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[HawaiianPizza]

h

[HawaiianPizza]

hawaiian pizza kinda sus ngl
scumread by the entirety of reddit

the toppings are fresh
must've been delivered the wrong hawaiian pizza

[HawaiianPizza]

im gay

[HawaiianPizza]

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

gay => happy => positive => green

VOTE: redtea

suspicious translator's note

[HawaiianPizza]

i volunteer to throw osetr in the oven before he unleashes the cringe

[HawaiianPizza]

i volunteer to throw osetr in the oven before he unleashes the cringe

fuck you

VOTE: HawaiianPizza

no u

im already preheating

[HawaiianPizza]

gottem

[HawaiianPizza]

fuck i ruined my first time the joke actually worked
curse you cheeze

not my fault you can't use preview smh.
you weren't ever gonna reach debil levels of funny anyway.

[HawaiianPizza]

fuck i ruined my first time the joke actually worked
curse you cheeze

not my fault you can't use preview smh.
you weren't ever gonna reach debil levels of funny anyway.

thats like telling a snail he will never be as fast as a cheetah

i regret saying that youre gay cheeze now all these guys talk about is gay

good.

gives me cover to pass off as totally straight now.

[HawaiianPizza]

lol osetr getting people to dislike him, classic

gtg

remember: hawaiian pizza, a cool cookie, and red tea.
one of us do not quite fit and it's obviously the red tea

[HawaiianPizza]

i volunteer to throw osetr in the oven before he unleashes the cringe

welp, it's too late now, enjoy

[HawaiianPizza]

VOTE: House

[HawaiianPizza]

okay real vote

VOTE: Osetr
this is who s dying today

>rand v post

not sure on osetr yet, he's trolling

[HawaiianPizza]

quirkiness is towny for an average by-the-book player but for someone like me if im forcing a joke too hard it means im scum, very simple

hawaiian pizza kinda sus ngl
scumread by the entirety of reddit

VOTE: Osetr

who

VOTE: Osetr

Who me froo me.

okay real vote

VOTE: Osetr
this is who s dying today

I don't hate it.

3 votes in, dude is already flailing.

Wow.

Osetr, who's the scum on your wagon?

dislike this somewhat

[HawaiianPizza]

you can call me "dota" instead it will be easier to spell

Aren't you banned from MU

thats why im here

yikes
have fun getting banned from here too

thanks

Dota Gets Banned Before we Get to Play a Full Fucking Game, vol. 2

[HawaiianPizza]

I think Osetr is town.

fua is really obvious scum.

No, I'm not.

You just haven't played with me before.

uh... so what did you think jacket was scumreading you for when he shouldn't?

[HawaiianPizza]

where is votecount smh

was watching everyone vote osetr and hoping there wasn't an accidental hammer
which would be hilarious, of course, but pls no

[HawaiianPizza]

okay real vote

VOTE: Osetr
this is who s dying today

>rand v post

not sure on osetr yet, he's trolling

wasnt planning to but circumstances changed
VOTE: House

im homeless

oh they finally kicked you out, surprised it took so long.

[HawaiianPizza]

i never actually read #82 lol what the fuck
where did you find this cringe

[HawaiianPizza]

lmao

[HawaiianPizza]

rip the reason i joined the game

guess i'll chill

[HawaiianPizza]

i wasn't even voting redtea, my vote is on house lmao

[HawaiianPizza]

also lol at the osetr vote on me

[HawaiianPizza]

also having a gut feeling that hawaiian pizza is gay

the fuck is this

ftr osetr and i just know each other. and... yeah, i'm gay.
i think it's been mentioned already w/e

too much activity in 24 hours, thought this week long phase would be chill. imma sleep.
i kinda v read jacket/redtea and sus house. not much, only skimmed latest posts.

aaand damn redtea claimed :/

[HawaiianPizza]

so this game exists,

[HawaiianPizza]

so this game exists,

Vote fua

VOTE: fua

anyway, what do you think of
VOTE: Dwlee99

(still in the process of properly catching up and stuff)

[HawaiianPizza]

need jacket to explain why he townread osetr/me tbh

i am not getting an answer, am i

[HawaiianPizza]

what the heck is that spoiler ew

[HawaiianPizza]

Spoiler:

test

[HawaiianPizza]

do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee

I voted Osetr because I didn't like them and because they would be a liability in ELo.

Dwlee so far is not that but also not much else either.

Fair take on Osetr, tbh.

I like playing with dwlee. I hope he's not scum this game.

don't tell him that was actually a pretty terrible take on osetr.

speaking of whom, it's tough to read him off of what was basically a meme phase. he seemed fine at first, there are a few okay posts from him, but i thought he was slightly wolfy for trying to appear like he doesn't give a shit about his wagon.

i shrugged it off and let him do his thing. except he's gone now. fantastic.
also i keep losing confidence in all this.

moving on.

[HawaiianPizza]

having a bit of a hard time getting used to the fact that STD stands for "Save The Dragons"

[HawaiianPizza]

why is fua scum?

[HawaiianPizza]

because it was a random vote

Oh, I thought it was serious. I think three has been scummy

This is probably town since I'd expect scum to give an actual reason for their fake scum read.

VOTE: Three

don't tell him that was actually a pretty terrible take on osetr.

