AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

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sup i havent read shit but im town

hi pookie !

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Also, hi A50, hi Dwlee! hi Gamma! hi Enchant, and hi Titus!

i am here as a pinch replacement more or less but i'll see what i can do

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did u roll red tweetie

yes

im colourblind and stupid and it's written not how i word town's wincon so it confused me

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question: did we (or our slots) decide our role names or were they determined randomly, i cannot tell

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Is there any consensus as to whether or not claiming flavour names is helpful? Probably not but yeah

Is there anything about this setup which has been figured out already. I was kind of thinking the names having a deeper connection to your role might be hard to fake but to be honest I'm probably reaching when i look at my own role

am i going to get carried this game by super tweet

noooo don't get your hopes uppp u cant invoke super tweet

I don't know if i have the capacity to parse through a large theme atm

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pooky do u have a mildly annoyed eevee

like one that conveys a ~10% annoyance level

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thank you

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this is me rn

it's a little aggressive

but that's okay

i can be a little spicy if i want from time to time

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do u have a lead or something

no im just 10% annoyed in general today. Actually during that chain of posts it increased to 15%. Due to unrelated reasons. Ok sorry. I'm going to stop spamming the thread with useless nonsense starting

now

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open question:

should i review D1 (like is it content rich or particularly helpful) or should i go wild and off-the-cuff for this game

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I'm more of the school of thought that the *conclusions* from NKA is just as likely to be neutral or harmful when we don't even know SK/Vig/Groupscum kills definitively and it's also D2

However I do think that you can read players based off of their analysis and that in of itself could make it worthwhile.

So i guess i think either approach is fine in a way. Well I don't think you should let your play be guided by the *conclusions* though.

Hi Pooky and Morning Tweet

heya!!

pedit: i find large themes to be really taxing especially if it's mechanics heavy so i want to be sure it's worth the ffort

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i find Radical Rat towny -- good take or bad take

I'm getting the vibe that there's some mechanical nonsense for A50 being town or at least hard townread by the mastinamollie

If mastinamollie are going to be correct about any scumread it has to be Pooky. Don't really know how reliable that is though

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i do find it sort of amusing that mollie has roughly 8/16 players as scummy

I just think you're scum here

Repeating that again and again won't make it true, my friend. I dunno if the dead thread is spoilered or not, but if it is then you can both know my alignment and judge my reads. Sorry if I didn't get you right, but I think over all my reads coinciding with those of the mastinas and Titus is a good sign

Oh,and @Dwlee: DO you think mastina is playing it solo? Did you forget mollie's in that hydra too?

Idk Mollie's accuracy. I assume regardless of player the reads are less likely to be accurate because they don't have the benefit of interacting in thread like we do. My point is that anyone who decided to kill DotW cause of that reads list needs to be looked at

this could be an interesting talking point

perhaps scum abused the IC's scumreads as something to just sheep and use. I know that's not exactly groundbreaking reasoning but at least im getting somewhere

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Oh A50 faked an inno lol

A50 hard claim if you actually have a clear or I'm vote parking you tomorrow

What do you think about A50 now?

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(Promise im not asking empty questions)

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The backhalf of the wagon is just "Shit we're out of time darn guess we gotta kill Dragon"

Is it accurate to say all the votes on page 34 were forced or was there time or leniency to do something else

Well shit.

I guess DotW then? Bottom of the mastinas' list, and apparently a negative utility role even if they are Town. Seems like a safe lim

VOTE: Dragon of the West

oh

I see now, there was an Ari flash and then A50 singlehandedly pretty much diverted it, makes sense

RR didn't you hard scumread A50? How did you buy that he had a day 0 innocent on the person that just happened to be getting wagoned?

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Also I know hindsight is 2020 but like isn't it extremely convenient to claim a D0 inno on a wagon

Like i could get revealing an inno later in the game after night phases but unless there was a N0 this game, it find it sort of odd that literally no one expressed any disbelief as far as i can tell. and was just like "Ahhh shit guess we gotta got Dragon (shrug emoticon)"

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I almost want to say RR blatantly missing this and then proceeding to keep up the scumread on A50 (despite a locktown from mastinas) is towny for being not even remotely self conscious. Guess it could also be lazy but, does scum!RR realistically expect to get an A50 wagon going?

No, seriously, do they? I don't know how the thread receives A50. I'm under the impression he's townread somewhat well

I'd ask unwnd why the easy switch but i can't.

Pooky why'd unwnd switch to Dragon

i extend that to anyone else who was doing Ari but switched to Dragon at the drop of a hat -- what was going thru your mind at the time?

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i extend that to anyone else who was doing Ari but switched to Dragon at the drop of a hat -- what was going thru your mind at the time?

This sounded like a criticism thats not what i meant

I just meant what was your general thought process

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A50 are you willing to bet your Ari read is correct

What I'm seeing is, Ari is scummy D1 to the point where he's consensus over RR/A50/Dragon, he almost dies, but A50 claims an inno which people EASILY accept and then the 2mastinas having dragon as scum + dragon being

the wicker man

leads to people being like "Ah shit guess we gotta lim Dragon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

Also, how good at scum are you, Ari? (or anyone else) Or is Ari known to be LHF. I've never had the pleasure.

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I’ve been suspicious of him for a decent span of time, but more recently he tried to armtwist RR into support his own elimination

I'm supremely intrigued, but also this sounds genuine.

Honestly, this slot feels very town. RadRat, who is a better lim atm?
What is your A50 and your Gamma read?

A50 Scum, Gamma Town.
A50 is a better lim.

I might be interpreting A50 wrong. I got the impression he's a town leader -- i'd like to hear more about reads on him especially those who interacted with his wagon or the dragon wagon past the innocent claim

i don't think I can read A50 i've misread him in games I spectate and also misread him in the recent game where he posted to main thread like it was the scum chat (Still makes me laugh)

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what if he flavours his honey with the blood of his enemies? then what? i cant put it past him

Even if he's never been scum while im town

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Pooky why'd unwnd switch to Dragon

i ain't psychic lol

Ifi cant ask unwnd then i have to ask SOMEONE

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i am an innocent flower

okay u keep perpetuating that propaganda u sinister bear

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Just missed the pagebottom. solid though

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i meant today as in day 2, after 2mastinas had just locktowned A50 and RR for whatever reason bought A50's innocent result the previous day and rather than suspect A50 for it, joined A50 instead.

It's the kind of play that strikes me as very unselfaware (is that the word?). Like to me it doesn't make a lot of sense if you were trying to forge a trajectory of a hard scumread onto A50 -- how do you miss how bogus the innocent result was yesterday and go along with it? I know RR hard scumreads A50 *because* they're coming after him despite it seeming like something that wouldn't happen today.

