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Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:27 pm

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Large Theme | AI UPCIK PART II

moderated by Gypyx
Setup Reviewed by Flea The Magician


Playerlist :

1. Almost50
2. NDmath
3. Dwlee99
4. The 2 mastinas
5. Yuki
6. Taroumaru
The Worst, replacing 7. Aristophanes
8. Gamma Emerald
9. Skybird
10. Morning Tweet,replacing Save The Dragons, replacing Momrangal
11. Enchant, replacing Superbowl9
12. Titus
13. Radical Rat
14. PookyTheMagicalBear, replacing unwnd, replacing Pesto
15. Kop, replacing KittyTacky
16. Dragon Of The West
17. MegAzumarill

*=Prod


Spoiler: Living
1. Almost50
3. Dwlee99
4.
The 2 Mastinas

5. Yuki
8. Gamma Emerald
9. Skybird
10. Momrangal
11. Superbowl9
14. Radical Rat


Spoiler: Dead
The 2 Mastinas
Unknown member of the kingdom
, died pregame
Dragon Of The West,
The Wicker Man
, Executed day 1
Kop,
The Master Of The Blackwing Bay
, died Night 1
MegAzumaril,
The Shadow Of The Nightmare Lord
, died night 1
NDmath,
The Great Hunt
, Executed Day 2
Taroumaru,
The Royal Knight Of The Deeplands
, died night 2
The 2 Mastinas are revived
The Worst
The Sorcerer Of Death
, Executed day 3
Titus,
The Nightmare Lord, died night 3


Spoiler: Modkilled
My Sanity


Replacement Queue :


Game Rules

"Heavily inspired" by brassherald's ruleset

General Rules/Game Etiquette
Obey all Site-wide Rules.
Communication outside the thread (if your role specifically allows it) is allowed until the game begins.
You may not quote private communication of any kind. This includes moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.

Activity/Prods/Replacements
Prods of missing players will be issued after 48 hours of no activity.
A prodded player has 36 hours to respond to the prod, after which time a replacement search will begin. The prodded player may re-enter the game so long as no replacement has been found.
A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to possible replacement without further notice.
If you anticipate being unavailable for more than 36 hours please PM me or post in the thread to declare V/LA.
Players in the Replacement Queue will have a 12 hours period to notify me if they're replacing in before the Replacement request goes public
I reserve the right to force replace players who need extensively long V/LA at my own discretion.

Deadlines

Deadlines for this game will be 12 days for each Day Phase. Night Phases will last a maximum of 48 hours.
Players may request an early end to the Night Phase by PM'ing me. Night will be cut short if all players request it.
Extensions are given only in exceptional circumstances, if you need one ask and justify why
If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to me by the posted deadline. If I do not receive your choice via PM by the posted deadline you will forfeit your actions.


Player Actions/Voting/Player Death
A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for an Execution to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down). If no one has a simple majority of votes at deadline a No Execute will occur.
Votes must be bolded or use the [.vote] tags to be counted (e.g.
Vote: Player
or VOTE: Player).
Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
You may Vote: No Execute - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without an execution
Votes made using nicknames or abbreviations will be counted at my discretion. Fake vote gambits should be executed at your own peril. If I think its a vote, then its a vote.
I will not count votes that I perceive as based on the avatar of a user.

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I will use
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Any situation not explicitly covered above is subject to my discretion and will be handled as I see fit on a case-by-case basis, I may modify the rules at any time, you will be notified of this if it happens
You may ask for a Notes PT to put your thoughts on other players, you can Draft post from your notes PT to the game thread, but don't mention that you have a Notes PT and DON'T use your Notes PT to prove that you have a Town mindset

All threads have daytalk
everyone is multitasking

Sample Uninformed Majority PM, no one has actually received it though :

The Apprentice FencerWelcome ! You are a
The Apprentice Fencer


You may try to learn fencing, you kinda suck at it though, keep going champ !

You win if
The Kingdom
survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here
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Post Post #2 (isolation #1) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:38 pm

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congratulations to gamma emerald for being a meanie head
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Post Post #3 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:01 am

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Day 1 starts now !


public rule
Anyone hammering a member of the kindgom will become an universal miller and be inflicted with hated status, doing so multiple times will stack the number of votes on the person, but cannot go lower than (number of non-town alive + 1)

this rule is linked to a player in the game, executing him will disable it, he is aware of it


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The 2 mastinas are dead and a member of
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Post Post #4 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:06 am

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votecount 1.0Not Voting (16) : Almost50 ; NDmath ; Dwlee99 ; Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru ; Aristophanes ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Momrangal ; Superbowl9 ; Titus ; Pesto ; Radical Rat ; KittyTacky ; Dragon Of The West ; MegAzumarill

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute someone
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Post Post #27 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:23 am

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In post 24, Dragon of the West wrote:Does "Hated status" just lower the threshold for a lim by one per stack on that person?
think of it more as a vote constantly placed on you but ya this is correc, and additionally it deactivates in YeLo
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Post Post #71 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:31 am

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votecount 1.1
superbowl9 (2) :
Gamma Emerald ; Yuki Takeya
Pesto (2) :
Dwlee99 ; Almost50
MegAzumarill (1) :
Dragon Of The West
Almost50 (1) :
superbowl9
KittyTacky (1) :
NDmath

Not Voting (9) :
Taroumaru ; Aristophanes; Skybird ; Momrangal ; Titus ; Pesto ; Radical Rat ; KittyTacky ; MegAzumarill

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone
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Post Post #116 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:39 pm

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votecount 1.2
Almost50 (2) :
superbowl9 ; Momrangal
Pesto (2) :
Dwlee99 ; Almost50
MegAzumarill (1) :
Dragon Of The West
Taroumaru (1) :
Yuki Takeya
superbowl9 (1) :
Gamma Emerald
KittyTacky (1) :
NDmath
Momrangal (1) :
MegAzumarill

Not Voting (7) :
Taroumaru ; Aristophanes; Skybird ; Titus ; Pesto ; Radical Rat ; KittyTacky

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone
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Post Post #157 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:28 pm

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votecount 1.3
Momrangal (4) :
MegAzumarill ; Almost50 ; NDmath ; Gamma Emerald
Almost50 (2) :
superbowl9 ; Momrangal
Pesto (1) :
Dwlee99
MegAzumarill (1) :
Dragon Of The West
Taroumaru (1) :
Yuki Takeya
Aristophanes (1) :
Skybird

Not Voting (6) :
Taroumaru ; Aristophanes ; Titus ; Pesto ; Radical Rat ; KittyTacky

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone


announcementsSo, for clarifications purposes : the way the setup was generated is that the roles you gave were fed to an AI, and it created a setup, hope it is clear like that

replacing pesto due to him failing to pick up his role PM too
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Post Post #160 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:08 pm

