Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[unwnd]

Whatever you're smoking Kaz can you pass that over?

[unwnd]

Whats with you and being cult all the time

Mix it up, I'm trying to join the kvlt and start a black metal band

[unwnd]

This neighborhood geekin already

Sheesh!

[unwnd]

You're full of it, fitting for a stuffed bear

[unwnd]

Wuhh wuhh wuhh wuhh

You're like the adults in charlie brown

[unwnd]

I honestly don't know why you're asking this

Last time you claimed you were cult you were scum

Actually both of those games you claimed cult you were scum if I think about it

[unwnd]

Actually both of those games you claimed cult you were scum if I think about it

it's actually 3 games out of 3 which is why your reaction is lol so bad

Why do I join your cult if you're evil

[unwnd]

Takes a minute to fire up the neurons sometimes

I wouldn't vote you regardless of alignment because this is just asking for my attention either way

[unwnd]

Pooks is more silly than scummy

[unwnd]

Pooks is more silly than scummy

So you abandon a perfectly good reason to push him in order to sort him and write him off as silly instead of scummy?

Do you already know his alignment?

Pooky flirts with me

I already gave my reason. He does it as either alignment and there was no point to be made where I mentioned the cult thing, it was a cheeky callback and playing along lol

[unwnd]

Pooks is more silly than scummy

So you abandon a perfectly good reason to push him in order to sort him and write him off as silly instead of scummy?

Do you already know his alignment?

Pooky flirts with me

I already gave my reason. He does it as either alignment and there was no point to be made where I mentioned the cult thing, it was a cheeky callback and playing along lol

Granted, I don't know the preexisting relationship that may exist between you two, but you seemed sus when you mentioned he was scum the last 2 times he claimed cult.

Then he corrected your count to 3.

Were you not at all curious that this might be 4?

If pooky wants to loltroll and eventually got boxed in by people being townier than him then like

He's doing the job for me?

[unwnd]

I mean... maybe?

Flash reads of players admittedly isn't my strong suit (I have precious few of those, unfortunately), but I'm trying to learn.

+town for wanting to solve, but holy crap don't try to learn from me. I'm generally okay at townreads, but really really bad at scumreads.

If pooky wants to loltroll and eventually got boxed in by people being townier than him then like

He's doing the job for me?

...What?

Pooky got eliminated for those games he was trolling and claimed cult

[unwnd]

Townlean

:
House (desire to solve)
Megazumarill (Pooky reaction)

Null

:
Pooky
Everyone else

Who are you people?

:
Gork
Navi
Wake88

I'm Particularly Confused About

:
unwnd (I'm not digging the 'I don't care' vibe, but I'm also getting flashbacks to T3's replace-out in Not Quite Normal Multiball where the scummy thing really was just a joke)

Scumlean

:
Loftwing (both posts feel stiff. P-EDIT: Three posts now, but you know what I mean)

..You can make a readlist 69 posts in? lol

[unwnd]

Uh I just want you to know you're being weird and not in a quirky pooky way right now

[unwnd]

so this is the last game i played against my homie unwnd:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87367


if you read his iso in that, he is on me like white on rice but I troll him into hammering me and he ends up eating some rope cuz I'm actually a beloved princess.

his decision to let me slip away on D1 is like pretty important and changes the course of the game somewhat and you can kinda tell from his ragey getting elimmed flailing that it burns him in his soul.

So I decided to open up with the same trolly ass approach to reaction test him and his response to me in this game feels like he's dismissing me as lol-town-troll rather than suspicion which makes me think he's informed of my alignment aka scumbag

I never claimed a read on you

[unwnd]

Help me
Lakeshore turtle swallows the beach glass
Dannflor is on own pace. Pick own topic. Pure.
The explosion of the mushroom is unlife verdant
Unwnd is not good. He has focus on loud. He does not have focus on, is this music. Pooky makes lots of noises. Pooky has played the least music. Only riddles. Unwnd just wants to look strong. VOTE: unwnd[/b]
Break the middle beam of the bookshelf, it becomes a mouth that swallows you.
Kidamn be well and eat the fruits and vegetable please.
Clouds cannot come down to hug us because God pulls them to hide her acne.
Kazyan is very comfortable. Shares logic puzzle piece. Lshape. Rshape. Shape. Very good. Evils only have I shape. Try to draw others.

I don't agree with any of this. Dannflor has two posts with one unexplained vote and a minor shade at me tacked to it. I don't think it's inherently scummy, it's just null. His intentions are pretty veiled at the moment. I think that can mostly be true of everyone else besides like Pooky/Kaz and maybe House. I don't get how you (or kaz) and now even Loftwing(?) can make readlists this early. I don't think these efforts are being comfortable rather they're remarkably out of place and preemptive. That's the impression I got about Kaz and in general. Nobody is playing in such a way that makes me feel comfortable putting them on a list.

[unwnd]

is there a reason that it feels like youre taking this game at arms length rn

Yes and the reasons are unrelated to the game in particular

[unwnd]

unwnd surely you've seen people make pre-emptive reads lists before?

what specifically is bothering you about them

what conclusions do you draw from these posts being out of place and pre-emptive

They don't feel earned or really have a lot of thought put into them. I maintain about what I said about Kaz and got the completely opposite opinion Navi did lol

[unwnd]

I think you have your own special way of looking at things but lack the personal details I share with Pooky

He just happened to come to a different conclusion

[unwnd]

fair.
do you think its likely that if you are left alone youll eventually be townread this cycle?

Yes very much so, but if people want to prod me I don't really care. Pooky does it for flirt reasons and others do it because I can be enigmatic at times

[unwnd]

p-edit: are there reads that youre currently holding close to chest right now or are the readlists the main thing that youre like "dang this is the worst feeling thing that ive seen in the game so far"

this is to unwnd if unclr.

Yeah more of the latter especially with what I know of Kaz

[unwnd]

Very rude of you to give me attention Dann and then vote the person I was hinting that I was sussing.

[unwnd]

If this is more flirting it's not being done in a way that is flattering

[unwnd]

Pooky I just got done with a 17,141 post game with a 36/12 deadline that I poured my being into for 2 whole weeks

I'm taking it easy, but if something spurs me enough I will get off my lazy ass

[unwnd]

I look evil on Day 1 in every game; you'll get used to it

...No?

[unwnd]

I'm not super convinced on Kazyan and feel like by poe kidamn is likely scum

kazoo is town

, why Kidamn?

Brave take, tell me more

[unwnd]

Worst I can't remember were you mafia in the anni game we played before ABR went and self-destructed?

[unwnd]

Worst I can't remember were you mafia in the anni game we played before ABR went and self-destructed?

I don't like, know what game you're talking about. can you point me in the direction (or just check)?

TM 2020 before it get re-rolled

[unwnd]

That gives me very slight less confidence in your alignment

I too am being lazy, but how come I'm not getting your criticism? I guess people sympathize with me losing a piece of myself to MU Team mafia.

[unwnd]

I asked about TM2020 because I thought the way you brought yourself into the game as town is different from what I'm seeing here, but I've also decided that Mafia has a dependent factor that can change based on mood. My own twiddling is representative of this, but I just find you coming in here with such PROVOCATIVE and CHOICE words like kazoo being town as a leading wagon to be odd. You didn't think Kaz was in any immediate danger, yeah? The game is still at a phase that you seem to recognize where people are fishing and making halfbaked plays.

[unwnd]

I asked about TM2020 because I thought the way you brought yourself into the game as town is different from what I'm seeing here, but I've also decided that Mafia has a dependent factor that can change based on mood. My own twiddling is representative of this, but I just find you coming in here with such PROVOCATIVE and CHOICE words like kazoo being town as a leading wagon to be odd. You didn't think Kaz was in any immediate danger, yeah? The game is still at a phase that you seem to recognize where people are fishing and making halfbaked plays.

i think you think that i think you think that i think about things more than i think you know i think about things, you know?

So in short, yes?