So that's what i find hard to get from a scum!RR -- why come after A50 who I'm presuming to be town from other's reads and i thought was overwhelmingly TR

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Pooky your ability to scumread me precisely only when i'm town and saving your very far in between townreads on me for the games where i'm actually scum is an absolute enigma to me

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you scumread me in that ASTRAL ROLES GAME where i was basically spouting useless rhetoric about taking down big group scum (which granted is in character for me but not exactly hard to fake) but every time I actually try to play a game we're at each other's throats continuously

At least while we're alive

it's just bogglig

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you

TOWNREAD**

me in that ASTRAL ROLES GAME where i was basically spouting useless rhetoric about taking down big group scum (which granted is in character for me but not exactly hard to fake) but every time I actually try to play a game we're at each other's throats continuously

At least while we're alive

it's just bogglig

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its because you are special to me

ddawww (/ω＼)

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VOTE: Yuki

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massive IQ play

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killed by my own scumteam too for like basically no reason

My traitor crumbs were so good too

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I KNOW YOU'RE JOKING

neither was I but my point still remains i'm pretty sure you've read the reverse of my alignment almost 100%

You're like the inverse Hectic

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i asked House in dead chat and he was like "Idk the others made me do it" but the others were Ydrasse who wanted me in the game and bloodhail who i've never played with before

So really I'm just left wondering why the hell i died. i may never know

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AFTER WE JUST GOT DONE FORMING OUR POWER TRIO??

There's evil and then there's supervillain levels of evil and that would qualify as the latter

(i am so sorry to everyone for murdering an entire page worth of content. im trying to get my interest up and sparring with Pooky is one of my favourite pastimes)

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Why is A50 scum RR

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how familiar are you with A50?

I do recall someone mentioning trying to get you to elim yourself which is sort of weird play. The faked innocent is also just a strange move but I am yet unsure it implies scummy over just NAI.

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its wild we havent gotten anywhere

maybe all the low thread influence people are baddies

tweetie i need a list

of

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i was planning on being lazy and not reviewing little did i know this game progresses at a rate of 5 posts per day

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spill

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where did you even get that playerlist from

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Isn't one of us Momrangal

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the op has the replacements for me

i am mom u are pesto

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FINE

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1. Almost50
2. NDmath
3. Dwlee99
5. Yuki
6. Taroumaru
7. Aristophanes
8. Gamma Emerald
9. Skybird
10. PookyTheMagicalBear
11. Enchant
12. Titus
13. PookyTheMagicalBear
14. Radical Rat

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if anyone dares call this pointless look at the rate of activity in this game despite there being 14 players alive and tell me we don't need something mildly interesting to do

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1. Almost50
2. NDmath
3. Dwlee99
5. Yuki
6. Taroumaru
7. Aristophanes
8. Gamma Emerald
9. Skybird
10. PookyTheMagicalBear
11. Enchant
12. Titus
13. PookyTheMagicalBear
14. Radical Rat

How did I fuck that up

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1. Almost50
2. NDmath
3. Dwlee99
5. Yuki
6. Taroumaru
7. Aristophanes
8. Gamma Emerald
9. Skybird
10. Morning Tweet
11. Enchant
12. Titus
13. PookyTheMagicalBear
14. Radical Rat

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how do you have a different op from me ????

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oh

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Come on dwlee even i have more reads than that

like, 1 more read to be exact

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2 more reads

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Fuck meta

But also when I was scum with STD in dogs v cats I don't think he walled at all

I have always felt like he plays similarly

so do you find STD's meta scummy or not? You can't have it both ways

I love tweetie though :(

<3

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how familiar are you with A50?

Not very. I think we might have played together once, but it would have been years ago if so.

I'll do the list thing when I get home

Anyway the reason i asked is i have gotten the impression that A50 in all of his years of mafia experience and also due to being a monkey loves to fool around

I am not convinced that him fakeclaiming to get his way is scummy for him rather than NAI

Although yeah it's manipulative and not really something I think is good for town to do, i dont know if A50 would see it the same way

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Especially Titus. You know my main and you know I shitpost as town. You have one chance before I start scumreading you.

Is that why we're voting you? i'm voting you because you're the least town ive noticed out of any wagon and i dont think you've said anything except for this since your rep-in

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Especially Titus. You know my main and you know I shitpost as town. You have one chance before I start scumreading you.

Is that why we're voting you? i'm voting you because you're the least town ive noticed out of any wagon and i dont think you've said anything except for this since your rep-in

since MY rep-in *

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MT's suggestion seems pretty town. But I agree the previous holders of that slot were scummy.

What suggestion?

Also, could you expand on what you personally have found scummy about them, by any chance

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I'm not trying to be mean but if you flip mastina's reads upside down you probably become at least 50% more accurate. I don't blame her considering it's a D1 of a large theme where no one is playing apparently and also there were constant replacements.

But the confidence is just not warranted at all

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Especially Titus. You know my main and you know I shitpost as town. You have one chance before I start scumreading you.

Is that why we're voting you? i'm voting you because you're the least town ive noticed out of any wagon and i dont think you've said anything except for this since your rep-in

You're all voting me because I am shitposting when I do that as town.

What do you do as scum?

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When I get home, i'm gonna find the energy to get at least a placeholder read on every slot because i wanna join in the fun even though i know nothing

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i wouldn't be surprised but at the same time i'm not really convinced that A50 fakeclaiming is any +scum for him.

It's disruptive and manipulative yeah although it also draws attention to him and also if Ari is scum i think A50 would die for that every time so I assume Ari is town if A50 is scum -- and i just don't know if i see the point. At least the extra scum benefit. I could see him doing it for kicks

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So in other words, you goof off as town but play the game seriously as scum. Does anyone have any experience with Yuki to know this is true?

Particularly Titus since Yuki is calling her out for voting her despite not playing in her scum meta, apparently

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Yeah Yuki being aware of it and bringing it up consistently kind of defeats the point of the meta tell

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Yeah Yuki being aware of it and bringing it up consistently kind of defeats the point of the meta tell

unless the meta tell is like a trust tell

i like to not assume that kind of thing

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MT's suggestion seems pretty town. But I agree the previous holders of that slot were scummy.

What suggestion?

Also, could you expand on what you personally have found scummy about them, by any chance

Are you not the one that wants everyone to do a reads list to post at the same time? That's the suggestion I'm talking about.

Mom was null scum for not being around and when here it didn't feel like she was doing anything to solve the game. I don't remember much about StD, tbh.

no i just did the list cause pooky was too lazy to

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There is no way i am going to do extensive meta checking this game someone just give me the answer

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There is no way i am going to do extensive meta checking this game someone just give me the answer

this sounded more aggressive than i was intending

I meant that the amount of effort im putting into this game really isn't that high both due to no time and also there not being much for me to work with to be honest. I don't typically review the metas of other players unless i am seriously trying hard to win late game

i just want to know if shitting around is a halfway decent town indicator for yuki

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So far I've gotten the impression that it might be but not to the point where I should real weight into it. so im waiting for further contributions and not taking the meta into account and im sorry if it's truly the way to your heart yuki

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Enchant is in this game?

Who is Taroumaru?? where is taroumaru?

Do i contract rapid onset amnesia every time i open the thread??

