Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[MegAzumarill]

Why are you like this pooky

[MegAzumarill]

Teeny tiny townping from Megazumarill btw

Thats dangerous

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: dwlee

[MegAzumarill]

Teeny tiny townping from Megazumarill btw

Why? I get the opposite vibe.

The question is pretty passive.

I'm much more of a passive player in general.
Not that I don't scumhunt but I don't like voicing my reads until I have some confidence in them.

Agree that it is weird to TR me from an offhanded statement on page 1.

[MegAzumarill]

Imagine having an alignment, gross.

[MegAzumarill]

Sometimes I feel like my existance is a slayers gambit

[MegAzumarill]

Sometimes I feel like my existance is a slayers gambit

I've heard that Jake The Wolfie is essentially Slayer's gambit declined, a common response to Slayer's Gambit, where you simply axicute the player attempting Slayer's Gambit.

I'd say I am more of an inverse slayer gambit, because I end up playing poorly and those pushing me are the town members actively reading/analysing the game.

Unintentional though

[MegAzumarill]

The ostrich could not afford to pay so instead he told a fable.
Post 173 is a source of peace. It is three right turns from evil but only two right turns from good.
I corrected your essay but now it is thirsty.
Gorkington is angry at Kazyan's abacus beads. I am not sure they deserve the anger but there is much heart.
Gorkington why did you forget your vote? Would you forget if you were evil?
A jacket with only three sleeves

What about I prefer left turns?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: kazyan

Was too lazy to count votes

[MegAzumarill]

Low on time today but dislike the dwlee wagon here.

VOTE: kidann

[MegAzumarill]

Why shift off the Kazyan wagon?

Never felt too strongly about it on the first place, does no good keeping it there while noone else is.

[MegAzumarill]

we need more votes to get dwlee to squirm

Ok but why?

[MegAzumarill]

cuz the game needs to go foward

This doesnt feel like forward progress

[MegAzumarill]

lmao I really thought you were scum, like deep in my bones

Thats usually how death tunnels work

[MegAzumarill]

I'm amazed that the more you think the more you think you are right

w i l d

It's called confbias.

- House

excellent diagnosis doctor house

Can't be a doctor because we can read the signature

[MegAzumarill]

i may be giving myself too much credit, and the middle/bottom of the list is a lot murkier, to be fair
i'm also being cautionary around megazu but it's very easy to kinda forget to scrutinise megazu

Scrutinizing me is never a good idea.
Half the time I don't even know what I'm doing.

[MegAzumarill]

I'm just along for the ride right now.
I'll let you know when I've got anything worth saying.

[MegAzumarill]

holy shit your eyes r moving

Weren't we in a game together before?

[MegAzumarill]

counterpoint: why's kaz bringing it up if he's mafia when they could just kill you at night

why would the mafia want to use their nightkill on someone they can miselim?

because openly SK hunting is sketchy
the fact kaz did it apropos of nothing is probably a sign he's just giving unfiltered thoughts, I think scum!them would have been able to push you as groupscum just as effectively

Wouldn't limming an SK be preferable to mafia day 1?

1 less kpn

[MegAzumarill]

you leave SK alive because the mafia have to kill the SK before the SK kills them

SK is just as dangerous as a vig to the mafia side

Aren't most sks bp though?

I agree that sks can be anti mafia, but they definitely arent pro town

[MegAzumarill]

you leave SK alive because the mafia have to kill the SK before the SK kills them

SK is just as dangerous as a vig to the mafia side

Aren't most sks bp though?

I agree that sks can be anti mafia, but they definitely arent pro town

full bp is kinda wild, one-shot is probably more common

this is a weird tangent. pooky is also generally correct. groupscum is significantly more dangerous in earlygame.

I'd think it'd be the opposite, but doesnt really matter either way.

[MegAzumarill]

Where are you at in this game?

I like Dannfloor and Dwlee for town. Maybe a side of Unwd.

Dannfloor is very succinct, not very driving, but reading his ISO it seems pretty obvious they are critically reading the game.
Unwd is townread for similar reasons, they seem to be actively scumhunting but from the main fray rather than the sidelines. Ill throw them a TL for now.
Dwlee seems to have the same impressions as me for a lot of the game so far.

I can see Loftwing as scum with either gamma or pooky off of associatives (mounting a defensish manuever for both out of purely mechanical reasons rather than off of reads).

Rest is very meh. I'll let you know if I forgot something.


Rest is meh.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: megazumarill
I'm still reading but I think I have enough of a scumpool that I want to actually break my habits and vote pre-being fully caught up

:C

[MegAzumarill]

and why aren't you voting loftwing if that's your core suspicion out of (loftwing/gamma/pooky)?

I think the associative is there if loftwing is scum.

It doesn't mean that I think he is more likely to be scum.

[MegAzumarill]

probably agree that unwnd's position in the game is not intuitive for scum. i don't, like..scumread loftwing at all though

Disagree with the first sentence, agree with the second.

[MegAzumarill]

and why aren't you voting loftwing if that's your core suspicion out of (loftwing/gamma/pooky)?

I think the associative is there if loftwing is scum.

It doesn't mean that I think he is more likely to be scum.

yeah this is transparently trying to dodge putting actual pressure on loftwing
meg/dwlee/loftwing is the scumteam

I'm just saying what I observe. And tracking this game hasn't been particularly easy, a lot of it blends together.
I'm not really interested in finding the whole scumteam d1. (It's impratical) I'm happy finding a few townreads I can fairly confidently sheep and work on solving d2 when we have 2 pieces of defined information (the d1 lim's role and the n1 kill's role)

[MegAzumarill]

Kinda forgot gork existed
I tr them though

[MegAzumarill]

i am the scums and i have fooled u all, muahaha

Oh no!

[MegAzumarill]

Ehh no

House/Azumarill/Dwlee is my poe right now

I don't know if i see them all as scum, though

those are just lurkers/active ppl with low presence.. i'd be fairly surprised if this was even 2/3

lolno, that only applies to meg at best

meg category 1, house/dwlee category 2.

Imagine lurking
Things aren't pinging a certain way this game as much as I'd like.
If they were I'd post more relevant stuff but what I do find is mostly already said. I'm a sheep, not a parrot.

[MegAzumarill]

can i bus d1 & d2 then tell everyone they are bad and have to sheep me? please?

You can certainly bus d1 and d2.

