AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

Almost50 · Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:03 am

Ignoring "first 3 posters".. I am the FURST poster. (I am also the FIRST on the players list, and I trust I am the oldest too, so I shall be claiming the "chairman" seat until proper elections have been held. That said; my first executive decision is to .. wait for it: CANCEL ELECTIONS!)

Oh, and a random vote on...

VOTE: Pesto

This a totally random vote. It's not because that's the only name I don't recognize on the players list or anything like that.

Almost50 · Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:05 am

In post 12, Dwlee99 wrote:Also I'm a universal miller

Nice!

Q: Did the role you submitted have any impact on the one you received? Because mine didn't.

Almost50 · Post Post #21 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:13 am

In post 16, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah I didn’t get back anything like my submission
I wonder if we should do something like what happened in 3d20, or if that’s more likely to just give scum more information than town
Was anyone in the previous run of AI UPick?

I don't think anything we submitted was directly used as-is, but I still think it's a bad idea to do that on page 1. MAYBE later.. or maybe not at all.

Almost50 · Post Post #23 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:16 am

Also -true story- I thought I was Scum at first glance when I opened my role PM. Only when I read it in full did I realize The Kingdom was the TOWN faction, and that Gypyx used red text to mess with us all.

Almost50 · Post Post #30 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:36 am

So we have a Miller and a Hated player. Anything else? Ascetic?? PGO?? Goo???

Almost50 · Post Post #36 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:51 am

In post 3, Gypyx wrote:
Day 1 starts now !

public rule
Anyone hammering a member of the kindgom will become an universal miller and be inflicted with hated status, doing so multiple times will stack the number of votes on the person, but cannot go lower than (number of non-town alive + 1)

this rule is linked to a player in the game, executing him will disable it, he is aware of it

announcement
The 2 mastinas are dead and a member of
The Kingdom

GODDAMNIT! I totally skipped this post. I only went back to page 1 bc of Gamma's post about Hammerer, and even then I was looking in post 0. I only saw this because I couldn't find anything about it and decided to search for "hated".

So, the game was a night start?? Was it only for scum or do we take "N0 peek claims" seriously?

Almost50 · Post Post #38 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:02 am

Millers always get yeeted on the day before MeLo. Didn't you read the manual before picking your fake claim??

Almost50 · Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:38 am

Dwlee's not a D1 lim anyway, so it's a bit too early to WK them

Almost50 · Post Post #55 (isolation #8) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:41 am

I don't mind being friends with anyone, provided they are loyal to our beloved king.

Almost50 · Post Post #93 (isolation #9) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:29 pm

In post 91, Skybird wrote:Are you sure you are the oldest person here? I think I might have you beat.

Show your hand..

Almost50 · Post Post #109 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:57 pm

How dare you call me insincere?? Mate; I put the SIN in sincerity.

I realized The Kingdom was Town when I read the win con (to eliminate all threats, although I dunno why I'm paraphrasing when a sample PM is on Post 0

Almost50 · Post Post #113 (isolation #11) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:09 pm

Sure, but you need to have enough time for us to hang out in the hydra PT. We don''t necessarily have to talk about the game all the time though.

Almost50 · Post Post #115 (isolation #12) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:15 pm

Almost50 · Post Post #128 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:30 pm

In post 121, Skybird wrote:I think we had this discussion once Almost50 but I can't remember if you or I was older. If you are still on the south side of 50, I've got you beat.

No. Click my name (above my avatar) and you'd see I'm actually over 53 now. I only know of one person older than me on MS. Maybe one other, but I'm not sure on that other one.

Almost50 · Post Post #129 (isolation #14) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:33 pm

In post 124, superbowl9 wrote:You're 10,000 years old? Yeah you got me beat

Good one.

Almost50 · Post Post #133 (isolation #15) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:43 pm

In post 131, Skybird wrote:I'm 57.

*Doubt*

My mother always told me a lady never is over 35, so you are 35 years and 264 months old.

Almost50 · Post Post #134 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:45 pm

So, is this game going to start rolling or are we just socializing here?? (I don't mind the latter because I feel I'm in good company, so I'm just asking)

Almost50 · Post Post #137 (isolation #17) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:09 pm

Would you mind it if it was... you??

Almost50 · Post Post #139 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:43 pm

OK.. let's run a simple test..

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Now you can either vote yourself and see who wants to join the parade, or you can vote me back and start a dual race between us two.

Almost50 · Post Post #141 (isolation #19) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:09 pm

That doesn't move the game though. I want to get things going and you seemed willing. *Sigh*

OK..

VOTE: momrangal

I have no idea why her in particular, but it's as good a random wagon as any.

Almost50 · Post Post #184 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:38 am

In post 160, Gypyx wrote:unwnd replaces pesto if it ain't obvious

Yeah, he jumped right in like a killer.

Seriously though, I'm impressed by his opening posts I might town bin him for now (and live to regret it, of course)

Almost50 · Post Post #185 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:46 am

In post 173, Titus wrote:
In post 31, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hammerer becomes universal miller and hated
Scum could hammer and thus have an excuse for any red checks on them
I get the feeling there's going to be an excuse for a lot of red checks this game, but we'll have a lot of investigatives.

A solution is to assign one player to it all the time. Dwlee (claims a Universal Miller already) or Meg (claims Ascetic) should be the hammerers. Anyone else hammering becomes a major suspect because WHY would you want to be both Hated and a Miller?

Almost50 · Post Post #186 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:48 am

In post 180, Dwlee99 wrote:If no one else has claimed miller and I take all hammers there will be no red checks brushed away

True that

Almost50 · Post Post #188 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:40 am

Okie dokie.. so you can be protected, jailed, tracked.. etc?

Almost50 · Post Post #193 (isolation #24) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:12 pm

In post 190, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 188, Almost50 wrote:Okie dokie.. so you can be protected, jailed, tracked.. etc?
I don't think I can be tracked. Either way I can't visit.

Not exactly my point, but thanks for the response.

Almost50 · Post Post #207 (isolation #25) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:17 pm

In post 201, Gamma Emerald wrote:The only read I feel confident in rn is Yuki!town

Any particular reason?

Almost50 · Post Post #209 (isolation #26) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:19 pm

In post 202, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 199, Dwlee99 wrote:Going straight to post restriction is weird
Sorry, I should say that post restrictions for this game seem likely, or at least would not surprise me. I was not trying to say I thought Titus had one specifically.

I thought AI stood for Artificial Intelligence. Since post restrictions are utterly stupid; I doubt it.

Almost50 · Post Post #235 (isolation #27) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:55 am

You want a full read list after less than 10 pages?? OK.. let me go fetch my crystal ball.

Almost50 · Post Post #238 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:07 am

@Mod: Any updates on Taroumaru? Like, is that getting prodded/replaced?

@Gamma: My crystal ball tells me had an impression on it when he replaced in, but it's nothing carved in stone. It also says you're a town lean (but I suspect that's it sucking up to you)

Others? Not enough content to even have a gut read on any of them. This game is dead and we are likely to get a deadline mislim on D1, so I am already considering campaigning for a NO LIM if things stay the same. (Seriously, 10 pages in 78 hours? SEVEN players posted LESS than the mod??)

Almost50 · Post Post #240 (isolation #29) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:07 am

Speak of the devil!

Almost50 · Post Post #244 (isolation #30) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:16 am

In post 241, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Almost50
Tell your crystal ball it’s fired.

No U

Almost50 · Post Post #247 (isolation #31) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:20 am

Oh, I genuinely forgot my most genuine read of all: The 2 mastinas are IC level Town to me.

They don't even need to post for me to know that.

Almost50 · Post Post #251 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:31 am

Spoiler: A FULL readlist

Game solved. Everyone lives happoly ever after

Almost50 · Post Post #254 (isolation #33) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:37 am

I didn't ask you to. Just please take your shoes off.