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Can I post the list multiple times pooky and use the last one

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i thought we scratched the simulpost

or do u mean u and i are gonna simulpost

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whatever idk if im breaking ur rules but i got a break right now and i feel like playing cause this sounds fun but i need reads

im starting from here:

Almost50 - Town? More likely A50 is scum by himself over Ari being scum that A50 is reading wrong
Radical Rat - Town?
Dwlee99 - Lean-town? (Dwlee seemed flabbergasted that people would think they would fakeclaim miller i guess lol i dont know)
Aristophanes - Town?
PookyTheMagicalBear - Null
NDMath - Who
Skybird - who (just kidding i just dont have an opinion
Titus - who
Yuki - i dont know
Gamma Emerald - where
Taroumaru - who
Enchant - where

and im going to start at the page that i believe someone mentioned to me being good to start at

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to be fair if everyone just outlines their thought process a little that stops scum from manipulating it a great deal

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PookyTheMagicalBear - Null

hurtful towards me

RarararRararArARArArARAr

^ thats u gettng upset that i dont townread u for doing nothing AI

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Is Gamma just really towny this game i notice multiple high townreads on him so far. Is he having another Radio Buzz

NDMath sheeped someone onto Mom(me) as well as did the same thing on the Dragon wagon, from what i can tell. it looks like he hasn't received any pressure though D1 so far so maybe im off the mark here. Are there reads on ND?

i don't like Skybird's posting on page 19. I lean towards that they're suspecting Dwlee!town and their posting is just really empty. Again though I might have the wrong idea but it seems sort of odd to me

Skybird are you seriously sticking with the "you're scum because you forgot you moved your vote?"

Yes, do you often forget who you are voting for? You seem to be getting pretty upset about this for you to be town.

What does that even mean? is there motivation for skybird to be forcing a scumread on Dwlee here, because it's really strange to me. Looking at the VC though there's no wagon on Dwlee, just Kop so enh

Tarou is cute eeeeeeeeeee

I have no opinion on their posting including the game-related ones. They focus on townreads

I'm happy with my Ari vote I think

Aren't you voting Skybird?

That was actually when I was voting mom? I think? Now I'm voting skybird.

Lol

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VOTE: Radical Rat
Not entirely enthused by Kop’s posting but I’ll give him some space for now

VOTE: Radical Rat

I sheep

VOTE: Radical Rat

Shit I guess I'm scummy too

in my current interpretation of the game RR is town -- granted, it's for their entrance today. I think it isn't terribly scum-motivated to stick to the A50 scumread. Especially given they gave A50 the benefit of the doubt with the innocent yesterday and i would think scum tries to be more consistent than that. I'm not really convinced but it's kind of the best ive got this game.

I have no read on these three slots so it's possible im on the right track. That or scum is just snowing this game due to the entirety of the town being afk. but i don't usually jump to that conclusion first

There also might have been valid reasoning for voting RR at the time or even now, but like these votes dont provide me any context

Warning: bad opinion incoming

I dont really like Kop's entrance all that much

something to note, both unwnd and Meg immediately shot down Kop's replacement, Gamma didn't like it. Dragon/Tarou however did like it. im just noting this for later i guess. I just find it of note that literally the entire thread felt the need to comment on Kop for some reason and im not sure what that reason is

Alright, I'm here, kind of.

Wagon on me feels weird and sudden, but I suppose everyone was already gently suspicious of me, so I'm not sure whether to read into that much...

I think Kop's entrance was pretty good, I don't really see the problem unwnd and Meg have with it? He caught up promptly, and offered reasonable opinions, and is actively engaging. And Kitty hadn't done anything particularly scummy either, just lurking which is usually NAI. So I'm leaning soft Town there.

Skybird's Dwlee push is bad. Skybird's me push was also bad. I'm aware this will probably get called a chainsaw, but well. Can't help what I'm seeing, so.

VOTE: Skybird

I can kind of see where A50's coming from with wanting to remove low content slots early, but I'm wary of that still because going after lurkers is an easy out for scum, and most of his posts seem like fluff and jokes, it's hard for me to really get a solid read in there.

Yuki seems pretty Town, mostly just going by vibes there. Taro is another hard read because of the whole auto sheeping thing. It's a fun gimmick I understand and respect the dedication to, but it makes it hard to judge alignment nonetheless.

And I THINK that's everything that stood out to me.

Yes, yes, yes!

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for the record i am an excellent flier and could definitely get the bear the honey if i wanted to, i just choose not to

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RR do you still think Yuki is town based off of vibes? I notice you give them the benefit of the doubt but do you find it more likely than not?

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VOTE: Radical Rat
Not entirely enthused by Kop’s posting but I’ll give him some space for now

VOTE: Radical Rat

I sheep

VOTE: Radical Rat

Shit I guess I'm scummy too

Wtf is this shit!?

Lol why?

Yes exactly Ari

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FTR, TM is the start of where I won't vote and won't hammer if push come to shove and we are a minute away from deadline

TM? tomorrow?

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Oh wait MT i got you nvm

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I love it when a review confirms what i was already leaning towards, i find that reads are way more accurate when you get the vibes and then you're able to build on them

......that or im confirm biasing myself, but I lean towards that not being the case because i literally had no investment in RR or Ari or Skybird until now and would not have cared even a little if i changed my mind

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mhm mhmmmmmmmm yup

As we all knowing, pooky attempting to solve is far out of his scumrange

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**As we all know

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nnn--nooooooo

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FTR, TM is the start of where I won't vote and won't hammer if push come to shove and we are a minute away from deadline

TM? tomorrow?

Team Mafia :lol: :oops:

Oh, did you see me in that game?

for what it's worth i think it was a pretty stereotypical scum game of mine -- too anxious or not enough willpower to post most of the time so i condensed to small chunks in small time frames, etc etc. maybe it was okay ish but not really particularly strong

that might be the last time i had a (real) scum game come to think of it

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by small chunks i mean the gigantic wall posts where i read the entire game in like 1 post and give IIoA summary on it

idk why i described it as small, my point is that rather than stretch out i tend to bunch up high amounts of content into small intervals

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Lmfao

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UNVOTE:

Will be completing my list tonight

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it is funny but i didnt interpret it as intentional yeah

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im really sick but its ok im powering through

We should!

I'm pretty okay eliminating anyone but Dwlee and Gamma.

Dwlee because we're using them to eat the hammers, and Gamma's pretty obviously Town for me right now.

Everyone else I could go either way on, but I'd prefer either Skybird or A50.

Gamma still obvtown this game to you? I've gotten this impression from multiple places that gamma is out of his scumrange

not particularly swayed by Titus' catchup on 23 -- maybe she voices distaste for the RR wagon knowing it's town. I'm not sure I see the skybird townreads either. The post is within Titus' ability in any case not sure why Gamma townread it

9. Skybird - Strong town lean

Explain this one to me please.

You said earlier she was tonally scummy, but had Town logic. But, to me, both of her pushes were pretty bad, and nothing else has really stood out as feeling Town...

mindmeld theory

This is why I’m voting RR
This and having only me and Dwlee as TRs at one point after expressing town feelings on a number of slots.

???

Is skybird obvious town that RR is shading and i am getting this wrong? open question

this is a nitpick and my opinion is skewed but mastinas calling 585 a wall is really generous, its more like a bunch of tiny posts collected into one. Unless that is scummy for Dragons but i got the impression "high effort dragon = scum" which doesnt exactly seem like the case

Tarou worries me Dwlee is leantown

Lookng at the vc i find myself drawn to the skybird wagon and against RR (obviously). Gamma/Yuki/unwnd/Tarou all on RR - Dwlee and RR on Skybird. Definitely talk to me about skybird -- are they obvious town and im off the mark, or am i on the right track?

