AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

[MegAzumarill]

Hello my fellow kingdom members.

All investigation actions on me fail btw so I can take hammers that Dwlee can/won't.

[MegAzumarill]

Also mod forgot to put me as a player at first.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: A50

mega water mouse

Those are fighting words

[MegAzumarill]

MEGA. WATER. MOUSE.

VOTE: momrangal


>:C

[MegAzumarill]

Obviously we turbo momrangal ez

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: A50

I also suspect scum between dwee and mega water mouse

Also Radical rat town

In all seriousness why do you think one of me/dwlee is scum?

[MegAzumarill]

Is it ever wise to massclaim what flavor we picked?
Considering then we know the names of the town/scum roles and can work from there.

[MegAzumarill]

No we don’t???? I saw nothing about scum roles

I mean I was told to give an alignment for my flavor pick. Was it not the same with you guys?

[MegAzumarill]

All it said was role name

Yeah I didn't think it was that way, although I did have to have a conversation with the mod about my pick because they couldn't think of a role coming from it. (I think just do to how the AI works IDK) That's when the alignment came up and they said to give one.

[MegAzumarill]

Also what are your guy's take on the chance the 2 mastina's get self-revived.

I'd put it at 90%.

[MegAzumarill]

You saw through my scheme to take the pagetop.
Curse you!

Spoiler: Hisses angrily

[MegAzumarill]

I pick my images without a shadow of a doubt.
Good night folks.

[MegAzumarill]

Well if there is a role in play that is likely a universal miller, it makes sense to be a town role.

[MegAzumarill]

@KT the setup gets randomized so you usually don't get your own pick.

[MegAzumarill]

Hi 57 I'm MegAzumarill

[MegAzumarill]

I think turboing momrangal is a good place to start.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean legitimately we need to get some action and its as good as any.

Doesn't really make a difference who

[MegAzumarill]

I mean not particularly.

[MegAzumarill]

Or I can just keep my vote on momrangal

[MegAzumarill]

They called me a water mouse

[MegAzumarill]

If no one else has claimed miller and I take all hammers there will be no red checks brushed away

Investigation actions fail on me so I can take hammers if push comes to shove

[MegAzumarill]

Im not ascetic it is specifically investigative abilities.

[MegAzumarill]

Okie dokie.. so you can be protected, jailed, tracked.. etc?

I don't think I can be tracked. Either way I can't visit.

[MegAzumarill]

It says any investigation targeting me will fail, and that I am unaffected by any investigation.
So I assume I can't be copped/watched/tracked/ etc.

Any kind of indirect investigation may or may not work, honestly don't know.

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For the record I gave a town-aligned pick.

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Just hard scumread everyone calling me a water mouse ez

[MegAzumarill]

Lmao

[MegAzumarill]

Well, carry on then. I'm sure I'll figure out how to read it eventually

That is the fun part.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean its mostly accurate -_()_-

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Kitty

I enjoy me a good cfd.

[MegAzumarill]

I'll be taking this

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MegA, who is hitting your scum radar besides Mom.

Don't have much in the way of reads right now.
I have some thoughts I'll try to get sorted but nothing directional now.

Mom isn't pinging my scum radar RN though.

[MegAzumarill]

Almost50 Umwd feel town.
RR gives off scumvibes.
Not rereading 300 RVS posts again to try and sieve a crumbly read at best without good reasons

[MegAzumarill]

Game has started moving in the last few pages.

RR interaction with Unwd didn't feel right.

[MegAzumarill]

*Sad not double voter noises*

[MegAzumarill]

Oh
VOTE: Ari

Difn't you look at the mod's post to see where you vote was? All you have to say is "oh"? You are scum.

VOTE: dwlee

Weird reason to add the vote now

[MegAzumarill]

Exactly my thoughts

I'd have given her a vote, but rereading her iso reminded me she has been wary of you for a while.

[MegAzumarill]

I'm going to need to start from scratch. I remember notning about this game

You called me a water mouse and got the wagon you deserved.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: A50

I also suspect scum between dwee and mega water mouse

Also Radical rat town

In all seriousness why do you think one of me/dwlee is scum?

