Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[the worst]

thanks, nice to be here.

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VOTE: Gorkington, I think?

[the worst]

Navi, is this a PostRestriction, or is this something you're choosing to do?

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what's strange about Navi's posting?

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VOTE: dwlee99

[the worst]

I'm not super convinced on Kazyan and feel like by poe kidamn is likely scum

kazoo is town, why Kidamn?

[the worst]

Hey skullo. I've caught up.

[the worst]

aw jeez that sounds like a bunch of effort. that's not like, my strongest read, just the only one I've felt like voicing so far i'm kinda just hoping ppl will realise it on their own and move on.

[the worst]

wow gosh thanks for telling me how to spend my time smh

[the worst]

Why are you voting me?

you feel very opaque for the position you're trying to take in the game and I feel like you're someone who could do with more spotlight.

I also generally don't vibe what I can discern from your contributions.

is this question all you've got? lol

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heres your schedule for today:
8-830am - wake up and brush your teeth
830-4pm - defend kazyan from certain death
4-415pm - coffee break
415-9pm - defend yourself from certain death
9pm-whenever - sleep or something idk

in accordance with this schedule, I will adjust my mood to currently asleep

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Follow up: why aren't you voting kidamn?

it's a boring vote and I wanted to make a more startling entrance.

are these 2 q's all u got lol

[the worst]

why are you voting there?

[the worst]

love answering two of your questions w obvious answers and getting passive aggressive self quotes as a response pat yourself on the back

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ok

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look you're functionally posting a lot while doing sweet fa but trying to seem like you're engaging and solving. it's cute and hedgey and stuff but i'm going to solve you easier by trying to light a fire under you so you start doing things.

kidamn isn't posting. he has one post I don't like but it's for superficial reasons. I can vote him and hope he posts more but lighting a fire under someone who isn't even trying to have a thread presence doesn't really help me solve anyone in a hurry

this convo has reassured me i'm happy where i am bc what you're doing here? it feels a little slimey

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Worst I can't remember were you mafia in the anni game we played before ABR went and self-destructed?

I don't like, know what game you're talking about. can you point me in the direction (or just check)?

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oh. I think I'd nearly successfully blotted that from my memory. I was town.

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But also: his ISO is just an entrance without a vote and a question. Not seeing the drive to solve in him.

I noticed this and posit that it's an aggressively lukewarm read in a game where people are doing things and there is a single wagon of 5 people and a bunch of vanity votes

[the worst]

you've been a couple of tiers less lazy than Dwlee, and you've felt less like you're trying to look a certain way than Dwlee. I also don't townread you.

pedit: this is @unwnd

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this is my personal hell

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and it keeps getting worse????

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I asked about TM2020 because I thought the way you brought yourself into the game as town is different from what I'm seeing here, but I've also decided that Mafia has a dependent factor that can change based on mood. My own twiddling is representative of this, but I just find you coming in here with such PROVOCATIVE and CHOICE words like kazoo being town as a leading wagon to be odd. You didn't think Kaz was in any immediate danger, yeah? The game is still at a phase that you seem to recognize where people are fishing and making halfbaked plays.

i think you think that i think you think that i think about things more than i think you know i think about things, you know?

[the worst]

My questions have purposes even if the answer might seem obvious to you (maybe they are not to me)

cool. how have they helped?

[the worst]

I wasn't actually trying to be difficult with this one! not rn.

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I asked about TM2020 because I thought the way you brought yourself into the game as town is different from what I'm seeing here, but I've also decided that Mafia has a dependent factor that can change based on mood. My own twiddling is representative of this, but I just find you coming in here with such PROVOCATIVE and CHOICE words like kazoo being town as a leading wagon to be odd. You didn't think Kaz was in any immediate danger, yeah? The game is still at a phase that you seem to recognize where people are fishing and making halfbaked plays.

i think you think that i think you think that i think about things more than i think you know i think about things, you know?

So in short, yes?

re meta/alignment/mood, that's cool, i'm glad you feel that way

I did choose to be provocative. what of it?
how do you think it relates to my tm2020 play and why is that an alignment factor?

I don't really think Kaz is in immediate peril no. yes this game is on the precipice of getting interesting but scared of making the plunge.

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I'm not being passive aggressive I just don't want to tell you before you answer cause then how would it work

the answer is "not rn"

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ah. the best way I can answer that is that you are trying to look

a way

(@dannflor I'll count down from 3, then we yell "performative" in sync) but I can't pretend to know your mind. I think trying to guess how you come across invites a dialogue which doesn't really help me solve your alignment, so I would generally prefer to decline attempting to answer that!

I'll allow that I don't know how you expect to be read exactly but I think you expect, or hope, to be noticed less than I noticed you

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I am never the change that is needed, just a change.

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I did choose to be provocative. what of it?
how do you think it relates to my tm2020 play and why is that an alignment factor?

just re-stating interest in this. I'd also like to know why it's the only part of my post you didn't address, please.

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I think im putting in a lot more effort to see you than you're putting in to see me, Dwlee.

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A bit of meta takes: Kaz is not the most orderly player. I've played about 2-3 games with them now and I never find much method to why they do things. Kaz's own response to this is that people think they're 'evil' early, but like. Nothing they've done I think is necessarily evil?

no problems, you're entitled to these opinions

I don't know why they chose that description because I would describe them as 'aloof' personally. Typically what people look for in townies are those who are willing to be unguarded and give out their opinions. They've doubled down on themselves and made a minor case on Pooky and called them an SK. I think this is all ridiculous, especially so because it came back-to-back-to-back.

is there a particular reason you found this switch ridiculous? not a leading question, it reads a certain way to me and I'm interested to see why you think it's scum motivated.

Kaz gave themselves no set period of time where they just let their opinions lie, and instead just kept moving along. I am not a fan of this because readlists to me are done because you want people to take them in and see how people react to them. If the readlist they gave was of import, why does it seem like it is not really determining anything at this rate. It came so early and without warning and now it seems like Kaz doesn't even care and is just on to the next thing.

That's definitely a factor if you're doing a readlist to garner reactions. It's not a factor if you're doing a readlist because you want to present your current reads. Is it scum motivated to drop a post and then not really care how people react to it? Is it scum motivated to continue on to new things that people are doing which change your reads on them?

These are leading questions but I'm still genuinely interested in your answers.

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You're probably putting in too much effort if you feel that way because my posts are basically just stating things that happened or basic questions. I'm not being subtle or anything, I'm saying what I mean very plainly.

I think I've answered your last question in the best faith I can. I can't really guess with any degree of accuracy how you want to look. Are you acting a certain way because you know certain people in this plist will be sympathetic to certain styles of play? No idea. Are you acting a certain way because you'd rather slip under the radar? Smells like it, but again, not really sure. Are you acting a certain way because you're working towards something? Doesn't seem like it, not sure.