Almost50 · Post Post #256 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:43 am

I prefer to be called Jet Jackson, thank you.

Almost50 · Post Post #260 (isolation #35) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:14 am

OK. Here's me trying again to get this game going:

VOTE: KittyTacky

For having posted only thrice, and none of her posts shows any sign of "game solving". Feel free to join the parade if you agree

Almost50 · Post Post #264 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:52 am

Vote Kitty.. see if he still does

P-edit:

I'm on fire. I can "think it" and people just do it.

Second edit: Just do it, unwnd

Almost50 · Post Post #270 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:07 am

"might be" is right. I.e. I am far from "certain", but I have a lean towards it being the case. Abd besides, we're not going anywhere sitting still and waiting for something to happen. If you want the game to move you need to do it yourself.

Almost50 · Post Post #314 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:08 pm

In post 283, Yuki Takeya wrote:
In post 282, Gamma Emerald wrote:What dog then?
D E N I A L

What about it?

Almost50 · Post Post #315 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:13 pm

Not the best outcome, but still.. if we vote the least contributing player wwe force them to either post or replace out, and -hopefully- the new replacement can contribute more. THis game is WEIRD.

VOTE: momrangal

Almost50 · Post Post #354 (isolation #40) » Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:30 am

No. Like I said; she's "Feasibly Town".

Almost50 · Post Post #379 (isolation #41) » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:08 pm

In post 355, Gamma Emerald wrote:It feels like she’s picking up on a little of the same idea I’m getting wrt unwnd and how I’m reading him
Tho I’d love to hear more about how I seem off, because she’s probably right in some regard but I wanna know if that’s what she’s thinking

Mate, I was first to state unwnd is Town o me.

Almost50 · Post Post #380 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:10 pm

In post 366, Titus wrote:Kitty and unwnd are good votes

unwnd is Town. Kitty is being replaced.

Almost50 · Post Post #424 (isolation #43) » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:50 pm

I suggest we save the mod (and ourselves) the trouble and pack more votes on the Momragnal & KittyTacky slots. If someone is posting one (or all) will have a chance to look into their posts and votes to get a read on them. Slots that don't post are IMPOSSIBLE to read, so we need to either make them post or remove them early (so we all know where we stand, rather than have them around when it's riskier to eliminate a townie by mistake).

@MOD: Meg appears to be voting BOTH Mom & Kitty. Is this correct?

Almost50 · Post Post #434 (isolation #44) » Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:43 am

In post 431, Skybird wrote:A50, I understand what you are saying in post 424 but it bugs me. Do you want to vote Mom and Kitty just to save the mod some trouble or do you have an alternative motif?

I have nothing else against Kitty tbh. Mom however is another story. This game opened on September 20 (check Yuki's 1st post). Mom contributed 5 posts since, none of which I'd call a good post. OK.. to save me a lot of tricky talk that could have me step on the wrong side of the rules.. have a look:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php? ... 0&sr=posts

I mean I think the worms problem is real, but what of the time between this game started and she found out about the dogs problem?

But yeah, activity is key for both. We can't afford 2 inactive slots because that would hinder our abilities to wagon someone we suspect is scum, so even if they're Town they're dead weight, and I'd rather get rid of them sooner than later (I hope there's a Vig out there, so we can treat D2 as if it was D1 in a 15-players game and move on)

Almost50 · Post Post #442 (isolation #45) » Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:07 am

@Dwlee: Say what now?? You're gonna quit the scum team after I had applied to it and YOU accepted me???? BACKSTABBER!

Almost50 · Post Post #488 (isolation #46) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:35 am

In post 472, Kop wrote:FYI. I have replaced Kitty.

As if I needed more confusion.

Almost50 · Post Post #511 (isolation #47) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:55 am

In post 495, Taroumaru wrote:
In post 482, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Taroumaru who do you townread at this current moment?
The only townreads so to speak that I have right now is You,unwnd(Really like dhis back and forth with RR and I honestly think RR might be scum here cause of it) and of course my owner Yuki <3

Not bad for an initial start. I don't necessarily agree on all (and I may have others to include as TRs) but this doesn't scream bad fro me at all.

Almost50 · Post Post #512 (isolation #48) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:09 am

In post 496, Taroumaru wrote:I am honestly kinda meh on everyone else at the moment mostly a bunch of nulls

Did you miss I was an

IC

?? Or did you mean to provide reads only about nonconfirmed slots?

Almost50 · Post Post #513 (isolation #49) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:10 am

In post 500, Dwlee99 wrote:That was actually when I was voting mom? I think? Now I'm voting skybird.

So, who are you voting??

Almost50 · Post Post #514 (isolation #50) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:18 am

In post 505, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Radical Rat
Not entirely enthused by Kop’s posting but I’ll give him some space for now

In post 506, Yuki Takeya wrote:VOTE: Radical Rat

In post 507, unwnd wrote:I sheep

VOTE: Radical Rat

Shit I guess I'm scummy too

VOTE: Radical Rat

Meeeaaaaaw!

Erm.. I mean.. arf arf

Almost50 · Post Post #516 (isolation #51) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:29 am

In post 515, Dwlee99 wrote:You troll

FINALLY someone can read me with some precision.

Almost50 · Post Post #541 (isolation #52) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:21 am

In post 540, Dwlee99 wrote:Thinking

Do you mean the king is slim? Is that bad?

Almost50 · Post Post #543 (isolation #53) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:50 am

In post 542, Dwlee99 wrote:A50 who is the scum?

?? Are you implying there's only ONE??

Almost50 · Post Post #545 (isolation #54) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:09 am

You said "is" (singular) followed by "the" (definitive), so it's not a hypothetical interpretation. It's a literal translation if you will.

If you had said "Who is Scum?" (dropping the "the") it implies a "wild card" so "numerous names" can be used.

If you had said "Who ARE the Scum?" you would have been asking about a group by definition.

But "Who

is the

.." certainly implies a single person.

Now, why do you think I'd know who is Scum already? (aside from us sharing a PT, that is)

Almost50 · Post Post #547 (isolation #55) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:22 am

Where did you get that I have no reads? You asked me who the SCUM are, and I said I don't know. You didn't ask about my TOWN reads, of which I have many.

By play unwnd & Skybird are strong TRs to me.

Gamma is a strong enough but as strong as the two forementioned.

Meg is a Town Lean, and so are you (but only due to your claim if I'm being candid). I also have NDmath in this category but I forgot why that is.

I am still not cpmfprtable with either of Mon or Kop slots, but my push on them has been rebuked and I kind of felt disappointed as that stopped the game from progressing OMHO. They didn't need to actually get eliminated, but I thought some genuine real pressure on either could have given the game a good push forward. Now I'm just watching things develpp naturally and waiting for the day to end so I can start connecting dots.

Anything else you wnna ask? Fell free to shoot .. just as long as you try your best to make it specific, if you please.

Almost50 · Post Post #549 (isolation #56) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:28 am

Yeah, I would prefer one of the two, but anyone not mentioned above will do at this point

Almost50 · Post Post #551 (isolation #57) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:35 am

Maybe we don't, but I don't have a reason to think he's Town either. That's why I didn't mention him in my TRs, yet didn't ask for his head specifically.