Oh he

Mechanically, it seems weird to have two uni Miller's when a role makes uni millers but... Idk, if you were gonna use it to your advantage I don't think you would let this info fall?by rje wayside

Dont quite follow

[MegAzumarill]

Warning: bad opinion incoming

I dont really like Kop's entrance all that much

[MegAzumarill]

Warning: bad opinion incoming

I dont really like Kop's entrance all that much

On second read change this to strongly dislike.

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Kop's entrance is bad because they used a lot of words to say basically nothing

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A50, I understand what you are saying in post 424 but it bugs me. Do you want to vote Mom and Kitty just to save the mod some trouble or do you have an alternative motif?

I have nothing else against Kitty tbh. Mom however is another story. This game opened on September 20 (check Yuki's 1st post). Mom contributed 5 posts since, none of which I'd call a good post. OK.. to save me a lot of tricky talk that could have me step on the wrong side of the rules.. have a look:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php? ... 0&sr=posts

I mean I think the worms problem is real, but what of the time between this game started and she found out about the dogs problem?

But yeah, activity is key for both. We can't afford 2 inactive slots because that would hinder our abilities to wagon someone we suspect is scum, so even if they're Town they're dead weight, and I'd rather get rid of them sooner than later (I hope there's a Vig out there, so we can treat D2 as if it was D1 in a 15-players game and move on)

I'd rather push for replacements, if possible. I do agree with the points that you made about the deadweight being a problem, but if they are town, then I would actually like them to be replaced and show that they are town. If they are scum, then great but it still doesn't help because we can't draw any associations because they never contributed, or socialized with anyone, that could help us find partners. But yeah, if it went down that road, we can treat day 2 as day 1, effectively, but would rather replacements, than wasting kills.

I'm going to try and ignore most claims because they're not provable. Doesn't matter if you claim whatever Dwlee did it's bastard and anything goes. Radical claiming they know dwlee is town because aforementioned reasons is white noise to me. As it stands, I'm not getting a feel for what people want because it's mostly revolved around the setup itself. I think it should be treated as secondary at best. My reasoning is on the fact (I believe I've said this before, so if you've been in a game with me prepare to hear the same spiel!) mechanical play is very easy to hide behind and talk about.

For context, I just lost a recent game (Bloodstained) where I had scum in my crosshairs. Town got distracted by mechanical proceedings and it ended up with me being treated as an enemy of the state for wanting to do my fucking job. Two slots got close to cleared and we let ourselves get blindsided. Titus was in that game and can attest to my claims. In short-- Let's not do that again.

I'm probably out of touch in terms of how mafia is played nowadays. But back in my time, being a miller, logical play is to come out with it early, to prevent any WIFOM later in the day, if he is investigated. But he could easily be hiding behind a fake claim, so I'm not going to read him as town, until he shows his hand and shows that he is town. He also doesn't get that universal town read because RR said that role was the one he submitted. They both could easily be scum, in this situation.

Spoiler:

Documenting thoughts in a notepad that I'll be slowly revealing over time

Don't like reading? Too fucking bad. Time to be a selfish bastard

I'm going to try and ignore most claims because they're not provable. Doesn't matter if you claim whatever Dwlee did it's bastard and anything goes. Radical claiming they know dwlee is town because aforementioned reasons is white noise to me. As it stands, I'm not getting a feel for what people want because it's mostly revolved around the setup itself. I think it should be treated as secondary at best. My reasoning is on the fact (I believe I've said this before, so if you've been in a game with me prepare to hear the same spiel!) mechanical play is very easy to hide behind and talk about.

For context, I just lost a recent game (Bloodstained) where I had scum in my crosshairs. Town got distracted by mechanical proceedings and it ended up with me being treated as an enemy of the state for wanting to do my fucking job. Two slots got close to cleared and we let ourselves get blindsided. Titus was in that game and can attest to my claims. In short-- Let's not do that again.

I actually missed that you were voting in tandem with A50.

Do you have any independent leanings? I don't mind the attempts to give out reads, I would read most of those as well-meaning as I'm pretty sure the lack of anything is just nervous scum

Probably says more about what type of team we're dealing with

@unwnd - it's really nitpicky of me, but the wordiness at times strikes me as fluff/over-deliberation. It could literally just be the way you write

I like to write. I like to express myself and Mafia is a good compartment to try and deliver my thoughts in interesting ways. However, the game is more shallow than a kiddie pool right now. I looked at this game, saw it was a large theme and thought we'd be at 1000 posts in 2 days because that's how things goes these days.

