Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[House]

I joined this game to be able to

VOTE: KidAmn

Wake being in it was a nice bonus.

[House]

Unwnd's aggressiveness right out of the gate is giving me townpings.

Pooky is obviously meming, but unwnd doesn't seem concerned about falling under scrutiny for going all serious sauce.

I like.

[House]

Teeny tiny townping from Megazumarill btw

Why? I get the opposite vibe.

The question is pretty passive.

[House]

Actually both of those games you claimed cult you were scum if I think about it

it's actually 3 games out of 3 which is why your reaction is lol so bad

Why do I join your cult if you're evil

the better question is why did it take you this long to go "wait pooky does this when he's scum"

if your reaction had been


VOTE: Pooky I'm not dealing with his bullshit again kill kill kill


it would've made more sense than you dismissing me as a trolling town player :3

Eh, that's fair, I guess.

I like my take, but I can see why you have yours.

[House]

Takes a minute to fire up the neurons sometimes

I wouldn't vote you regardless of alignment because this is just asking for my attention either way

Oh.

Well, then.

VOTE: unwnd

You have my attention.

[House]

[House]

The only players I know a bit are House, Dwlee, and Jake/Loftwing.

VOTE: kazyan

So you list those of us you know, but vote an unknown?

I feel neglected.

[House]

Pooks is more silly than scummy

So you abandon a perfectly good reason to push him in order to sort him and write him off as silly instead of scummy?

Do you already know his alignment?

[House]

The only players I know a bit are House, Dwlee, and Jake/Loftwing.

VOTE: kazyan

So you list those of us you know, but vote an unknown?

I feel neglected.

OK OK fine.

VOTE: House

Now we're in familiar territory!

[House]

Pooks is more silly than scummy

So you abandon a perfectly good reason to push him in order to sort him and write him off as silly instead of scummy?

Do you already know his alignment?

Pooky flirts with me

I already gave my reason. He does it as either alignment and there was no point to be made where I mentioned the cult thing, it was a cheeky callback and playing along lol

Granted, I don't know the preexisting relationship that may exist between you two, but you seemed sus when you mentioned he was scum the last 2 times he claimed cult.

Then he corrected your count to 3.

Were you not at all curious that this might be 4?

[House]

Teeny tiny townping from Megazumarill btw

Why? I get the opposite vibe.

The question is pretty passive.

It felt like the way town would react to seeing Pooky for the first time off-the-cuff; I'd think scum would come at Pooky more seriously simply due to sheer confusion, because scum tries to blend in and a room is hard to read when there's a bear breakdancing in the middle of it

I mean... maybe?

Flash reads of players admittedly isn't my strong suit (I have precious few of those, unfortunately), but I'm trying to learn.

[House]

Pooks is more silly than scummy

So you abandon a perfectly good reason to push him in order to sort him and write him off as silly instead of scummy?

Do you already know his alignment?

Pooky flirts with me

I already gave my reason. He does it as either alignment and there was no point to be made where I mentioned the cult thing, it was a cheeky callback and playing along lol

Granted, I don't know the preexisting relationship that may exist between you two, but you seemed sus when you mentioned he was scum the last 2 times he claimed cult.

Then he corrected your count to 3.

Were you not at all curious that this might be 4?

If pooky wants to loltroll and eventually got boxed in by people being townier than him then like

He's doing the job for me?

That's one take, I suppose.

I tend to lean town on people that do wild, weird shit right out of the gate because the reactions are informative (in my opinion, at least)

That's why I have always been a fan of Slayer's Gambit.

[House]

+town for wanting to solve, but holy crap don't try to learn from me. I'm generally okay at townreads, but really really bad at scumreads.

I'd be skeptical of the validity of your take during the game even if I respected you as a strong town player tbh, because I don't know your alignment.

Regardless of your alignment, however, it's still food for thought.

Interactions and identifying nuance are alien to me because I'm not a neurotypical person, so things that most people can naturally infer are learned behavior for me.

[House]

(that's one reason i was so abrasive/hostile the last time i was here... I was misunderstood and didn't want to open up to people about why I am the way I am because I'm generally a private person)

[House]

The only players I know a bit are House, Dwlee, and Jake/Loftwing.

VOTE: kazyan

So you list those of us you know, but vote an unknown?

I feel neglected.

VOTE: House

Here's a vote, on the house.

Do I know you from before, Jake?

[House]

VOTE: House

I'd vote unwnd if I had a second vote

Why would you vote unwnd? I've lost confidence in my own vote here and have been waiting for something interesting to happen, personally.

[House]

Unless you were on before ~2020, nope.

Your vote makes no sense in regards to the posts you quoted, considering there is no familiarity, there

Why the vote?

[House]

I woke up feeling like tepid poop

Someone tell me what the fuck is happen.

I joined this game to be able to

VOTE: KidAmn

Wake being in it was a nice bonus.

I hate so much about the person you choose to be. Wait, wrong US TV series with a middle-aged socially inept male lead.

Dr. House is an awesome character.

[House]

Takes a minute to fire up the neurons sometimes

I wouldn't vote you regardless of alignment because this is just asking for my attention either way

Oh.

Well, then.

VOTE: unwnd

You have my attention.

I don't understand what this post changed about your read

I was initially townreading him for putting himself out there without being concerned about scrutiny, and then he states a disinterest in getting atte... nvm, misread the post.

[House]

Things are alright. I'm excited to be in a Shea game again. Other than that I'm just kinda chilling, doing college and whatnot. How about you?

Also I think house is evil

I'm always evil.

I just can't ever get the role pm to match.

[House]

Things are alright. I'm excited to be in a Shea game again. Other than that I'm just kinda chilling, doing college and whatnot. How about you?