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i mean any read can be good incidentally (not saying you're wrong but that doesnt necessarily make it a good tell)

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1. NDMath
2. Taroumaru
3. Enchant
4. Skybird
5. Titus
6. Yuki
7. Gamma Emerald
8. Pooky
9. A50?
10. Ari?
11. Dwlee99
12. Radical Rat
13. Morning Tweet

Looking at it like this though there are a lot of slots i straight up dont know hardly anything about

Again is Enchant actually in this game? Is he gone?

Tarou and ND are both a little below nullscum for me since i found their stances sort of convenient for scum although i obviously only put as much stock in that as i can for a D2 in a game like this.

I feel very good about my bottom few. There's probably like one in the grey area towards the middle. The bottom half of this playerlist is such a hard read that if they're majority town it's going to be impossible for me to figure that out. that's why I'd kill enchant over skybird/titus but probably not for tarou/NDmath, I feel its very likely one or both of them have evil intent.

This isnt my final list but its where im at so far

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Oh and I put the question marks on A50/Ari because it's sort of dependent on my interpretation of A50 being consensus town being correct. Ari I'm a bit more confident on but he's not quite in the tier where id be surprised at a scumflip

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Words here that help people solve...

That's my way of saying I have a blank and I TR everyone posting

what's a blank?

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Oh, and the definition of a good argument is: Does NOT include the words/expressions "I feel" or "it looks like" or the like.

:sweating:

Ari went to X-1 on page 28 and A50 didn't claim a N0 inno then...... how the HELL did everyone buy the innocent when it came later? (I have that correct no?)

Kind of like Skybird switching to Kop from a distaste for the Ari wagon. NDMath sort of egged Dwlee to hammer (692) which i really don't like i think scum probably chills and sees if a hammer happens (assuming Ari is town)

@RR: Let's assume you are Town. Would you rather kill s Townie over No Lim?

Yes. Yes I would.

OK..

VOTE: Radical Rat

LOL that's effed up

Yuki do you still find RR scummy? (And if this question was answered recently I am sorry but i have limited game sense and im reviewing back here tonight so yeah).

votecount 1.12

Radical Rat (4) :

Taroumatu ; Almost50 ; Yuki Takeya ; MegAzumaril

Aristophanes (3) :

Dragon Of The West ; unwnd

Kop (3) :

NDmath ; Skybird ; Gamma Emerald

Almost50 (2) :

superbowl9 ; Radical Rat

Dragon Of The West (1) :

Aristophanes

Skybird (1) :

Kop

Not Voting (2) :

Dwlee99 ; Titus

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-03 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone

I probably would have voted Kop. That looks worse for Tarou better for NDMath (Although to be fair, Kop was town and also NDmath was complacent with an RR hammer). I probably like Skybird/Gamma better, yuki an unwnd worse

Oh Kop claimed his role was easily confirmable i forgot about that. I have no idea who I would have voted, possibly Ari then cause i wouldnt have had access to the info i do now. Hmph. Unwnd is still complacent with RR anyway

Tarou is Yuki obvious town to you?

Can people go back to ari? Seriously, why did that wagon evaporate? I townread DotW and RR here and a50 I thought was town but he's being scummy af now. So either wagon a50 for all the wagoning shenanigans he's been up to or wagon ari and I will hammer either.

Yeah probably this

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Am feeling better about the Ari vote than I was earlier but still would prefer RR.

I'll be back a little before deadline in case nothing's hammered by then but the situation appears it'll be under control.

it doesn't feel like you were particularly concerned which wagon died -- which fits with my idea that most or all were town. Which also makes sense with how most of the game is low impact, i expect scum could get away with leading wagons easier.

Hey we're to the fake Inno on Ari. Originally I was like "okay well scum followed the vote without caring, why?" -- I am thinking it's because there's scum in the voters and both wagons were town. I guess that's not an earth shattering conclusion though but it makes sense given it seems this game is super fucking slow and people can plausibly be like "Whatever we just need to get something thru" without questioning much

I think if there were more town on RR there'd be a "Bullshit no way" response. Or if Ari were town and RR!scum there'd also have been a bullshit no way. But.. there wasn't.

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Oh, like drawing a blank! I see. i would like to provide new jumping points for the game to get started again sometime soon

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I think if there were more town on RR there'd be a "Bullshit no way" response. Or if Ari were town and RR!scum there'd also have been a bullshit no way. But.. there wasn't.

Highlighting this because id love to talk about it

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Dwlee's like the only one who even bothered to argue with A50

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i dont get it

Okay let me elaborate

A50 claims a fake innocent, not the first time Ari is X-1 (like you'd expect from an innocent result), but the second time. It's also a..... N0 innocent that just so happens to be on a D1 wagon. So basically astronomically unlikely. But no one pointed that out and there was just a "Meh" response. If RR were scum and Ari town, I'd have expected that and I wouldnt have blamed anyone for calling it out.

Or, if like there were a ton of town pushing Ari i'd expect like... good townplay to scrutinize. That i'm less sure on though.

Oh there's one flaw with my theory, maybe scum doesnt expect RR to come under fire after Ari wagon dissolves

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the timeline:

RR voters switch to Ari
A50 claims Ari is innocent
RR votes Dragon, there is an existing Dragon wagon

Meh i guess if RR is scum they can get away with it

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i'm trying to derive something useful from how it looks like no one even bothered to question A50's fake innocent. Maybe it was just a deadline scramble and i can't learn anything though

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at least ive skimmed the game once over now

1. NDMath
2. Taroumaru
3. Enchant
4. Skybird
5. Titus
6. Pooky
7. Yuki
8. Gamma Emerald
9. A50?
10. Ari?
11. Dwlee99
12. Radical Rat
13. Morning Tweet

I think if Tarou is scum Yuki is likely town probably vice versa. NDMath I'm fine at top. Enchant isnt here. Skybird i thought was sort of awkward and some of their votes were questionable but i liked others and also they might (?) be obvious town to some

Titus Pooky not really an opinion. Gamma seems highly townread by some although i dont recall much of his posting. and ive gone over the bottom probably enough now

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Also, if 2mastinas have any accuracy this game then MT is scum :(

i have pointed this out you're better inverting the reads list

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Oh also A50 might be scum I'm just leaning against it and also Ari is less of a question mark for me now

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VOTE: NDMath

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Also, if 2mastinas have any accuracy this game then MT is scum :(

Wait i just noticed, why are you taking Pooky as town for granted?

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skimming the 2 mastinas it makes me a little less paranoid of A50 assuming they know how to read him (Which is understandably dubious but i put a lot of weight into obvtown reads). Which also leads me to believe Ari town

They probably have ~one of Titus/Sky wrong.

No idea why any of their nulltown are there and they dont give any insight as to why

their null/nullscum is good with the exception of Dwlee who i'd need a lot of elaboration on "their play doesnt line up with claim". I am not sure what that means.

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Let's go..