[MegAzumarill]

-considering changing votes-

[MegAzumarill]

Was thinking That b4 house post but whatever

[MegAzumarill]

I think Gamma's catchup bodes well for him being town. My gamma read is pretty good most of the time

Just all the more reason the people voting him are stinkers

What about I don't wanna tr gamma.

What are those 3 names

[MegAzumarill]

I mean you gotta if you want me to move my vote.

Or make me sr someone else.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean you gotta if you want me to move my vote.

Or make me sr someone else.

Why not convince me that Gamma is the right vote instead? Was KidAmn's inactivity really that telling to you?

You misunderstand my confidence in a gamma vote.
The problem for me with gamma is that they seem almost inverted to my feelings on various people. Fmpov, either they are scum and I am right (preferred), or they are town and one of us is wrong. (Which isn't preferred because the more correct player likely will die first due to scum influence) If the latter is true and I am right, this vote at least removes an incorrect townie. If I am wrong, all the content I put into this game turns up for nothing, which would make me sad, so I'll blindly believe that's not the case.

[MegAzumarill]

Do you believe he can't just learn the art of saying nothing while maintaining volume? Not a very difficult thing to do

dude radio buzz was the most shit posty game ever and he couldn't fit a word in edge wise (4 posts in 5 days? lolol) so he rep'd out

here he has no problem blending in and shitposting with us and going like 70 posts in 1 day

Angleshooting, gross (granted not for this game but still)

[MegAzumarill]

Meh, I don't feel like fighting this. If you trust the activity tell then whatever. I'm wary about such tells but I may be bringing some other environment factors back into MS.

I think its not because of a towncase, but because your scumcase is a pile of trash.

[MegAzumarill]

Meh, I don't feel like fighting this. If you trust the activity tell then whatever. I'm wary about such tells but I may be bringing some other environment factors back into MS.

I think its not because of a towncase, but because your scumcase is a pile of trash.

This aggression from you is very misplaced?

No aggression intended, just feel this reason for a push doesn't really hold up logically

[MegAzumarill]

To be honest, we won't get anywhere fast if KidAmn does a noshow here and gets repped.

I don't get this SK nonsense. What? Why? I know that some people said earlier that Pooky was probably an SK (KrazyArt?) but I'm not sure where they would have gotten that idea from.

Ok so KidAmn's slot is basically unkillable today.

[MegAzumarill]

I actually like Megazu for town too but I'll revisit this when I'm not riding the high of people joining my pet wagon

I DISAGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH THIS GAME AND IT'S FRUSTRATING ME

HOW IS SOMEONE NOT HAVING READS NEARING 1000 POSTS TOWNIE???

HELLO???? I CAN'T REMEMBER A SINGLE THOUGHT AZU MADE

Go take a nap or something

[MegAzumarill]

Your reason was they weren't aggressive for the first 4 pages of the game when on page 5 they explain what they were doing.

[MegAzumarill]

Gork asked for a citation

[MegAzumarill]

Giving reads is entirely out of self preservation at base.
Finding a player scummy/townie doesn't make them any scummier/townier for others.
It only helps to sort your own slot, which I already know. If town is interested in my reads I will give them but I see no point in disrupting the conversation with my own reads most of the time.

This is different than spotting scummy/townie behavior, which if already examined still has no need of parroting. If it isn't mentioned before than mentioning it helps town sort other slots.

[MegAzumarill]

Giving reads is entirely out of self preservation at base.
Finding a player scummy/townie doesn't make them any scummier/townier for others.
It only helps to sort your own slot, which I already know. If town is interested in my reads I will give them but I see no point in disrupting the conversation with my own reads most of the time.

This is different than spotting scummy/townie behavior, which if already examined still has no need of parroting. If it isn't mentioned before than mentioning it helps town sort other slots.

Color me interested.

Just some game philosophy to my playstyle.

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:
I support both navi and murdercat wagons.
Probably the former over the latter because I don't speak poet.

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:
I support both navi and murdercat wagons.
Probably the former over the latter because I don't speak poet.

votes are a fair bit more valuable than words, 184.

What does the 184 mean?

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:
I support both navi and murdercat wagons.
Probably the former over the latter because I don't speak poet.

votes are a fair bit more valuable than words, 184.

What does the 184 mean?

if that is your real name

????

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: murdercat

I'll see you guys tomorrow

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Loftwing

All aboard; the train has arrived

But why would we move off of Mcat/navi? What have they done that pings you as townish, or what has Loftwing done that pings you as scummy?

[MegAzumarill]

The Silence is Deafening

I have some bad news for you about the nature of this website,

[MegAzumarill]

Navi is at E-3 zzzzzzz

[MegAzumarill]

I don’t exactly think I have the team nailed, though I feel like Meg+Loftwing is painfully obvious

Lets say I flip town today.
Who do you think is scum then?

[MegAzumarill]

So when are we going to talk about the fact that we are all in hoods?

The hoods are obviously because everyone is joining pooky's cult.

Wish I had a PT though :C

[MegAzumarill]

I think I want LLD dead.

Vibes come off as more "trying to get people to agree with me" instead of "try to accurately sort a slot"

[MegAzumarill]

I think I want LLD dead.

Vibes come off as more "trying to get people to agree with me" instead of "try to accurately sort a slot"

her way of sorting is to tie a noose around your neck and keep tightening it until you die or towntell lol

Alright but she should get some material to make the noose out of first

She's making it out of nothing is what it looks like now

[MegAzumarill]

mine

[MegAzumarill]

I recognize we have 2 days but why are you cutting this short?

im not particularly in a rush, otherwise i would be asking everyone to duckpile on and get a claim.
if this is an extension of what you think my question was for, i was asking it equally to see what your intentions were as well as your read on the gamestate at that moment when you decided to go after dwlee.

No the question is fine, I was talking about the statement you made after.

The question continued the line of process. The statement...

Man IDK, we had so much more to explore. And now people like that Azumaril person aren't really going to feel any form of concern to do anything, you know?

I don't follow

[MegAzumarill]

I think I want LLD dead.

Vibes come off as more "trying to get people to agree with me" instead of "try to accurately sort a slot"

her way of sorting is to tie a noose around your neck and keep tightening it until you die or towntell lol

Alright but she should get some material to make the noose out of first

She's making it out of nothing is what it looks like now

I just joined the game literally less than 24 hours ago, and I've not read anything before when I replaced in. I'm working on what I have, and what I have is some really weak Dwlee posts that contain little reasoning and seem to engender the same apathy into the game I am concerned about existing.

