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The guy that controls all of crypto, and always makes it dump for meIn post 167, House wrote:
Who is bogdan?In post 166, T3 wrote:
You voted Bogdan.In post 161, House wrote:
Guess it's scummy to spam a pagetop out of boredom during rvs when nobody else is around.In post 159, T3 wrote:Serious vote?
also ahhhhhh it's 4:11 am and i have a physics exam today
what am i doing
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Been away for a while and skimmed the thread. Gut feeling for me is that Cool's insistence on still lynching someone like redtea after the claim is flimsy to me at best. Read the claim and redtea was basically forced to claim, and seems weird to claim complex vig then. Also find it weird that cool is insistent that because redtea is complex vig he can't be of use. Why are you so sure of that?-
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TBH, I am very suspicous about the redtea lynching wagon happening so fast and quick. Definetly wasn't a pure wagon and probably some scum bandwagoning there. If redtea really is vig then there are ways to confirm that (2 nks maybe). The only ones I'm seeing that could benefit of redtea dying at this point is probably scum.-
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Does any scum ever try to look scummy? You kind of just look for the ones that do the most scum things and hope for the best. Besides, if it was one of their own being a lynch target I could see them trying to save him and in the process acting scummy.In post 764, Three wrote:In case it isn't clear, I don't think scum actively try to do scummy things Day 1. This is the only Day where you can feasibly get somebody voted out for looking at you weird, so why the hell would scum blatantly try to look scummy right now?-
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Agree with this, to me it makes it seem like it was a fake fight just to not make town think they have any connection. Have seen scum do this before.In post 726, Save The Dragons wrote:Peace treaties and truces in mafia games are weird-
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Lol, at this point you should have voted me since I had said nothing for days. A50 just got subbed in basically.
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Exactly this, it's a bad way to scumhunt by only talking mech. You can just argue facts back and forth but have no idea about alignment. As scum I would love to talk about mechanics though, it makes you seem really active and engaged with a really low chance of exsposing yourself.In post 683, Save The Dragons wrote:Mech talk bores me because scum and town can do it equally well so it's harder to get a read on it-
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I meant in the last 30 min before d2 begins, where night actions can't be changed by anyone. If he does that we can know who he shot and who scum shot. Basically a way for us to confirm he is a vig.In post 823, fua wrote:
You mean on D2? This is post is confusing.In post 819, TheZenMan wrote:Imo, readtea should shootsomeone n1 then tell us who he shot after deadline for n1 actions has passed. That way we can confirm his claim and also get rid of a potential scum.-
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Oh... Did not know this, usually play with Nighttalk allowed.In post 828, fua wrote:
You can’t talk at night.In post 827, TheZenMan wrote:
I meant in the last 30 min before d2 begins, where night actions can't be changed by anyone. If he does that we can know who he shot and who scum shot. Basically a way for us to confirm he is a vig.In post 823, fua wrote:
You mean on D2? This is post is confusing.In post 819, TheZenMan wrote:Imo, readtea should shootsomeone n1 then tell us who he shot after deadline for n1 actions has passed. That way we can confirm his claim and also get rid of a potential scum.-
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What do you mean "genuine"? As in good? Had trouble understanding what you meant here.In post 843, T3 wrote:
My reads are always genuine, even if I'm scum. You can look at my past games to see.In post 743, Jacket wrote:
You think T3 is legitimately trying to solve? Because it looks to me like he's just spewing a lot of nonsense. The post I quoted of his was a huge reach and looked like scum trying to bury a townie.In post 735, House wrote:
I think you should OMGUS.In post 734, T3 wrote:who in my poe do i vote next
VOTE: Jacket
His ISO is a nothing-burger, and I don't like his push on one of our only players who are actually up in here trying to solve.
And if you think my posting is a "nothing-burger", you're not paying attention. Just because I'm not incessantly spamming doesn't mean I have nothing to say.