I can entertain like 100 different ideas in the span of a minute and flinging posts back and forth while I make guesses about your personality doesn't feel productive for me. All I know is that I feel like you're posting to be seen a certain way, and without any like, sincerity/earnestness. That sticks out.

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I did choose to be provocative. what of it?
how do you think it relates to my tm2020 play and why is that an alignment factor?

just re-stating interest in this. I'd also like to know why it's the only part of my post you didn't address, please.

I took back a thought after I typed it. I looked at your posts and in my mind went 'this is different from (TM 2020) example' but my keystrokes were already done. That's why I mentioned about how people sometimes play differently on mood. I am literally the exact same. Sometimes I just wanna do some different shit for the fuck of it and other times I'm back on my normal grind which is word salad and making allusion in text. It didn't feel right to judge you for the same thing, but here we are.

Alright. Can you capture that spark in your mind which originally made you consider my TM2020 example? Even if it's blatantly incorrect, or abstract.

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I don't think you're passive aggressive for the most part, I was actually surprised by how passive aggressive the self quote thing felt. I genuinely feel like I'm answering your questions in the most sincere way I can.

Probably more interested in hearing the motivation behind the questions than your updated read on me (though being townread makes my brain shoot out little tiny fireworks, so feel free to townread me too).

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@unwnd, read and understood. is there a reason you're holding your vote?

I think scum necessarily tp hunting has two facets:
1) as a wikitell (which only really help by advancing game state) on people who have the audacity to explicitly suggest they read someone as third party.
2) as a mindset tell (they're genuinely just tp hunting at the expense of scumhunting / they appear to view the tp as a higher priority issue than groupscum).

I feel like you're fairly focused on the former, and I'm not satisfied that you've made an effort to discern their alignment moreso than you've made an effort to discern whether their posts look towny at a surface level.

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I haven't felt like you're not being sincere in answering my questions, so sorry if I gave off that impression? It's literally just that I'm lazy. My entire read on kidamn is contained in Poe + those two posts are just whatever and I don't think there is more to say there, so I'll just quote myself cause it's easier to tap two buttons than type it out again or try to think of a different way to phrase such a read.

Questions were just to get into your head space and try to sort you, 392 was the conclusion of that. Although the kidamn questions were more just me trying to make a wagon happen where I want it

no harm done, I think this might be a situation where we were both expecting something slightly different from the other and then we both did people things and now the whole interaction is all peopled and here we are.

I'm a very awkward person.

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my third eye is swiveling back and forth at blinding speed.

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adjacent-ish for me, I think they care more about developing reads than they care about how they're viewed

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VOTE: dwlee

helllll yeeeeeeeeAaaaaa

I'm calling this the bus vote and I'm literally overlooking a dann vote to do so

[the worst]

+1 #409

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Spoiler: super secret, town only

honestly I'm not even sure I've totally convinced myself Kazyapple is town exactly?? I just trust the pressure on them less than I trust their posting and I'm kinda worried there's no cw and they're getting pressure from unwnd who isn't voting them

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what's your vibe check which leads to that conclusion?

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I probably agree, with the caveat that threatening scum are present but not active in advancing the game. Dannflor is also the deepwolf but that's not super relevant right now.

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Spoiler: super secret, town only

honestly I'm not even sure I've totally convinced myself Kazyapple is town exactly?? I just trust the pressure on them less than I trust their posting and I'm kinda worried there's no cw and they're getting pressure from unwnd who isn't voting them

Spoiler: Even more secret, for unwnd only

Dwlee is exhibiting close to the same behavior Kaz is, albeit with a different goal in mind

Spoiler: TOP SECRET, for unwnd/ducky

You two can just talk in the scum PT instead of doing this scum theatre, it will look bad later on

Spoiler: for pooky's eyes only

i have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not allowed to open unwnd's spoiler.

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I probably agree, with the caveat that threatening scum are present but not active in advancing the game. Dannflor is also the deepwolf but that's not super relevant right now.

I'm not sure what you mean by present but not active. Who is that?

would rather not speculate this early while my reads are in flux. the opposite of what unwnd is doing, if that helps.

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Why would you not vote for the person who you think is Mafia

Like I think Pooky would do this even as town (I still think he's SK/delighting in being the villain; nice crumb), but Dann?

vote people you're null on so they panic and start making alignment tells

let's say you've found sk pooky. what are the rest of your reads - e.g. townreads?

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If kidamn flips scum I claim conftown status

I'll pay that would be a *very* funny bus decision

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VOTE: pooky

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CONFUSED ABOUT: Dann and Gork

why are you particularly confused about these two?

[the worst]

I'M CONFUSED.

[the worst]

Yes ofc. I actually learned the right hand for lost woods on the piano which should help

i think you accidentally just became my friend too

[the worst]

VOTE: Kazyan + kidamn & pooky competing wagons pls

[the worst]

a) ive been reading you/the worst as partnered since before wake replaced

that's my secret, daer gorkington, i am sucm with EVERYONE

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I think Kazyan is falling more under the umbrella of "townies who did outrageous things"

but I don't know where I'd rather like my vote at the moment

the kidamn wagon is a terrible waste of votes

i think their post on the previous page was genuinely not really towny

their townreads are like.. fffffine

their scumread is pooky who they SK read and their other group read is masons
they reacted to being townread by generally just ignoring it and reciprocating the read

kinda think they're just newish scum

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idk im a little worried about being too controlling this game.
assuming dannflor is town here it reads more like hes voting to appease me rather than genuinely seeing what im seeing with kazyan so im wondering if i should just backseat and deal with what im seeing on kazyan not being something that other people are seeing.

i would just be frustrated if we lol-limmed kidamn when hes not even here when we may just get a replacement/he may show back up if we wait.

for the record i think this is more synergous with dann's towngame (appeasing you when you're leading + unlikely to hit lategame has limited novelty for scum!dann) but i also think dann is too capable as scum to just hard townread

something something deepwolf something

[the worst]

Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

those are just lurkers/active ppl with low presence.. i'd be fairly surprised if this was even 2/3

[the worst]

continuing with the worst, he entered without a developed read on Kazyan but decided to defend him anyway. the worst is an experienced player so this doesn't hold up 100%, but very generally scum want to make sure their reads on partner's become very developed and detailed because those are the reads that most need to seem "real." the fact that the worst was basically just like, eh gut towny vibes, goes against that and I also find it believable given I've personally experienced Kazyan saying some similarly outrageous things in games before as town

i tend to enter non-micros with the mindset that it's better to start with a read and fix it than enter without a read

[the worst]

i'm somewhere like

{tw}
{loft, gork}
{dann, navi} (i am wrong on these reads but i still have them...)
{dwlee, unwnd}

some cluster of kazy (lost faith), megazu (most likely to be town of this cluster but also a user i am likely to be wrong on)
kidamn + murdercat need to do more
calling it now: pooky needs to die before endgame

[the worst]

house is kind of with kidamn & murdercat. i think house is trying more tho so maybe house is closer to megazu.