I think that's more than enough to begin with, frankly.

I'm not convinced you are really reading the conversation and are going after someone in spite of context. I don't think you really care what Dwlee is saying.

Spoiler: Evidence

LLD, Gamma, *sees 1189* House

What was so bad about 1189, Dwlee?

Why is Gamma scum, Dwlee?

You would know the actual situation if you had taken 5 seconds to look at the post that Dwlee has mentioned. The fact you didn't tells you don't really care about the question you are asking and its answer.

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

Probably similarly cause I'd be mimicking my reaction to this in the past. My goal would be to just not get in this situation which I would do by not picking a fight with LLD

I know that you know people have visibly used this argument enough times and seen it work a few for you to understand that

"picking a fight with LLD" is no longer an alignment indicative action that scum are afraid to do. Scum know that it can be argued it's easier to just ignore me, so they pick the fight anyway to hide under it.

This statement holds nothing but air.

This wasn't supposed to be a defense but a response to a question. It feels like you are breaking open a random rock in order to say that the wall of Dwlee's defense is weak.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

[MegAzumarill]

not only does Aisling have a read and want it to be heard, but MORE IMPORTANTLY they are doing so because they are TOWN and the game is STAGNATING close to DEADLINE and we need more DATA!!! join Aisling in their RIGHTEOUS CAUSE!!!! to save the game from STAGNATION!!!!!!!!

(may i please check pronouns for Aisling?)

You don't get to make the first post and then ask the second one. Like we just had a whole discussion of good faith bad faith, and I feel I've acted in good faith.

You going around parading and doing a mockery of me and playing "Dumb guy" to insult my intelligence, then asking my pronouns?

Like, no. Seriously go away.

first one is a game take, second one is just, like.. asking a question. settle petal.

The first one is actively insulting to me.

It's like if I did:

iM jUsT aSkInG a QuEsTiOn 4head

that's not an okay thing to do, and following it up with a pronoun question (my pronouns are on my account) is just not okay.

And then telling me to "settle petal" when I have a real grievance with your behaviour, instead of addressing it (see how I addressed it with Dwlee) is also super not okay.

Emphasizing the fact you are overusing buzz words is a lot different than the mocking tone in that hyptohetical. On that note everything you seem to be doing seems almost hyperbolized, for lack of a better term.

Also recognizing your common play as scum is not a defense since you knowing your scum gameplay can be used to subvert expectations.

[MegAzumarill]

The fact you are saying you aren't using buzzwords by bringing up the least buzz-iest emphasized words doesn't really help your case.

[MegAzumarill]

like you're not meaningfully advancing the game. you're loudly virtue signalling that you're here to advance the game. you're called out, and you're actively unpleasant. what's your game here?

In what way am I actively unpleasant, or is this another personal crack?

noting that's the part of the question that relates the least to your alignment

Nah dude I'm not playing with alignment stuff right now because I've got beef.

I've been trying to be pleasant and not be angry this game, and you're making fun of me and then tone policing me when I tell you I'm upset.

I'm pretty far from okay with you rn, so I'm trying to figure out if this is some personal bullshit or if you're just insensitive.

Go take a nap.

Come back to play when you are going to play, it does no good to us for you to be involved in a personal argument here. Who started what is irrelevant at the end of the day.

[MegAzumarill]

for example in Radio Buzz, both replacements on D1 were scumbags

here we have 2 replacements as well.

Angleshooting is gross

[MegAzumarill]

Spoiler:

I recognize we have 2 days but why are you cutting this short?

im not particularly in a rush, otherwise i would be asking everyone to duckpile on and get a claim.
if this is an extension of what you think my question was for, i was asking it equally to see what your intentions were as well as your read on the gamestate at that moment when you decided to go after dwlee.

No the question is fine, I was talking about the statement you made after.

The question continued the line of process. The statement...

Man IDK, we had so much more to explore. And now people like that Azumaril person aren't really going to feel any form of concern to do anything, you know?

I don't follow

I think I want LLD dead.

Vibes come off as more "trying to get people to agree with me" instead of "try to accurately sort a slot"

her way of sorting is to tie a noose around your neck and keep tightening it until you die or towntell lol

Alright but she should get some material to make the noose out of first

She's making it out of nothing is what it looks like now

I just joined the game literally less than 24 hours ago, and I've not read anything before when I replaced in. I'm working on what I have, and what I have is some really weak Dwlee posts that contain little reasoning and seem to engender the same apathy into the game I am concerned about existing.

I think that's more than enough to begin with, frankly.

I'm not convinced you are really reading the conversation and are going after someone in spite of context. I don't think you really care what Dwlee is saying.

Spoiler: Evidence

LLD, Gamma, *sees 1189* House

What was so bad about 1189, Dwlee?

Why is Gamma scum, Dwlee?

You would know the actual situation if you had taken 5 seconds to look at the post that Dwlee has mentioned. The fact you didn't tells you don't really care about the question you are asking and its answer.

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

Probably similarly cause I'd be mimicking my reaction to this in the past. My goal would be to just not get in this situation which I would do by not picking a fight with LLD

I know that you know people have visibly used this argument enough times and seen it work a few for you to understand that

"picking a fight with LLD" is no longer an alignment indicative action that scum are afraid to do. Scum know that it can be argued it's easier to just ignore me, so they pick the fight anyway to hide under it.

This statement holds nothing but air.

This wasn't supposed to be a defense but a response to a question. It feels like you are breaking open a random rock in order to say that the wall of Dwlee's defense is weak.

not really up to digging out all the posts like, right now, but the dialouge around LLD's entrance/dwlee push and megazu's reaction would be a really fucking wonky bus decision. counterpoint within my mind is like, if i'm just wrong about LLD and she's town epic failing at the thread, she might be someone who looks like LHF so this might be opportunistic. atp i think LLD is just scum though so

[MegAzumarill]

If there’s a vig they should shoot Meg for breaking the site for no discernible reason

What did I do?

[MegAzumarill]

What even were you trying to do in 1755, I don’t see any comment so it looks like you requoted a broken post just to put it on the new page

Did you not see the quote repeatedly like thrice beforehand?

I like being a part of things. I get lonely sometimes

[MegAzumarill]

kazyan, LLD, House, Navi, MCat,

I would like to vote one of these out today.
I feel like there's very good odds of hitting scum by picking one in this group at random (and we can probably do better than that)

[MegAzumarill]

Gamma why do you think I'm scum?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Navi

Preferred to TW for me.