As it isn't true, I won't tell him that.

hfgkasjldfjlsfsfng i'm right you're wrong

[HawaiianPizza]

wait why am i voting

UNVOTE: dwlee99

wdym "why am i voting"

[HawaiianPizza]

just looked at the votecount

thought three had fewer votes tbh, now i feel lame

[HawaiianPizza]

yeah get your votes off of three already
i might get on the fua wagon if we really did catch scum tripping but I'll wait for them to come back round first

pedit speak of the devil

k

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[HawaiianPizza]

what is "gated"?

[HawaiianPizza]

what is "gated"?

Specifically, a Complex Vig can only shoot PR's. Their shot will fail* if they target a vanilla player (goon is considered vanilla scum).

Fix't

oh, i see

at first, i thought the traitor was just a bulletproof based on cookie's claim
then... about 490 (second quote)
this means the traitor has an ability, which is restricted like that?

not quite sure on redtea's claim now.

unsure why this "informed townie" would be a role in the game, haven't seen anything like that before.
but i still buy the claim and feel like we're overthinking it.

[HawaiianPizza]

so this game exists,

Vote fua

VOTE: fua

anyway, what do you think of
VOTE: Dwlee99

(still in the process of properly catching up and stuff)

Meant to quote this

Meant to quote this

[HawaiianPizza]

I kind of want to let Dwlee prove himself? Osetr’s posts aren’t alignment indicative in hindsight because 90% of his posts were just trolling.

You said you legitimately thought Osetr was scum though.

I don’t think that anymore after context of him being banned from another site and a cursory reread.

Also, part of my scumread was justification for my vote on him due to an inherent dislike of his conduct. The other part is me being biased in liking Dwlee and not wanting to scumread him.

sorta dislike this explanation. what did you find scummy about osetr at the time?

Also, frankly rude to tell someone new not to play again.

Anyone, for that matter

New or not.

His content is disturbing and disrespectful towards basically everyone here who's actually trying to play the game. I wouldn't say it if he was intentionally going out of his way to break the rules.

So are you voting him because he's disrespectful or because you think he's mafia?

Both!

[HawaiianPizza]

I kind of want to let Dwlee prove himself? Osetr’s posts aren’t alignment indicative in hindsight because 90% of his posts were just trolling.

You said you legitimately thought Osetr was scum though.

I don’t think that anymore after context of him being banned from another site and a cursory reread.

That doesn't make sense.

People like N_M can troll as scum. It’s part of their lifestyle. People said he was flailing because he was caught, I just followed the wave.

i guess this is it, i should've fully caught up.
osetr does tend to be more of a troll as scum, since his goal is to just have fun.
but again, it's hard to tell this time, because he only posted during the "dumpster fire" phase.

meh, he could've been an easy push to make and then disguise like this, so i'm still doubtful.

[HawaiianPizza]

don't tell him that was actually a pretty terrible take on osetr.

As it isn't true, I won't tell him that.

I feel like voting for someone on Day 1 because we won’t be able to rely on them at the end of the game

is

really flimsy reasoning, to be honest. I definitely agree that he deserved to be limmed if he wasn’t replaced because I don’t tolerate that behavior on this site, but that post from Three feels like he’s trying to justify his vote a little bit too much.

Actually. @Three I’m seriously suspicious of you, but I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here if you’re willing to do the same with me. It’s in both of our best interests to work on a compromise for today— in case you are town, then scum is obviously going to look to keep our wagons as the main focuses so that the spotlight isn’t turned on them. Both of us

do

give out a lot of content that could be useful to find each other later, so why don’t we let each other keep talking and try to reach a conclusion on something else?

TL;DR: You trust me and take your vote off me, I’ll trust you and take my vote off you.

I don't think scum tries to call a truce with an opposing wagon, so sure, I'll trust you for now.

UNVOTE:

that was easy. perhaps too easy.

[HawaiianPizza]

need jacket to explain why he townread osetr/me tbh

i am not getting an answer, am i

I don't feel like explaining, yeah.

based.
i tend to townread this at first, then start getting paranoid and having huge doubts. good luck in the near future.

[HawaiianPizza]

If we're calling a truce then I need a new target, and I don't want to vote cookie. We've got three people who basically aren't playing, and the game state doesn't feel like it's had much scum influence, so I think we'd have a good chance hitting scum there. Between George/Zen/A50, I feel least good about George due to their awkward RVS posts. Zen's posts are whatever, and Wake/A50 never posted so I have nothing there. Maybe Wake dropped because they didn't want to play scum?

Otherwise, as far as our active posters go, any that are scum are likely just playing very safe/muted. Assuming the treaty with Fua is pure, I think cookie and redtea are telling the truth and are town. I feel good about House and Dwlee as well.

Which leaves Jacket/STD/T3/Pizza for basically my null reads. T3 is insistent STD is town though, so I could believe it if he gave a compelling enough reason.

For now I'm fine with voting George.

VOTE: George

PE: I could do a Jacket vote as well.

VOTE: Three
explain reads on house/dwlee/fua (other than that treaty)

[HawaiianPizza]

brain would like to review redtea's posts later. and check T3/Jacket.