Almost50 · Post Post #602 (isolation #58) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:14 am

In post 569, Titus wrote:1. Almost50 - Town
2. NDmath - Lean Town
3. Dwlee99 - Town
5. Yuki - Lean Scum
6. Taroumaru - GTMH town would elim
7. Aristophanes - Lean Scum
8. Gamma Emerald - Lean Town
9. Skybird - Strong town lean
10. Momrangal - Wait on replacement
11. Superbowl9 - Need more
12. Titus - Pathetic town
13. Pesto - Who?
14. Radical Rat - Ok with elim to see if town is going in the right direction but not my favorite
15. KittyTacky - Lean Scum
16. Dragon Of The West - Lean Scum

There's a "Meg" missing @17

Almost50 · Post Post #603 (isolation #59) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:25 am

In post 592, Dwlee99 wrote:Mom!slot is town

Since you were interested in my reads, you may add Titus & Tarou to my Town Leans

Almost50 · Post Post #604 (isolation #60) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:25 am

Also, WHY?

Almost50 · Post Post #606 (isolation #61) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:29 am

I explained it in 434

Almost50 · Post Post #609 (isolation #62) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:42 am

I mean.. I'll yield for now, but I'll probably hate you if you flip Scum and make me look like a jerk.

UNVOTE:

Almost50 · Post Post #619 (isolation #63) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:58 am

In post 610, Pesto wrote:[REDACTED]

Gypyx note : he wasn't supposed to still be able to post, please don't discuss the previous content of this post

PM me the content of the post for me to be able to commit. I can't willingly choose to "not discuss" something I am nit aware of to begin with

Almost50 · Post Post #655 (isolation #64) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:10 pm

Looks like the following spell works for a Scum lim.. wait for it

Almost50 · Post Post #656 (isolation #65) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:10 pm

That's word, we pray (pray, pray)
We got to pray
Just to make it today

Almost50 · Post Post #662 (isolation #66) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:01 am

I am not going to vote Ari. It's true I don't have a read on him, but Sky is right.. offering to claim is + for him. Also the 2 mastinas TR him, so I am not going to go against that on D1.

What are the available alternatives? The mastinas have Kop/STD/DotW as their lim pool for today? I have just unvoted STD and it doesn't make sense for me to revote the same guy who talked me out of it the first time (not saying I am convinced he's Town, but let's see what he has to offer). So, Kop of DotW for me (DotW has pocketed me already, so likely Kop, but I am still open for suggestions if supported by good arguments)

Almost50 · Post Post #663 (isolation #67) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:02 am

Oh, and the definition of a good argument is: Does NOT include the words/expressions "I feel" or "it looks like" or the like.

Almost50 · Post Post #694 (isolation #68) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:57 pm

In post 667, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 663, Almost50 wrote:Oh, and the definition of a good argument is: Does NOT include the words/expressions "I feel" or "it looks like" or the like.
It's Day 1, what else do expect to have beyond looks and feelings?

Something like "on a previous game they did so and so and they were scum, but they didn't do that in another game where they were town" would be a good example.

Almost50 · Post Post #696 (isolation #69) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:03 pm

In post 668, Gypyx wrote:Aristophanes (6) : Dragon Of The West ; Save The Dragons ; unwnd ; Radical Rat ; Gamma Emerald ; Titus

Note the composition of this wagon: first 2 are in mastina's SCUM pool. 3rd & 4th are in their NULLS. Only Gamma & Titus are TRs, which looks to me like Town giving into a deadline lim. I don't like it.

VOTE: Kop

At least I TR both voters here, and Titus has him as a Scum lean as well.

Almost50 · Post Post #700 (isolation #70) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:10 pm

In post 686, Kop wrote:Before this wagon even starts on me, I can prove my role and I can prove its town.

FFS!

UNVOTE:

I don't know WHOM TO VOTE anymore. I have MANY that I do NOT want to lim, but I don't have a single slot that I feel confident eliminating.

P.S. Everyone's a PR. The question is whether they are TOWN.

Almost50 · Post Post #702 (isolation #71) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:12 pm

@RR: Let's assume you are Town. Would you rather kill s Townie over No Lim?

Almost50 · Post Post #704 (isolation #72) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:24 pm

OK..

VOTE: Radical Rat

Almost50 · Post Post #723 (isolation #73) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:12 am

In post 710, Skybird wrote:How does everyone feel about the SB9 slot? I could vote there or RR.

My limited experience tells me a slot that's going to get replaced doesn't get eliminated here. Please vote RR.

I was specific. I asked if he would rather kill a townie over a No Lim

assuming he was Town himself

, and his answer confirmed it was the case. He asserted that in a follow up post, so assuming he is Town he should have no problem being the yeet of the day.

The reason it's a better lim than -say- Ari is I don't TR RR, mastina doesn't TR him, Titus doesn't TR him, but STD (a major suspect for both me and the mastinas, and a null for Titus) actually does TR him. It's a test for how good our collective reads are, and it removes a slot that's obviously hard to read.

Ari not only can prove his role, but we can deduce his alignment through his picks and use of them. That -obviously- includes RR's ability(ies) tonight, so we lose nothing.

Almost50 · Post Post #724 (isolation #74) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:13 am

In post 715, Save The Dragons wrote:i think ari's role could easily be a scum role. rather keep my vote there than vote RR

As I said, Ari can use RR's ability, and we can better judge him by it. Mechanical route >>>> "I think .. could be" route

Almost50 · Post Post #728 (isolation #75) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:01 am

@Meg:

In post 686, Kop wrote:Before this wagon even starts on me, I can prove my role and I can prove its town.

I don't see why we should yeet this on D1. We can always come back to it on D2. I mean, this is no Normal Game, so we shouldn't fear "Scum 1-shot bla bla"

Almost50 · Post Post #735 (isolation #76) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:55 am

Oh, and I also have a suggestion: Since RR is being cooperative here, I think we should let him self-hammer. That way we don't have a Hated player on D2. I think that's better than having either Dwlee or Meg start the day @ 1 vote already

Opinions?

Almost50 · Post Post #737 (isolation #77) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:59 am

To my understanding; AI doesn't need to use gated roles to balance a setup. We -humans- do because we had already planned to use certain roles and their counters. AI doesn't stick to definite plan so I think it can produce a setup with no gated roles (I mean, everybody's a PR already)

Almost50 · Post Post #740 (isolation #78) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:09 pm

Thank you.

P=edit: Yes.. per corpse. This means he has less shots than there are roles (1 yeet + "at least" 1 NK per cycle). What I meant was no -say- 1-shot Rolecop/Strongman/Ninja etc. You know.. the roles that Scum usually thrive to survive "one more day/night" to use and then become a Goon.

Almost50 · Post Post #745 (isolation #79) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:04 pm

I don't mind a DotW lim if there's enough support to that

Almost50 · Post Post #764 (isolation #80) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:53 pm

In post 751, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 749, NDMath wrote:VOTE: RR
I definitely prefer this to A50.
This is probably the towniest A50 has been in my experience with him; he's been heavily advancing the game, his tone is well-intentioned, and the high activity is also a good sign for him.

@Gamma, What does 'some room' even mean this late into the day phase?
I mean I want to give him another day phase or two because I think he’s not in a great spot to legitimately show his alignment because he’s kinda trapped

He's TOWN. I'm sure of it now (judging by his responses and will to cooperate after being pushed). This is NOT the issue though. If it was up to me I'd go for a NO LIM because not a single slot has "obv!Scum'ed" to me, but the majority of the players -including and spearheaded by RR- think a mislim is better than No Lim, so I was driving the wagon on him on principle (and it did give me the desired outcome of having a read on him).

Now, we have multiple options and not enough time to discuss and evaluate them all.

1) Go ahead with the RR lim. The most precious advantage is he's willing to self-hammer, so no Hated slot on D2
2) Switch to DotW. I'm cool with that, but what if another "I'm Town and I can prove it"?
3) Go for Titus. She already said she wanted to be eliminated, but I wanted her alive to -at least- try to VCA on D3
4) This may come to you as a surprise, but I myself wouldn't mind going if the likes of Gamma are going to misread my intentions. If Gamma can't tell this is 100% Town!me he's either scum or I have no place in this game.

