Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: House

EGO

[Dwlee99]

No kill House

[Dwlee99]

Murdercat hi

[Dwlee99]

Things are alright. I'm excited to be in a Shea game again. Other than that I'm just kinda chilling, doing college and whatnot. How about you?

Also I think house is evil

[Dwlee99]

Yeah I preinned so long ago, I took a break for a while but I actually have some time now. I'm trying to find any motivation to write my dissertation while also dealing with work. I got a nice new desk the other day so my home office is coming together.

I don't see why evil house immediately changes an opinion like that

Good luck with your dissertation!

Well cause he can

[Dwlee99]

Things are alright. I'm excited to be in a Shea game again. Other than that I'm just kinda chilling, doing college and whatnot. How about you?

Also I think house is evil

I'm always evil.

I just can't ever get the role pm to match.

This game is your lucky chance

[Dwlee99]

Ye Pooky recruit

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Why is Kazyan evil?

[Dwlee99]

I thought house's townread on unwnd was premature, that's all I've got really

[Dwlee99]

Classic mistake

[Dwlee99]

Well there was also how the townread on unwnd turned into a vote and then an unvote eventually?

[Dwlee99]

No it's not necessarily scummy, it might in fact be town weirdness. I am also level zeroing right now

[Dwlee99]

I'll let you know if the dwlee sensors find something

[Dwlee99]

No it's not necessarily scummy, it might in fact be town weirdness. I am also level zeroing right now

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Kidamn

We switching it up

[Dwlee99]

We switching it up

nuh uh!
when you have a sec can you give me thoughts on a kaz isodive if that isnt a ridiculous request :v

Yea sure

[Dwlee99]

Cause I have a hunch most of the two wagons are pure rn

[Dwlee99]

Skimmed Kazyan's ISO. I don't really have any strong opinions on it. Lots of questions early but still posting some early ideas and seems to have a desire to solve things at the least.

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I'm not super convinced on Kazyan and feel like by poe kidamn is likely scum

[Dwlee99]

by poe

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Why are you voting me?

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Follow up: why aren't you voting kidamn?

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Follow up to the follow up: would you be willing to vote there with me?

[Dwlee99]

by poe

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I'm sorry if it came across passive aggressive. I'm just feeling lazy

[Dwlee99]

Beeboy once said (about me):

You are so lazy

But also: his ISO is just an entrance without a vote and a question. Not seeing the drive to solve in him.

Pedit: i mean I understand what you're trying to accomplish voting me. I just think it is better to vote scum than town

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But also: his ISO is just an entrance without a vote and a question. Not seeing the drive to solve in him.

I noticed this and posit that it's an aggressively lukewarm read in a game where people are doing things and there is a single wagon of 5 people and a bunch of vanity votes

I don't care if it's lukewarm if it has a high probability of being right

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How am I trying to look right now? (I assume the answer is town?)

[Dwlee99]

My questions have purposes even if the answer might seem obvious to you (maybe they are not to me)

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I'll tell you once you answer my last one

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I'm not being passive aggressive I just don't want to tell you before you answer cause then how would it work

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How am I trying to look right now? (I assume the answer is town?)

The answer to this question? I thought you already answered about voting kidamn by calling my take lukewarm

[Dwlee99]

If I'm trying to come across a certain way there should be a word to describe that other than the act of coming across a certain way. You should be able to say what I'm trying to come across as rather than just that I'm trying to come across as something.

[Dwlee99]

You're probably putting in too much effort if you feel that way because my posts are basically just stating things that happened or basic questions. I'm not being subtle or anything, I'm saying what I mean very plainly.

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I want to townread you but I'm wary of how you tried to paint my actions as passive aggressive. I've been blunt/lazy I guess but I think that's a different thing than passive aggressive

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I haven't felt like you're not being sincere in answering my questions, so sorry if I gave off that impression? It's literally just that I'm lazy. My entire read on kidamn is contained in Poe + those two posts are just whatever and I don't think there is more to say there, so I'll just quote myself cause it's easier to tap two buttons than type it out again or try to think of a different way to phrase such a read.