[MegAzumarill]

I think navi was

[MegAzumarill]

I think TW will live to tomorrow

I hope at least

[MegAzumarill]

No kills tonight so the protectives did a good job

I'm agreeing that LLD's entrance is scummy.
VOTE: LLD

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I re thought over it

Its still scummy

[MegAzumarill]

Why did Navi the VT die over The Worst, the CLAIMED PR?

i feel like scum can be uncomfortable pushing a claimed PR based on optics? even if it would have technically been the optimal thing to do, if i were scum in this game i would have been incredibly uncomfortable trying to push that wagon through knowing how hard it would be to justify how it looks with the flip.

Not only that, from a scum perspective they also probably don't know if Navi is a PR, and Navi would theoretically be much harder elimination on a later phase than TW (as if TW's role was confirmable as town they'd probably have said so) I'd say its still a viable choice for scum to pick a navi wagon over TW there.

I don't really enjoy your attitude of "can't have anything scummy against me ever be valid"
It feels very chainsawy and self-preservy.
Doesn't give off solvy vibes, just

trying to stay alive

vibes

[MegAzumarill]

Why did Navi the VT die over The Worst, the CLAIMED PR?

i feel like scum can be uncomfortable pushing a claimed PR based on optics? even if it would have technically been the optimal thing to do, if i were scum in this game i would have been incredibly uncomfortable trying to push that wagon through knowing how hard it would be to justify how it looks with the flip.

Not only that, from a scum perspective they also probably don't know if Navi is a PR, and Navi would theoretically be much harder elimination on a later phase than TW (as if TW's role was confirmable as town they'd probably have said so) I'd say its still a viable choice for scum to pick a navi wagon over TW there.

I don't really enjoy your attitude of "can't have anything scummy against me ever be valid"
It feels very chainsawy and self-preservy.
Doesn't give off solvy vibes, just

trying to stay alive

vibes

Breaking this down point by point

1) Navi is not a harder elimination than the worst as proven by yesterday. Navi was checked out and elimination bait, the worst is actively defended.

Navi was primarily scumread do to giving up (for lack of a better term) under pressure. They easily could have jumped back in the town's eyes with convincing d2 play. TW's scumcase is built on specific interactions that numerous people find scummy, which is unlikely to change how people feel about said interactions in the future (without flips) Ergo, a TW scumcase would be an easier push on any future day than a navi push.

2) "Can't have anything scummy against me ever be valid" You haven't provided anything scummy. You've said, and I quote "LLD's entrance is bad" and "I reconsidered and it's still bad". Well, I don't think my entrance is bad, and more over, I know I'm town so why would I agree with your assessment here? Not only are you not saying anything about WHY my entrance is bad that I can defend myself against, but also you're talking as if you expect me to agree with you that I'm scummy somehow.

I think some valid points have been brought up by TW that I agree with. You treat them mostly with how I describe in 2.1

2.1) Also, I have, infact, copped to several things I've done this game. Including when Dwlee said I went 0 to 100. If you'll recall, I said "yep I did that, I don't agree it's scummy". So I have, infact, agreed to what others are saying. Your issue here is that I won't admit to being scummy which, given I know my rolepm says town, would be literal game throwing to do.

You admit here that you aren't responding with actual defense of your actions, just stating that they aren't scummy. Exactly my point as to why they don't hold weight or serve as a defense of your position. Also the GT argument here is very strong language for something literally every townie does in some way or another each game. (nobody looks perfectly townie, that's an unrealistic standard)

3)That's not what Chainsaw means. Chainsaw means defending someone else. Much like the way you defended the Worst yesterday. Chainsaw means stepping in front of someone else's questioning line to defend a person when you're not involved. For someone who agreed that I was apparently using buzzwords yesterday, you're using one here and misapplying it.

I'm sorry if I misuse the term here, though in this context I was using it as "countering an argument by discrediting it instead of challenging it"

3.1) I'm being self preservationist because I know I'm town and I'm arguing against bad arguments? I would note that I have yet to do any kind of self preservation arguments, but even if I have, defending yourself against pushes and making others see you as town is as important to being town as catching scum is. It's not scummy to argue why you're not scum.

You agree that trying to accurately sort slots is important. But i don't see any evidence of you trying to do that this game. In fact I have given evidence to the contrary (will quote next post)

4)I have literally been trying to solve this game since the moment I entered, and you should know this because that entrance of mine you are critiquing? The one you say is scummy? Involves me trying to solve and sort Dwlee's alignment. I have also stated townreads on several players, and even given a semblance of a readslist to explain my positions on multiple players.

This doesn't feel like the case and I have already shown why it doesn't seem that way (see following quote)

4.1) "Just trying to stay alive": see 3.1

Your argument holds no water, as explained above, and none of this is remotely a good reason to scum read someone.

Further, your focus on me lays bare something interesting. For someone concerned that I'm not doing any solving? Why aren't you trying to solve the game, Meg? You're hyper focusing on me and giving basically nothing while doing it, why aren't you engaging in other places trying to solve?

I have given my poe pool of where I think scum lies. The fact is that you are the slot I would love to see eliminated today. Even if you flip green I don't think you are being reasonable from a town perspective.

Bolded text is added by me. Quote incoming.

[MegAzumarill]

I think I want LLD dead.

Vibes come off as more "trying to get people to agree with me" instead of "try to accurately sort a slot"

her way of sorting is to tie a noose around your neck and keep tightening it until you die or towntell lol

Alright but she should get some material to make the noose out of first

She's making it out of nothing is what it looks like now

I just joined the game literally less than 24 hours ago, and I've not read anything before when I replaced in. I'm working on what I have, and what I have is some really weak Dwlee posts that contain little reasoning and seem to engender the same apathy into the game I am concerned about existing.

I think that's more than enough to begin with, frankly.

I'm not convinced you are really reading the conversation and are going after someone in spite of context. I don't think you really care what Dwlee is saying.

Spoiler: Evidence

LLD, Gamma, *sees 1189* House

What was so bad about 1189, Dwlee?

Why is Gamma scum, Dwlee?

You would know the actual situation if you had taken 5 seconds to look at the post that Dwlee has mentioned. The fact you didn't tells you don't really care about the question you are asking and its answer.