1. NDMath
2. Taroumaru
3. Enchant
4. Titus
5. Skybird
6. Pooky
7. Yuki
8. Gamma Emerald
9. A50
10. Ari
11. Radical Rat
12. Dwlee99
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Dwlee's posting EoD1 is something i liked which compounds with the role claim and their surprise at ppl thinking they would fakeclaim it. I've gone over that i agree with RR a ton and I want to say the wagons are +town for RR assuming my scumreads are closer to right than not

I find it more likely im missing something on skybird and they're town as opposed to titus being town

But I find ND/Tarou actively suspicious and Enchant i regularly forget is here and i at least have vouching for titus. ND i went over, Tarou is less actively bad per se more easily fakable. I also recall not liking their vote patterns

I have no idea how to read unwnd or pooky but he's so gosh darn cute so he has t hat going for him

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I am so town Tweetie

who is scum pooky

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hasnt read the game, still manages to be obvious town

how does he do it!!!!

Also what algorithm i thought we were just averaging the votes i guess thats an algorithm nvm

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Let's go..

1. NDMath
2. Taroumaru
3. Enchant
4. Titus
5. Skybird
6. Pooky
7. Yuki
8. Gamma Emerald
9. A50
10. Ari
11. Radical Rat
12. Dwlee99
13. Morning Tweet

Dwlee's posting EoD1 is something i liked which compounds with the role claim and their surprise at ppl thinking they would fakeclaim it. I've gone over that i agree with RR a ton and I want to say the wagons are +town for RR assuming my scumreads are closer to right than not

I find it more likely im missing something on skybird and they're town as opposed to titus being town

But I find ND/Tarou actively suspicious and Enchant i regularly forget is here and i at least have vouching for titus. ND i went over, Tarou is less actively bad per se more easily fakable. I also recall not liking their vote patterns

I have no idea how to read unwnd or pooky but he's so gosh darn cute so he has t hat going for him

Why am I middle-of-the-road if you think I’m outside my scumrange?

You're relatively kind of high. i dont have the familiarity others do and i wasnt yet sure my interpretation that you're obvious town was correct. RR has affirmed to me this is true though

I would probably put the cut-off line in between you and Yuki. Although Yuki is in a similar category so maybe above Yuki.

I think out of you/a50/yuki/mayyyybe ari i have max 1 wrong

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Tarou and ND are both a little below nullscum for me since i found their stances sort of convenient for scum although i obviously only put as much stock in that as i can for a D2 in a game like this.

What do you mean by convenient for scum?

Am feeling better about the Ari vote than I was earlier but still would prefer RR.

I'll be back a little before deadline in case nothing's hammered by then but the situation appears it'll be under control.

it doesn't feel like you were particularly concerned which wagon died -- which fits with my idea that most or all were town. Which also makes sense with how most of the game is low impact, i expect scum could get away with leading wagons easier.

Hey we're to the fake Inno on Ari. Originally I was like "okay well scum followed the vote without caring, why?" -- I am thinking it's because there's scum in the voters and both wagons were town. I guess that's not an earth shattering conclusion though but it makes sense given it seems this game is super fucking slow and people can plausibly be like "Whatever we just need to get something thru" without questioning much

I think if there were more town on RR there'd be a "Bullshit no way" response. Or if Ari were town and RR!scum there'd also have been a bullshit no way. But.. there wasn't.

At that point in time it seemed like Ari was for sure gonna die, being at seven votes and deadline very soon. It didn't seem like an awful outcome I guess, and I'm just not someone capable of persuading half the game.

I'm not comprehending why "if there was more town on RR matters"? I also disagree with the town!Ari and scum!RR conclusion in that DotW was both the second largest wagon and the wagon people switched to.

while you were voting Kop and RR got put to X-1 you were complacent with RR being lolhammered -- you also were fine with Dragon and I believe Ari. My point being that you don't seem to have a horse in the race. compare that to Dwlee end of day arguing with A50 and the dragon voters, I find it comes off better.

Whiteknighting is a thing too i suppose but that's usually something i invoke when i think the defense is bad or unfounded. Dwlee scrutinizing A50 was something i expected a lot more of and was understandable

Yeah I see the RR voters had already switched off now, I had that wrong.

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oh yeah and Gamma i don't actually know for a fact you're out of scumrange im just taking other's words for it which puts you more on par with Yuki/A50 than with my higher reads

i guess if i were being more diligent i'd investigate but that's not happening. If down the line this game gets more serious i'll review the players whose posts i glossed over more and get stronger reads than "this is consensus"

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we're srsly coming up on deadline?

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how do you have a stronger scumread on Enchant than ND or Tarou?

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you're not supposed to lead with the accusation!! i was just insinuating it!!!!!!

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Enchant is in my baseline null i'd switch to him if i had nothing better but not my first pick

i did skim his two posts and like lol

I have a couple of enchant scumgames for reference and he played in those so there's that i guess. More specifically he repped into my game and made roughly ~50 posts from behind. In any case hasnt struck me as +scum for him to not be here.

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Sure Pooky. When I flip green I hope the rest of town will realize who the scum really is.

Is anyone even voting for you?

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how do you have a stronger scumread on Enchant than ND or Tarou?

Are you asking me?

He has exactly 2 posts. Why not scum read him? I sure as he'll wouldn't list him as town like Pooky is doing.

to be clear i have no idea why pooky is doing that but i also dont subscribe to scumreading him above NDmath or Tarou which i find actively more likely to flip bad

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I suppose my question isn't "why do you find enchant suspicous" as much as "Why is Enchant your primary suspect?"

I'm not saying you're wrong to suspect there but i find it odd that he's your primary pick, if that makes sense

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Oh right... I am in this game.

hi enchant

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I suppose my question isn't "why do you find enchant suspicous" as much as "Why is Enchant your primary suspect?"

I'm not saying you're wrong to suspect there but i find it odd that he's your primary pick, if that makes sense

He's my main target because I'm getting tired of people being in the game and not playing. Now I see he is starting to post and I have something I can start evaluating.

Suppose that's fair enough but in my mind it makes more sense to not have him as a kill target. Either way shouldnt matter now

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ND wagon is the way

i would accept a Tarou CW though

it's time to do something and waiting for pooky's 6 other lists is taking too long

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Why is Tarou voting RR

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Why would you push someone who is AFK over people who can give reactions? you see how that is not helpful, yeah?

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Sure Pooky. When I flip green I hope the rest of town will realize who the scum really is.

Is anyone even voting for you?

Also what is this?

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I saw that and to be honest it didn't really answer the question

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Vote:RR

Tbh we should have lynched Ari last day.

Why? I've been town reading Ari. What do you see?

Town Ari is much more engaged always. I might have been away from the game for quite a bit but it seems this ain't changing.

Something i do find interesting with regards to Tarou is the conflicting reports im getting on Ari. Some have said he's in town meta, but Tarou has him as hard scum

But he's not voting Ari because he doesnt feel like it. Why he votes RR is a mystery yet

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Why would you push someone who is AFK over people who can give reactions? you see how that is not helpful, yeah?

I disagree.

5-6 votes on lurker are pretty motivating.