[HawaiianPizza]

UNVOTE: Three

quickhammers bad tbh

[HawaiianPizza]

oh

[HawaiianPizza]

oops... look, i get it, there are "better" options on the menu

fine

i bet most of you haven't even tasted me tho

[HawaiianPizza]

so anyway, not in danger of a quickhammer anymore unless i'm blind VOTE: Three
do we have to reach a majority for lunch or is plurality enabled

also dislike cookie/george wagons, i think

[HawaiianPizza]

i wouldn't be surprised if the "treaty" between three and fua is w/w honestly.
they'd be towards the bottom of my list, so maybe i'm biased but... that whole thing seemed off to me. especially from three's side.

there's a neighbour claim?

[HawaiianPizza]

i wouldn't be surprised if the "treaty" between three and fua is w/w honestly.
they'd be towards the bottom of my list, so maybe i'm biased but... that whole thing seemed off to me. especially from three's side.

there's a neighbour claim?

Almost50 claimed Bulletproof Neighbor.

huh why did they claim that
w/e i guess, i'm generally not down to yeet PR claims on D1?

[HawaiianPizza]

pineapple on pizza ruins the texture

VOTE: T3
how dare you. also explain on fua/three. .

[HawaiianPizza]

oops... look, i get it, there are "better" options on the menu

fine

i bet most of you haven't even tasted me tho

People are really complaining about Hawaiian Pizza when there are people out there who don’t put any toppings or cheese on their pizza, while some even put

goat cheese

on theirs.

Pineapple is literally just a fruit. It’s fine on pizza. People should stop making a big deal about it and I will die on this hill.

i heard you ordering a margherita last night...

pineapple on pizza ruins the texture

VOTE: T3
how dare you. also explain on fua/three. .

I don't think scum would be so blatant about something like that.

i'm too lazy to go back and check
take "meh" as an answer for now

VOTE: Three host pls don't kill me

[HawaiianPizza]

uhhhh

posting after hammer is allowed?

[HawaiianPizza]

wat

[HawaiianPizza]

well, i would've been opposed to george's wagon, but i obviously came too late
i don't understand this kill either

meh

VOTE: Almost50

back in the oven

[HawaiianPizza]

it's interesting how no one is considering me at all

anyway, irl pain and wim long gone

i can't tell if phases lasting so long is a blessing or a curse tbh

[HawaiianPizza]

is there a case on someone

[HawaiianPizza]

is there a case on someone

Aside from A50 not counterclaiming Zen for having his exact role and suddenly theorizing that I'm scum thinking he's my traitor after I got cold feet on an early day E-1 wagon?

Nah.

does this mean they both claim bulletproof?
well, after sautéing a braincell, i can say i do expect a wolf in the PR claims, and i was leaning towards it being in the neighbours, who are... apparently both bulletproof now?

i still trust cool cookie's claim fwiw, idk much about recent events

[HawaiianPizza]

lol

[HawaiianPizza]

throwback to page 26, i'll be honest

i'm still unsure whether T3 meant to quote that.

[HawaiianPizza]

VOTE: TheZenMan

[HawaiianPizza]

i don't know what's happening in the neighbourhood, but as i'm rereading, A50 claimed the BP and zen did nothing about it? shrug

[HawaiianPizza]

i'm reading that we don't even have to exterminate the traitor to win?

uh is this true?

[HawaiianPizza]

or am i misunderstanding

[HawaiianPizza]

me: "cool, i've got a whole week to catch up and read all the shit i've been procrastinating on in peace"

game: quickhammer on A50 because yes

[HawaiianPizza]

wait

VOTE: Almost50

omg he's still on the vc

[HawaiianPizza]

VT

Pass to hawaiian pizza

vanilla

pass to whoever is left, i forgot already

[HawaiianPizza]

no, not house

dwlee

[HawaiianPizza]

I do enjoy reading Greek.

Especially when it's written in English.

i would write some for u rn, but people will say it's cheating lol

i don't get why i'm that townread either. i don't remember what reasons people have given, if any.
T3/Zen just have me as "town" unless i missed something
and i think both are wolves because of claims and flipped PRs (im used to 13ers having like 2-3 PRs max? not 100% sure) so lol
third pick is like dwlee? i won't deny it's semi-random-after-looking-at-the-playerlist.

also no elim is probably the way ye

[HawaiianPizza]

although

if there's 2 mafia PRs + bp traitor who is apparently gated

i guess more PRs can exist?

idfk, i will continue my Very Useful Catchup
i haven't been following T3's claim

[HawaiianPizza]

i think three/dwlee on D1 was v/w, and three's reactions were actually p towny, and i was being stupid pairing him with fua because i am a professional at this game.

[HawaiianPizza]

Aaaaaaaa

I fucking knew it. That's why I took your truce so easily. You shouldn't have said anything.

ok yeah this is town

[HawaiianPizza]

house is also town i'm pretty sure?

not sure on StD yet, some stuff make me think town on the surface (keep in mind im still a bit behind, near EoD1 now)

jacket idk but i think town

leaves me with dwlee/t3/zen, welp, is it confbias hour

[HawaiianPizza]

A50 was so towny D1 and i'm honestly pretty mad that was quickhammered

[HawaiianPizza]

t3/dwlee is such a good pair and dwlee's votes on t3 feel like busses omfg im either extremely smart or super dumb

let's go

[HawaiianPizza]

i will flood this page to make up for my absence

enjoy your pineapples

[HawaiianPizza]

nvm i got bored lmao

[HawaiianPizza]

im gay

There was this which could be a traitor crumb after redtea said gay = mafia

meme

lol osetr getting people to dislike him, classic

gtg

remember: hawaiian pizza, a cool cookie, and red tea.
one of us do not quite fit and it's obviously the red tea

This might also be a crumb cause it's saying one of cookie/redtea/HP is different for some reason

we're all food related
i just realised red tea can be the odd one out as a drink, but the joke was originally me being the odd one out as cookies and tea is a normal combination.
meme analysis.