Questions were just to get into your head space and try to sort you, 392 was the conclusion of that. Although the kidamn questions were more just me trying to make a wagon happen where I want it

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Am I the counterwagon now gdi

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Kidamn and Kazyan should be the two competing wagons cause one of those two is actually probably scum if my vibe check is right

[Dwlee99]

Am I the counterwagon now gdi

yw

Pooky you're an evil evil bear

[Dwlee99]

It's that I feel like Kazyan is town, and I have felt like the wagon on him was also mostly town. So then we should be looking at who is on the sidelines (like kidamn who still has done nothing).

I also think regardless of Kazyan's alignment that scum are inactive right now.

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The payoff was that worst is probably town and I'm not actually going to get the kidamn wagon I want unless the fickle mind of pooky decides to join me

[Dwlee99]

Mafia traitor in mafia majority game where I correctly identify someone as scum but then pretend I townread them cause I thought they were main scum but they were actually part of the informed town minority I was supposed to be hunting

[Dwlee99]

Yet you fumbled what you were trying to do so how can you be confident he's town?

What did I fumble? The worst (heh) thing to me about those interactions was the passive aggressive thing (which I'm choosing to ignore as NAI). That I didn't feel like I got a clear answer on the question about how I was trying to look makes me feel better on them

I probably agree, with the caveat that threatening scum are present but not active in advancing the game. Dannflor is also the deepwolf but that's not super relevant right now.

I'm not sure what you mean by present but not active. Who is that?

[Dwlee99]

From my point of view, worst shrugged off your tactics entirely. He didn't seem fazed by any of it nor deterred by his own read on you.

Do you think that's scummy?

[Dwlee99]

Eh idk I felt like it was townie which I think means something cause I'm normally very OMGUSy

[Dwlee99]

Confused about this SK read

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This would be a way to read the people on my wagon but no one has actually given a reason for voting me other than the worst except for pressure/fun

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I also can't feel confident scum has hopped onto my wagon cause I think I'm prone to getting wagoned by all town (see LN 233)

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Pooky remember white flag

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Fuck yea

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If kidamn flips scum I claim conftown status

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TTTT going that far was kinda on me cause I was blind to my memory of Sigmund's abs.

Also I kept wanting Pav and was told no by multiple people

[Dwlee99]

We should at least get a claim here probably

[Dwlee99]

I care about coming across passive aggressive because I don't want to mean. I would like to be friends with the people I play with, not be a jerk

[Dwlee99]

Yes ofc. I actually learned the right hand for lost woods on the piano which should help

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Saria's song, yea. Just an easy version cause I can't play piano (as evidenced by me not knowing the left hand cause I can't use both at once right now)

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this is the reason i suspect kaz-wake

theres also that the worst is asking kaz questions when hes townreading them and his entry was just focused on derailing the the kaz wagon.
he was really dismissive of a kidamn vote so you would think he would be as interested in trying to direct traffic onto dwlee still but for some reason that effort has stopped now that the kaz wagon has fizzled.

kidamn can you make a post please.

I think it'd be cool if the solve was kaz-kidamn-the worst but I don't really believe in that

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Actually I thought about it more and the worst-kaz-third person could totally be a thing given the indirect defense of Kaz you've talked about

[Dwlee99]

Saria's song, yea. Just an easy version cause I can't play piano (as evidenced by me not knowing the left hand cause I can't use both at once right now)

Clearly this is a conspiracy to hide the fact that you only have one hand!

Spoiler: very stupid joke

[Dwlee99]

Holy fuck I really need to change my profile picture

Also, I realized that 568 uses ableist language and I'm sorry. Bad habit that I need to break still

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: off topic profile picture stuff

Well my profile picture was made by cheetory and I love it and him and I've had it on multiple profiles for probably five years, but I hate how it masc-codes me and people think I'm sad or something I guess? Idk I never overthought it before but I guess I kind of look moody(?) in that drawing? Someone I go to school with also said I seemed intimidating at first and although it had nothing to do with my profile picture, (they just said we never had talked and I was kind of doing my own thing while they were around) I wonder if it could be related. Anyway thanks for the offer but I think I'm gonna try to figure out something myself.