Let me give you some more context:

We were doing lists of "Most kill" -> "Least kill". Skybird voted for killing you first, even over NDMath/Tarou/whoever. That would imply Sky's best lead was on you who in theory you shouldnt have any information on. How does Sky not have a better scumread?

Pressuring votes, i get that it's fair enough. But you were their #1 suspect somehow and the one they voted to kill with Pooky's system

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And then sky has the audacity to suggest I'm saying you're a bad target which is a pretty big misrepresentation of what im saying. Whether or not they're missing my point on purpose, i dont know.

You should be a true null but you're sky's #1. Sky has no better leads at this point in the game. It's not just a pressuring vote

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Subscribing somewhat to Pooky's school of reading, if Skybird is scum that is hugely scummy for NDMath/Tarou, maybe a tad better for Enchant. It also makes me paranoid of the Gamma/Titus area of sky's reads since they're middling

im probably like

RR, Dwlee
Ari
A50
Pooky
Enchant
Gamma, Yuki
Skybird, Titus
NDMath, Tarou

I think I'm more likely to only be wrong once above the middle

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I think it's better that we get a flip rather than run out the deadline timer. it's clear that players aren't remembering this game exists as is

I honestly don't have a ton of confidence that I have the bottom half exactly right but that's where like, flips and voting comes in so *nudge nudge*

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i looked at the activity log and it said he hadn't posted for like 3-4 days, that's how I determined

I am very sorry for coming off as overly aggressive there i just got annoyed for no reason

I think trying to draw someone back in with pressure is fair. i suppose i just didn't interpret your actions quite that way

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also, do take extra effort to take care of yourself, Sky

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On the subject of ND.

ND's suspicions on the first day were Kop (although he was complacent with Ari/Dragon as well). Now, while he was pushing Kop and kop had a wagon, RR got put to X-1 and Dwlee thought about hammering. ND egged Dwlee into doing it despite RR not being his first choice (?).

This reveals that ND had no care who between Kop/Ari/Dragon/RR were eliminated yesterday. We know Kop/Dragon are town. I read RR as town and i am currently leaning that way for Ari. See where the problem is coming in? ND didn't townread a single one of them, why does he play like he has no horses in the race D1 at all? This is a read I have somewhat decent success with. Town has passion for who dies, scum can get complacent. Look at Dwlee's end of the day in comparison -- they were invested in it

pedit: Tarou i have found more hard to read than scummy. I think they suffer from the same problems as ND where it feels like they have no personal care who is eliminated (instead sheeping whoever without explaining). I also don't like how they're voteparking you today.

you bring up a valid point. If Tarou is after the fact feigning passion for an Ari elim yet did nothing to further that D1, why? I see scum do this all of the time where they try to get credit after the fact for opposing/avoiding a mislim but did nothing to stop it at the time

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i was under the impression Tarou was memeing D1 so acting like "they told us so" on Ari D1 is so bad

And on top of that they're not voting Ari they're voting you for unexplained reasons

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a50?

i recall multiple times hearing Ari wouldnt do something here as scum but also same way for town

Do you have reasoning for why Ari is scum as well as for why you only bring up that you care Ari dies first now?

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Ah that will do it.

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i dont really know whether or not that is the case so i will defer to others on that

In any case I still question why you wait until today. And then you vote RR instead of Ari anyway

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That's my issue with NDMath exactly. Egging Dwlee to hammer RR was particularly odd when ND hadn't even expressed a read on RR up til that point. and again, ND seemed equally good with like 4 different elimination targets yesterday at least 2 of which were town but possibly all

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Subscribing somewhat to Pooky's school of reading, if Skybird is scum that is hugely scummy for NDMath/Tarou, maybe a tad better for Enchant. It also makes me paranoid of the Gamma/Titus area of sky's reads since they're middling

I'm not understanding why scum!skybird does not put scum in her townreads?
And why would scum!skybird put scum!tarou and enchant at the bottom of their readlist when it would have been very easy to slot those two in at null?

i think i was just saying that scum!sky would be more likely to put town at their #1 kill spot and be more likely to put scum towards the middle.

My main confusion was why Enchant > you/Tarou. I'm kinda past that now though and it doesnt matter unless Sky is scum anyway. What's your read on sky?

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I wonder if the mastinas have anything to contribute at this point. I'm still wiling to follow their lead on this one

You're joking right

lol

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i dont get A50's townread at all but ill give it a more in depth look later

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no i get why A50 is townread i believe but im unsure as to why A50 TRs ND

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@Dwlee & @Titus:

Are you sure you are the oldest person here? I think I might have you beat.

Show your hand..

A50 leantown from this post alone.

Early pocket attempt detected

Result: SUCCESS

VOTE: momrangal

I will sheep the water mouse.

Given mom was a suspect of mine I found this vote plausible

Okay but that means ND was okay with all of Mom/Kop/Dragon/Ari/RR dying which i could plausibly believe is all town.

Bad move rubiks cube

I mean I wasn't exactly trying all that hard to make a good one.

This isn't exactly how "Scum trying to make a good impression" responds here (220 is a continuation of that thought)

I mean it does show he's self aware that he looks bad which is more WIFOM than anything

a lot of it is you agreeing with him which doesnt really help me TR there

If RR is scum i agree ND is town but that is not my favoured view of the game at all

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i mean are you all planning on sheeping the bottom of pooky's aggregate

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what's a GtH?

Yeah Pooky is unreadable he could be scum but if not I heavily lean towards ND cause Pooky is plausible enough

i do kind of echo the sentiment that Pooky hasnt really added anything to the analysis, at least today. The most interesting thing he did was adjust his reads in order to counter scum!Skybird

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cause Pooky is a plausible enough vote*

Like I lean Pooky as a CW to scum. At least as much as i can in a game like this

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what's a GtH?

Yeah Pooky is unreadable he could be scum but if not I heavily lean towards ND cause Pooky is plausible enough

i do kind of echo the sentiment that Pooky hasnt really added anything to the analysis, at least today. The most interesting thing he did was adjust his reads in order to counter scum!Skybird

Gun to Head is where you force everyone to call a small number of players scum and everyone else town, which is fundamentally very similar to what pooky did. It's followed up with an analysis of what the results, not just a list.
I think town!pooky would be more readable than he is right now.

VOTE: Pooky
ISO is half a poor attempt at running a GtH with IioA on results, and most of the rest is fluff.

I'd forget everything I said all game and vote YOU for this one.

Idk, I guess I'm just frustrated at this point. I also don't understand what the townreads on him are for.

Maybe. I'm not really sure what the secret sauce to reading Pooky is, at least when he's not playing much like in this game. I don't know why he's townread either to be fair

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r u really giving me shit for not analyzing a survey that half the fucking game didnt even bother to fill out

i meannnnnnn is it invalid because 5 responses were missing? Perhaps you could draw a conclusion on the gamestate from that?