Almost50 · Post Post #765 (isolation #81) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:54 pm

In post 753, Aristophanes wrote:Also I don't think a Rad Rad Lim is the right call here.

Also I echo the take that a tow lim is better than a no lim as it at least gives us info!

These two statements do not align with each other.

Almost50 · Post Post #766 (isolation #82) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:57 pm

In post 760, Radical Rat wrote:I reread my role in preparation for potentially needing to claim, and it turns out I'd misread it before.

I am no longer okay dying and letting Ari have it. I mean, not to specifically keep it away from Ari, just that dying makes it lose a lot more of its utility than I had initially thought.

I'm not willing to elaborate further on this, but yeah, I'm a lot less willing to accept my fate now.

And I take back everything I said in 764.

Almost50 · Post Post #769 (isolation #83) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:54 pm

As I said, we don't -and I mean Town collectively- have the time to discuss all options (this is what happens when you spend several days doing nothing at the start of the game). The thing now is I have several slots I won't touch because I TR, and some others that will resolve themselves within 2 cycles. I have only 3 slots left (if we exclude RR) to vote: Yuki, DotW or superbowl slot. I doubt we have the time to wagon Yuki, and I doubt even more superbowl will be an acceptable lim. I don't oppose a DotW lim, but -as I said- I expect another claim (of course there's going to be one regardless of whether it true or fake), and we all know someone's going to unvote at that point. So my question is: what next? Do we go ahead and throw DotW to the lions regardless? Or do we try to flash wagon yet another alternative? That's why I laid down the options in 764, and I didn't even include Yuki or sb for fear of hitting a strong PR with 5 minutes left to deadline.

Almost50 · Post Post #770 (isolation #84) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:55 pm

VOTE: Dragon of the West

Let's see how this one goes

Almost50 · Post Post #775 (isolation #85) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:36 pm

I won't ask you to claim your role (although I can't think of a role that's "weaker than a VT"). I am though going to request that you claim the "name" of your role, just out of curiosity.

Almost50 · Post Post #793 (isolation #86) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:17 am

In post 786, Titus wrote:
In post 764, Almost50 wrote:3) Go for Titus. She already said she wanted to be eliminated, but I wanted her alive to -at least- try to VCA on D3
Wrong game

Almost50 · Post Post #814 (isolation #87) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:36 pm

Aris is confirmed a townie to me

Almost50 · Post Post #815 (isolation #88) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:37 pm

Aris is confirmed a townie to me

Almost50 · Post Post #816 (isolation #89) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:37 pm

Aris is confirmed a townie to me

Almost50 · Post Post #817 (isolation #90) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:38 pm

Aris is confirmed a townie to me

Almost50 · Post Post #827 (isolation #91) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:03 pm

And what exactly is the difference?

Almost50 · Post Post #828 (isolation #92) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:04 pm

@Yuki

Almost50 · Post Post #829 (isolation #93) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:13 pm

If there's a Rolecop, please check Dwlee

If there's an Alignment Cop, please check Yuki

This so suspocious

Almost50 · Post Post #832 (isolation #94) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:32 pm

In post 830, Yume wrote:
In post 826, Yuki Takeya wrote:Provided Dwlee will be around to do it before deadline hits, that is.
The difference is that it's the plan. I could be wrong, but didn't Dwlee say he would be the hammerer to avoid scum getting a miller-hated status and thus having an excuse for a red check. Or am I wrong about that?

And if DotW self-hammers; how's that going to give Scum a Miller-Hated status?

Almost50 · Post Post #834 (isolation #95) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:53 pm

That's not the point.

You instructed them not to.

THAT is what doesn't feel right

Almost50 · Post Post #838 (isolation #96) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:11 pm

HE IS the wagonee!! OK.. no need for Cop to check Yuki. She has just confessed to being Scum (with Dwlee and -probably- DotW still)

Almost50 · Post Post #841 (isolation #97) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:16 pm

OIC! My bad then

Almost50 · Post Post #852 (isolation #98) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:31 am

VOTE: DotW

Because I like to troll

Almost50 · Post Post #861 (isolation #99) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:03 am

In post 857, Dwlee99 wrote:A50 you better not be faking this "conftown on Ari" thing

It was the only way to save a strong TR, bro.

Almost50 · Post Post #862 (isolation #100) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:04 am

In post 860, Dragon of the West wrote:I'm pretty sure A50 is scum.

I expect an explicit apology in the dead thread

Almost50 · Post Post #870 (isolation #101) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:12 am

In post 863, Dwlee99 wrote:Did you actually fake it? Jfc I was pretty sure dotw was town and if Ari is scum I'm giving you shit for it forever

Did you think I was a Day Cop or something?

It's just that I do have something that makes me like 95% confident he is Town.

Almost50 · Post Post #871 (isolation #102) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:14 am

In post 865, Dwlee99 wrote:A50 hard claim if you actually have a clear or I'm vote parking you tomorrow

I do NOT have a MOD-CONFRMED result, if that's what you mean by a "clear".

Almost50 · Post Post #875 (isolation #103) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:16 am

In post 867, Dragon of the West wrote:If you're town, I will gladly come apologize. I expect an apology too for you leading my mislim

Mate, you're Macho.. a -ve utility. Ari is a +ve utility. I don't know why you're so upset. I did offer myself -albeit as a last option- to save Ari.

Almost50 · Post Post #877 (isolation #104) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:18 am

In post 873, Dwlee99 wrote:To eliminate DotW who was actually playing and that I had a townread on

I don't care about your reads. As far as I'm concerned you could be scum claiming that Miller BS. I play according to my own reads and strategy, and you should know that by now.

Almost50 · Post Post #879 (isolation #105) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:20 am

In post 876, Dwlee99 wrote:Ari can't even act tonight if dotw has no ability

But he probably will have to choose between two abilities on N2. That is a + in itself

Almost50 · Post Post #880 (isolation #106) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:21 am

In post 878, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea but looks like my read was right

With you shouting I was Scum every other post??

Almost50 · Post Post #886 (isolation #107) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:36 am

In post 885, Dragon of the West wrote:I just think you're scum here

Repeating that again and again won't make it true, my friend. I dunno if the dead thread is spoilered or not, but if it is then you can both know my alignment and judge my reads. Sorry if I didn't get you right, but I think over all my reads coinciding with those of the mastinas and Titus is a good sign

Oh,and @Dwlee: DO you think mastina is playing it solo? Did you forget mollie's in that hydra too?

Almost50 · Post Post #889 (isolation #108) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:47 am

In post 547, Almost50 wrote:Where did you get that I have no reads? You asked me who the SCUM are, and I said I don't know. You didn't ask about my TOWN reads, of which I have many.

By play unwnd & Skybird are strong TRs to me.

Gamma is a strong enough but as strong as the two forementioned.

Meg is a Town Lean, and so are you (but only due to your claim if I'm being candid). I also have NDmath in this category but I forgot why that is.

I am still not cpmfprtable with either of Mon or Kop slots, but my push on them has been rebuked and I kind of felt disappointed as that stopped the game from progressing OMHO. They didn't need to actually get eliminated, but I thought some genuine real pressure on either could have given the game a good push forward. Now I'm just watching things develpp naturally and waiting for the day to end so I can start connecting dots.

Anything else you wnna ask? Fell free to shoot .. just as long as you try your best to make it specific, if you please.