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Like A50 said, takes time to read through the thread.In post 863, Dwlee99 wrote:
Oh he was jacketIn post 859, fua wrote:Oh, so I just misunderstood, then. I thought you were referring to Three when you said ‘if he is scum’.
It wasn't an awful reason. A50 must have confirmed to be announced which I thought meant he should be around.In post 861, T3 wrote:UNVOTE: dwlee
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I voted you because bad reasons
I unvoted you because you voted someone else
And like I said before, you should have voted for me since I was someone that had atleast commented in thread before, then basically vanished. That would have been a kind of easy push, but still a legitimate one. Going after A50 seemed like you just picked someone without any comment as an easy/safe elim target to push, but without much reprucussions.-
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Not saying it could have led to an elim, I'm saying it's a very easy push to give yourself some towncred. And imo it was also the wrong push, since I was a better target for it.In post 866, Dwlee99 wrote:Do you think my vote on a50 there could have led even close to an elimination unless he lurked out for the next 3 days?-
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Yeah, we used to have the thread open during the night, and a lot of PR would use this to claim just before the deadline. This would prevent mafia from targeting them for that night, and also gave us some good info.In post 894, Almost50 wrote:
Tell us how? Did you have thread open during the night wherever you played before?In post 819, TheZenMan wrote:Imo, readtea should shootsomeone n1 then tell us who he shot after deadline for n1 actions has passed. That way we can confirm his claim and also get rid of a potential scum.-
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Yep, all their services seems down. Insta, Whatsapp and messenger not working either.In post 896, Almost50 wrote:Btw, is anyone else failing to connect to FACEBOOK? I even used a test site and couldn't complete the query-
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Dwele, feels like most of your argument of Three being scum is that he townread you? Assuming that new people scumread you naturally is a bad take and way to general to apply to everyone. Some people can think that playstyle is town indicative. Feels at this point you are just tunneling three because you are afraid to move off him or for the sake of having someone to push.-
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I would say my 3 big scumreads right now are Cool, George and Dwele in that order. Just went through George's ISO and he has nothing of substance at all. I couldn't even find him scum or town reading anyone. He comes in with the most useless comments when he could just as easily just give us some of his thoughts about who he thinks is scum. For example:
He comes back after 2 days immedietly after being called out as scum and lumped in with other inactive players (myself included). Could be a coincidence that he chooses to come in right after being called out but it's still a bad look. Plus he is outraged about being called out when it was very reasonable given his inactivity. Yet he still dosen't give us anything, his only contribution is saying "good question" then being gone for hours again. When he comes back he posts this:In post 739, GeorgeBailey wrote:why the fuck am i being lumped in with zen and wake/a50.
This was rightly called out by Jacket, since he chooses to comment on this when there is so much else better he could have taken a stance on. No scumreading, just a useless comment that dosen't say much to us. No mentioning about the stuff going down with redtea and cool at all.In post 805, GeorgeBailey wrote:
Very possible since there's multi tasking.In post 801, fua wrote:What if it’s just 2 PRs and the traitor? No goons abound.
Then he goes on to write this:
Where he promises to give more in depth stuff after work. Obviously he never did that so we still have zero clue on who George thinks is scum or his read on anyone really. Now, I can understand IRL stuff happening and getting in the way. But the thing with George is, even when he is here he gives us nothing at all about who he thinks is scum. Instead he gives us short comments or fluff stuffs that dosen't really take a stance on anything and basically seems to be comments for the sake of comments. All in all he seems very scummy to me.In post 811, GeorgeBailey wrote:
I was MIA during the weekend and I'm posting on break. Idk. Just trying to get a grip on the game right now. I'm gonna post more in depth stuff after work.In post 809, Jacket wrote:
This is the thing you decide to jump in and comment on?In post 805, GeorgeBailey wrote:
Very possible since there's multi tasking.In post 801, fua wrote:What if it’s just 2 PRs and the traitor? No goons abound.-
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So just one scumread and the other are all null/town? No one sees anything suspicious about this? The guy he goes for is also someone already scumreading him, so he loses nothing by putting me at the bottom there. I feel George is trying to stay on as many peoples good sides as possible.In post 1058, GeorgeBailey wrote:Alright I give up on Hawaiian.