[HawaiianPizza]

My issue with pizza is that he's been coasting up until today, and the reads that he has posted don't have much spice.

Calling Three town? Duh.
Calling me likely town? Duh.
Calling T3 scum? No surprise there.
Scolding over the A50 flip? I've made my feelings on that known.
Scumreading dwlee? Seems like a safe, "this guy isn't UT" take.
Zen is the only fairly spicy read, which a small part of me can't help but agree with because role shenannies paranoia.

yes, i've been struggling to play the game somewhat. i haven't been very motivated, would constantly skim and get ~nothing out of it, then forget whatever i read.
is three like consensus town now? cuz i originally suspected them, now as i was reading more carefully i changed my mind. i still do think you're town with, say, the overthinking on cool cookie's claim and such + possibly pocketed by a dwlee/t3 team if i'm right.
yeah, i'm pretty disappointed with the elims, as i would be defending both given some time. this game as a whole has felt disappointing and i don't even know the people in here, which makes reading y'all even harder for me (i'm known for usually having shit reads, especially early game, and there's a joke that 180ing them actually solves the game).
idk what UT stands for. if you think both BP neighbours are town in this setup, be my guest ig?
why does there have to be an investigative?

[HawaiianPizza]

Spoiler:

a t3 wagon starts near EoD

Okay I have a busy day today (last day of classes until fall break + I have an exam this morning) so unlikely I get a ton done before then. I don't think t3 is going to flip scum here and I don't think killing him even gets me closer to flipping scum so I don't like that wagon

Okay maybe t3 can move back into poe? How confident are you on zen!town a50?

T3 your one attempt at meta on me was doing this same exact wishy washy thing where you shade me and then do a ~idk~ at the end and you were scum

Good thing I don't believe in meta

Would scum!t3 do the same exact thing to me twice in a row cause this is sort of meta but imo it's actually mostly a scum tell in and of itself. Being wishy washy and also it's easy to make up reasons to scumread someone or townread someone by just saying "blabla" meta.

Based on my skim yea I'd be fine hopping on here? Will consider more after classes

VOTE: T3
Sure

The doing meta on me thing where he just ends up with no conclusion

there were quite a few votes on him by then. feels like it can easily be a bus/a push you can stop after t3 claims.

VOTE: T3
Weird

i'm pretty sure there were a few votes that way once again

cookie knows I'm town and knows my result.
I won't elaborate further.

I don't think there's a normal role that can do this

I don't believe this but I haven't put a ton of thought into it

I do not understand t3 rn

I townread cookie but not t3 and I feel like the way cookie is reacting here means they actually don't have the info t3 is saying they do

town

mailman

This feels like it could be TMI

doesn't feel very involved or taking a very solid stance.

[HawaiianPizza]

idk what UT stands for. if you think both BP neighbours are town in this setup, be my guest ig?
why does there have to be an investigative?

UT = Universally townread.

Ngl, Zen bothers me, but I believed his claim over A50's

because

A50 confirmed he claimed 1-shot first in the hood.

1-shot is a fairly common modifier. A safer fake claim would be odd night, even night, non-consecutive, etc, BECAUSE they're less likely to be countered.

Town is weak on power with only redtea as an information gathering role. If that's true, it would suggest scum has very little power, but a roleblocker is contrary to that take.

look, i think zen is either exactly the traitor or town, so i don't know if it's worth going after anyway. would traitor!zen expect A50 to have an exact counterpart of their role tho? and none of the modifiers you name fit that well with a BP?
i find it really hard to believe there was a neighbourhood with two night immune townies (and the exact same role).
is the existence of a roleblocker confirmed somehow?

[HawaiianPizza]

Spoiler: vcs and counts

Vote Count 2.02

TheZenMan (0):

Almost50 (2):

HawaiianPizza, T3

House (0):

Save The Dragons (0):

Three (0):

T3 (5):

Dwlee99, Almost50, House, TheZenMan, Jacket

(E-1)

Jacket (0):

Dwlee99 (0):

cool cookie (0):

redtea (0):

HawaiianPizza (0):

Not Voting (4):

Save The Dragons, Three, cool cookie, redtea

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate. Day 2 ends when an elimination is decided or in (expired on 2021-10-17 09:00:00).

Announcements

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Possums

I've seen neighbors with the same exact role as town before but that was a very long time ago

Did anyone think anything of the game I mentioned where there were two neighbors with the same roles and town (both ungated role cops in fact)

It's relevant cause aren't we suspecting there's scum in the hood because they both said they're 1-shot bp?

T3 why would you not claim no result I don't get it

Like couldn't Jacket be ascetic or something if you're town?