Mine would have to be that scum doesn't give a fuck about anything right now and aren't pushing anything to be honest. i know that at least 75% but prolly more of the wagons yesterday were town, i was incorrectly scumbinned, probably more. Scum just has to be like "Yeah that one's cool" for the rest of the game and it's whatever to them. thats my working theory

Which, granted, could be wrong but its the best i have and if my townreads are scum then my scumreads i feel haven't given me enough to be able to overturn that

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RR has a good point that Tarou claiming after the fact that "Why didn't we kill Ari it was so obvious" was really bad

i'm interested in hearing more from ppl who aren't playing who they prefer to be wagoned. Cause that's like... the game.. but yeah

Also we're probably running low on time so like if you're town maybe just throw your thoughts into the mix

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that was like our attempt at getting ppl who weren't playing to play and even that failed for some players

that in of itself can be useful even if not as much as it could be

I suppose i'm surprised you haven't bothered to give an opinion on anyone, u usually tunnel on like one scumread or something

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i did and i got yelled at by skybird

well maybe it's because you based your entire readslist as a counter to hers

or at least that's how i interpreted it

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unofficial VC

NDmath (4) : Morning Tweet ; Titus ; Gamma Emerald ; Radical Rat
Titus (3) : Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru ; Almost50
PookyTheMagicalBear (1) : NDmath
Dwlee99 (1) : Hated
Taroumaru (1) : Skybird

Not Voting (4) : Aristophanes ; Enchant ; PookyTheMagicalBear ; Dwlee99

7 to execute

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(also there's 3 days left)

please just vote one of ND/Tarou i guarantee at least one is scum and if town is inactive and scum manipulates it so the town one dies ill figure it out just help me

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im not so sure scum cares who dies

So either they'd submit a list without putting a care in, or they dont send a list at all

in any case im starting to lose interest and i just want to kill people who aren't playing much who are also more likely to be scum

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why dont you like

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it feels like the scum r ok with this

i think scum were going to be okay with whatever low activity player we decided on since there's like no real grounds to defend them

whether they're town or scum

The only person who was opposed so far is A50... because NDMath agreed with him, mostly. Dunno

But like had i gone tarou or even Titus i dont think much resistance was coming

So like even if NDMath is town i dont think i could have known realistically

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Which yeah does make this game kind of suck but idk man ヽ(￣～￣　)ノ

and ndmath is notoriously limbaity

does ndmath usually not have scumreads or a direction to their votes

i still sheep you tho

you r my hero

thank u for being my very supportive bear ♡

Unless you're scum that knows im wrong and are taunting me

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To be fair, the double kill suggests multiball, so at least some scum are going to be okay with it no matter who we wind up on.

Ah I hate multiball i thought that was a vig or sk or something

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you say that but i don't even think ive ever done that

I don't really pockitte. at least not as scum. maybe as town. i like being in pockets at least

is comfy

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i mean that sounds moderately believable i guedss

I don't really know how this game works. Would be willing to switch to Tarou if that claim is particularly good

did you submit the words "Purely Cleric"? I assume I'm allowed to ask why, if so. Reason being is i assume scum have fakeclaims in a setup like this

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I assumed it only worked on magic users

so it could target a necromancer townie for a false guilty, or a non-magic scum for a false inno

pedit: So if someone submitted, like "Battle Medic" the AI could mutate it to "Purely Cleric" and hand it to someone else randomly? Is that how this works?

How are the actual role abilities themselves determined? Is there any point to me trying to game this?

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I just realized my role name is kinda scummy but alas...

I'm the Sorcerer of Death! Muahahahaha

Basically, I have the power to target a dead player and use their active ability on another player. I can target each dead player only once.

It's such a gool role! The AI was on point here :)

Oh! So there is a necromancer.

pedit: Why not Taroumaru?

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or i guess why Enchant who has left no impression on me which is a pretty big contrast to radio buzz when he posted 50+ times upon rep in if memory serves

And you were there for that

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from what I've seen he plays scum at least somewhat seriously(radio buzz, that scarlet witch game) so repping in and just not playing and also forgetting he's in the game would be a bit odd. idk that's kinda as much as im going off of. I'd still vote him out but not over Tarou who i think is actively scummy

like even though enchant was doomed ish in radio buzz he still made the first day competitive

VOTE: Taroumaru

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i mean at the end of the day though im basically grasping at straws trying to read what isn't even here even for the biggest scumreads

You make a fair point that he was under pressure in that game but wasnt under any here as far as i can tell

although thats kind of because i dont know if anyone realized enchant was in the game

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Thor is more passive and not funny as maf (i saw his town and mafia in one game).
Helay and Haley because of townie reaction on "You are Vig" and overall decent game.

shout out to this read enchant had in this game that made me laugh

"Thor is town because he's not funny as mafia"

Looks like enchant does short posts, doesnt explain reads, has a lot of "Why are you voting me", seems to focus on factual stuff and chimes in on stuff but never about his own opinion. Looks like he occasionally gives reads but not really much in the way of explaining

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To be honest i didnt notice any posts that had deeper analysis beyond "This person is town" in PyP.

skimming Enchant's iso there is some of the same but like 1346, 1361, 1490 seem to be examples of engaging with the game at least on a somewhat deeper level.

Also I'm not entirely sure Enchant forgets about the game if he's scum. But i could be off-base. I got the impression he enjoyed scum from dark witches alternate reality or whatever it was called. He kinda ended up carrying at the end.

I certainly go Tarou over him in any case. would rather just hear more and judge him as i go

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I think there's a chance this is a case of letting up the gas too early but the claim makes me lean towards Tarou yeah

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letting up the gas? Letting off the gas? What's the phrase?

My point being that i am easily swayed by X-1 claims. Like that could just be a mod fakeclaim. But I lean that Ari is a town miller to the claim so that gives it some credibility.

unless it was made up as a response to Ari's role which would be quite smart

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I'm not sure what you mean by conflict exactly. Your role implies NDMath's is a lie somehow? I assume by being too similar. but why would the mod give scum a fakeclaim that doesnt work

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All we know is that Tarou doesn't use dark magic

Town can use dark magic and scum can just not use it. I'm not really sure if it's helpful for anything except boxing in fakeclaims

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regardless it being helpful or not isn't really my point so much as that it's believable given Ari's role

I didn't really think about the scum faction being magic-flavoured though. I guess that could make a magic-cop fakeclaim kind of a no-brainer in that case

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I don't really like the assumption that scum has mod-assigned fakeclaims. I don't really understand why you'd think that's the case, unless you were scum and given one. But I townread you for basically everything else, so... What's the deal here?

I assumed that the role names and abilities had some sort of meaning so scum would have fake roles that align with the kingdom's naming scheme. Aka if they were to claim scum roles, the abilities or names wouldnt make sense, and if they made bullshit up, they might collide with something thr kingdom actually has

now I'm getting the idea that the setup is completely random so I guess there isnt that worry. I really dont understand how the design works

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WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING?

Do you or don't you

believe ND's claim? If you do,

why are you voting his clear?

If you don't. why are you moving off him??

