newbie 2080: correct statements (this is over)

[Galron]

VOTE: Thynhith

Lack of vowels. That's going to be annyoing.

[Galron]

And sometimes y doesn't really count.

[Galron]

VOTE: Spangled

Trying to make sense of it all is a scum tell.

[Galron]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

Kinda weird you want to get the tracker killed N1.

[Galron]

Roden, sorry but I'm not reading past games. If you have posts to link to, that's okay. But I'm not reading games unless I generate some WIM.

[Galron]

I've listened to this every day for the past two months. It applies here.

Spoiler:

[Galron]

Roden, sorry but I'm not reading past games. If you have posts to link to, that's okay. But I'm not reading games unless I generate some WIM.

That's fine, it isn't required reading. More so just some background info on Cook's strat, you can do with it as you wish.

Meh. I'll probably do it. Just don't feel like it at this point. You're good enough that I'm sure I'll get something out of it.

(that's not a pocket)

[Galron]

VOTE: Spangled

Trying to make sense of it all is a scum tell.

I’m trying to get my thoughts onto not-paper, get things out there to be responded to
I’m pretty confused by the strategy and the principles it’s predicated on

It's rvs so I wouldn't get too overwhelmed by any principles. Trying to make sense right now is a good opp for scum to jump.

[Galron]

I'm kinda game-starved right now, waiting for things to start in other queues. So I may be posting more that I usually do.

[Galron]

And as this is a straight up schadd_ game where schadd_ is limited in the design, I can only imagine the weird stuff that would happen if it weren't in this queue.

[Galron]

I've listened to this every day for the past two months. It applies here.

Spoiler:

I've also listened to this every day for the past two months if you want Ringo with some help from John.

Spoiler:

As far as I'm concerned every time scum is caught, it's Goodnight Vienna.

And lest you go Boomer on me, I'm not in that slot. Good music is good music.

[Galron]

VOTE: Spangled

Trying to make sense of it all is a scum tell.

I’m trying to get my thoughts onto not-paper, get things out there to be responded to
I’m pretty confused by the strategy and the principles it’s predicated on

It's rvs so I wouldn't get too overwhelmed by any principles. Trying to make sense right now is a good opp for scum to jump.

I meant, the principles of Cook’s strategy.
but wdym by the last bit?

Just new players jumping on inconsequential stuff. RVS is not really a good time to do much more than fool around and fall in crumbs.

[Galron]

Like this

Spoiler:

[Galron]

Glad you said that. But I'm going to leave it at E-2 to see what happens.

[Galron]

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

[Galron]

I noticed we have 4 SEs this game. So maybe something outlandish will happen, but I doubt it. If I find anyone tonight to guilty, I'll probably hold onto it until Day 3 just to see what kind of scramble Day 2 is.

[Galron]

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

[Galron]

Didn't read Cook's stuff.

VOTE: spangled

[Galron]

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I didnt read it. I think you're scum though.

[Galron]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

[Galron]

Four pages I guess. Same thing.

[Galron]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

no, there’s not enough to case me on, fair enough

but in the first one I’m looking for problems with Cook’s plan, to see if she has answers for those problems
in the second I’m talking to you, in rather the same way you talked to me, and then asking you what you think about something we might do, which is more game-advancing/consensus-building than anything particular you’ve done

maybe you see my tone as bad, which is fair, I guess, but at the very least I’ve asked for opinions on subjects, which is the most game-advancing thing anyone’s done so far

except your and Cook’s votes on me I guess lmao that’s funny

I have no response other than this.

[Galron]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

I disagree and this read doesn't feel natural to me.

Natural or not, that's what I've got. If you think I added a bit of aspertame, that's fine.

[Galron]

*except not read Cook’s stuff, but that can easily be attributed to laziness, rather than malice

As a clue it's not laziness, it's apathy.

[Galron]

Didn't read Cook's stuff.

VOTE: spangled

Also why not read it? Very much anti-town

VOTE: Galron

At least it's a vote for a decent reason.

[Galron]

Why do you think Galron’s anti-town, DArby?
like he’s voting me, but what has he done that’s anti-town?

It’s less that he’s voting you and more so that he voted twice for the same person in a row. Sure he doesn’t have to read everything but if he doesn’t want to read it provide something to counter the main discussion. Though, how can he have the second highest post count and not have anything substantial to say on the matter?