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-RedTea. While I agree with Jacket 370 that RedTea's claimed felt very convenient, I think it's best to give it one night to see what happens. I also think RedTea acted pretty good under pressure
-Cookie being leading wagon is pretty interesting. Informed holding off info isn't really that scummy if it's info on another PR or something that could harm town. So I don't scumread cookie. Nothing faer have posted seems townie though. If Cookie flips green, scum is 100% on this wagon.
- Jacket and Fua gave me early townread vibes. I find myself agreeing to a lot of Jacket's reads. Still trying to find a way to make a "literally me" joke. Fua from their interactions with DwLee.
- Dwlee gave me lax town vibes early. Although the activity reads against a50 that are reachy which is why they're my weakest townread. And offering the hammer to other people for RedTea felt kinda scummy too.
- Almost50's catch up posts were pretty good. Although I really don't see the Jacket scumread. The defense against Dwlee in 929 was towny. His claim also feels the most believable, as I think it's riskier for scum to claim after 2 claims already.
-T3 has sooo much content and stuff feels towny but I don't feel comfortable townleaning him.. 417 Gives me townie vibes but the push on Jacket makes no sense to me.
- House is an epic top town read. Idk if he's in my pocket, or he just reads naturally townie. But I haven't been pinged by any of his posts.
- STD is Null. A lot of naked votes with not a lot of elaboration.
-Zen's recent shade on me feels like a misrep. Like, I was mad at being lumped in with both of you cause you/a50 had 2 and 0 posts. I also said I was scumreading three and townreading Jacket early on.
- I don't understand the townread on Hawaiian.
- Three: at the time I voted three he had three posts. Which was pretty cool. I was secretly hoping it was a gimmick account that made 3 posts a day or something. I initially scumread him because of the lack of anything +, bringing redtea to e-2. But I think his defense has been pretty solid recently, and my vote on him has very much overstayed it's welcome.
VOTE: Zenman
If Zen flips scum then the other scum was on the redtea wagon. I feel like scum would hop on a potential mis-elim wagon with their scum partner MIA for the first day or so.
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Okay, because?In post 1083, Dwlee99 wrote:I could go zenman maybe-
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I think you are getting a bit too emotionally invested in the game. Remember it's just a game at the end of the day.In post 1088, Three wrote:
Yeah yeah AtE whatever, getting annoyed at getting eliminated Day 1 when you effort is NAI either way. I genuinely thought I was closer than E-3 though since last I checked I had three votes and I thought I saw three more come my way.In post 1082, cool cookie wrote:
alas that's often the way in mafia - the games where you put most effort in are the ones you get limmed early. that said, maybe a slightly premature claim at like 4 votes with emotional appeal to boot.In post 1081, Three wrote:I don't know what that puts me at, but I assume we're wagoning me despite there being no legitimate case at this point. Real fun wasting my week on this game just to get miseliminated but whatever.
I'm VT.
I would offer to just get shot by redtea to prove I'm VT, but I understand it could just mean I'm the BP Traitor, and even though I think redtea is telling the truth I understand that not everyone believes them either.
I looked for a bit but still didn't see a case made on you. Your reaction however for me reads as town.-
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George one argument for me is that he didn't like my push on him. Feels more like a reaction to me accusing him rather than actual scumhunting.
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Did people read the post I made below about George? Feels like people are sleeping on how scummy he really has been this whole game.