Also I think house is evil

I'm always evil.

I just can't ever get the role pm to match.

This game is your lucky chance

Wait, alignments change?

[House]

VOTE: House

I'd vote unwnd if I had a second vote

Why would you vote unwnd? I've lost confidence in my own vote here and have been waiting for something interesting to happen, personally.

I will answer your question momentarily.

Can you explain why exactly you lost confidence in your vote? What did unwnd do that was towny?

Not really what he did. More what he didn't do.

There was no defensiveness/deflection/ghosting. He didn't shy away from my suspicion, and his responses felt genuine.

[House]

okay to be honest I read your interaction as SvS

it felt like you were throwing unwnd softball questions and unwnd was answering them in a way that showed seemed to show 0 curiosity for your alignment but rather just to interact with you because you posted @ unwnd

granted that is my 2am gut read coming into full force but it felt like both sides there were a little performative

I mean, not exactly performative on my part, so much as perfunctory.

I poke people with sticks to kinda get things rolling, but i have zero confidence in my ability to "zomg nail ze scumz" right out of the gate, so I view it as greasing the wheels.

[House]

Also, softball questions?

What hard hitting interrogation tactics should i be using the first few pages of a game?

Wuh?

[House]

Stump Unwnd with Calculus.

Trig would work on me.

Thank Ganesh Algebra was as high as math went when I was in school. (Shut up)

[House]

Since I'm expositing, I guess I'll also mention that I am trying to learn to communicate in good faith, so that's one reason I'm not jumping right out of the gate jumping at shadows to call people scum.

Not saying I'm not going to have scumreads this game, by any means. Just that it's not going to be my default assumption.

It's... difficult to change something that's basically a part of who I am (suspecting the worst from people), because that approach has never looked to disappointment. It has, however, alienated me from good people. So, I'm trying something new.

[House]

Since I'm expositing, I guess I'll also mention that I am trying to learn to communicate in good faith, so that's one reason I'm not jumping right out of the gate jumping at shadows to call people scum.

Not saying I'm not going to have scumreads this game, by any means. Just that it's not going to be my default assumption.

It's... difficult to change something that's basically a part of who I am (suspecting the worst from people), because that approach has never led* to disappointment. It has, however, alienated me from good people. So, I'm trying something new.

[House]

Anywho, it looks like the unwnd wagon is actually becoming a thing, so

UNVOTE:

[House]

Kazyan makes more sense for an unwnd partner IMO than House

I like Dannflor on this page

Tentatively agreed on Dannflor. Why do you suspect unwnd?

[House]

have you not read anything I've posted

Probably not, as I've been engaged elsewhere.

Sorry, I'll check it out after Kazyan. Off the top of my head, his post asking to be recruited gives me slight town pings, because I think it shows a lack of concern about *actually* being recruited that scum might have if there's actually a cult leader in this game (which multiple people seem to be buying into? Or not? Idk)

[House]

It looked like you were pushing the wagon along without having a reason to do so, just a repeat of the RVS vote

I guess nothing, but it seemed like a scummy way to do it

Nothing's wrong with it but it's scummy? How so?

Nothing wrong with pushing a wagon in general, but if you do it with a naked vote that says "kill", it looks dishonest

Like, this looks like something I would do... have an idea about why something doesn't intrinsically feel right, but have to work out how to put it into words.

I think scum!Kazyan would have just spit out his answer in one post.

[House]

so this is the last game i played against my homie unwnd:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87367


if you read his iso in that, he is on me like white on rice but I troll him into hammering me and he ends up eating some rope cuz I'm actually a beloved princess.

his decision to let me slip away on D1 is like pretty important and changes the course of the game somewhat and you can kinda tell from his ragey getting elimmed flailing that it burns him in his soul.

So I decided to open up with the same trolly ass approach to reaction test him and his response to me in this game feels like he's dismissing me as lol-town-troll rather than suspicion which makes me think he's informed of my alignment aka scumbag

I can see why you'd think that.

Is it possible he believes "once bitten, twice shy"?

[House]

so this is the last game i played against my homie unwnd:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87367

What a player list!

[House]

if you read his iso in that, he is on me like white on rice but I troll him into hammering me and he ends up eating some rope cuz I'm actually a beloved princess.

Looking at the events, that's not what happened at all.

What's up with that?

[House]

ok he didnt actually eat rope, the town made him hammer a supersaint because they didn't trust him

its basically the same thing

Fair. Sorry, i was trying to cheat because short attention span.

[House]

schrödinger's dannflor

[House]

Unwnd's aggressiveness right out of the gate is giving me townpings.

can i get words on why you saw unwnd's opening as being aggressive

Are you familiar with Slayer's Gambit?

[House]

ya.
im not sure why you would subsequently vote him for behaviour in that period if you thought he was slayer gambitting though.

He wasn't. Pooky did something very akin to a Slayer's Gambit, so i was watching the interactions.

Initially, unwnd seemed like he was going water Pooky for the claim, but when he started why he wasn't going to vote for Pooky, I misread his post as saying he didn't want to

attract attention to himself

, and I was like, okay then... that's a scum claim.

[House]

ya.
im not sure why you would subsequently vote him for behaviour in that period if you thought he was slayer gambitting though.

He wasn't. Pooky did something very akin to a Slayer's Gambit, so i was watching the interactions.

Initially, unwnd seemed like he was going after* Pooky for the claim, but when he started why he wasn't going to vote for Pooky, I misread his post as saying he didn't want to

attract attention to himself

, and I was like, okay then... that's a scum claim.

[House]

isnt the conclusion of slayers gambit that people who go after it are more likely scum than not?

