Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[Taly]

"Listen up! Four of you are not really true contestants, but fake implants sent by the studio to steal all the prize money! Gasp!"

*Warning: Gunshots are in the song*

[Taly]

I've always wanted to wagon myself. VOTE: Taly

A vote for me is a vote for town sitting on the electric chair.



What are y'all gonna do?

[Taly]

multiple volunteers seems so odd to me,

it is like, what is it you are hoping will occur when chosen?

I have no expectations, that's the fun of it!

If I explained my motive, that would defeat the point.

[Taly]

i think shiki is almost definitely town if the vote is not just an elimination or something similar to it

Who is

Shiki

?

[Taly]

Prism

, why vote yourself for the potential reward instead of someone else?

[Taly]

Prism

, why vote yourself for the potential reward instead of someone else?

It is now personally advantageous for me to get it regardless of the result.

Now

?

You've made plenty of posts that don't explicitly state on what you actually interpret from the

"trial"

.

So what changed your attitude from

"Perhaps this is good"

to

"I need this for my benefit."

?

[Taly]

I would encourage you to think critically on the categories of results and why all of them might be positive to me now but not on page 2.

I can see more than two results from the trial but I've yet to discern whether you're town who actually believes most or all possibilities are good for you or if you're scum who is TMIing and unafraid of the sabotage.

Or, you could be town with a motive closer to mine in similarity.

I'm not trying to slap a read on you, but this is how I see your slot at the moment, and why I'm currently unconvinced of voting you.

[Taly]

VOTE: Taly

I trust you!

my guess for this game is that the chair gives the player the ability to pick today's elimination

my guess for the scum sabotage is that they can make it so the chair is a death trap and kills the person who sits in it.

Why trust another player with a theoretical decision instead of yourself?

[Taly]

Or, you could be town with a motive closer to mine in similarity.

which is?

multiple volunteers seems so odd to me,

it is like, what is it you are hoping will occur when chosen?

I have no expectations, that's the fun of it!

If I explained my motive, that would defeat the point.

[Taly]

Or, you could be town with a motive closer to mine in similarity.

And your motive is what?

Hint: How does town win this game?

I just love to play with my hand close to the fire.

We should proceed as if whoever we are voting for will die

And if they don't die, we can do something different with the rest of the day

I'll concede if the majority agrees with this approach, but I'd rather not to.

[Taly]

VOTE: prism based on page six

VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

If you believe

Prism

is scum, aren't you abetting his agenda by voting him?

[Taly]

The discussion of what the event really is was kinda boring and lasted too long though. We haven't even run someone up and it's 9 pages in

Why do you think that is? I mean, what's the purpose behind your own vote?

[Taly]

Gamma

really coming to jump into my pocket with 125 heh

Or having me jump into his. That's a more likely route, unfortunately.

[Taly]

i want to pocket taly

It's easier than it looks.

Pedit

@taly youre so towny aha youre town I think youre town your posting is soooo good

OMG

I think I'm fucked this game.

[Taly]

[Taly]

Ydrasse

I feel that you've been almost completely fluffy thus far. Is that a weak reason to scumread you?

[Taly]

Gamma

seems harsher tonally in the last game I was scum with him, but that was awhile ago and I was on an alt. I also felt that his

" "

reply to my proposition that he is pocketing me is pure, simply because he's not denying or downplaying it.

Ydrasse

has been an even older game where she was scum and I was town - she was still fluffy but showed better care for the game trajectory, to push the game to scum's control. She seems aimless here.

Dwlee

always feel passive to me, like

S_S

but even harder to look into the motives and depth of thought. I want them to justify their

Prism

vote.

Pooky

cared much more about setup spec in

Among Us Mafia

than here I believe, but I honestly don't remember his alignment that game. I don't know what AI indicative on that front, I also don't feel placated over the possibility that his vote is to pocket me. But it's not like I'm going to shoot my own self-started wagon in the foot, so

I want

Cakez

to reply to my earlier question before giving any judgment.

I'd like

Infinity

to engage with me more, I feel town pings but it feels premature to support that.

Never had a strong grasp of

Dunn's

playstyle but I've definitely played with him before.

[Taly]

wait, I had a whole ass sentence typed in the preview I swear, wtf.

But yeah, that's everybody I've played with before other than catching

skitter

!scum in a game long ago, and she's yet to post.

[Taly]

hi taly! can you explain your thoughts on pooky a bit better? i don't understand what you're saying in that paragraph

I'm trying to decide how genuine

Pooky's

trust in me is, especially that he has since made a solve and I'm merely dipping my toes into reading this game.

I want to lean in and townread but there's a lot that can be interpreted from his posts and potential motives.

There doesn't seem to be much in favor of people wanting to vote town for the electric chair, which perplexes the fuck out of me that

Prism

has as many votes as they do.

or you could give a spicy gut take about someone you haven't played with

Prism's

tilt didn't feel genuine at first glance. Not meaning to invalidate any of their sincere feelings, but they've come across as

"I'm gunning for x, but I won't explain y and z to you."

But this is likely playstyles clashing. It's giving me

kittybell

!scum powerwolf/openwolf flashbacks.

If I had tried to sway them from self-wagoning, I wonder how different 192 would've looked. Despite my critiques, I currently think they're likelier town, so the wagon doubly vexes me.

I want

Ulyana

to come in and give non-setup takes before I give an opinion.

Peta's

not caught my eye much, tbh.

i think you're towny but the last wall felt a little like your walls in student council, so it made me doubt my read a bit.

That's fair. I'm arguably at my weakest in large themes, but this is a dumb excuse.

The best way for you to solve me here is to continually pick my brain as you are now - that'll wake me up, or at least someone else.

[Taly]

p-edit

Prism voted themself so I will help them with their endeavors

This does little to help me understand your slot, my next thing to consider is whether this is a deflection or you're signaling me to look deeper.

[Taly]

oh

prism

you use she/her?

apologies if they/them was not appropriate, then.

i use he/him btw

[Taly]

I encourage to continue asking me questions (and the same for others) That does wonders for my engagement.

[Taly]

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

it feels like ur trying to frame this more from like, the perspective of validating pooky instead of stuff /you/ believe in even though you're able 2 espouse these reasons

ok, do you think this post and the posts after it feel like genuine sorting or is it a scum "gotcha"

Upon some thought, I don't like

Gamma

or

Ydrasse

in that interaction.

Gamma

supports

Pooky's

scumreads, and while that's the basis of

"

Pooky

reads are too good to be true"

, but why does he go after

Pooky

and not the solve that he agrees with, first? Meaning, why doubtcast 3 players 285 only to say the 4th is supposedly the person who prompted this?

Peta

being like

"oh, that makes sense"

is also weird, lmao, especially since his vote is still on

Cakez

which I presume is serious. 283

But then again, why does

Ydrasse

sus a partner with almost no prompt?

Actually, why doesn't

Ydrasse

point a finger at

Pooky

for a solve that would be so opposed to her viewpoint of the game? So I can see the

"gotcha"

argument, but like the pressure she places on

Gamma

.