[unwnd]

I asked about TM2020 because I thought the way you brought yourself into the game as town is different from what I'm seeing here, but I've also decided that Mafia has a dependent factor that can change based on mood. My own twiddling is representative of this, but I just find you coming in here with such PROVOCATIVE and CHOICE words like kazoo being town as a leading wagon to be odd. You didn't think Kaz was in any immediate danger, yeah? The game is still at a phase that you seem to recognize where people are fishing and making halfbaked plays.

i think you think that i think you think that i think about things more than i think you know i think about things, you know?

So in short, yes?

re meta/alignment/mood, that's cool, i'm glad you feel that way

I did choose to be provocative. what of it?
how do you think it relates to my tm2020 play and why is that an alignment factor?

I don't really think Kaz is in immediate peril no. yes this game is on the precipice of getting interesting but scared of making the plunge.

I commend you for being the

change

this game needs, but I don't know if it was needed. Kaz is being strange. A lot of people talked about it. My own take is that they're fidgety and their opinions are overwrought.

A bit of meta takes: Kaz is not the most orderly player. I've played about 2-3 games with them now and I never find much method to why they do things. Kaz's own response to this is that people think they're 'evil' early, but like. Nothing they've done I think is necessarily evil? I don't know why they chose that description because I would describe them as 'aloof' personally. Typically what people look for in townies are those who are willing to be unguarded and give out their opinions. They've doubled down on themselves and made a minor case on Pooky and called them an SK. I think this is all ridiculous, especially so because it came back-to-back-to-back. Kaz gave themselves no set period of time where they just let their opinions lie, and instead just kept moving along. I am not a fan of this because readlists to me are done because you want people to take them in and see how people react to them. If the readlist they gave was of import, why does it seem like it is not really determining anything at this rate. It came so early and without warning and now it seems like Kaz doesn't even care and is just on to the next thing.

[unwnd]

There's a big stupid paragraph underneath that begs your attention!

[unwnd]

I did choose to be provocative. what of it?
how do you think it relates to my tm2020 play and why is that an alignment factor?

just re-stating interest in this. I'd also like to know why it's the only part of my post you didn't address, please.

I took back a thought after I typed it. I looked at your posts and in my mind went 'this is different from (TM 2020) example' but my keystrokes were already done. That's why I mentioned about how people sometimes play differently on mood. I am literally the exact same. Sometimes I just wanna do some different shit for the fuck of it and other times I'm back on my normal grind which is word salad and making allusion in text. It didn't feel right to judge you for the same thing, but here we are.

[unwnd]

is there a particular reason you found this switch ridiculous? not a leading question, it reads a certain way to me and I'm interested to see why you think it's scum motivated.

I thought I alluded to it enough? It just came out of nowhere. There's a bit of inbetween now that I've pressed the ISO button on their name, but every post leading up to that is a lot of takes that don't even follow their readlist made on (heh) post 69. Pooky was sitting at null and their reason for it is that Me and Pooky always joke with another or something. That's fine, but why is Pooky's motivation suddenly skewed based on how they were..buddying house? Like, I understand at a basic level what Kaz was saying. They think Pooky is batting their eyelashes too much and not just with me, but to tack on that they're SK is just absurd. Do you think a thought like that just isn't something that comes from scum? I think it's just messy in general and I wasn't a fan of how when I called them out on having a readlist on page 2 they were like 'oh I do whatever I want' then proceeded to be nonsensical. Yes, I do think Kaz is not very orderly, but not frantic and this messy to such a degree.

That's definitely a factor if you're doing a readlist to garner reactions. It's not a factor if you're doing a readlist because you want to present your current reads. Is it scum motivated to drop a post and then not really care how people react to it? Is it scum motivated to continue on to new things that people are doing which change your reads on them?

These are leading questions but I'm still genuinely interested in your answers.

I think it depends on the context. I just personally don't see readlists happening that early and it concerned me. Nothing more I can say that I haven't already.

[unwnd]

Alright. Can you capture that spark in your mind which originally made you consider my TM2020 example? Even if it's blatantly incorrect, or abstract.

Ehh, there's no point. I'll give you a minor piece of it and say that I felt you were more about sleuthing before having opinions about things. Your !!! entrance startled me. Regardless, you're free to do your own thing and I don't want to be affixed to meta so much

[unwnd]

Just for clarification--

I don't dislike Kaz because their meta seems off, I think their frantic behavior as described would be giving me hives if it came from anyone. It just so happens that Kaz is the one doing it.

[unwnd]

@unwnd, read and understood. is there a reason you're holding your vote?

I think scum necessarily tp hunting has two facets:
1) as a wikitell (which only really help by advancing game state) on people who have the audacity to explicitly suggest they read someone as third party.
2) as a mindset tell (they're genuinely just tp hunting at the expense of scumhunting / they appear to view the tp as a higher priority issue than groupscum).

I feel like you're fairly focused on the former, and I'm not satisfied that you've made an effort to discern their alignment moreso than you've made an effort to discern whether their posts look towny at a surface level.

No particular reason other than I've already stated that 'yeah jeez Kaz looks bad' and Dann never responded to me. That's about it.

I think they're trying to be townie by nature but the intent behind them is missing. That could explain what you yourself are seeing with my own judgment of them.

[unwnd]

My own take is that they're fidgety and their opinions are overwrought.

this does not a scum player make

i often am fidgety with over-written opinions as town, I think this is more emblematic of the type of person Kazyan is

But your vote is on Kaz, sir

[unwnd]

I'll give you that your vote on Kaz was more early, so I assume the way I described why I don't like Kaz is why you uh, do?

[unwnd]

398 is kinda exactly what I thought about unwnd's initial "ew early reads lists" reaction

like yes, of course, reads lists on page 5 or whatever aren't necessarily the most useful. But people will make them anyway, probably regardless of alignment. They help show how people are thinking and propel the game forward

I don't fully understand why a player like unwnd has stopped at "these reads lists feel bad" instead of plumbing into what exactly about them feels bad or if any of their specifics reveal anything. I am trying to give you some benefit of the doubt because you came into this game saying you're exhausted but... it feels like very level 0 thinking. I am SURE there is more going on in your head if you are town but in that case it doesn't seem you are electing to share it

You'd be right but I tried to give at least

something

to tide everybody over

[unwnd]

Spoiler: super secret, town only

honestly I'm not even sure I've totally convinced myself Kazyapple is town exactly?? I just trust the pressure on them less than I trust their posting and I'm kinda worried there's no cw and they're getting pressure from unwnd who isn't voting them

Spoiler: Even more secret, for unwnd only

Dwlee is exhibiting close to the same behavior Kaz is, albeit with a different goal in mind

[unwnd]

Just realize Dann flattered me by going ' a player like unwnd'

Golly gee have I hit the big leagues? The upper pantheon?

[unwnd]

It's that I feel like Kazyan is town, and I have felt like the wagon on him was also mostly town. So then we should be looking at who is on the sidelines (like kidamn who still has done nothing).

I also think regardless of Kazyan's alignment that scum are inactive right now.

I just want to understand that whole dance you were doing with worst. What was the big payoff?

[unwnd]

infamy is also a thing. S:

I hope it's that one, I'm b-b-b-b-bad to the bone

[unwnd]

Yet you fumbled what you were trying to do so how can you be confident he's town?

[unwnd]

No pooky

[unwnd]

Yet you fumbled what you were trying to do so how can you be confident he's town?

What did I fumble? The worst (heh) thing to me about those interactions was the passive aggressive thing (which I'm choosing to ignore as NAI). That I didn't feel like I got a clear answer on the question about how I was trying to look makes me feel better on them

I probably agree, with the caveat that threatening scum are present but not active in advancing the game. Dannflor is also the deepwolf but that's not super relevant right now.

I'm not sure what you mean by present but not active. Who is that?

From my point of view, worst shrugged off your tactics entirely. He didn't seem fazed by any of it nor deterred by his own read on you.