In post 569, Titus wrote:1. Almost50 - Town
2. NDmath - Lean Town
3. Dwlee99 - Town
5. Yuki - Lean Scum
6. Taroumaru - GTMH town would elim
7. Aristophanes - Lean Scum
8. Gamma Emerald - Lean Town
9. Skybird - Strong town lean
10. Momrangal - Wait on replacement
11. Superbowl9 - Need more
12. Titus - Pathetic town
13. Pesto - Who?
14. Radical Rat - Ok with elim to see if town is going in the right direction but not my favorite
15. KittyTacky - Lean Scum
16. Dragon Of The West - Lean Scum

In post 639, the 2 mastinas wrote:
2mDuring DAY, only 1 100-letter'r
2m
T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu
ki

S
ky

sb
9

N

Taro
ND
unw

R
R

S

K T/K
STD
DotW

Evidently I was working on my on reads, but I did find comfort in these two read lists that were both posted AFTER my own.

Almost50 · Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:14 pm

In post 915, Morning Tweet wrote:Also, hi A50

Hi there. Nice to have a pair of new eyes because -in all honesty- I forgot what was going on in this game.

Almost50 · Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:20 pm

In post 921, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:am i going to get carried this game by super tweet

A bear asking to be carried! Hmmm...

Almost50 · Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:23 pm

In post 925, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:let's just catch one bad guy first

there's a really obvious one just on this page

In post 926, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:oh shit that was bad timing for a pagetop yikes

Almost50 · Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:25 pm

In post 932, Dwlee99 wrote:Is anyone wondering why kop died

I could have, if I remembered SHIT! Like, I am getting vague images of what could have been, but I'm never sure it's in THIS game.

Almost50 · Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:29 pm

In post 942, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:imagine doing nka on d2

A lot of deeds can be done on day two. You do agree, don't you?

Almost50 · Post Post #964 (isolation #114) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:04 am

In post 958, Skybird wrote:A50, you voted kop at one point but you never interacted with him. Why?

I thought you said you did some rereading!

It was an activity-based vote iirc.

Almost50 · Post Post #965 (isolation #115) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:11 am

In post 960, Dwlee99 wrote:I still don't know how it would appear

Rolecop gets your ROLE. They're not affected by the Miller part. HOWEVER, it's up to the Mod to choose if they get the "name of the role" (which makes them a "flavour Cop" instead), or the whole Role PM (minus the alignment indicative stuff). USUALLY it's the latter (i.e. They get the description of your Role as you received it in your PM). This -of course- can be replaced by a simple Role name in NORMAL GAMES because a Jailekeeper/Roleblocker/2-shot Vig/Vanilla/MILLER is called just that.

If it was up to me I'd give them the DESCRIPTION so they know how the Role works. Otherwise -as I mentioned earlier) they'd be just a FLAVOUR Cop, and couldn't tell what the name means.

Almost50 · Post Post #966 (isolation #116) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:14 am

In post 963, Aristophanes wrote:Thank you for saying what I was thinking!

OR...

Titus:

"Thank you for thinking what I was saying!"

Almost50 · Post Post #985 (isolation #117) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:40 am

In post 971, Morning Tweet wrote:If mastinamollie are going to be correct about any scumread it has to be Pooky.

Nah! Pooky wouldn't hurt a fly. He's just after the honey.

Almost50 · Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:03 am

In post 982, Morning Tweet wrote:A50 are you willing to bet your Ari read is correct

Yes. Sorcerer of Death is my twin brother (that's a Masons crumb). I also have a N0 clear on him (that's a Cop crumb). I also received a message from him at the start of D1 (that's ne declaring him a Friendly Neighbor), and -on top of it all- I hacked into Gypyx account and saw Ari's PM and it said he won with the Kingdom (that's a cheater's crumb, but I'm willing to retract that one if it's breaking any rules).

Seriously though, do you think Aris can fake a claim like that? Look at that innocent face. Does he look like a good liar to you??

Almost50 · Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:04 am

Besides, Aris is Canadian, and is a patriot, thus loyal to the Queen. (I forgot to put that up there too). I could come up with more if you like.

Almost50 · Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:12 am

In post 983, Morning Tweet wrote:I got the impression he's a town leader

I am. I declared myself this Town Dictator at the start of the game. Granted, my seniority was challenged by Skybird, but I locked her up in a dungeon and used nano-something (it's been a long time since I last watched G.I.Joe: The Rise of The Cobra) to made Zartan look exactly like her and forfeit her claim for the throne.

Happy now?

Almost50 · Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:27 am

In post 986, Morning Tweet wrote:Even if he's never been scum while im town

See? I was gonna use that to defend Pooky right after I was finished with Town-casing Ari. The bear is innocent. I mean, he did trick me into stealing honey for him, but he also protected me from that big snake, helped me escape from King Louie, and even fought against Shere Khan for me.

Almost50 · Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:20 am

Almost50 · Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:30 pm

In post 1006, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:my solve right now is
Spoiler: lolsolve
A50 Morning Tweet Dwlee NDMath Gamma Emerald

I have no intention of actually pushing any of them cuz im lazy af

but I just want this post noted for posterity in case i'm actually right so I can troll postgame about being awesome

1- BACKSTABBER
2- You're actually far off mark
3- BACKSTABBER

Almost50 · Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:41 pm

In post 1007, Morning Tweet wrote:i meant today as in day 2, after 2mastinas had just locktowned A50 and RR for whatever reason bought A50's innocent result the previous day and rather than suspect A50 for it, joined A50 instead.

It's the kind of play that strikes me as very unselfaware (is that the word?). Like to me it doesn't make a lot of sense if you were trying to forge a trajectory of a hard scumread onto A50 -- how do you miss how bogus the innocent result was yesterday and go along with it? I know RR hard scumreads A50 *because* they're coming after him despite it seeming like something that wouldn't happen today.

So that's what i find hard to get from a scum!RR -- why come after A50 who I'm presuming to be town from other's reads and i thought was overwhelmingly TR

The thing is "I think" "it could be" "possibly" RR knew the flip was going to be green and helped still

to do exactly

what he's doing today.

Like.. "OMG.. no time left" should have exempted him from guilt from his own PoV. He thought no one will ask WHY because.. "eh.. deadline"

Now that "some" of the stuff I had on D1 is coming back to me I recall RR volunteered to be the D1 lim then retracted that. He claimed to have misread his own role. Bla bla bla..

VOTE: Radical Rat

This now an informative flip IN ADDITION TO my original SR on RR. If RR flips red I'm going to suspect MT & Dwlee a hell lot more. If RR flips green I think MT should be Town. Not sure about Dwlee

Almost50 · Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:47 pm

In post 1032, Radical Rat wrote:If it weren't so close to deadline, I would have interrogated that further,

I SWEAR I didn't read this post before I voted RR

Almost50 · Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:29 pm

In post 1095, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:we'll pick a time that works for everyone

I will not be available at that particular time.

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:43 am

In post 1128, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1124, Skybird wrote:RR, I do understand your confusion on A50. To me though he was super town through most of day 1. I just don't see him doing all those things as scum.

Pedit: you don't want to do the list dwlee?
"All those things" being.... Nitpicking grammar, shitposting, and making easy pushes on inactive slots?

You forgot "faking an inno and

trying to trick you into eliminating yourself

".

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:14 am

@MT: Sometimes one has to do what one has to do.

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:21 am

In post 1135, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i mean mastina said im scum too and im town

I mean, I'm not psychic and I hardly know how mastina develops her reads (and even less so when it comes to mollie) but I have a sinking feeling they'll have a different read list today/tonight (or whenever they're supposed to intervene next) and that they'll likely have you in their TRs, simply because their initial impressions have been proven wrong so far.

That said, I can still assure you their top TR is spot on (whoever that might be)

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:09 am

In post 1142, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:her top TR spot is usually a scumbag

I'm lookin' high and low
To find a way to make you love me
So won't you please tell me
What can I say to make you love me bear?
What should I do?
What should I be?
What should I say to make you love me?