If I had tried to sway them from self-wagoning, I wonder how different 192 would've looked

I believe you're referring to my reaction to you. "Not trying to sway me" meant not trying to sway me you were town, not that you were trying to sway me to take any specific action. If you're referring to my presented motivation regarding wanting either unilateral action or out of the game entirely, I previously forced exactly that scenario on page 1 out of tilt, and later voted to concede the same game as town. I have alluded to similar as town.

My reacting with sheer disgust at bad reasoning and play is not an attractive quality of mine but is nothing new.

Oh. That makes more sense. OK, trust is being built here.

[Taly]

Upon some thought, I don't like Gamma or Ydrasse in that interaction.

can you explain a bit more why you don't like ydrasse here?

in my experience with gamma, that type of reasoning isn't out-of-character

I just want to know her read of

Pooky

better, that'll improve my perception of where her head is at.

And yeah, honestly, I'm finding more reasons to townread

Gamma

than not currently. But I'm looking forward to their follow-up on that plot thread.

Gotta go! See ya's!

p-edit

I'll get to those posts later

ydrasse

[Taly]

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

it feels like ur trying to frame this more from like, the perspective of validating pooky instead of stuff /you/ believe in even though you're able 2 espouse these reasons

ok, do you think this post and the posts after it feel like genuine sorting or is it a scum "gotcha"

Upon some thought, I don't like

Gamma

or

Ydrasse

in that interaction.

Gamma

supports

Pooky's

scumreads, and while that's the basis of

"

Pooky

reads are too good to be true"

, but why does he go after

Pooky

and not the solve that he agrees with, first? Meaning, why doubtcast 3 players 285 only to say the 4th is supposedly the person who prompted this?

Peta

being like

"oh, that makes sense"

is also weird, lmao, especially since his vote is still on

Cakez

which I presume is serious. 283

But then again, why does

Ydrasse

sus a partner with almost no prompt?

Actually, why doesn't

Ydrasse

point a finger at

Pooky

for a solve that would be so opposed to her viewpoint of the game? So I can see the

"gotcha"

argument, but like the pressure she places on

Gamma

.

If I had tried to sway them from self-wagoning, I wonder how different 192 would've looked

I believe you're referring to my reaction to you. "Not trying to sway me" meant not trying to sway me you were town, not that you were trying to sway me to take any specific action. If you're referring to my presented motivation regarding wanting either unilateral action or out of the game entirely, I previously forced exactly that scenario on page 1 out of tilt, and later voted to concede the same game as town. I have alluded to similar as town.

My reacting with sheer disgust at bad reasoning and play is not an attractive quality of mine but is nothing new.

Oh. That makes more sense. OK, trust is being built here.

so you don't like me for voicing the exact thoughts you said here ??????? because that's more or less what i'm doing, let alone getting gamma to the point where he admits *why* he scumreads me/prism/peta

i don't care about what pooky says early game throwing out a solve like that and he probably knows that (ily pooky soryr)

Fair point here. My post was not meant to come off as accusatory as it did.

but that’s about all i have atm

wim is low

I feel I'm a contributor to this. How can I help reverse this for you?

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

I'll concede to the thread consensus about how to approach an elimination. I'm surprised only one person bit my wagon, and under the idea of trusting me.

[Taly]

This back and forth is painful to read through.

Gamma

, the majority of your replies on this page read as dismissive.

Man that is an

obsessive

level of trying to prove your mindset.

How am I “teaching you how to play scum” lmfao
This sort of narrative deflection does not look well on you.

So your issue with me boils down to how I’m interacting with certain slots
That’s just how I am, so this feels like at best you’ve taken my play style as a sure sign I’m scum. Sheesh.

And I don’t think I can really get everyone to vote you out over me but I beg everyone to not overlook how much machismo Prism is trying to exude in this interaction with me. She is the epitome of r/iamverybadass imo.

It seems like you're talking to other players about

Prism

but you're in a 1v1 with

Prism

directly.

so yea im just talking about Taly/Prism

Do you think my play today is a genuine scum attempt to gain mechanical power?

There are a million other motivations but I want to be direct here.

Do you think mine was?

I think you're scum that has bitten off more than you can chew, that you're flying by the seat of your pants and are spewing garbage in the hopes that you find something, and I am more than eager to punish you for it.

Don't punish the playerlist either. Your posts are informative but dense. I want a concise POV on your progression from

"give me the chair"

to

"eliminate

Gamma

"

.

p-edit

I'll take a step back and let others play the game, and potentially let Gamma breathe for a moment if he's town and prevent making this labyrinthine and inaccessible if he is scum.

To say I am unconvinced is an understatement though, I strongly want to flip him.

Thank you

[Taly]

oh, thanks for the links

Prism

, that makes it easier to follow!

It seems like you're talking to other players about Prism but you're in a 1v1 with Prism directly.

That’s exactly the point. I’m like a prizefighter, I’m clashing with my foe while also trying to glitz it up for those watching. And it is extra-pertinent I do so because those watching, much like in a gladiatorial match, have the ability to give the thumbs-up or thumbs-down to my cause.

It feels like this could easily be a method for you to rain check how the thread perceives you, or try to paint

Prism's

posts unfavorably without having to engage with them.

[Taly]

Ceph

who are you and can we pocket each other?

[Taly]

This is unrelated but I remember the only time I caught

Gamma

-scum with such confidence.

It was

Merchant's Daughter

and he had paired with an IC.

He 180'd his townread on me the second I scumread him. Then the IC lunged and scumread me.

I eliminated them.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10748890
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10750220

Hehe, so I can officially say that I've eliminated an

innocent child

before. That should strike fear in scum of my capabilities.

[Taly]

Ceph

who are you and can we pocket each other?

hello, i'm an lsg player who's been sucked into some sort of mafia vortex and forced to play against my will. i'm very cute and charming and probably shouldn't be trusted although i sure like it when people trust me anyway. hope that helps!

i'm still trying to figure you out!

same here! let's do a popcorn back-and-forth question/commentary game!

It seems like your interest in the thread waned when you saw the

GammaVPrism

altercation round 1000. Has any of their own posts helped inform you on their alignment?

[Taly]

for ydrasse and pooky

[Taly]

Hey tally is in this game.

sorry taly

Hi! I presume you're an alt of a main who I've played with before? How many games?

[Taly]

yeah, that's everybody I've played with before

we played together in student council; you were part of a hydra with alisae i was tracy flick

I was the first player who brought attention to the fact it may not be a straightforward elim.

i mean, i asked someone if they thought it was just an elimination beforehand,

I want Ulyana to come in and give non-setup takes before I give an opinion.

anything specific you want my take on?

Gamma's

a slot getting a lot of attention, is it warranted?

[Taly]

oh and hi

tracy

omg I'm so scattered with posts, I don't want to become a hyperposter.

[Taly]

Infinity

All of Pooky’s SRs feel valid
Typically if Pooky is town I end up thinking one or more of his SRs are bad

Peta/Prism/Ydrasse all seem like okay slots to sus rn

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

It's too early in the game to be voting someone because 'I don't think any of their paid actor reads are bad and I usually do' when Gamma has other valid suspicions.

It may just be inoptimal play over paid actor play though, since the reasons for his other suspicions are reasonable.

Only post that stuck out so far from them. I don't think

Saber/Gamma

is S-S.