[unwnd]

I think it's null.

I'm hoping this pow-wow will get people to come out of their homes and start making more deliberate takes that I can put a lot more mental into.

[unwnd]

What's the reason for your bottom reads Kaz?

[unwnd]

I need dann to be come a bit more alive otherwise I'll be forced to PoE him

[unwnd]

Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

[unwnd]

609 is very strange

Why? Because you're apart of it?

I don't see where KidAmn is disreputable other than not being here. Mega's ISO seemed like total fluff, Kid's only problem is that he's afk.

[unwnd]

No it doesn't lol

That's just a PoE of who I'd vote in today

[unwnd]

The only people I townread right now with blind confidence is Navi/Gork

Rest of you are vying for my affection. I think Kaz is definitely out there and markedly defensive yet also defeatist. Kaz, if the scum is piling against you at every turn, who has it out for you the most? I know you dislike Pooky but your thought is separate from you being an easy target. And then I guess house? Dann? I just don't know why you're sweating bullets so easily.

P-edit: Dunno, last time I played a game with MURDERCAT he was pretty meh but then did some self-resolving things. I'm willing to be more patient

[unwnd]

Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

those are just lurkers/active ppl with low presence.. i'd be fairly surprised if this was even 2/3

Yes I agree, my PoE is wishful thinking though I'm tired of Dwlee trying to dice words about how I want to use the term PoE

[unwnd]

Rude of you to put me so low

[unwnd]

Didn't you defend kaz and now they're at the bottom?

[unwnd]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

I'm aware this is a low-impact slot but I stand by the disparity between Mega's ISO and KidAmn who just..wasn't here

[unwnd]

My only true reads are Navi/Gork being town

Unfortunately that's not enough but some of you have weird intentions I haven't been able to pick up yet

[unwnd]

unwnd why are you hesitant to go after any bigger targets

I don't understand the criticism you have with me, scum is scum?

[unwnd]

I assume by bigger targets you mean [Dann, Myself, Pooky, Worst, Gork, MURDERCAT] right?

I think that list (outside of myself) is pretty uncharted to me. I have my townread on Gork because I think his insight is focused and not determined by having potential teammates to look out for. The Kaz angle is something I agree with too; the way people ineract with his content seems rather independent as well. I'm just not really voting there because I'm selfish.

Regardless, If the big players had a net value of say..2 or more I think they'd be more excited? When I have a lot of blanks to fill in I start to try and make sense of things from my own personal experience. That includes what I'd do if I were scum. If my teammates aren't just a bunch of slankers I have way more energy. I'd have partners to work off of and sow the seeds of doubt much deeper. I'm not really seeing any of you there listed as more than 2 unless you're nervous yourself and to that I'd wonder what for. You have so many angles to work with because output for the most part is scattered and everyone is probably a degree of limmable. That's why I only personally have 2 townreads and I'd like to get more but there's no forward movement. Gork's thoughts on Kaz is probably the most important subject to come out today and maybe my back and forth with worst.

[unwnd]

On the topic of my back and forth with worst, what is your read on him? If Worst were a hypothetical big shot scum, don't you think his big splash into the game would provoke more reads on him? Yet they don't. This isn't saying 'worst should be town' for that reason, rather I think worst is a decent to above scum and if he fit the mold of big shot on the red team, I'd want to float him. I'd want to give him a favorable position, but instead he's kinda just eating off scraps like the rest of us. I guess that's where my own theory of gamestate comes in, where it doesn't seem anyone has a plan. That's both good/bad because it's much harder to track people when they're spontaneous.

[unwnd]

I just realized I never directly answered 'why wouldn't I vote you today' and it's that I'm not willing to gamble. You'd have to do something incredulous but right now you're either playing safe or you're at the same place I'm at where things are weird and slightly unsure but you've got leanings in ten different directions but nowhere to go.

[unwnd]

gamma and navi are scum together calling it now

I wish I could peer into your mind more Dann lol

[unwnd]

I think Gamma's catchup bodes well for him being town. My gamma read is pretty good most of the time

Just all the more reason the people voting him are stinkers

[unwnd]

Gork/Gamma/Navi

I don't like that Navi dropped off but whatever.

Cmon people, be more townie for me!

[unwnd]

I'm not making your tr Gamma lol

[unwnd]

Didn't you scumread me in NQN for a good while pooky then we eliminated the whole team by like D4 or something?

[unwnd]

I mean you gotta if you want me to move my vote.

Or make me sr someone else.

Why not convince me that Gamma is the right vote instead? Was KidAmn's inactivity really that telling to you?

[unwnd]

VOTE: House

How about this? House has 96 posts and counting. Do you remember any one of them? I don't.

[unwnd]

VOTE: House

How about this? House has 96 posts and counting. Do you remember any one of them? I don't.

Your shit memory isn't my fault.

I would remember your posts if they were advertised as such

[unwnd]

The first 20 pages in the House ISO legitimately have no reads, or even a provoking gamestate thought. There's also a few excuses for the lack of aggression(?) somewhere in there. How he is being townread is beyond me.

[unwnd]

20 posts, not pages.

[unwnd]

Spoiler:

VoteCount 1.8
Kazyan (they) [ 5 ] gorkington, dannflor, house, megazumarill, pookythemagicalbear
House (he) [ 1 ] the worst
Dwlee99 (they) [ 1 ] murdercat
KidAmn (he) [ 1 ] dwlee99
Pookythemagicalbear (he) [ 1 ] kazyan

Not Voting [ 4 ]
kidAmn, Navi, Unwnd, loftwing

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

this was the height of the kazyan wagon

if kazyan is town I would not be surprised to see every scum off wagon here

I don't agree at all and it's annoying me. Not at you, rather how we have such different perspectives this game.

[unwnd]

Do you believe he can't just learn the art of saying nothing while maintaining volume? Not a very difficult thing to do

[unwnd]

20 posts, not pages.

So since I didn't have reads 97 posts into the game, I'm scum?

Shit push, tbh.

Do better.

The game started on Saturday and it's about to be Thursday in about 3 hours. That's 4+ Days and I can't remember a single read you've had

[unwnd]

The first 20 pages in the House ISO legitimately have no reads, or even a provoking gamestate thought. There's also a few excuses for the lack of aggression(?) somewhere in there. How he is being townread is beyond me.

unwnd that means he's not scum trying to look town

I mean I'm absolutely certain you would not make such a baffling take as a potential partner at least.

[unwnd]

Meh, I don't feel like fighting this. If you trust the activity tell then whatever. I'm wary about such tells but I may be bringing some other environment factors back into MS.

[unwnd]

VOTE: Navi

I'm not married to my townread.

I don't really feel like the list of people I put up is my definitive 'must be scum', rather I'm just wondering what's going on. If Navi's only thing she has going for her is being quirky, then it's probably not a decent read after all. It's been quite some time since I made that assumption anyways.

[unwnd]

Meh, I don't feel like fighting this. If you trust the activity tell then whatever. I'm wary about such tells but I may be bringing some other environment factors back into MS.

I think its not because of a towncase, but because your scumcase is a pile of trash.

This aggression from you is very misplaced?

[unwnd]

I'm much more of a passive player in general.

Proceeds to say my case(?) is trash.

[unwnd]

You also have no read on House from your ISO.

Yes I am absolutely valuing people who are more willing to give out their thoughts. Reads to look back on. That's the way I will deal with this game and my PoE lists a lot of people who I don't remember taking many stances in general. I'm on edge about losing a game (see: prideful) where my town stopped keeping track of what people were saying. It all became too in-the-moment and scum got away with just saying things at the right time.

[unwnd]

Meh, I don't feel like fighting this. If you trust the activity tell then whatever. I'm wary about such tells but I may be bringing some other environment factors back into MS.

I think its not because of a towncase, but because your scumcase is a pile of trash.

This aggression from you is very misplaced?

No aggression intended, just feel this reason for a push doesn't really hold up logically

Your reason was very aggressive. It's berating which is typically never nice.