Vote Count 2.03 (FINAL)

TheZenMan (1):

HawaiianPizza

Almost50 (6):

House, T3, TheZenMan, cool cookie, Save The Dragons, redtea

(Elimination)

House (0):

Save The Dragons (0):

Three (0):

T3 (3):

Dwlee99, Almost50, Jacket

Jacket (0):

Dwlee99 (0):

cool cookie (0):

redtea (0):

HawaiianPizza (0):

Not Voting (1):

Three

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate. Day 2 ends when an elimination is decided or in (expired on 2021-10-17 09:00:00).

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Possums

You're arguing that with my partner extremely close to being eliminated I argue against the flash a50 wagon and that t3 wasn't acting like he had a certain result

i haven't read D2 in detail yet, but it seemed like a lot of people turned against A50 and it can be a case where you wouldn't have to support that miselim? and it still feels like you weren't pushing T3 that strongly other than keeping the vote there?
shrugge

is the existence of a roleblocker confirmed somehow?

Ummm... I'm not sure, actually?

There's been a lot of chatter about it and this is the first time I've seen its existence questioned, so I was just rolling with it.

T3 is the only claimed role that gets active feedback about being roleblocked. redtea wouldn't necessarily know until after a flip he tried to vig, which hasn't come to pass at this point.

well, i assume T3 hasnt claimed being roleblocked. i cant really speculate on the setup, but yeah idk why we

should

have a rber

[HawaiianPizza]

well, i assume T3 hasnt claimed being roleblocked.

No result means either roleblock or *side eyes dwlee* ascetic.

what are T3's actions

[HawaiianPizza]

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[HawaiianPizza]

i haven't read D2 in detail yet, but it seemed like a lot of people turned against A50 and it can be a case where you wouldn't have to support that miselim? and it still feels like you weren't pushing T3 that strongly other than keeping the vote there?
shrugge

I was on vacation so idk what kind of pushing you're expecting from me then

well i still don't exactly read it as "definitely unaligned" lul

well, i assume T3 hasnt claimed being roleblocked.

No result means either roleblock or *side eyes dwlee* ascetic.

what are T3's actions

... I'm starting to wonder if this is a forced attempt at a dumbtell.

It's not like it was a single post and forgotten about. It was gnawed on for days.

Odd night TA (Jacket n1, no result)
Even night neighbor finder (dwlee n2, not a neighbor)

i do remember the jacket check actually. didn't see the dwlee one.
the even night check was just useless at that point so w/e.
either of these actions could've been rbed is what you were trying to say?

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rip

[HawaiianPizza]

either of these actions could've been rbed is what you were trying to say?

No.

The result on Jacket, if legit, is the sign of either roleblocker or ascetic.

what
ok maybe im stupid but u lost me

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Spoiler:

This one?

indeed. thank you forum user Dwlee99

[HawaiianPizza]

what
ok maybe im stupid but u lost me

Genuine question, are you new to the game entirely, or just new to this site?

Roleblocker prevents a role from taking any action. That means an investigational role would return, "No result".

Ascetic prevents any action from being taken ON them. That means the same as above, but is a passive role (meaning "always on") instead of active role (triggered).

new to this site. i do have the memory/brain of a goldfish occasionally.

i thought T3 checks for private chats on odd nights, so no result would mean "not in a private chat", but it seems to mean "you couldn't get a result"

[HawaiianPizza]

what does me being a vanity vote every day mean to you?

also @dwlee, why sheep t3 on std (some meta read they refuse to explain)? do you have a read on std otherwise?

[HawaiianPizza]

but i was not around for EoD1?
and D2 quickhammer happened, i expected i would have enough time to deal with my zen/a50 reads after sleeping.
this is straight up false

lemme check my votes, maybe ill explain every vote i made

[HawaiianPizza]

i was about to submit

um

[HawaiianPizza]

well, i guess i'll say my final vote being on you isn't that weird? i've offered some explanations.
and the a50 vote wasn't really made with the intent to eliminate.

[HawaiianPizza]

okay ig

can some people talk about whether t3/dwlee is a possibility or not
i'm more certain on dwlee being scum than t3 tbh, the latter is mostly by association. idk how to deal with the claim.
i'm pretty confident on house/three being town. std and jacket are a bit WIP, assuming we do have more time on this day and no elim won't get hammered...

cough

[HawaiianPizza]

whether t3/dwlee is a possibility or not

No

silence

[HawaiianPizza]

oh boy

[HawaiianPizza]

i'm just going to tune out of everything jacket says

why do u scumread him anyway, i'm too lazy to go searching rn

[HawaiianPizza]

The only proof we have of the existence of a bulletproof traitor is cool cookie's word. In a world where the bulletproof traitor is one of the neighbors with town, that puts them in an automatic CC on day 1. Does that make any sense as good setup design? Because it sounds terrible to me. Mafia would be put in a losing position from the start.

And if the neighbors were both mafia...wouldn't the traitor just claim to the other one?

Neither idea makes much sense to me.

WHAT IS THIS SHADE
independently of the hood i'd be townreading a50

idgi

[HawaiianPizza]

Spoiler: T3's scumread on Jacket

@T3:

Are you ever going to explain your meta reads? Because at some point or another you're going to get accused of TMI if you don't.