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Yeah, I get it. And I agree it's not really good to throw out OMGUS, it's just reactionary. Remember, scum could always influence the wagons and try to get you elimmed.In post 1093, Three wrote:I wouldn't say I'm emotionally invested, I'm just annoyed that I think I've defended myself well but it seems to keep getting ignored. A lot of naked votes keep coming my way, so I'm not exactly sure what I can do here, because if I argue against those naked votes it's just going to look like shade/OMGUS even though they're pretty objectively bad votes.-
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That's just a blatant lie, I gave my impression from you right at the start. Jumping on you had nothing with you being the most votes. Am I not supposed to go after you because you have too many votes? Obv you don't wanna get elimmed but come on, you can't gatekeep me from voting you. Also you said yourself you were salty and clearly that was a big factor for you in going after me.In post 1097, cool cookie wrote:
no there were several people voting for me. i'm voting you because you joined a wagon on me literally because it was the biggest wagon but didn't give any other reason. i did already say that of course, so you didn't look too hard apparently.In post 1086, TheZenMan wrote:Feels like both George and Cool are going after me for the simple reason that I went after them. That's not really a good reason in my mind, and I can't really find either of them making a good case on me.-
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You went from reading me as town to reading me as scum way too fast IMO. Also have to say that the neighbour prodding against A50 was also shady, felt like both you and Dwele were trying to find out who the other guy was even when it was clear that A50 didn't want to come forward with that.In post 1194, fua wrote:We have 24 hours until the deadline.
I think Zenman’s reaction to the suspicion placed upon him is really shady on top of trying to pin the blame on an easy target like George (who is a mostly passive and easy ‘lim’ anyways). I feel like if he flips scum then that’ll be telling regarding the alignments of multiple people— specifically George, Three, and Cookie.
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It's not even confirmed that they are neighbours.In post 1180, Three wrote:I don't really understand Fua's town read on T3 but I'm assuming it's meta that I don't know about. Being Neighbors with A50 doesn't even mean either are conftown unless there were Night 0 Loyal Neighborizer shenanigans, which I seriously doubt happened.-
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Yeah I made a case on him around 2 days ago about his scummy behaviour.In post 1309, House wrote:Is there a case on him?
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TBH, I think it was a bad choice to shoot three by redtea. And announcing it beforehand was even worse. I also missed that redtea had wanted to shoot him, thought he would keep it to himself and tell us D2.
Now, we waste 2 shots of a vig just to confirm that three isn't a BP or a PR, but still don't know if he's scum or town. From a town-perspective, I'd rather he shot one of the ones that hadn't claimed that he was suspicous off. That would be a lot more useful for town.-
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It's also significant that scum didn't shoot T3. If A50 hadn't claimed Neighbourhood right off the bat I would understand why scum would think they could let T3 live one night. It might even benefit them, since if T3 finds a private chat they could just claim to be a neighbourhood and kill T3 N2 before he could confirm that with his even days neighbour finder power. But with the A50 claim there is a much higher chance that if he finds a private chat(outside of me and A50) in N1 they will be scum. So I would think he would have been priority target for killing N1.-
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Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.-
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But dosen't cookie also hold the information from us now? He apparently knows or atlest knows more than us about what T3 found N1.In post 1500, House wrote:
If cookie is a mailman that sent T3 info on how to crumb to him, that doesn't make cookie scum...In post 1497, TheZenMan wrote:Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.
No ACTUAL investigative refuses to give results unless you kill someone not related TO those results first.
I'm always voting T3 over cookie, here.
The thing about no actual investigative refusing to give results, I agree with you. But it's just so blatantly scummy to me that it's almost too much. I also would think that if T3 was scum he could just make up a bullshit check for N1. If his objective is to confuse town however he has succeded but also produced a big target on himself.-
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Yeah, I said this before too that it was weird that T3 survived N1. Make no mistake he is very scummy to me right now and I could go for D2 elim of him.In post 1501, House wrote:T3 claimed under duress a role that should have had him catching a bullet.
He not only lived through the night, he refuses to out results.
My guess is, he doesn't want to wind up getting it wrong and having his "results" countered.