[the worst]

Rude of you to put me so low

think of it as "uncertain but slowly trending upwards against my better judgement"

[the worst]

devastated you didn't do my ISO. don't you know i'm a celebrity?

[the worst]

Wooper?

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i think the tells of lack of interest in finding groupscum are like, starting to show. i'm also not married to this really.

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ya basically same re. dannflor. when i first read my first read was that you + dann were town but then i remembered it's dann. he's still getting a pass for the foreseeable future though

i can see why it seems like thats what im saying
but the point isnt that the reads are outrageous, its that theres so many reads that feel like kazyan is picking a gimmick to justify, rather than them just believing that a player is mafia or town and having reasoning to back it up.

this is well said

pedit: not really he's just trolling in lieu of alignment telling and i don't pick up any of what he's puttin down

[the worst]

that sounds wise. if i made a list of players in this game to be paranoid of, i think pooky would be surprisingly close to the top.

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actually that sounds really fun hold on

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my impressions are probably somewhere around here

Dannflor (he)
Navi (she)
Pookythemagicalbear (he)
Gorkington (he)
The Worst (he)
MegAzumarill (doesn't care)
Unwnd (he)
Murdercat (he)
Dwlee99 (they)
Kazyan (they)
House (he)
KidAmn (he)
loftwing (he)

pedit: hmm idk. i'd say you're polarised towards town, but you're also really good at being energetic and it's kind of easy to forget that you can roll scum sometimes, you know?

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i may be giving myself too much credit, and the middle/bottom of the list is a lot murkier, to be fair
i'm also being cautionary around megazu but it's very easy to kinda forget to scrutinise megazu

[the worst]

that question is off-point in so many ways i don't even know how to correct it

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fwiw that is a mindset i associate with house's meta. it's not really a mindset i agree (white knight scummy opportunities y'all), but it's definitely a house thing.

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also duckie is probly at the top of my list

I don't think I've ever played with town!duckie in my life

i was town in mini 2241

i may be giving myself too much credit, and the middle/bottom of the list is a lot murkier, to be fair
i'm also being cautionary around megazu but it's very easy to kinda forget to scrutinise megazu

Scrutinizing me is never a good idea.
Half the time I don't even know what I'm doing.

that's exactly why i scrutinise you!! (and incidentally why people should scrutinise me )

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that sounds wise. if i made a list of players in this game to be paranoid of, i think pooky would be surprisingly close to the top.

my impressions are probably somewhere around here

Dannflor (he)
Navi (she)
Pookythemagicalbear (he)
Gorkington (he)
The Worst (he)
MegAzumarill (doesn't care)
Unwnd (he)
Murdercat (he)
Dwlee99 (they)
Kazyan (they)
House (he)
KidAmn (he)
loftwing (he)

pedit: hmm idk. i'd say you're polarised towards town, but you're also really good at being energetic and it's kind of easy to forget that you can roll scum sometimes, you know?

So are you most paranoid or least paranoid of me?

I want to clear this up because
#1: I think some of the other players here are mistaking this as a readlist and
#2: You don't label your Axes.

I'm a pacifist, I don't have an axe.

People mistaking this for a readlist helps me read them.

I feel least paranoid of you, because I feel like I'm acutely aware of your position in this gamestate. Idrk you though so I could be underestimating a secret alt scum God or something. Did someone say you're Jake?

[the worst]

heyo gamma

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such high praise... I'm blushing...

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i'll be a bit indisposed for the next ~48 hours (work is messy)

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you leave SK alive because the mafia have to kill the SK before the SK kills them

SK is just as dangerous as a vig to the mafia side

Aren't most sks bp though?

I agree that sks can be anti mafia, but they definitely arent pro town

full bp is kinda wild, one-shot is probably more common

this is a weird tangent. pooky is also generally correct. groupscum is significantly more dangerous in earlygame.

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you leave SK alive because the mafia have to kill the SK before the SK kills them

SK is just as dangerous as a vig to the mafia side

Aren't most sks bp though?

I agree that sks can be anti mafia, but they definitely arent pro town

full bp is kinda wild, one-shot is probably more common

this is a weird tangent. pooky is also generally correct. groupscum is significantly more dangerous in earlygame.

I'd think it'd be the opposite, but doesnt really matter either way.

little abstract, but i'd posit two points (super briefly, and then end the convo because you're right, it doesn't actually matter).
- town winrate tends to be significantly higher in semi-open setups when those setups include a serial killer. skilled scum will assert themselves into a position in the gamestate where they're hard to remove via elimination. in the absence of a vigilante, they won't be removed via night kill. removing those scum is anti-groupscum, pro-town, pro-sk.
- generally speaking, groupscum control 3/13 of the dialouge on d1. in the worst case scenario you can be looking at a situation where scum control 3/7 of the conversation by ELo on day four with one kill per night. serial killers are harder to discern from town in the abstract, but they have significantly less control over the day game.

anyway, this is probably most a philosophical conversation and we can agree to land on opposite sides if that's how it is. where are you at in this game?

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probably agree that unwnd's position in the game is not intuitive for scum. i don't, like..scumread loftwing at all though

[the worst]

i am the scums and i have fooled u all, muahaha

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hold on let me make a note

ok. thanks. we can continue.

VOTE: pooky

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Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

those are just lurkers/active ppl with low presence.. i'd be fairly surprised if this was even 2/3

lolno, that only applies to meg at best

meg category 1, house/dwlee category 2.

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can i bus d1 & d2 then tell everyone they are bad and have to sheep me? please?

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i dont understand how anyone has a read on navi tbh.

it's easier to read the energy of navi's posts than the words of them, read navi with your soul

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The first 20 pages in the House ISO legitimately have no reads, or even a provoking gamestate thought. There's also a few excuses for the lack of aggression(?) somewhere in there. How he is being townread is beyond me.

unwnd that means he's not scum trying to look town

don't mind this generally.

i'm also anxious because town!house seems to have a deep profound want to look like town as well tbh

[the worst]

i'm getting pedited so much i'm just gonna come back later

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a peculiar dance we dance while we stall out pooky's inevitable elimination

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sorry pooky, nothin personal

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VOTE: murdercat

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ditto

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i'm cooling off on my navi townread but i don't really think they're actually scummy (they've been absent for nearly half the game thread lol). mcat is scummy when he's here.