For chasing perceived low hanging fruit essentially, yes. But blatantly dodging voting there "to avoid attention" (as I misread) is also pretty incriminating.

[House]

I already admitted to misreading what you said multiple times. Lemme be.

[House]

lack the personal details I share with Pooky

I mean, you're basically insinuating I should sheep his suspicion, ya know?

[House]

house wagon feels meh because hes going to have lots of content regardless of whether theres a wagon there or not and i personally cant say with any confidence right now as to whether weirdness there is scummy or town weirdness.

Have we played, before?

It sounds like we've played, before.

[House]

Mr. Rogers I want out of here

VOTE: Kazyan

Allow me to assist.

VOTE: Kazyan

[House]

VOTE: kazyan

Was too lazy to count votes

3+1 is hard, yo.

[House]

VOTE: kazyan

Was too lazy to count votes

3+1 is hard, yo.

Misread was as way.

Though day for me. Damn.

[House]

VOTE: kazyan

Was too lazy to count votes

3+1 is hard, yo.

Misread was as way.

Tough* day for me. Damn.

[House]

ya a bunch probably mostly on my main account which is cheet. oh no the cats out of the bag now.

also would still appreciate an answer to the question.

Awesome!

And uh, I'm sorry, must've missed it. I'll go looking for it.

[House]

at the risk of being tedious can you pull which specific posts made you go
"ah yes this is an aggressive person doing an aggressive thing which makes me think theyre town"
from before post 37

this one, was worried about being EXTRA TEDIOUS by quoting it yet again but then again maybe this was the true tedious outcome.

I'm sorry.

I don't know if aggressive is the right word. Assertive? Frank? Seemed that he wasn't shying away from the attention that being high profile against weird shit would bring.

Whats with you and being cult all the time

Mix it up, I'm trying to join the kvlt and start a black metal band

You're full of it, fitting for a stuffed bear

I honestly don't know why you're asking this

Last time you claimed you were cult you were scum

Actually both of those games you claimed cult you were scum if I think about it

Scum tend to take a more calculated approach, because these kinds of responses can draw scrutiny, which, correct me if I'm wrong, scum aren't particularly keen on.

[House]

UNVOTE: House

Dunno why I kept my vote on you.

It's because you like me, isn't it?

You can tell me. I'll keep your secret.

[House]

if you want to keep voting house aggressively you should be casing him at this point.

I'm 90% sure I know what's triggering his paranoia, so I'm interested in his response to this.

[House]

if you want to keep voting house aggressively you should be casing him at this point.

I'm 90% sure I know what's triggering their* paranoia, so I'm interested in their response to this.

Fix't.

I'll get it right one of these days. I'm sorry dwlee, I swear it's not intentional!

[House]

Well there was also how the townread on unwnd turned into a vote and then an unvote eventually?

Not sure I buy this.

You've seen me play enough to know that my vote bounces more than flubber (a reference to the movie, not the scummer).

[House]

I thought house's townread on unwnd was premature, that's all I've got really

So, I figured you were scumreading me for not being super aggressive/abrasive, which is probably how you remember town!me

It wouldn't be the first time.

I'm intentionally changing my style by experimenting to see which parts of my old play I can keep and which parts are best for both myself and the health of the game state for me to change, so I fully expect to catch votes & mislims while I develop "the new me".

[House]

A poorly explained vote is better than a stab in the dark vote.

Wanna give it another shot?

[House]

ya.
im not sure why you would subsequently vote him for behaviour in that period if you thought he was slayer gambitting though.

He wasn't. Pooky did something very akin to a Slayer's Gambit, so i was watching the interactions.

Initially, unwnd seemed like he was going water Pooky for the claim, but when he started why he wasn't going to vote for Pooky, I misread his post as saying he didn't want to

attract attention to himself

, and I was like, okay then... that's a scum claim.

wtf is a slayers gambit

Intentionally being superficially scummy to pick up opportunistic votes, then scumhunting the wagon.

[House]

A poorly explained vote is better than a stab in the dark vote.

Wanna give it another shot?

Just for this snideness, no, I'm not gonna elaborate.

That wasn't my intent, sorry it came across that way.

Just pointing out that your vote isn't likely to be very effective if you don't support it.

I know, I know, I didn't explain my vote either, but my vote was a sheep & the player I was sheeping DID case you.

[House]

House is so transparently townie

the last time i played with the dude he was scum and posted like 3 times total and 2 of them was complaining about how mean we were for posting too much

here he's like turboposting like a madlad

Okay Gamma Junior, I'll tell you what I tell him every time he leans on that crutch:

I'd have said the same thing in Radio Buzz as either alignment, because the thread was gaining content like a large theme and I have to work all day.

This game started on a weekend, where I have more time.

In Radio Buzz, I was fucking swamped, and didn't have hours to ketchup just to get lost in the noise again.

[House]

I mean, if you say "I'm deliberately going to use a different playstyle than my usual way of being town and it's all going according to plan if I get voted", I kind of have to vote for you because that's the exact ass-covering that I used in my one scumgame.

Okay.

You're not explaining it for MY benefit. You can't convince a scum that they're scum.

I figured town should hear your thoughts.

[House]

ok you can say its about real life time or whatever but some people just aren't interested in playing scum and you're clearly one of them lol

If you think that, refer to literally any of my other scum games.

[House]

are u trying to convince me you're scum or are you just offended that I think so badly of your scum game lol

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=61070

The latter, of course.

[House]

I could link several more scum wins, but just check my topics.

[House]

I'm not taking a "must be town because you suck as scum" read.

That's lazy as hell.