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Sorry still not used to all abbreviations. What's fae and faer?In post 1505, Almost50 wrote:
NO. A T3 red flip confirms Cookie as TOWN. T3 has just called faer that. cookie is also the one who said fae can't confirm T3's alignment.In post 1497, TheZenMan wrote:Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.-
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Yeah probably, but I meant more that since the neighbourhood is outed already it is easy for T3 to make a fake check. Unless you think there is a second neighbourhood?In post 1508, House wrote:And by hard, I mean impossible.-
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Ahh, I forgot that mailman also comes up as can communicate for traffic analyst. Yeah I see what you mean then.In post 1514, House wrote:
I highly doubt there is, which is why a positive result outside of the claimed hood would be damning.In post 1513, TheZenMan wrote:
Yeah probably, but I meant more that since the neighbourhood is outed already it is easy for T3 to make a fake check. Unless you think there is a second neighbourhood?In post 1508, House wrote:And by hard, I mean impossible.
When that "positive result" flipped green, T3 would die the next day.
If that "negative result" claimed a way to communicate, T3 would die the same day.
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Why would you keep this a secret? And what is the connection to cookie? Did he ask you to crumb your result to him? If so, show us where you did that.In post 1522, T3 wrote:
I TARGETED JACKET AND GOT NO RESULTIn post 1495, Almost50 wrote:It IS TMI. T3 had just slipped real hard. Let's review the facts:
TRAITOR IS ENDGAMED IF THE MAIN TEAM IS ELIMINATED
2 players are outed as Neighbors
1 is now also outed as Mailman
A "can communicate" result is an outright guilty. WHy not claim it?
A "can't communicate" is enough evidence the target is not MAIN SCUM, so why keep it undercover?
T3 is PLAYING FOR TIME. H;s TAKING SU ALL FOR A RIDE. And if you add this to how long it took him to claim yesterday you get: T3 is OUTED SCUM.-
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Aside from that, what do you think of the rest of my solve? Why did you volunteer to be shot instead of STD? Why prefer a second shot on three? (Which coincidentally is what zen suggested in the hood too, after having had been alright with a shot on STD)[/quoteIn post 1561, Almost50 wrote:In post 1555, House wrote:
You really should.In post 1553, Almost50 wrote:@House: If I'm wrong I ESPECIALLY apologize to you. I know I'm being "unfriendly" to you with this accusation, and I should probably stop trying to read you in furture games.
Wait what? I never said I was okay with a second shot on three, I said the complete opposite.
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Wow you just dropped a bomb casually out of nowhere. Np mate it's all a game in the end so no need to say sorry.In post 1553, Almost50 wrote:I don't think it's worth requesting a PT of my own, so I'll just vent it all out here:
Me thinks House is a Goon. Me thinks he thinks I'm their Traitor. STD is actually a Scum PR, and T3 is what he says he is, but is Scum aligned. Zen is the BP Traitor.
T3's role was designed for Scum to identify their Traitor in at least 2 steps, and the Mailman is their "Miller" (gives them a false +ve)
If I', wrong I'm wrong. If I'm right though... call me a monkey.
@House: If I'm wrong I ESPECIALLY apologize to you. I know I'm being "unfriendly" to you with this accusation, and I should probably stop trying to read you in furture games.
@Zen: I really did TR you hard before. I just had a different perspective to look at things the way T3 has claimed his role yesterday, and then his result today. I know you have voiced your suspicion of him in the PT, so -by play- you should still be a TR, but the mechanical solution necessitates that you are the Traitor. Also SORRY if I'm wrong
@STD: Your "I don't want to lim T3" was the final nail. I already started thinking of the situation when House volunteered to be shot instead of you, and again when he asserted redtea should shoot three again. It looked like a blatant attempt to deter the shot off you (and confirmed the team doesn't have a RB), but if you had voted T3 I probably would have thought it was too crazy to be true.
@T3: I don't know what to say, but your scum play is so much different than your Town play. Also..