[unwnd]

I actually like Megazu for town too but I'll revisit this when I'm not riding the high of people joining my pet wagon

I DISAGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH THIS GAME AND IT'S FRUSTRATING ME

HOW IS SOMEONE NOT HAVING READS NEARING 1000 POSTS TOWNIE???

HELLO???? I CAN'T REMEMBER A SINGLE THOUGHT AZU MADE

[unwnd]

I refuse to townread someone for just lolvibes when that notion isn't even present. You were afk for some time and your biggest take so far is defending House when you had no reason to.

[unwnd]

I can give a wall about my contentious disagreements or I can shut up and be a good unassuming boy

[unwnd]

Fine with MCat/Navi being competing wagons

[unwnd]

House's pettiness can be town

[unwnd]

VOTE: Murdercat

This one

[unwnd]

I get how you feel ostracized Mcat but I don't think it'd distract you from busting heads

[unwnd]

I'll drink your 'worst is bad' tea if MCat doesn't flip Red. I don't think worst's vote is a 'meh my partner is going under' vanity vote

[unwnd]

VOTE: the worst

I relegated to quiet sheeper because nobody seemed to like when I loud and boistrous

[unwnd]

Not true, I loved your caremad energy towards Kaz and felt for you when the whole game glossed over it or say 'meh well they're still town.' People have to be more willing to entertain other players' thoughts even if they don't necessarily agree with them

[unwnd]

If I'm peeking my head out I was legitimately discouraged by my own affairs and why I've chosen this route instead

It's not a very fun one, personally

[unwnd]

Dann my initial problem with you is that I was wondering what invoked your spirit. Earlier this game I was waiting for that moment where you'd integrate yourself into the thread instead of popping up once in a while to say something. You're still doing that, but I feel your stances more clearer. I'm not going to pretend I have the cheat sheet to your scum meta but I do feel your towngame is way more pronounced, but maybe the climate of the game itself or your own internals is making you less representative?

[unwnd]

My read on Isis wavers. I liked her gimmick. I was able to see her eventually in dungeon RPG because she's very personable and I like that about her. I'm not sure what annoyed her enough to be like 'ok fuck it I'm Isis' but I'd love to hear more about it if willing.

FTR, I'm not mediating the conversation between you two rather I have to sort both of your slots independently.

[unwnd]

In a perfect world everyone voting worst is town. Your own vote on this wagon Navi lacks proper enthusiasm even for credit

I'm fine with your response Dann

[unwnd]

Enthusiasm in terms of tone*

I think you're giving a decent reason why you think it's worst, not to discredit

[unwnd]

VOTE: LLD
I'll consolidate when I have to but I want bragging rights of having my vote on scum D1

?????

[unwnd]

Because you're misrepping what happened by framing it as just giving 0 names with 0 reasoning. This is the exact thing I'd expect you to do as scum if one of your buddies was close to elimination. You also act unaware that your tone here is condescending af and that I should be completely chill with how you're talking to me

Which of her buddies is close to elim? You said Gamma/House are your elim choices but neither of those are in contention. Which of Worst/Navi/MCat is her hypothetical buddies?

[unwnd]

This is the same exact shit scum have done to me multiple times late day one with their buddy being wagoned. The entire time and everything is a scum push

Pedit: probably duck?

Just duck? How is this relative to your other reads lol

[unwnd]

This is the same exact shit scum have done to me multiple times late day one with their buddy being wagoned. The entire time and everything is a scum push

Pedit: probably duck?

Just duck? How is this relative to your other reads lol

Also hey, how are you, didn't realize you were in this game. Is this okay?

Yes, as long as it's okay with you.

[unwnd]

This is the same exact shit scum have done to me multiple times late day one with their buddy being wagoned. The entire time and everything is a scum push

Pedit: probably duck?

Just duck? How is this relative to your other reads lol

Also hey, how are you, didn't realize you were in this game. Is this okay?

Yes, as long as it's okay with you.

I've got no problem at all. I've mostly been giving you space as opposed to needing it myself? Well, maybe at first we did.

It's complicated, but no, we like you and are happy to play with you. We just wanted to check it was okay with you.

Water under the bridge, friends

[unwnd]

I think you should compile your evidence instead of tacking it on through practice

If your conviction is strong enough on LLD, I'm willing to listen. I just don't know if I believe it given how circumstantial it is?

[unwnd]

I think you should compile your evidence instead of tacking it on through practice

If your conviction is strong enough on LLD, I'm willing to listen. I just don't know if I believe it given how circumstantial it is?

My evidence is that every single time someone pushes me in this way they've been scum. Pooky in Dogs v Cats, Menalque in Dead Silence, Guillotina in MT 2225, goats in white flag, probably others I'm forgetting.

Well for Dogs v Cats, you were scum too

Wasn't your read before LLD though?

[unwnd]

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

[unwnd]

I don't disagree with LLD's take, this game has been teetering for some time.

I don't think Dwlee's responses are great? I don't know if I'm entirely sold on it being scum though. I feel like I would just vote mcat here because his own defense is markedly explaining things that should've came before. Meaning, I feel the equivalent of an eye roll from his recent posts.

[unwnd]

Be the change in the world you want to see or something like thaaaat, let's killlll the murderrrcattt ♪

VOTE: MURDERCAT

[unwnd]

Worst bus ur partner

(This is a half-serious read)

[unwnd]

I'm so rent free in your head that you might need to make up a new colony just for me, Pooky

[unwnd]

And I killed you for it

You just happened to be beloved princess

[unwnd]

The only high ground you ever had was the fucking blunts you're smoking right now

[unwnd]

The only high ground you ever had was the fucking blunts you're smoking right now

p sure Darth Vader chopped down Obi-wan on even ground bro

which movie did you watch

Revenge of the sith

[unwnd]

Revenge of the sith

Anakin wasn't even Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith.

and I'm clearly referring to when Obi-Wan let Vader "win" in A New Hope in order to set up the Ultimate Victory.

You are jar jar binks

[unwnd]

Nth stroll

[unwnd]

@Mod

I am voting MURDERCAT

[unwnd]

I'll drink your 'worst is bad' tea if MCat doesn't flip Red. I don't think worst's vote is a 'meh my partner is going under' vanity vote

Worst bus ur partner

(This is a half-serious read)

what happened between here and here?

Might be reading too hard into how he put MCat on his readlist but that's what made it half-serious

[unwnd]

{Gork, House}
{Dann, Pooky, Navi}
{Kaz, LLD, Dwlee, Mega, Gamma}
{Worst, MCat}

Upper half my ego says I'm wrong on one, possibly

[unwnd]

I just don't know if I see her trajectory the same as Dogs v Cats where she was scum. It's a flimsy meta read and I have gripes with her deflated attitude but

Does that really come from scum? Dunno.

[unwnd]

I think if you wagoned Navi I would shrug my shoulders. She's higher up due to tonal inferences and nothing more.

[unwnd]

Every time you call me scum Pooky I am literally never scum

I think Fortress warped your brain or something

[unwnd]

unwnd is there a reason youre preferring murdercat vote over the worst vote right now
theres functionally no momentum there right now.

Personal selfish reasons, highlighted in my last post about MCat

I do believe it was that egregious to vote off

[unwnd]

Every time you call me scum Pooky I am literally never scum

I think Fortress warped your brain or something

This still applies Pooky

[unwnd]

I just vote for what I believe in

The wagons that are tied right now Worst/LLD/Dwlee are odd for me. In terms of makeup (as in, the people voting) each of them I'd rank it like this

Towniest makeup

The Worst (he) [ 3 ] pookythemagicalbear, gorkington, dannflor

Pooky is off in his own world. I think that blissful ignorance is more townie than anything for D1. I could be wrong because I don't want to underestimate Pooky and his whole 'hee hee I'm not trying' schtick is what made me give him a tr in Dogs v Cats for bad reasons. He's not an easy read and you more have to read him based on what's he's pushing. Right now we at least agree on TW but he thinks I'm his partner for some insane reason. You've been townie as hell Gork don't need to explain that harder. Dann's response to me when I gave my two cents on his behavior sat right with me. There has been some instances where I feel like Dann is really reaching into the proverbial 'how did he know' category where he'll make comments like 'idk I think this x and y player are town' and it's like..I don't get the confidence. I think people are more nuanced and I'm not willing to make an ass out of myself and assume. It's a small gripe and nothing I'd tinfoil though this early.