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unwnd replaces pesto if it ain't obvious
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Post Post #169 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:41 am

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well, i'll just chime in if i see someone misundersteanding how things woek directly then
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Post Post #208 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:18 pm

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votecount 1.4
Momrangal (5) :
MegAzumarill ; Almost50 ; NDmath ; Gamma Emerald ; Yuki Takeya
Almost50 (2) :
superbowl9 ; Momrangal
Aristophanes (2) :
Unwnd ; Dwlee99
Unwnd (1) :
Titus
MegAzumarill (1) :
Dragon Of The West
Radical Rat (1) :
skybird


Not Voting (6) :
Taroumaru ; Aristophanes ; Radical Rat ; KittyTacky

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone


announcementsprodding taroumaru
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Post Post #222 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:38 am

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In post 213, Dragon of the West wrote:Gypyx - are you saying the AI created the setup and then you randomized who got the roles that the AI spit out?
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Post Post #228 (isolation #12) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:36 am

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In post 227, Radical Rat wrote:
@Mod

So, to be 100% clear, the roles in the game are Not the same as the ones we submitted?
this isn't guaranteed, as the AI *could've* mimicked word for word your picks, but it isn't the most likely
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Post Post #313 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:25 pm

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votecount 1.5
KittyTacky (4) :
Almost50 ; Dwlee99 ; MegAzumarill ; Gamma Emerald
Momrangal (3) :
MegAzumarill ; NDmath ; Skybird
Almost50 (2) :
superbowl9 ; Momrangal
Unwnd (2) :
Titus ; Dragon Of The West
Superbowl9 (2) :
Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru
Aristophanes (1) :
Unwnd


Not Voting (3) :
Aristophanes ; Radical Rat ; KittyTacky

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone


announcementsSearching a Replacement for KittyTacky
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Post Post #423 (isolation #14) » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:24 pm

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votecount 1.6
Momrangal (3) :
NDmath ; Almost50 ; Dwlee99
KittyTacky (3) :
MegAzumarill ; Gamma Emerald ; Titus
Almost50 (2) :
superbowl9 ; Momrangal
Superbowl9 (2) :
Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru
Aristophanes (2) :
Unwnd ; Dragon Of The West
Dragon Of The West (2) :
Aristophanes ; Skybird
Unwnd (1) :
Radical Rat


Not Voting (1) :
KittyTacky

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone


announcementsSearching a Replacement for KittyTacky still

prodding Momrangal
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Post Post #425 (isolation #15) » Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:10 pm

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nope it isn't, will fix !

generally if someone would be an actual double-voter / whatever, i'll make a note that this isn't an anomaly
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Post Post #489 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:45 am

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votecount 1.8
Kop (5) :
MegAzumarill ; Gamma Emerald ; Titus ; yuki Takeya ;Taroumaru
Momrangal (2) :
NDmath ; Almost50
Skybird (2) :
Dwlee99 ; Kop
Almost50 (2) :
superbowl9 ; Momrangal
Aristophanes (2) :
Unwnd ; Dragon Of The West
Dragon Of The West (1) :
Aristophanes
Unwnd (1) :
Radical Rat
Dwlee99 (1) :
Skybird


Not Voting (0) :


Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone


announcementsprodding Radical Rat / Aristophanes
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Post Post #535 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:38 pm

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votecount 1.9
Radical Rat (5) :
Gamma Emerald ; Yuki Takeya ; unwnd ; Almost50 ; Taroumatu
Skybird (3) :
Dwlee99 ; Kop ; Radical Rat
Kop (2) :
MegAzumarill ; Titus
Almost50 (2) :
superbowl9 ; Momrangal
Dragon Of The West (2) :
Aristophanes ; NDmath
Aristophanes (1) :
Dragon Of The West
Dwlee99 (1) :
Skybird


Not Voting (0) :


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Post Post #560 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:55 am

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searching a replacement for momrangal
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Post Post #582 (isolation #19) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:59 pm

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Save The Dragons replaces Momrangal
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Post Post #613 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:52 am

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votecount 1.10
Radical Rat (4) :
Gamma Emerald ; Yuki Takeya ; unwnd ; Taroumatu
Skybird (3) :
Dwlee99 ; Kop ; Radical Rat
Kop (2) :
MegAzumarill ; Titus
Dragon Of The West (2) :
Aristophanes ; NDmath
Almost50 (1) :
superbowl9
Aristophanes (1) :
Dragon Of The West
Gamma Emerald (1) :
Save The Dragons


Not Voting (2) :
Skybird ; Almost50

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-03 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone
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Post Post #614 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:52 am

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In post 589, Skybird wrote:
At Mod, can you update the player list with the replacements please?
doing it
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Post Post #618 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:56 am

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also searching a replacement for superbowl9, i forgor
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Post Post #654 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:49 pm

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adding 24 hours to the deadline because of a replacement search
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Post Post #668 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:29 am

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votecount 1.11
Aristophanes (6) :
Dragon Of The West ; Save The Dragons ; unwnd ; Radical Rat ; Gamma Emerald ; Titus
Radical Rat (2) :
Yuki Takeya ; Taroumatu
Kop (2) :
MegAzumarill ; NDmath
Dragon Of The West (1) :
Aristophanes
Skybird (1) :
Kop
Almost50 (1) :
superbowl9


Not Voting (3) :
Skybird ; Almost50 ; Dwlee99

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Post Post #726 (isolation #25) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:42 am

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votecount 1.12
Radical Rat (4) :
Taroumatu ; Almost50 ; Yuki Takeya ; MegAzumaril
Aristophanes (3) :
Dragon Of The West ; unwnd
Kop (3) :
NDmath ; Skybird ; Gamma Emerald
Almost50 (2) :
superbowl9 ; Radical Rat
Dragon Of The West (1) :
Aristophanes
Skybird (1) :
Kop




Not Voting (2) :
Dwlee99 ; Titus

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Post Post #788 (isolation #26) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:09 am

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votecount 1.13
Dragon Of The West (5) :
Aristophanes ; Titus ; Almost50 ; Skybird ; MegAzumaril
Radical Rat (4) :
Taroumatu ; Yuki Takeya ; Radical Rat ; NDmath
Almost50 (3) :
superbowl9 ; Radical Rat ; Gamma Emerald
Yuki Takeya (2) :
unwnd ; Dragon Of The West
Skybird (1) :
Kop


Not Voting (1) :
Dwlee99

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Post Post #799 (isolation #27) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:37 am

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In post 795, Skybird wrote:
In post 788, Gypyx wrote:
votecount 1.13
Dragon Of The West (5) :
Aristophanes ; Titus ; Almost50 ; Skybird ; MegAzumaril
Radical Rat (4) :
Taroumatu ; Yuki Takeya ; Radical Rat ; NDmath
Almost50 (3) :
superbowl9 ; Radical Rat ; Gamma Emerald
Yuki Takeya (2) :
unwnd ; Dragon Of The West
Skybird (1) :
Kop