OK.. watch me be disgraced by having only 0-1 Scum in my proposed solve. If that's the case.. it's just a game.. and I'm still a crazy old monkey.
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Okay, so here is why I suspected A50 was the traitor. Now, first of all I just like to say that I was never VT like I claimed but actually BP VT neighbour. I claimed VT in hopes of drawing a night kill to me. A50 at that point agreed this was a good strat in the PT. But here is the comment he made that made me think he was the traitor:
Notice the breadcrumb he left about he should have claimed BP. That was a very unnecessary sentence to make, and to me seemed like he was signalling his teammates that I was actually a BP.In post 1503, Almost50 wrote:Here's what I suspect is going on: Regardless of cookie's alignment, T3 claims to have checked Dwlee (I assume whoever he responds to first is the target). He sleeps on it and checks Dwlee on N2 and comes back with a GUILTY on D3 (Dwlee can communicate but is not a neighbor). By the time we realize we have been fooled we're already in E-Lo it's GAME OVER with 3 mis-eliminatiosn and 2 Nks (assuming a 9 v 4 distribution). Meamwhile, Redtea is preoccupied and the Scum PRs are safe for the 2 nights it takes them to achieve this.
If this is true, three is more likely truly claiming VANILLA, because if he is a Traitor his death prevents the Scum win on D3 (although they can still achieve it on N3). Whether he's VT or a Goon though is up in the air (but I would slightly lean Goon since he wanted to draw the Vig to himself)
In hindsight I should not have claimed my BP. That would have been risky because of the Complex Vig thing, but it would have been beneficial to draw the NK and take Scum by surprise.
Based on the above, I don't think Scum would ALSO have a RB. We don't have that much strength in our roles as Town collectively. So..
IF T3 IS NOT ELIMINATED TODAY I BEG FOR readtea TO SHOOT HIM TONIGHT
And now coupled with the fact that he outright lied that I said redtea should shoot three again, when I in fact said the complete opposite. There is no way to interpret these actions as anything else but the traitor. Therefore I vote him.
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This is the part that actually made me trust A50 the most in the beginning. He had the same role as me, and disclosed his before I did. That's what made me trust him because I figured we have the exact same role. But I gues BP traitor neighbour would claim to be a BP neighbour. I also found it weird that A50 went straight to claiming BP instead of trying to bait a shot with claiming Vanlilla. Then later he regrets it...In post 1577, House wrote:
You don't see the problem with TWO players claiming identical roles AS TOWN?In post 1576, Almost50 wrote:
Well.. I could lowkey see your point, with both BP neighbors designed to be -ve utilities for both sides. Scum get failed NKs and Town gets falls +ve (Via COMPLEX VIG though, NOT the TA/Neighbor Finder)In post 1567, Jacket wrote:
This is actually close to what I was thinking. Except it makes more sense for cool cookie to be the traitor, since mailman returns a positive to a traffic analyst but a negative to a neighbor finder.In post 1553, Almost50 wrote:T3's role was designed for Scum to identify their Traitor in at least 2 steps, and the Mailman is their "Miller" (gives them a false +ve)
That... completely flies over your head?
No. Just fucking no.
If you were town, you'd be screaming CC at Zen all day long.-
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True, you claimed only BP and then said in the alley that you were also 1-shot BP after I said it first. I can accept you misunderstanding me about T3 shot, but why leave that strange breadcrumb for me actually being BP?In post 1583, Almost50 wrote:
As a designer, I find it absolutely plausible.In post 1577, House wrote:You don't see the problem with TWO players claiming identical roles AS TOWN?