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UNVOTE:
I support both navi and murdercat wagons.
Probably the former over the latter because I don't speak poet.

votes are a fair bit more valuable than words, 184.

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UNVOTE:
I support both navi and murdercat wagons.
Probably the former over the latter because I don't speak poet.

votes are a fair bit more valuable than words, 184.

What does the 184 mean?

if that is your real name

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loftwing hmu when you've caught up

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it totally does if you're the deciding vote!

[the worst]

this progression makes my head spin

just because I can see the dance doesn't mean I can't dance it

[the worst]

if kaz flips scum i'm willing to kill either of wake/unwnd next

Could you go into more detail about this?

Heyo where are your strongest reads at?

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if kaz flips scum i'm willing to kill either of wake/unwnd next

Could you go into more detail about this?

Heyo where are your strongest reads at?

Not really feeling much right now. My mind hasn't changed much, my reads have pretty much been

Haus/Pooky Townlean

Gorkington/Dweelee Scumlean

I dunno if that's just because I haven't been paying attention, or maybe this game isn't engaging for me, but either way most players are null here.

That's neat. I think Gork & Dwlee are both town, Pooky idrk but I want dead, House I'm like lukewarm nulltown on.

I don't really think either of your scumleans are likely to be wagoned today - how do you feel about people's voting lately?

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Pooky idrk but I want dead

idrk but I really feel like u need to die before I'll feel comfortable

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Feel like its just 3 of {pooky, mcat, dann, navi} but sure hope I'm wrong

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Worst things I'm town now weeee

Loftwing what's suspicious about my ISO except me not being here the past ~12 hours while y'all hyperposted?

At some point the wind changed and you're one of my strongest townreads and I'm still not sure how I feel about it but I'm enjoyin the moment

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heyo

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intent to hammer

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loftwing isn't a v exciting lim for me. their words feel pure. i kinda wonder if they're missing context clues that i'd expect town to intuit more naturally or something.

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i can't i just thought you'd appreciate the humour

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intent to hammer

Do it

Where's the cryptic text?

I think I might have to drop my post restriction because it's taking up a bit too much time to compose posts in that format. I enjoy it but I don't have the rl time lately. I can't take twice as long engineering what I want to say.

don't think this helps much

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Heyo lld

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Feel like its just 3 of {pooky, mcat, dann, navi} but sure hope I'm wrong

Idk how I missed this, Pooky/MCat/Dann made up my second tier of suspicions after Dwlee/Meg/Jake, so it’s interesting tw came to suspect them as a whole as well. Feels like a mild mind meld in a way that isn’t setting myself up for failure.

Dwlee is towny, I think megazu could kind of go either way but I don't really suspect them much, lol. Loftwing/lld is a good wildcard but like IDK I can attribute loftwing's play to town p easily

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on the fence about whether that solve is on point after they all kinda nakedvoted me in succession lol

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The worst, you townreading me feels so out of pocket rn

I feel like I'm missing something about how I towntold here when I have arguably done less since you scumread me cause I've been more busy

irl busyness might account for what i'm seeing but not really

i think you got increasingly less focused on looking good when you were put under the microscope and i don't think that's a very intuitive move for scum to make

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"strongest townread" might be a bit exaggerated but you're probably the player i have had the strongest like, behavioural townping from

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boo hiss urself

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the reason i was interested in loft's progression on you is i felt like you were kinda scummy while we were interacting but the lack of follow-thru despite copping pressure was actually kinda weirdly towny and i wondered if they had any thoughts on that but here we are

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boo hiss urself

Why you so mean to me?!

i'm kinda like a primary school bully in a lot of ways. i think you're cool so i express that by being mean.

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heyo gang

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Gamma? Difficult to murder?

is this a slip???

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I know; Isis used a post-restricted alt in another game as Brave Heart Lion. I ate a bowl of irony for breakfast this morning and now I'm calling the trees outside my window roleblockers

i like u

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i just repped into this game and it just finished today so i can link it

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87460

duck is town in this game and got n1ed

look at his iso there and here

its like night and day difference

i mean comparing a game where i was confident and had strong reads to *waves at mini 2241* is like, a recipe for a bad time. fwiw i prefer scum.

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I actually, before opening this thread and this page, was thinking "I think worst is having too much fun in the Shea theme to be town. Also based just on my mood in the Shea theme it's weird I'm not scum.

So the way the posting itt lines up against that is amusing.

lol, this one actually tracks.

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the worst scum reading me is kinda wack considering he also doesn't want to push me, feels like he's playing around me rather than playing with me

idk

just kill one

tbf this is what ur doing to the entire game

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actually maybe the worst doesn't even scum read me, it's unclear

indeed. it's like you aren't towntelling and you're just in my PoE.

[the worst]

idk my scum game is such a meme

defining characteristic of your scum game is that you post well and are sociable particularly v early game - there's more holes later but your day one polarity is extremely low

[the worst]

it has but roasted duck is disgusting and not something you want

[the worst]

VOTE: LLD
I'll consolidate when I have to but I want bragging rights of having my vote on scum D1

so dwlee is town lol

[the worst]

Gamma? Difficult to murder?

is this a slip???

Yea you're scum too lol

aaa u got me

[the worst]

don't really feel that either dwlee or LLD are scum here

re. lld why lol?

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anyway, not really relevant

I'll grant you I probably haven't broken my scum range yet or anything

I thought you were provisionally town reading me but I take it null-PoE is more accurate

i was early but now i have real townreads and have to keep my miselim pool open ;(

jokes aside tho i don't do "passes" on the basis of personality but my early ping on you was "ah dann is doing things other people i townread are doing. i'll leave him alone". game has shifted since then and i think you've cooled off a lot and i'm not really convinced any of those moments were strong alignmnt indicators, just like.. cute moments that make me not as super anxious abt u as i could be. my read on you is like ~55% assertively null ~45% acute awareness that i don't trust myself to have a confident read on you day one

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The Worst (role pm says i'm scum so putting me at the top of my townpile to flex on every1)
Gorkington (he)
Dwlee99 (they)
Unwnd (he)

Kazyan (they)
House (he)
KidAmnGamma Emerald (he)

Dannflor (he)????

Navi (she) ????????