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:18 am

In post 1151, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok if you're town a50 the next one on the list should be scum

I mean, first list it was Gamma. Second list it was Ari. I still strongly believe Ari to be Town. I can't say I'm sure about Gamma though, but I don't actually SR him either. Or maybe "I have other slots that I ant to flip more" would be more accurate to describe how I feel about Gamma here.

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:27 am

I won't support an Ari lim for at least today. I could explain why but I still feel it could be more beneficial to SCUM if I do so now.

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:48 am

[quote="In post 1176, PookyTheMagicalBear"][/quote]

OK.. here's my BEST ATTEMPT to pocket you yet

Radical Rat
Enchant
Gamma Emerald
Titus
Yuki Takeya
Dwlee99
Taroumaru
Morning Tweet
NDmath
Skybird
Aristophanes
PookyTheMagicalBear
Almost50

Let me know if I need to switch you with myself to achieve that pocket I've been seeking all day long

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:51 am

In post 1177, Radical Rat wrote:1. Almost50
2. Taroumaru
3. Enchant
5. NDMath
6. Skybird
7. Titus
8. Morning Tweet
9. Dwlee99
10. Aristophanes
11. Yuki
12. Gamma Emerald
13. PookyTheMagicalBear
14. Radical Rat

OH! RR beat me to it! Hmmm.. MY POCKET IS FURRY THOUGH. (Not to mention, being a MONKEY

I can

climb that rock and get you the honey. The rat can't help you there.

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:56 am

In post 1184, Morning Tweet wrote:whatever idk if im breaking ur rules but i got a break right now and i feel like playing cause this sounds fun but i need reads

im starting from here:

Almost50 - Town? More likely A50 is scum by himself over Ari being scum that A50 is reading wrong
Radical Rat - Town?
Dwlee99 - Lean-town? (Dwlee seemed flabbergasted that people would think they would fakeclaim miller i guess lol i dont know)
Aristophanes - Town?
PookyTheMagicalBear - Null
NDMath - Who
Skybird - who (just kidding i just dont have an opinion
Titus - who
Yuki - i dont know
Gamma Emerald - where
Taroumaru - who
Enchant - where

and im going to start at the page that i believe someone mentioned to me being good to start at

This is an example of why I changed my mind on the STD slot. MT appears to be genuinely trying to solve, and I don't see an agenda behind her doing so. She's not faking reads that's for sure, and is nit trying to pocket people either.

I do know MT is GOOD at Scum, but sometimes too much paranoia is destructive

FTR, TM is the start of where I won't vote and

won't

hammer if push come to shove and we are a minute away from deadline

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:16 am

In post 1200, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1198, Almost50 wrote:FTR, TM is the start of where I won't vote and won't hammer if push come to shove and we are a minute away from deadline
TM? tomorrow?

Team Mafia

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:15 pm

@Skybird & @NDMath: Please slide Pooky down a couple of notches on your lists. I don't ant to risk the bear's neck in this game of chicken

Thank you

Almost50 · Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:17 pm

In post 1229, Taroumaru wrote:Town Ari is much more engaged always. I might have been away from the game for quite a bit but it seems this ain't changing.

Ari explicitly said he won't be active in the sign ups. He couldn't have foreseen what his role/alignment would be beforehand.

Almost50 · Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:02 am

In post 1239, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1186, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:everyone is going to simulpost
so scum cant manipulate and adjust their rankings

Almost50 wrote:@Skybird & @NDMath: Please slide Pooky down a couple of notches on your lists. I don't ant to risk the bear's neck in this game of chicken Thank you

So you think Scum!Pooky tries to make sure his team doesn't get a shot at manipulating the final results? Or do you think Scum!Me tries to save Town!Pooky who has declared me a suspect (at the very least)? Would you care to make your point clear?

Almost50 · Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:21 am

In post 1245, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:literally nothing was even going on b4 i suggested this shit

.. but the rent?

Spoiler:

Almost50 · Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:39 pm

In post 1281, Titus wrote:
In post 1279, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:*nods sagely*
Oh who

Pooky!

Almost50 · Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:26 am

I fully agree with RR. This A50 guy is ruining the game, and the faster we get rid of him the better.

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:32 am

IMHO, Titus is a better lim than ND, because I don't feel the WIN from her. I do understand the trial/jury thing but she sounds s bit more committed elsewhere still. Not a hill I would die fighting on though.

VOTE: [v/]Titus[/v]

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:40 am

In post 1423, Almost50 wrote:VOTE: [v/]Titus[/v]

VOTE: [Titus

Can't even bloody type!

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:49 am

In post 1427, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 814, Almost50 wrote:
Aris is confirmed a townie
to me

In post 815, Almost50 wrote:
Aris is confirmed a townie
to me

In post 816, Almost50 wrote:
Aris is confirmed a townie
to me

In post 817, Almost50 wrote:
Aris is confirmed a townie
to me

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:51 am

In post 1428, Skybird wrote:But who would you prefer to lim today A50?

Titus or Dwlee. these are the two slots I have nothing going FOR so far.

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:58 am

I don't think he self-hammers

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:11 am

In post 1435, Dwlee99 wrote:We have a big case on ndmath

We do? I haven't been reading tbh. Where is the case?

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:23 am

Oh, OK... let me go ISO ND to try and remember why I TR'd him earlier

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:50 am

@Dwlee & @Titus:

In post 105, NDMath wrote:
In post 93, Almost50 wrote:
In post 91, Skybird wrote:Are you sure you are the oldest person here? I think I might have you beat.
Show your hand..

A50 leantown from this post alone.

Early pocket attempt detected

Result: SUCCESS

In post 147, NDMath wrote:VOTE: momrangal

I will sheep the water mouse.

Given mom was a suspect of mine I found this vote plausible

In post 168, NDMath wrote:
In post 148, superbowl9 wrote:Bad move rubiks cube
I mean I wasn't exactly trying all that hard to make a good one.

This isn't exactly how "Scum trying to make a good impression" responds here (220 is a continuation of that thought)

In post 318, NDMath wrote:
In post 312, Aristophanes wrote:I just read 4 pages and despite the vote changes I don't feel like anything actually happened??

Maybe I should restart reading the game. It feels so preliminary still tho
Do you have a better method of making something out of nothing than shifting around votes?

This also supports the idea that ND is trying to "make things happen" by building wagons for reactions (I don't necessarily approve, but it's the way half of the players on MS choose to play on D1)

In post 381, NDMath wrote:
In post 350, Dwlee99 wrote:Who would y'all dayvig if you had a compulsive one?
Kitty, but def wouldn't want to shoot now.

imo the unwnd/rat interaction looks good for unwnd and meh for rat.

More mindmeld. Remember that my main 2 "pushes" on D1 were mom & Kop? Even NOW I still agree that unwnd (now Pooky) looks much townier than RR still. (I do realize Kitty got replaced by Kop who was then shot at night, which may look iffy, but would scum explicitly state whom they were going to kill this early?)

In post 382, NDMath wrote:I think gamma's light defense of unwnd likely comes from town, just since I'm not sure scum!gamma would write it.

Scumlean on Titus; nothing in her iso catches my eye (which is abnormal even for this early) besides #366.

Again.. even NOW this is still valid. ALL of it.

In post 529, NDMath wrote:I agree that Skybird's scumread on dwlee is weird, but I don't see anything scum-indicative about it. Overall her activity/presence is strong and I townlean their more aggressive/direct approach.

Yet another read we agree on.

In post 749, NDMath wrote:VOTE: RR
I definitely prefer this to A50.

This is probably the towniest A50 has been in my experience with him
; he's been heavily advancing the game, his tone is well-intentioned, and the high activity is also a good sign for him.

@Gamma, What does 'some room' even mean this late into the day phase?