The thing is I only claimed BP (not 1-shot BP), and zen immediately claimed ONE-SHOT in the hood. I thought he wouldn't have if he was Scum, and even if he was the Traitor (hypothetically I was considering it, but in practice I really thought h was Town) I thought keeping him alive and talking to me in the hood was best because he probably can give me some pointers as to who the scums are.-
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I actually thought it was more likely we were both town because we had the same role. Like some strange mind games the designers were playing. I am not that familiar with setups here to know how plausible it was.In post 1586, House wrote:
Can you link to a (completed) game that has 2 of the same roles where both are town-aligned that gives you that belief?In post 1585, TheZenMan wrote:
This is the part that actually made me trust A50 the most in the beginning. He had the same role as me, and disclosed his before I did. That's what made me trust him because I figured we have the exact same role. But I gues BP traitor neighbour would claim to be a BP neighbour. I also found it weird that A50 went straight to claiming BP instead of trying to bait a shot with claiming Vanlilla. Then later he regrets it...In post 1577, House wrote:
You don't see the problem with TWO players claiming identical roles AS TOWN?In post 1576, Almost50 wrote:
Well.. I could lowkey see your point, with both BP neighbors designed to be -ve utilities for both sides. Scum get failed NKs and Town gets falls +ve (Via COMPLEX VIG though, NOT the TA/Neighbor Finder)In post 1567, Jacket wrote:
This is actually close to what I was thinking. Except it makes more sense for cool cookie to be the traitor, since mailman returns a positive to a traffic analyst but a negative to a neighbor finder.In post 1553, Almost50 wrote:T3's role was designed for Scum to identify their Traitor in at least 2 steps, and the Mailman is their "Miller" (gives them a false +ve)
That... completely flies over your head?
No. Just fucking no.
If you were town, you'd be screaming CC at Zen all day long.
Last I knew, that doesn't happen BECAUSE it leads to town cc'ing town.-
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Ah true, I guess you are guilty of only leaving a breadcrumb for scum to find out I'm actually BP. That is the main reason I think you are a traitor anyway.In post 1596, Almost50 wrote:
Isn't calling you a Traitor already saying you're BP; given the "info" cookie gave us on D1?In post 1592, TheZenMan wrote:Just wanna say that me voting for A50 is not a reactionary OMGUS to him saying I'm traitor. If not for that breadcrumb about me being BP he left and then outing me I would instead sit here trying to convince A50 he is wrong.-
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Is claiming BP in public right off the bat a plus? I'd say it's rather a negative since better to try and tank a shot. You just went straight into claiming, didn't even try to feel me out in the hood before doing that.In post 1621, Almost50 wrote:
Let's take a look back:In post 1618, House wrote:Considering that revelation never came to you...
1- Who outed the hood? I did.
2- Who claimed his BP in public? I did
3- Who accused the other of being the Traitor (after more info was available)? I DID
So.. if you're going to claim the Traitor is in the hood was the one and only conclusion I should've had right off the gate, you're still voting the wrong person.
But considering you're SCUM in my solve, I don't find you voting me strange at all. At least once I flip the Town will reconsider and "maybe" someone will decide to tackle the idea that I am correct, and IF your theory of an investigative is in the unclaimed slots is true then all the better.
The thing i find most odd about you is not only are you voting me, but you also claim to believe there might be some yet another unclaimed PR in addition to a Complex Vig (effectively half-Investigative) and a TA/Neighbor Finder (an Investigative).
So, tell me: is it a 3rd investigative you suspect there might exist, or a protective (that has no function because the VTs/Goons are immune to the Vig and we have 2 BP claims)?
Right now you are scumreading me solely because of mechanics. Plus you still haven't answered why you put out a breadcrumb for scum to know I was not vanilla but actually BP. You did this when you knew that I was trying to bait a shot as BP.-
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I thought it actually made sense we both had the same role in the neighbourhood. It was just too big of a coincidence too. He started off saying he was BP, I then said I was 1-shot BP and he said he was actually also a 1-shot BP. So I believed him because I had a strong townread on him and because I actually thought of our roles being the same as a big town indicator.In post 1626, HawaiianPizza wrote:i don't know what's happening in the neighbourhood, but as i'm rereading, A50 claimed the BP and zen did nothing about it? shrug
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