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VOTE: OsetrIn post 45, Jacket wrote:In post 42, Osetr wrote:quirkiness is towny for an average by-the-book player but for someone like me if im forcing a joke too hard it means im scum, very simple-
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Yikes.In post 191, Osetr wrote:
no it depends on the host, some dont care some go liberal mode and disallow itIn post 190, T3 wrote:
MU stopped using l-word (i think) so yeah, this makes sense.In post 134, fua wrote:
His content is disturbing and disrespectful towards basically everyone here who's actually trying to play the game. I wouldn't say it if he was intentionally going out of his way to break the rules.In post 130, House wrote:
Anyone, for that matterIn post 128, Jacket wrote:Also, frankly rude to tell someone new not to play again.
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Ok. Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop. The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario, so a failed kill should be considered a clear. Redtea can also verify VT claims if any get run up to E-1.
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That's a fair point. It's a weird fake claim though if so.Dwlee99 wrote:If this is a fake claim it'd be super easy to just say that they must have shot a VT. Especially if scum have a role cop or something like that. Or just guess that someone is a VT and then a PR has to be outed for us to lim redtea. We can give it a night but I don't wholesale believe it
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CoolIn post 371, Jacket wrote:
I think making assumptions about setup composition based on what you think is balanced is a very bad idea.In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario, so a failed kill should be considered a clear.-
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I'm a little confused here.In post 376, House wrote: A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.-
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In post 386, House wrote:That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
Or...explain your point.In post 385, House wrote:
Quote the whole post.In post 377, Three wrote:
I'm a little confused here.In post 376, House wrote: A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.
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This is where I'm at.In post 386, House wrote:That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?-
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Especially if redtea can apparently gets false innocent results on Goons?In post 388, Three wrote:
This is where I'm at.In post 386, House wrote:That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?-
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Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.In post 392, House wrote:
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.-
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This was exactly my reasoning a few posts ago.In post 393, redtea wrote:
jeez rude, I'm still a member of town and that has value.In post 388, Three wrote:
This is where I'm at.In post 386, House wrote:That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.In post 386, House wrote:That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
Queer townbloc sounds good to me.redtea wrote:i'll post my queer flag collection asdkjfnladsknf would that clear me-
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Please take a second to breathe. This is the first time you mentioned utility, you specifically said PR before this. I don't really care about winning a semantics argument, especially since we're apparently on the same page anyway. So maybe drop this pointless back and forth.In post 400, House wrote:
I'm arguing UTILITY.In post 398, Three wrote:
Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.In post 392, House wrote:
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
Staying to think you're not really misunderstanding me.
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Why are you so tilted?In post 401, House wrote:
I did.In post 399, redtea wrote:I think three made the point that my role is borderline negative-utility
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It's TvT and I'm annoyed.In post 412, redtea wrote:this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics-
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I see.In post 406, T3 wrote:In post 358, cool cookie wrote:i'm ambivalent about the claim. an outted traitor doesn't serve much purpose for mafia, so there isn't anything we particularly lose by giving redtea a night to prove the claim. gut is i don't buy it thoughFua's vote on george gut pinged me as really terrible.
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On reread, this does come off as really forced.In post 35, fua wrote:VOTE: GeorgeBailey
Sure, I'll buy this and put some pressure here. I think trying to be quirky is weird too.
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Show me.In post 430, fua wrote:
Following the claim? You’ve definitely been the most insistent on it.In post 429, Three wrote:Fua, do you really believe I'm the only player in this game who insisted we shoot redtea?-
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Questioning why a slot isn't dead =/= I want the slot.In post 433, fua wrote:In post 388, Three wrote:
This is where I'm at.In post 386, House wrote:That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
But I'm sure you know you're reaching here.-
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One-liners are NAI.In post 435, fua wrote:I think that post comes off as really insistent on ending the day early and voting out someone who claimed a PR before they have the chance to actually prove themselves. Beyond that you’ve really just been posting one-liners and arguing semantics with House.