Gamma

is approaching

"at threat of getting the chair"

aggro and I don't think a scumbuddy willingly incriminates themselves to defend a less than optimistic cause. At least, that's my presumption of a typical player I have no experience with.

The interpretation that

Gamma

is actually town means that

Saber

might be deepwolfing. But that's too stretchy to assume at this stage, and in poor faith.

I think

Saber

weighing the possibilities behind the posts that rile people up about

Gamma

is in good-faith, and likeliest town.

TLDR

T/T or T/S.

Saber

likely town.

[Taly]

i still lean towards gamma being scum here. i think his pooky vote was nonsense, his tilting seemed a little scummy to me, i think several times he has thrown out votes in a weak attempt to distract from himself, and he's just acting strange overall, which makes him a good place for my vote right now as I have 0 other suspects. the fact that he's obviously losing the argument i don't care so much about -- i know that some players are just not as good at 1v1s and being one of those myself i can sympathize. but, i'm not sure i see a sense that he believes in the points he's making, which i do care about.

Gamma

has pinged me with his posts in the past pages, but I don't want to press a sore. I think his frustration and

"wtf"

-aura is NAI and genuine, even if the reason is not.

Ask me a question!

[Taly]

for ydrasse and pooky

<3

you weren't really lowering my whim, i am just ... uh, sensitive to say the least so pls don't take it like that

i am feeling better now about stuff so it's all good!

I believe this response is town-indicative.

[Taly]

My reservation with

Prism's

slot feels unfounded at this point. It's mainly just picking up on the notion that they're an extremely capable player and I don't want to townbin them prematurely.

But they're definitely not a slot I want to risk elimination.

So in-thread assumed-Masons/Hydra with

Prism

it is!

p-edit

Taly, what do you think of Cakez rn? I feel like him being low-impact early is pretty strange in general but slightly scum-indicative based on recent meta

Forgot

Cakez

was in this game tbh. Unsure whether the low-impact is intentional or not, but I won't assume the former unless there's evidence to the contrary.

[Taly]

also what does everyone think abt infinity?

She is either really wanting some direction and team-centered play here or is using my answers to determine how to maneuver this game.

The latter being the less-likely town interpretation.

My interaction with her has been helpful to me. Plus, I've actively prompted

Infinity

to engage on me with in this level, and cannot speak to outside influences that my actually impact how she plays usually. 535 So I lean town.

The only glaring critique is the

"

Gamma

doesn't feel scum to"

to

"I'll trust

Prism

"

in less than 100 posts being an unexpected shift but that's on a surface-level and does align with her mentality to the game right now based on other posts.

What do you mean by

"off"

?

[Taly]

or is using my answers to determine how to maneuver this game.

what do u mean by this?

That the questions toward me are geared to inform her on how to behave instead of solve.

[Taly]

I scunread Gamma but u don't want the day to end just yet

I have a bad migraine and am borderline incomprehensible. Hope u can still make work today

[Taly]

Ugghhh duck

[Taly]

Mindmeld on Prisms solve first time I read but ceph/cakez S-S too early to comment about

[Taly]

Ow

[Taly]

I want a bunch of buff, swol, srronk men to pick me up and take me away from this nightmare called sdulting

I am so disengaged from this game.

Yo you are we besties? You're an alt who knows me jt seems

[Taly]

Pocketed ig. I'll figure you out yrt

Also fuck the phone light bye lovelies

[Taly]

Saber talk yomeeee

[Taly]

Dwweeeeeleleleleleelelelelele

[Taly]

Gamma

, mistakes happen.

The best thing you can do is communicate and listen to

Prism

in private if she allows. Nobody is served by you beating yourself up over this, and you're only hurting yourself. I know you can't just say

"stop being mean to yourself"

and that goes away... I have first hand experience with that.

But focus on a solution that fortifies your integrity rather than berates it. It can hurt to try, but medicine usually doesn't taste good anyway.

[Taly]

Now for a tonal shift~

yo guys, Prism² here, will catch up when i catch up

Hey

Gypyx

!!!

Hope you townread me like 90% of the time people have mentioned me this game - including your predecessor.

I mean, this is the ONLY time I can be UTR with almost no drawback!! I doubt scum get an NK. So my presence actively weakens them.

[Taly]

Hope you townread me like 90% of the time people have mentioned me this game - including your predecessor.

what is the point of saying this in this way?

Shhh, I'm trying to read

Gypyx

.

[Taly]

Now for a tonal shift~

yo guys, Prism² here, will catch up when i catch up

Hey

Gypyx

!!!

Hope you townread me like 90% of the time people have mentioned me this game - including your predecessor.

I mean, this is the ONLY time I can be UTR with almost no drawback!! I doubt scum get an NK. So my presence actively weakens them.

well that's pretty poggers of ya, i'll have a look at things by myself but fine with following the trend in place there

any advice on where to read specifically?

Ceph/Cakez/Galron/Toog sound like good slots to prod

Or you could look at players that personally give me fuzzy warm vibes: Infinity/Pooky/Ydra/Saber

I can't name specific pages for this game. It's easiest to look at users.

[Taly]

btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

Gamma's

posting towards

Prism

contributed but it's no longer the main thing that contributes to my scumread on him.

Spoiler: Taly's Aggro Going From 1 to 100

1.

It's the constant reactivity and image of giving in when there's pressure 375 411 and 414.

2.

The presumption of a truce despite that not aligning with anything

Prism's

mentioned 622 and 630

(this is something I've had exclusively scum-aligned players do to pacify me when I've 1v1'd them)

.

3.

Targeting

Pooky

for

agreeing

with his solve and

supporting it

275, 285, 288, and 290.

4.

The vote hopping 385 434 595 660 that are either based on an idea or suspicion another person voiced or doubling down on a scumread when prompted to.

5.

602 does not read like a townie who thinks they're TvTing because it's based on how so many other players decide to play.

Of course, most of this could be aggravated by

Prism V Gamma

, but I don't see this play come from frustrated-town

Gamma

. I've seen it more from caught

Gamma

-scum.

If I didn't want to still have proper conversations with SirCakez, Toogeloo, Pooky, you, Galron, Dunnstral, and Saber before EoD or fearful of yet another distracting 1v1:
I would have L2'd him by now.

But I honestly hope you don't read this entire post until you're well into catching up! It'd spoil the fruits of your untainted mind on the game.

[Taly]

[Taly]

DWLEE

. OMG.

[Taly]

I have an answer to your 968. I may have p-edited you.

[Taly]

All caught up. Free to be of assistance, Taly.

VOTE: Gamma

I'll get back to you on 780, Dwlee. I'm skimming through the script of the previous show Radio Buzz to see if I can ascertain any differences.

How do you feel about

Cakez-Toog-Cephrir

?

[Taly]

pooooooookyyyyyyyy <3

in-thread hydra? pleases?

[Taly]

I'll sit on the chair. If I get powers, I super swear to use em for good!

Mind educating me on that

peta

read?

[Taly]

Nah Toog is worse than usual here like someone else said

if u want to push me u should probably stop agreeing with my posts

FUCK


why are you bussing all your buddies Ceph?

me wanna no how u got to dat conclusion.

me never playd w

ceph

b4 n recent memoe, so tells me!

[Taly]

GALRON

I THINK YOU ARE

-----

.

