says he has actual names tho

it's really annoying that people might actually think you are really this silly

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NDmath has been executed, he was...

Spoiler:

The Great Hunt

Welcome ! You are

The Great Hunt

Once during the game, you may anonymously put to reward a 1-shot Bulletproof vest to whoever hammers a player of your choice

You win if one person from both these 2 groups gets executed while you are still alive [REDACTED / REDACTED] and [REDACTED / REDACTED] if you succeed, you will leave the game in a victory

Night 2 ends in (expired on 2021-11-01 02:37:27)

I need a show of hands of the people who agree that NDMath had scum in their list of peeps to eliminate.

Or I can't move forward.

I don't see any reason to believe it wasn't just four random players. Might be scum, might not be.

Okay, so we are doing this.

Do you think the four *random* are all town?

[the 2 mastinas]

I don't even think he got names lol

What do you know, that I don't know

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How many town do you think are left, Pooky?

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(mastina is here but she just lost half of a post she was writing which set her back like 15 minutes and even after she finishes it, she wants to run it by mollie but I am doing work now, as in game work not rl work)

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(post finished but waiting for approval from mollie)

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NDmath has been executed, he was...

Spoiler:

The Great Hunt

Welcome ! You are

The Great Hunt

Once during the game, you may anonymously put to reward a 1-shot Bulletproof vest to whoever hammers a player of your choice

You win if one person from both these 2 groups gets executed while you are still alive [REDACTED / REDACTED] and [REDACTED / REDACTED] if you succeed, you will leave the game in a victory

Night 2 ends in (expired on 2021-11-01 02:37:27)

I need a show of hands of the people who agree that NDMath had scum in their list of peeps to eliminate.

Or I can't move forward.

Hi Mastina and Mollie!

I think at least one of the redacted was scum. Maybe two.

We think it is in NDMath's list of top 4 scumspects.

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votecount 3.0

Dwlee99 (1) :

Hated

Not Voting (11) : Almost50 ; Dwlee99 ; Yuki Takeya ; The Worst ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Morning Tweet ; Enchant ; Titus ; PookyTheMagicalBear ; Radical Rat

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-13 05:30:46), it takes 6 votes to execute someone

Pooky isn't hated and I am kind of wondering why

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probly cuz im way too cute to be hated

or cuz ndmath isnt a member of the kingdom

one of the two.

Oh yeah, there is that.

RR or Enchant, then?

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THE WORST IS SCUM! The vote on Pooky with no further discussion/contribution IS A HARD SCUM CLAIM.

VOTE: the worst

You were all like, rah rah sheep the IC, right up until we wanted to lim Pooky.

what's up

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Like this is the same slot you faked an inno on d1, you do realize this, yes?

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Imo idk why yuki not speedwagoned.

Are you even voting them?

[the 2 mastinas]

What about love? Don't you want someone to care about you?

I do

I care, Dwelee <3

Will you plz help my lim Pooky?

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Radical rat

Full claim your stuff

I'd prefer to wait on Yuki to say if she visited if that's alright.

Nah.

You can dish now.

[the 2 mastinas]

Fair enough.

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r u going to actually provide reasons why im scum or is this some kinda weird bucket list thing?

You stole her honey. Isn't that reason enough?

I just

knew

it...

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Where did Morning Tweet go

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Meanwhile I do have a

mechanical soft guilty

on Gamma who has been active enough elsewhere but ignoring this thread at all costs.

I also have a 95% clear on Pooky from last night, so stop being [redacted] and vote Gamma or tw (who is confirmed Scum by play).

I do have a post that explains my role in details, but I think it best to wait for Gama to FULL CLAIM HIS ROLE NAME AND HOW IT WORKS before I fully claim myself.

ONE THING though: There used to be a time when Scum could hunt for the COP/INVESTIGATIVE by paying attention to sudden changes in reads overnight. Now neither Scum nor Town pay attention to such “minor details”. That's PATHETIC play from both sides tbh.

Trying to shame people into doing what you want is slurry turd milkshake playing.

Don't play like a slurry turd milkshake just because some players have a different take on the game, than you.

I hunt specials, it is kind of my thing and I could not pick your hint out of crowd.

Who was your n1? And can you please unpack your thoughts as to why you chose the candidates that you did?

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2m, aka two mastinas

Hi there. This is mastina writing this, though hopefully, what I send will have mollie's blessing by the time I submit it with mollie having a chance to say everything they want to say as well in here. (We're obviously a bit limited on time given that we only have 48 hours to submit a night post and if we don't use it, we lose it.)

Apologies that this is going to be a wallpost of wallposts, but sadly, we cannot post unlimited during the night phase. We get one 100-character post during the day (thankfully, bbcode doesn't count towards the total, but if it's visible as a letter/number, it counts as a character, so while we can do a fair amount, we still have only a finite amount we can say), and we get one unlimited-character post during the night. Given we only get the one post, we've no choice but to make the unlimited post be a wall with a full day phase's worth of information to go through.
(For clarity, we start the game confirmed to be town aligned, but considered dead, and as we are dead, our communication is limited. Unfortunately a basically-nerfed treestump. So DO try to make the most out of when we DO use our posts, please.)

First off, let's start with this.

During DAY, only 1 100-letter'r

T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu

ki

S

ky

sb

9

N

Taro
ND
unw

R

R

S

KT/K
STD
DotW

I was a

little

miffed that the discussion after I posted this was about speculating on our role instead of speculating on our reads. If literally any of you have QUOTED this post, you'd have seen I did the absolute best I could to work around the limited characters by even including links to our scumreads here! (Did you read how I linked to the MegAzumarill posts on Kop? Did you notice the link to STD's scum entrance into the game? The post mollie and I both instantly locked onto as being proof of STD being scum this game? Did you? Because literally nobody said anything about this.)

To go into these reads, Almost50 is a common townread as both mollie and I universally believe this is Almost50 at his absolute towniest he's ever been. He's locktown of locktown.

Aristophanes is not that far behind, so shame on you for repeatedly trying to wagon him in spite of the person who has the best read accuracy on Aristophanes listing Ari as town even before Ari's claim (which shoulda elevated Ari to conftown for y'all). A50 is excluded from this, obv, as he was one of the only slots who

did

listen to us on Ari being town (thanks A50 <3), but Ari is a never-eliminate here.

Titus is mostly a treat-as-town read from us, although she may be higher as town especially from mollie. I particularly liked her entrance into the game with her unwnd suspicion (see below for more on that), mollie thought that Titus's later posting in the game was quite town.

Gamma Emerald is a weaker townread I believe we both hold. (This read may need reevaluation given the townflip on DotW obv but for

now

GE is "town enough".)

MegAzumarill lacks the meta experience I have on other townreads, but is just so absurdly town from this game alone. Purely by play, Meg would be one of my strongest townreads, up there with A50 and Ari in strength. mollie initially didn't have a read there, but now also thinks the slot is townish.

Dwlee looked town to me from their claim but this is a read I am currently reevaluating. mollie currently thinks Dwlee's play doesn't line up with their claim and while I'm not sure one way or another, the townread there was

largely

role-based and is something I find is not unreasonable to now put into question. mollie wants Dwlee dead before mylo for sure, and I'm inclined to agree.


For Lean Towns, I'm pretty sure Yuki's town here (tho mollie was the gray--mollie's read on Yuki is more ambivalent, divided between gut/head on scum/town). since then, mollie has said that they're not townreading Yuki, but they at least think that Yuki isn't scum with Taro so if Taro flips scum, it'd look good for Yuki. (Note: the people reading my list actually got the me/mollie colors backwards. I consistently listed MY read first and mollie's read second. So for the green Yu, that's me, and the gray ki, that's mollie.)

When it comes to Skybird, Skybird is someone who I initially thought was scum (Skybird's entrance gave off STRONG scum vibes to me), but mollie is very very very sure that Skybird is town here. Since then, I've become a lot more receptive to Skybird being town from Skybird's later posting. I'm not

convinced

Skybird is town, but I'm willing to trust mollie's read on Skybird.

superbowl9 initially looked town to me, but mollie hard-scumread sb9 here. With the slot being replaced as of the end of the day, it's up in the air as to what this slot's alignment is, we won't be able to really know until the slot is filled and the slot is posting on D2.

It's at this point I feel it's important to mention:

mollie and I believe that this game, being AI-generated, will not necessarily conform to conventional balance standards.

I, personally, believe there should be less than 9 anti-town members to find, in order for the game to still be a game, and that if the AI generated a setup with 10 or more anti-town, Gypyx would reroll things.