[House]

are u trying to convince me you're scum or are you just offended that I think so badly of your scum game lol

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=61070

The latter, of course.

Hi. I'm House.

Just came back from an ages old ban.

Nice to meet you.
bruh you can't link me a game from 6 years ago and expect me to take you seriously about your scum meta when i just played with scum you

[House]

are u trying to convince me you're scum or are you just offended that I think so badly of your scum game lol

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=61070

The latter, of course.

bruh you can't link me a game from 6 years ago and expect me to take you seriously about your scum meta when i just played with scum you

Hi. I'm House.

Just came back from an ages old ban.

Nice to meet you.

Fix't*

[House]

Pooky, I issue unto you this challenge:

Link one game that is not Radio Buzz that supports your opinion.

[House]

are u trying to convince me you're scum or are you just offended that I think so badly of your scum game lol

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=61070

The latter, of course.

bruh you can't link me a game from 6 years ago and expect me to take you seriously about your scum meta when i just played with scum you

You can't link a single game and claim knowledge of meta.

The very definition of meta excludes that.

[House]

this convo feels unnecessary but i could just be old and bitter and etc.

That's my contrarian nature kicking in.

I'll work on that.

[House]

do you have another finished scum game that took place this year for me to look at

im way too lazy to look through your topics

Nope. That was my first scum game since I returned.

[House]

ok so thats your scum meta

By definition, 1 cannot be "meta"

Omg, somebody take my keyboard.

[House]

Well phone, but, yeah

[House]

Cause I have a hunch most of the two wagons are pure rn

Kazyan wagon looks righteous to me, so you're probably right.

[House]

Oh, didn't see Mega there.

Not sure on her. Can be town for now.

[House]

Anyone else concerned we the the speed of kazyan's wagon?

I'm concerned with your concern.

Does that count?

[House]

House, do you have an opinion on Pooky?

There's something I'm seeing but I don't think anyone else is seeing it

Tonight, I'm cruising on the good vibes of an emotional high.

This doesn't happen often, so I'm just kinda not all here right now.

Ask again tomorrow.

[House]

According to my last known site meta, serial killer hunters tend to be scum.

Since they can't very well hunt for their own team, it gives them another way to look productive.

Is that still the case or has site meta shifted?

[House]

Because the SK is a stronger read, and I dunno if you've noticed, but this is a Mini. The dead townie budget is pretty small

I don't buy this.

It's day 1. How do you differentiate group!scum from solo!scum?

[House]

I don't buy this.

It's day 1. How do you differentiate group!scum from solo!scum?

Planting shade so indiscriminately on everyone and anyone, basically, which means he doesn't care who dies, just

someone

. I guess he could be a Survivor?

Distancing is a thing.

Not all shade is created equal.

[House]

Solo scum hunting is + scum equity.

[House]

And here am I, fresh out of chianti.

[House]

Why shift off the Kazyan wagon?

Never felt too strongly about it on the first place, does no good keeping it there while noone else is.

Kaz was still a viable counterwagon prior to your unvote, so there is that.

[House]

which multiple people seem to be buying into? Or not? Idk

Where is anyone buying into this?

I'm just gonna pretend you didn't ask that, because reading my post in full provides enough context to show that my mind was scattered all over the place.

Because if I thought you were actually trying to bring up an old post of mine where I was mostly disengaged in order to angle some sort of shade at me, that would not leave a very good impression.

- House

[House]

navi makes the best posts

i should get them framed somewhere

Pooky crumbed Mafia Framer.

Lim this.

[House]

I'm amazed that the more you think the more you think you are right

w i l d

It's called confbias.

- House

[House]

Lol at signing my post.

[House]

Lol at signing my post.

It's like you're a hydra of House and Wake or something

No need to sign in that case.

We're the same person.

Just in different geographical locations.

[House]

VOTE: KidAmn

We should just hammer this slot.

[House]

House was part of the flashwagon + constant pecking that looked like a call to rally townies against the easy Day 1 miselim, but looking at the vote count, I see that House never left my wagon during the initial pivot to Dwlee. So I'd be tempted to move him back up to null if he didn't just urge us to "just hammer" without a claim while a replacement is pending.

That's a NAI post.

It's a shit thing to replace into a game just to get immediately eliminated.

Fucking rude.

But a new player in the slot doesn't change the color of the time pm.

[House]

House was part of the flashwagon + constant pecking that looked like a call to rally townies against the easy Day 1 miselim, but looking at the vote count, I see that House never left my wagon during the initial pivot to Dwlee. So I'd be tempted to move him back up to null if he didn't just urge us to "just hammer" without a claim while a replacement is pending.

That's a NAI post.

It's a shit thing to replace into a game just to get immediately eliminated.

Fucking rude.

But a new player in the slot doesn't change the color of the role* pm.

[House]

Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

Not it!

[House]

I would hammer not! House.

Otherwise, I'm happy where I am regardless of opinions to the contrary.

[House]

Haus! Hello!

Care to look at my analysis of your and 3 lucky other players' ISOs?

My last post was right after I got off work (I stand by it, though).

I'm exhausted.

I'll look for whatever post you're referring to after I catch up.

[House]

Haus! Hello!

Care to look at my analysis of your and 3 lucky other players' ISOs?

I stand by the recent stuff you don't like.

I'd rather lim a doomed slot that waste another player's time just to die anyway, and d1 is the most opportune time to make that correction.

Don't care how "it looks". That's a scum concern.

[House]

Welcome, scum.

[House]

UNVOTE: House

Dunno why I kept my vote on you.

this feels self-conscious

Reachy.

[House]

Just got off work. Done a skim ketchup.