[Dwlee99]

I think every time I've pushed someone on the "how do you actually believe that" tell they've just been wrong town

Maybe I'm misremembering though, it just doesn't seem super reliable. Now it isn't necessarily bad to kill those slots because that can indirectly advance win con by removing people that make it harder to scum hunt, but I just don't believe in it as a tell. See me pushing Titus in MBOS. She claimed me/norwee/t3 were the scumteam day one, said we were locktowning each other (we weren't), and said that she was completely convinced that was the team. I called BS because it was a ridiculous read (I townread norwee and t3 at the time, although the t3 townread was kind of flimsy and he ended up being evil), but Titus was town. Anyway long story short I don't think it's a great tell

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Yea well that was the push on Titus I made and turns out she actually did believe what she was saying

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That's my entire point. "i don't believe that you believe what you believe because your reasons are bad" has not proved to be a successful scum tell for me to use.

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You might have a point about the gimmick thing. I'll think about it more

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Can we stay on kidamn unless you weren't on him to begin with?

[Dwlee99]

Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

Three person poe when there are probably 3 scum?

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sorry but kidamn wagon seems like a waste of time?

Eh kinda I just don't want it to dissolve at least before kidamn comes back or is replaced

[Dwlee99]

609 is very strange

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VOTE: pooky

No comprendo

[Dwlee99]

A poe is a list of people you don't townread. It implies you townread the other 9 people in the game if you give a list of three poe.

[Dwlee99]

No it doesn't lol

That's just a PoE of who I'd vote in today

That's not what a poe is

[Dwlee99]

I will always have a smidgen of pooky paranoia

[Dwlee99]

Did gamma do anything much to relieve pressure? I know we have someone in the slot now but I'd like him to complete catch up

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I skimmed stuff and my head is completely empty

@Gamma I have no idea what my mental poe was when I made that post. I could probably reconstruct what I was thinking at the time (I remember thinking Kazyan wagon was probably mostly town for instance) and then some townreads on other slots but that was the jist of it

[Dwlee99]

Why am I scum? And with gork?

[Dwlee99]

Worst things I'm town now weeee

Loftwing what's suspicious about my ISO except me not being here the past ~12 hours while y'all hyperposted?

[Dwlee99]

Counterpoint though your reasons for suspecting me are bad

And you contradict yourself by saying things like "scum don't make this post" (or something idk it's been a couple days) and then scumreading me

[Dwlee99]

Murdercat you can't retire cause then we can't make funny mini Kodak moments together anymore then

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Is spewing your entire alibi a scumtell? I do it all the time regardless of alignment

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I'll read the case on MC/Navi later and get back to y'all on what I think

[Dwlee99]

Hi LLD

[Dwlee99]

yo

Didn't drop a reads list 30 minutes into replacing in? Scum

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee what do you make of meg’s play thus far?

She defended me and my brain hasn't thought about the slot much more than that

[Dwlee99]

Idk whether this is the good or bad meta but her play feels like it’s going the same way her play went in LN 235.

Meta. Imagine

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The worst, you townreading me feels so out of pocket rn

I feel like I'm missing something about how I towntold here when I have arguably done less since you scumread me cause I've been more busy

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ONE

No, idk, just curious what ducky will say about it

[Dwlee99]

So when are we going to talk about the fact that we are all in hoods?

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Mb house, I'll make sure to check our chat before posting next time

[Dwlee99]

That's a good answer cool

[Dwlee99]

I'll read the case on MC/Navi later and get back to y'all on what I think

hows this going.

It hasn't I'll do that now

Was busy and forgot

[Dwlee99]

I can't find the cases. Help?