Want t

o play

elim-the-

scummer

wordpl

ay edition

?

[Taly]

VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

What if it is kingmaker and they are scum?
Your reasoning doesn't add up here

VOTE: Sircakez

would more gifs, music videos, and anime references get you to come talk to meeeee?~

[Taly]

Maybe

Toog

or

Ceph

but their avatars are too cuuuuuute for me to risk the chair

<3

[Taly]

I keep forgetting

peta

is in this game. Hiding!

How do you feel about your odds of winning this game?

[Taly]

Wtf phone post

I said Hi!

[Taly]

Actually nvm "hiding" brings character to the post

Pedit

Eep!

[Taly]

Or you could look at players that personally give me fuzzy warm vibes: Infinity/Pooky/Ydra/Saber

taly why are you liking ydra here?

I mainly just liked how they reassured me of their emotions and connected when I sent GIFs. It felt genuine. I know that that's not exclusively a town move, but it makes me want to just vibe with the slot longer.

I don't much like how

Ydra

seems to focus a good portion on how people are reading her, but I don't have the heart or time to act on that at the moment.

[Taly]

Taly's probably my strongest contestant for how pure and cheerful he is and how he encourages players to engage and play the game in fun ways. There's almost an agenda in the way he posts, but the agenda is to get everyone to post more and have fun which would be quite disadvantageous as a stagehand. The Gamma case was also very good.

I saw you asked me a question earlier Taly and I'll go dig it up tomorrow, I need to sleep soon.

Hehe yay

This rose my wim. Thank you.

[Taly]

I keep forgetting

peta

is in this game. Hiding!

How do you feel about your odds of winning this game?

hi, things got very uncomfortable for me this afternoon so i stepped away from the game but i'm working my way back into it


right now i'm very undecided on my odds of winning, it's early day 1 and i still feel very uncertain both in terms of my own reads and the gamestate. i'm certainly not pessimistic though. is there a reason you asked this particular question?

It's as much about the gamestate as it is your answer. I feel confident that

Gamma

is scum, I hope the chair leads to his elimination, and I feel at ease enough with the playerlist to assert my thoughts and have reasonable conversation.

I don't know the path but I'm faithful the destination is where I want to be.

By asking you, I see both how you feel about this game and how hopeful you are in its progression. Very good late game answer to analyze.

[Taly]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

[Taly]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the

vote

, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

[Taly]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

I agree with leashing him in some form.... everything after the "who" part is where you lost me.

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

There are no power roles so there's no real reason to do this

I disagree. What if someone had a thought or question they wanted to get out before EoD? I mean, it's unrealistic to have everybody approve of when to end the day

But I've certainly seen many votes reach capacity before I was ready for EoD and they don't historically play out to my preference.

I voice this out of courtesy.

[Taly]

whatever. Just eliminate me within the next hour or so so I can cry myself to sleep.

I get the sense that my pressure is giving you a lot of actual stress, I am sorry.

[Taly]

GALRON

I THINK YOU ARE

-----

.

Want t

o play

elim-the-

scummer

wordpl

ay edition

?

5 letters, starts with a p.

No "P" is found :3 _ _ _ _ _

[Taly]

I have to go to bed.

Intent to hammer Gamma tomorrow morning

I mainly want to give Gypyx time to catch up more.

[Taly]

That's around ~10 hr unless someone wants to break my plea for order x_x

Night!

[Taly]

I would've liked to see ANY type of counter to my case on Gamma.... I get it was spoilered but I don't feel differently than I did last night.

[Taly]

Phoneposting on break with what feels to be another migraine coming in - or sinus infection? No fever yet though.

Quick thoughts

Ceph's frustration about being at the bottom of the reading totem pole rings genuine but I don't know if that is AI or what the alignment would be yet.

First impulse is that scum doesn't openly admit that they're very low effort by justifying how and why the game is stale. Doubly so for the sincerity of their vote on Gamma since there was no half asked excuse that they are definitively scum.. If Galron was scum, why go against my wishes about hammering intention?

If Galron is who I think he is, he is a very competent player. But I don't think a pre-emptive BoP based on questionable alt hunting skills is the next step for me to approach the slot. So I don't feel compelled to vote there.

Peta and skitter feel good to townbin.

I don't follow Pooky's read progression of Gamma.

Dwlee flip sounds increasingly attractive but not quite feeling the drive to push that.

Dunn quickwagon pinged.

Gamma looks better but I wish he would engage with my points about him being scum. It feels like an admission of guilt to let my suspicion go unresolved since he townreads me with such confidence.

[Taly]

If Galron was scum, why **NOT** go against my wishes about hammering intention?

Oopsiss my brain has hit its limt

[Taly]

Taly what are you going to get out of mislimming me exactly?

Clarity on how you actually play because after multiple games you still bewilder me.

No but really, I see 2 ways to interpret your note that I'd mislim you and only one gives me a good vibe.

I don't need you to tell me your alignment I need you to tell me how I can best read you?

[Taly]

Oh wow I do kind of sound snipy lmao

Maybe people are right when they say I can be aggressive

[Taly]

Dwleleleeleelelrrllelrlelelelelrrlflgkrkrleldjfjfjbyssidhdkfoelejeudoelleke

[Taly]

I'm OK with Gamma's response. I'll step away from that topic for a bit.

Can someone carry me this next page?

[Taly]

HELP, I AM LOST DEFENSELESS TOWNIE WHOS BEAK IS TOO BIG FOR THEM TO MOVE SO THEY NEED TO BE CARRIED.

[Taly]

What happened to the multiple people who were willing to hammer Gamma?

Gypyx unvoted before I woke to hammer.

[Taly]

Gamma had an opportunity to vote himself into the chair though.

So the theory that they are playing to get into the chair is probably incorrect regardless (though that doesn't necessarily make him town because the chair isn't necessarily or even likely to be good)

I hate this from Dunnstral

100 points for anyone who can figure out why I hate this

Dunn

presumes that scum-

Gamma

would want the chair and therefore could be informed?

[Taly]

Gamma had an opportunity to vote himself into the chair though.

So the theory that they are playing to get into the chair is probably incorrect regardless (though that doesn't necessarily make him town because the chair isn't necessarily or even likely to be good)

I hate this from Dunnstral

100 points for anyone who can figure out why I hate this

Dunn

presumes that scum-

Gamma

would want the chair and therefore could be informed?

[Taly]

I swear I got pedited by 50 people

[Taly]

If Galron was scum, why **NOT** go against my wishes about hammering intention?

Oopsiss my brain has hit its limt

i was a little confused by the prior version of this lol >.>

and, well, why would he do that after you explicilty asked people not to. would just needlessly call attention to himself

man so many pedits >.>

Oh right

Wow. I actually have thread influence this game.

[Taly]

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

[Taly]

Saber, masons?

[Taly]

What happened to the multiple people who were willing to hammer Gamma?

Gamma had an opportunity to vote himself into the chair though.

So the theory that they are playing to get into the chair is probably incorrect regardless (though that doesn't necessarily make him town because the chair isn't necessarily or even likely to be good)

I hate this from Dunnstral

100 points for anyone who can figure out why I hate this

Dunn

presumes that scum-

Gamma

would want the chair and therefore could be informed?