I didn't argue semantics and in fact cut our conversation short when I saw it wasn't going anywhere.-
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Unfortunately for you, you're wrong.In post 437, fua wrote: Yes it does.
Still tilted?In post 438, House wrote: It does ON DAY ONE.-
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Exactly. I'm the one who suggested this was a zero Goon game in the first place.In post 443, redtea wrote:"if peoppe genuinely believe" is what struck me
Fua and House claiming that I want you dead after my set up speculation suggested how important you are just feels like mental gymnastics at this point.-
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I didn't walk back anything. I voted redtea then moved my vote. You seem to be under the impression I can place six votes on someone though.In post 444, fua wrote:
I feel like Three’s own claim that he didn’t want redtea to die is a walkback from this post after I said that he was the one pushing for redtea to die the most.In post 429, Three wrote:Fua, do you really believe I'm the only player in this game who insisted we shoot redtea?-
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Interesting that this shade from Dwlee didn't ping Fua.In post 367, Dwlee99 wrote:If this is a fake claim it'd be super easy to just say that they must have shot a VT. Especially if scum have a role cop or something like that. Or just guess that someone is a VT and then a PR has to be outed for us to lim redtea. We can give it a night but I don't wholesale believe it
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I voted Osetr because I didn't like them and because they would be a liability in ELo.In post 481, Save The Dragons wrote:do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee
Dwlee so far is not that but also not much else either.-
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This is probably town since I'd expect scum to give an actual reason for their fake scum read.In post 545, Dwlee99 wrote:
Oh, I thought it was serious. I think three has been scummyIn post 542, Save The Dragons wrote:because it was a random vote-
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I'm pretty sure we have similar reasoning and justifications for our votes on Osetr.In post 595, fua wrote:
I feel like voting for someone on Day 1 because we won’t be able to rely on them at the end of the gameIn post 589, House wrote:
As it isn't true, I won't tell him that.In post 586, HawaiianPizza wrote:don't tell him that was actually a pretty terrible take on osetr.isreally flimsy reasoning, to be honest. I definitely agree that he deserved to be limmed if he wasn’t replaced because I don’t tolerate that behavior on this site, but that post from Three feels like he’s trying to justify his vote a little bit too much.-
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In post 595, fua wrote:
I feel like voting for someone on Day 1 because we won’t be able to rely on them at the end of the gameIn post 589, House wrote:
As it isn't true, I won't tell him that.In post 586, HawaiianPizza wrote:don't tell him that was actually a pretty terrible take on osetr.isreally flimsy reasoning, to be honest. I definitely agree that he deserved to be limmed if he wasn’t replaced because I don’t tolerate that behavior on this site, but that post from Three feels like he’s trying to justify his vote a little bit too much.
I don't think scum tries to call a truce with an opposing wagon, so sure, I'll trust you for now.In post 605, fua wrote:Actually. @Three I’m seriously suspicious of you, but I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here if you’re willing to do the same with me. It’s in both of our best interests to work on a compromise for today— in case you are town, then scum is obviously going to look to keep our wagons as the main focuses so that the spotlight isn’t turned on them. Both of usdogive out a lot of content that could be useful to find each other later, so why don’t we let each other keep talking and try to reach a conclusion on something else?
TL;DR: You trust me and take your vote off me, I’ll trust you and take my vote off you.
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If we're calling a truce then I need a new target, and I don't want to vote cookie. We've got three people who basically aren't playing, and the game state doesn't feel like it's had much scum influence, so I think we'd have a good chance hitting scum there. Between George/Zen/A50, I feel least good about George due to their awkward RVS posts. Zen's posts are whatever, and Wake/A50 never posted so I have nothing there. Maybe Wake dropped because they didn't want to play scum?
Otherwise, as far as our active posters go, any that are scum are likely just playing very safe/muted. Assuming the treaty with Fua is pure, I think cookie and redtea are telling the truth and are town. I feel good about House and Dwlee as well.