So we're expecting there to be anywhere from 4-7 anti-town, mayyyyybe 8, but shouldn't be 9 or more.

Spoiler: Setup stuff

With 17 players we'd normally be looking for ~4 scum. Obviously, that's not the most applicable for the AI generated setup as we could have multiball or a lot more scum than normal but I'd

assume

that the game, being reviewed for balance, means that the town has reasonable odds of winning, so something like 9 antitown is unrealistically high meaning that a more realistic amount of antitown is in the 4-7 range.

(this part was later)
Multiball is explicitly possible--even if there's a sizeable scumteam, the scumteam is probably not assuming it's singleball. Given Gypyx explicitly said the AI could generate a multiball setup, even if there were 5 members in a scumteam they could still be genuinely scumhunting assuming there's another (smaller, like 2-4 member) scumteam in the game.

Meaning I'd explicitly expect the rules of multiball scumhunting to apply, in that you can't rely on "this slot is scumhunting" as a metric for them being town because scum will do that, too; we should be looking more into other scum indicators and other town indicators (things town do that scum are less likely to do, things that scum do even in multiball games).

Meaning that when I say that names are 'null', what I really mean is,
"This is where the scum pool begins", in that when we get to the bottom ~7 names on the readslist, it's not too unrealistic to think that literally all of them could be scum.

Taro there's just not much of anything there to be seen. I did however actually slightly misplace Taro. mollie did

initially

have Taro as null like I do, but later said Taro was acting scummy, so Taro should've been slightly lower (albeit not to the same strong-scum levels as our other reads).

NDMath there's also very little to be seen--NDMath has been posting, and more constructively so at that, but nothing truly sticks out as really alignment-indicative. Initially mollie had NDMath as a null. However, mollie thinks the slot is townish currently.

unwnd is a slot we had heavy ambivalence on at the time, although we've since come to the conclusion unwnd looks sus-as-fuck and unwnd is one of our main scumreads. I initially thought that unwnd's entrance looked hella-suspicious and didn't give off townvibes, but then later doubted this with ambivalence where I could see it either way. However, mollie, too, ALSO thinks the same: that if unwnd were town here, that unwnd would look town here and unwnd here just...doesn't look town. At all.

Radical Rat is basically an inverse Skybird: I have liked, rather strongly, basically everything Radical Rat has posted, including RR's claim looking town to me. mollie...hasn't, with mollie having thought RR's content was quite strong scum overall. At the time we posted our combined readslist, mollie had moved RR up to null, but that was the highest point RR has been to mollie and for both before, and after, that, RR has been a scumread of mollie's. I trust mollie's ability to read RR more than I trust my own, but I DO disagree with the scumread there, in spite of my willingness to trust mollie on it.

Then we get to the scumreads.
I could explain the DotW scumread (it was mostly mine tho mollie did share it), but given the townflip there, best to focus on the others.

When it comes to KittyTacky/Kop, KittyTacky was heavily null-at-best (with a minor lean towards scum). Kop's posting, per MegAzumarill's reasoning, is incredibly suspect. I realize Kop claimed a confirmable role--but both me and mollie remain skeptical of this, especially given the need for a replacement in the first place for KittyTacky.

And when it comes to SaveTheDragons, both mollie and I are sure that the immediate wallpost of effort from STD is a scumclaim from him, and that literally everything STD's done since coming into the game has been incredibly scum-motivated.


Other (potentially) important things:

Spoiler: mastina RVS posting

*glares at whoever killed mastina*

The person who killed us is whoever submitted 'Lord of the Tomb' as our role as our role is what killed us.

Also while I realize there's not much point in me doing my normal town town? scum? scum list due to the mechanics, for my own sanity I'm doing it anyway.

First

VOTE: Pesto

Town.

Also I'm a universal miller

Why can’t we be friends, and unite against the real enemy, the jocks?
VOTE: Superbowl9

​Town?

VOTE: MegA
Thanks for sabotaging 3d20 with that fake bus driver roll claim just to replace out lol

Scum.

VOTE: Dragon of the West
(Yes I know we don't have a vote but this is where I'd vote if alive.)

Spoiler: more mastina rvs posting

No read on NDMath yet but as of p3 I'm upgrading my townreads on both Dwlee and Gamma and putting Radical Rat as a lean town.

Skybird is scum? to me. (As in, not as confscum as Dragon of the West is because Dragon of the West is painfully obviously scum here, but still looks more scum than town to me right now.)

I also lean town on superbowl9; I have no read on Titus and am ambivalent on Momrangal (my first instinct was town but then I second-guessed it to scum so not sure).

I buy Meg's claim enough to have Meg as town enough.

So on page three, my reads:

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
Pesto (not posted)
KittyTacky (not posted)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Aristophanes (not posted but below the others because of the ol' Aristophanes tell)

Skybird

Dragon Of The West

Loosely: town, lean town, null, null-with-a-lean-scum, weak scumread, hard-lockscum.

(The Aristophanes tell being Ari posting = Ari town, Ari not posting = Ari scum. Obviously, this is both an oversimplification and outdated, as basically a straw-tell: not really real as a true tell which isn't truly applicable, because it's a lot more complicated and nuanced than that. Once Aristophanes DID start posting, though, Ari immediately became obvtown.)

Spoiler: mastina Setup stuff + more early initial takes of mine

With 17 players we'd normally be looking for ~4 scum. Obviously, that's not the most applicable for the AI generated setup as we could have multiball or a lot more scum than normal but I'd

assume

that the game, being reviewed for balance, means that the town has reasonable odds of winning, so something like 9 antitown is unrealistically high meaning that a more realistic amount of antitown is in the 4-7 range.

Given that, I'd say to look for 4-7 scum, which I legitimately honestly think my readslist is already in the right zone for.

All of my townreads I'm pretty damn confident in;
All of my townleans I also feel pretty damn good about.

So that'd leave 4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Aristophanes, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

9 names for 4-7 scum is a pretty damn good start imo.

Spoiler: page 5 mastina reads

Okay with Aristophanes having posted on page 5, I lean town on Ari (well actually I kinda want to locktown Ari), which brings me to:

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
Pesto (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird

Dragon Of The West

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

Spoiler: mastina initial unwnd read + readslist progression

unwnd (Pestro's slot)'s entrance is not giving me the townvibes here at all--very alarming, as I'd expect unwnd to look town here if town. I realize unwnd tried to excuse this with "don't expect the normal from me", but that in of itself was also somewhat suspect in my opinion. Beyond that, unwnd's content since replacing in is immediate sus vibes so unwnd can join the Skybird level of scumread. (I'm not SURE unwnd is scum in the way I am instantly sure Dragon of the West is scum, but I do THINK unwnd is scum here.)

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird
Pesto/unwnd

Dragon Of The West

Locktown townread various forms of null scumread HARD-lockscum.

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

Spoiler: mastina most-of-D1 reads, Titus townread, to ~199

Titus voting unwnd immediately gives me overall +townvibes here--she could be scum bussing, she could be scum with unwnd not, but I think unwnd is scum and I think Titus realizing unwnd was suspicious is +town for her overall.

Which brings me to, as of the thread being at post 197 (me fully caught up to what's been posted):

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Titus

Taroumaru (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird
Pesto/unwnd

Dragon Of The West

Locktown townread townlean various forms of null scumread HARD-lockscum.

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

Spoiler: mastina extra post on the above

(For the record I actually feel really REALLY damn confident in all of the townreads until Titus and on my Dragon of the West scumread. It's to the point where if I could get reads on the various shades of null, dead serious, I would be fine with making our singular post for the day early rather than waiting until near deadline. But obviously, if [mollie needed] time for [mollie's] own reads and/or disagree with mine, we'll need to hash them out more anyway.)

Spoiler: mollie's first readslist, at about the same spot in the game as above, ~200

Town

Almost50
Skybird

maybe Ari or Gamma here

Titus - will treat as town

Null/Ambiguous

Yuki - reads as town, gut says scum
unwnd - like Yuki but maybe reversed

Dwelee is meh but should be easy to resolve.

NDMath, Meg, Kittytacky, Dragon are all just kind of there.

Momrangel always pings, in every game, but especially here.

Rad rat and Superbowl give off scum vibes.

We began to hash things out and work on our post from there.

Spoiler: mollie's followthrough/beginning to compromise

We can definitely meet in the middle here with reads, and I have noticed in the games we played in, we tend to catch scum in that way. Let's keep Sky in the town pile for now, maybe? Can we watch Unwnd?