If I had to jump wagons right this instant, I'd probably land on Meg simply because I don't like the others, but I wouldn't be happy about landing there either because I just don't have any other reason to be on it, of the top of my head.

I'll cogitate on this a bit over the weekend when I have more free time.

[House]

VOTE: Loftwing

Halfway here. Tired of voting Gamma.

[House]

VOTE: Navi

I would actually really like to elim this today

I wouldn't hate it, tbh.

I dislike forced tone.

[House]

VOTE: House

How about this? House has 96 posts and counting. Do you remember any one of them? I don't.

Your shit memory isn't my fault.

[House]

VOTE: House

How about this? House has 96 posts and counting. Do you remember any one of them? I don't.

he has kinda sunk back but he also is more active on weekends

Yep.

I work. During the day, I can't get on very often if at all. In the evenings, I'm too exhausted to go all serious sauce.

Fri-Mon, I'm much more available for playing.

[House]

20 posts, not pages.

So since I didn't have reads 97 posts into the game, I'm scum?

Shit push, tbh.

Do better.

[House]

Do you believe he can't just learn the art of saying nothing while maintaining volume? Not a very difficult thing to do

I'm a master of doing just that.

Doesn't affect the color of my role pm.

[House]

Do you believe he can't just learn the art of saying nothing while maintaining volume? Not a very difficult thing to do

dude radio buzz was the most shit posty game ever and he couldn't fit a word in edge wise (4 posts in 5 days? lolol) so he rep'd out

here he has no problem blending in and shitposting with us and going like 70 posts in 1 day

[House]

The first 20 pages in the House ISO legitimately have no reads, or even a provoking gamestate thought. There's also a few excuses for the lack of aggression(?) somewhere in there. How he is being townread is beyond me.

unwnd that means he's not scum trying to look town

don't mind this generally.

i'm also anxious because town!house seems to have a deep profound want to look like town as well tbh

That's fair.

Not entirely accurate, but fair.

I just don't want to be toxic.

[House]

Meh, I don't feel like fighting this. If you trust the activity tell then whatever. I'm wary about such tells but I may be bringing some other environment factors back into MS.

I think its not because of a towncase, but because your scumcase is a pile of trash.

Your white knighting is much more believable than pooky's.

[House]

VOTE: Navi

I'm not married to my townread.

I don't really feel like the list of people I put up is my definitive 'must be scum', rather I'm just wondering what's going on. If Navi's only thing she has going for her is being quirky, then it's probably not a decent read after all. It's been quite some time since I made that assumption anyways.

...

VOTE: unwnd

Going where the wind blows, much?

[House]

waow
pooky you're making me laugh with how boneheaded your stance on house is. Sure I give House hell about that game but I also admit he's got points.

i mean do you really think scum!house gets worked up and pulls a 6 year old mafia game out to try to tell me NUH UH IM ACTUALLY GOOD AT SCUM YOURE WRONG BRUH!!

like lol what

I think he'd do that regardless of alignment
pride is universal.

Pooky acting like I've been here all this time and that's all I could point to.

Like I'm ignoring a ton of scum games where I was shit.

But can't link to anything but Radio Buzz where I just wasn't feeling that game regardless of my role pm.

[House]

You also have no read on House from your ISO.

Yes I am absolutely valuing people who are more willing to give out their thoughts. Reads to look back on. That's the way I will deal with this game and my PoE lists a lot of people who I don't remember taking many stances in general. I'm on edge about losing a game (see: prideful) where my town stopped keeping track of what people were saying. It all became too in-the-moment and scum got away with just saying things at the right time.

It's day fucking ONE.

I'd be more concerned about people who DO have solid reads over those who are waiting for something to actually BASE a read ON.

d1 is nothing but shitposting and finger pointing. The interesting shit doesn't even start until d2, and doesn't become reliable until d3+.

[House]

Oops, lost my position on Navi.

VOTE: Navi
Now I'm going to look like scum bussing.

Damn.

[House]

I wish Titus was here so we could be thread Masons.

[House]

Giving reads is entirely out of self preservation at base.
Finding a player scummy/townie doesn't make them any scummier/townier for others.
It only helps to sort your own slot, which I already know. If town is interested in my reads I will give them but I see no point in disrupting the conversation with my own reads most of the time.

This is different than spotting scummy/townie behavior, which if already examined still has no need of parroting. If it isn't mentioned before than mentioning it helps town sort other slots.

Color me interested.

[House]

VOTE: murdercat
I like this better than Pooky/Navi

C'mon, let's lim Navi.

When they flip red, the scum team will accuse me of bussing & we can hunt scum on my wagon together.

[House]

Giving reads is entirely out of self preservation at base.
Finding a player scummy/townie doesn't make them any scummier/townier for others.
It only helps to sort your own slot, which I already know. If town is interested in my reads I will give them but I see no point in disrupting the conversation with my own reads most of the time.

This is different than spotting scummy/townie behavior, which if already examined still has no need of parroting. If it isn't mentioned before than mentioning it helps town sort other slots.

Color me interested.

Just some game philosophy to my playstyle.

... interested

in your reads

.

[House]

I can give a wall about my contentious disagreements or I can shut up and be a good unassuming boy

It's always best to share your thoughts.

[House]

Up!

[House]

I've no opinion on MCAT. Been gone for a lot of content.

My objection to Navi is basically the masked tone feeling dishonest.

If there's an actual basis for a scumread on the cat, I can be persuaded.

[House]

Barely present, content when around seems forced, asks a bunch of loaded/leading questions

Point 1 would be hypocritical for me to consider.
Point 2 is something I can't personally discern. Not a skill I've developed, yet.
Point 3, I'll check out.