No

VOTE: T3

Dude
What
Why is that scummy

You don't think it's scummy to read people based on meta but then not explain what the meta is? If you're scum it's just TMI that you already know who's town and who's scum. If you're town, we have no idea what you're thinking or how accurate your meta reads actually are.

With STD for instance, you say he's town because of meta. When asked if it's something he did, you answer it's because of something he didn't do. That means nothing to anyone who doesn't know what you're talking about and could easily just come from scum since you don't have to justify that read.

17 hours
I hardclaim investigative
Unvote

Sigh.

What investigative?

I don't want to elaborate because it only benefits scum
Please trust me

Scum me almost never ever fakes reads and when I do it's almost always obvious

I'm not accusing you of faking reads, I'm accusing you of TMI.

It's hard to trust your claim because by all means, if you're town, you're most likely going to get night killed. With all the supposed Bulletproofs in the game it seems unlikely a protective role exists. So if you die tonight you'll flip and we learn your role anyway, or worse you potentially get role blocked and scum kills someone else to make you WIFOM bait.

Besides that, if we do trust you, who exactly do we vote? Because you were voting for me and I don't exactly want to get miseliminated.

Maybe Zen or jacket

Why?

Zen for the case on him outlined by cookie earlier (I didn't think it was too scummy at first though), but maybe not because he's neighbor

Jacket because of barely providing content and dumb tunnel on me and you.

Possibly George because of PoE.

For the record I think T3's role makes sense for scum. Especially if the neighbors are supposed to be valuable for town. But leaving him alive for a night is fine.

this shade tbh
VOTE: jacket

The only proof we have of the existence of a bulletproof traitor is cool cookie's word. In a world where the bulletproof traitor is one of the neighbors with town, that puts them in an automatic CC on day 1. Does that make any sense as good setup design? Because it sounds terrible to me. Mafia would be put in a losing position from the start.

And if the neighbors were both mafia...wouldn't the traitor just claim to the other one?

Neither idea makes much sense to me.

WHAT IS THIS SHADE
independently of the hood i'd be townreading a50

TheZenMan - lean town
House - lean town
Save The Dragons - lock town
Three - null town
T3
Jacket - scum
Dwlee99 - lean scum
HawaiianPizza - town

bad shade yesterday

jacket is like 90% scum

jacket is like 90% scum

Okay.

I know who I'm snapvoting tomorrow.

yikes

i'm just going to tune out of everything jacket says

really man

[HawaiianPizza]

i have solved the game.

accepting pizza orders tonight.

[HawaiianPizza]

i have solved the game.

accepting pizza orders tonight.

Ham, extra mushrooms, pineapple, and* extra cheese, with stuffed crust.

If stuffed crust is not an option, large deep dish.

EBWOP

understood. we will have to slaughter a pig and process its meat real quick, then go to the nearest forest and pick extra mushrooms (don't worry, we are experienced), as well as tell an employee he's going to brazil to collect the finest pineapples. i have already made sure to visit local farms and milk a few cows to create the quality cheese needed for our great pizzas. preparation -including baking the damn thing- should take around 1-2 days and delivery will hopefully take less than an hour assuming we still remember your order until then. thank you for choosing us. that will be $68.95.

[HawaiianPizza]

i have solved the game.

accepting pizza orders tonight.

Ham, extra mushrooms, pineapple, and* extra cheese, with stuffed crust.

If stuffed crust is not an option, large deep dish.

EBWOP

understood. we will have to slaughter a pig and process its meat real quick, then go to the nearest forest and pick extra mushrooms (don't worry, we are experienced), as well as tell an employee he's going to brazil to collect the finest pineapples. i have already made sure to visit local farms and milk a few cows to create the quality cheese needed for our great pizzas. preparation -including baking the damn thing- should take around 1-2 days and delivery will hopefully take less than an hour assuming we still remember your order until then. thank you for choosing us. that will be $68.95.

I refuse to pay a cent under $125 for a quality pie.

sure, thank you for supporting our business. we would be grateful if you also paid for the employee's plane tickets.

[HawaiianPizza]

mmm timezones.

don't have good experiences with elo, but at this point i kinda don't give a fuck.

traitor still zen imo, that should probably be the vote here. if someone thinks they're town, pls explain.

bit paranoid of house. would've asked him why dwlee is town, except he's gone. hopefully there's something already in his iso, or someone else can enlighten me lol.

there was probably (translation: certainly) conf.bias involved with my T3 read. at this point, idk. needs a good reread.
i suck with setup spec and shit, but i'm warming up to the idea that there has to be an investigative role (making t3's claim true and by extension confirming the existence of a roleblocker)
assuming t3's town, it means the wolves are all PRs? (since town has 4 PRs, wouldn't it be balanced this way?)
and also, based on claims, there's always at least one in zen/t3, right?

i hope my goldfish memory and smooth brain isn't fucking shit up again.

moving on. reading jacket's stuff made me feel better about jacket himself (barring some likely dumb theories i get from overthinking). didn't exactly give me reasons to townread t3 tho, so i still have to reconsider.

But also, dwlee's preflip association of me and whoever was scummy, and they seem to be playing around you in a way that knows you're town.

Anyway, I felt that day 1, when I was tunneling fua, you had followed my push there in a way that was scummy and opportunistic. You had taken a post that was pretty NAI and went "wow this is scum" or something to that effect. I felt like you were just riding the momentum from other people on their pushes. That was why I thought you were scum, and I assume someone who claims an investigative role when run up day 1 is usually scum. I was probably wrong. It happens.