Kitkat might not be a terrible lim.

Spoiler: mollie pointing out the lack of SvS in unwnd-DotW

If this is a bus, it is the worst bussing I have ever seen.

From Dragon of the West:

There's so many people in this game I haven't played with before. Can't wait to read everyone terribly.

VOTE: unwnd
I just don't like the wording of their posts so far. Feels fluffy and fake

I agreed with this, but with Dragon of the West having flipped town, that opens unwnd back up for being scum.

Spoiler: mollie on Taro + setup spec from mollie

Oh and Taromaru looks scummy.

It feels like a multiball game.

To that, I said:

Spoiler: more setup spec

is explicitly possible--even if there's a sizeable scumteam, the scumteam is probably not assuming it's singleball. Given Gypyx explicitly said the AI could generate a multiball setup, even if there were 5 members in a scumteam they could still be genuinely scumhunting assuming there's another (smaller, like 2-4 member) scumteam in the game.

Meaning I'd explicitly expect the rules of multiball scumhunting to apply, in that you can't rely on "this slot is scumhunting" as a metric for them being town because scum will do that, too; we should be looking more into other scum indicators and other town indicators (things town do that scum are less likely to do, things that scum do even in multiball games).

In the process of developing our reads,

Spoiler: mastina on unwnd + KittyTacky + penultimate-from-D1post readslist

For the record, have shifted my read (which is reflected above) on unwnd and KittyTacky/Kop in that unwnd has gone from a scumlean to ambivalent-null and KittyTacky/Kop has gone from null to a scumlean.

Town

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Lesser Town

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Treating Town

Titus

Null/Ambiguous

Taroumaru
NDmath
Momrangal (ambivalent)
Pesto/unwnd (ambivalent)

Lesser Scum

Skybird
KittyTacky/Kop

Greater Scum

Dragon Of The West

(I also tried to form mollie's reads into a list and create an initial compromise-readslist, which the following was in response to)

Spoiler: mollie giving further reads input

Move Titus up.

Dweelee and Meg up

Dragon and kop down to scumreads

solid on skybird, almost50 slipped but still town. I just have an overactive imagination.

And then Save the Dragons replaced in, which mollie immediately called out:

Spoiler: mollie on STD

I think Save the Dragons/Momrangel is scum here, with that deliberate IOA.

Spoiler: next mollie compromise

I am cool with moving Rad rat to null <3

Other than Skybird, we have similar reads.

It was at this point we (well, I, having gotten mollie's input) submitted our D1 post.

Spoiler: I, mastina, had WORDS to say to folks about this.

A bit frustrating that they're engaging the "can talk", and not the "what was said".

I even included LINKS to why we're scumreading KittyTacky/Kop and Save the Dragons and they're not being engaged on, and nobody's commenting on how Aristophanes is a townread of ours and I posted our single post on him after a wagon on him came up.

The slots who know me should know that I know Aristophanes here and that he's town. A50, Titus, maybe-GE, Aristophanes himself, all of them should be able to tell that I know how to read Aristophanes and am telling them not to vote there...

I am not going to vote Ari. It's true I don't have a read on him, but Sky is right.. offering to claim is + for him. Also the 2 mastinas TR him, so I am not going to go against that on D1.

What are the available alternatives? The mastinas have Kop/STD/DotW as their lim pool for today? I have just unvoted STD and it doesn't make sense for me to revote the same guy who talked me out of it the first time (not saying I am convinced he's Town, but let's see what he has to offer). So, Kop of DotW for me (DotW has pocketed me already, so likely Kop, but I am still open for suggestions if supported by good arguments)

THANK YOU FOR BEING THE ONE PERSON TO BLOODY LISTEN A50. <3

I do wish you'd listen a little bit MORE though. Like, actually quoting the post so you would see the bloody links.

Aristophanes should NOT be the D1 elimination goddammit.

Spoiler: mollie giving more input, on Aristophanes + unwnd + Kop

Aristophanes shouldn't be the D1 elimination.

Also I am scumreading unwnd. Last game I played with him, he was full of piss, vinegar and arrogance, and wasn't afraid to throw his weight around or get into slapfights. From what I learned in that game, that is a town trait for him.

Do you see that here? Because I do not.

If Kop was sitting on a proveable role, then why would kittykat replace out in the way that they did? I call shenanigans on that.

I am in full agreement with everything mollie said here.

Spoiler: mollie on Skybird + unwnd

Skybird:

It seems like Dwlee and RR are scum reading everyone I am town reading. The last few posts from A50 are kind of yucky but I still feel he is town. I get that RR thinks A50 tried to trick him into something, but I don't agree. RR wants an elim badly. He says he's willing to be the D1 lim which is nai in my opinion. The thing that seems more scummy is deciding he is not going to be the lim because his role is better than he thought. Thinking you have a good role isn't nai. It's just the way it all came down that feels hinky to me.

Skybird is pure here, I think, as town as A50. And I agree with this sentiment.

Unwnd is trying to move the wagon back onto Ari.

Yeah, unwnd is scum here.

I also fully agree with mollie here--I think Skybird's later posting like the quote was insanely town and that unwnd's posting was incredibly scum.

Spoiler: mollie on RR

Oh and I think Radrat is scummy now.

Way too much dithering for them.

This however I can't find myself agreeing with. I'm willing to

trust

mollie on RR, but I can't

agree

with it.

Spoiler: mollie's doubt on Dwlee

this really bugs me from Dwelee:

Also I am a universal Miller so I have no idea what will show up to role cops

Obvsly his role would show up as universal miller, but here he is concerned that it might show up as something else. I am renewing my suspicion of Radrat/Dwelee connection.

And while I neither agree nor disagree with mollie on this point (Dwlee's fallen off in read strength to me), it is definitely worth investigating further.

Spoiler: mollie's readslist during the night

SKybird - town
Almost50 - town, but I don't like that they are devoid of scumreads.
Ari - town
Titus - treat as town
Gamma - townish
Meg - town
Ndmath -townish

Dwelee - not liking this slot, needs to be limmed before deadline, really should be vigged.
Yuki - I am not really townreading them. I do think that Taro and Yuki are not scum together, though. So if Taro flips scum that would clear Yuki in my mind.
Taro - meh
Radrat - I actually originally had them as town and now I am scumreading them. His pushback on Almost50 looked genuine, but eh, I dunno. Something isn't right here.
unwmd - scummeh
kop - scummeh
std - lean scum, I think Dotw might have been correct in his std buddying assessment.
superbowl - seemed scummy

So with all of this said,

Updated Readslist

:

LOCKTOWN

:

Almost50
Aristophanes
MegAzumarill (mastina-townread + claim + mollie townread)

STRONG TOWN

:

Titus (both heads townreading)
Skybird (mollie VERY strongly townreading; mastina townreading)

WEAK TOWN

:

Gamma Emerald (both heads loosely town)
Yuki (mastina

town

+ mollie

ambi

valence

)
NDMath (basically pure null from mastina, but

townish

to mollie)

Below this = "can eliminate"

(especially if there's a lot of nontown players in the game)

:

CONFLICTED

:

Radical Rat (mastina

townread

, mollie

strong-scumread

)

NULL/PENDING REEVALUATION

:

Dwlee99 (looked

town enough

D1, claim seemed believable, but doubts to be had + mollie

scumread

)
superbowl9 (looked

town

to mastina but

strongly scum

to mollie, but due to the replacement, is a blank slate)

NULLSCUM

:

Taro (mastina pure null, but mollie thinks is

scummy

)

SCUM

:

Kop
Momrangal/Save the Dragons
unwnd

(final note: mollie said they don't

strongly

scumread anyone outside of unwnd, Kop, and STD)

mollie tl;dr

:

tl;dr

- y'all, it is a long read, but worth it because Mastina is mapping out exactly what we are thinking. We are here, anxiously watching everything, hoping to join you all at some point. Also sorry, Dragon of the West! We thought you looked scummy until you didn't and then it was too late. <3

Hi folks, this is mastina here. Like a dummy dum dum, I forgot to coordinate with mollie an N2 message to send to y'all, so this is purely from me and won't contain as in-depth a summary as our N1 message did, because I don't have the time to get mollie to sign off on this meaning I can't send anything mollie doesn't want to be sent.