[Dwlee99]

MC seems dejected and I think he is town. I don't agree with Dann that the Navi posting is scum indicative. It's just a gimmick

[Dwlee99]

LLD, Gamma, *sees 1189* House

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Dude just posts a lot of words. Made some weird point that I'm evil but has done nothing with it and I climbed in his reads list without even posting

[Dwlee99]

Well one here was forced

Also I don't like using replace out as AI

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and why aren't you voting loftwing if that's your core suspicion out of (loftwing/gamma/pooky)?

I think the associative is there if loftwing is scum.

It doesn't mean that I think he is more likely to be scum.

yeah this is transparently trying to dodge putting actual pressure on loftwing
meg/dwlee/loftwing is the scumteam

Feel like its just 3 of {pooky, mcat, dann, navi} but sure hope I'm wrong

Idk how I missed this, Pooky/MCat/Dann made up my second tier of suspicions after Dwlee/Meg/Jake, so it’s interesting tw came to suspect them as a whole as well. Feels like a mild mind meld in a way that isn’t setting myself up for failure.

nvm I misread this

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But I'm lazy. Gamma hasn't been

[Dwlee99]

Gamma asked me questions but I don't

feel

like they were meant to sort me

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Pretty much all of them

Maybe not the poe one?

[Dwlee99]

I've played with gamma yea

No idea what I expect from him on a meta level. Don't really do that

[Dwlee99]

I will be more engaged when I feel more strongly about things. Right now I don't even feel completely solid forming a poe so I'm just kinda trudging along

[Dwlee99]

I will be more engaged when I feel more strongly about things. Right now I don't even feel completely solid forming a poe so I'm just kinda trudging along

C'mon dwlee, perk up.

VOTE: dwlee

Too early to be demoralized.

No

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It isn't demoralized btw, it's just a lack of strong feels

[Dwlee99]

Gamma? Difficult to murder?

[Dwlee99]

I'm not even voting her...

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So out of pocket there tbh

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I included LLD in that list earlier btw not cause of loftwing but because of her btw. I am not having confidence inspire by this

[Dwlee99]

Murdercat you can't retire cause then we can't make funny mini Kodak moments together anymore then

idk both white flag and this game are making me feel like I just don't have the time anymore. I think most players really underestimate how much activity factors into their reads. I thought if I just played a few games where I was less active people would get used to my new meta but I guess not.

I think people factor in activity because a lot of people just lack the ability to post as much as they do as town when they're scum. Back in the day it was called thread spewing yourself town, and I don't think that has changed. I think if people know you are always posting about the same then it shouldn't really factor in.

also i have already changed your meta folder from "tryhard hero solver" to "washed up drunk"

Rude

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Also MC I need you to read LLD cause Yggdrasil

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feels like navi is trying to lurk out this wagon in hopes that someone finds a new shiny thing.
can we get some more pressure there

Have you learned nothing from this page

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I don't like accusations of lurking when it's been like 10 hours or something

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VOTE: LLD
I'll consolidate when I have to but I want bragging rights of having my vote on scum D1

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: LLD
I'll consolidate when I have to but I want bragging rights of having my vote on scum D1

?????

Her content on replace in is scummy

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: LLD
I'll consolidate when I have to but I want bragging rights of having my vote on scum D1

?????

Her content on replace in is scummy

so there's like two posts I'd deem content

can you elaborate?

[Dwlee99]

I will be more engaged when I feel more strongly about things. Right now I don't even feel completely solid forming a poe so I'm just kinda trudging along

C'mon dwlee, perk up.

VOTE: dwlee

Too early to be demoralized.

No

It isn't demoralized btw, it's just a lack of strong feels

Feeling a little down that your easy elimination for later got replaced with someone notoriously difficult to murder?

I get it, it's okay. The scum QT must be really quiet for you to be this sad out here though.