[House]

Barely present, content when around seems forced, asks a bunch of loaded/leading questions

In regards to the questions, which would you say are loaded or leading?

I can't find any that I'd identify as such. Maybe I'm used to a different form and unfamiliar with what you're referring to?

[House]

Barely present, content when around seems forced, asks a bunch of loaded/leading questions

Point 1 would be hypocritical for me to consider.
Point 2 is something I can't personally discern. Not a skill I've developed, yet.
Point 3, I'll check out.

You at least weren’t prodded

I mean, fair.

Not really a conclusive fact in itself. Life happens.

Still though, I get that site meta tends to trend to players who roll scum being demoralized/less active/dip out (remember me wanting your slot dead?)

I would hammer the slot, but tbh I'd rather not waste brainpower trying to translate Navi the entire game.

[House]

Takes a minute to fire up the neurons sometimes

I wouldn't vote you regardless of alignment because this is just asking for my attention either way

Oh.

Well, then.

VOTE: unwnd

You have my attention.

I don't understand what this post changed about your read

which multiple people seem to be buying into? Or not? Idk

Where is anyone buying into this?

UNVOTE: House

Dunno why I kept my vote on you.

What was your read on Kaz here?

Based on how quickly the wagon formed on me and the deal with Gork and Dann, there's maybe one scum on my wagon? VOTE: House?

What do you mean re Gork and Dann and why do you conclude House is the scum?

Low on time today but dislike the dwlee wagon here.

VOTE: kidann

Say more?

these are some key posts I think exemplify what I’m seeing, especially the first and last ones
I also did some meta doublchecking and I saw some similar stuff in the last scumgame on main I saw from Murdercat

Not to imply anything about you by this, but it's interesting that most of the examples are regarding posts MC made to/about me.

I can see how those questions can be used to lead to a push if the thread trends towards an atmosphere that is receptive to my lim.

VOTE: MURDERCAT

Pre-emptive OMGUS.

[House]

That is actually a perfectly valid* take
Don’t know how your thoughts on MCat’s posting reflect on me in any way tho lol

Surprising, isn't it?

I'm actually pretty impressed by that post. It was insightful and communicated a good point in a way that I could comprehend.

You're not Titus-level town to me, but definitely trending up.

[House]

didn't you just get dunked on by Titus-Scum lol

I'm the one that read her right.

N_M lost that game for town.

And you think you know something about me.

[House]

Read from here:

It should be clear that I knew Titus was last scum from the time N_M derped his vote on me the first time.

I entered the day planning to vote Titus (told Koba that at EoD after Shrek flipped town).

I only voted N_M because I thought votes still froze at Elo, and congratulated Titus on the win when I did it.

[House]

Read from here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13018209

It should be clear that I knew Titus was last scum from the time N_M derped his vote on me the first time.

I entered the day planning to vote Titus (told Koba that at EoD after Shrek flipped town).

I only voted N_M because I thought votes still froze at Elo, and congratulated Titus on the win when I did it.

[House]

figuring someone out at elo doesnt really count if you've ridden the entire game in their pocket rofl

Titus is a friend. I'm not spending the entire game bickering with her.

My method works, and I'm fine with losing if some numbskull can't accept that.

[House]

The worst is still town, house maybe scum if Navi town but the vote swap seemed too blatant. <snip>

VOTE: Navi

Flip the cat. If scum, the feline is trying to chain my miselim on the back of town!Navi.

[House]

Think I'd rather

VOTE: Navi

That's E-1.

I think.

[House]

Damnit, it's not even close with the defectors fleeing.

[House]

intent to hammer

Do it

Where's the cryptic text?

[House]

intent to hammer

Do it

Where's the cryptic text?

I think I might have to drop my post restriction because it's taking up a bit too much time to compose posts in that format. I enjoy it but I don't have the rl time lately. I can't take twice as long engineering what I want to say.

don't think this helps much

Oh. Cool then.

UNVOTE:

I just wanted to be rid of the fake tone.

[House]

...

well, then.

[House]

So, welcome LLD!

[House]

/inb4 dwlee votes ducky in 5... 4... 3... 2...

[House]

ONE

No, idk, just curious what ducky will say about it

That list was supposed to contain a vote so I could later punt to it as a crumb for us being Masons later.

You disappoint me.

[House]

ONE

No, idk, just curious what ducky will say about it

That post* was supposed to contain a vote so I could later punt to it as a crumb for us being Masons later.

You disappoint me.

EBWOP

[House]

So when are we going to talk about the fact that we are all in hoods?

How dare you address what may or may not be an elephant which may or may not be in what may or may not be a room?

[House]

"strongest townread" might be a bit exaggerated but you're probably the player i have had the strongest like, behavioural townping from

Boo, hiss

[House]

boo hiss urself

Why you so mean to me?!

[House]

boo hiss urself

Why you so mean to me?!

i'm kinda like a primary school bully in a lot of ways. i think you're cool so i express that by being mean.

Oh.

That's fair, then.

The few friends I have wonder why I'm mad at them if I'm not picking on them somehow, so I can relate.

[House]

MC seems dejected and I think he is town. I don't agree with Dann that the Navi posting is scum indicative. It's just a gimmick

I'm just glad it's over.

[House]

Pick me!

Pick me!

[House]

LLD, Gamma, *sees 1189* House

Mah hero!

[House]

I will be more engaged when I feel more strongly about things. Right now I don't even feel completely solid forming a poe so I'm just kinda trudging along

C'mon dwlee, perk up.

VOTE: dwlee

Too early to be demoralized.

[House]

[House]

I feel dirty voting dwlee even as a motivational tool.