I'll start by saying one of the reasons I was so negligent is that we'll be joining you in the living at the start of D3. (We could rejoin the living at any time, but once we do, we can die to a scum nightkill. We valued being an immortal IC over being able to talk live given we could message y'all still + I was fairly swamped IRL so me not being required to post every 48 hours actually was good for me, but we both have agreed that interacting in real time is needed. We wanted to in the latter half of D2, which is one of the reasons our D2 message was so delayed, but ultimately we decided we should rejoin the living at the

beginning

of a day phase as to get the most time to interact with y'all.)

Speaking of D2 tho: my originally-planned message was 98 characters, but it contained something from mollie that mollie asked me to remove, and I obliged. It was something that at the time was mostly mollie, but I now believe to be true even MORE than mollie does, but I still need mollie's permission to out it, which as of me sending this, I do not have. (Sorry, again, me = dumdum.)

I'll give the translation of what WAS there though: Subject: AI UPCIK PART II | Night 2

2m

ReadsL=N2
Game >rand
DON'T lim Ari
PLEASE lim PTMB
MT=powerwolf OR

gem

We believe the game is more likely than not to be multiball. NDMath's flip seems to confirm that to us.

The lines about not eliminating Aristophanes/the worst and eliminating Pookythemagicalbear are self-explanatory.

But the line about Morning Tweet apparently caused confusion.

pirate mollie's read on MT is a complicated one. Again, I'd elaborate more if I had not been a dummy dum dum and not gotten approval first so I can't talk about mollie's read there in full without first getting mollie's consent so lacking it, can't go into details, buuuuuut, basically:

pirate mollie thought that MT looked insanely town initially, but later thought that MT was very probably scum especially in certain situatons. pirate mollie summed it up as basically what I intended to say in that post:
"Either MT is a power-wolf or is the gem of the town".
As in, regardless of Morning Tweet's alignment, Morning Tweet is making really :goodposting:, is actually trying, is a breath of fresh air for the game. If Morning Tweet were town, that would make MT the MVP of the town by virtue of being so full of energy and investment.

...However, mollie believes there's a very very high chance that in spite of how MT's efforting hard, that Morning Tweet is just scum here in spite of the good effort. This is supported by our theory of the game being multiball, because if the game is multiball as we suspect, then Morning Tweet's effort has an obvious explanation: MT can still be super-town by scumhunting for another scum function.

More than that from mollie will have to wait until D3, but I'll share some of my own thoughts.
In contrast to mollie, I do admit; I had an instant read on Morning Tweet's posts: That MT was a power-wolf, in that MT's posts looked good, looked town, but that MT was still scum in spite of how good her posts looked.

That having been said

, there's something REALLY important to address:

The disingenuous-as-fuck take from Pooky.

Because guess what?

I've got basically zero reads in the game.
I think that the Aristophanes slot is still more likely town than not.
I think that Almost50 is still more likely town than not.
I think that Skybird is still more likely town than not.
I, loosely, still believe RR has a high chance of being town albeit not to the same extent as the above three.
I,

very

loosely, still vaguely think Titus to be town, albeit not to the same extent as the above four.
Per the above, I have an overwhelmingly strong gut read that Morning Tweet is a powerwolf, efforting-scum. (Sorry MT, I don't know

what

gave me that strong of a gut read on you but it's literally one of my strongest gutreads I've ever gotten.)

And I have since come to believe that mollie's theory was spot-on (tho I can't out it). But the theory I believe now which was mollie, I didn't believe at the time of our 1666.

At the time I posted that, guess what?

While I had the 5 moderate-to-weak townreads and the scumread on MT?

The rest, and this is why Pooky's posting was disigenuous-as-fuck, the rest of what was said, the entirety of 1666?

That wasn't from me.

That was from PIRATE MOLLIE.

So Pooky was being disingenuous-as-fuck by trying to say "mastina's reads are never right especially on me"--guess what? I didn't have a read on you at all at that point, Pooky. That read was 100% entirely pirate mollie's read and it wasn't until Pooky pushed it as "mastina is always wrong on me" that I got a scumread on you because again, disingenuous as fuck. I'm not playing solo, here. In fact, pirate mollie has done far more work than *I* have.

I've struggled to get reads of any notable strength in this game; basically most of the game is varying shades of null. Heck, during my most busy time I literally went a full week without reading the game! So OBVIOUSLY I am not the one driving our reads here, and IF it were MY read I'd even agree with Pooky! Not to trust me, because when I'm not operating at 100% capacity, my reads tend to not be as good. So I WOULDN'T trust my reads!

But the "please kill Pooky" wasn't from me.

It was

directly from pirate mollie

.

Most of our slot right now isn't me. I'm the mouthpiece for pirate mollie. I'm

submitting

the posts, sure! But while I'm writing the posts and submitting them, make no mistake: a good 80% of what is being said is not MY beliefs. Not MY input. It's ~80% PIRATE MOLLIE.

And don't you fucking DARE disrespect pirate mollie by pretending pirate mollie is me and that mollie's reads suck as much as mine do when pirate mollie is this active, this invested. mollie's literally been quoting posts as they happen with commentary as if playing live. They are VERY much in the game, playing it, more than I am, so you DON'T disrespect their reads like that

Hi there, this is mastina.

I am at work, but I believe that I might have the game solved, or damn near close to it.

I have half of it written up (the post that I wanted to post yesterday), but the remaining half, I need to type up once I get home.

In the mean time, I just wanted our N1/2 posts directly in our iso. (Sorry, I know that it's long.)

Will explain my solve once I get home, and also respond to everything on D3.

[the 2 mastinas]

Meanwhile I do have a

mechanical soft guilty

on Gamma who has been active enough elsewhere but ignoring this thread at all costs.

I also have a 95% clear on Pooky from last night, so stop being [redacted] and vote Gamma or tw (who is confirmed Scum by play).

I do have a post that explains my role in details, but I think it best to wait for Gama to FULL CLAIM HIS ROLE NAME AND HOW IT WORKS before I fully claim myself.

ONE THING though: There used to be a time when Scum could hunt for the COP/INVESTIGATIVE by paying attention to sudden changes in reads overnight. Now neither Scum nor Town pay attention to such “minor details”. That's PATHETIC play from both sides tbh.

Trying to shame people into doing what you want is slurry turd milkshake playing.

Don't play like a slurry turd milkshake just because some players have a different take on the game, than you.

I hunt specials, it is kind of my thing and I could not pick your hint out of crowd.

Who was your n1? And can you please unpack your thoughts as to why you chose the candidates that you did?

And a full claim. You were a strong townread on d1 but our read on you has only grown weaker.

And I would like to understand why.

[the 2 mastinas]

THE WORST IS SCUM! The vote on Pooky with no further discussion/contribution IS A HARD SCUM CLAIM.

VOTE: the worst

I'm down possibly
that's like the one person the Tarou kill implicates I think

Or Yuki.

[the 2 mastinas]

@Gamma:

BEHAVE! And I don't see the relation between this and that tbh. And as for that Booneytoonz you keep bringing up, I am sorry I ever accepted to make that hydra with you in the first place. HAPPY?

NOW BLOODY CLAIM

@Mollie: Talk to the hand. I am only talking to mastina when she does come back (IF I'm still wake)

She is asking me to push you for a claim and I am obliging.

No need to be a slurry turd milkshake.

[the 2 mastinas]

Like I told Mastina I was cool with voting Gamma and here you go being RUDE.

[the 2 mastinas]

@Gamma:

BEHAVE! And I don't see the relation between this and that tbh. And as for that Booneytoonz you keep bringing up, I am sorry I ever accepted to make that hydra with you in the first place. HAPPY?

NOW BLOODY CLAIM

@Mollie: Talk to the hand. I am only talking to mastina when she does come back (IF I'm still wake)

In that game I had ellitell brought up despite me only not posting because I was so behind it was actively blocking me from being able to do basically anything with the game until I cut the cord on you because it was too much effort to switch to hydra and then try to chunk out time to deal with the game. So you bringing it up here is FUCKING RICH.
And I'm not fullclaiming, but I'll state I am a killing role, and am responsible for the meg kill, which is why I'm so sure this ISN'T MULTIBALL.

Why Meg?

[the 2 mastinas]

OK.. so now I claim:

I am The Death Knight. I check if a player can “cause OR prevent” death by any means. The ONLY Scum Role that I can think of that can give me a negative result is a Traitor that cannot be recruited.

However, I can think of at least TEN Town Roles that will return a false positive (thus I cannot get a guilty on anyone. Only a CLEAR). Let's count: Town Vig, Town Vengeful & Town Super Saint all can “cause death”. I skipped the PGO because I won't live to tell the result even.