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

Probably similarly cause I'd be mimicking my reaction to this in the past. My goal would be to just not get in this situation which I would do by not picking a fight with LLD

I know that you know people have visibly used this argument enough times and seen it work a few for you to understand that

"picking a fight with LLD" is no longer an alignment indicative action that scum are afraid to do. Scum know that it can be argued it's easier to just ignore me, so they pick the fight anyway to hide under it.

This statement holds nothing but air.

This wasn't supposed to be a defense but a response to a question. It feels like you are breaking open a random rock in order to say that the wall of Dwlee's defense is weak.

[MegAzumarill]

Why did Navi the VT die over The Worst, the CLAIMED PR?

i feel like scum can be uncomfortable pushing a claimed PR based on optics? even if it would have technically been the optimal thing to do, if i were scum in this game i would have been incredibly uncomfortable trying to push that wagon through knowing how hard it would be to justify how it looks with the flip.

Not only that, from a scum perspective they also probably don't know if Navi is a PR, and Navi would theoretically be much harder elimination on a later phase than TW (as if TW's role was confirmable as town they'd probably have said so) I'd say its still a viable choice for scum to pick a navi wagon over TW there.

I don't really enjoy your attitude of "can't have anything scummy against me ever be valid"
It feels very chainsawy and self-preservy.
Doesn't give off solvy vibes, just

trying to stay alive

vibes

Breaking this down point by point

1) Navi is not a harder elimination than the worst as proven by yesterday. Navi was checked out and elimination bait, the worst is actively defended.

Navi was primarily scumread do to giving up (for lack of a better term) under pressure. They easily could have jumped back in the town's eyes with convincing d2 play. TW's scumcase is built on specific interactions that numerous people find scummy, which is unlikely to change how people feel about said interactions in the future (without flips) Ergo, a TW scumcase would be an easier push on any future day than a navi push.

2) "Can't have anything scummy against me ever be valid" You haven't provided anything scummy. You've said, and I quote "LLD's entrance is bad" and "I reconsidered and it's still bad". Well, I don't think my entrance is bad, and more over, I know I'm town so why would I agree with your assessment here? Not only are you not saying anything about WHY my entrance is bad that I can defend myself against, but also you're talking as if you expect me to agree with you that I'm scummy somehow.

I think some valid points have been brought up by TW that I agree with. You treat them mostly with how I describe in 2.1

2.1) Also, I have, infact, copped to several things I've done this game. Including when Dwlee said I went 0 to 100. If you'll recall, I said "yep I did that, I don't agree it's scummy". So I have, infact, agreed to what others are saying. Your issue here is that I won't admit to being scummy which, given I know my rolepm says town, would be literal game throwing to do.

You admit here that you aren't responding with actual defense of your actions, just stating that they aren't scummy. Exactly my point as to why they don't hold weight or serve as a defense of your position. Also the GT argument here is very strong language for something literally every townie does in some way or another each game. (nobody looks perfectly townie, that's an unrealistic standard)

3)That's not what Chainsaw means. Chainsaw means defending someone else. Much like the way you defended the Worst yesterday. Chainsaw means stepping in front of someone else's questioning line to defend a person when you're not involved. For someone who agreed that I was apparently using buzzwords yesterday, you're using one here and misapplying it.

I'm sorry if I misuse the term here, though in this context I was using it as "countering an argument by discrediting it instead of challenging it"

3.1) I'm being self preservationist because I know I'm town and I'm arguing against bad arguments? I would note that I have yet to do any kind of self preservation arguments, but even if I have, defending yourself against pushes and making others see you as town is as important to being town as catching scum is. It's not scummy to argue why you're not scum.

You agree that trying to accurately sort slots is important. But i don't see any evidence of you trying to do that this game. In fact I have given evidence to the contrary (will quote next post)

4)I have literally been trying to solve this game since the moment I entered, and you should know this because that entrance of mine you are critiquing? The one you say is scummy? Involves me trying to solve and sort Dwlee's alignment. I have also stated townreads on several players, and even given a semblance of a readslist to explain my positions on multiple players.

This doesn't feel like the case and I have already shown why it doesn't seem that way (see following quote)

4.1) "Just trying to stay alive": see 3.1

Your argument holds no water, as explained above, and none of this is remotely a good reason to scum read someone.

Further, your focus on me lays bare something interesting. For someone concerned that I'm not doing any solving? Why aren't you trying to solve the game, Meg? You're hyper focusing on me and giving basically nothing while doing it, why aren't you engaging in other places trying to solve?

I have given my poe pool of where I think scum lies. The fact is that you are the slot I would love to see eliminated today. Even if you flip green I don't think you are being reasonable from a town perspective.

Bolded text is added by me. Quote incoming.

"Even if you flip green, I don't think you are being reasonable from a town perspective."

I don't really want to talk to you anymore. It feels like you just don't like my aggressive playstyle and are either:

scum using this to push me and saying that line to try and absolve yourself for when I flip town

or

town who is more concerned with HOW I am playing than my alignment, and trying to convince themselves that if I do flip town, it wasn't your fault and there was nothing you could have done.

In either case, arguing with you will get me absolutely nowhere and do nothing but frustrate me.

Alright, want to give your thoughts on me then?
You seem pretty interested in my motivations and I'd like to see you take a stance on a player I know the alignment of.

[MegAzumarill]

LLD why don't you want to play my game?

It makes me lonely.

Surely you must have some strong thoughts about me now?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: MegAzumarill
While I’m not sure this is the best path it’s one I can accept. Meg has felt shady since the beginning for me.

You're not the one I want to make a scumcase on me smh.

[MegAzumarill]

Weird wagon to form but ok

[MegAzumarill]

now u see why i want gamma to expand. lol.

Gamma

[MegAzumarill]

Question: Why is a wagon forming on Gamma?

They only want to pile-drive in a poor little defenseless townie?
What's the harm in that?

[MegAzumarill]

Unless I completely read it wrong and you're saying

They as in Gamma only wants to pile-drive a poor defenseless townie

Yes but also citation needed on me calling gamma scum

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I'm half serious that her biggest read is me as hard scum.

Unlikely for a scum to tunnel vision a townie d1 with no support from allies (that I saw at least)

I'm actually thinking she's town here. Her reasonings seem genuine (although I think incorrect)

[MegAzumarill]

Sorry about pronouns

My bad

[MegAzumarill]

Townread

:
Gork (PROTAGONIST OF THE GAME)
Dwlee99 (10-degree tilt for a minute there, literally no agenda, didn't do the scum tell)
Dann (I get good vibes from every post Dann makes; he seems like he's trying to bring order to a chaotic town. I know he's been burned by unwnd's scumgame in a chaotic normal before.)
The Worst (extremely town discussion with unwnd)

Townlean

:
unwnd (extremely town discussion with TW, but I'm generally spooked about the strength of unwnd's scumgame.)

