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You probably did the correct thing by claiming miller early, but with your role being hardest to prove, showing town intentions still will have doubts over whether you are really town. I know RR has clarified that he submitted that role, but that doesn't confirm you as town.
I can vote within Yuki, Gamma, Superbowl at the current time.
In post 469, Skybird wrote:Kop, I was concerned about RR because he "thought" he knew Dwlee's role and called him town. I thought this was like other Upick's I've been in before, you pick your role and you get it or something close. That made RR's claim that Dwlee was town very suspect. It looked like RR was scum and that's how he knew Dwlee was town, not because of the role. I've not been in a game where the roles the players picked were randomly assigned to the players. When the mod indicated that was the case then it was possible that RR did know the role and the alignment of it because he had submitted it.
I understand that point, there's no denying that RR may have submitted that role, and that something close to that has been given to Dwlee, but it still doesn't appease that RR is town, he could still be scum, as he has been given something else. Which in turn, could be scum.
In post 475, Skybird wrote:Kop, I haven't decided whether RR is scum or town. I just said that I wasn't interested in voting him right now when I moved my vote.
You moved your vote onto someone that you felt wasn't playing the game, and happens to be the highest wagon available.
In post 475, Skybird wrote:Kop, I haven't decided whether RR is scum or town. I just said that I wasn't interested in voting him right now when I moved my vote.
You moved your vote onto someone that you felt wasn't playing the game, and happens to be the highest wagon available.
In post 475, Skybird wrote:Kop, I haven't decided whether RR is scum or town. I just said that I wasn't interested in voting him right now when I moved my vote.
You moved your vote onto someone that you felt wasn't playing the game, and happens to be the highest wagon available.
Disregard this post, I got it wrong. I must have seen your vote on Momrangel, but not moved it to Dwlee. And I happen to be the highest wagon available.
In post 431, Skybird wrote:A50, I understand what you are saying in post 424 but it bugs me. Do you want to vote Mom and Kitty just to save the mod some trouble or do you have an alternative motif?
I have nothing else against Kitty tbh. Mom however is another story. This game opened on September 20 (check Yuki's 1st post). Mom contributed 5 posts since, none of which I'd call a good post. OK.. to save me a lot of tricky talk that could have me step on the wrong side of the rules.. have a look:
I mean I think the worms problem is real, but what of the time between this game started and she found out about the dogs problem?
But yeah, activity is key for both. We can't afford 2 inactive slots because that would hinder our abilities to wagon someone we suspect is scum, so even if they're Town they're dead weight, and I'd rather get rid of them sooner than later (I hope there's a Vig out there, so we can treat D2 as if it was D1 in a 15-players game and move on)
I'd rather push for replacements, if possible. I do agree with the points that you made about the deadweight being a problem, but if they are town, then I would actually like them to be replaced and show that they are town. If they are scum, then great but it still doesn't help because we can't draw any associations because they never contributed, or socialized with anyone, that could help us find partners. But yeah, if it went down that road, we can treat day 2 as day 1, effectively, but would rather replacements, than wasting kills.
In post 161, unwnd wrote:I'm going to try and ignore most claims because they're not provable. Doesn't matter if you claim whatever Dwlee did it's bastard and anything goes. Radical claiming they know dwlee is town because aforementioned reasons is white noise to me. As it stands, I'm not getting a feel for what people want because it's mostly revolved around the setup itself. I think it should be treated as secondary at best. My reasoning is on the fact (I believe I've said this before, so if you've been in a game with me prepare to hear the same spiel!) mechanical play is very easy to hide behind and talk about.
For context, I just lost a recent game (Bloodstained) where I had scum in my crosshairs. Town got distracted by mechanical proceedings and it ended up with me being treated as an enemy of the state for wanting to do my fucking job. Two slots got close to cleared and we let ourselves get blindsided. Titus was in that game and can attest to my claims. In short-- Let's not do that again.