I'm not presuming anything, I'm responding to the idea that scum gamma was trying to get into the chair. I'm pointing out that he had a chance to get into the chair if he wanted to.

Then your confusion with

Gamma

not getting flipped perplexes me even further. What even is your read of the slot and why were you interested in ending this event phase quickly?

[Taly]

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

can everyone just maybe talk to me instead of this

like

yeah

I don't receive much from your posts to be honest. Some of your opinions and ideas come from a mindset that seems more survivalistic than solving.

[Taly]

I'm not sure what you're getting at but I never said any of that.

Then why was it painful to call attention to the vote counter? I'm trying to understand the benefit to a quicker elimination on

Gamma

was.

I don't receive much from your posts to be honest. Some of your opinions and ideas come from a mindset that seems more survivalistic than solving.

okay well i'm town who would like to play future minigames and am not particularly strong at solving without information and currently your method of sorting me is flipping me so maybe try something else

This is exactly my point.

You expect me to know your alignment to be town but that is unclear. Don't you think it's more productive for you to tell me your current POV of the game even if you're not confident in it?

[Taly]

shiki isn't usually this confident/even confrontational as scum

(Tonally I feel townpings but I want to see her reply.)

[Taly]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

I agree with leashing him in some form.... everything after the "who" part is where you lost me.

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

There are no power roles so there's no real reason to do this

I disagree. What if someone had a thought or question they wanted to get out before EoD? I mean, it's unrealistic to have everybody approve of when to end the day

But I've certainly seen many votes reach capacity before I was ready for EoD and they don't historically play out to my preference.

I voice this out of courtesy.

Not every mafia game needs to be painful

Then what was this post aimed at? Not my reply?

[Taly]

I'm a sucker for this stuff but ulyana calling players out for not asking for her view or opinions before saying they want to flip her has a certain towny righteousness to it.

My work is done.

[Taly]

Then what was this post aimed at? Not my reply?

No that wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at Prism and Gamma.

All right then!

[Taly]

Excellent fishmongering.

[Taly]

I think Galron is afraid of doing something scummy.

One of Taly's earlier posts struck me that way too.

Mind sharing which post struck you so? I'm really curious tbh

[Taly]

I keep forgetting peta is in this game. Hiding!

How'd you forget, you asked me about my vote on them like 10 posts up from this one, lol.

@Pooky... Is it fair to say the only way to tell if you are town or scum is to cut you open and see if there is white fuzzy stuffing, or a hollow empty shell?

A chaotic attention span, like just now seeing this post in your ISO!

Wait. Now I feel like I'm playing Mafia... /ugh

That's the idea, panda.

[Taly]

I usually look at ISOs on a whim or if I'm trying to scroll and see peoples posts easier or ones I may have missed. It helps me when I want to post link or double check if what I read matches with what I interpreted at the time.

I even ISO myself to look back at a post.

[Taly]

So this accelerates my progression with

Galron.

Forget the scummer word game,

Galron

, do you mind if I openly guess your alt? Is there a way I would know who if I'm correct?

[Taly]

why do you think galron is an alt :/

Because he said we played in the beetle game and that wasn't his user. So I probably know

Galron

by their alt.

[Taly]

So this accelerates my progression with

Galron.

Forget the scummer word game,

Galron

, do you mind if I openly guess your alt? Is there a way I would know who if I'm correct?

I'm sure you got it. It would throw Pooky off because he has played with me being scum before, and I don't think there's a noticeable difference.

Then why do you feel so unimpassioned this game? That aligns more with what I predict scum-you is, but it's not like you've tried to gain thread control or assert your viewpoints on setup beyond speculation (which is a trait I believe is NAI of you but that's the difference in this game and

Dung Beetle

, so I don't know how to read you.).

p-edit

Ugh, nobody mentioned L-1.

There's currently 3 people I'd rather chair than

Galron

at the moment.

[Taly]

Galron

, do you think I'm suggestable to AtE?

[Taly]

Fuck.

Now there's 6 people I'd rather chair than you.

[Taly]

UGH I STILL DON'T RECOGNIZE

CHIPTUNE MAFIA'S

EXISTENCE.

[Taly]

haha no worries I was half-joking. Not actually mad about it.

Not one of my best games.

[Taly]

So this accelerates my progression with

Galron.

Forget the scummer word game,

Galron

, do you mind if I openly guess your alt? Is there a way I would know who if I'm correct?

I'm sure you got it. It would throw Pooky off because he has played with me being scum before, and I don't think there's a noticeable difference.

Then why do you feel so unimpassioned this game? That aligns more with what I predict scum-you is, but it's not like you've tried to gain thread control or assert your viewpoints on setup beyond speculation (which is a trait I believe is NAI of you but that's the difference in this game and

Dung Beetle

, so I don't know how to read you.).

p-edit

Ugh, nobody mentioned L-1.

There's currently 3 people I'd rather chair than

Galron

at the moment.

Let me ask this. We played two beetle games. One I was town, the other scum. Did you notice any differences between those two? And how about each of those versus this one?

You hold your townreads closer to your chest as town.
You're far more flexible with your thinking on a setup as town even if you do not agree with how other people's takes on it are.
AtE feels like a visceral reaction from you as town whereas it becomes a point to heighten your charisma when you have an agenda to assert as scum.
Actually, your rigidity as scum is more likely to bleed into how you're reading the game. You use readslist as a way to position yourself and gauge for how other's will perceive you.

You have nothing to gain by rejecting a relatively easy pocket in me.
You seem pretty unmoved over the fact that people give you shit about the

GammaVYou

gladiate not pushing you to actively eliminate him, and you still only vote apathetically. As if, because you can reason why a

Gamma

-counter is getting so much attention, you'll entertain what comes of that since you don't feel strongly either way.
You respected my wishes to not hammer.

[Taly]

Honestly wtf

Why does

Galron

have votes again?

[Taly]

Gamma/Galron

has at max 1 scum.

[Taly]

so from your pov what have scum been doing this phase?

Is it impossible that both wagons have been largely town-led regardless of

Gamma/Galron's

alignment? It's almost a distraction to consider what the scumteam as a whole could be doing D1 in this game because they have more information of the chair than the rest of plist.

What do you think the scum has been doing this game?

You’re HIGH if you don’t think SOMETHING hinky is going on with Galron. The timing of his vote on me makes ZERO sense.

See, I don't like this AtE,

Gamma

.

You have to reason with me WHY the voting is weird when there's been plenty of votes, unvotes, and revotes that haven't even been discussed?

[Taly]

so from your pov what have scum been doing this phase?

Matadoring Gamma's wagon.

I understand this as scum targeting

Gamma's

mislim?

How do you feel about

Pooky

wanting the vote to come down to both of you, then?

[Taly]

Dunn

is a good person to chair imo but it's partially why he's been so absent. I don't think I'd get much from his flip. He feels LHF. Does someone have a meta-take?

[Taly]

every1 needs to stop wasting time and just vote one of galron/gamma

if you think galron/gamma are T/T then make your case

lets get going

VOTE: Galron
I still think this is a misyeet but it's pretty clearly locked between us two here.

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be. But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense. Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

Look at this and then look at what Galron has posted more recently. I don’t see any reason for his view of the game to have shifted besides pure survival instinct, in which case why the fuck didn’t he shift sooner? It’s because he’s scum who was hoping his refusal to act would get him off the hook.