Not Voting (1) :
Dwlee99

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-03 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute someone
@mod - you have Radical Rat listed twice, once on himself and once on Almost50. Is that correct?
nope, i'll correct when doing next VC, thanks for pointing it out
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Post Post #821 (isolation #28) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:50 pm

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Dragon Of The West (6) :
Aristophanes ; Titus ; Almost50 ; Skybird ; MegAzumaril ; Radical Rat
Aristophanes (5) :
Save The Dragons ; Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru ; Dragon Of The West ; Gamma Emerald
Almost50 (1) :
superbowl9
Radical Rat (1) :
NDmath
Skybird (1) :
Kop


Not Voting (2) :
Dwlee99 ; unwnd

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Post Post #891 (isolation #29) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:53 am

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Dragon Of The West (9) :
Aristophanes ; Titus ; Almost50 ; Skybird ; Radical Rat ; unwnd ; Yuki Takeya ; NDmath ; Dwlee99
Aristophanes (4) :
Save The Dragons ; Taroumaru ; Dragon Of The West ; Gamma Emerald
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superbowl9
Skybird (1) :
Kop


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Post Post #892 (isolation #30) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:55 am

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Dragon Of The West was...


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The Wicker ManWelcome ! You are
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You may not be protected from attacks

You win if
The Kingdom
Survive to see all threats to them dead


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Post Post #893 (isolation #31) » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:37 pm

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2m, aka two mastinasHi there. This is mastina writing this, though hopefully, what I send will have mollie's blessing by the time I submit it with mollie having a chance to say everything they want to say as well in here. (We're obviously a bit limited on time given that we only have 48 hours to submit a night post and if we don't use it, we lose it.)

Apologies that this is going to be a wallpost of wallposts, but sadly, we cannot post unlimited during the night phase. We get one 100-character post during the day (thankfully, bbcode doesn't count towards the total, but if it's visible as a letter/number, it counts as a character, so while we can do a fair amount, we still have only a finite amount we can say), and we get one unlimited-character post during the night. Given we only get the one post, we've no choice but to make the unlimited post be a wall with a full day phase's worth of information to go through.
(For clarity, we start the game confirmed to be town aligned, but considered dead, and as we are dead, our communication is limited. Unfortunately a basically-nerfed treestump. So DO try to make the most out of when we DO use our posts, please.)

First off, let's start with this.
the 2 mastinas wrote:During DAY, only 1 100-letter'r

T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu
ki

S
ky

sb
9


N

Taro
ND
unw
R
R


S

KT/K
STD
DotW
I was a
little
miffed that the discussion after I posted this was about speculating on our role instead of speculating on our reads. If literally any of you have QUOTED this post, you'd have seen I did the absolute best I could to work around the limited characters by even including links to our scumreads here! (Did you read how I linked to the MegAzumarill posts on Kop? Did you notice the link to STD's scum entrance into the game? The post mollie and I both instantly locked onto as being proof of STD being scum this game? Did you? Because literally nobody said anything about this.)

To go into these reads, Almost50 is a common townread as both mollie and I universally believe this is Almost50 at his absolute towniest he's ever been. He's locktown of locktown.

Aristophanes is not that far behind, so shame on you for repeatedly trying to wagon him in spite of the person who has the best read accuracy on Aristophanes listing Ari as town even before Ari's claim (which shoulda elevated Ari to conftown for y'all). A50 is excluded from this, obv, as he was one of the only slots who
did
listen to us on Ari being town (thanks A50 <3), but Ari is a never-eliminate here.

Titus is mostly a treat-as-town read from us, although she may be higher as town especially from mollie. I particularly liked her entrance into the game with her unwnd suspicion (see below for more on that), mollie thought that Titus's later posting in the game was quite town.

Gamma Emerald is a weaker townread I believe we both hold. (This read may need reevaluation given the townflip on DotW obv but for
now
GE is "town enough".)

MegAzumarill lacks the meta experience I have on other townreads, but is just so absurdly town from this game alone. Purely by play, Meg would be one of my strongest townreads, up there with A50 and Ari in strength. mollie initially didn't have a read there, but now also thinks the slot is townish.

Dwlee looked town to me from their claim but this is a read I am currently reevaluating. mollie currently thinks Dwlee's play doesn't line up with their claim and while I'm not sure one way or another, the townread there was
largely
role-based and is something I find is not unreasonable to now put into question. mollie wants Dwlee dead before mylo for sure, and I'm inclined to agree.


For Lean Towns, I'm pretty sure Yuki's town here (tho mollie was the gray--mollie's read on Yuki is more ambivalent, divided between gut/head on scum/town). since then, mollie has said that they're not townreading Yuki, but they at least think that Yuki isn't scum with Taro so if Taro flips scum, it'd look good for Yuki. (Note: the people reading my list actually got the me/mollie colors backwards. I consistently listed MY read first and mollie's read second. So for the green Yu, that's me, and the gray ki, that's mollie.)

When it comes to Skybird, Skybird is someone who I initially thought was scum (Skybird's entrance gave off STRONG scum vibes to me), but mollie is very very very sure that Skybird is town here. Since then, I've become a lot more receptive to Skybird being town from Skybird's later posting. I'm not
convinced
Skybird is town, but I'm willing to trust mollie's read on Skybird.

superbowl9 initially looked town to me, but mollie hard-scumread sb9 here. With the slot being replaced as of the end of the day, it's up in the air as to what this slot's alignment is, we won't be able to really know until the slot is filled and the slot is posting on D2.

It's at this point I feel it's important to mention:

mollie and I believe that this game, being AI-generated, will not necessarily conform to conventional balance standards.

I, personally, believe there should be less than 9 anti-town members to find, in order for the game to still be a game, and that if the AI generated a setup with 10 or more anti-town, Gypyx would reroll things.

So we're expecting there to be anywhere from 4-7 anti-town, mayyyyybe 8, but shouldn't be 9 or more.
Spoiler: Setup stuff
With 17 players we'd normally be looking for ~4 scum. Obviously, that's not the most applicable for the AI generated setup as we could have multiball or a lot more scum than normal but I'd
assume
that the game, being reviewed for balance, means that the town has reasonable odds of winning, so something like 9 antitown is unrealistically high meaning that a more realistic amount of antitown is in the 4-7 range.

(this part was later)
Multiball is explicitly possible--even if there's a sizeable scumteam, the scumteam is probably not assuming it's singleball. Given Gypyx explicitly said the AI could generate a multiball setup, even if there were 5 members in a scumteam they could still be genuinely scumhunting assuming there's another (smaller, like 2-4 member) scumteam in the game.