If you're town, sorry for tunneling you for two game days. I don't think that's a

good

reason to vote me, but I'm biased.

found this post good (underlined part mainly), thoughts seem fair. it's just that he changed his mind and said t3's town simply because he's wrong and tunnelled + everyone else claimed VT, which is what caused the aforementioned dumb theories.
it's probably fine/reasonable and i was being a dumbass. you may give me a sanity check.

had my doubts about this post

jacket is like 90% scum

Okay.

I know who I'm snapvoting tomorrow.

yikes

You seem to have taken this as implying I was going to vote you. But that's not the case, I changed my mind on you yesterday, in part because everyone else claimed VT.

because looking at the two jacket posts, the implication seemed quite clear.
however:

Everyone else claiming VT means there's a chance I was wrong on T3, but he's likely too butthurt to care.

that's the post after those two. so cool, i guess? who were you thinking of snapvoting at the time then?



honorary StD mention (no clue on him rn, my opinion is that dragons suck and don't need saving).

[HawaiianPizza]

oh i still have the explanations on all of my votes that three asked for

meh, y'all want that?

[HawaiianPizza]

t3, who wolf

[HawaiianPizza]

Cool.

wat

[HawaiianPizza]

If you think zen is traitor you should probably kill other people first depending on how confident you are on traitor vs groupscum

isn't it obvious we kill whoever is most likely to be a wolf here
traitor included

town std is lazy, posts basically only one-liners and rarely elaborates on his reads in his posts
scum std is shading people a lot, is more confident in reads, makes longer posts

doesn't seem like the most trustworthy meta, but shrug
haven't reread him yet

we all know the night is the optimal time to play mafia

[HawaiianPizza]

Cool.

wat

Nothing. Sorry.

you're not in this game, please don't post in here, ty

and here i thought this would be another one of this site's quirks

[HawaiianPizza]

Can everyone do me a solid and order a reads list town to scum? (Or scum to town) no reasons this will help a lot

i have been lazy, but ig this is where i'm at rn

jacket, house/math
t3
std
dwlee
zen

i think most people believe zen to be the traitor here?

It’s a scumclaim because in elo the scummiest person is supposed to vote first.
We all just “fake vote” then whoever is hammered drops a real vote on their top scumspect.

sure, i've heard of the first part... (although it hasn't always seemed to work that nicely ime)
now what is this "fake vote" thing?

[HawaiianPizza]

do you really think that both t3 and zen can be town

[HawaiianPizza]

zen having the exact same role as almost50 (1-shot bp neighbour) in a game with a bp traitor

[HawaiianPizza]

ok but

is a game with 5 town prs, 2 of them being 1-shot bulletproof, even balanced lmao

why do you townread zen

[HawaiianPizza]

did you... not think of that until now?

anyway, i'm not that sure on how to rank std and t3
skimmed a bit of their isos and i want to swap them again, um

math?
wanna read t3?

[HawaiianPizza]

reads and associatives say bad, investigative claim says idk fuck me

[HawaiianPizza]

In the words of T3, please don't lime me.

well, we could pineapple you instead.

[HawaiianPizza]

what a beautiful morning

insert fake vote on zen

now what if...
hmmm.

dwlee, what's your read on jacket?

[HawaiianPizza]

So Zen is fake hammered and has 24 hours to place a real vote

(expired on 2021-10-25 02:34:49)

ominous countdown

[HawaiianPizza]

zen is most likely either town or exactly traitor. why can the traitor not be bussed here?
why is jacket/zen not svs?
using mech to townread zen is pretty lol. you have yet to give other reasons to townread them and you haven't really answered my question.

[HawaiianPizza]

i do think zen is the most likely scum here.

is it bad to talk about things in the meantime?

[HawaiianPizza]

like, i was thinking hey, maybe i'm stupid and both of T3/StD are town and i'm wrong on jacket

i don't really know now, i should reread etc etc but i'm not feeling like it ngl

[HawaiianPizza]

Well at least one of you and pizza is scum pushing zen right now but probably not both

And so I think STD makes sense as scum here

and i do not like this post, "there has to be a scum in the people pushing zen"
and the whole associations thing you're doing
perhaps i'm biased, but like
i'm struggling to be convinced you're town with all this

[HawaiianPizza]

Screw it, Zen/Dwlee/Hawiian final solve
should i vote?

lmao

[HawaiianPizza]

we still got like 3-4 days, the man of zen shall come out eventually

[HawaiianPizza]

Well at least one of you and pizza is scum pushing zen right now but probably not both

And so I think STD makes sense as scum here

and i do not like this post, "there has to be a scum in the people pushing zen"
and the whole associations thing you're doing
perhaps i'm biased, but like
i'm struggling to be convinced you're town with all this

these two people*
to be more accurate

[HawaiianPizza]

Well at least one of you and pizza is scum pushing zen right now but probably not both

And so I think STD makes sense as scum here

and i do not like this post, "there has to be a scum in the people pushing zen"
and the whole associations thing you're doing
perhaps i'm biased, but like
i'm struggling to be convinced you're town with all this

Unless you think t3 or math are scum then you and Jacket literally can't both be town cause there are 4 town left and I'm one of them

sure ok, it just felt shade-y
and i dont see many thoughts from u on the people outside t3/house->math, which is what i want to see, because i don't really follow the disassociatives
w/e

[HawaiianPizza]

have to go now, but zen u had me as town at SoD if im not mistaken

mind explaining ur read change?