Which leaves Jacket/STD/T3/Pizza for basically my null reads. T3 is insistent STD is town though, so I could believe it if he gave a compelling enough reason.
For now I'm fine with voting George.
VOTE: George
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House is town because we TvT'd earlier.In post 760, HawaiianPizza wrote:
VOTE: ThreeIn post 737, Three wrote:If we're calling a truce then I need a new target, and I don't want to vote cookie. We've got three people who basically aren't playing, and the game state doesn't feel like it's had much scum influence, so I think we'd have a good chance hitting scum there. Between George/Zen/A50, I feel least good about George due to their awkward RVS posts. Zen's posts are whatever, and Wake/A50 never posted so I have nothing there. Maybe Wake dropped because they didn't want to play scum?
Otherwise, as far as our active posters go, any that are scum are likely just playing very safe/muted. Assuming the treaty with Fua is pure, I think cookie and redtea are telling the truth and are town. I feel good about House and Dwlee as well.
Which leaves Jacket/STD/T3/Pizza for basically my null reads. T3 is insistent STD is town though, so I could believe it if he gave a compelling enough reason.
For now I'm fine with voting George.
VOTE: George
PE: I could do a Jacket vote as well.
explain reads on house/dwlee/fua (other than that treaty)
Dwlee is town because they literally weren't doing anything besides shading people, at least at the time I initially town read them.
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I'm struggling to believe Dwlee's scum read on me is real at this point. They think it's scummy that I town read them despite getting scum read by them, but if OMGUS scum read them back I'm certain that I wouldn't get town read for that. I don't get why you're so set on miseliminating me since it seems like you are going to scum read me no matter what I say or do.-
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Pretty sure this is Dwlee99 who posted this.In post 807, Dwlee99 wrote:Beginning of ISO: doesn't say much. Doesn't interact much. First time involved in actual conversation happens to be when the mech convo with the traitor stuff comes up. Since then, not much to impress me except maybe the truce thing from y'all but I feel like I shouldn't put a ton of stock into it. The townread on me kinda feels like he knows it's true which is why he believes it cause Occam's is just scummy -> scum and I don't think he has played with me to know my playstyle just kinda is this. I think people new to my playstyle tend to scumread me naturally so it's kind of weird for him to actually townread me for thinking I look scummy-
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See, Dwlee, I read what you wrote. Your other concerns already got talked about and dealt with, which I mention here. So what problem do you have exactly, that hasn't already been refuted?In post 948, Three wrote:I'd prefer if you just admitted you're death tunneling me,, you still scum read me.because despite every single one of your concerns being addressed-
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My entrance was "empty" because it was RVS. I thought that was self-explanatory.In post 957, Dwlee99 wrote:
How was my point about your entrance being empty until mech discussion "refuted?" You townreading me despite thinking I'm scummy has been given an explanation (but not really from you) but not debunked, and now you're angling to flip your read on me by framing me as unreasonable for scumreading you here. What should I be townreading from you?In post 952, Three wrote:
See, Dwlee, I read what you wrote. Your other concerns already got talked about and dealt with, which I mention here. So what problem do you have exactly, that hasn't already been refuted?In post 948, Three wrote:I'd prefer if you just admitted you're death tunneling me,, you still scum read me.because despite every single one of your concerns being addressed
I never said you should town read me either. This isn't a game of absolutes. I'm saying your push on me doesn't feel real because at this point your only real reason to scum read me is that you didn't like my posts during RVS.
Also I don't have to know you to judge your playstyle. That feels like such a weirdly meta argument to make that I can only town read you off playstyle if I've played with you before.-
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Somebody can tunnel and still be town.In post 1057, Jacket wrote:In post 1006, Three wrote:I don't think Dwlee is scum.
