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[MargotRosa]

Hey all, apologies I missed game start. Have been a bit wrapped up in the Diablo 2 launch :/

[MargotRosa]

I am genuinely keen for this, and have just been in the middle of oversleeping and over-excited to play my new remastered Paladin

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I'm going to come to Dwlee's defence and say that they would know that I generally try to play very proactively, and therefore it is odd for me to be radio silent for the first 26 pages. Totally valid to scum read me for that

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@margot

Spoiler:

how is it? I don't know if I wanted to spend the $40...do you think its worth it? Did you get it on cpu or X-box?

Spoiler: @Nero

If you like Diablo 2, then yes. There's nothing especially new, it jsut looks a lot nicer, a lot of fantastic light touch QoL changes, and the playerbase is much beefier than it has been for a long time. If you can't stand Diablo, then it won't change your mind.

[MargotRosa]

Omg, please don't lol. I will be back and properly engaged tonight. My partner is having a rough one and I'm making them a cake and taking it over to make them feel better, so I can't engage earlier than that

[MargotRosa]

I know this all looks super sus and what have you, but I am legitimately just Having a few days worth of ADHD meets minor personal crises for my partner and family all at the same time. You should not vote me out so I can tell you all about it

[MargotRosa]

ok like imma be real I MYSELF WANTED T OVOTE MARGOT BC I WAS LIKE YEAH I TOWNREAD SO MANY ACTIVE SLOTS
and i wanted to start off with pressure on them

but then kyouko was like *let me piss off koba*

and now we're here and kyouko is like basically buried atp

This made me jump a little, because my initials after Margot is BC, and felt a bit spied on.

Dwlee is Town. I think there is scum hiding in the last few pages, but can't put my finger on whether it's Loftwing or someone else. Is 793 and 794 supposed to suggest that someone is 'caught' as scum? I don't know why I don't believe that, but I don't.

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my best friend in middle school was polish and I had a crush on his sister

can ppl tell me why they are town reading LQ?

LQ is deifnitely Town from my perspective. Their game is completely different from scum games I've played with them in the past, in ways that are so completely different as to be more than just an act

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Just personally, and speaking as someone whose life is all over the place rn, I don't think trying to work out if vacation time and V/LA is AI or not is especially fruitful

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When I actually null read a slot in a game I express that I dont think theres anything conclusive but let the wagon build on them and watch rather than shade people on the wagon

I have let the wagon build, and I saw that the wagon was trash. It's not "shading those on the wagon" it's pointing out that the wagon is trash and some main proponents on it are scummy.

It's not "shading people on the wagon", it's pointing out that the wagon is bad and those on it are bad. It's not shading if I

explicitly

say that you are scummy. That's pretty much the exact opposite of shading.

This is not a good post.

Loftwing, why is the wagon bad?
What are the scummy things I'm doing that imply I have a scummy thought process?

I.e. I dont give a shit what actions you think are scummy because thats level 1 reading - Why are the actions linked to a scum agenda and improbable to be towny?

The Kyouko Wagon is bad because the two main proponents of it (You and NorwEE) are. in my eyes, very scummy and trying to strongarm the wagon into existence. I don't know whether or not you two are T/S or S/S, but I am very sure that at least one of you two are scum, and have either pocketed the other, or are working together to grab the game by the tail and drag it along to wherever you want it to go.

Take, for example, a very simple question recently asked by Nero Cain:

What's the case on SSBM besides posting elsewhere?

Neither you nor NorwEE have answered yet, despite it being a simple question to answer. Do you not have an answer, do you not want to answer, or did you just not see fit to answer it?

But that's something small and in the present. Maybe neither of you didn't want to answer right now because you were busy. Let's move on to another point.
I've already stated in the past that NorwEE shouldn't be listened to (and indirectly scumreading them) so I already had a scumread on them, but then you seem to just vibe with them, and are on the same wavelength. I don't know if this is because you're trying to pocket them, if they're pocketing you, or if you two are both scum. I don't know, but all I do know is that one of the two of you are defo scum. You two working together leaves a dry slate-on-the-tounge feel in my mouth.
Pocketing or vibing with eachother is a scummy thing to do, and would definitely be something that scum would want to do. After all, it's much better to drum up support for a bad wagon if players trust you.

Next is your defense of Dwlee. I don't know why you think Dwlee, or anyone else, voting a noposter is actually town behaviour. I don't care why you think that. All I know is that that is incorrect. It is not town behaviour, it is antitown behaviour.
Think of it like this: Say Dwlee's bandwagoning worked and we got Margot to E-2 before they even got on. How would you expect any player to react to being driven to E-2? I would expect poor performance of towniness from a noposter, because they have a wagon on them with the very real threat of axing. You're put under immense pressure and told that if you don't act pro-town we will kill you, which is hard to do when you're under the threat of axing.
Basically, I would expect Margot to act poorly and get axed, regardless of their alignment, and maybe even regardless of their role. If Margot was a power role, we might have accidentally axed a PR Day 1, because they looked scummy when put under immense pressure.
And what do you do? You defend Dwlee's actions. You say that this was actually a pro-town thing to do. That this was actually something you would expect town, not scum, to do. I'm not buying it. That is bullshit. That is indicative of you WKing Dwlee against me, which is something a scum player would do to gain followers, which again, makes your actions more popular, regardless of what they are.

My dinner is ready, so I'm going to go eat. But this is just one part of why I think the wagon is bad. It's messy and imprecise, but I think it gets my thoughts across.

This is also not a good post.

lol caught scum.

This post is abysmal.

Like you saying we are scummy for strongarming a wagon is literally a clown take. Like its so bad that no one here is going to even entertain it - so have fun with that.