Babysitter can both kill and prevent a kill. Doctor, Bodygaurd, Jailkeeper, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Bulletproof & arguably Commuter all can prevent deaths. ِAlso something like a Universal Backup with the existance of any of those roles should give me a positive result. I am sure I missed a couple more roles, but I think I made my point.

POOKY CAN NEITHER KILL NOR PREVENT A KILL. Unless he's a Traitor OR I was somehow redirected that's a CLEAR in my book.

GAMMA -on the other hand- gave me a positive result so he CAN either kill or prevent a kill.

I have

seriously

considered quitting many times this game, but I did sign up to it willingly, so I'm not giving Gypyx that hell of trying to find yet another substitute.

Anyway, mollie asked yet anoether silly question (the performative: why did you choose this target), and to this I respond: Who would you have had me check? The Miller? Or the guy who could use ANY dead role which IBVIOUSLY includes killing and protective roles? Or maybe Sky whom -if I was Scum- would have definitely been my N1 kill, maybe?

Now let ME ask one silly question of my own: HOW do you pick your targets as an investigative? Oblige me.. just out of curiosity. Thanks in advance.

Stop your belittling, it doesn't become you.

We can have civil a convo bro.

So what you are saying is that you visited Unwnd N1 and Gamma N2? Do I have this correct?

[the 2 mastinas]

I had to double check to see it was unwnd. Yes.. it's true..

But the game had been interrupted for like .. forever.. so I only remember the slots by their current names

interesting, because it would have been unwnd's posting that would have made want investigate them n1, yes?

Where is your d2 crumb?

[the 2 mastinas]

Tarou claimed neighborhood. Take wild quess with who and win whole nothing.

You can use any pronouns.

So what did you two talk about? Odd that Tarou did not mention this.

[the 2 mastinas]

I had to double check to see it was unwnd. Yes.. it's true..

But the game had been interrupted for like .. forever.. so I only remember the slots by their current names

interesting, because it would have been unwnd's posting that would have made want investigate them n1, yes?

Where is your d2 crumb?

What crumb?? Why would I crumb an inno rather than explicitly oppose the lim?

because that is what cops do...like way back in the day

Maybe this was before your time

[the 2 mastinas]

@Gamma:

BEHAVE! And I don't see the relation between this and that tbh. And as for that Booneytoonz you keep bringing up, I am sorry I ever accepted to make that hydra with you in the first place. HAPPY?

NOW BLOODY CLAIM

@Mollie: Talk to the hand. I am only talking to mastina when she does come back (IF I'm still wake)

I'll give you a reality check, A50.

I was the one who specifically asked for mollie to push you for a full claim.

This is the inverse of D2, where I was posting on Mollie's behalf; here, they are posting on MY behalf at MY request.

The demand for a full claim from you comes from me, because bluntly?

I scumread Pooky more than I townread you.

So no. I won't trust you claiming an innocent there.

[the 2 mastinas]

@Gamma:

BEHAVE! And I don't see the relation between this and that tbh. And as for that Booneytoonz you keep bringing up, I am sorry I ever accepted to make that hydra with you in the first place. HAPPY?

NOW BLOODY CLAIM

@Mollie: Talk to the hand. I am only talking to mastina when she does come back (IF I'm still wake)

I'll give you a reality check, A50.

I was the one who specifically asked for mollie to push you for a full claim.

This is the inverse of D2, where I was posting on Mollie's behalf; here, they are posting on MY behalf at MY request.

The demand for a full claim from you comes from me, because bluntly?

I scumread Pooky more than I townread you.

So no. I won't trust you claiming an innocent there.

(y'all should know by now that this is mastina and that I read chronologically, right? And for some extra context my phone gave me the 1% battery message as I was writing it so I couldn't see that A50 had claimed, right?)

(Gonna take a day to process tho because RR being conftown on top of Pooky being conftown puts a dampener on my working theory. I think it might point to Yuki scum tho.)

[the 2 mastinas]

VOTE: Yuki
Gonna do this and retrieve the post because if the post is right, then Yuki's the only possible scum left by it.

[the 2 mastinas]

mastina here!

Once during the game, you may anonymously put to reward a 1-shot Bulletproof vest to whoever hammers a player of your choice

You win if one person from both these 2 groups gets executed while you are still alive [REDACTED / REDACTED] and [REDACTED / REDACTED] if you succeed, you will leave the game in a victory

Btw I very strongly believe that NDMath

did

have names here.

If you viewed the second half of the role PM in isolation, it'd make sense for it to be plausible that NDMath had no names, just factions, divided into four different factions into two different groups.

...However, the thing that makes me think otherwise is that you can't view the second half of the role PM in isolation; you must account for the

first

half.

Why would NDMath be able to, without knowing who he was meant to target, anonymously incentivize an elimination on a target? He'd have no way of knowing if using this would actually further his wincon.

In contrast, if NDMath had four names, then it'd make a LOT of sense for him to have the ability to eliminate someone.

I am a 'Purely Cleric'.
Each night I investigate if a player can use dark magic, defined as magic involving the dead, curses, or controlled by antitown.
N1 I checked Taroumaru because they seemed to be a universal nullread and got that they couldn't.

I'm opposed to tarou lim because killing my inno just seems wrong.
Of Yuki and Enchant I prefer Yuki because I think Enchant has been alright today, whereas Yuki didn't leave much impression on me day1 and has a poor day2.
VOTE: Yuki

I believe that NDMath's here was not actually 100% bullshit, either.

VOTE: Dragon of the West

VOTE: DotW
There you go.

Am feeling better about Taroumaru despite their lackluster iso.

I don't think they can be w/w with Yuki either.

Morning Tweet also has a very strong entrance.
Although I'm not following why you're townreading rat.

1. RadicalRat
2. Enchant
3. PookyTheMagicalBear
4. Yuki
(snipping irrelevance)
9. Taroumaru

Taroumaru has died, he was...

(recovered section vvv)
I believe that NDMath's list was [Dragon, Taro] and [???, ???].
I believe the scum figured this out after NDMath's flip.
And then they chose to shoot Taro specifically because of NDMath's flip and hints.
Why would they do that?

Because I believe that NDMath

did

have scum names...in the

other

half.

So it then becomes important to speculate--who were the other two?

Well I've got some fairly good ideas.

(Sorry, this^^^ is the section I lost, I said this better the first time, explained it better, but *shrug*, accidental tab close when you have something smaller you intend to copy over into your post, on your big post, copied instead of the big post, will do that to you when the recovered form is only a partial recovery.)

imo the unwnd/rat interaction looks good for unwnd and

meh for rat

.

RR's beliefs towards dwlee's and Mega's claims are still rather eerie to me.

VOTE: RR
I definitely prefer this to A50.

Am feeling better about the Ari vote than I was earlier but

still would prefer RR

.

Am feeling better about Taroumaru despite their lackluster iso.

I don't think they can be w/w with Yuki either

.

Although

I'm not following why you're townreading rat

.

1. RadicalRat
3. PookyTheMagicalBear
4. Yuki

Still prefer RR

as in I'm not switching my vote from RR to Ari.

@A50, What's your read on Yuki? You've been voting with them a lot and I'm confused why you sheeped them here to vote Titus.

@pooky, when you get to your list thing can you also elaborate on most of your reads? They're very different from those of most of this game (perhaps fresh set of eyes, etc).

VOTE: Pooky
ISO is half a poor attempt at running a GtH with IioA on results, and most of the rest is fluff.

I think town!pooky would be more readable than he is right now.

Idk, I guess I'm just frustrated at this point. I also don't understand what the townreads on him are for.

I'm opposed to tarou lim because killing my inno just seems wrong.
Of Yuki and Enchant

I prefer Yuki

because I think Enchant has been alright today, whereas Yuki didn't leave much impression on me day1 and has a poor day2.
VOTE: Yuki

I realize there's three names for two possible slots, Pooky/RR/Yuki, but I'm

fairly

sure that 2/3 were indeed on NDMath's non-Dragon/Taro list and that there IS scum in there and said scum figured out Taro was conftown from figuring out NDMath's role and iso and NDMath's push on Dragon D1. RR is probably one name, the only question is if the second was Yuki or Pooky.

I overall lean towards Yuki being the second.

With RR as conftown, that means if my theory is valid, then that Yuki would be scum.

[the 2 mastinas]

You know if you would sign your posts it'd be a lot less confusing

Well to be blunt.

If y'all can't tell the difference between PIRATE MOLLIE and MASTINA.

You frankly don't deserve to.