UNVOTE: dwlee

Especially when I'm having a similar issue.

[House]

i want to avoid situations like wf where i misread my homie for not being himself anymore

Big mood.

[House]

VOTE: Navi

Back to the Navi wave.

[House]

Yes, I'm a contrarian.

[House]

Duck is scummiest out of MC, Navi, Duck, so that's the name

No LLD, you're waterfalling me with condescending statements

I'm on mobile and you expect me to answer like three questions every post you make

[House]

[House]

LLD wagon reeks.

[House]

Revenge of the sith

Anakin wasn't even Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith.

and I'm clearly referring to when Obi-Wan let Vader "win" in A New Hope in order to set up the Ultimate Victory.

You are jar jar binks

You are caught scum

Your vote is in a curious place, then.

[House]

i am more certain on duckie

You mean there's more than one scum?!

I've been lied to.

[House]

I'm meming.

[House]

>.>

This reminds me of the look my buddy gives me every time I crack a dad joke.

Which is a lot.

[House]

It's so weird being on the sidelines when shit is going down.

[House]

Feels like people are scumreading frustration over motive, tbh.

[House]

@house
what's the positive motive you see? genuine question; i'm v much not above having missed something. if i remove my frustrations etc. then i'm still left with like.. a charitable read of very null, i think

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I don't think there was any notice at all in the spat. It seemed more like an OOC argument than a game-related one.

[House]

@house
what's the positive motive you see? genuine question; i'm v much not above having missed something. if i remove my frustrations etc. then i'm still left with like.. a charitable read of very null, i think

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I don't think there was any motive* at all in the spat. It seemed more like an OOC argument than a game-related one.

Fix't

[House]

@house
what's the positive motive you see? genuine question; i'm v much not above having missed something. if i remove my frustrations etc. then i'm still left with like.. a charitable read of very null, i think

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I don't think there was any notice at all in the spat. It seemed more like an OOC argument than a game-related one.

Oh are you talking about the thing with the worst and not the thing with Dwlee?

I can be explicit again. My argument with the Worst is strictly Out of Game frustration. I said that a bunch.

Scum can claim their anger at someone is not game-related. I just buy it in your case.

[House]

@house
what's the positive motive you see? genuine question; i'm v much not above having missed something. if i remove my frustrations etc. then i'm still left with like.. a charitable read of very null, i think

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I don't think there was any notice at all in the spat. It seemed more like an OOC argument than a game-related one.

That's fine, why do you think LLD is town?

I don't.

She hasn't said enough game-related content to even begin to sort.

Kinda my point.

[House]

can u guys just sheep me on duck and give me shit tomm if he somehow magically flips town

Fuck it. Not like I can read the critter.

VOTE: the worst

[House]

yea im drunm

also im town

You are, at a minimum, half right.

[House]

this is wha hapelenen when your too much of a wysss to go to a bar

Not going to a bar saves a fortune and achieves the same result, IMHO.

[House]

and this lld wagon is grossssss lolololol

it's dwlee (who's town), me (precious duck), megazu (no idea but reads hard unaligned with LLD).

what's gross about it?

I trust none of you

what do you want me to do with this? :/

Accept it?

[House]

then you're welcome to keep voting me without engaging.

Thank.

[House]

kazyan, LLD, House, Navi, MCat,

I would like to vote one of these out today.
I feel like there's very good odds of hitting scum by picking one in this group at random (and we can probably do better than that)

Congratulations for literally saying nothing.

It's a mini. Odds are pretty high there's a couple scum when you pick 5 random names no matter which names they are.

I could see myself voting here after ketchup.

[House]

@gamma what, like.. are your reads? what do you think of the analysis we've done?

big fan of contrarianism but you're pretty present and i have no idea what you're trying to do.

You know exactly what Gamma is trying to do

[House]

re. house, i don't really see it. in pyp i literally used house as a sounding board on d1 as much as i could because i was like, *certain* he was town and didn't want to interact with slots i wasn't certain on (gotta get that sweet n1 kill u know). i kinda like. wouldn't be surprised if this is his towngame, but i don't really see the similarities. he's felt far lower-energy and kind of flat here. it's not about the 'trying to be less assertive on d1' thing either; i dig that. i just haven't found myself picking up anything house is putting down so far.

That's fair.

I have less energy in general. Work has been rough this week.

[House]

I'm about to pass out.

I'll check back in tomorrow afternoon.

[House]

@ Gork: In response to your words about me, I work through the week and don't have the energy to shitpost for hours.

Hell, I'm waiting to go into a store to merch it as I post this.

[House]

Fridays and Mondays are my days off.

Fridays, my activity here tends to be a bit higher but still limited as I'm recovering from the heavy delivery days.

Sat-Sun are lighter workload, stocking shelves.

Monday is my +activity day off the week.

[House]

is there anyone who doesnt think theres a dichotomy between LLD and the worst with one scum in that pile?

Because of the headbutting?

[House]

because
a) both feel scummy
b) i dont want to live in a world where they could be partners
c) it feels right in my gutsoulheart

That's not theater.

If one flips scum, the other is damned near conftown.

But I don't think that equates to meaning one MUST be scum.

[House]

Time for work.

Joy.

[House]

fwiw I feel like there's one scum in us I'm like, 72% sure

Does LLD come out swinging as scum?

Now I'm really gone, lol.

[House]

Remind me to tell you after the game or in the dead thread

And lose your tell?

[House]

UNVOTE:

[House]

VOTE: LLD

*stirs pot*

[House]

it's almost like you want more information so you know whether i'm worth n1ing ;]

It's almost like claiming "I'm a powerrole" is something anyone can do and is a super easy scum lie and isn't a real claim and shouldn't scare anyone from voting anything.