To my surprise, we are instead not anywhere close. My initial claims were self-serving observations that were meant to try and get the game going. And believe me, I don't mind a slow pace, but the play that is going on isn't necessarily methodical or anything to dig into. That being said, you putting some degree of effort (even if it's just quoting my posts) is...fine. Yet I want to get past just feeling fine or feeling 'meh' about multiple things and that just isn't happening.

Do you think I as scum would want to give myself attention in a stagnant game?

The game is indeed slow, do I see scum giving themselves attention by trying to move the game forward? There is that slight chance, but I don't see it.

I can see scum liking it where everybody just seems to be socializing as it would be far easier to blend in, and not draw any warranted attention. But there is that slight chance that scum can see this as an opportunity to take the lead, but that would leave it harder for them to hide later in the game, if they survive. Scum won't like vocal players and town will get paranoid to why that person is still alive.

Driveby lazy thoughts

I think Skybird Gamma(?) A50 are town

I lean town on Dwlee but need to see them latch onto something before fully

I think you elim in RR/Aristo/ND/Yuki you probably fidd a good amount of scum

I did my read up slightly wrong and over reading through a few things again, I think my reads are nearly as close to yours, but with Skybird being an exception.

If anyone has played with Toura, is this his normal playstyle? Because I over read his ISO, and I think I'll find it hard to read that slot. But I'm not going to go for it right now, as I don't agree with going for low hanging fruit.

This post in particular is a lot of nothing

[MegAzumarill]

I would be fine hammering skybird/rr but I actually would still like a kop elimination here.

[MegAzumarill]

I stand by my vote on kop here. The entrance screams scum to me.


As for other people I could probably hand out some reads but for the most part its middling.

[MegAzumarill]

I will hammer almost any DL wagon if it comes too close, but I'd like a Kop elim today if possible.

[MegAzumarill]

Meg should not be allowed to hammer.
Investigation immunity is a unique and verifiable property, and overriding that with Miller makes that claim unverifiable.

In Dwlee's case, however, if they're lying, they're scum anyway, so becoming a Miller would change nothing.

It wouldn't overide as far as I'm aware. The invest actions would still fail.

If I get investigated successfully as anything I should be limmed anyway.

[MegAzumarill]

What does investigation immunity mean? Are investigative actions on you treated as if they are roleblocked or do they return to most favorable outcome?

Investigative actions on me fail. (I.e. as if roleblocked)

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I'm struggling with that Kop's posts are more, philosophical(?) than direct thoughts. I have to assume it's primarily a posting style thing, but it makes him seem fencesitty in most of his opinions.

It feels to me almost completely noncommittal. Reeks of scum trying to add "content" by adding squat

[MegAzumarill]

Welcome back from the grave, if only for a moment

[MegAzumarill]

IC post restricted treestump

This game is weird

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VOTE: Ari

Throw us a claim

@Everyone I don't like this lim over kop, but I'm not against it. No0 use delaying it.

[MegAzumarill]

Retributionist from ToS intensifies

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Its at E-1 my guy

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VOTE: Radical

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Too close to dl for me to be picky

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We did get a 24 hour extension but that time can go quickly.

How does everyone feel about the SB9 slot? I could vote there or RR.

The problem with that flip is if it's town we gain nothing.
If its scum we still get no info but a scum is dead

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VOTE: Kop

Wait this wagon is actually going.

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@Meg:

Before this wagon even starts on me, I can prove my role and I can prove its town.

I don't see why we should yeet this on D1. We can always come back to it on D2. I mean, this is no Normal Game, so we shouldn't fear "Scum 1-shot bla bla"

Oh yeah now I remember why I left the wagon in the first place.

VOTE: RR

Forgot Kop claimed IC.

[MegAzumarill]

RR we will want a claim at some point.

Not nessacarily now but better you give it before you die than not, I suppose

[MegAzumarill]

If you aren't online when you are put to e-1 you may get hammered before then this close to dl.

Do when you feel is best

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: DOTW

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UNVOTE:

I will be back to hammer

[MegAzumarill]

He claimed macho townie
Its e-1 now

[MegAzumarill]

You should hammer

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VOTE: DoTW

Because I'm paranoid we miscounted