Seems like you were were implying it by suggesting their scumread on you didn't seem "real".In post 945, Three wrote:I'm struggling to believe Dwlee's scum read on me is real at this point. They think it's scummy that I town read them despite getting scum read by them, but if OMGUS scum read them back I'm certain that I wouldn't get town read for that. I don't get why you're so set on miseliminating me since it seems like you are going to scum read me no matter what I say or do.-
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Yeah yeah AtE whatever, getting annoyed at getting eliminated Day 1 when you effort is NAI either way. I genuinely thought I was closer than E-3 though since last I checked I had three votes and I thought I saw three more come my way.In post 1082, cool cookie wrote:
alas that's often the way in mafia - the games where you put most effort in are the ones you get limmed early. that said, maybe a slightly premature claim at like 4 votes with emotional appeal to boot.In post 1081, Three wrote:I don't know what that puts me at, but I assume we're wagoning me despite there being no legitimate case at this point. Real fun wasting my week on this game just to get miseliminated but whatever.
I'm VT.
I would offer to just get shot by redtea to prove I'm VT, but I understand it could just mean I'm the BP Traitor, and even though I think redtea is telling the truth I understand that not everyone believes them either.-
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I do have my vote there, STD did as well but he unvoted. I doubt it's happening at this point.In post 1084, TheZenMan wrote:
So just one scumread and the other are all null/town? No one sees anything suspicious about this? The guy he goes for is also someone already scumreading him, so he loses nothing by putting me at the bottom there. I feel George is trying to stay on as many peoples good sides as possible.In post 1058, GeorgeBailey wrote:Alright I give up on Hawaiian.
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-RedTea. While I agree with Jacket 370 that RedTea's claimed felt very convenient, I think it's best to give it one night to see what happens. I also think RedTea acted pretty good under pressure
-Cookie being leading wagon is pretty interesting. Informed holding off info isn't really that scummy if it's info on another PR or something that could harm town. So I don't scumread cookie. Nothing faer have posted seems townie though. If Cookie flips green, scum is 100% on this wagon.
- Jacket and Fua gave me early townread vibes. I find myself agreeing to a lot of Jacket's reads. Still trying to find a way to make a "literally me" joke. Fua from their interactions with DwLee.
- Dwlee gave me lax town vibes early. Although the activity reads against a50 that are reachy which is why they're my weakest townread. And offering the hammer to other people for RedTea felt kinda scummy too.
- Almost50's catch up posts were pretty good. Although I really don't see the Jacket scumread. The defense against Dwlee in 929 was towny. His claim also feels the most believable, as I think it's riskier for scum to claim after 2 claims already.
-T3 has sooo much content and stuff feels towny but I don't feel comfortable townleaning him.. 417 Gives me townie vibes but the push on Jacket makes no sense to me.
- House is an epic top town read. Idk if he's in my pocket, or he just reads naturally townie. But I haven't been pinged by any of his posts.
- STD is Null. A lot of naked votes with not a lot of elaboration.
-Zen's recent shade on me feels like a misrep. Like, I was mad at being lumped in with both of you cause you/a50 had 2 and 0 posts. I also said I was scumreading three and townreading Jacket early on.
- I don't understand the townread on Hawaiian.
- Three: at the time I voted three he had three posts. Which was pretty cool. I was secretly hoping it was a gimmick account that made 3 posts a day or something. I initially scumread him because of the lack of anything +, bringing redtea to e-2. But I think his defense has been pretty solid recently, and my vote on him has very much overstayed it's welcome.
VOTE: Zenman
If Zen flips scum then the other scum was on the redtea wagon. I feel like scum would hop on a potential mis-elim wagon with their scum partner MIA for the first day or so.
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I wouldn't say I'm emotionally invested, I'm just annoyed that I think I've defended myself well but it seems to keep getting ignored. A lot of naked votes keep coming my way, so I'm not exactly sure what I can do here, because if I argue against those naked votes it's just going to look like shade/OMGUS even though they're pretty objectively bad votes.-
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Maybe if PT daytalk wasn't enabled.In post 1104, fua wrote:In post 1090, Three wrote:
I do have my vote there, STD did as well but he unvoted. I doubt it's happening at this point.In post 1084, TheZenMan wrote:So just one scumread and the other are all null/town? No one sees anything suspicious about this? The guy he goes for is also someone already scumreading him, so he loses nothing by putting me at the bottom there. I feel George is trying to stay on as many peoples good sides as possible.