I'm probably out of touch in terms of how mafia is played nowadays. But back in my time, being a miller, logical play is to come out with it early, to prevent any WIFOM later in the day, if he is investigated. But he could easily be hiding behind a fake claim, so I'm not going to read him as town, until he shows his hand and shows that he is town. He also doesn't get that universal town read because RR said that role was the one he submitted. They both could easily be scum, in this situation.
In post 159, unwnd wrote:Documenting thoughts in a notepad that I'll be slowly revealing over time
Don't like reading? Too fucking bad. Time to be a selfish bastard
In post 161, unwnd wrote:I'm going to try and ignore most claims because they're not provable. Doesn't matter if you claim whatever Dwlee did it's bastard and anything goes. Radical claiming they know dwlee is town because aforementioned reasons is white noise to me. As it stands, I'm not getting a feel for what people want because it's mostly revolved around the setup itself. I think it should be treated as secondary at best. My reasoning is on the fact (I believe I've said this before, so if you've been in a game with me prepare to hear the same spiel!) mechanical play is very easy to hide behind and talk about.
For context, I just lost a recent game (Bloodstained) where I had scum in my crosshairs. Town got distracted by mechanical proceedings and it ended up with me being treated as an enemy of the state for wanting to do my fucking job. Two slots got close to cleared and we let ourselves get blindsided. Titus was in that game and can attest to my claims. In short-- Let's not do that again.
In post 267, unwnd wrote:I actually missed that you were voting in tandem with A50.
Do you have any independent leanings? I don't mind the attempts to give out reads, I would read most of those as well-meaning as I'm pretty sure the lack of anything is just nervous scum
Probably says more about what type of team we're dealing with
@unwnd - it's really nitpicky of me, but the wordiness at times strikes me as fluff/over-deliberation. It could literally just be the way you write
I like to write. I like to express myself and Mafia is a good compartment to try and deliver my thoughts in interesting ways. However, the game is more shallow than a kiddie pool right now. I looked at this game, saw it was a large theme and thought we'd be at 1000 posts in 2 days because that's how things goes these days.
To my surprise, we are instead not anywhere close. My initial claims were self-serving observations that were meant to try and get the game going. And believe me, I don't mind a slow pace, but the play that is going on isn't necessarily methodical or anything to dig into. That being said, you putting some degree of effort (even if it's just quoting my posts) is...fine. Yet I want to get past just feeling fine or feeling 'meh' about multiple things and that just isn't happening.
Do you think I as scum would want to give myself attention in a stagnant game?
The game is indeed slow, do I see scum giving themselves attention by trying to move the game forward? There is that slight chance, but I don't see it.
I can see scum liking it where everybody just seems to be socializing as it would be far easier to blend in, and not draw any warranted attention. But there is that slight chance that scum can see this as an opportunity to take the lead, but that would leave it harder for them to hide later in the game, if they survive. Scum won't like vocal players and town will get paranoid to why that person is still alive.
I lean town on Dwlee but need to see them latch onto something before fully
I think you elim in RR/Aristo/ND/Yuki you probably fidd a good amount of scum
I did my read up slightly wrong and over reading through a few things again, I think my reads are nearly as close to yours, but with Skybird being an exception.
If anyone has played with Toura, is this his normal playstyle? Because I over read his ISO, and I think I'll find it hard to read that slot. But I'm not going to go for it right now, as I don't agree with going for low hanging fruit.
In post 566, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thoughts feels pretty sensible
I want more incisive thought on some things later though
But it's just words. I could call a handful of posts town, town, tonally town, and give out reads on who I think is town and who is scum. It doesn't give me any reason to say that I like it.
It doesn't give me any indication to like Titus catch up, yeah her reads maybe likeable, but the catch up to that point, seems mediocre, at best.
In post 778, Dragon of the West wrote:@Kop - how can you prove your role is town? I just want to know in what way it can be proven
Alright, I'm about to be in the mountains hiking for the next ~10 hours...I'll be back tonight
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Why is everyone seem to be scum reading A50? I could be wrong, but I can't see scum acting like he is with the way he is skipping around, pushing for avenues. As scum that would be allowing yourself to appear scummy by doing so, because it looks like you're pushing for claims left right and center.