Murdercat - objectively scummy but if this is a d1 pass situation, i respect it
Pookythemagicalbear (he)

1 of:
MegAzumarill (doesn't care)
loftwingLady Lambdadelta


if i had 3 bullets i'd shoot mcat, pooky and lld

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VOTE: lld

[the worst]

I'm not convinced you are really reading the conversation and are going after someone in spite of context. I don't think you really care what Dwlee is saying.

megazu in lock-step with my brain

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not only does Aisling have a read and want it to be heard, but MORE IMPORTANTLY they are doing so because they are TOWN and the game is STAGNATING close to DEADLINE and we need more DATA!!! join Aisling in their RIGHTEOUS CAUSE!!!! to save the game from STAGNATION!!!!!!!!

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(may i please check pronouns for Aisling?)

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as a player/general agent of chaos i'd be interested in a kazyan wagon but i think i'm at the point where my heart isn't in it unless one of my reads flips around again or i'm just like.. epicly wrong abt something

[the worst]

if we move back to mcat i'm with you 107%. compare dwlee here to dwlee when i did the questioning thing.

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hey maybe i'd even do navi too! (it's like my ~4th choice tho)

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not only does Aisling have a read and want it to be heard, but MORE IMPORTANTLY they are doing so because they are TOWN and the game is STAGNATING close to DEADLINE and we need more DATA!!! join Aisling in their RIGHTEOUS CAUSE!!!! to save the game from STAGNATION!!!!!!!!

(may i please check pronouns for Aisling?)

You don't get to make the first post and then ask the second one. Like we just had a whole discussion of good faith bad faith, and I feel I've acted in good faith.

You going around parading and doing a mockery of me and playing "Dumb guy" to insult my intelligence, then asking my pronouns?

Like, no. Seriously go away.

first one is a game take, second one is just, like.. asking a question. settle petal.

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like i'm sorry that your replace in has been pushing a borderline nonsensical read and then yelling that you are doing so not because it's a real considered read from a game you've read, but because you want data. like that's transparent as fuck and i'm not picking up what you're putting down. you kinda deserved to be mocked for hamfisting your rep-in.

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Worst bus ur partner

(This is a half-serious read)

help me bus xox

[the worst]

y'all pooky seems to be onto us can we swing a wagon back onto him?

oosp wrong thread

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i'm just going to play around you because you're being a caricature and i don't think i need to sink my time into that.

i would really appreciate a pronoun check if you're ok with that, but this is the last time i'll labour the point.

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like i'm sorry that your replace in has been pushing a borderline nonsensical read and then yelling that you are doing so not because it's a real considered read from a game you've read, but because you want data. like that's transparent as fuck and i'm not picking up what you're putting down. you kinda deserved to be mocked for hamfisting your rep-in.

Oh, so we're doing mockery for fun now?

That's the type of game we're playing?

Kay.

ya

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like you're not meaningfully advancing the game. you're loudly virtue signalling that you're here to advance the game. you're called out, and you're actively unpleasant. what's your game here?

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i'm just going to play around you because you're being a caricature and i don't think i need to sink my time into that.

i would really appreciate a pronoun check if you're ok with that, but this is the last time i'll labour the point.

I'm not being a caricature. You're literally just insulting me. I'm not putting on some kind of extra ritz.

Once again, my pronouns are in 2 different places this game. In the vote counts and on my profile.

cool, thank you.

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The only high ground you ever had was the fucking blunts you're smoking right now

p sure Darth Vader chopped down Obi-wan on even ground bro

which movie did you watch

this makes my soul cry, thanks.

[the worst]

even in hell : (

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like you're not meaningfully advancing the game. you're loudly virtue signalling that you're here to advance the game. you're called out, and you're actively unpleasant. what's your game here?

In what way am I actively unpleasant, or is this another personal crack?

noting that's the part of the question that relates the least to your alignment

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i'm choosing to use mildly provocative language which sums up your entire public position in this thread so far. if you could do game related things rather than just spam offense we might even get somewhere!

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you're not using buzzwords imo. your play is just really cliche.

[the worst]

i'm perpetually sensitive and i'm trying to decide if i need to take a stroll because you're legitimately under my skin.

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ignoring posts where you're like, clearly transparently condescending in your language towards dwlee:

Hey guys, want to actually revive this game instead of letting it become a status quo slog?

Let's flash wagon Dwlee for their recent vote and posting. If they don't want to give answers, we can just kill them.

Isn't that the old adage?

this isn't rude, but it's ham fisted and i have no regrets calling it out.

You went 0 to 100 on literally nothing

I poked you about a feeling I was getting from you. It's a weak feeling, but the real goal was to see your reaction.

Your reaction was to ask if I meant someone else, when I hadn't even read the game, to the point where Pooky had to point out I obviously meant myself.

Which to me, reads like you were feigning ignorance for a reaction dodge.

That's scummy.

Also, more importantly, what's scummy about going 0 to 100 on a replace in with 0 pressure on me?

this is you being called out on doing the thing you're doing and then doubling down on it because....blink

Cause in my mind, replacing into a slot that isn't dying today and going 0 to 100 to try and generate reads feels like what a town replacement does this close to deadline, where as a scum replacement would probably sit back, read the scum QT, slowly churn the game and help kill a townie today, unless you think all 3 of the top wagons are on scum?

oh that's right, because you're the hero this game needs to save it from stagnation

The argument that I with 0 votes on me and 3 days looming to deadline somehow felt the pressure to respond to you because you said my name is... ludicrous logic that makes no sense with how anyone would play, let alone someone who is as good at scum as you appear to think I am, given your statement about the vote on me.

So in what world does scum make that move to you, Dwlee? What's the scum motivation, if you're calling it scummy?

acutely condescending/relevant

I was asked for three names

Fuck off

Why are you upset? I'm not insulting you or attacking you, I'm pointing out flaws in your logic. Will you answer my questions, or is "fuck off" your resignation that you have no answer and I'm pushing at something you didn't expect to get pushed on?

it's almost like condescending people causes them to become frustrated? spectacular sea lion impersonation though


more heckling dwlee after admitting you don't have a read and are making it up as u go because you're here to save the game from stangation!!!!!
back and forth with other slots which don't really account to any reads except for a scumread on dwlee which is still virtually unqualified.....
.....

not only does Aisling have a read and want it to be heard, but MORE IMPORTANTLY they are doing so because they are TOWN and the game is STAGNATING close to DEADLINE and we need more DATA!!! join Aisling in their RIGHTEOUS CAUSE!!!! to save the game from STAGNATION!!!!!!!!

(may i please check pronouns for Aisling?)

You don't get to make the first post and then ask the second one. Like we just had a whole discussion of good faith bad faith, and I feel I've acted in good faith.

You going around parading and doing a mockery of me and playing "Dumb guy" to insult my intelligence, then asking my pronouns?

Like, no. Seriously go away.

yeah. i fucking called out your play, because you're trying some shit and i find it really obvious. i'm sorry you didn't like the tone of my call-out, but i don't really like your tone either.