Meaning I'd explicitly expect the rules of multiball scumhunting to apply, in that you can't rely on "this slot is scumhunting" as a metric for them being town because scum will do that, too; we should be looking more into other scum indicators and other town indicators (things town do that scum are less likely to do, things that scum do even in multiball games).

Meaning that when I say that names are 'null', what I really mean is,
"This is where the scum pool begins", in that when we get to the bottom ~7 names on the readslist, it's not too unrealistic to think that literally all of them could be scum.

Taro there's just not much of anything there to be seen. I did however actually slightly misplace Taro. mollie did
initially
have Taro as null like I do, but later said Taro was acting scummy, so Taro should've been slightly lower (albeit not to the same strong-scum levels as our other reads).

NDMath there's also very little to be seen--NDMath has been posting, and more constructively so at that, but nothing truly sticks out as really alignment-indicative. Initially mollie had NDMath as a null. However, mollie thinks the slot is townish currently.

unwnd is a slot we had heavy ambivalence on at the time, although we've since come to the conclusion unwnd looks sus-as-fuck and unwnd is one of our main scumreads. I initially thought that unwnd's entrance looked hella-suspicious and didn't give off townvibes, but then later doubted this with ambivalence where I could see it either way. However, mollie, too, ALSO thinks the same: that if unwnd were town here, that unwnd would look town here and unwnd here just...doesn't look town. At all.

Radical Rat is basically an inverse Skybird: I have liked, rather strongly, basically everything Radical Rat has posted, including RR's claim looking town to me. mollie...hasn't, with mollie having thought RR's content was quite strong scum overall. At the time we posted our combined readslist, mollie had moved RR up to null, but that was the highest point RR has been to mollie and for both before, and after, that, RR has been a scumread of mollie's. I trust mollie's ability to read RR more than I trust my own, but I DO disagree with the scumread there, in spite of my willingness to trust mollie on it.

Then we get to the scumreads.
I could explain the DotW scumread (it was mostly mine tho mollie did share it), but given the townflip there, best to focus on the others.

When it comes to KittyTacky/Kop, KittyTacky was heavily null-at-best (with a minor lean towards scum). Kop's posting, per MegAzumarill's reasoning, is incredibly suspect. I realize Kop claimed a confirmable role--but both me and mollie remain skeptical of this, especially given the need for a replacement in the first place for KittyTacky.

And when it comes to SaveTheDragons, both mollie and I are sure that the immediate wallpost of effort from STD is a scumclaim from him, and that literally everything STD's done since coming into the game has been incredibly scum-motivated.


Other (potentially) important things:
Spoiler: mastina RVS posting
The person who killed us is whoever submitted 'Lord of the Tomb' as our role as our role is what killed us. :P

Also while I realize there's not much point in me doing my normal town town? scum? scum list due to the mechanics, for my own sanity I'm doing it anyway.
Town.
In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13007125#p13007125]post 8[/url], Gamma Emerald wrote:Why can’t we be friends, and unite against the real enemy, the jocks?
VOTE: Superbowl9
​Town?
In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13007314#p13007314]post 17[/url], Dragon of the West wrote:VOTE: MegA
Thanks for sabotaging 3d20 with that fake bus driver roll claim just to replace out lol
Scum.

VOTE: Dragon of the West
(Yes I know we don't have a vote but this is where I'd vote if alive.)
Spoiler: more mastina rvs posting
No read on NDMath yet but as of p3 I'm upgrading my townreads on both Dwlee and Gamma and putting Radical Rat as a lean town.

Skybird is scum? to me. (As in, not as confscum as Dragon of the West is because Dragon of the West is painfully obviously scum here, but still looks more scum than town to me right now.)

I also lean town on superbowl9; I have no read on Titus and am ambivalent on Momrangal (my first instinct was town but then I second-guessed it to scum so not sure).

I buy Meg's claim enough to have Meg as town enough.

So on page three, my reads:

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
Pesto (not posted)
KittyTacky (not posted)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Aristophanes (not posted but below the others because of the ol' Aristophanes tell)

Skybird

Dragon Of The West

Loosely: town, lean town, null, null-with-a-lean-scum, weak scumread, hard-lockscum.
(The Aristophanes tell being Ari posting = Ari town, Ari not posting = Ari scum. Obviously, this is both an oversimplification and outdated, as basically a straw-tell: not really real as a true tell which isn't truly applicable, because it's a lot more complicated and nuanced than that. Once Aristophanes DID start posting, though, Ari immediately became obvtown.)
Spoiler: mastina Setup stuff + more early initial takes of mine
With 17 players we'd normally be looking for ~4 scum. Obviously, that's not the most applicable for the AI generated setup as we could have multiball or a lot more scum than normal but I'd
assume
that the game, being reviewed for balance, means that the town has reasonable odds of winning, so something like 9 antitown is unrealistically high meaning that a more realistic amount of antitown is in the 4-7 range.

Given that, I'd say to look for 4-7 scum, which I legitimately honestly think my readslist is already in the right zone for.

All of my townreads I'm pretty damn confident in;
All of my townleans I also feel pretty damn good about.

So that'd leave 4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Aristophanes, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

9 names for 4-7 scum is a pretty damn good start imo.
Spoiler: page 5 mastina reads
Okay with Aristophanes having posted on page 5, I lean town on Ari (well actually I kinda want to locktown Ari), which brings me to:

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
Pesto (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird

Dragon Of The West

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.
Spoiler: mastina initial unwnd read + readslist progression
unwnd (Pestro's slot)'s entrance is not giving me the townvibes here at all--very alarming, as I'd expect unwnd to look town here if town. I realize unwnd tried to excuse this with "don't expect the normal from me", but that in of itself was also somewhat suspect in my opinion. Beyond that, unwnd's content since replacing in is immediate sus vibes so unwnd can join the Skybird level of scumread. (I'm not SURE unwnd is scum in the way I am instantly sure Dragon of the West is scum, but I do THINK unwnd is scum here.)

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird
Pesto/unwnd

Dragon Of The West

Locktown townread various forms of null scumread HARD-lockscum.

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.
Spoiler: mastina most-of-D1 reads, Titus townread, to ~199
Titus voting unwnd immediately gives me overall +townvibes here--she could be scum bussing, she could be scum with unwnd not, but I think unwnd is scum and I think Titus realizing unwnd was suspicious is +town for her overall.

Which brings me to, as of the thread being at post 197 (me fully caught up to what's been posted):

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Titus

Taroumaru (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird
Pesto/unwnd

Dragon Of The West

Locktown townread townlean various forms of null scumread HARD-lockscum.