It all feels like anti-town busywork. I’ll take a look at his meta sometime in the next 24 hours and see if this is how he plays but I don’t trust it.

Before I sleep:

@Galron: why are you apathetic? How would you rather scum hunt?

I don't really have a handle on this game yet. Well, maybe a little. I'll let Will Geer in on this; I mean that was six or seven seasons on the Walons and he almost always had a line on everyone in the cast.

Truth be told, I'm not so much of a scum hunter as a town hunter. I can spot a John Boy. But if you want me to find an Ashley Longworth, Sr or Jr, it takes me a bit of work.

[Galron]

If you want to go To Close for Comfort or Charles in Charge I will probably have a problem.

I didn't realize that I was voting for the same playe twice, but whoever said one was rvs and the other was serious was prolly right.

[Galron]

Sorry Too Close for Comfort. I can't believe I spelled a Jim J. Bullock show incorrectly.

[Galron]

If you want to go To Close for Comfort or Charles in Charge I will probably have a problem.

I didn't realize that I was voting for the same playe twice, but whoever said one was rvs and the other was serious was prolly right.

the person you voted for both times said that
it was me!

do you not want others in the town to take charge? I’m not sure what you’re saying here

pedit
lmao I like this not-gimmick-thing

No. No gimmick. I hadn't recalled who I voted before. And now I've got to look to see why I decideded it was a serious vote. So much work.

[Galron]

Sorry for my absence, I was either sleeping or working. On my lunch break now, but before I go back some food for thought: not reading a players post due to apathy seems worse than not reading it due to laziness. Galron, is it just Cook's posts you're apathetic towards? Why?

I'm not apathetic toward Cook's posts. I just don't feel like reading them. I guess maybe that is apathy; I don't know. Everyone else's posts are much shorter. That's got something to do with it. Cook could be open-wolfing (I have a personal bias against that term btw), but I don't know. It seems that if anyone is wolfing (there's that term again) it up again, I, and everyone else, would be alerted to it. In a succinct manner ofc.

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

[Galron]

Giving Roden a town read.

[Galron]

this is a pretty different attitude to what you had at the start of the game IIRC

I don't recall how I was at the beginning. I'm not above trying something new.

[Galron]

Unless that person is Cook, because how can you be alert to an open wolf if you don't feel like reading their lengthy posts?

This proposes that you aren't reading her posts also.

[Galron]

Unless that person is Cook, because how can you be alert to an open wolf if you don't feel like reading their lengthy posts?

This proposes that you aren't reading her posts also.

Facebones, can you show me how my not reading those posts leads to me not being aware of their contents?

[Galron]

Is anyone strongly scumreading anyone else atp?

[Galron]

I will get a somewhat-detailed readslist out sometime later today, if possible
not that you need to know that, but everyone needs something to look forward to, in their day

I don't like this post, but it may be a style thing.

[Galron]

I'm townleaning spangles.

[Galron]

Sorry spangled.

But I haven't read the past few pages thoroughly. I'm interested in the fluff:substance ratio.

[Galron]

Giving Roden a town read.

galron I'm not sure how you came to that read after only 5 posts, can you explain your thinking? you mentioned you were a "town hunter" before

Now you're here Galron, still waiting to see why you townread Roden?

A little more familiarty with him.

[Galron]

Giving Roden a town read.

galron I'm not sure how you came to that read after only 5 posts, can you explain your thinking? you mentioned you were a "town hunter" before

Now you're here Galron, still waiting to see why you townread Roden?

A little more familiarty with him.

so what is it about his behaviour or tone that suggests he’s playing to his town meta and not his scum meta?

Nothing in particular. Just a feeling.

[Galron]

I'm townleaning spangles.

weren’t you scumreading me before? what’s changed?

A re-read of the game.

[Galron]

Do people think one or both scum were against Cook's plan?

So you have Cook as town?

[Galron]

I'll take your word for it.

Roden, do you think you've posted enough for me to have a TR on you?

[Galron]

I'm townleaning spangles.

weren’t you scumreading me before? what’s changed?

A re-read of the game.

What did you see, in your reread?

A hint you may be town.