'Cause pirate mollie and I have literally diametrically opposite posting styles.

mollie uses mostly lowercase and often doesn't use proper punctuation; I exclusively use exact grammar/punctuation/etc. with sentences properly capitalized and such. mollie tends to make shorter posts that are succinct, direct, and to the point; my posts...aren't. mollie's emotes tend to be from offsite; my emotes tend to be exclusively ' '.

So like.

If you can't tell the difference between pirate mollie and me.

You frankly don't deserve to.

(I literally speak entirely differently to mollie, not to mention, post at different times, too.)

[the 2 mastinas]

imagine coming into thread and finding out the person you voted has been inno'd by a claimed cop but you still vote them because ????


rofl amazing game

Imagine fake claiming d1, having a cop inno and not even remembering who or why you investigated them in the first place

W I L D

[the 2 mastinas]

maybe he could have just said that

[the 2 mastinas]

do you have results or something?

Read nerfed to hell. Starts after night 2. That's one of my nerfs. The other I am only announcing after a guilty. (Innos unaffected).

I find it odd that we have 3 cops but only one is nerfed.

[the 2 mastinas]

Who is the scum?

[the 2 mastinas]

NDMath....

I really need you to be a bit more forthcoming.

I don't remember you announcing that you had a guilty on NDMath (who wasn't by the way! They were 3p, not the same thing). If I remember correctly, it was Morning Tweet who pretty much pushed it all by her lonesome, with Pooky sheeping her. So when did you cc?

And when you saw that A50 cleared Pooky, why didn't you respond then? Why didn't you cc him?

And what was your view on MT, anyway? It

read

that you had a guilty on her, but you are not voting her so I am confused about the read.

[the 2 mastinas]

I didn't have a hard guilty on NDMath. I cced them based on me not believing there were two cops in the game.

I claimed before A50.

I don't have a guilty on MT. They just read as scum to me and have for awhile.

Mastina agrees with you about MT.

But if you didn't believe there were two cops in the game why aren't you cc'ing A50 and Dwelee? Like Dwelee's claim is really odd, considering RR is saying he is a reflexive role blocker who somehow maybe was blocked.

Who else did you investigate?

Come on Titus, help me out.

[the 2 mastinas]

Hey A50

are there some magickal words I use where you stop being a dick? Your toxic masculinity posturing is getting old.

We can play a game w/o insulting each other.

[the 2 mastinas]

Who is the scum?

TBH, I suspect the

IC

slot is, and Gypyx is -once again- trolling us.

WTF did I do to you for you to act so shitty towards me?

YOUR d1 reads sucked but instead of taking any responsibility for them you are doing this horizontal snarky bullshit when if you are town you should be working with us, not being an ass.

god I fucking hate people sometimes.

[the 2 mastinas]

Mollie, hugs are in order. People can be jerks. I trust you'll get it right when you step away.

While I'm far from perfect, my play has improved from posting less and being less stubborn. I catch more details. You taught me that.

A50, please stop aggravating town. Mollie and mastina are two of the best players when on their game. Let them work. Distracting them leads to conversations we just had.

Mastina and I are of two minds about this game. She thinks that there is a possibility it is a single scum team, but I think given NDMath's flip there is a chance the game is just full of 3ps. Like I think the redacted names in NDMath's role card are of two indie parties.

Ari was Mastina's and lol, A50's town read, I had them at null, except for the movement in the thread at the time of their wagon felt like they had a chance of flipping town. Other than that - not my read.

So I am not opposed to the worst's lim, largely because they are nowhere to be found. If they don't care, then I find it hard to care myself.

Do you think MT and the worst are scum together?

[the 2 mastinas]

Also do you really think that Tarou/Enchant are both town?

[the 2 mastinas]

jfc what is wrong with you, A50?

Dwelee prefers gender neutral pronouns, it is there in their sig. Just say you are sorry and try not to do it again and move on.

Plz stop acting like this, you were fun when you were lightly trolling and playing nothing going on but the rent.

Seriously chill.

[the 2 mastinas]

All three of those are good choices, but I feel like Yuki's the hardest to sort without a cop on account of her not really playing much. I certainly wouldn't mind having proper confirmation on MT, or the ability to trust A50 though.

I agree with RR here, but I trust you to do what you think is best. <3

[the 2 mastinas]

Dude you don't get to control any aspect of my life. I will join the games I want to join and if you want to flounce off like a two year old that is your business.

And I am not attacking you, I am trying to educate you how to handle when you misgender a non-binary. Most people understand that there is an adjustment period and mistakes might be made, but at least do the right thing and apologize and move on. No need to get defensive about it.

[the 2 mastinas]

BTW haven't run this by mollie and haven't read the game since my post last night, but I think that the game could be CLOSE to an autowin if we take into account the following:
RR is conftown via Dwlee;
Dwlee is town for conftowning RR;
Pooky is town from A50;
A50 is town via claim;
Gamma is town via the Vig claim.
Given that we're conftown, that's six clears with 14 alive.
Get two more, and the game gets to autowin territory.

But obviously, I need to read, and to synch up with mollie.

[the 2 mastinas]

Well, be forewarned that I will report you for stalking if you do join a game I signed up for before you did.

And You educate ME? Well, I'd better not respond to that because it may not reflect good on your future, and I don't want to feel guilty about it.

Now PISS OFF ALREADY

Psst...I am the reason we even HAVE a stalking rule, lol. Garmr (banned) used to follow me around from game to game. I know the stalking rule inside out, and I am allowed to sign-up for any game and it is up to YOU to decide what you want to do with that. I won't replace into games you are already in cos you are not fun.

And jesus, you are straight up saying you are going to abuse a rule that was put in place to protect people from harassment, not a manchild who is melting down cos I am calling them on their shit.

And as non-binary myself, I am pretty sure I am qualified to educate you on what to do if you fuck up someone's pronouns.

Ftr, I don't think you are a bad person or even realize that Dwelee has struggled with their gender identity. (I read your speakeasy posts, Dwelee)

Anyway, back to the game. Are we going to leash the vig or what? Everyone just kind of let that go.

[the 2 mastinas]

BTW haven't run this by mollie and haven't read the game since my post last night, but I think that the game could be CLOSE to an autowin if we take into account the following:
RR is conftown via Dwlee;
Dwlee is town for conftowning RR;
Pooky is town from A50;
A50 is town via claim;
Gamma is town via the Vig claim.
Given that we're conftown, that's six clears with 14 alive.
Get two more, and the game gets to autowin territory.

But obviously, I need to read, and to synch up with mollie.

Yeah, love, you need to catch up <3

[the 2 mastinas]

Do you not believe Titus's claim, MT?

[the 2 mastinas]

i dont know if i should be mentioning these things so soon. On one hand i can see good reasons for giving my verdict on which claims are likely and which can't be sure on, but i can see bad ones too. I'm so terrible when it comes to role business

I think just talking about that read will be fine

Talk to me about your Enchant read, plz <3

[the 2 mastinas]

dude is shady af ngl

inorite

I have been yammering to Mastina for days about them.

[the 2 mastinas]

I have been yammering to Mastina for days about them.

I mean, even with the theory you had about Enchant + MT + Pooky being almost-assuredly debunked by A50's result on Pooky (meaning that at absolute

most

it'd be 2/3rds), I still back it and believe it to have a fairly good chance of being right.

[the 2 mastinas]

A50: Cop-type roleclaim so fairly self-resolving
Dwlee: Cleared RR in a way incredibly unlikely to be scum
Gamma Emerald: Claimed vig; if singleball, is cleared, and if multiball, well, scum know it's multiball and that GE would be other-scum so GE's not long for this world either way.
Titus: claimed cop
Radical Rat: Cleared by Dwlee, verifying his friendly neighbor claim
Pooky: cleared by A50 (only falls apart if there's multiball-scum who can't kill or A50 is scum but as both of those are incredibly unlikely, it's safe to assume just-town for now)
We're conftown, too.

So that leaves:

Yuki
Aristophanes/the worst
Skybird
Morning Tweet/Save The Dragons/Momrangal
Enchant/Superbowl9

If this is singleball, it's legit just ~4, maybe all 5 of them.

[the 2 mastinas]

I...just wanna get this straight.

So Morning Tweet blocked Dwelee n2 (Gawddess alone knows why) , but Dwelee somehow got a clear on RR anyway.

Then MT blocks A50, after A50 claimed cop the day before, and she acted like she largely believed him since she lynched town!worst and didn't help us with Pooky at all.

Now she comes in today saying that Pooky/A50 are a likely team.