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.
Spoiler: mastina extra post on the above
(For the record I actually feel really REALLY damn confident in all of the townreads until Titus and on my Dragon of the West scumread. It's to the point where if I could get reads on the various shades of null, dead serious, I would be fine with making our singular post for the day early rather than waiting until near deadline. But obviously, if [mollie needed] time for [mollie's] own reads and/or disagree with mine, we'll need to hash them out more anyway.)
Spoiler: mollie's first readslist, at about the same spot in the game as above, ~200
Town


Almost50
Skybird

maybe Ari or Gamma here

Titus - will treat as town

Null/Ambiguous


Yuki - reads as town, gut says scum
unwnd - like Yuki but maybe reversed

Dwelee is meh but should be easy to resolve.

NDMath, Meg, Kittytacky, Dragon are all just kind of there.

Momrangel always pings, in every game, but especially here.

Rad rat and Superbowl give off scum vibes.
We began to hash things out and work on our post from there.
Spoiler: mollie's followthrough/beginning to compromise
We can definitely meet in the middle here with reads, and I have noticed in the games we played in, we tend to catch scum in that way. Let's keep Sky in the town pile for now, maybe? Can we watch Unwnd?

Kitkat might not be a terrible lim.
Spoiler: mollie pointing out the lack of SvS in unwnd-DotW
If this is a bus, it is the worst bussing I have ever seen.

From Dragon of the West:
There's so many people in this game I haven't played with before. Can't wait to read everyone terribly.

VOTE: unwnd
I just don't like the wording of their posts so far. Feels fluffy and fake
I agreed with this, but with Dragon of the West having flipped town, that opens unwnd back up for being scum.
Spoiler: mollie on Taro + setup spec from mollie
Oh and Taromaru looks scummy.

It feels like a multiball game.
To that, I said:
Spoiler: more setup spec
is explicitly possible--even if there's a sizeable scumteam, the scumteam is probably not assuming it's singleball. Given Gypyx explicitly said the AI could generate a multiball setup, even if there were 5 members in a scumteam they could still be genuinely scumhunting assuming there's another (smaller, like 2-4 member) scumteam in the game.

Meaning I'd explicitly expect the rules of multiball scumhunting to apply, in that you can't rely on "this slot is scumhunting" as a metric for them being town because scum will do that, too; we should be looking more into other scum indicators and other town indicators (things town do that scum are less likely to do, things that scum do even in multiball games).
In the process of developing our reads,
Spoiler: mastina on unwnd + KittyTacky + penultimate-from-D1post readslist
For the record, have shifted my read (which is reflected above) on unwnd and KittyTacky/Kop in that unwnd has gone from a scumlean to ambivalent-null and KittyTacky/Kop has gone from null to a scumlean.

Town

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Lesser Town

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Treating Town

Titus

Null/Ambiguous

Taroumaru
NDmath
Momrangal (ambivalent)
Pesto/unwnd (ambivalent)

Lesser Scum

Skybird
KittyTacky/Kop

Greater Scum

Dragon Of The West
(I also tried to form mollie's reads into a list and create an initial compromise-readslist, which the following was in response to)
Spoiler: mollie giving further reads input
Move Titus up.

Dweelee and Meg up

Dragon and kop down to scumreads

solid on skybird, almost50 slipped but still town. I just have an overactive imagination.
And then Save the Dragons replaced in, which mollie immediately called out:
Spoiler: mollie on STD
I think Save the Dragons/Momrangel is scum here, with that deliberate IOA.
Spoiler: next mollie compromise
I am cool with moving Rad rat to null <3

Other than Skybird, we have similar reads.


It was at this point we (well, I, having gotten mollie's input) submitted our D1 post.
Spoiler: I, mastina, had WORDS to say to folks about this.
A bit frustrating that they're engaging the "can talk", and not the "what was said".

I even included LINKS to why we're scumreading KittyTacky/Kop and Save the Dragons and they're not being engaged on, and nobody's commenting on how Aristophanes is a townread of ours and I posted our single post on him after a wagon on him came up.

The slots who know me should know that I know Aristophanes here and that he's town. A50, Titus, maybe-GE, Aristophanes himself, all of them should be able to tell that I know how to read Aristophanes and am telling them not to vote there...
In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13026857#p13026857]post 662[/url], Almost50 wrote:I am not going to vote Ari. It's true I don't have a read on him, but Sky is right.. offering to claim is + for him. Also the 2 mastinas TR him, so I am not going to go against that on D1.

What are the available alternatives? The mastinas have Kop/STD/DotW as their lim pool for today? I have just unvoted STD and it doesn't make sense for me to revote the same guy who talked me out of it the first time (not saying I am convinced he's Town, but let's see what he has to offer). So, Kop of DotW for me (DotW has pocketed me already, so likely Kop, but I am still open for suggestions if supported by good arguments)
THANK YOU FOR BEING THE ONE PERSON TO BLOODY LISTEN A50. <3

I do wish you'd listen a little bit MORE though. Like, actually quoting the post so you would see the bloody links.

Aristophanes should NOT be the D1 elimination goddammit.
Spoiler: mollie giving more input, on Aristophanes + unwnd + Kop
Aristophanes shouldn't be the D1 elimination.

Also I am scumreading unwnd. Last game I played with him, he was full of piss, vinegar and arrogance, and wasn't afraid to throw his weight around or get into slapfights. From what I learned in that game, that is a town trait for him.

Do you see that here? Because I do not.

If Kop was sitting on a proveable role, then why would kittykat replace out in the way that they did? I call shenanigans on that.
I am in full agreement with everything mollie said here.
Spoiler: mollie on Skybird + unwnd
Skybird:
It seems like Dwlee and RR are scum reading everyone I am town reading. The last few posts from A50 are kind of yucky but I still feel he is town. I get that RR thinks A50 tried to trick him into something, but I don't agree. RR wants an elim badly. He says he's willing to be the D1 lim which is nai in my opinion. The thing that seems more scummy is deciding he is not going to be the lim because his role is better than he thought. Thinking you have a good role isn't nai. It's just the way it all came down that feels hinky to me.
Skybird is pure here, I think, as town as A50. And I agree with this sentiment.

Unwnd is trying to move the wagon back onto Ari.

Yeah, unwnd is scum here.
I also fully agree with mollie here--I think Skybird's later posting like the quote was insanely town and that unwnd's posting was incredibly scum.
Spoiler: mollie on RR
Oh and I think Radrat is scummy now.

Way too much dithering for them.
This however I can't find myself agreeing with. I'm willing to
trust
mollie on RR, but I can't
agree
with it.
Spoiler: mollie's doubt on Dwlee
this really bugs me from Dwelee:
Also I am a universal Miller so I have no idea what will show up to role cops
Obvsly his role would show up as universal miller, but here he is concerned that it might show up as something else. I am renewing my suspicion of Radrat/Dwelee connection.
And while I neither agree nor disagree with mollie on this point (Dwlee's fallen off in read strength to me), it is definitely worth investigating further.