Null

:
LLD (I'm, uh, done having opinions on this slot for a while)

Confu

sed

About

:
Pooky (Obviously not an SK anymore, and has completely dropped the indecision about who to kill. I have a hard time believing that his drunkposting spree could have been done with scum intent, but I need to ask whether this is typical of town!Pooky or not. I haven't seen him like this in his towngame yet, but I've seen him death-tunnel a claimed PR in Dogs Vs. Cats, in which he was mafia.)
House (I can't put my finger on what it is. I feel the towniness, but House has also just sorta been skirting every single discussion since the first few 24-hour days of the game, which I feel like is a good place for scum to hang out in. I also can't help but look at how he was on the only one on a non-viable wagon yesterday and think 'what's up with that'?)

Scumlean

:
MurderCat (This is where my heart wants to vote. I get what he's saying about Meg. I'm also kinda tinfoiling that the no-kill was specifically to kneecap MCat's ability to VCA if that's what he does every game, but I don't know. MCat, do you do VCA in most games?)
Gamma (PoE tbh)

Delet this

:
Meg (Meg has been diffident, wagon-hopping in a way that looks manufactured, and only broke out the actual convincing statements when directly pressured, i.e. saving themselves. The more I think about that "pick scum among these five at random" post, the more I think of it as throwing miselim options at the wall and seeing what sticks.)

-----

The trees I want to shake are the "Confused About" ones.

This doesn't feel genuine, at least the part about when I gave my POE post i gave yesterday.

In that post I gave 2 of the lowest other 3 slots on this list (and Navi/Kaz themself)The idea that I am scum and am trying to miseliminate town, but they also think who I am trying to mislim is scum?

It doesn't work logically for something they claim to spend a lot of time thinking about.


Rest of the readlist lines up mostly with my thoughts, ignoring both reads on me/gamma.

[MegAzumarill]

Isn't gamma the only flip here where a town! flip basically outs scum? (Las)

[MegAzumarill]

Kazyan*

[MegAzumarill]

I mean you right. But MRB is gonna be on gamma anyway.

We have time to lim all 3 if worse comes to worse anyhow.


Id say if kaz flips town we flip gamma

[MegAzumarill]

I want an inno on me :C

In all seriousness LLD/TW check works for me

VOTE: no lim

[MegAzumarill]

I mean you can check me with TW if ya really want. Other than that whoever you don't think i am scum with

If we are s/s it becomes obvious when tw doesn't die and then you have all 3 scum between 4 people so its a mechanical auto town win.

[MegAzumarill]

Good by me

[MegAzumarill]

Btw no lim is at e-1 since it usually just requires 50% instead of majority

[MegAzumarill]

ro3?

[MegAzumarill]

ro3?

Rule of Three
Scum tend to include a buddy whenever they are posting a set of three names unprompted

But this game I'm putting all of my scumbuddies whenever I give names?
I mean that only matters if I am scum so I'd suggest against using it until I flip red (never)

[MegAzumarill]

They wouldve said they could've stopped the kill tho

[MegAzumarill]

Some sentiment has been given to eliminating outside of the parity cop trio which I would like to object to.

It gives up too much tempo and we are not able to eliminate the trio in time (2/3)

[MegAzumarill]

No elimination

Which does not lose the tempo

[MegAzumarill]

I have no objections to a kaz wagon today.

We have the time to use an extra night phase at one point in this game. IMO it can be better to get more night actions before the other tprs have to out.

Both are fine though.

[MegAzumarill]

Gamma the fact you cant figure out who my partners are may be because I don't have any.

[MegAzumarill]

Gamma wants to be limmed but not shot at night?

But why?

[MegAzumarill]

My biggest hope is that an investigative role targets someone tonight and gives us info on the trio. That's why I think no lim is a decent option.

Yeah if we have any tpr not in the trio its just better to no lim for info

[MegAzumarill]

I'm going to be blunt here.

This entire situation feels to me like gamma and kaz are s/s.

Gamma wanting to bot flip kaz despite having a guilty.
The fact that is 1 flips scum the other would look clear (even though not in reality)
Gamma trying to push specifically unwd in their posts.

Anyone else get the same impression?

[MegAzumarill]

Now is not the time to eliminate me

If you want to do it later go ahead but I prefer the safety of being able to eliminate the whole trio of needed

So if whoever flips scum and y'all think im a partner of them, then go ahead and lim me but not till then

[MegAzumarill]

@ gamma LLD/ house probably

@pooky Kaz or no lim

[MegAzumarill]

You do know my green flip + TW/Unwd scumteam usuallt just leads to us losing here?
We have a confirmed scum in a trio elimming anyone outside is risking a loss by picking the wrong member of the trio as the "town" after someone there green flips.
If we can flip scum in at least 2 lims from inside the trio, lim me, sure. But doing so now is just taking a guarenteed scum down to a gamble.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: kazyan
This or no lim is the way to go.

[MegAzumarill]

No lim is not worse than a mislim
If you want any lim over no lim why not kaz?

[MegAzumarill]

I mean yes but I would like to resolve the trio.
It can probably self resolve with a no lim but there's too much resistance there RN to do anything about it.

[MegAzumarill]

Alright, but why on me? This wagon on me is very slow moving and not being brought with any conviction. It feels like a bad wagon for associatives on flip.

Assume I am eliminated today
What information do we gain on a green flip?
What do we gain on a red flip?

[MegAzumarill]

The problem I have with that is the green flip info is very vague.
I don't think that that info is useful and I think a town!kaz flip is better for town than town!meg flip, because the slot gives some mechanical info at a MINIMUM.

[MegAzumarill]

Im aware I will die this game almost certainly but elimination now is a bad time.

[MegAzumarill]

Very little motion lately

still open to kaz lim and no lim

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: no lim

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Gamma

[MegAzumarill]

I'm still under the impression its both kaz and gamma.

[MegAzumarill]

Gamma's claim didn't feel natural with how they were playing yesterday, but it doesn't make sense for scum!gamma to put kaz/unwd as results if both were town.
It does however, make sense if kaz was scum with gamma.