The bolded is a TRUE STATEMENT (or at least I think it is. I didn't check how many games I've played with ND or how they went)

And that was it for D1

On D2 he didn't bother questioning my "D1 stunt" as Dwlee calls it. I would have expected SCUM (side-eyes RR) to make it that

the

subject of the day. What better opportunity to shift all attention off Scum and focus it on a Town player?

I started to lose concentration at about this time. So that's why ND was still TOWN to me (I even FORGOT the details of D1. I just remembered he was a strong TR to me by the end of the day, and the start of D2 confirmed it)

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:05 am

Your experience and mine are so much different than each other then.

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:57 am

At the very least he would have made a "reservation". Like, rather than asserting that I'm still his strongest TR and that my fake inno was a silly thing to come from Scum he could have said something like I still TR him EXCEPT for that bit. "Strongest TR" and "silly to come from Scum" is too much "white knighting" to come from Scum. It's like "I'm never voting there".

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:07 am

They do?? Then why is RR saying it's a scum move and is not looking at anyone else?

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:23 am

I wonder if the mastinas have anything to contribute at this point. I'm still wiling to follow their lead on this one

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:54 am

Why? Did they post an update today?

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:19 am

In post 1462, NDMath wrote:@A50, What's your read on Yuki? You've been voting with them a lot and I'm confused why you sheeped them here to vote Titus.

I am NOT sheeping anyone today (except the 2mastinas IF they show up). I saw yours as the leading wagon, and Titus was the runner up, so I made a choice based on my reads on both slots.

Now as for my read on Yuki, it's a very weak Town lean. Like very very weak. Just above Null by less than an inch

Almost50 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:22 am

In post 1466, Titus wrote:A50, explain 1191 if NDMath is such a strong TR. Do you strongly TR everyone above NDMath too?

You mean UNDER, don't you? because that list was compiled with the

least wanted lims

bottom and most preferred atop (as per Pooky's request). Surely you didn't think I wanted to lim myself, did you?

Almost50 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:08 am

Did we get a replacement to Ari yet?

Almost50 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:19 am

So, a slot that's become a pivotal point of the discussion is empty, and we don't even know if our IC-trump can/will post today. I also believe Pooky's extended ultimatum has expired. We need at least one (preferably all 3) of these matters resolved. I dunno if I can even ASK about the IC, as I don't think the mod will answer me about someone else's role.

Almost50 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:19 pm

In post 1506, NDMath wrote:VOTE: Pooky
ISO is half a poor attempt at running a GtH with IioA on results, and most of the rest is fluff.

I'd forget everything I said all game and vote YOU for this one.

Almost50 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:11 am

WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING?

Do you or don't you

believe ND's claim? If you do,

why are you voting his clear?

If you don't. why are you moving off him??

This post was initially supposed to be addressing MT, but I saw a bunch of players sheeping her unto Tarou. What the fuck is your rational there?

Almost50 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:25 am

OK.. not a HARD clear, bur still a CLEAR. Why not tackle another slot that has NOT been checked at all? Why is it hard for you to voter Titus? Or Enchant for that matter? Still: What's the rational there?

(Let me give you an example: A Tracker says X didn't go anywhere last night. That's OBVIOUSLY not a "hard clear", but why do we vote off X on that same day still?

Almost50 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:51 am

Maybe you can, but will you?

Almost50 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:47 pm

In post 1633, Morning Tweet wrote:if A50 is scum

Starting with a false premise often leads to a false conclusion.

If you're Town (and I think you are); try solving the game with the premise that I'm TOWN and try to see things my way. Like, I never said Tarou was 100% a Townie. I said he is less likely to be Scum given the result of ND on him. Not the optimal choice for a lim today.

As for "Dark Magic" I have no idea what that is, but I saw the phrase "controlled by Scum" and assumed it's a SCUM ability. I didn't think Ari's role would count as "Dark Magic" because -in my mind- Dark Magic should have a -ve effect on the victim, and Ari's targets would be already dead.

I also was DEAD SERIOUS I wanted to wait until the 2mastinas posted because -when I'm so confused myself- I like to see how a

confirmed Town slot

sees the game.

Oh, and whoever said the mastinas not being able to interact with us is bad is making a faulty generalization. I -for example- have BETTER reads when I'm not involved in the game. I sometimes like to replace into a large on D3/D4 and usually have a much better view because I didn't get affected by the -ve feelings of -say- being SR'd for bad reasons. I also get the flips of the previous Days & Nights, but I guess the mastinas are "semi-involved" in the sense they did read up from the beginning without the flips.

Anyway, I am just babbling.. do as you wish

Almost50 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:53 pm

@Tarou: Would you kindly FULL CLAIM so we can move on (and make use of the frozen deadline)? Consider this my declaration of INTENT if you must

Almost50 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:41 am

In post 1650, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Dwlee you may wanna unvote just for now

No!

WAIT! I'm not Dwlee. I'm not currently voting Tarou either. Carry on

Almost50 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:26 am

I am not putting Tarou E-1 before they claim.

Almost50 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:45 am

I can't answer the "why mastina TRs me" part, but my guess is either my tone, my involvement, or that nothing I posted was agenda'y. The reason isn't as important as the fact itself, and the fact is I'm town, so deal with it if you want to solve the game. Scum are going to have to kill me sooner or later, y'know, so that's one slot you need not worry about.

Almost50 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:27 pm

Turn around
Look at what you see
In her face
The mirror of your dreams
Make believe I'm everywhere
Given in the light
Written on the pages
Is the answer to a never ending story
Ah
Reach the stars
Fly a fantasy
Dream a dream
And what you see will be
Rhymes that keep their secrets
Will unfold behind the clouds
And there upon a rainbow
Is the answer to a never ending story
Ah
Story
Ah
Show no fear
For she may fade away
In your hand
The birth of a new day
Rhymes that keep their secrets
Will unfold behind the clouds
And there upon a rainbow
Is the answer to a never ending story
Ah
Never ending story
Ah
Never ending story
Ah
Never ending story
Ah

Almost50 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:29 pm

Funny fact: Sometimes I just post lyrics out of boredom, and Scum -somehow- think I'm crumbing my role and shoot me.

Well, at least I don't need to worry about that in this game because everyone's a PR so crumb or no crumb I should eat a bullet sooner or later.

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:20 am

In post 1690, Gypyx wrote:the worst replaces aristophanes

<3 <3 <3

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:19 am

I can't believe people are not seeing RR as SCUM. If I was their partner I'd have power-bus'ed them already.

Who wants to take bets RR is

the

Scum that uses "Dark Magic"??

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:20 am

VOTE: RR

Just in case I moved my vote elsewhere (I honestly can't remember, and I won't be bothered ISO'ing myself)

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:17 am

literally read 1702 above

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:46 am

Entertain me...

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:22 am

1- I don't see a "solid" chance, but "a chance" does exist. There's also a chance ND is Town.
2- Using tw's role on you is suboptimal. Like, if this is an "anything goes" kind of setup, what makes you think a Redirector or a Roleblocker doesn't exist? How do I know you're not a Commuter, Ascetic, or Scum with a Rolestopper on your team?
3- Assuming the morning comes and we do get results, it does not clear you from potentially being Scum still. People may also still want tw's head (because we want to to prove his result is true.. the same result that is inconclusive about your alignment).

Like, I could be wrong, and ND could flip red. You could be Town. tw could be Scum and I could be the mist stupid player on MS. I'm just using probabilities here, and I think it's more likely ND is Town aligned... BUT..

Let me entertain your theory of him being Scum from one faction assigned to find a member (or more) from the other faction.. why would you want to intervene in the war between Scums? Why can't we wait for ND to find that "other Scum" OR let the other Scum shoot him?

