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In post 42, Osetr wrote:quirkiness is towny for an average by-the-book player but for someone like me if im forcing a joke too hard it means im scum, very simple- Jacket
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Given that you're a new account (alt, I presume), I would say exactly no one has played with you before.
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So are you voting him because he's disrespectful or because you think he's mafia?In post 134, fua wrote:
His content is disturbing and disrespectful towards basically everyone here who's actually trying to play the game. I wouldn't say it if he was intentionally going out of his way to break the rules.In post 130, House wrote:
Anyone, for that matterIn post 128, Jacket wrote:Also, frankly rude to tell someone new not to play again.
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Why's he scum, then, because every post you have made is based on indicating personal distaste for his posting rather than mentioning any reason you think he could actually be mafiaIn post 145, fua wrote:
Both!In post 142, Jacket wrote:
So are you voting him because he's disrespectful or because you think he's mafia?In post 134, fua wrote:
His content is disturbing and disrespectful towards basically everyone here who's actually trying to play the game. I wouldn't say it if he was intentionally going out of his way to break the rules.In post 130, House wrote:
Anyone, for that matterIn post 128, Jacket wrote:Also, frankly rude to tell someone new not to play again.
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I think you're full of shit.In post 343, cool cookie wrote:
i saw the chain of events as:In post 332, T3 wrote:
Do you really think scum jacket would care that much about being right though?In post 325, cool cookie wrote:
disagree. just hedging bets.In post 320, T3 wrote:
>rand town post btwIn post 299, Jacket wrote:And I'm not saying it being a lie means anything about cool cookie's alignment.
Jacket makes quite bold statement in context of statement
In 320, Jacket begins to walk it back
In next post, when challenged to explain original statement, refuses to even acknowledge it- Jacket
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The thing is that complex vig is mostly downside. It an only produce an extra kill if it's targeting a PR. Otherwise they just act like there's no kill because they targeted a VT. And if we're to believe the claim about the bulletproof traitor then that' one mafia member that can't be killed. We don't even know if the other mafia are PRs.In post 363, House wrote:I kinda want to give them a night to see if there are 2 kills.
If they're town, scum probably does the job for us.
They get nowhere near Elo with that claim.
The claim also feels very convenient in that it "fits" with cookie's claim. That feels very convenient.
Not that I'm saying we should just end the day. But I don't think it's some role that's so valuable the mafia will be forced to kill it if it's real.- Jacket
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I think making assumptions about setup composition based on what you think is balanced is a very bad idea.In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario, so a failed kill should be considered a clear.- Jacket
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Am I scummy because I think your reaction is bad?In post 384, redtea wrote:actually I think you both are saying the same thing
I'm not actually back but I'm checking in, which has apparently been a mistake because I'm all over the place
well thats just cause you're scummyIn post 362, Jacket wrote:I think redtea's reaction to being wagoned is bad.
is that a take ive posted yet?- Jacket
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You were concerned about someone being an ELO liability on day 1?In post 487, Three wrote:
I voted Osetr because I didn't like them and because they would be a liability in ELo.In post 481, Save The Dragons wrote:do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee
Dwlee so far is not that but also not much else either.- Jacket
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Okay. I buy it.In post 532, redtea wrote:I'm not, but I also don't think I'm seasoned enough to think of a fakeclaim like that without help from a partner.- Jacket
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Seems more like you're trying to force a point of an entirely neutral statement being scummy.In post 667, T3 wrote:
i-......In post 599, fua wrote:Although if you’re going to actually vote me out, you should at least let me claim before the hammer.