[MegAzumarill]

Why fake a guilty on an ally cleared by a doctor?
Feels like you would be wasting choosing the no kill gambit.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Kazyan

Realizing a scum!Kazyan and town! Gamma world May be possible, but probably not the other way around

[MegAzumarill]

They had a really weird day 1 is about all I could say.
That and the strange lack of attention to their slot by gamma feels purposeful.
I'm really fine with either gamma or kaz lims here for mechanics.

As for outside of the mechanics frenzy, I think house/Mcat are the most suspiscious

[MegAzumarill]

Gamma got no result
LLD is vt

[MegAzumarill]

If kaz flips scum Roleblocker then unwd/pooky works.
If anything else you prolly don't get a result

[MegAzumarill]

If kaz flips scum Roleblocker then unwd/pooky works.
If anything else you prolly don't get a result

I already doubt Pooky/unwnd are S/S, so unless I get paranoid of Pooky that won’t happen. But I’d be willing to check unwnd/you. And part of me suspects maybe one of house/mcat are mafia ascetic (inclined to think it would be house perhaps)

Ascetic would be an interesting situation
Not actually too far-fetched as well

(quoting because pagetop)

[MegAzumarill]

I think they mean RB TW kill gamma

Obvs wouldn't happen here because it outs a 50/50 for scum.

[MegAzumarill]

Its 33/33/33 for scum because there is 3 people it could be (unwd, kaz, gamma)

Killing gamma saves a day if we were going to lim them anyway

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Gamma

If this flips town we have a confscum and a 50/50.
If scum then yay!

Its good either way

[MegAzumarill]

Can I be in the friendship circle?

[MegAzumarill]

At least the no lim got the real investigative a result

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: TW

[MegAzumarill]

I mean TW is just conf!scum here?

[MegAzumarill]

Are we seriously toying with the idea that TWas rbed n1, scum no kill gambit, didn't use the gambit to do anything, and then has an ascetic between gamma's n2 targets?

[MegAzumarill]

Because thats the world if TW is town.

Seems far fetched

[MegAzumarill]

I mean you are claiming a scum ascetic and a scum rber are in play.
I doubt the last 2 scum roles are those but your death leads to a 50/50 at least.

[MegAzumarill]

I was referring to TW my bad

[MegAzumarill]

Does anyone have objections to TW lim here?

If they flip town we have 1f1 between house and mcat

[MegAzumarill]

Because if TW is rolestopper then gamma's action failed because of an ascetic modifier on one of you

[MegAzumarill]

I mean that's not confirmed either way.
There are worlds where house can safely claim that as scum.

[MegAzumarill]

90% of the time TW just flips scum so it probably doesnt even matter

[MegAzumarill]

You received one n2 correct?

[MegAzumarill]

I mean its a reach playing theoreticals in agame where TW flips town here imo.

[MegAzumarill]

You received one n2 correct?

N3*

[MegAzumarill]

um what

wouldnt dannflor out house if he was faking?

Did I miss a claim? I only saw claims of live squirrels after Dann flipped.

I'm assumimg I missed it

[MegAzumarill]

Oh my bad

We have 1f1 on TW/ Mcat then

[MegAzumarill]

Unless scum has 2 Roleblockers/strong willed Roleblocker.


That seems way too far out of left field

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I'm not scum but good talk

[MegAzumarill]

The Neighborhood

Current Game State:

Day Four

Current Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-22 20:30:31)

The Basics

1. Day Phase: 8 days. Night Phase 2 days
   
2. 36 hours before prod, 24 hours before replacement.
   
3. I have some unusual rules, please pay special attention to rules 4 5 and 13 in the general rules section.
   
4. I have a "Don't play if you're not having fun" rule. Please avail yourself of it. There's no shame in requesting replacement if you're not enjoying yourself.
   
5. Respect everyone's basic humanity. Do not be an asshole to people. Don't be a racist or sexist or really any other -ist. Respect other players displayed pronouns.
   
6. This game is not explicitly bastard in the sense that I will never lie to you. However, as in all my games there is a potential for roles that are generally unpopular, non-standard balance as compared to the normal Mafiascum mod meta as well as swing.

General Rules

1. Have fun. This is not an option. Games are only good when players are having fun. If you are not having fun, replace out. There is no shame in this. I have no problem with it. You are not a bad person. Both you and the game will be happier for it.
   
2. The mod is always right. Always. Yes, even then. However, if you think there’s some confusion, and it absolutely can’t wait until the end of the game, send me a PM; do not break my game because you died when you didn’t think you should’ve.
   
3. Days will continue until one of two things happen: a player is killed or a deadline passes.
   
4. Please do not communicate with the mod in thread. Mod communication should not take place in the game thread. If I feel your question has an answer that the rest of the town needs to know about, I will make a game announcement. If you attempt to claim this is due to a question you asked I will count that as quoting mod communication.
   
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10. In the event of a modkill, it will end the day.
    
11. If a deadline passes without a player receiving the majority of the votes the day will end with no kill.
    
12. The days in this game will last 8 days.
    
13. If you don't get your choices in, your default action is NO ACTION.
    
14. I will be especially harsh on players who are prod dodging. I will count posts with little or no game contact, or a pattern of posts with little or no game content as a prod dodge and will replace you out of my game. I expect activity and I expect everyone to be playing. See rule 1 about replacing out if you are not having fun or do not have the time to play.

VT Role PM:

Hello and welcome to the neighborhood. You are a

Town VT

. Here is a random picture I found off the internet.

Abilities

• Each day you may vote for who you would like to kill.
  
• At night you may huddle in your bed terrified of all the mysterious forces in the world. You may PM me about it if you wish, but I will not answer, as if god himself hath forsaken you.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment.

Player List (bold confirmed)

1. Murdercat (he)
   
   
2. Kazyan (they)
   
   
3. loftwing

   Lady Lambdadelta (she)
   
   
4. Dwlee99 (they)
   
   
5. KidAmn

   Gamma Emerald (he)
   
   
6. Pookythemagicalbear (he)
   
   
7. Navi (she)
   
   
8. Dannflor (he)
   
   
9. Unwnd (he)
   
   
10. MegAzumarill (doesn't care)
    
    
11. Gorkington (he)
    
    
12. Wake88

    The Worst (he)
    
    
13. House (he)

[/list]

Spoiler: Alive (8)

Murdercat (he)
Dwlee99 (they)
Pookythemagicalbear (he)
Unwnd (he)
MegAzumarill (doesn't care)
House (he)
Gorkington (he)
The Worst (he)

Spoiler: Dead (5)

1)

Navi (she), vanilla townie, eliminated day one.