Spoiler: personal, slightly angry

i haven't met you before and i'd be fine assuming your pronouns are she/her but i have really strong social anxiety about misstepping/invalidating people, so i didn't feel comfortable *not* checking. i'm not sorry for that. that's unrelated to the fact i think you're scum in this game, and a chunk of my tilt is coming from the fact that you seem to think the two are linked?

And then telling me to "settle petal" when I have a real grievance with your behaviour, instead of addressing it (see how I addressed it with Dwlee) is also super not okay.

this was partially informed by the fact i was actively shocked that anyone could like.. actually ever operate under the assumption that i'm pronoun checking because ?? i want to look a certain way after thinking your rep-in is shitty? ??? like what you do even think i'm doing maliciously here i'm so confused

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@Mod

I am voting MURDERCAT

think you need to direct this via DM

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ya sorry i did my thing

i'm satisfied i've split out the parts of the game which effect LLD's alignment which are like, game related and are bugging me. and then the parts which rubbed me the wrong way personally. i'll cool off - if we can't split the convo back into something game related i'll call it and take my stroll.

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I'm done with it as well.

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the worst, when you get back from your stroll, what about the dwlee push did you find nonsensical?

i literally don't relate to any of it. i don't know how to start picking it apart, because it's just yelling about surface level observations which are painted in a scummy way.

do you disagree? could you show me what you're seeing there?

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we've broken isis!! finally!

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Who do you want, MCat or LLD?

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@house
what's the positive motive you see? genuine question; i'm v much not above having missed something. if i remove my frustrations etc. then i'm still left with like.. a charitable read of very null, i think

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@house
what's the positive motive you see? genuine question; i'm v much not above having missed something. if i remove my frustrations etc. then i'm still left with like.. a charitable read of very null, i think

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I don't think there was any notice at all in the spat. It seemed more like an OOC argument than a game-related one.

That's fine, why do you think LLD is town?

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I want to flip LLD over the other viable wagons here because if LLD flips red, then I think that confirms Worst as town. I am convinced that the argument couldn't have been scum theater, if only because TSQ would have vetoed them when they considered in their PT.

I don't think it'd be appropriate for a mod to influence the game in this fashion. It's also probably best to try and avoid leaning on pie in the sky ideas like this to form reads, because if you're town, there's no way to qualify it until post-game. It just brings non-game related factors into solving the game which makes things icky and murky.

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Every post I have ever made in my life is scum theatre

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thinkkkkk so

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i just repped into this game and it just finished today so i can link it

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87460

duck is town in this game and got n1ed

look at his iso there and here

its like night and day difference

I’m not sure about this one, boss

do you remember the last time I replaced into a scumslot in a game you were in and you were like, "oh man I'll be able to tell tw's alignment in 6 seconds next time"?

I was so excited for this

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and this lld wagon is grossssss lolololol

it's dwlee (who's town), me (precious duck), megazu (no idea but reads hard unaligned with LLD).

what's gross about it?

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sooner or later, you're going to have to grapple with the fact that this is my towngame. i don't think you've put any effort into reading me, but you really seem to want my elim - that makes me figure you're after me for a reason. do i know you're scum for it? eh, not really. but what you're doing here is going to land you in shit later in the game after i've flipped green.

let's jam a bit?

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and this lld wagon is grossssss lolololol

it's dwlee (who's town), me (precious duck), megazu (no idea but reads hard unaligned with LLD).

what's gross about it?

I trust none of you

what do you want me to do with this? :/

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i think there are clear scum indicators in LLD's play so far.
i think pooky's push is pretty overtly weak, and i'm kinda surprised it's getting traction.

my solve is all over the game - i'm completely transparent. i'm gonna be here doing my thing, but if you're goin through the motions and not interested in reevaluating, then you're welcome to keep voting me without engaging.

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sooner or later, you're going to have to grapple with the fact that this is my towngame. i don't think you've put any effort into reading me, but you really seem to want my elim - that makes me figure you're after me for a reason. do i know you're scum for it? eh, not really. but what you're doing here is going to land you in shit later in the game after i've flipped green.

let's jam a bit?

this is rich coming from mr. "pooky must die"

lololololkllolll

it's almost like my mood changes like the wind or something.

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i think there are clear scum indicators in LLD's play so far.
i think pooky's push is pretty overtly weak, and i'm kinda surprised it's getting traction.

my solve is all over the game - i'm completely transparent. i'm gonna be here doing my thing, but if you're goin through the motions and not interested in reevaluating, then you're welcome to keep voting me without engaging.

I think your solve is bad.

can you qualify this past like.. "it's bad" at all..? if you're interested in working together?

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sometimes things r just staring u in h face

yes. lol. i was tearing my hair out.

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yea im sure the worst rolls scum

zees how hard it will be to bamboozle town

decides hey i have to jump in and fuck Riu d abd oush dleeeee

lololol

uusr stoup

losing it

[the worst]

alright if this gets one more vote & intent hmu otherwise i'll just be here vibing with objectively perfect reasds

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i've spoken a fair bit about my read on dwlee! i think their behaviour is fairly counter-intuitive for scum and i think their emotions at being pushed in murky faith were pretty legit. what's your concern with them?

i'm not really confident on my pool either but i think deathkitty is acutely scummy, lld is acutely scummy, and killing pooky would make the game a bunch easier for me lmao. if lld is a misyeet, I'll be a lot more scrutinous of megazu but as things stand if LLD flips red i'd near-clear megazu.

dann like... is firmly within his townrange and his scumrange and he's doing things that like.. look towny. but aren't actually that nuanced or hard to fake as scum. and i want him to be town but i i'm very far from betting the game on it. he's floating outside of my poe in some weird null range which i hate but i start chewing on the collar of my t-shirt every time i try to get him into either pile. i'm not comfortable going at him on day one because i don't trust myself to get this read right if i try and really hard commit.

navi is pretty similar but the issue is with her absence more than my sheer discomfort. her content could go either way. i thought her first couple of read posts were kinda assertive which made me like her but i think that's likely a byproduct of the posting gimmick and i'm just not convinced that i can have a read on her alignment until she's done more. we could yeet her but like. it's isis, doing nearly nothing. that's... really unusual and i'm not sure how to qualify it. so the yeet is a bit boring to me.

[the worst]

imagine having three bullets
thinking its a 50/50 on two players
and then shooting only one of those two players

this isnt really a casepoint more just something that makes me Riu d abd oush dleeeee

lategame, heck ye, d1? nah, shoot the one i scumread more and hope i get a semi-clear townread out of it.