This one actually bad though (I just had to post that image)

[Dwlee99]

You went 0 to 100 on literally nothing

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Feigning ignorance for a reaction dodge

Okay

[Dwlee99]

It isn't that you went 0 to 100 producing content, you went 0 to 100 being aggressive towards for after I hardly FoS'd you

Yea, that's scummy

[Dwlee99]

I was asked for three names

Fuck off

[Dwlee99]

Because you're misrepping what happened by framing it as just giving 0 names with 0 reasoning. This is the exact thing I'd expect you to do as scum if one of your buddies was close to elimination. You also act unaware that your tone here is condescending af and that I should be completely chill with how you're talking to me

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I didn't have a third, House just asked to be on the list

Gamma I've already talked about how I don't think he is trying to sort me

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The misrep was that you said I just gave three names with no reasoning ignoring that I just asked for three names

[Dwlee99]

This is the same exact shit scum have done to me multiple times late day one with their buddy being wagoned. The entire time and everything is a scum push

Pedit: probably duck?

[Dwlee99]

Entire tone*

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Read LLD's posts, she is posting specifically to piss me off

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Duck is scummiest out of MC, Navi, Duck, so that's the name

No LLD, you're waterfalling me with condescending statements

I'm on mobile and you expect me to answer like three questions every post you make

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure I could quote every single one of your posts as being condescending

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Every time you go "blank, dwlee? blank, dwlee?" That's condescending as shit

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Someone who just replaced in and has no content, so it has to be a read on my predecessor, which you have yet to explain.

This part is just a flat out lie

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so I need to ask in what way are my posts condescending?

Also even the way you ask how you're condescending comes across condescending

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I’m sorry to pile on the questions here, but I have to ask, why did you assume this initial post by LLD was like 100% serious? I’m not saying it wasn’t but I don’t think that would’ve been my first reaction

I don't think it comes across as a joke at all. The tone is completely serious

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I think you should compile your evidence instead of tacking it on through practice

If your conviction is strong enough on LLD, I'm willing to listen. I just don't know if I believe it given how circumstantial it is?

My evidence is that every single time someone pushes me in this way they've been scum. Pooky in Dogs v Cats, Menalque in Dead Silence, Guillotina in MT 2225, goats in white flag, probably others I'm forgetting.

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Gamma? Difficult to murder?

is this a slip???

Yea you're scum too lol

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I mean I'm not a meta person but this is also exactly what LLD did in Yggdrasil to Murdercat while he protested that she was obviously scum and we didn't believe him cause she had bussed day one

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That aggressive poking is scummy. That's the entire point. And notice how she is using this push on me to try to reach out into the rest of the game. It's tunnel -> interact by asking opinions on me. It's an inorganic way to get engaged because it's focusing on a specific spot to generate content on cause it's much easier to just post about one person than 12.

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I think you should compile your evidence instead of tacking it on through practice

If your conviction is strong enough on LLD, I'm willing to listen. I just don't know if I believe it given how circumstantial it is?

My evidence is that every single time someone pushes me in this way they've been scum. Pooky in Dogs v Cats, Menalque in Dead Silence, Guillotina in MT 2225, goats in white flag, probably others I'm forgetting.

Well for Dogs v Cats, you were scum too

Wasn't your read before LLD though?

My read on the loftwing!slot being scummy mostly followed her replace in

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And yea it was multiball but the push was still scummy af

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

so wait, where is your scum LLD read from if not from thinking she was bussing?

My LLD read developed well before that and comes from the fact that LLD hasn't once given me the benefit of the doubt except for one moment with morph that I read as very fake. LLD has continued to push me in a way that I find very opportunistic, and her read on me only started when I revealed that I was scum reading LLD. In other words, if I'm the only townie that thinks that scum LLD is scum I am a good target to push and she has continued to push me with no deeper thought behind whether she believes she is correct.

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Previous post cause lld said it was a lie about her Murdercat push. Look at what he says: no benefit of the doubt, opportunistic after the mention of a scumread, etc.

That aggressive poking is scummy. That's the entire point. And notice how she is using this push on me to try to reach out into the rest of the game. It's tunnel -> interact by asking opinions on me. It's an inorganic way to get engaged because it's focusing on a specific spot to generate content on cause it's much easier to just post about one person than 12.

None of that really explains to me why that’s scummy, unfortunately.