Meanwhile, Enchant continues to be eternally scummy, which is a shame cos I like them. I will ask the question again, Tarou/Enchant were bound, does anyone think they are both town here? Like seriously?

We are limming between MT/Enchant today, plz. Y'all need to stop letting scum lead the lims. Can you plz, for the love all that is real and meaningful in your lives, plz listen/work with the IC today, tyvm.

[the 2 mastinas]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

[the 2 mastinas]

A50

Mt is likely the commuter.

[the 2 mastinas]

Read my role again

I did.

So you think that A50 claimed cop, but tried to nk you instead, and is now claiming a failed result on you in the hopes of getting you mislimmed?

Do I have this right?

[the 2 mastinas]

I don't roleblock unless my target is attacked or gets attacked

I'm a protector not a roleblocker

And I don't find A50/Pooky to be the most likely that's why I protected him putting faith he was a town PR

So are you claiming jailkeeper then? Because that is the only you could protect and not have A50's view go though.

[the 2 mastinas]

I target A50 and it roleblocks him if he attacks or gets attacked

I'm basically jailkeeper

In most worlds he got attacked because he can make clears and i was banking on that

But it is possible he also tried to attack someone yes

Why would you jk a cop

[the 2 mastinas]

Also there is the issue that Dwelee got mod confirmation that RR is town, and you said nothing.

And why Dwelee?

[the 2 mastinas]

IT'S A MADE UP ROLE MASTINA

IT'S CALLED THE HIGH PRIESTESS OF AZURA'S HAND

IS THAT IN THE WIKI?

That is called a role NAME.

It is not a role.

lol

[the 2 mastinas]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME

This is making me lose my fucking mind and it shouldnt. i really shouldnt care. but this misunderstanding is just like hurting me physically

I am so sorry for yelling

I guess it is that I just don't believe your claim. *shrug*

[the 2 mastinas]

it's shit like "Why didn't you mention that Dwlee claimed an action?" and "Why would you roleblock a cop?" that infuriates me

You aren't even reading what im saying

I am but every town player that has flipped has had "dark" in their role name, minus you.

Also I have hard meta on Mom. Like REALLY hard meta. I hate using it against you, but I do take it in consideration.

eta: it did take me a minute to get what you were saying what your role was. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[the 2 mastinas]

So you're just going to continue to think anything you said made sense

Alright

Please by all means then

I am saying that it took me a minute to get what you were saying. I have dyslexia, so sometimes I will misread something. It is why I try to hydra if I can.

Again, I apologize for the inconvenience.

[the 2 mastinas]

Thank god you at least read the role.

Your meta is wrong then but i mean, most of your scumreads tend to be that way so i'm not terribly surprised

also what are you talking about with regards to dark in the name

We are a hydra. None of my scumreads have flipped except Kop.

My townreads sure are flipping town though. I don't I am as far off as you would like everyone to believe.

[the 2 mastinas]

Oh

i'm really sorry for getting angry mastinas. I thought you were purposefully ignoring me

It's cool.

I really wasn't trying to.

[the 2 mastinas]

Also, the reason there was only one nightkill is that Gamma did a vig kill N1, and we're most probably in singleball. Which means A50 was not attacked or attacking, because the scumkill went through.

I was gonna point that out too.

[the 2 mastinas]

What I suspect is happening here is that scum roleblocked A50 and killed Titus in order to prevent us from getting any workable cop results. Through PoE, scum has to be Enchant/Yuki/Skybird. We can start with Enchant.

VOTE: Enchant

VOTE: Enchant

I am cool with this.

[the 2 mastinas]

Like if you're gonna go through the PoE in perfect order what is it

Let's start with Enchant.

[the 2 mastinas]

VOTE: enchant

in for a penny in for a pound

so is this a hammer

[the 2 mastinas]

yeah, it's 4

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

gotta wait for Mastina

[the 2 mastinas]

UNVOTE:

[the 2 mastinas]

Rip

?

[the 2 mastinas]

Dwelee, can you give me a synopsis of your understanding of the state of the game?

[the 2 mastinas]

Idk I saw you push MT for a page from a misunderstanding about her role and I kinda checked out

before and the Enchant wagon?

[the 2 mastinas]

I have no idea what the enchant case is

then you can give an unbiased opinion

[the 2 mastinas]

I am ok with an Enchant lim. I'm not sure what the vote count is. Let me look.

Could you weigh in on RR's lynch order?

I don't think Yuki is scum. But it is you, after Enchant and Yuki.

[the 2 mastinas]

Honestly I'm very pissed at Yuki for basically abandoning this game. After all that self meta crap about only shit posting as town, she stopped shit posting and disappeared.

hhmmm...

[the 2 mastinas]

Shiro

Is it because you signed up to play with Yuki and you feel like she abandoned you? Skybird, this is what I see from my perspective.

Enchant isn't incensed about being scumread, they are asking why in that order. Pooky and Morning Tweet were musing out loud as to whether it was necessary to have a town kingmaker. I have some other stuff about A50 but I am letting Mastina work that out.

And Dwelee is acting odd.

And Mastina has been around today yet.

If you are town, Shiro, plz help me out.

eta: hi Gamma

[the 2 mastinas]

3

or

2 and 2

is what i have been operating under the assumption of

Or maybe it's like 3 and a SK-like

Also why are you asking me

Depending on the alignments of NDmath’s targets I think 3 or 4 groupscum is what we’re looking at

So are you going to talk about how you claimed vig and there have no more nks since n1?

[the 2 mastinas]

So wait, Skybird is getting PoE’d? I will admit it’s been a while but she was pretty towny early on, so I think there’s some sort of issue w the PoE

THANK YOU

and I don't see scum!Yuki voting town!Taroumarou for blindly sheeping her d1, or picking a fight with town!Titus. I could be wrong, but that just doesn't seem scum motivated to me.

I feel like Enchant scumslipped when they called Taromarou confirmed before her flip.

[the 2 mastinas]

So are you going to talk about how you claimed vig and there have no more nks since n1?

I merely claimed killing role, and I haven’t made a kill since the first one
If I were SK this would be shit play tbh

Yeah, it would be. You have been town to me all game fwiw. Trying to poke at you to firm up the read. <3

[the 2 mastinas]

Hmm
Tarou said she had a neighborhood with someone

Enchant

[the 2 mastinas]

If the claim had come up in the hood I’d say the scum slip you mentioned wasn’t a thing but you might actually have a point

And there is also that they are asking why the order of the lim, not protesting the lim.

It is painfully obvious that MT and Enchant are scum together.

I really want to say that this is multiball but the lack of kills just doesn't point to it.

[the 2 mastinas]

Yes, her main is the person who sent me a message and asked for me to play this game so it would fill. If she is town, she needs to come back to help us solve. We haven't hit a scum yet. We limmed a 3rd party but not one of the scum team.

Gamma and I are trying to solve now, you could help us.

[the 2 mastinas]

Mastina, if you are sure Yuki is town, we need to figure out the scum we are town reading. I think it is more than one.

P-edit: MT and Enchant would make 2 scum if correct.

I am not sure, but do you see scum!Yuki doing either of those things?

edit: there are many reasons why I think that slot is scum, despite me really wishing she was town. It is her treatment of Enchant that kind of seals it for me.

[the 2 mastinas]

Also RR is the one who came up with the poe list btw.

[the 2 mastinas]

I'm looking back at MT's iso. She gives the second half of kop's wagon a pass because it was late in the day. We might need to look at those name too for scum if MT flips scum.

P-edit -- RR was cleared wasn't he?

Titus flipped cop.

A50 claims to be a cop role too, who has cleared Pooky. And Dwelee says he has mod confirmation that RR is town. so that is 3 investigative roles and an IC.

Does this sounds like it adds up to you? I am not the best at game mechs but scum would have to have a cannon to counter that, right?

Gamma what do you think?

[the 2 mastinas]

Pooky replaced in to one of the slots that people were leaning scum on iirc.

Pooky replaced STD.

[the 2 mastinas]

morning tweet replaces save the dragons ! One replacement left

MT replaced StD.

Who replaced Momrangel. It is in the op. <3

[the 2 mastinas]

He isn't mechanically cleared, I am, but the way the whole thing went down yesterday seems extremely unlikely to have come from scum!Dwlee

This makes me feel so much better. This makes so much more sense. And I agree about Dwelee.

Got it.

I had forgotten Tarou's role name, but I guess I consider the Wicker Man dark. I should have amended "dark or dark seeming".

[the 2 mastinas]

Like I entered the game a miller and then I hammered a townie (and shouldn't I have two stacks of hated on me...?)