[Galron]

so I make look at this again and revise, that’s not the right word but I’m sure you know what I mean

You've come up with a baseline, assuming town, why wouldn't you revisit and revise?

[Galron]

Can everyone else put some eyes on this and tell me what it is I am missing here?

My view is that it's herding cats, and without an effective sales pitch, never comes together. 7 people are not going to agree to any plan, let alone this one. I assume that 3 or 4 may decide to follow it, and if so that torches the plan and makes town vulnerable. Without a buy in by all players, scum have the advantage.

My personal view is that I don't want to participate in a potentially game-breaking strategy, so I will never agree to such a plan. In these confined I'd rather not be part of a kind of a Kobayashi Maru scenario.

[Galron]

Terse and dispassionate is actually a good description of me, Spangled. Unless I get a couple of drinks in me

[Galron]

I don't understand the town reads on facebones

[Galron]

Val89's catchup posts, if that's what they are, underwhelm me. Cook's strategy isn't going to be implemented, and while it's fine to talk about players' reactions to the proposal, focusing on the substance of the strategy is futile, and I believe of little value when it comes to reads. (Maybe other than Cook's, but I haven't seen it yet)

[Galron]

I'm flip flopping on Spangled.

[Galron]

Margot is a dead null.

[Galron]

I'm starting to develop a rough poi, and she's not quite in it yet.

[Galron]

I have to have some admiration for someone who's active listened to more than 1200a albums in the last few years. That's impessive. My musical tastes run wide, and I'm sure I could find that many albums or more to listen to. But active listening is another matter. That sounds like it could either be work or a way to meditate.

[Galron]

Going by post count at the time you TR'd me, I didn't have much content yet but I've been locktown'd for less, so it's nothing that pings me atm. I'd only be suspicious of it if I was a major scum read, I've said this in other games but scum love to town read me and defend me when I look scummy to get that sweet town cred if/when I flip green.

Tbh I'm more interested in who you scum read since Spangled is a town lean for you now.

I'll get to your question -- sorry I missed it. But I got the impression the first game I was in with you that you were LHF. I found out in other games that you are a strong player, so I don't know if the LHF game was larping or just an off-game. My guess is it was just a game you weren't into.

Spangled I'm back and forth on. Facebones leaning scum. Val leaning scum (very lightly bc of little content and I don't remember what the predecessor did)

[Galron]

That's better content.

[Galron]

The thing about X asking what Y thinks about Z has been in my head too.

[Galron]

EBWOP More specifically: why the swing in read of Spangled?
What makes you lean scum on Facebones, do any of his posts stand out to you?

wrt to Spangled, whoever pointed out fluff to substance ratio got me thinking

I'll get to facebones when they get back to me

[Galron]

Do people think one or both scum were against Cook's plan?

So you have Cook as town?

I do not. I'm suspicious of both, and think one of them has to be mafia
The game Roden pointed out where Cook did pre much the exact same thing i.e. tracker claiming is always on my mind
I think there might be a couple of slight differences? Some things Spangled has said seem disingenuous to me and I'm not discounting the possibility of him being scum wanting to out a town PR

Both being scum seems way too easy

Suspicious of both who? One is Cook, I get that. But who is the other?

And I don't understand asking if both scum were against the plan if you thought that Cook was one.

[Galron]

I assume you mean Spangled. If so, it's just an odd way to start a written thought. I guess unless they're ingrained in your subconscious.

[Galron]

Yes Galron, I was talking about both people FOR Cook's plan.
Your powers of deduction are uncanny and quite frankly lost in this game when there are cold cases waiting to be solved.

GO! The real world needs you.

If that's what you want to do, that's fine.

[Galron]

Galron, in fairness who else could it have possibly been?

Furthermore I don't see the point in you getting caught up in semantics rather than addressing the crux of the post.

Getting the premise correct in my head is important to me. What I took out of the post was that you had TMI'd Cook as town. I wanted to nail that down. Apparently you were referring to a post you had made some time back, and I didn't match the two posts up. So if you want to push me for not connecting the dots, that's fine. Turns out what I thought I had seen probably wasn't what it seemed. You cleared that up.

[Galron]

I have been and I am suffering from a pretty severe stomach bug
idk if this merits V/LA but I’ll definitely post less for the next day or so, sorry
just as a heads-up, I guess

Get well.