VOTE: Galron
I still think this is a misyeet but it's pretty clearly locked between us two here.

How are these two plays different again?

[Taly]

I don't remember a time where

Galron

actively townread you. I mainly remember him saying that if you were scum, then your team sucks.

[Taly]

Rain check on

Cakez

for the chair?

[Taly]

Galron

, how do you feel about

Saber

?

[Taly]

omg I won't be around much longer, I'd rather not make a decision tomorrow.

[Taly]

Why ask me about Saber in particular?

Only person I can see a potential S-S with you.

But I townread you both though.

Pedit

What Uly said.

[Taly]

Mhm. Top tier scum team. Taly clones + Saber

[Taly]

Nah pooky haha.

Do you think my worries are unfounded?

[Taly]

Mmmmmm. Not pacified on that end but I keep coming back to this as the most informative flip, or at least a chair decision I want to see.

If you're town

Gamma

, I'm sorry and hope something good happens instead of bad.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L1.

[Taly]

VOTE: Spare

Ask my input on anything,

Gamma

.

[Taly]

Still pissed pooky died :/

[Taly]

I tried to be clear about who I wasn't shooting because I wanted to discuss. Which, since I'm not on mute rn, now is a great time to do so I'd say. I'll fetch a quick list of names of people I want to have pointed discussions with.
Also, Akarin was killed in amogus for being active and TRed. Aside from me, Pooky was the most active player, and even aside from the fact I was the one in the seat, I wasn't really that widely TRed at the time that call was made. Aside from that no one came really within striking distance of my post count.

I can see 2 possibilities-

1. I could have shit reads. Scum are not very threatened by my voice at the moment.
2. Pooky was the first townie (assuming he is) to accurately predict the kingmakwe utility and the scum hated that. It makes sense why scum would rear so harshly on the side of surmising the chair is a negative thing, then. Perhaps they had no plans to sabotage at all D1.
3. They wanted an unlikely kill to prevent town from catching anyone in particular.

It could be multiple or all factors.

[Taly]

2. Pooky was the first townie (assuming he is) to accurately predict the kingmakwe utility and the scum hated that.

so you also did not think, OH! pooky!town when reading the second event??

I think he is very likely town. But I'll let the flip say.

It would definitely be a bizarre gambit for scum to kill their own, but not impossible; theoretically.

[Taly]

i don't think pooky was killed because of mech spec lol


although he is shockingly good at guessing the twists in these roller coaster ride games


he was killed because he was highly motivated and obvious town who is capable of dominating a thread and often has good reads

it's an obvious and boring answer and i don't know that there's a lot of insight to be gleaned from it

Pooky did have great thread influence this game.

He wanted event one to end before page 70, and it did.

[Taly]

I liked the sound of

peta's

idea of having people commit to reads before continuing. A good way to catch liars.

But now I don't want that.

I think scum can very easily use the town's reads as a guide on how to play, and part of me wonders if Event Two sabotage would've happened had

Gamma

just instavoted someone.

I think the spontaneity of the game is universally more effective for town.

2. Pooky was the first townie (assuming he is) to accurately predict the kingmakwe utility and the scum hated that.

so you also did not think, OH! pooky!town when reading the second event??

I think he is very likely town. But I'll let the flip say.

It would definitely be a bizarre gambit for scum to kill their own, but not impossible; theoretically.

That would be short term gain for long term loss IMO.

Same. Which is why I'll just assume

Pooky

is town until otherwise.

[Taly]

IE, if y'all want me to contribute until Event Three, call me.

[Taly]

IE, if y'all want me to contribute until Event Three, call me.

OK, this is really boring and I don't want to be a wallflower.

Can y'all give me questions and prompts?

[Taly]

IE, if y'all want me to contribute until Event Three, call me.

OK, this is really boring and I don't want to be a wallflower.

Can y'all give me questions and prompts?

If you can't find the questions sitting out there, I don't know what to tell you. There are so many unknowns I'm questioning everything.

I can't tell if you're genuinely trying to make me critically think or reinforce my own uncertainties about the game.

Your posts aren't adding substance or a new perspective to what we already know, which I scumread.

[Taly]

IE, if y'all want me to contribute until Event Three, call me.

OK, this is really boring and I don't want to be a wallflower.

Can y'all give me questions and prompts?

If you can't find the questions sitting out there, I don't know what to tell you. There are so many unknowns I'm questioning everything.

I can't tell if you're genuinely trying to make me critically think or reinforce my own uncertainties about the game.

Your posts aren't adding substance or a new perspective to what we already know, which I scumread.

Really don't understand this. We have two events, three I guess, where town had no idea what the outcome would be. And you're accusing me of engraining doubt into your process. If it's redundant for you, fine. Scum read me. But as far as I'm concerned it's kind of wide open as to what happened, and in my search for understanding, your impugning my thoughts is a significant distraction because I town read you, and I think you're pretty swift. If I have to convince the most town read player that the events could have a number of motivations/rules behind them, I don't know what to say.

OK, I yield.

[Taly]

Gamma

, I encourage you to focus attention on other slots.

[Taly]

As an ode to

Pooky

, I'll shitpost in his stead.



This is and has been my favorite song for years!

[Taly]

me trying to summon the one person who has yet to comment:

Saber

.

[Taly]

I don't know,

Infinity

, how do

you

feel about

Saber

?

Nah, but, my thoughts on

Saber

don't reach a confident conclusion. They are

net

town

, like my reads on

Gamma

,

you

, and

Galron

Essentially, I townread each of you as I look at you as a whole, but I either have or had tangible reasons to suspect each of your slots.

None of these suspicions alone are enough to entice me to act on them, because they fall under very biased territory for suspicion like for instance:

Ex.

I feel like I am hard-paranoia BoPing

Galron

here, he has fooled or defeated me TWICE when he's been scum. He also has a candid insight into my playstyle that I think many people overlook.

Ex.

I've warmed up to

Gamma

enough in the past couple pages that I feel like I've effectively mislimmed him and fortunately failed.

Ex.

I do not think I've faced you with this tone in a mafia game before

Infinity

, and I actually do think you have solid reads and a good vibing energy, but I haven't seen any bite.

Saber

sounds like what I would believe competent scum trying to pocket me looks like. She seems very confident in her read on me and works well with me more so than I'd say most of the playerlist. She's also good at countering my point on her and

Galron

EoD, but she feels tonally secure even with pressure applied. I don't have experience with them, so I feel like my head is spinning on it too much and that they're just strong town.

Honestly, without spoiling my other 3-6 townreads, I'd say that I feel very good about the prospect of you all being town. I just don't know how to best approach any slot in this gamestate. I feel like I've said too much already.

I'm mainly taking jabs and saying shit to get a read from other people, even with posts directed at one of you guys.

[Taly]

Being UTR is a trajectory that I commonly fall into, especially in larger playerlists.

I find it increases my blindspot read radius, unfortunately.

[Taly]

It's like you're twirling around and your head head is spinning and the crowd chants as you lose grip with the situation because you can't differentiate between whether

the player

townreads

Taly

or

the thread

townreads

Taly

.