I have been wondering why you are still hated.

That makes me believe A50.

So

Us
RR
Dwelee
A50
Pooky
Gamma

Enchant/Yuki/Skybird/MT are left. So mechanically it has to be in one of those.

Why aren't we doing a massclaim at this point?

[the 2 mastinas]

Like I entered the game a miller and then I hammered a townie (and shouldn't I have two stacks of hated on me...?)

I have been wondering why you are still hated.

That makes me believe A50.

So

Us
RR
Dwelee
A50
Pooky
Gamma

Enchant/Yuki/Skybird/MT are left. So mechanically it has to be in one of those.

Why aren't we doing a massclaim at this point?

sorry, I mean *in that pool*

[the 2 mastinas]

Also I retract what I said about Yuki/Skybird. One of them, if not both of them has to be scum.

Sorry, it has been a looooooong time since I have played a large solo, I usually do most of my writing on IM and I am RUSTY af.

[the 2 mastinas]

I am the High Priestess of Azura's Hand, capable of targetting a player at night. If they attempt to attack someone or are attacked, I roleblock them and their visitors.

I was under the impression i got feedback if i was successful but i was mistaken

So I think that this is a scumclaim from Morning Tweet here for three reasons.

1: The main reason: Morning Tweet is claiming a protective.
Almost50 was roleblocked, so his role failed, but even if he hadn't been roleblocked, he'd have gotten a guilty.

Morning Tweet was in the POE yesterday; Morning Tweet knew Almost50's role; Morning Tweet as this role should have known that she'd show as a guilty to Almost50.

So:

If this claim is real, why didn't you claim that you were a miller to A50's role yesterday, MT?

2:

You know what? I'm not feeling like doing another one of those, so I'm letting the others decide on it.

I targeted Morning Tweet and got no result, with an action failed notice

While it's possible that Almost50 was targeted by a nightkill if the game is multiball or pseudo-multiball (i.e., a serial killer), if the game is singleball, then there is no explanation for Almost50 being roleblocked. Scum killed Titus. Therefore, if the game is singleball, Almost50 could not have ALSO been killed by scum.

And yet, with Almost50 being roleblocked, there needs to be someone who roleblocked him. Morning Tweet's claim fits as a scum roleblocker modifying their role to be less scum than it is, with MT having just roleblocked A50 last night, no fancy dress-ups.

3: While I get that getting pushed by mollie was infuriating and that mollie's lack of having processed the claim was genuinely something that would be aggregating regardless of alignment, it read to me as "caught for the wrong reasons".

HOWEVER

, while I well and truly believe that Morning Tweet is scum for this claim, I want to leave Morning Tweet alive

this

day phase.
There's three reasons for this.
1: If the game IS multiball, Morning Tweet could be EITHER town OR scum but in either case the opposite scum has incentive to kill MT.
2: If I am wrong about MT being scum, MT is a powerful killstopper role who forces scum to guess. When we have better scum to eliminate, we should leave MT alive just in case MT is town so that MT can put pressure on the scum.
3: And we DO have better scum to eliminate--

Enchant is like 99% scum here, soooooooo.
With 9 alive if we have 1 elimination each night, we can go:
Enchant > Yuki > MT > Skybird (personal preference here).
(RR off the table due to being conftown, Dwlee off the table due to the way they generated conftown, Pooky off the table due to being conftown*, A50 off the table from being investigative that's very likely real, and Gamma off the table for being either a vig or multiball-scum or pseudo-multiball-scum and thus not the MAIN scum regardless.)

[the 2 mastinas]

I wasnt really under the impression i was PoE though, I more just thought that was your read

had i thought i was a viable mislim maybe i would have noticed

I feel just about as obviously in my town meta as i ever have, i exited it longer ago than i can remember. Like look at my post count. Scum terrifies me, and yes even multiball

I am sorry, MT, but I don't know your meta! If I did, it would most certainly help. I can read players much more easily if I know them.

Did you see the post that Gamma pulled up? Enchant and Taromarou never discussed her role. So how was she conftown to Enchant? And there are literally a million other little things that are just like that, and forgive me, but it seems to me that a player of your caliber would have picked up on that if you were town.

So to me, from my POV you don't have a town role pm.

town role pm <<< town motivation <<< town posting

and I just cannot understand how you missed all of that, and when I press you about your read on them you then, reference some games that I know nothing about and pass it off as a read. I am not even clear in what your saying in those posts.

And I really don't understand why you are getting so miffed about this.

There is also that Mastina and Titus both gut read you as scum, and that has weight in my analysis.

Is it so wrong that I just think differently than you? Because I agree with Mastina, getting aggravated with me misreading your role pm is NAI.

[the 2 mastinas]

UNVOTE:

Player of my caliber...?

Because to me, your entrance looked town af. I thought you were a super strong player if town, and that town!you would have pressed Enchant more on what they meant and what their role was.

Am I wrong?

[the 2 mastinas]

I actually have no idea who you're referring to as "she" there

I'm going to be honest with you i have felt like ive been seeing red ever since you revived

Why?

[the 2 mastinas]

Do you keep dodging on purpose

Who are you talking to? Me?

What was your question?

I obviously missed it.

[the 2 mastinas]

Do you keep dodging on purpose

Who are you talking to? Me?

What was your question?

I obviously missed it.

Why Yuki blatantly dodging elim and we choping Worst, me and others instead?

How is she blatantly dodging elim?

[the 2 mastinas]

Also, it helps if you address me directly, if you are expecting a response. Otherwise I will just assume the question is either general or rhetorical.

[the 2 mastinas]

^^^ that was to Enchant

[the 2 mastinas]

Enchant,

My read on Yuki is independent of my read on you.

The simple truth is that you have infinitely more scum equity than Yuki does. I also think that Yuki is low hanging fruit and that a clear on her would be very inconvenient for scum, Titus was nked over A50, because she was considering copping Yuki. MT has also noted this and has said so.

And the way that you are putting more effort into trying to convince me that Yuki is scummier than you, rather than convince me you are town, just makes me think that Yuki is very likely the town in the remaining POE.

Your scumflip will clear Yuki.

[the 2 mastinas]

Enchant,

My read on Yuki is independent of my read on you.

The simple truth is that you have infinitely more scum equity than Yuki does. I also think that Yuki is low hanging fruit and that a clear on her would be very inconvenient for scum, Titus was nked over A50, because she was considering copping Yuki. MT has also noted this and has said so.

And the way that you are putting more effort into trying to convince me that Yuki is scummier than you, rather than convince me you are town, just makes me think that Yuki is very likely the town in the remaining POE.

Your scumflip will clear Yuki.

Like, from

your

POV (if you were town), scum would HAVE to be Yuki/Skybird/MT, but you are even saying that, you just want us to believe that Yuki is scum.

[the 2 mastinas]

Anyhoo, going to bed.

[the 2 mastinas]

That was my actual god damn role except after I was culted i could force it to roleblock yeah sorry A50

Kind of a cool setup but like we almost auto lost ???? despite only eliminating town???? so idk what was happening there

I mean, all you had to do was convert the 2 mastinas, and you would have won easily by having a scum IC

Mastina doesh't have any real useful PR though, so we decided to take something more useful.

Mastina was blind anyway, killing townies on right and left.

Only on MS can we:

* Be dead on d1, with no vote and 2 posts, 1 of them completely obscure....and still get blamed for the d1 mislim.
* Be dead on n2....and still get blamed for the nks.
* Be alive on d2, and not have any part of the mislim....and still get blamed for the mislim.
* Be alive on d3, pushing 2 cult members (scum)....and still have the person we were pushing make this post.



I might be annoyed except you tried to 1v1 your own cult leader, and if she dies you die, and I find that incredibly funny.

I have been looking for a cult leader all game, ever since it was mentioned in the sign-ups and the delay in the starting of the game.

I thought at the start of d3 it was Pooky and that he had culted Morning Tweet and Enchant, that is why I was so bloodthirsty for him.

But then I interacted with him and I thought, "maybe he is just really good scum" but nah you were town. I apologize for my fearful tunneling of you, it is just that I thought that if you were cult leader you would have snowballed town into an easy win with your charm.

I hope the game is just over.






I might be

[the 2 mastinas]

...exceptionally excited that the game is just over.

[the 2 mastinas]

for maximum immersion i modded like a bot we'll say

once again sorry everyone, i'll try to release stuff when i stop hating myself

plz don't hate yourself <3

[the 2 mastinas]

It is just a game, Gypyx.