Neither of us are scum. If anything I would be the one having Norwee pocketed because I have never been pocketed by Norwee but I have done the reverse - and I know I am town. So you're going to need to lock that shit into as you think I'm 100% scum.

I think you are trying to save Kyouko at all costs and I want competing wagons between you and Kyouko now. Let's see how much harder you try to push a 3rd, easier target.


Yes - townies can have illogical takes, but this is clearly not the case - but you are trying to pass off a scumread on us while insisting you nullread Kyouko - With me knowing Kyouko is firmly within her scumrange, this is most probable to be you trying to look good off the Kyouko flip and not a genuine take on the slot. A townie would actually more naturally confirm if they thought Norwee and/or I was scum, that Kyouko was spewed town.

Loftwing has shown no thought processes and his progression is jarring. he goes from 1 thought to the other when convenient.
All he is interested in is saving Kyouko but he tries to lie about it, which is indicative of a scum TMI on Kyouko's alignment as their partner.

Kyouko->Loftwing 2 easy scum.

Dkk is Town lock.

VOTE: Loftwing[/vote]

[MargotRosa]

I have done the mismatching braces way too many times at this point

VOTE: Loftwing

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Could you elaborate on your thought process, Margot?

Sure. Buckle up though, this will be a long one.

When I actually null read a slot in a game I express that I dont think theres anything conclusive but let the wagon build on them and watch rather than shade people on the wagon

I have let the wagon build, and I saw that the wagon was trash. It's not "shading those on the wagon" it's pointing out that the wagon is trash and some main proponents on it are scummy.

It's not "shading people on the wagon", it's pointing out that the wagon is bad and those on it are bad. It's not shading if I

explicitly

say that you are scummy. That's pretty much the exact opposite of shading.

This is not a good post.

This was not a good post.

You're argument seems to rely on the fact that your reads lists are totally meaningless, and no-one should take them seriously. Furthermore, you seem to think that creating pressure is scum indicative, which is a weird and frustrating way to play mafia. It comes back to another post you've made, that I haven't addressed explicitly yet:

Loftwing, why is the wagon bad?
What are the scummy things I'm doing that imply I have a scummy thought process?

I.e. I dont give a shit what actions you think are scummy because thats level 1 reading - Why are the actions linked to a scum agenda and improbable to be towny?

The Kyouko Wagon is bad because the two main proponents of it (You and NorwEE) are. in my eyes, very scummy and trying to strongarm the wagon into existence. I don't know whether or not you two are T/S or S/S, but I am very sure that at least one of you two are scum, and have either pocketed the other, or are working together to grab the game by the tail and drag it along to wherever you want it to go.

Take, for example, a very simple question recently asked by Nero Cain:

What's the case on SSBM besides posting elsewhere?

Neither you nor NorwEE have answered yet, despite it being a simple question to answer. Do you not have an answer, do you not want to answer, or did you just not see fit to answer it?

But that's something small and in the present. Maybe neither of you didn't want to answer right now because you were busy. Let's move on to another point.
I've already stated in the past that NorwEE shouldn't be listened to (and indirectly scumreading them) so I already had a scumread on them, but then you seem to just vibe with them, and are on the same wavelength. I don't know if this is because you're trying to pocket them, if they're pocketing you, or if you two are both scum. I don't know, but all I do know is that one of the two of you are defo scum. You two working together leaves a dry slate-on-the-tounge feel in my mouth.
Pocketing or vibing with eachother is a scummy thing to do, and would definitely be something that scum would want to do. After all, it's much better to drum up support for a bad wagon if players trust you.

Next is your defense of Dwlee. I don't know why you think Dwlee, or anyone else, voting a noposter is actually town behaviour. I don't care why you think that. All I know is that that is incorrect. It is not town behaviour, it is antitown behaviour.
Think of it like this: Say Dwlee's bandwagoning worked and we got Margot to E-2 before they even got on. How would you expect any player to react to being driven to E-2? I would expect poor performance of towniness from a noposter, because they have a wagon on them with the very real threat of axing. You're put under immense pressure and told that if you don't act pro-town we will kill you, which is hard to do when you're under the threat of axing.
Basically, I would expect Margot to act poorly and get axed, regardless of their alignment, and maybe even regardless of their role. If Margot was a power role, we might have accidentally axed a PR Day 1, because they looked scummy when put under immense pressure.
And what do you do? You defend Dwlee's actions. You say that this was actually a pro-town thing to do. That this was actually something you would expect town, not scum, to do. I'm not buying it. That is bullshit. That is indicative of you WKing Dwlee against me, which is something a scum player would do to gain followers, which again, makes your actions more popular, regardless of what they are.

I have myself defended Dwlee here. I think it makes a lot of sense for Dwlee to vote for me, given the fact that I am, generally speaking, pretty assertive in my Mafia gameplay. As such, it makes a lot of sense to out pressure on my slot. To say I was at risk of being eliminated, when it takes 9 to eliminate d1, is farcical. To say that pressure may have come out of e-2 is true, but that's entirely the point.

Being against pressure, or seeing any attempt to generate pressure as being scummy is at the very least anti-Town, if not genuinely scum indicative

[MargotRosa]

I want more from Kyouko. They are junk food and I want to eat them.

Also this post is fukn wild given everything that occurred over the last ~10 pages

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Sorry all. Cheeky relationship breakdown

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Just to keep everyone in the loop, I have asked to be replaced due to a surprise breakup of a five year long relationship. Very upset, and not really capable of keeping track of 15 other people rn. Take care xx

[MargotRosa]

Apologies for flaking