[Galron]

Margot really doesn't like rvs.

[Galron]

VOTE: mewtaph

What say you, mew?

[Galron]

mewtaph was replaced by val89

My fault. I thought I'd put some pressure on someone I hadn't heard from.

UNVOTE:

[Galron]

First, you say this...

Margot really doesn't like rvs.

...which makes me think you are paying attention and have spotted some of same stuff in Margots posting. +10 town points.

Then you go and vote Mew

Is that another one of these moments?

I'm interested in the fluff:substance ratio.

wrt to Spangled, whoever pointed out fluff to substance ratio got me thinking

I don't understand what 176 and 239 are indicative of to you.

[Galron]

Okay I think Word has made a convicing push, where I haven't been as thorough as he.

VOTE: cook

[Galron]

ofc that assumes word is town, but day 1 I'm willing to take that

[Galron]

Okay I think Word has made a convicing push, where I haven't been as thorough as he.

VOTE: cook

Who is Word? guessing that's not an acronym

Apologies. Mixed him up with another player.

[Galron]

UNVOTE: Cook
Unvoting until near EoD, in case someone lolhammers

Ah crap it looks like I miscounted, with this VOTE: Cook, you're back at E-2.

Cook. You’re now at e-2. If you have any better defense nows the time to use it. We only have 3 days left.

Huh?

You acknowledge that Cook is at lolhammer territory, then you make surprise that Cook's at E2 after your unvote.

[Galron]

This game is super quiet. Thanks, Val, for putting in the effort. Your work on cook seems solid. Somehow it still feels like lhf, but it's a decent case.

VOTE: Cook

[Galron]

The naked unvote of Margot when she is in no danger at all can be nothing more than an unspoken "I like what you are saying" signal. I have to be careful I am not falling for confirmation bias here, but I wonder what exactly it is about Margots posting that Cook is trying to signal she likes. I'm wondering if anyone else has any gut instinct on what it might be, just so I can be a bit more confident I'm not confbiasing here?

This might have been missed amongst everything else I posted, since nobody has proferred an answer.

Anyone have any thoughts on what Cook was trying to signal with the naked unvote on Margot at 290?

Eh.. I think her answer about liking Margot's posting right before that is probably true. If Cook is scum, it's a good way to draw attention to yourself being townie for someone who just spilled town. If Cook is town, it's just the right thing to do.

[Galron]

This game is super quiet. Thanks, Val, for putting in the effort. Your work on cook seems solid. Somehow it still feels like lhf, but it's a decent case.

VOTE: Cook

OH MY GOD GALRON VOTED TWICE AGAIN

I don't think so. I checked the last VC and I wasn't voting for anyone. I think my last voting action was unvoting mew (bc I'm an idiot).

[Galron]

Okay I think Word has made a convicing push, where I haven't been as thorough as he.

VOTE: cook

I guess I did.

[Galron]

And it was just last night. Gotta get my head in the game.

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

Alright. Let's flesh this out a bit.

[Galron]

Intent.

[Galron]

No biggie, Val

[Galron]

VOTE: Cook

[Galron]

I think Cook might actually be e+2 lol
man this timing is annoying I had things I wanted to say

Talk then.

[Galron]

In case I'm not in a position to say anything tomorrow, does any one need an explanation as to why I'm going to be spending the night evaluating my reads on Spangled and Margot, or is obvious enough to everyone else?

What a weird thing to say.

[Galron]

I want to see this flip. But it's time for me to leave work.

Funny people mentioning Facebones because there's something about that slot that doesn't sit right and I wanted to get deeper into it.

[Galron]

But there were a couple of townie things from Facebones as well, like when he pushed back at me.

[Galron]

Chain it up. I'm going home.

[Galron]

What a weird thing to say.

If you look at how my newbie games usually end for me, it might make more sense.

Maybe you'll be protected tonight, if that's where you're going.

[Galron]

Bah!

[Galron]

Nj scumbos. gga.

Thanks for the game _schadd. Apologies for breaking your rule.

[Galron]

Nj scumbos. gga.

Thanks for the game _schadd. Apologies for breaking your rule.

A jump to the left and a step to the right... let's do the schadd_ and not the _schadd...