Most of the ways I try to interact with the game as town upon entering are frankly inorganic

I’m just not making the leap from aggressive poking to scum, because also aggressive poking is just like a hallmark of LLD’s play. It feels like you’re poking at a play style thing here, and tbh the argument that scum has done this to you before doesn’t hold a lot of water for me and I don’t think it should for you either

No townie has ever done this kind of push on me

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Like even going back to 6 years ago I remember Elyse doing a push on me like this and she was serial killer and no one listened to me and she won the game

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Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

so wait, where is your scum LLD read from if not from thinking she was bussing?

My LLD read developed well before that and comes from the fact that LLD hasn't once given me the benefit of the doubt except for one moment with morph that I read as very fake. LLD has continued to push me in a way that I find very opportunistic, and her read on me only started when I revealed that I was scum reading LLD. In other words, if I'm the only townie that thinks that scum LLD is scum I am a good target to push and she has continued to push me with no deeper thought behind whether she believes she is correct.

Compare this to this game where I have

Asked you questions

given you the benefit of the doubt in terms of wanting to explain your reads

asked others for their opinion on you

and actively tried to sort you

just because I've ended up on "you look scummy" doesn't mean that I'm doing what I did to MC that game, which was deny MC access to all their allies by boxing them out and painting them with a broad bad brush every chance I got.

Which is... actually not remotely what like I'm doing here, given you have more than enough attempts to prove yourself from my questions and interrogation?

That's not what you've done at all. Every question is a leading one to the conclusion of me being scum and you went straight into tunnel mode

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and I didnt even push D-lee in Dogs V Cats

I just called him a scumbag.

But all of your content was focused on me and beeboy! slot

[Dwlee99]

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

Probably similarly cause I'd be mimicking my reaction to this in the past. My goal would be to just not get in this situation which I would do by not picking a fight with LLD

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: LLD
I'll consolidate when I have to but I want bragging rights of having my vote on scum D1

Like sure I could do this as scum but I typically play ok the safer side there because I know any push on me will actually be legit and I'll have trouble fighting it off because of that

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee hasn't tilted like this in either of their scumgames that I've been in, for what it's worth. My impression of Dwlee's scumgame is that it's hard to set them off like this and they're just actually a peeved townie

At one point I nailed the scumteam in Mini 2232 and Dwlee didn't care at all

Didn't you describe me as tilted on the last day of 2232?

[Dwlee99]

I think I want LLD dead.

Vibes come off as more "trying to get people to agree with me" instead of "try to accurately sort a slot"

Based

[Dwlee99]

I'm gonna take a break for the night from here so cya tomorrow

[Dwlee99]

Asstastic sounds like a compliment so I'll take it

[Dwlee99]

Asstastic sounds like a compliment so I'll take it

Do you want to actually fucking engage my grievances with you?

Not in the mood rn

I'll talk to you tomorrow morning

[Dwlee99]

Hi everyone. Still not responding to things cause I don't have time for that but I will say that Navi's hop onto my wagon was garbo so I will help you all kill her

[Dwlee99]

That's some bad posting town or not. Like if you're town what are you doing claiming like that. If you're scum it looks bad to piecemeal it you should know

I also just said I'd kill Navi which is a possible CW. Claiming was just unnecessary

[Dwlee99]

Okay I didn't read what Gork said about you only about me so yea sure. I'll be back later, need to finish grading stuff cause I was supposed to finish by last night and uh didn't

[Dwlee99]

Hi okay I finished what I needed to do this morning

So lemme find that gamma post

[Dwlee99]

Pretty much all of them

Maybe not the poe one?

749 was because you pinged my tell about wagon logic fishing, and I wanted more info on it before passing hard judgment on the matter
764 was because you showed no signs of a PoE before (and obviously it was horseshit based on ensuing posts)
787 was trying to track if you were actually sorting or just spewing bullshit that sounds believable.
1144 is because I think Meg and you can be partners (tho tbh I also thought that in LN 235 and was wrong)

I’d like it if you could

actually engage

with any of them. Because so far you’ve basically blown me off which idk, feels a little weird for you especially with your read on me.