And it's almost like that's been the standard for a decade of mafia.

And it's almost like I've had this conversation and done this with other players, when playing as a townie before, and will continue to in the future.

It's almost like you're grasping for anything that you can use at this point because you feel the noose tightening.

This is a bullshit post.

Outing oneself as a PR puts a target on their head for the nk.

duckie is not today's lim.

If he's still alive tomorrow, we can revisit this.

[House]

it's almost like you want more information so you know whether i'm worth n1ing ;]

It's almost like claiming "I'm a powerrole" is something anyone can do and is a super easy scum lie and isn't a real claim and shouldn't scare anyone from voting anything.

And it's almost like that's been the standard for a decade of mafia.

And it's almost like I've had this conversation and done this with other players, when playing as a townie before, and will continue to in the future.

It's almost like you're grasping for anything that you can use at this point because you feel the noose tightening.

This is a bullshit post.

Outing oneself as a PR puts a target on their head for the nk.

duckie is not today's lim.

If he's still alive tomorrow, we can revisit this.

That's a terrible.... whatever.

Who do you want, exactly.

Navi is cool with me.

I was just poking the bear with my last vote.

[House]

Wait no House unvoted. It probably is Navi elimination.

I did a good.

[House]

Why would you rage tilt

cuz we were so close to kill duckie and then randomly it swerved into navi and killed her?

like wtf r people even doing

Chillax, it's not like ducky gets anywhere near Elo as a claimed PR, anyway.

[House]

I've had a busy day at work today, and tomorrow will be worse.

I'll see if I can't hammer out some sort of an opinion. I'm exhausted, though.

[House]

Just on this page alone, I know I don't have the energy to dig into LLD.

Fuck walls & information overload.

[House]

I don't get the Gamma votes.

He's looking pretty town, to me.

Seems to have more nk equity than lim equity.

[House]

{Dwlee, Dannflor, Worst, Unwnd}

This is my town list. Gamma is dead null as far as I'm concerned, and I agree a vote there is a waste of time right now.

The early Kaz wagon seems scum inflated imo, and the worst vote there is Meg, who also jumped onto the kid wagon.

VOTE: Meg

Gross.

MCat has been making nothing-burger posts up to this point, and votes obvious LHF.

I read Meg's d1 posts, and they came across as uninvested, not scum-aligned.

This vote looks "safe". Like MCat wants to avoid scrutiny.

to me the candidness/frankness here feels like something less likely to come from mafia who wants to look like theyre scumhunting.

To me that reads like someone who doesn't have a good answer to the question

Like, when he shades a player, he does so in an indirect manner instead of being directly accusatory.

I don't believe that's a real read

Finally an accusation... but it's one with no meat to it. Calling someone a liar and dropping the mic accomplishes nothing.

Think I'm retired after this game, me getting run up D1 every game is not fun for anyone.

So instead of "git gud", you plan to quit?

Let's use your strategy: I don't believe that's a real opinion.

See how unproductive that statement is? Stop it.

Murdercat you can't retire cause then we can't make funny mini Kodak moments together anymore then

idk both white flag and this game are making me feel like I just don't have the time anymore. I think most players really underestimate how much activity factors into their reads. I thought if I just played a few games where I was less active people would get used to my new meta but I guess not.

Bullshit.

There's a lot of players that don't top the activity list that aren't lim-bait, because they town the fuck up when they DO post.

You're just leaning on AtE to provoke pity.

1241 - now THIS is what you need to do. Provide analysis when you're here and stop sweating how many posts you make.

I had a hard dislike of your slot until this post. Now, I want to see what else you have.

[House]

House, why did you feel the need to case MC here?

If I cased him, as you allege, why did my post not contain a vote?

Read the conclusion. I posted analysis, not a case.

[House]

okay sorry let me rephrase, why did you choose to ISO him now and address his posts from early d1?

I'm not accusing you of anything to be clear just curious

Eenie Meenie Minie Moe method.

Random player ISOing to find something to give input on to avoid a prod; one of his posts caught my attention, so I ran with it.

[House]

I'll see if I can't hammer out some sort of an opinion. I'm exhausted, though.

[House]

I don't really count the opinion about Gamma as legitimate input.

I find it difficult to be objective about him.

[House]

why do you find reading gamma difficult?

I'm biased. I have a tendency to townread him in all of my games.

[House]

I will state that it's weird Gamma started feeling better or less uneasy today about me because I feel my posts have been particularly contentless today

I disagree with this statement.

You've thrown out some decent probative questions prior to that post, and your analysis shows depth.

[House]

i wanna hear from everyone else if they believe this gamma claim and how they want to proceed

its day 2, 12 alive

calm your ass down we're not on the verge of getting reamed

I don't buy the claim.

I see why town would lie about it.

[House]

can you explain why you don't buy the claim

Pretty powerful role for a mini.

Useful claim to eat a bullet instead of a mislim.

[House]

seems risky, aren't there better options?

Apparently not, if it's working.

[House]

its not really working cuz hes basically autoyeet tomm if he's alive

Is he, though?

Is he?

I've yet to see an investigative cc him.

[House]

1:1 trade benefits town.

[House]

So what you're saying is

Let's say hypothetically

I am an investigate

(hypothetical)

I should counterclaim?

That's up to you.

I'd wait a night, personally.

[House]

can you explain why you don't buy the claim

Pretty powerful role for a mini.

Useful claim to eat a bullet instead of a mislim.

I don’t fake a guilty, and definitely not like this. I care about my reputation. It’s hard enough for me to get any damn respect on this site already.

Successful gambits are a useful tool for garnering respect.