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i'll just be here vibing with objectively perfect reasds

you recently doubtcasted your LLD read as being null if you remove your emotions from it and it feels like your pooky read has continually been a paranoia read.

are you really that confident in your reads right now or what
or am i misunderstanding something

p-edit: i had a beer earlier that must surely count for something

no i was being like, half goofy half provocative

i don't feel super confident this game, but i have been super vocal and don't really feel like i've been engaged about my reads

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i dont understand how any1 can townread tw when all he does is spew total lies into the thread

im too drunk to read anything hes' typing

but i can feel the evil

this is like.. really wolfy drunkposting.. lol.

pedit: dwlee uses they/them pronouns

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My concern with Dwlee is his handling of my slot has been absolutely asstastic

how do you think we should be reading your slot?

not "town", please - throw me some stuff that you think we should be more focused on. i'm not really comfortable by how dull my read on you is.

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Spoiler:

I recognize we have 2 days but why are you cutting this short?

im not particularly in a rush, otherwise i would be asking everyone to duckpile on and get a claim.
if this is an extension of what you think my question was for, i was asking it equally to see what your intentions were as well as your read on the gamestate at that moment when you decided to go after dwlee.

No the question is fine, I was talking about the statement you made after.

The question continued the line of process. The statement...

Man IDK, we had so much more to explore. And now people like that Azumaril person aren't really going to feel any form of concern to do anything, you know?

I don't follow

I think I want LLD dead.

Vibes come off as more "trying to get people to agree with me" instead of "try to accurately sort a slot"

her way of sorting is to tie a noose around your neck and keep tightening it until you die or towntell lol

Alright but she should get some material to make the noose out of first

She's making it out of nothing is what it looks like now

I just joined the game literally less than 24 hours ago, and I've not read anything before when I replaced in. I'm working on what I have, and what I have is some really weak Dwlee posts that contain little reasoning and seem to engender the same apathy into the game I am concerned about existing.

I think that's more than enough to begin with, frankly.

I'm not convinced you are really reading the conversation and are going after someone in spite of context. I don't think you really care what Dwlee is saying.

Spoiler: Evidence

LLD, Gamma, *sees 1189* House

What was so bad about 1189, Dwlee?

Why is Gamma scum, Dwlee?

You would know the actual situation if you had taken 5 seconds to look at the post that Dwlee has mentioned. The fact you didn't tells you don't really care about the question you are asking and its answer.

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

Probably similarly cause I'd be mimicking my reaction to this in the past. My goal would be to just not get in this situation which I would do by not picking a fight with LLD

I know that you know people have visibly used this argument enough times and seen it work a few for you to understand that

"picking a fight with LLD" is no longer an alignment indicative action that scum are afraid to do. Scum know that it can be argued it's easier to just ignore me, so they pick the fight anyway to hide under it.

This statement holds nothing but air.

This wasn't supposed to be a defense but a response to a question. It feels like you are breaking open a random rock in order to say that the wall of Dwlee's defense is weak.

not really up to digging out all the posts like, right now, but the dialouge around LLD's entrance/dwlee push and megazu's reaction would be a really fucking wonky bus decision. counterpoint within my mind is like, if i'm just wrong about LLD and she's town epic failing at the thread, she might be someone who looks like LHF so this might be opportunistic. atp i think LLD is just scum though so

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pooky is so hyertunnelled it's becoming uncute and i don't really think he's scum anymore

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im drunk and this makes no sense to me

i dont see how it can make sense to you sober folks out there

you've made like a couple of dozen posts saying that unwnd + i are scum and you don't understand anything else. it's getting a bit spammy. sorry if that's rude.

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pooky is so hyertunnelled it's becoming uncute and i don't really think he's scum anymore

you literally never said i was scum for any reason

al u did was say you wanted to kill me for ?!>>!>!>!>>!>!>!>!>!>>!>!


i dont even know

i'm reading you via like, half tea leaves, half weather patterns aorn

[the worst]

hard 2 get momentum when your wagoning scum ;(

[the worst]

bye pooky.

[the worst]

pooky dude, you've said "asstastic" is dwlee's middle name and you're accusing someone not in this game of throwing another game. you haven't added anything to this game for quite a while. would you mind stepping out so we can play please?

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My concern with Dwlee is his handling of my slot has been absolutely asstastic

bro have u never played with dwlee b4

asstatstic is their middle name

[the worst]

kazy i'm e-2 and would rather folks make up their own mind rather than submit to spamming requests. :p
do you think i'm scum? how do you feel about doing MCat or LLD instead?

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Spoiler:

I recognize we have 2 days but why are you cutting this short?

im not particularly in a rush, otherwise i would be asking everyone to duckpile on and get a claim.
if this is an extension of what you think my question was for, i was asking it equally to see what your intentions were as well as your read on the gamestate at that moment when you decided to go after dwlee.

No the question is fine, I was talking about the statement you made after.

The question continued the line of process. The statement...

Man IDK, we had so much more to explore. And now people like that Azumaril person aren't really going to feel any form of concern to do anything, you know?

I don't follow

I think I want LLD dead.

Vibes come off as more "trying to get people to agree with me" instead of "try to accurately sort a slot"

her way of sorting is to tie a noose around your neck and keep tightening it until you die or towntell lol

Alright but she should get some material to make the noose out of first

She's making it out of nothing is what it looks like now

I just joined the game literally less than 24 hours ago, and I've not read anything before when I replaced in. I'm working on what I have, and what I have is some really weak Dwlee posts that contain little reasoning and seem to engender the same apathy into the game I am concerned about existing.

I think that's more than enough to begin with, frankly.

I'm not convinced you are really reading the conversation and are going after someone in spite of context. I don't think you really care what Dwlee is saying.

Spoiler: Evidence

LLD, Gamma, *sees 1189* House

What was so bad about 1189, Dwlee?

Why is Gamma scum, Dwlee?

You would know the actual situation if you had taken 5 seconds to look at the post that Dwlee has mentioned. The fact you didn't tells you don't really care about the question you are asking and its answer.

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

Probably similarly cause I'd be mimicking my reaction to this in the past. My goal would be to just not get in this situation which I would do by not picking a fight with LLD

I know that you know people have visibly used this argument enough times and seen it work a few for you to understand that

"picking a fight with LLD" is no longer an alignment indicative action that scum are afraid to do. Scum know that it can be argued it's easier to just ignore me, so they pick the fight anyway to hide under it.

This statement holds nothing but air.