What is wagon logic fishing? I asked for obvious reasons - I wanted to understand why people were wagoning Kazyan.

I explained my poe was based on thinking town were wagoning kazyan

Without poe it makes less sense to activity tell someone

Okay

[Dwlee99]

I feel like there was another one

[Dwlee99]

Can't find it, oh well

[Dwlee99]

Idk let's try this
VOTE: Navi

[Dwlee99]

I don't see the slip

[Dwlee99]

Wagon logic fishing is trying to draw out reasons to read if you want to be on a push or not
I think it’s doable by both alignments but scum maybe do it in a certain way that is distinct from how town do it

I do remember you saying kaz wagon was town but your logic kinda didn’t go any farther to my knowledge, and the kaz wagon is < half the plist so your poe is still pretty large that homing in on one player should not be solely due to it

I honestly dgaf about “activity telling”, my issue is your concept of Kid’s play was demonstrably dead wrong and you’ve failed to show any recognition of that
Why should I not think you’re scum when your sorting is absolutely half-assed and shallow?

It was activity and that I thought active slots are town which implies inactive slots are scum

How was my concept of his play wrong?? He did literally nothing

[Dwlee99]

I didn't say he was eating popcorn in the scum PT. I said he was sitting on the sidelines which is true flake or not

[Dwlee99]

Get Navi

I don't think that's a slip

[Dwlee99]

Gamma you put way more thought into how I word things than I do

That's what I meant, idc if you want to tell me I meant something different from what I meant cause you're just wrong

[Dwlee99]

I don't think that's a slip

awol until someone like dannflor is here to give me a second opinion im not engaging on another conversation like this where someone tells me im wrong with no reasoning.

Okay but you have to convince me it is one, not the other way around

[Dwlee99]

because from unwnd's POV hes literally already said that gamma would be a probable partner that we would look at if the worst flips red
so why would he now be like "guh idk who could it be who is bussing the worst i just cant figure it out" that logic is completely broken

Yea I read this. I don't buy it. Like okay sure or it could be a question for the class to answer

[Dwlee99]

Gamma you put way more thought into how I word things than I do

That's what I meant, idc if you want to tell me I meant something different from what I meant cause you're just wrong

K cool

<3

[Dwlee99]

because from unwnd's POV hes literally already said that gamma would be a probable partner that we would look at if the worst flips red
so why would he now be like "guh idk who could it be who is bussing the worst i just cant figure it out" that logic is completely broken

Yea I read this. I don't buy it. Like okay sure or it could be a question for the class to answer

Why are you the only one defending me.

That feels fucking weird. I have you in my lower brackets. You don't care?

You don't have to be right to be town...

[Dwlee99]

because from unwnd's POV hes literally already said that gamma would be a probable partner that we would look at if the worst flips red
so why would he now be like "guh idk who could it be who is bussing the worst i just cant figure it out" that logic is completely broken

Yea I read this. I don't buy it. Like okay sure or it could be a question for the class to answer

I fail to see partners acting around him?

this is the part.
ignore the part about the question to the class.
THIS PART makes no fucking sense from someone who has just said gamma was a good candidate for scum with the worst and has gamma at the bottom of his reads.

I see your words. I accept logic exists. Humans are weird though

[Dwlee99]

Also unwnd scum probably avoids making 1928 cause it makes me look good if he is red when before that he could at least think I'll get killed for this defense

[Dwlee99]

Eh if you wanna go for it I'm sure you can find 6 other people to vote unwnd just not me

[Dwlee99]

I could do Gamma

Still think I prefer Navi but that’s just my own stubbornness

Sorry I’m really strapped for time right now and won’t be writing any novels, will try to be back in full tonight

Then vote Navi

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee: No. Still townleaning. I checked Dwlee's ISO for a particular tell that they've done in both of their scumgames that I was in, and I didn't find it even though there were plenty of chances with LLD. I'm not gonna say what it is because then they won't do it for sure

I hate this stuff cause now I'm gonna have to go find what it is at some point

[Dwlee99]

LLD is like.. literally openwolfing. but ok. will do Navi if it means I live the day.

yea :/

[Dwlee99]

Hi everyone

[Dwlee99]

I voted navi because not tw/gamma and because she hopped onto my wagon with a naked vote

[Dwlee99]

why navi instead of gamma/lld?