??? makeup

Dwlee99 (they) [ 3 ] Lady Lambdadelta, navi, gamma emerald

LLD I don't have a comment on. Navi I have gut tonal reasons. Gamma my read is not very fleshed out and I don't trust it. Again, a very ??? wagon where besides Navi who has a lean I have no further comments to make about them.

Scummiest makeup

Lady Lambdadelta (she) [ 3 ] dwlee99, the worst, megazumarill

Which is odd given how you look at it. Dwlee and LLD are OMGUSing. Probably not a partner instance as far as I can see? Dwlee looked legitimately agitated by LLD and it was not coordinated. Beyond this point is biting criticism so don't say I didn't warn you. I think Dwlee is unimpressive and the way they tote their read on LLD seems frustrated for the wrong reasons. Not necessarily caught, but more like their reasoning is 'everyone who pushes me this way has to be scum' which is such a profound angle to take and then they tried to say Loftwing was suspected before and like. I checked. No mentions of Loftwing in their ISO and it's all just predicament. Townies can get annoyed and tunneled though and I've seen some people think Dwlee is townie because grrr but please advise. TW has been hitting multiple angles but can't straighten his shot enough to decide who his prime target is. I think it's less about being accurate and more biding his time. I get people he's accused (LLD, recently) but yet he still hesitates. I was annoyed about Dann saying Meg seemed townie because I think Meg's ISO sucks and their jump-ins are also not great. Just fanning the flames. They did it with me and they did it with LLD. How is that townie?

[unwnd]

I think it very unlikely that a team of TW/Mega/Dwlee all say in PT chat 'let's try to kill LLD as a vanity attempt. Like, check the leading wagons. it's Dwlee/TW and I'm pretty sure it looks awful if one of them flips red. And landing on LLD of all people? This isn't a disrespect comment it's more like LLD plays hardball and if you're not ready for it then good luck to you. Just not a calculated scum team move.

[unwnd]

Then scum is just letting you die honestly. I really don't think your wagon if you're town is made up of opportunistic scum.

[unwnd]

Do you think MURDERCAT is scum? I don't remember your stances.

[unwnd]

kinda. he's not really doing much but his posting is scummy and kinda feels survival motivated.

Talk like your life depends on it. It kinda is looking like you're the elimination here.

[unwnd]

honestly i don't think the lim is likely to go through without a claim and without a competing wagon rn. i've been talking the entire time - i'm free for a bit now, then kinda busy for the next few days. if you want something, i'd suggest

scrolling thru or ctrl+fing my iso

asking me now.

Honestly can't think of anything, just thought you'd jump at the opportunity of 'my wagon is wrong and I am a townie about to be sunk'

[unwnd]

This is a selfish request but sometimes I think I have a better impression of slots if they gauge their read on me.

I'd like to know more (Worst/LLD) why you feel the way about my slot you do.

[unwnd]

Vla tomorrow. Actually today.

Am not caught up.

Unwnd I scumlean you but don't want to lim you early based on what I recall from my rpg progression. I think. You flipped town right

We never eliminated me and instead I got everyone to be convinced of Dunnstral. Something something pocketed by Ydra details hazy

[unwnd]

i kind of tried to explain it to you pretty early on. i don't have a strong idea of your scumgame necessarily, but i have an idea of what i expect from scum!unwnd, and i don't feel like you're tapping into your manipulative toolset here. you're kind of taking your time and slowly inhaling information, digesting it, and just leaving behind thoughts as you go and it feels quite natural. i know you're fairly capable of forcing logical reads when required, but you don't really feel forced at all? you're kinda just around the place, bouncing stuff off people, forming reads at your own pace - you've felt natural. it also feels like you're just actually interested in talking to people in the list, not trying to pocket or work an angle. i wouldn't say you're someone who's gotten by without pressure - without MUCH pressure, sure, but you've had your fair share of attention and a little bit of the spotlight and i don't feel like it's fatigued you really. it's fatiguing being ever-present as scum. you just feel more unwnd than you usually do here and intuition tells me that's a towntell.

or like, you're scum who's going all out on imitating some kind of smooth-but-not-real-super-towny version of what people might expect your towngame to be on day one of a 13p game. which is like, fine it can be done but it doesn't feel like there's much point to it. like if you are scum you're putting a bunch of effort into just.. vibing. i don't really think that's something i associate with your scumgame all that much.

Appreciate the thoroughness but the only interjection I have is

You voted Pooky or at least hinted towards it once. Pooky is one of my main aggregators here. I don't really treat myself as an elimination option because I typically have good D1s as both alignments. Do you think Pooky is just falsifying his stance on me to seem townier? I think he's capable of working that angle, but like. If I am in your position and I had deep devoted thoughts towards someone who I'm pretty sure is town, I'd either be held aghast by people not seeing what I do or suspect opportunistic scum. I don't feel your criticisms of pooky align with either.

Pedit - Gamma that's not even remotely true. I'm a sweaty slimy scumlord.

[unwnd]

@Worst

Nothing. I just wanted to see if you operate the same way I do. If someone in this game went after Gork I'd probably suspect them or think they're delusional.

Nobody suspects Gork. Probably just a townie who scum don't know what to do with. I think what's funny is that Gork isn't really talked about either and that isn't to imply his content is worthwhile. His position was earned just by thread events and it became consensus. I sometimes feel like when I'm town consensus reaches me and then I'm stuck in this state where Gork is. Nobody is checking Gork's content or the validity of it because he's probably town. Yet he's also not leading so they're getting buried regardless.

I don't want the same to happen to me. That makes the game less interesting and while I think Pooks is delusional in his own read of me, at least I have something to fight against. I think most townies wanna prove they're town in some way and with you pretty much in the spotlight I'm just engaging you to see what comes of it.

Pifimdm is my receipt proving so.

I won that game. I also adjust my scumgame based on feedback and results. You underestimate how much I enjoy playing scum.

[unwnd]

I think what's funny is that Gork isn't really talked about either and that isn't to imply his content

isn't

worthwhile.

Is what this sentence should say. Gork I love your content in this game.

[unwnd]

I think if you flip red you're giving a stink eye to Gamma as a partner or if you're town Gamma looks terrible on your wagon.

So either way your last wishes will be heard.

[unwnd]

Right now I'm starting to think you're not scum, just because I think the things you're saying make sense. If this is your own scumplay diverting me then we can end up 50/50. Why do you get into a shitpit with LLD who is able to amass a large crowd and very often get what she wants. You're brave but not stupid.

How hot and bothered do you get as scum? How personal is this affront I mentioned?

[unwnd]

Man you don't roll scum very often worst. I'd still like a reference point if you have it.

[unwnd]

Just as a wrap up

Your elim goes through and you wanna Gamma precision nuked at earliest convenience, yes?

[unwnd]

We're all entitled to our opinions on this glorious day

I think worst might actually be town, or he's shockingly way more comfortable than any other scumgame I saw in that deepdive

[unwnd]

Duckie can drop a big fat goose egg on my face if I'm wrong

Does anyone wanna try lil ol' unwnd on MCat?

[unwnd]

IF I AM WRONG HERE THEN WP

Gorkington

HAVE PASSED THE D1 INSPECTION

Dannflor

Worst

Pooky

Kaz

SORTING PILE, FRIEND OR FOE?

Navi

House

LLD

Dwlee

Mega

I WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE THESE PEOPLE

MCat

Gamma

[unwnd]

Who is bussing worst

He's prime towncred right now even if red

I fail to see partners acting around him?