Spoiler: mollie's readslist during the night
SKybird - town
Almost50 - town, but I don't like that they are devoid of scumreads.
Ari - town
Titus - treat as town
Gamma - townish
Meg - town
Ndmath -townish

Dwelee - not liking this slot, needs to be limmed before deadline, really should be vigged.
Yuki - I am not really townreading them. I do think that Taro and Yuki are not scum together, though. So if Taro flips scum that would clear Yuki in my mind.
Taro - meh
Radrat - I actually originally had them as town and now I am scumreading them. His pushback on Almost50 looked genuine, but eh, I dunno. Something isn't right here.
unwmd - scummeh
kop - scummeh
std - lean scum, I think Dotw might have been correct in his std buddying assessment.
superbowl - seemed scummy



So with all of this said,
Updated Readslist
:

LOCKTOWN
:

Almost50
Aristophanes
MegAzumarill (mastina-townread + claim + mollie townread)

STRONG TOWN
:

Titus (both heads townreading)
Skybird (mollie VERY strongly townreading; mastina townreading)

WEAK TOWN
:

Gamma Emerald (both heads loosely town)
Yuki (mastina
town
+ mollie
ambi
valence
)
NDMath (basically pure null from mastina, but
townish
to mollie)

Below this = "can eliminate"
(especially if there's a lot of nontown players in the game)
:


CONFLICTED
:

Radical Rat (mastina
townread
, mollie
strong-scumread
)

NULL/PENDING REEVALUATION
:


Dwlee99 (looked
town enough
D1, claim seemed believable, but doubts to be had + mollie
scumread
)
superbowl9 (looked
town
to mastina but
strongly scum
to mollie, but due to the replacement, is a blank slate)

NULLSCUM
:

Taro (mastina pure null, but mollie thinks is
scummy
)

SCUM
:

Kop
Momrangal/Save the Dragons
unwnd
(final note: mollie said they don't
strongly
scumread anyone outside of unwnd, Kop, and STD)
mollie tl;dr
:

tl;dr
- y'all, it is a long read, but worth it because Mastina is mapping out exactly what we are thinking. We are here, anxiously watching everything, hoping to join you all at some point. Also sorry, Dragon of the West! We thought you looked scummy until you didn't and then it was too late. <3
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Post Post #894 (isolation #32) » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:29 pm

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enchant replaces superbowl9
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Post Post #895 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:19 am

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Post Post #896 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:23 am

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so, extremely sorry about the delay, but i did an error and flipped the wrong player, i'll check in with the listmod on what to do, but in the meanwhile, if anyone saw the night's flips, please signal yourself to me, once again extremely sorry with the error
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Post Post #897 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:41 am

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(ftr stuff isn't solved yet, i'll give a definitive start time when i can)
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Post Post #898 (isolation #36) » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:29 am

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alright so, we're back to go, sorry for the disturbances everyone, and sadly as a consequence of seeing the wrong flips, unwnd / Save The Dragons will have to be replaced, i'll start the day once this is dealt with

i'll show the correct deaths once replacements are in
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Post Post #899 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:24 am

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morning tweet replaces save the dragons ! One replacement left
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Post Post #900 (isolation #38) » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:38 am

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aaaaand pooky replaces unwnd !

game's ready to start, due to the long delay, i'll wait (expired on 2021-10-16 14:38:44) to make sure everyone's with the game (although as the night was already resolved there's no modification of night actions)
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Post Post #901 (isolation #39) » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:42 am

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Night 1 has ended...

MegAzumarill died, he was...


Spoiler:
The Shadow of the Nightmare LordWelcome ! You are
The Shadow of the Nightmare Lord


each night, you will learn if anyone has had any nightmares, and if yes how many, you do not know what are the conditions for having nightmares, but you can ask a Yes / No question about that each night

as a shadow, you are unaffected by investigations, and any targeting you will fail

You win if
The Kingdom
Survive to see all threats to them dead

the game thread is here


Kop has died ! He was...


Spoiler:
The old master of blackwing bayWelcome ! you are
The Old Master of Blackwing Bay


Anyone who visits you will gain a 1-shot Commuter invention, and once during game, you give someone a 1-shot Tracker invention

You win if
The Kingdom
Survive to see all threats to them dead

the game thread is here


Day 2 starts now
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Post Post #902 (isolation #40) » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:46 am

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votecount 2.0
Dwlee99 (1) :
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Not Voting (13) : Almost50 ; NDmath ; Dwlee99 ; Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru ; Aristophanes ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Morning Tweet ; Enchant ; Titus ; PookyTheMagicalBear ; Radical Rat

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Post Post #998 (isolation #41) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:06 am

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votecount 2.1
Almost50 (1) :
Radical Rat
Radical Rat(1) :
Skybird
Yuki Takeya (2) :
Dwlee99 ; Titus
Dwlee99 (1) :
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Not Voting (9) : NDmath ; Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru ; Aristophanes ; Gamma Emerald ; Morning Tweet ; Enchant ; PookyTheMagicalBear ; Almost50

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Post Post #1041 (isolation #42) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:36 am

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votecount 2.2
Radical Rat(4) :
Skybird ; Almost50 ; Taroumaru ; Dwlee99
Exe-3

Yuki Takeya (2) :
Titus ; Morning Tweet
Almost50 (1) :
Radical Rat
Dwlee99 (1) :
Hated



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Post Post #1104 (isolation #43) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:00 pm

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votecount 2.3
Radical Rat(3) :
Skybird ; Almost50 ; Taroumaru
Yuki Takeya (3) :
Titus ; Morning Tweet ; Dwlee99
Almost50 (1) :
Radical Rat
Dwlee99 (1) :
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #44) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:00 pm

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Skybird ; Almost50 ; Taroumaru
Yuki Takeya (3) :
Titus ; Morning Tweet ; Dwlee99
Almost50 (1) :
Radical Rat
Dwlee99 (1) :
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #45) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:35 pm

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searching a replacement for Aristophanes
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:56 am

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votecount 2.4
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Yuki Takeya (2) :
Titus ; Morning Tweet
Almost50 (1) :
Radical Rat
Morning Tweet (1) :
Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (1) :
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #47) » Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:26 pm

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votecount 2.5
NDmath (3) :
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Radical Rat(2) :
Almost50 ; Taroumaru
Enchant (1) :
Skybird
Almost50 (1) :
Radical Rat
Morning Tweet (1) :
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Dwlee99 (1) :
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Not Voting (8) : NDmath ; Yuki Takeya ; Aristophanes ; Gamma Emerald ; Enchant ; PookyTheMagicalBear

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prodding Yuki Takeya / Enchant
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #48) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:10 am