Me? I didn't want to vote gamma, and LLD wasn't a wagon I thought was gonna go through. And unless you think I'm partnered with LLD or gamma here what do you want out of this question?

[Dwlee99]

Pooky is my 2nd strongest townread I just trust him even less than usual lmao

why navi instead of gamma/lld?

Me? I didn't want to vote gamma, and LLD wasn't a wagon I thought was gonna go through. And unless you think I'm partnered with LLD or gamma here what do you want out of this question?

Don't think you're partnered with either of them. I'm trying to get a better gauge on why I couldn't get LLD's wagon off the ground yday.

I just didn't think it'd happen which I already said but yea

[Dwlee99]

LLD do you still think I'm super evil baddie of bad

[Dwlee99]

Who should we be voting here

[Dwlee99]

I think MC is town but the other two could flip anything maybe. I thought gamma was town last day phase and now I forget why I thought that.

[Dwlee99]

dwlee just seems kinda lost. I don't have a good sense of where they want to go today or what they want to do. I'm hesitant to just mark that as towny though because this is a weird game state in general and I could see scum being a little frozen right now

Yea idk what's happening

I need to actually find a way to read this game but I feel like I don't think have enough strong townreads to start going off of yet

[Dwlee99]

I'll hold off on voting til vote count but I don't like 2340

[Dwlee99]

Why would you vote outside of Kaz/unwnd today with that result?

[Dwlee99]

Why would you vote outside of Kaz/unwnd today with that result?

Because it’s not truly conclusive and the lack of kill had me wondering things that made claiming extremely unappealing.

But if one of them is scum flipping one of them guarantees we lim scum by tomorrow...

[Dwlee99]

I think Gamma is scum here but also probably better to get another parity check just in case?

[Dwlee99]

I no killed back in 2015 or 2016 on a night to prevent an x-shot vendor-esque role from becoming conftown because they couldn't give the item and kill the same night

[Dwlee99]

Can we just lim outside this trio today and force gamma to get another result

[Dwlee99]

Shea put in a follow the cop in the last game I played under him. Do you not remember dogs v cats?

[Dwlee99]

And technically it was just a dog cop and dog doctor (and a second dog cop) so cats/rats could kill the dog cop but dogs were completely unable to stop a dog cop for 2 nights and only because the dog doctor claimed for ??? reasons

[Dwlee99]

Anyway idk I think the claim doesn't make sense given the way gamma has played this phase I just don't want to kill an investigative that could give us a ton of info potentially.

[Dwlee99]

I'd like to request being parity'd against someone if we let gamma live the day. The worst should be on him as well

[Dwlee99]

No we had nothing. And there were two dog cops.

[Dwlee99]

Also, we could no lim. We are on evens.

[Dwlee99]

Get another result possibly?

[Dwlee99]

Like either scum have a roleblocker or not right. If not, gamma gets another result or he is scum. So no limming either forces scum to give us another result (if gamma is town) or let us get to odds before we lim someone.

VOTE: No Lim

[Dwlee99]

Don't check the worst, that's a terrible idea. Dude is gonna eat a bullet anyway. Check me against LLD?

[Dwlee99]

No, that's not how that works at all. We need to make a conftown outside of the doc claim so scum are forced to choose between shooting PRs and shooting conftown. I know I can't be S/S with LLD and I think it's pretty obvious, so don't check against the NK target.

[Dwlee99]

If me and LLD are aligned we have 2 conftown vs the 1 if the worst and LLD are aligned cause the worst is going to eat a bullet

[Dwlee99]

Gamma you see LLD's entrance and think we could both be scum?

[Dwlee99]

And even if I was scum you think I pick my scum partner and ask to be parity copped with them guaranteeing if either of us do some silly shit or get implicated somehow we are completely screwed?