This wasn't supposed to be a defense but a response to a question. It feels like you are breaking open a random rock in order to say that the wall of Dwlee's defense is weak.

not really up to digging out all the posts like, right now, but the dialouge around LLD's entrance/dwlee push and megazu's reaction would be a really fucking wonky bus decision. counterpoint within my mind is like, if i'm just wrong about LLD and she's town epic failing at the thread, she might be someone who looks like LHF so this might be opportunistic. atp i think LLD is just scum though so

A casual reminder that if you are infact town, your inability to read me is your bad play, and has nothing to do with me. Take responsibility for your own shit.

Talking about my perception of how Megazu is reading the thread there.

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sorry, I think I broke the site a bit. that quote pyramid is crumbling.

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I was annoyed about Dann saying Meg seemed townie because I think Meg's ISO sucks and their jump-ins are also not great. Just fanning the flames. They did it with me and they did it with LLD. How is that townie?

I kinda think Megazu is more interested in being assertive and polarising than looking good which is town probably - *throws dart* - 4 times out of 7?

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don't know megazu's scumrange super well, so mileage may vary

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not really up to digging out all the posts like, right now, but the dialouge around LLD's entrance/dwlee push and megazu's reaction would be a really fucking wonky bus decision. counterpoint within my mind is like, if i'm just wrong about LLD and she's town epic failing at the thread, she might be someone who looks like LHF so this might be opportunistic. atp i think LLD is just scum though so

A casual reminder that if you are infact town, your inability to read me is your bad play, and has nothing to do with me. Take responsibility for your own shit.

Talking about my perception of how Megazu is reading the thread there.

? How is "She's town epic failing at the thread" modifying Azumaril and not me?

sorry if this is confusing just trying to fix the pyramid.

i'm entirely talking about how i see megazu's actions there. fmpov megazu is either:
- town who saw you come in and push dwlee, reacted similarly to me, and felt that it was a scum-driven move.
- scum who saw you come in and push dwlee with fairly mixed responses, and decided that you were vulnerable (colloquially/facetiously, "epic failing at the thread").

aorn i kind of think you're scummier and megazu is townier, so.
if i am wrong i am indeed taking responsibility for that read. i like having correct reads and don't like having wrong reads.

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LLD is very good at mafia and as much as i like chaotic scum plays, i do not like making myself have a bad time if i can avoid it! i had grounds to just give her a lazy townread given how i was feeling about loft a few days ago!

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tragically yeah, i think my wagon has like roughly 1 scum on it? i'd be mindful of any quick votes because i'm a bigger threat post-d1 but atp i do think the wagon is either mostly town driven, or pooky is scum having a laugh.

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kinda. he's not really doing much but his posting is scummy and kinda feels survival motivated.

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honestly i don't think the lim is likely to go through without a claim and without a competing wagon rn. i've been talking the entire time - i'm free for a bit now, then kinda busy for the next few days. if you want something, i'd suggest

scrolling thru or ctrl+fing my iso

asking me now.

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like obviously i can tell i'm in imminent danger but i don't think anyone here is dumb enough to reflexively hammer me given i'm like.. constantly spewing reads all over the thread.

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honestly i don't think the lim is likely to go through without a claim and without a competing wagon rn. i've been talking the entire time - i'm free for a bit now, then kinda busy for the next few days. if you want something, i'd suggest

scrolling thru or ctrl+fing my iso

asking me now.

Honestly can't think of anything, just thought you'd jump at the opportunity of 'my wagon is wrong and I am a townie about to be sunk'

my wagon is probably mostly well-intended, but wrong. my work is already done - there's over a hundred posts of it. every time i've been able to be present i've delivered.

i get that we're probably dealing with a situation where several townies don't

quite

feel right about me, and are comfortable vanity voting me, but i'm not easy to take down and i will be making y'all feel awful for it. <3

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@gamma what, like.. are your reads? what do you think of the analysis we've done?

big fan of contrarianism but you're pretty present and i have no idea what you're trying to do.

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I mean, consider my vote on you rn? I said before in a convo to Gork that I wanted to vote you prior to you and I getting into it, but I wanted to pressure elsewhere to get content. So consider yourself at L-1, for all intents and purposes.

This doesn't really surprise me since you don't seem all that keen on reading people's posts and engaging with content this game.

Gonna stick to talking to people who meet me half way. Don't mean this to be as snarky as it is, I just have no idea where to even start.

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ducky you lost any ability to guilt me when you made that weird post referencing I think mini 2170

YES thank you! that was the one!

you don't have to feel guilty ! i want to talk about your reads & opinions on my reads more than i want to tug @ ur heartstrings anyway

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I mean, consider my vote on you rn? I said before in a convo to Gork that I wanted to vote you prior to you and I getting into it, but I wanted to pressure elsewhere to get content. So consider yourself at L-1, for all intents and purposes.

This doesn't really surprise me since you don't seem all that keen on reading people's posts and engaging with content this game.

Gonna stick to talking to people who meet me half way. Don't mean this to be as snarky as it is, I just have no idea where to even start.

Going to casually remind you that your first engagement with me was mockery of me and insulting my intelligence, and now you're complaining that I'm not all that interested in engaging with you on your reads.

Was no such thing. It was a mockery of the way you chose to enter this game - I think insulting your intelligence would be one of the most off-point accusations a regular on MafiaScum could make.

I just thought the way you engaged Dwlee when entering was pretty poor. they clearly weren't budging, and you just got persistently more intense and condescending. meanwhile your only other read i can remember was a half-assed "dann town" (when he's the player in this list i'd consider the hardest to accurately ascertain scumrange on d1). and during all this you were extremely vocal in insisting you were doing so to shake up the game and bring it back to life looked like you were aiming to be

perceived

to be advancing the game moreso than you were actually advancing the game.

don't regret calling out your entrance for a moment, because i found it intensely unhelpful and it looked like you were acting. i've explained where my personal frustrations came from earlier - i don't think you actually meant to make me anxious in the same way that i didn't actually intend to insult your intelligence.

i'm sincerely sorry for the perceived slight. my intended approach there was to attack the play.

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@gamma what, like.. are your reads? what do you think of the analysis we've done?

big fan of contrarianism but you're pretty present and i have no idea what you're trying to do.

My reads atp are like

Kazyan
Gork
unwnd

House
Pooky

LLD
Dann

Navi
mcat

tw
Dwlee
Meg

would you be able to throw me some brain thoughts on LLD + House just to keep the conversation flowing?

the only scumread of yours i really can see is, conditionally, megazu. i agree with navi/mcat but feel like those are probably more null. i really think dwlee is town (i've talked about this quite a lot)
agree with your harder townreads generally, probably on the balance of things begrudgingly agree on pooky. that kind of {house, lld, dann} pool is an area i think i can kind of see how you might reach but i don't actually see myself. dann i don't think you'll be able to talk me into being confident on (sorry dann :c) but i'd love to jam about the others.