[unwnd]

That's one person when the team should be decidedly 3. I'm not a miracle worker and I can be wrong, so if you think my own thoughts about worst are not strong enough to save him then by all means do it. I'm going to run through my thoughts in a rambly order. I wont dread taking hard stances like this because I'm very confident in my ability to townread people D1. If Worst breaks that streak then he's one that happened to slip into my upper bracket and I accept that.

1) Deepdive shows Worst as scum is more hedgy around his stances. While not completely unwilling to give reads, the behavior I saw the most in his scumgame would be trying to socially adapt. I think Worst here has been rude, hurried, and maybe even a bit brash. His reads come sporadically and he breaks a sweat typically making them. I scumread the notion prior because I thought he lacked direction, but damn. I think worst just has a lot on his mind and doesn't know what to do with himself. So much that he endangers himself. That fight with LLD in particular stuck out to me and made me reconsider. Worst even made a point to say 'heh no you shouldn't townread me for this because I DO have enough ego to get into it' which if I'm scum backed into a corner (see: Worst is very likely the elimination here) and a decently prominent town player gives me a pass I'm just gonna say 'YES YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT ME!' but instead Worst cared more about his own scum ego. This is a very small point just tacked on.

2) I stand by what I said. Who's bussing worst? You threw it back to me that the answer should be Gamma. OK. That still applies if I'm misreading the situation. It applies because that was the only person on his wagon that I felt had scum equity. There's a reason I analyzed the wagons for you because vote placement is a deciding factor in how I read people. Who's on worst's wagon right now. Pooky, You, Dann, House and Gamma. It can't be you (Gork) cause that's a double hit to my own ego and also you'd be somehow chainsawing your own partner in this crazy hypothetical. It's probably not dann? It could be House? Nobody is talking about that and he's not playing at a bussing situation. His vote is all reluctant. Gamma is the only person who sticks out to me and I've moved him extremely down due to behavioral purposes. I haven't fleshed out MCat/Gamma they just happened to tank due to gut feelings which is how I lead with my scumreads on D1. I want you to look at this wagon and what I'm saying and consider my perspective for a second.

3) It turns out I don't have a point 3.

[unwnd]

Who's bussing worst is just a question used for effect Gork.

Don't you think if Worst is scum then his partners would respond to the situation? This is juicy towncred so either worst's partners are willfully ignorant or they're silently approving because their own status is not worth risking trying to save him.

[unwnd]

..I can't fucking believe you think that I would willingly try to save worst on D1 as a partner.

D1, gork. You could maybe have this thought if it's D4 and we just needed a few more mislims to win. I'm absolutely bussing Worst in this hypothetical and you can go check my scumgames. I'm very unwilling to give quarter to my mates if they're playing like shit. And to me? If you're a prime wagon suspected by more than half of the game as my partner then nuts to you.

[unwnd]

I don't want the same to happen to me. That makes the game less interesting and while I think Pooks is delusional in his own read of me, at least I have something to fight against. I think most townies wanna prove they're town in some way and with you pretty much in the spotlight I'm just engaging you to see what comes of it.

im not crazy bear yelling at clouds


you r scum cuz you've managed to write war and peace but have 0 villains in it and i think its a load of crap.

Will you please stop fucking tunnelilng me if you go through with this? Can I please get a promise. I don't care about being the martyr and maybe if I'm wrong on Worst it's better off you get your wish.

[unwnd]

It was intended effect. It was to get you thinking.

[unwnd]

This whole debauchery makes me feel very stupid from people who are claiming that I'm very smart.

[unwnd]

Will you please stop fucking tunnelilng me if you go through with this? Can I please get a promise. I don't care about being the martyr and maybe if I'm wrong on Worst it's better off you get your wish.

i only tunnel you when you're not being townie

NQN
Dungeon RPG

[unwnd]

because from unwnd's POV hes literally already said that gamma would be a probable partner that we would look at if the worst flips red
so why would he now be like "guh idk who could it be who is bussing the worst i just cant figure it out" that logic is completely broken

Yea I read this. I don't buy it. Like okay sure or it could be a question for the class to answer

Why are you the only one defending me.

That feels fucking weird. I have you in my lower brackets. You don't care?

[unwnd]

because from unwnd's POV hes literally already said that gamma would be a probable partner that we would look at if the worst flips red
so why would he now be like "guh idk who could it be who is bussing the worst i just cant figure it out" that logic is completely broken

Yea I read this. I don't buy it. Like okay sure or it could be a question for the class to answer

I fail to see partners acting around him?

this is the part.
ignore the part about the question to the class.
THIS PART makes no fucking sense from someone who has just said gamma was a good candidate for scum with the worst and has gamma at the bottom of his reads.

I have my own thoughts but my word isn't gospel. I raised a hypothetical for

everyone else

. I don't know where people are leading with (besides Pooky) on who they would go after next. Who they're considering even right now as potential partners. I wanted to hear more about this and that's all it was. My thoughts are not signal beamed onto the thread and you must obey.

[unwnd]

I'm not dismissing you! The very much opposite.

Do you disagree with Gamma? Who do you think are viable partners (besides me) for Worst? Sigh.

[unwnd]

My interest in Ydra is more like a rubik's cube where I keep turning it and end up three steps back from the process of actually solving it (and her alignment)

[unwnd]

I think that's an extremely silly reason to think I'm scum. I can't rewrite what I said and I stand by it regardless.

Nothing really changes.

[unwnd]

How does that track when prior to that question I had already made my position known with a readlist. It wasn't some perspective slip.

Do you think I'm chopped liver? I have too much experience and too much pride (as scum) to be buried over stupid shit like that

[unwnd]

I gave you something to engage on my big semi-wall on why I don't think it's worst. I was hoping you'd respond to it?

[unwnd]

That's one person when the team should be decidedly 3. I'm not a miracle worker and I can be wrong, so if you think my own thoughts about worst are not strong enough to save him then by all means do it. I'm going to run through my thoughts in a rambly order. I wont dread taking hard stances like this because I'm very confident in my ability to townread people D1. If Worst breaks that streak then he's one that happened to slip into my upper bracket and I accept that.

1) Deepdive shows Worst as scum is more hedgy around his stances. While not completely unwilling to give reads, the behavior I saw the most in his scumgame would be trying to socially adapt. I think Worst here has been rude, hurried, and maybe even a bit brash. His reads come sporadically and he breaks a sweat typically making them. I scumread the notion prior because I thought he lacked direction, but damn. I think worst just has a lot on his mind and doesn't know what to do with himself. So much that he endangers himself. That fight with LLD in particular stuck out to me and made me reconsider. Worst even made a point to say 'heh no you shouldn't townread me for this because I DO have enough ego to get into it' which if I'm scum backed into a corner (see: Worst is very likely the elimination here) and a decently prominent town player gives me a pass I'm just gonna say 'YES YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT ME!' but instead Worst cared more about his own scum ego. This is a very small point just tacked on.

2) I stand by what I said. Who's bussing worst? You threw it back to me that the answer should be Gamma. OK. That still applies if I'm misreading the situation. It applies because that was the only person on his wagon that I felt had scum equity. There's a reason I analyzed the wagons for you because vote placement is a deciding factor in how I read people. Who's on worst's wagon right now. Pooky, You, Dann, House and Gamma. It can't be you (Gork) cause that's a double hit to my own ego and also you'd be somehow chainsawing your own partner in this crazy hypothetical. It's probably not dann? It could be House? Nobody is talking about that and he's not playing at a bussing situation. His vote is all reluctant. Gamma is the only person who sticks out to me and I've moved him extremely down due to behavioral purposes. I haven't fleshed out MCat/Gamma they just happened to tank due to gut feelings which is how I lead with my scumreads on D1. I want you to look at this wagon and what I'm saying and consider my perspective for a second.

3) It turns out I don't have a point 3.