[Taly]

Merchant's Daughter

and

Among Us

mafia (before I rep'd due to life circumstances) are really good examples of this.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85156
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78670

[Taly]

What are people waiting for prior to beginning the next event?

[Taly]

hmm yeah i've felt that way before on the rare occasion i have been utr. i understand why you want to engage with people so much!

i feel like saber felt quite towny early on, but as event 1 went on i didn't like how tunneled she felt on gamma even when he started posting townier. i'd like to know her thoughts on gamma now. she's high in my PoE i guess.

one thing that i'm sort of wondering about is when exactly people changed their mind about gamma. i feel like a lot of the towniness he showed after he was hammered there were signs of after prism replaced out. i wonder if/how people disagree with this. i do think there are legitimate town reasons to miss or disagree that the posts pre-phase 2 were towny.

i feel like i have too many townreads, this always happens and idk what to do

All right, who do you think could be pulling the wool over your eyes?

[Taly]

Merchant's Daughter

and

Among Us

mafia (before I rep'd due to life circumstances) are really good examples of this.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85156
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78670

In that Among Us game, you said something about feeling frustrated when people don't even acknowledge you when you give reads. I kind of feel like that with this game, but I've really given no reads. It seems people aren't understanding why I don't have reads. In fact, I've picked up more reads from the two after events than from Day 1.

How can I help you feel more understood?

[Taly]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Taly]

taly who is fooling me

Likely someone who is mid-tier in your reads. I would not question higher placing reads at the moment, but your solve on the other page is incorrect.

Do you think scum is LHF this game?

[Taly]

Outside of

Gamma V Galron

,

Pooky

directed majority of his attention, more so EoD, to

Saber/Dunn/Peta

. I think that contributed to his NK.

[Taly]

Galron looks bad but my worry is that scum are bamboozling us and it's just a red herring

Cakez

, what made you think he was a red herring and do you still believe so?

Think

Gamma/Galron T/T

aligns with the current game?

p-edit

hm, anyone feeling any different about the spare now?

Not feeling

Gamma's

vote but I'm still glad we took the potential benefit.

[Taly]

We won't know the benefit.

Trust these people until the end of time: Taly, Infinity, Skitter, Ydrasse, Sircakez
Good folks to keep around: Gypyx, Petapan
Could do with a touching-up: Dunnstral, Dwlee, Ulyana
Remove them from the premises: Saber, Galron, Toogeloo

I think I’m sitting somewhere around here?
FYI I kinda felt like Saber’s response to my question about the progression on me felt a little sus

I'd drop

Peta, Ydra, and Dunn

all down a tier.

[Taly]

Gamma

, I'm curious why you townread me. I feel that I've actively given you reasons to not trust me or for you to believe that I am taking you in poor faith.

I'd drop Peta, Ydra, and Dunn all down a tier.

so you both think... sircakez is definitely town here?

Nah, I actually have several more changes I'd make with

Gamma's

list, I just only said those.

[Taly]

Nah, I actually have several more changes I'd make with Gamma's list, I just only said those.

hm, why did that one seem not important to mention? i am wondering because it is very very much not in line with any of your posted views towards cakez as far as i can tell

Because 1960 is something I really want

Cakez

to respond to and I don't want other posts I make about him to influence how he answers.

UNVOTE:

I read it wrong.

I presume you have tangible reads based off the events though. No strong vote anywhere?

[Taly]

Gamma, I'm curious why you townread me. I feel that I've actively given you reasons to not trust me or for you to believe that I am taking you in poor faith.

It’s honestly similar logic to my Ydrasse TR. Your scumgame is kinda flat, and I feel like you’ve actually been pretty engaged.
When I read people, if I have a tell I consider reliable, I will utilize that tell at the expense of all others basically. So despite there being points where you could have been seen as not interacting honestly with me, I’m checking that against the fact that your WIM this game feels honest.

What's the reliable tell with

Ydra

?

[Taly]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

[Taly]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

Your cause of pressuring Cakez?

Voting Dunn

[Taly]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

Your cause of pressuring Cakez?

Voting Dunn

Why do you prefe Dunnstral over Cakez?

I think

Pooky

had a good read on him in that post you quoted not long ago, and I'm currently deliberating on my read with

SirCakez

as his recent posts haven't pinged me.

[Taly]

Outside of

Gamma V Galron

,

Pooky

directed majority of his attention, more so EoD, to

Saber/Dunn/Peta

. I think that contributed to his NK.

there is like

a lot of personal history w/r/t me/pooky you are not privy to

and that was playing into how he interacted with me

i just think you should be aware because i think how he treated me looks wildly different to someone with no context

Then give me context?

[Taly]

Haha. I want

Dunn and Peta

to be the duelists.

[Taly]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

Your cause of pressuring Cakez?

Voting Dunn

Why do you prefe Dunnstral over Cakez?

I think

Pooky

had a good read on him in that post you quoted not long ago, and I'm currently deliberating on my read with

SirCakez

as his recent posts haven't pinged me.

I think Cakez is avoiding my slot because he couldn't make a case on me. I'm more willing to vacate Cakez, but I will consider Dunnstral.

What about

Peta

?

[Taly]

Outside of

Gamma V Galron

,

Pooky

directed majority of his attention, more so EoD, to

Saber/Dunn/Peta

. I think that contributed to his NK.

there is like

a lot of personal history w/r/t me/pooky you are not privy to

and that was playing into how he interacted with me

i just think you should be aware because i think how he treated me looks wildly different to someone with no context

Then give me context?

how long do you have?

Until deadline of course.

[Taly]

I'm mindmelding strongly with

Saber

. I think it's best I lean in and refrain from suspicion here. I did notice that she hasn't touched my recent posts on her.

I think I'd prefer

peta

over

Dunn

at the moment. I did not like his interaction with

Galron

at all.

[Taly]

Despite my qualms, the amount of effort and being top poster by a long shot is quite unlikely to come from a stagehand, though. Contestants dominate that statistic a lot. I may just dislike his erratic playstyle.

Do you find a benefit of the doubt with slots like

Dunn/Peta/Galron

?

[Taly]

skitter30

I think infinity is evil here

based on

Tonal read

really


REALLY

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

you think dwlee about to be flipped or…?

no just

down the line


anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up

This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.

shut the fuck up wolf

If that's what you want to do, that's fine.

Every reply from

peta

in this dialogue chain pings me more than the previous.

1934 sounds like challenging

Dwlee's

read on

Infinity

but 1935 throws me off from this idea because

peta's

focus shifts from defending

Infinity

to being scumread based off the idea

Dwlee

is town...

But

Dwlee

seems more closely in

peta's

PoE than not, so why set an expectation that

Dwlee

must be town for him to avoid scrutiny? The framing of the situation doesn't make sense to me and possibly informed. So I figured the post was self-conscious in the interest of

peta's

defense, not

Infinity's

. Which is a weird stance to take for town who disagrees with another townread being suspected.

The 1938 post does nothing to sway me from my above thought process. Why would

peta

be concerned with

"down-the-line"

when the setup was very unclear? Sure, he could be mislim bait, but there doesn't seem to be a binary elimination setup so far, so this post reads more of just

"stop paying attention to me"

more than

"I don't want to be misunderstood."