This post was initially supposed to be addressing MT, but I saw a bunch of players sheeping her unto Tarou. What the fuck is your rational there?

literally already answered this

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A50 who do you want us to kill? You keep shooting down my picks but you're literally only around to do that

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I mean I guess Titus doesnt have much WIM but like that isnt exclusive to Titus nor something she only does in this game or as scum, and at least we know why she isnt around

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you really put more stock in Titus having low activity over my case for why theres scum in nd/tarou tho

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i was under the impression they're common in games where you not having knowledge of the flavour would put you at a disadvantage

Either way i don't think that applies to this setup anymore

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Is Ari actually in his scum meta by falling off? i have heard someone say that but i dont know ari

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Game is too slow no one votes i dont know where half the players are

i am seriously losing interest

If I could kill off half the game i would and then play from there. if we lose then tbh i dont think it would have been winnable

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you too huh

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MT who would you kill if you could kill half the people

We should just flash wagon one of them

lemme see

1. NDMath
2. Taroumaru
3. Enchant
4. Titus
5. Skybird
6. Pooky
7. Yuki
8. Gamma Emerald
9. A50
10. Ari
11. Radical Rat
12. Dwlee99
13. Morning Tweet

with this as my reference I would kill NDMath, Tarou, Enchant, Titus, Yuki, and Ari purely based off of a feeling of hopelessness towards reading them

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NDMath I guess i gave some credit since his role seems to interact with the setup. To be honest though with Titus' soft CC and not even really being sure Ari is town i'm not sure how good that is

Tarou is unreadable

Enchant is basically unreadable. i think after skimming PyP, his play doesn't really resemble it quite exactly. and im also sort of surprised he forgot this game existed if scum since i've seen him care about scum more than that

Titus, although it's not her fault i don't have any reference for

Yuki and Ari have a bit more content than the others but I don't know them and obviously they're not around since ive repped in as far as i can remember. Yuki seems adamant they're playing to their town meta and Tarou is backing that up which makes me lean towards Tarou

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realistically i think the majority of bad guys has to be in these players and if that isn't the case I don't think we're getting anywhere ever

I thik that Skybird, Pooky, Gamma, and potentialllyyyy A50 could technically be scum but those are problems i would wait on until I like have any grasp over the first half of the playerlist i mentioned

Gamma actually could be a tier lower but im getting the impression he is playing i just haven't been paying attention to his posts. i was also under the impression earlier that he played out of his scumrange according to some players (Same sort of thing for A50)

Pooky can just be scum but i wouldn't dare kill him. Sky i came around to the other day although im less certain of that now

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I could play ring around the rosie with ND/Tarou/Enchant/Titus/Yuki/Ari all day probably and i'd probably end up stopping on Ari because he isn't around to defend himself so i wouldnt be able to second-guess

I know that Ari claimed a miller to NDMath's role. Actually looking back at it now, it's not really a miller it's more of a power that just so happens to be a miller to NDMath's role. I think that both NDMath and Ari aren't scum together at least

This is a random tangent but A50 giving me shit for voting Tarou despite me literally explaining what i was doing like 6 posts up could be him knowing Tarou is town or something. Don't know if A50 being scum makes sense in this game though, i can't read him and i know at least one person locktowned him

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Spoiler: For Tweetie Only

I could kill off half the game

thank u this gave me a morale++ boost

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if A50 is scum that like makes Tarou town and probably Titus town, but he could be with NDMath for sure

Or or maybe NDMath is town and A50 is defending partner Tarou because ND actually has an innocent on like a godfather type role yeah i dont know

those are thinking at like five million percent brain capacity when also it could just be Titus

I could believe Titus making a fakeclaim like the one she hinted at as a response to Tarou's i guess. I think Titus is mechanical anyway

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This has been a lot of words for "I don't really know I'm just analyzing the same content for years and going in circles"

Kind of just end up leaning towards not overthinking it and voting out NDMath or Tarou because as we mentioned their D1 was bad and also i hate Tarou's entrance into today around Ari. I might have to just ignore the role bullshit or we won't get anywhere

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Werll I can save myself tbh and prove I am town via role but the question is, should I ? I still have some small ray of hope that you all will trust this poor little dog :(

also this is... like.. not the first time this has been invoked this game im pretty sure. If i recall right Kop did this and survived the last day. obviously he was town but yeah

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oh i misread kop's claim yeah

I'm kind of in agreement with RR -- worst case is you're town and you draw a nightkill.... which isn't a bad case at all since we also eliminate someone else today who is hopefully scum

im also kind of surprised you think we realistically are going to overturn your wagon for just that post and no other contribution whatsoever

.....actually i could totally see us doing that but more because of WIFOM than trusting you

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like "Why would scum!Tarou claim to be something like an innocent child but not actually do the thing that confirms it even though if it's town then it already gave away that info to scum and also why would they expect us to drop everything and believe that"

type of WIFOM

Could you just do it so you can be put in the townbin and game is solved just a little bit more because otherwise it's still just kind of convenient

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i mean it's no so much that i believe in tarou, and more that I think if Tarou is town it makes no sense to just say it's confirmable but not actually do the confirmable thing

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A50/NDMath/(Yuki or Titus)/Idk

Hero solve if Tarou isn't lying

Reason for Yuki or Titus is that they're probably the easiest bus for that team but i find it less likely ND and A50 bus like both partners at once but not together on the same one

This also kind of ignores Pooky/Gamma/Skybird but id slot them in the "Idk".

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if A50 is scum i think he's spewing Ari/Tarou town

It's a dumb guess cause it ignores you and Ari off the top of my head but it's a guess nonetheless

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if A50 is scum

Starting with a false premise often leads to a false conclusion.

If you're Town (and I think you are); try solving the game with the premise that I'm TOWN and try to see things my way. Like, I never said Tarou was 100% a Townie. I said he is less likely to be Scum given the result of ND on him. Not the optimal choice for a lim today.

As for "Dark Magic" I have no idea what that is, but I saw the phrase "controlled by Scum" and assumed it's a SCUM ability. I didn't think Ari's role would count as "Dark Magic" because -in my mind- Dark Magic should have a -ve effect on the victim, and Ari's targets would be already dead.

I also was DEAD SERIOUS I wanted to wait until the 2mastinas posted because -when I'm so confused myself- I like to see how a

confirmed Town slot

sees the game.

Oh, and whoever said the mastinas not being able to interact with us is bad is making a faulty generalization. I -for example- have BETTER reads when I'm not involved in the game. I sometimes like to replace into a large on D3/D4 and usually have a much better view because I didn't get affected by the -ve feelings of -say- being SR'd for bad reasons. I also get the flips of the previous Days & Nights, but I guess the mastinas are "semi-involved" in the sense they did read up from the beginning without the flips.

Anyway, I am just babbling.. do as you wish

it said dark magic OR scum. That implies to me that anyone can use dark magic. I don't get your adamance that it indicates scum

I mean.... i try to consider the game from a fair perspective but i obviously can't just treat all my scumreads like they're town and understand everything they say. I don't get why you opposed my vote on Tarou as harsly as you did.

I will admit that i don't so much as scumread you as I just don't know

As much as i like mastina and enjoy her play i can't advocate for holding the game up to wait for her when there's already literally nothing happening. I also can't say I agree with her scumreads hardly at all

I think you're right that i've probably not been completely fair to them though -- like for example i dont know why they townread you. Thing is, as i recall, they didnt really explain a lot of the reads i disagreed with so there was nothing for me to do

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I am definitely going to wait for Tarou to claim even if i have major doubts about its validity. I don't see why not i guess assuming we have like at least 2 days left i think