Partners?In post 1091, TheZenMan wrote:
I think you are getting a bit too emotionally invested in the game. Remember it's just a game at the end of the day.In post 1088, Three wrote:
Yeah yeah AtE whatever, getting annoyed at getting eliminated Day 1 when you effort is NAI either way. I genuinely thought I was closer than E-3 though since last I checked I had three votes and I thought I saw three more come my way.In post 1082, cool cookie wrote:
alas that's often the way in mafia - the games where you put most effort in are the ones you get limmed early. that said, maybe a slightly premature claim at like 4 votes with emotional appeal to boot.In post 1081, Three wrote:I don't know what that puts me at, but I assume we're wagoning me despite there being no legitimate case at this point. Real fun wasting my week on this game just to get miseliminated but whatever.
I'm VT.
I would offer to just get shot by redtea to prove I'm VT, but I understand it could just mean I'm the BP Traitor, and even though I think redtea is telling the truth I understand that not everyone believes them either.
I looked for a bit but still didn't see a case made on you. Your reaction however for me reads as town.
I mean, you'd have to be extremely confident that I'm scum for this to be a viable line of thought. I'm just not sure what you plan to do when I flip green since you haven't done anything else all game except tunnel me. Point being that you'll look awful Day 2 with my green flip, and seeing as I'm one of the few people actively defending and town reading you, you're going to be an easy target going forward.Dwlee99 wrote:Three rn but I'm supposed to "stop tunneling" and "do something else" smh
This is another reason I town read you too, you're being way too short-sighted to be scum. Like there's really no reason not to vote you Day 2 once I flip green so I have no idea why you would play like this as scum. But if I'm wrong about my read on you I guess this works out.
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This is a zero calorie statement.In post 1119, T3 wrote:
I both like and hate this reaction.In post 1088, Three wrote:
Yeah yeah AtE whatever, getting annoyed at getting eliminated Day 1 when you effort is NAI either way. I genuinely thought I was closer than E-3 though since last I checked I had three votes and I thought I saw three more come my way.In post 1082, cool cookie wrote:
alas that's often the way in mafia - the games where you put most effort in are the ones you get limmed early. that said, maybe a slightly premature claim at like 4 votes with emotional appeal to boot.In post 1081, Three wrote:I don't know what that puts me at, but I assume we're wagoning me despite there being no legitimate case at this point. Real fun wasting my week on this game just to get miseliminated but whatever.
I'm VT.
I would offer to just get shot by redtea to prove I'm VT, but I understand it could just mean I'm the BP Traitor, and even though I think redtea is telling the truth I understand that not everyone believes them either.-
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Do you have a name? You've PoE'd around six people but you haven't really interacted with any of them.In post 1127, Dwlee99 wrote:
If you flipped town I'd either keep going through my poe or reeval depending on NK. I don't like that you say I haven't done anything other than tunnel you because I've been narrowing down my poe and I feel like that's more important than catching scum immediatelyIn post 1121, Three wrote:I mean, you'd have to be extremely confident that I'm scum for this to be a viable line of thought. I'm just not sure what you plan to do when I flip green since you haven't done anything else all game except tunnel me. Point being that you'll look awful Day 2 with my green flip, and seeing as I'm one of the few people actively defending and town reading you, you're going to be an easy target going forward.
This is another reason I town read you too, you're being way too short-sighted to be scum. Like there's really no reason not to vote you Day 2 once I flip green so I have no idea why you would play like this as scum. But if I'm wrong about my read on you I guess this works out.
What exactly do you plan to do tomorrow when I flip green?
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