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Exe-3

Titus (2) :
Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru
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Almost50
Almost50 (1) :
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #49) » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:14 am

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In post 1480, Almost50 wrote:Did we get a replacement to Ari yet?
nope

will freeze deadline at 2 days if it goes to there
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Post Post #1516 (isolation #50) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:35 am

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Exe-3

Titus (3) :
Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru ; Almost50
PookyTheMagicalBear (1) :
NDmath
Taroumaru (1) :
Radical Rat
Dwlee99 (1) :
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Post Post #1593 (isolation #51) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:16 am

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Skybird ; Morning Tweet ; Radical Rat ; Gamma Emerald ; PookyTheMagicalBear
Exe-2

Titus (3) :
Yuki Takeya ; Taroumaru ; Almost50
PookyTheMagicalBear (1) :
NDmath
NDmath (1) :
Titus
Dwlee99 (1) :
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Post Post #1599 (isolation #52) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:38 am

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In post 1594, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:@mod

aristophanes hasnt posted in 8+ days
he's also getting replaced yes
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #53) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:08 pm

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votecount 2.8
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Skybird ; Morning Tweet ; Radical Rat ; Gamma Emerald ; PookyTheMagicalBear ; Dwlee99
Exe-1

Titus (3) :
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Yuki Takeya (1) :
NDmath
NDmath (1) :
Titus
Dwlee99 (1) :
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The deadline is freezed at 2 days until the ari slot gets replaced
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Post Post #1690 (isolation #54) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:41 am

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the worst replaces aristophanes
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Post Post #1816 (isolation #55) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:57 pm

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Taroumaru (3) :
Skybird ; Gamma Emerald ; PookyTheMagicalBear
Titus (1) :
Yuki Takeya
The Worst (1) :
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Yuki Takeya (1) :
NDmath
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Post Post #1861 (isolation #56) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:46 am

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In post 1846, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1816, Gypyx wrote:
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Skybird ; Gamma Emerald ; PookyTheMagicalBear
Titus (1) :
Yuki Takeya
The Worst (1) :
Taroumaru
Yuki Takeya (1) :
NDmath
Dwlee99 (1) :
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@MOD: When did I ever vote NDMath?
uh, never -_-
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Post Post #1862 (isolation #57) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:52 am

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NDmath (2) :
Titus ; Morning Tweet
Yuki Takeya (2) :
NDmath ; Enchant
Taroumaru (1) :
Skybird
Titus (1) :
Yuki Takeya
The Worst (1) :
Taroumaru
Radical Rat (1) :
Almost50
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #58) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:35 pm

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Titus ; The Worst ; Skybird ; Gamma Emerald ; Radical Rat ; Morning Tweet ; Pookythemagicalbear
Yuki Takeya (2) :
NDmath ; Enchant
Titus (1) :
Yuki Takeya
The Worst (1) :
Taroumaru
Radical Rat (1) :
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #59) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:37 pm

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NDmath has been executed, he was...


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The Great Hunt


Once during the game, you may anonymously put to reward a 1-shot Bulletproof vest to whoever hammers a player of your choice

You win if one person from both these 2 groups gets executed while you are still alive [REDACTED / REDACTED] and [REDACTED / REDACTED] if you succeed, you will leave the game in a victory


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Post Post #1910 (isolation #60) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:24 pm

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Hi folks, this is mastina here. Like a dummy dum dum, I forgot to coordinate with mollie an N2 message to send to y'all, so this is purely from me and won't contain as in-depth a summary as our N1 message did, because I don't have the time to get mollie to sign off on this meaning I can't send anything mollie doesn't want to be sent.

I'll start by saying one of the reasons I was so negligent is that we'll be joining you in the living at the start of D3. (We could rejoin the living at any time, but once we do, we can die to a scum nightkill. We valued being an immortal IC over being able to talk live given we could message y'all still + I was fairly swamped IRL so me not being required to post every 48 hours actually was good for me, but we both have agreed that interacting in real time is needed. We wanted to in the latter half of D2, which is one of the reasons our D2 message was so delayed, but ultimately we decided we should rejoin the living at the
beginning
of a day phase as to get the most time to interact with y'all.)

Speaking of D2 tho: my originally-planned message was 98 characters, but it contained something from mollie that mollie asked me to remove, and I obliged. It was something that at the time was mostly mollie, but I now believe to be true even MORE than mollie does, but I still need mollie's permission to out it, which as of me sending this, I do not have. (Sorry, again, me = dumdum.)

I'll give the translation of what WAS there though: Subject: AI UPCIK PART II | Night 2
the 2 mastinas wrote:
2mReadsL=N2
Game >rand
DON'T lim Ari
PLEASE lim PTMB
MT=powerwolf OR
gem
We believe the game is more likely than not to be multiball. NDMath's flip seems to confirm that to us.

The lines about not eliminating Aristophanes/the worst and eliminating Pookythemagicalbear are self-explanatory.

But the line about Morning Tweet apparently caused confusion.

pirate mollie's read on MT is a complicated one. Again, I'd elaborate more if I had not been a dummy dum dum and not gotten approval first so I can't talk about mollie's read there in full without first getting mollie's consent so lacking it, can't go into details, buuuuuut, basically:

pirate mollie thought that MT looked insanely town initially, but later thought that MT was very probably scum especially in certain situatons. pirate mollie summed it up as basically what I intended to say in that post:
"Either MT is a power-wolf or is the gem of the town".
As in, regardless of Morning Tweet's alignment, Morning Tweet is making really :goodposting:, is actually trying, is a breath of fresh air for the game. If Morning Tweet were town, that would make MT the MVP of the town by virtue of being so full of energy and investment.

...However, mollie believes there's a very very high chance that in spite of how MT's efforting hard, that Morning Tweet is just scum here in spite of the good effort. This is supported by our theory of the game being multiball, because if the game is multiball as we suspect, then Morning Tweet's effort has an obvious explanation: MT can still be super-town by scumhunting for another scum function.

More than that from mollie will have to wait until D3, but I'll share some of my own thoughts.
In contrast to mollie, I do admit; I had an instant read on Morning Tweet's posts: That MT was a power-wolf, in that MT's posts looked good, looked town, but that MT was still scum in spite of how good her posts looked.

That having been said
, there's something REALLY important to address:

The disingenuous-as-fuck take from Pooky.

Because guess what?

I've got basically zero reads in the game.
I think that the Aristophanes slot is still more likely town than not.
I think that Almost50 is still more likely town than not.
I think that Skybird is still more likely town than not.
I, loosely, still believe RR has a high chance of being town albeit not to the same extent as the above three.
I,
very
loosely, still vaguely think Titus to be town, albeit not to the same extent as the above four.
Per the above, I have an overwhelmingly strong gut read that Morning Tweet is a powerwolf, efforting-scum. (Sorry MT, I don't know
what
gave me that strong of a gut read on you but it's literally one of my strongest gutreads I've ever gotten.)