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I don't feel like explaining, yeah.In post 581, HawaiianPizza wrote:need jacket to explain why he townread osetr/me tbh
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You said you legitimately thought Osetr was scum though.In post 597, fua wrote:I kind of want to let Dwlee prove himself? Osetr’s posts aren’t alignment indicative in hindsight because 90% of his posts were just trolling.- Jacket
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Yeah.In post 697, Save The Dragons wrote:
You sure don't say a lot of thingsIn post 695, Jacket wrote:
I don't feel like explaining, yeah.In post 581, HawaiianPizza wrote:need jacket to explain why he townread osetr/me tbh
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That doesn't make sense.In post 698, fua wrote:
I don’t think that anymore after context of him being banned from another site and a cursory reread.In post 696, Jacket wrote:
You said you legitimately thought Osetr was scum though.In post 597, fua wrote:I kind of want to let Dwlee prove himself? Osetr’s posts aren’t alignment indicative in hindsight because 90% of his posts were just trolling.- Jacket
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You think T3 is legitimately trying to solve? Because it looks to me like he's just spewing a lot of nonsense. The post I quoted of his was a huge reach and looked like scum trying to bury a townie.In post 735, House wrote:
I think you should OMGUS.In post 734, T3 wrote:who in my poe do i vote next
VOTE: Jacket
His ISO is a nothing-burger, and I don't like his push on one of our only players who are actually up in here trying to solve.
And if you think my posting is a "nothing-burger", you're not paying attention. Just because I'm not incessantly spamming doesn't mean I have nothing to say.- Jacket
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Do you think I would deliberately antagonize the claimed vig as a scum PR?In post 787, Almost50 wrote:As a matter of fact..
VOTE: Jacket
My money is on this flipping a Scum PR (theScum PR??)- Jacket
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I thought at the time it felt like a bluff, but one that could have come from town trying to pull some fancy shit.In post 770, Almost50 wrote:
Are crumbing "Scum that know there's no traitor" or am I missing something?? cookie claimed specific info (i.e. didn't stop at "I'm Informed") so what makes you think it's "very likely a lie"?In post 294, Jacket wrote:The claim is very likely a lie.
P.S. If it's already answered later, I'll find it.- Jacket
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This is the thing you decide to jump in and comment on?In post 805, GeorgeBailey wrote:
Very possible since there's multi tasking.In post 801, fua wrote:What if it’s just 2 PRs and the traitor? No goons abound.- Jacket
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Almost50 claiming here would be funny if he was BP neighbor traitor. But he seems town enough, so probably not.
This was my thought at the time as well, before I got distracted because I thought redtea was acting scummy. It'd be an easy vote to follow. Didn't help that they were the same people who were piling on Osetr. I think Osetr was an easy target for scum because of his trolling, that allows them to hind behind voting out of policy rather than actually having any reason for thinking he was scum. That was what I was being so hard on fua about.In post 777, TheZenMan wrote:TBH, I am very suspicous about the redtea lynching wagon happening so fast and quick. Definetly wasn't a pure wagon and probably some scum bandwagoning there. If redtea really is vig then there are ways to confirm that (2 nks maybe). The only ones I'm seeing that could benefit of redtea dying at this point is probably scum.- Jacket
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Nothing to do with anyone's playstyle. Think about what makes sense in this situation. If redtea's claim is true, I'd expect the mafia PR to be trying to get on their good side so as to not get shot by them.In post 889, Almost50 wrote:
I don't know you, so I can't predict your play style.In post 795, Jacket wrote:Do you think I would deliberately antagonize the claimed vig as a scum PR?- Jacket
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House
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Don't really want to vote anyone outside the bottom group, TBH. I mostly think the attention on cool cookie is people trying to find a super smart theory of who's scum rather than looking at the people who aren't being town.- Jacket
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In post 966, fua wrote:T3 is almost certainly clear. Why do you group redtea with cookie?
What, because you assume they're in a neighborhood together and Almost50 trusts T3? That's absolutely not clearing.In post 967, fua wrote:If you think A50 is town then T3 should be town too.- Jacket
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Haha.
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I liked him early. Seemed to have a mind for actually figuring stuff out when most people weren't doing much. He's faded since then, can't tell if scum that ran out of gas or just bored with the site.In post 1049, GeorgeBailey wrote:
T3 and Hawaiian. I don't understand why so many people are townreading Hawaiian and it feels like I'm missing something here.In post 1047, fua wrote:Such as…?- Jacket
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No, it's not.In post 1053, fua wrote:
Yes it is.In post 1051, Jacket wrote:In post 966, fua wrote:T3 is almost certainly clear. Why do you group redtea with cookie?