And while I was about to submit it hit me: The sign-ups thread had something mentioning non-SK 3P, so it hit me that there might be an SK (meaning the second kill was done by them most probably). Why can't

that SK

be

the one role

ND is assigned to find? In effect, ND is an FBI Agent looking for the SK in the setup, and the rest is mere flavour.

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:32 am

I dunno how you got gem to be a reference to yourself. I thought it was an substitution for TOWN (as the link opens). I dunno why that is though because I count only 59 characters

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:49 am

In post 1739, the worst wrote:
In post 1717, Radical Rat wrote:1. If I'm magical scum, NDMath still has a very solid chance of being the other scumteam, as per 1702. So we eliminate him today.
2. The worst uses his necromancy powers to use NDMath's role on me, confirming me to not use dark magic. Any protective abilities, of which at least one is likely to exist, protect him during this process.
3. The morning comes and the results are revealed.
A50, MT, Titus, thoughts on this?

I wish you didn't ask me. If I say yes I am going against everything I said before. If I say no I'd look like I'm conf!biased. You do as you wish.

I am still against eliminating NDMath in pronciple though, and I sure am not going to vote him.

Almost50 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:50 am

In post 1741, Yuki Takeya wrote:Hi.

Do you have reads?

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:56 am

In post 1749, the worst wrote:i think RR is town just like, from a general energy read

I'm willing to accept the view of a pair of fresh eyes here. Now where do I vote? Titus? Enchant? Who?

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:19 am

In post 1797, Taroumaru wrote:Almost is also looking scummy in there, with being off wagon but being the one threatening to hammer.

Doesn't anybody speak English on this site anymore? Does anyone play MAFIA on this site still?

I gave intent to speed up your claim SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON. I never intended to actually vote you and I EXPLCITLY questioned the notion of elimination someone who has just been soft-cleared by an Investigative.

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:20 am

In post 1816, Gypyx wrote:
votecount 2.9
NDmath (4) :
Titus ; Radical Rat ; Almost50 ; Morning Tweet

Taroumaru (3) :
Skybird ; Gamma Emerald ; PookyTheMagicalBear

Titus (1) :
Yuki Takeya

The Worst (1) :
Taroumaru

Yuki Takeya (1) :
NDmath

Dwlee99 (1) :

Hated

Not Voting (3) : Aristophanes ; Enchant ; Dwlee99

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-10-30 07:57:25), it takes 7 votes to execute someone

@MOD: When did I ever vote NDMath?

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:34 am

In post 1831, Morning Tweet wrote:I havent seen a single good reason to refute the "NDMath's claim doesnt help him cause prolly multiball so let's look at the rest of his play oh it's scummy lets lim there then" mindset

ND's claim is the only saving grace he has in my mind

If his play was so scummy how come (A) He wasn't a major contender for the lim on D1, and (B) I NEVER voted him at any point of the game?

I'm on the verge of considering migration from this site altogether because most of you (even the ones that "used to be" good) are playing the game as a mere guessing game. In my view, MAFIA is less a game of intuition and more a game of deduction. USE YOUR HEAD NOT YOUR HEART. Use probability, use mechanics.. etc. But all you ever do nowadays is "feels, looks, sounds".

I concede I could be wrong on "most" of my reads. I will not accept the reasoning introduced though. For example: "MAYBE" Multiball isn't a good reason AT ALL. Because MAYBE NOT???

Also, I've laid down that IF HYPOTHETICALLY it IS MB, ND could still be Town. And EVEN OF SCUM IN MB the better play is to let the other Scum team take care of him.

NDMATH & TAROU ARE OFF THE TABLE FOR TODAY.

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:37 am

Spoiler: Posting this for no reason at all

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:38 am

Actually I just might..

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:38 am

Grab a PAGETOP

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:38 am

In post 1851, Radical Rat wrote:So who is scum then? And what sort of ironclad logical evidence do you have?

Scum is who Scum is, and I have SOLID PROOF: Look at their flip when Mod posts it.

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:22 am

If you flip a monkey you will

always

end up with a red ass in your face!

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:45 am

I thought you joined the game to play WITH me. You just can't do that if you lim me.

Almost50 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:02 am

Under most conditions I'd call Gamma's vote on me a scum claim, but in this game I can see it coming from apathetic town. I mean, it's not "more likely" so, bur let me be generous and say it's 50-50

Carry on..

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:15 am

In post 1926, Skybird wrote:I think ND probably used Ari's to base his claim from.

Enchant, the way I am reading ND's win con is there are two groups in the game and he would have won if one person from each group was executed. I believe the two groups are kingdom and scum faction. The fact that we only had one kill last night means we had a serial killer and a scum faction. We executed the serial killer, hence only one night kill.

It's surprising how eaveryone reaches a different conclusion from the same Role PM! Like, where does it say ND had any killing abilities? He was a Condemner... a double-condemner if you will, and to make up for him needing not one but two eliminations to win he was given an alternative to each, so rather than the simple "eliminate A and walk out a winner" or the more complicated "Eliminate A & B to walk out a winner" he was given the choice to eliminate EITHER A or B And EITHER C OR D. And to help him out he could hand out a BP vest to someone who helps him out once.

What interests me more is WHO his "pool of targets" were. I reread his ISO and thought RR, Enchant, Yuki, MT & Pooky would probably contain all 4 "redacted names".

I also don't believe the pairs had to be from the same faction. They could have been, or it could have been 1 Town & 1 Scum for each pair. Even more, if we are in multi-ball it could have been Town+Faction A for one pair and Town+Faction B for the other. Like, who can tell?

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:56 am

@RR:

In post 1223, NDMath wrote:1. RadicalRat
2. Enchant
3. PookyTheMagicalBear
4. Yuki
5. Titus
6. Gamma Emerald
7. Aristophanes
8. Dwlee99
9. Taroumaru
10. Morning Tweet
11. Skybird
12. Almost50
13. NDMath

In post 1176, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ive used this shit before its awesome
I'm inherently skeptical of gth lists from homesite experiences but probably will be interesting.

This list alone tells me Ari wasn't one of the 4 names on ND's execution list. Add the fact that ND never voted Ari (even when Ari came so close to being eliminated on D1) and never really pushed him either (the closest he got to that was "I don't really TR Ari BUT..." and I think it's evident (at least to me) that Ari wasn't one of ND's targets.

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:57 am

And..

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:57 am

SMUG PAGETOP GRAB

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:20 am

In post 1961, the 2 mastinas wrote:Almost50: What are your thoughts right now?

Pooky is still TOWN to me. I suspect Gamma "may" be Scum, but I'm not confident there.

I dunno what to make of Titus play anymore. She used the iguana thing to crumb a TA in a recent game, but I can't see a place for one in this setup.

In short, Gamma/Titus/Yuki/Enchant/Dwlee/the worst are my PoE. I had TR'd Ari for something minor that may no longer be considered a valid reason to TR him, and tw didn't give me enough of the "good stuff" so far.

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:22 am

In post 1965, the 2 mastinas wrote:
In post 1931, Dwlee99 wrote:Nothing in NDMath's win con says the alignments of those people

Also I want to know if anyone went to RR's party

I don't even know what that party refers to, but I had nothing to do with RR.

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:25 am

In post 1968, Morning Tweet wrote:i wonder why he didn't fakeclaim a guilty, though?

That would've been a risky move for the first lim. He could have used that to get the 2nd lim though, which is why I discarded DotW as a possible name of the 4 on ND's list

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:31 am

No. She's doing it to spite me.

Almost50 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:52 am

In post 1988, Enchant wrote:VOTE: Pooky

VOTE: Enchant

Let's play. FYI, I was considering joining you on Yuki, but you managed to "win my trust" with that vote, so I'm going to join your campaign and vote you for a seat in the congress of dead players.