2)

Lady Lambdadelta (she), vanilla townie, Killed Night Two.

3)

Gamma Emerald (he), parity cop, Elimintated day three.

3)

Dannflor (he), live squirrel vendor, Killed Night Three.

3)

Kazyan (they) Mafia Goon Killed Night Three.

I mean fair.I don't really mind the lim if TW flips here. I end up just being LHF. Town probably still wins.

[MegAzumarill]

Your jokes are terrible.
But terrible jokes are the best kind of jokes.

[MegAzumarill]

Thanks, did you hear Netflix is making a show about plane hijackings?

They just shot the pilot.

[MegAzumarill]

Nice to see you so we dont prolong the inevitable TW lim

[MegAzumarill]

I would very much rather claim tomorrow, and we can solve from there.

[MegAzumarill]

Isn't MCat still always evil acetic?

[MegAzumarill]

Interesting analysis. Incorrect, but interesting
I agree we should lim MCat here.

[MegAzumarill]

I claim VT.

[MegAzumarill]

What if the question isn't eho would recruit Gork n1.
What if is is who would recruit Kazyan n1.

[MegAzumarill]

I'm assuming cult can't recruit mafia.
No mentor kill n2 implies that gork turned on n2, then the mentor proceeded to kill who they knew was maf

[MegAzumarill]

We have a cult mentor, a mafia Roleblocker, probably another goon
One of the above has ascetic

Alternatively mafia has 2 roleblockers

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Murdercat

Someone explain to me what snoop does if you know

[MegAzumarill]

Are you dumbtelling how cult works

Cult doesn't get a kill

Look at the wiki page

The mentor role gets a kill if it has a mentee

[MegAzumarill]

Well we know there's a roleblocker so.....

[MegAzumarill]

Gork may havr turned n1 actuallu

[MegAzumarill]

Wait no that doesnt work

The question I want to answer is what happened to the Mentor kill n2 if someone (Gork)was turned n1

[MegAzumarill]

I guess it really could have been eaten by a roleblocker n2 and n4

[MegAzumarill]

Cant recruit the cult claim obv

[MegAzumarill]

Does anyone have a possible scenario where MCAT is not ascetic goon?

If not we should just lim that

[MegAzumarill]

We do still need to figure out CL today

Or at least mafia needs to

[MegAzumarill]

No, we need them to have it
If they don't Town always loses
They usually lose too in the case they get it wrong anyway, so our goals are aligned atm.

[MegAzumarill]

Id imagine it would just make the recruit fail if the mentor dies the same night

Guess it could go either way

[MegAzumarill]

Ok but we actually don't want you performing actions if you are cult <3

[MegAzumarill]

Ok but we actually don't want you performing actions if you are cult <3

What if dwlee is the ascetic?

Is there any reason I would have been targeted by a roleblocker after I claimed bulletproof yesterday?

What did you do each night

[MegAzumarill]

You still win if mafia is eliminated tomorrow

[MegAzumarill]

@House what is your exact win con?

[MegAzumarill]

Also what are the exact requirements for recruitment

[MegAzumarill]

Why you be assuming I'm mafia

What if I'm just an sk

[MegAzumarill]

Alright but I'm not mafia

[MegAzumarill]

That said eliminating the roleblocker could lead to a town win VOTE: unvote

Pooky+ Dwlee make your cases

[MegAzumarill]

What about roleblocker kills?

[MegAzumarill]

Considering there was a mafia kill last night and the cult kill was blocked

Its multitasking

[MegAzumarill]

Why would roleblocker need to get rid of house

This is the problem

[MegAzumarill]

Still dont like to do a situation where scum can force a draw/joint win

[MegAzumarill]

Town loss moves outside of town hands at that point

[MegAzumarill]

We lim between us three today.
If we hit roleblocker we enter kingmaker where town can win, maybe even force a win if a TPR exists.
If we not we have the same odds as in Elo and would've lost anyway

[MegAzumarill]

If MCAT is traitor they could vote with us and cannot kill us.

We would endgame them in 1v2

[MegAzumarill]

5 players- 2 cult -
3 votes to eliminate


It ends up being kingmaker which I think I prefer

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: MCAT

I see a few ways this goes wrong
Its up to scum either way
That's all I'll say for now

[MegAzumarill]

Just hammer him

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: House

[MegAzumarill]

town

[MegAzumarill]

My only out is if House culted last mafia or only 2 player maf team.
I'm not switching vote

[MegAzumarill]

Game ends here either way im p sure

[MegAzumarill]

2:2 scumteams would be balanced

[MegAzumarill]

And a snoop

And maybe ythan was a pr of some sort

[MegAzumarill]

N3*

[MegAzumarill]

Mentee dies if mentor dies

[MegAzumarill]

Probably

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I am not

[MegAzumarill]

R u mafia

[MegAzumarill]

The problem with that is set NAR is only to resolve conflicting actions.

Since the roleblock did not interfere with the role stop, usually this would count as the roleblocker action being stopped.

"If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list."
This applies for normal NAR at least.

Overall it's fine because it just equates to a strong willed roleblocker in all but name, which did not actually matter during gameplay.

[MegAzumarill]

Overall I had a lot of fun and think you did a good job Shea

[MegAzumarill]

The problem with that is set NAR is only to resolve conflicting actions.

Since the roleblock did not interfere with the role stop, usually this would count as the roleblocker action being stopped.

"If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list."
This applies for normal NAR at least.

Overall it's fine because it just equates to a strong willed roleblocker in all but name, which did not actually matter during gameplay.

I...know this? I was explicitly stating I did not use NAR.

Alright I must've misread, I thoguht you we're using NAR in a different order.

Point still stands that it didn't affect gameplay in all but name so the only one that really ended up slighted was Mafia not neccasarily having the knowledge the roleblock resolved first.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I think gamma and the worst thing could potentially end very differently if there had been any clue that maybe night action resolution wasn't completely bog standard.

If you assume NAR it just ended up being that Murdercat was a roleblocker with a hidden strong willed modifier. Not really bad and nothing changes from a town POV.

I at least considered the possibilty of a strong willed roleblocker but decided it was unlikely.
Probably a bad assumption considering roleblocker + parity cop is an extremely OP FTC setup. Assuming scum had a bypass should have been default.