What, because you assume they're in a neighborhood together and Almost50 trusts T3? That's absolutely not clearing.In post 967, fua wrote:If you think A50 is town then T3 should be town too.- Jacket
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In post 1006, Three wrote:I don't think Dwlee is scum.
Seems like you were were implying it by suggesting their scumread on you didn't seem "real".In post 945, Three wrote:I'm struggling to believe Dwlee's scum read on me is real at this point. They think it's scummy that I town read them despite getting scum read by them, but if OMGUS scum read them back I'm certain that I wouldn't get town read for that. I don't get why you're so set on miseliminating me since it seems like you are going to scum read me no matter what I say or do.- Jacket
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In post 1139, House wrote:
I scumread Jacket.In post 1138, redtea wrote:I pretty heavy tr jacket rn but I'd like to hear about that
This post reads to me like a bussed player that's not particularly happy with his buddy, sarcastically laughing at the vote.
You know, the only reason I had any hesitation on T3 at all was because I thought you might be masons with him, seeing how aggressively you attacked me for calling him scum, made it seem like you had a super strong townread you never actually verbalized. But I guess that's off the table now.In post 1140, House wrote:Which is weird, because I didn't like his push on T3 in the first place, lol
How do you want me to respond to that vote from T3? He had jack shit for a case, no one listens to him because his posts are white noise, and I don't care what he thinks. I probably gave him more of a response than was warranted.- Jacket
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I think people are too intimidated by three's emotional appeals. I don't think it overrides the body of work. But maybe I just don't get his style. It happens.
I think deadline flashwagons are bad. At this point I'll move for the sake of consolidating.
I actually thought fua was getting more towny. If that's where people want to go, fine, but I'm not moving right now.- Jacket
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Kind of don't have the time for it.In post 1254, redtea wrote:Mass claim time tho fr- Jacket
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I doubt that we have 5 claimed PRs (I'm counting informed townie) on day 1 and all of them are town. That'd have to be every role in the setup and I don't think we hit that randomly.
I understand if people don't want to vote a claimed PR, though - some of these things should resolve mechanically from nightkills. I don't think we should out more roles, though.- Jacket
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Not eliminating is wasting a chance to kill scum, unless you're confident you can take a shot or something. Otherwise we end up in the exact same place tomorrow minus one person.In post 1268, redtea wrote:
i'd count a neighbor as like, 1/2 a power role personally but I don't know if that's how games tend to be balanced at allIn post 1261, Jacket wrote:I doubt that we have 5 claimed PRs (I'm counting informed townie) on day 1 and all of them are town. That'd have to be every role in the setup and I don't think we hit that randomly.
I understand if people don't want to vote a claimed PR, though - some of these things should resolve mechanically from nightkills. I don't think we should out more roles, though.
why not mass claim tomorrow though? Knowing claims will help make sense of visible night actions/night flips.
why should weIn post 1262, Jacket wrote:Who says we're not eliminating?
Even if you think we're making a likely mis-lim, if there is a chance someone could be scum it's better to vote them if they aren't going to be cleared in future days. We only get a limited number of chances to kill scum in the game. Passing up even one is bad.
I think in general people are too obsessed with the idea of perfection and never getting it wrong, ever, that it leads to states like the one we have now where everyone's scared of wagoning someone. It's okay to be wrong on Day 1 if it removes someone who was a suspect. That's part of the game. Even an incorrect elimination lets you analyze how people approached and handled that player.- Jacket
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Sure. Who do you want to vote today?In post 1273, House wrote:Get off T3. He's nk bait.
Protective should be on him.
If there's no nk, he's town and scum was stopped.
If there's a different nk, his alignment may be in doubt, but hopefully we'll gain results.
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