And I have since come to believe that mollie's theory was spot-on (tho I can't out it). But the theory I believe now which was mollie, I didn't believe at the time of our 1666.

At the time I posted that, guess what?

While I had the 5 moderate-to-weak townreads and the scumread on MT?

The rest, and this is why Pooky's posting was disigenuous-as-fuck, the rest of what was said, the entirety of 1666?

That wasn't from me.

That was from PIRATE MOLLIE.

So Pooky was being disingenuous-as-fuck by trying to say "mastina's reads are never right especially on me"--guess what? I didn't have a read on you at all at that point, Pooky. That read was 100% entirely pirate mollie's read and it wasn't until Pooky pushed it as "mastina is always wrong on me" that I got a scumread on you because again, disingenuous as fuck. I'm not playing solo, here. In fact, pirate mollie has done far more work than *I* have.

I've struggled to get reads of any notable strength in this game; basically most of the game is varying shades of null. Heck, during my most busy time I literally went a full week without reading the game! So OBVIOUSLY I am not the one driving our reads here, and IF it were MY read I'd even agree with Pooky! Not to trust me, because when I'm not operating at 100% capacity, my reads tend to not be as good. So I WOULDN'T trust my reads!

But the "please kill Pooky" wasn't from me.

It was
directly from pirate mollie
.

Most of our slot right now isn't me. I'm the mouthpiece for pirate mollie. I'm
submitting
the posts, sure! But while I'm writing the posts and submitting them, make no mistake: a good 80% of what is being said is not MY beliefs. Not MY input. It's ~80% PIRATE MOLLIE.

And don't you fucking DARE disrespect pirate mollie by pretending pirate mollie is me and that mollie's reads suck as much as mine do when pirate mollie is this active, this invested. mollie's literally been quoting posts as they happen with commentary as if playing live. They are VERY much in the game, playing it, more than I am, so you DON'T disrespect their reads like that
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Post Post #1911 (isolation #61) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:28 pm

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Taroumaru has died, he was...


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Day 3 starts now
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Post Post #1912 (isolation #62) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:30 pm

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votecount 3.0
Dwlee99 (1) :
Hated


Not Voting (11) : Almost50 ; Dwlee99 ; Yuki Takeya ; The Worst ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Morning Tweet ; Enchant ; Titus ; PookyTheMagicalBear ; Radical Rat

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-13 05:30:46), it takes 6 votes to execute someone
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #63) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:22 am

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The 2 mastinas have been revived
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Post Post #2180 (isolation #64) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:31 pm

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votecount 3.1
Pookythemagicalbear (4) :
the 2 mastinas ; Enchant ; titus ; The Worst
The Worst (3) :
Morning Tweet ; Almost50 ; Pookythemagicalbear
Radical Rat (1) :
Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (1) :
Hated


Not Voting (4) : Yuki Takeya ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Radical Rat

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Post Post #2294 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:16 am

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votecount 3.2
The Worst (6) :
Morning Tweet ; Almost50 ; Pookythemagicalbear ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Yuki Takeya
Exe-1

Yuki Takeya (3) :
The 2 Mastinas ; Enchant ; Titus
Pookythemagicalbear (1) :
The Worst
Dwlee99 (1) :
Hated


Not Voting (2) : Radical Rat ; Dwlee99 ; Titus

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-13 05:30:46), it takes 7 votes to execute someone
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Post Post #2366 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:43 pm

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votecount 3.2
The Worst (7) :
Morning Tweet ; Almost50 ; Pookythemagicalbear ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Yuki Takeya ; Dwlee99
Yuki Takeya (3) :
The 2 Mastinas ; Enchant ; Titus
Pookythemagicalbear (1) :
The Worst
Dwlee99 (1) :
Hated


Not Voting (2) : Radical Rat ; Titus

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Post Post #2367 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:45 pm

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The Worst has been Executed, he was...


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The Sorcerer of Death


Each night, you can target a deceased player that you didn't target previously, if they had any active ability you can choose to perform it on a player of your choosing

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The Kingdom
Survive to see all threats to them dead

the game thread is here


Night 3 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-11-06 03:45:12)
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Post Post #2368 (isolation #68) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:27 am

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Night 3 has ended... Titus has died, she was


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Every night starting from night 2, you may check if someone is aligned with you, but if any player unaligned with you also visits your target, this will disturb the check and make them appear as guilty

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Day 4 starts Now
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Post Post #2371 (isolation #69) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:35 am

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votecount 3.0
Dwlee99 (2) :
Hated ; Hated


Not Voting (10) : Almost50 ; Dwlee99 ; Yuki Takeya ; The 2 Mastinas ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Morning Tweet ; Enchant ; PookyTheMagicalBear ; Radical Rat

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-19 15:35:15), it takes 6 votes to execute someone
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Post Post #2544 (isolation #70) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:31 pm

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Post Post #2545 (isolation #71) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:37 pm

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votecount 4.1
Enchant (3) :
Radical Rat ; Morning Tweet ; Pookythemagicalbear
Dwlee99 (2) :
Hated ; Hated


Not Voting (10) : Almost50 ; Dwlee99 ; Yuki Takeya ; The 2 Mastinas ; Gamma Emerald ; Skybird ; Enchant

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-19 15:35:15), it takes 6 votes to execute someone


(Dwlee99 hated stack was badly showed ftr)
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Post Post #2708 (isolation #72) » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:43 am

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ugh...

i really outdid myself there

Dwlee's hated stack was wronglly counted, and i think the game's basically compromised past the point of playability there

game over i guess, sorry everyone :/
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Post Post #2713 (isolation #73) » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:51 am

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In post 2709, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2706, Enchant wrote:Almost50 can we skip humiliation phase to where you vote me
Vote you??? Dwlee has been HAMMERED already.

P-edit: Oh, GREAT! Thank you Gypyx.

my highest apologies, this game just hasn't been working for me, even the basic stuff i screwed up for some reasons :/
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Post Post #2716 (isolation #74) » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:55 am

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for maximum immersion i modded like a bot we'll say

once again sorry everyone, i'll try to release stuff when i stop hating myself
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Post Post #2725 (isolation #75) » Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:17 am

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yeah thanks for the kind word everyone, just the initial shock that kinda gave a bad mood
In post 2722, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:how can a bot hate itself
scifi authors would tell you that's absolutely possible lol
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Post Post #2732 (isolation #76) » Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:58 am

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In post 2728, Radical Rat wrote:Well, I had fun, in spite of everything. I am very curious what the raw input/output for the AI was
it's in the mod PT

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12922014
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Post Post #2753 (isolation #77) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:11 am

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