[unwnd]

I can't count pagetops. Not a great pagetop but it'll do.

[unwnd]

do you really think im in the mindset to charitably engage your posts when im this convinced that youre mafia? lol
i think you should want me to come back down to a rational level before i even try.

Why not? You're getting spew out of me if I'm scum. I'm willingly giving you information to figure out my partners.

Or I'm just town and you've somehow tunneled yourself for no reason

[unwnd]

Nods sagely

[unwnd]

No I think it's just a common internet term that my brain picks out from memory to reference

[unwnd]

I want to kill Gamma or MCat

They're not amazing pelts but that's jus how I feel

[unwnd]

For D1

Don't think you're scum
Don't think Dannflor is scum
Don't think Gork is scum
Don't think Worst is scum (lol)

I am null on LLD

[unwnd]

My read on Navi isn't strong at all and I do think if it were anyone but Isis I'd think her ISO isn't great

VOTE: Navi

[unwnd]

Uhh was worst hammered?

[unwnd]

Wait no House unvoted. It probably is Navi elimination.

[unwnd]

Sorry Isis you're cool and like I sorta defended you! But if you're red then haha I'd never do that!! (I would)

[unwnd]

Why would you rage tilt

[unwnd]

I think a few people were claiming they wanted Navi though? That's where my vote ended up

Pedit - As it stands I lean no

[unwnd]

I definitely wasn't influenced of my walkback on Worst due to other varying factors and like if I get owned by overthinking D1 at least it's early so I can correct it

[unwnd]

Lack of kill annoys me

[unwnd]

No it annoys me because I like having a slot flip on a wagon (potentially) for VCA

[unwnd]

I'm not Kaz's #1 fan or anything but I don't think anyone deserves scrutiny for a D1 vanity wagon

Unless you specifically think Kaz is scum. I already know your piece with me and that's something you're going to have to realize yourself

[unwnd]

I'm not Kaz's #1 fan or anything but I don't think anyone deserves scrutiny for a D1 vanity wagon

Unless you specifically think Kaz is scum. I already know your piece with me and that's something you're going to have to realize yourself

I mean, Unwnd, you have zero problems with that Navi compromise wagon over the worst and then people coming in not recalibrating as a result?

Like, it's one thing to blame people for a misread, that happens, but once you're wrong you gotta come in and actively fucking recalibrate.

Like there were people on that wagon calling it bad and sounding like they knew/expected it to flip town despite being ON IT instead of voting the worst.

Without a flip I'm left without data to properly assess where change needs to be made. Or at least, it would be much more helpful.

My reads are in flux, but I think I would still probably kill MCat.

[unwnd]

I also don't believe I was wrong

My vote was vanity, and I even said I leaned no on Navi being scum EoD lol

It's not really anything I need to particuarily get credit for, but I know some of you are salivating about anything wrongdoing I could potentially make

[unwnd]

I also don't believe I was wrong

My vote was vanity, and I even said I leaned no on Navi being scum EoD lol

It's not really anything I need to particuarily get credit for, but I know some of you are salivating about anything wrongdoing I could potentially make

i kinda refuse to accept unwnd deciding to vanity vote someone they dont even think will flip scum

The only other feasible option was Worst who I had a change of heart on. Nobody wanted to join me on MCat so I just threw my hands up.

[unwnd]

I didn’t like it either but I also wasn’t having it shift into me which it seemed to be doing

bruh it was 7-5 Navi/TW were u even a contender

I saw a lot of people mentioning me as possible scum
Plus, out of tw and Navi it made more sense to give tw a night to prove himself

Don't you think TW is scum? Or at least he thinks you are

[unwnd]

Wait no House unvoted. It probably is Navi elimination.

I did a good.

If I'm not alive to tell you I appreciate it, etc.

The only thing I don't like about Worst after my own reconsideration is posts like these. This an ubiquitous tell or something I try to keep track of. I don't like when claimed PRs (especially early) think they're not going to live past the night. Just has a bit of shamefulness to it.

I think other than that I've been sitting at 'oh god, am I wrong' to 'No, I simply cannot be'. Which is why I was peeved about the lack of kill. I understand it's a net positive regardless given the context.

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@unwnd

, why does it feel like youre acting like a passive presence in this game
when my entire impression of your towngame is that youre uncompromising and aggressive

I want to kill Gamma or MCat

They're not amazing pelts but that's jus how I feel

why are you even acting confident about said read on murdercat now when you literally seem unimpressed with your own reads here going into n1
why murdercat over gamma now

Right now I'm starting to think you're not scum, just because I think the things you're saying make sense. If this is your own scumplay diverting me then we can end up 50/50. Why do you get into a shitpit with LLD who is able to amass a large crowd and very often get what she wants. You're brave but not stupid.

How hot and bothered do you get as scum? How personal is this affront I mentioned?

what was it from the batch of posts from the worst above this that made you think he was being genuine.
go into extreme detail.
make me believe that you believe what you believe.

I'm not any less of who I am, but the statements of passiveness and concern for my missing ferocity are strange.

Basically, I'm trying to keep myself grounded. Fire burning in me and displaying my passions doesn't need to become overwhelming. I believe in MCat/Gamma just as much as I would making 20-40 something extra posts to make my point; This pace is more much doable (for myself) without just trying to outlast scum. That's a strategy employed before with varying results. In NQN Me/Cabd/Pooky/Others all buried scum under pressure to keep up. In Bloodstained, I believe scum got away because they hid behind the lost morale of town but also the chaos it brung. Not to take away from their victory but I was mislimmed because people thought I was intentionally bringing this about.

In short, I'm a type of player who really thinks about outcomes of games and what I could've done better, win or lose. Then I adapt based on slight alterations.

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When it comes to my worst read, my thoughts were earlier with 1, 2, 3.txt I posted to you that you seemed to disagree on. I don't really feel like explaining it again so if you need me to reference this more intently I'll do so.

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My two scumreads being a lurker slot and Gamma who is pretty thorny doesn't inspire a lot of me. The whole 'that's jus how I feel' and 'not great pelts' is because I have an innate sensation that goes through my head where challenge = good. It's why I enjoy playing on the hardest difficulty in games and then suffering because of it. It's why I'll spend time doing something that's making me tilt but can't put it down. I get bored if something doesn't push me and it's the same with Mafia. Right now I think this game is still exciting to me because I have a lot of unknown and I've enjoyed tinkering silently on it.

Gamma/MCat don't have the content to dissect enough and they've been placed at the bottom based on the trajectory of the thread. MCat is here and not posting, his very last post was trying to clarify up his previous posts and explain them. I don't feel the gesture was necessary for one and it doesn't match his frustrated nature? The whole 'Gonna quit because I always get wagoned D1'. I just didn't buy it. I don't think MCat is a slouch even if I can't pin down what exactly drives him. My thought since then was that if MCat really wanted to prove his worth he would show it. Even Navi facing elimination left a few dying words. MCat continues to sink and I guess people are just alright with letting him. The guy won Paragon so clearly in his heart's heart there is something stirring in him even from the very little he saw. Instead of choosing to examine those points, he glossed it over and is now nowhere to be seen.

Force MCat to do something and see what comes of it. I don't think MCat has a pronounced scumgame either and is known for not having the the same passion. I think he leans more on social manipulation because it's probably really difficult to meet Paragon standards as scum logically but such is labels. This is why I don't think his complaints earlier make it any better because he should be aware of the expectations. If my read is presumptuous then given everything discussed I should be able to be easily looked like a fool for doing it. I've been waiting on that moment and it hasn't come, and I'll never resolve the gut feeling at this rate.