[HawaiianPizza]

TheZenMan has left the thread.


now wot

oh, also rereading zen's post about me, have i really been coasting? not contributing at all?
not my fault y'all quickhammered A50 on d2 and cut the day short.
i also

still

have a list of my votes explained if u want it.

but this change in ur read is pretty strange, like, why did u townread me at first? why did u think about all this only now?

[HawaiianPizza]

why don't you suspect, say, dwlee?

[HawaiianPizza]

have to go now, but zen u had me as town at SoD if im not mistaken

mind explaining ur read change?

Yeah I townread you because you were pretty open about being away for so long and suprised people didn't push you, which I townread. However recently have had some posts of yours that made me think you are scum. For example this post below:

Well at least one of you and pizza is scum pushing zen right now but probably not both

And so I think STD makes sense as scum here

and i do not like this post, "there has to be a scum in the people pushing zen"
and the whole associations thing you're doing
perhaps i'm biased, but like
i'm struggling to be convinced you're town with all this

This put up some red flags in my mind. I think it's fairly reasonable to assume that if there are 3 people pushing me one of them is scum, at the very least is probably. Jumping on Dwele for saying that was just needlessly aggressive and defensive.

Also, you say you have a list of votes explained but you never posted it. You said the same thing before. Seems just shady to keep alluding to it but never posting it.

and i explained later that the way dwlee brought it up seemed like shade.

no one so far seemed to care about the list. it was meant for three, after all. you can just ask me to post it instead of calling it "shady".

Spoiler:

redtea: RVS

House: treatment of osetr seemed a bit suspicious to me at the time

fua: T3 asked me to, but i was not feeling it. yeah, they sheeped a vote on george, not the best look, but i wouldn't find it that scummy at that point in the game. also everyone was starting to SR them for tone and shit, which made me dislike the vote even more.

dwlee: i would lean osetr slightly w with some doubt, because he only posted during the dumpster fire phase. so nothing completely solid to read him on. dwlee's posts weren't quite it either, so yeah.

three: you know already. it was probably my main D1 vote.

T3: nothing more than a joke vote.

back to three

almost50: my votes at the start of the day tend to be on people i'm not completely sure on, not necessarily a scumread. i'd come back to look into his posts in depth when i actually had the time/motivation (we literally had a week). i didn't trust the PR claims to be all town and thought there'd likely be a wolf in the neighbours, so i tossed a vote that way. hadn't seen much of zenman by then, but i tend to stay away from lowposters.

the vote wasn't really made with intent to eliminate.

then shit happened. a50 was becoming top wagon as i was reading back on D1 and found him fairly towny. wasn't sure enough to defend it yet (again, i was not ready for a quickhammer), and i did explain my switch on zenman, since a50 seemed to have claimed bp first (but the reverse was true in the hood? i hadn't read about it). at any rate, i was starting to like a50 and didn't want him to have such a big wagon/get hammered. i moved to zen, and hoped to clear this up the next day.

a50 on D3: lol

woo, now you know stuff.

[HawaiianPizza]

i don't feel like playing rn tbh

also StD should post. stuff.

[HawaiianPizza]

i am not a newbie, but i do suck at the game so there's that ig

[HawaiianPizza]

not hammering

[HawaiianPizza]

They either kill him or roleblock him. In this case he was roleblocked, since he got no result.

Again: Why stall on a NO RESULT? What's the point? Scum already know if they blocked him, so why not say it outright?

And even more: THERE IS No ROLEBLOCKER IN THIS SETUP. There can't be. There's a Vig that can't shoot half the players list (

at least

half of it). You don't further cripple them by adding a Roleblocker, a Jalkeeper or a Doctor. And

assuming

T3 is Town, that's also a seriously nerfed role that doesn't ever be more burdened by the existence of a Roleblocker or a Rolestopper. The mist you could do to really really piss them off id to have ONE SLOT untargetable to them (Ascetic or Commuter), and that's really pushing it still.

not a terrible point tbfh

[HawaiianPizza]

yeah im new to the site as well

i have decided that week long phases do suck donkeys after all

[HawaiianPizza]

remind me why tf D1 ended up being essentially a massclaim

[HawaiianPizza]

w/e i hate mechanics

[HawaiianPizza]

right

VOTE: TheZenMan

[HawaiianPizza]

if this is wrong, flame me postgame idc

[HawaiianPizza]

l o l if both votes are wolves and i was second-guessing myself for a few minutes over nothing

i don't really think StD is a hit tho?

bah

[HawaiianPizza]

doesn't he just vote zen here

[HawaiianPizza]

sips tea

[HawaiianPizza]

eh sure

may i ask why you think jacket is town

Meh their vote is stuck on Std anyway so they don’t have a fake vote

Their vote is stuck on Zen

Like this is what I get for posting while working lmfao

lmao i've been burning some braincells today too nw

[HawaiianPizza]

i see. sniff.

[HawaiianPizza]

i noticed ur sig just now and it frightens me, but i'll pretend to ignore it