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Gamma I don't have as much to say about. Gamma is someone who I believe as town needs to get his say in. I've seen him try to replicate this as scum--but his timing is more off when he rolls red. He doesn't interject because it just absolutely holds him aghast that someone/something could happen and Gamma just

needs

to speak upon it, he does it for show. He also is more direct in how he displays that side. The whole 'fuck off' and other pointed accusations at people for misreading something didn't seem like a constructive Gamma who I believe (and he's free to tell me wrong) enjoys looking good as town. What I mean by this is that I feel Gamma is someone who inspires himself based on

1) How much people are reading his posts
2) How willing others are towards him

Having a moment like that once or twice is not definitively why my read had flipped, rather time has shown that I've seen a lot of posts from Gamma that could do without. Made not because he desires feedback from others but rather he is oddly restrictive. A town gamma maybe tells me to fuck off but also then uses that propulsion to do something with it. Gamma's been treating me like I exist but afraid to object, and I think that fear is something that is reminiscent to his scum behavior where he doesn't want to panic. Gamma is cautious, withdrawn, and surprisingly OK with a lot of things. If Gamma is trying to work on himself then I respect that notion, but this is a game and how I'm reading his behavioral patterns makes me believe he's scum.

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I don't like them but I'm not as familiar with them. While I said something to the effect of 'let's not gripe about the Navi elim' to you, I almost wanted to take it back because MCat/Gamma/Meg were all voting Navi and that's my bottom-half. I talked about Meg before where I think they're fanning the flames in a lot of conversation but muted everywhere else. My problem with this is that if you're going to act in a accusatory and direct way, it must show somewhere in your reads or what you want to see the thread develop into.

With meg, it really doesn't. So it just sounds like chatter with an edge to it. What good is that though?

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I think I would like to vote MCat the most due to my reasons and the whole make him do something.

I'm not trying to agitate him or make the experience unplayable, because I have a lot of faith he can prove me wrong. Until then I haven't been and I'm gonna follow my instinct.

VOTE: MURDERCAT

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It's a dangerous game when you write a lot and choose to be profound about players and slots. I think one time I wrote a huge wall on Anya and why I thought she was scum and it was like, completely wrong. I read into the situation and then this big mass of wrongthink was in my ISO and it embarassed me.

Whatever though. Be profound and maybe it will inspire others to do the same which I'd much rather play at that rate than just vibing and having sessions from time to time. These are all well in nature but are much easier for scum to fit into. Look active and play a decent part. I again lost a game recently where scum did exactly that and now I'm paying close way more attention to what people are saying and why.

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Feeling oddly accomplished with worst saying he saved me and refusing to vote him.

I somewhat have a bad read that Pooky wouldn't kill me because he'd rather fake tunnel me as scum and I was also townreading him. No reason to get rid of me.

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Going to a wedding this weekend, really don't have the time or the energy to fight the wagon. "He's scummy when he's here" and then you just quote my iso with no real reasoning and people hop on like always. Think I'm retired after this game, me getting run up D1 every game is not fun for anyone.

The worst is still town, house maybe scum if Navi town but the vote swap seemed too blatant. Meg most likely scum on my wagon. Gamma ??, Still don't believe that read on me is real

VOTE: Navi

@lld, this i think

Dude is a paragon, He thought Meg/Gamma were scum on his wagon and I can't see many paragons being so off-base that they go 0/3 even with little activity. It's not enitrely BoP though if you read my own thoughts.

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I think I would like to vote MCat the most due to my reasons and the whole make him do something.

I'm not trying to agitate him or make the experience unplayable, because I have a lot of faith he can prove me wrong. Until then I haven't been and I'm gonna follow my instinct.

VOTE: MURDERCAT

Having literally not seen MC since I replaced in, I'd also like to see what they do. Did something happen? You're talking like there's eggshells around this one or something?

Vote: Murdercat

I wrote a wall about him. I think it's the pagetop.

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Feeling oddly accomplished with worst saying he saved me and refusing to vote him.

I somewhat have a bad read that Pooky wouldn't kill me because he'd rather fake tunnel me as scum and I was also townreading him. No reason to get rid of me.

I can't believe anyone would kill you tbh lol

I don't either but it keeps happening, I died n1 in Dogs v Cats too lol

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Going to a wedding this weekend, really don't have the time or the energy to fight the wagon. "He's scummy when he's here" and then you just quote my iso with no real reasoning and people hop on like always. Think I'm retired after this game, me getting run up D1 every game is not fun for anyone.

The worst is still town, house maybe scum if Navi town but the vote swap seemed too blatant. Meg most likely scum on my wagon. Gamma ??, Still don't believe that read on me is real

VOTE: Navi

@lld, this i think

Dude is a paragon, He thought Meg/Gamma were scum on his wagon and I can't see many paragons being so off-base that they go 0/3 even with little activity. It's not enitrely BoP though if you read my own thoughts.

Wait, do you think MC names both his partners in the direct with this post? That seems questionable, don't you think?

I actually don't, which is why Meg/Gamma/MCat is probably not realistic. I just dislike Meg for unrelated reasons and not 'must be partnered' reasons. I'd say MCat/Gamma is not associative either.

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I want to take a stab at a read

See what happens, then go from there. That's how I play. I had no say on Navi's elimination. MCat/Gamma then sort out the dust afterwards.

I would like to hear if Worst still wants you (LLD) and how it ties with Gamma though because I don't remember.

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Dude is a paragon, He thought Meg/Gamma were scum on his wagon and I can't see many paragons being so off-base that they go 0/3 even with little activity. It's not enitrely BoP though if you read my own thoughts.

so the last game I shitpushed MC!town on d1 and yeeted him was White Flag:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go


and if you look,

his final readslist had 5 town in the bottom 5 slots all the way up to null (0/5)

so not really BoPing the dude when he barely has time or desire to play anymore

Can he just be scum though? Entertain my dumbshit thoughts I know you hate reading but do it

I think his activity is telling and his last posts were scummy, and don't think his self-imposed rq was enough for me

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God, Unwnd

Do you know my first gut scumread when I looked at the thread? It's not Dwlee.

Can you guess what it was? Cause if you can I think we should look there for a bit too.

Mine was House.

You?

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God, Unwnd

Do you know my first gut scumread when I looked at the thread? It's not Dwlee.

Can you guess what it was? Cause if you can I think we should look there for a bit too.

Mine was House.

You?

Pooky.

Maybe really early?

I had personal investment that made me write off those thoughts because Pooky more annoyed me with UNWND SCUM earlier and then I told myself 'ok he really believes this read' but maybe you think otherwise?

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I just don't want to unvote MCat but I want to at least see something.

He acknowledges a wagon and like, something happens? If I unvote or we let it fester I don't feel this is the game where MCat will come alive. I didn't deep dive white flag but MCat doesn't even have a readlist to be wrong on.

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yea he could just be scum but I dunno I feel like he wouldn't want his last game on the site to be some scum game where he AtEs his way out of an elimination by saying he's going to retire from mafia forever cuz he's tired of being run up.

just please be wary that he's not AtEing here. it's not a situation where he'll retire if he's run up again. it's a situation where he's burned out on mafia and retiring BECAUSE he's sick of it. it's not AtE, it's just personal talk/light OGI.

I mean it sounds ate because the feeling of "i dont want to play this shitty game anymore cuz i keep getting run up on d1" makes more sense from a town perspective than a scum perspective imo

It might be foolish of me to directly reference a different person but I've realized that real emotions can be factored in for both alignments. I've seen scum elsewhere be like 'idk, this place is giving me a headache and im like sorry and need to take a walk' and a townie got really pissed at it and said she was disgusting for saying that. But why not say it? I even give

myself

more room to be emotional because hey maybe someone will townread. This is how I won fortress Pooks

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Gork I gave you response earlier if you want to read that

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Grumbling about MCat situation but you can have your day Worst

VOTE: Gamma

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Gork I gave you response earlier if you want to read that

k.

p-edit: maybe im stupid. feel free to tell me so postgame.

I think you're smart and I enjoy you.

No kiss assery here friend.

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Emotions are a thing regardless of alignment and getting mad at people for having them is bad behavior imo
If murdercat really wants to give up on the game that’s valid and I’m not gonna try to change his mind, but it’s nothing to read into

..Who's mad?