And when

Galron

actually calls him out on this, the aggression in 2025 feels very disproportional to the situation. If

peta

wasn't worried about being viewed as informed (in the idea that he actually wasn't), why does he spend energy trying to dismiss and antagonize someone he already scumreads? It reads in bad faith, and by this point, I've lost trust in most of

peta's

intention in the dialogue tree.

[Taly]

Also, I have absolutely no clue if

Dunn

is reading this game beyond every two or third post that mentions him.

This isn't a slight at all, I just can't feel compelled to think he's town because he's returned to the exact same conversations as the previous game phases, and has added no additional content. The coasting feels scummy because it has worked in his favor.

[Taly]

Most vocal stagehand or suspicions from Pooky I can see are on Gamma, Dunnstral, and petapan. He also supported a S-S theory for the two leading wagons.

just gonna point out that even though i townread gamma at this point we technically we haven't really seen anything that disproves s/s

if they were actually svs wagons picking your partner and then sabotaging the flip is a great way to make you look unaligned in that situation

While I agree with this, a

Gamma/Galron

duel feels both like something scum would predict and a rehash from the chair vote. I'd like to see new contestants in the hot seat.

[Taly]

Kinda like dwlee. A lot of the same thoughts.

Do you think

Dwlee/peta

could be S-S?

[Taly]

Kinda like dwlee. A lot of the same thoughts.

Do you think

Dwlee/peta

could be S-S?

Why ask that when I just finished saying I liked dwlee?

oh ha, I misread, I thought you were like

"hmmm, I feel what you feel about

peta

but toward

dwlee

"

and wanted to see if I could rule out associatives in regard to sorting you so I asked about two slots I've been uncertain of, I made an oopsie.

D:<

Don't think people see what I see at the moment. I want someone to help me find clarity.

[Taly]

VOTE: petapan

[Taly]

Every reply from peta in this dialogue chain pings me more than the previous.

1934 sounds like challenging Dwlee's read on Infinity but 1935 throws me off from this idea because peta's focus shifts from defending Infinity to being scumread based off the idea Dwlee is town...

But Dwlee seems more closely in peta's PoE than not, so why set an expectation that Dwlee must be town for him to avoid scrutiny? The framing of the situation doesn't make sense to me and possibly informed. So I figured the post was self-conscious in the interest of peta's defense, not Infinity's. Which is a weird stance to take for town who disagrees with another townread being suspected.

The 1938 post does nothing to sway me from my above thought process. Why would peta be concerned with "down-the-line" when the setup was very unclear? Sure, he could be mislim bait, but there doesn't seem to be a binary elimination setup so far, so this post reads more of just "stop paying attention to me" more than "I don't want to be misunderstood."

And when Galron actually calls him out on this, the aggression in 2025 feels very disproportional to the situation. If peta wasn't worried about being viewed as informed (in the idea that he actually wasn't), why does he spend energy trying to dismiss and antagonize someone he already scumreads? It reads in bad faith, and by this point, I've lost trust in most of peta's intention in the dialogue tree.

taly respectfully this is hot nonsense and if you believe i'm an optimal kill over any of the people not playing it would be an absolute atrocity, especially when the case for me being scum here is so incredibly tenuous

preflip associatives are just awful to use and will lead you down a false path a majority of the time

first point: i wanted dwlee to elaborate on his scumread of infinity. "tonal read" is a really silly reason to be scumreading someone that deep into the game, but it also gives me nothing to work with. i didn't bother pressing him to elaborate, because i do not actually care what the reasoning behind a "tonal read" over 1000 posts into the game is. truthfully, him giving such a crappy explanation is probably +town but iwouldn't hang my hat on that

i already adressed the "down the line" point. it is nonsensical.

how the you read that exchange with galron and conclude

I'M

the one acting in bad faith, i have absolutely no idea

I just don't understand your tone in this situation. Your words make it out to be that any perspective outside of your own is ridiculously off-base, and I get the impression that that comes more from scum trying to articulate a favorable narrative rather than a frustrated town that doesn't feel like they're getting their due consideration.

Also, I'm not clearing

Galron's

intention as pure either, but you didn't check for that, you assumed it wasn't. If you really have such a strong conviction that

Galron

is scum, I want to hear, and I'd be doubly confused on why you vote

Ydrasse

here.

[Taly]

VOTE: ydrasse

i don't think we should really be worried too much about galron/ydrasse wanting to vote themselves, if they're scum there's a good chance they're just trying to make it seem like they want to be voted. it's unlikely the duel is actually a good thing

Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

And if they're town, why risk town eliminations?

I'm not voting

Galron

or

Ydrasse

unless they give me a better idea as to why I should other than

"I want this."

Why did Gamma shoot Cephrir instead of shoot Galron again?

Because he literally couldn't. Mod mentioned it.

[Taly]

Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

And if they're town, why risk town eliminations?

taly respectfully look at these two points and try to tell me what alignment you think we're supposed to be voting here

Scum, of course. But why scum under the notion that they'd want it? It seems like a contrast of interest.

~~~

<3

Stay well,

Galron

.

[Taly]

Hmmmm. I'm going to think on this.

[Taly]

My WIM is feeling low at the moment.

Unwnd, what posts against Gamma did you disagree with most?

[Taly]

My WIM is feeling low at the moment.

Unwnd, what posts against Gamma did you disagree with most?

You want me to do Homework?

Would prefer not to but if it would help your wim I would lol

It would help, but only if your goal is to help me understand your POV and not appease me.

i mean idk fmpov it's like

i'm not doing a lot but i'm not doing a lot that's scummy either so ... the people who are being pushed on a lot might be scum + the people pushing me are looking for ways to not be on partners

Did you bait yourself to be in the duel just to check who would bite?

id say youre a little towny

but thats at odds w how i see the game atm

unless it was t/t day 1

What about the game makes you consider

Gamma/Galron

a TvT less probable than the alternative?

Didn't you just say I looked towny too

Like wtf

'Yes I would shoot u'

Insincerity alarm.

idk

i always scumread infinity without fail

it's hard to know if i just scumread something abt her

i just felt like she should have more standing wrt experience to know that i do this as town

she did say it was towny omgus which feels valid

i had less of an expectation but some for peta to know i do this as town sometimes but it's in character for him to not care about it tbh as either alignment so i didn't get far

i do understand you can be playing this way as town i just cannot townread you for it

i know it's unfair to expect someone to have a consistent energy level every game because that stuff varies, and i get that when i want to play laid back and it's annoying

but even if you're not motivated i'm holding you to the standard where you need to show

something

more than what you've done to be town

and so i'm going to vote you until either you towntell or one of us is dead

peta

, I'm trying to townread you and these posts aren't making it easier.

I haven't been paying attention to Ydra this game.

So I started skimming and I lean town, and here's why:

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

In this game I don't see the falling off or the fluffy

Doubt

Ydra/Dunn

are S/S.

Despite my qualms, the amount of effort and being top poster by a long shot is quite unlikely to come from a stagehand, though. Contestants dominate that statistic a lot. I may just dislike his erratic playstyle.

Do you find a benefit of the doubt with slots like

Dunn/Peta/Galron

?

Not sure what you mean, can you rephrase the question?

Do you think any of your grievances with

Dunn/Peta/Galron (or now unwnd)

are attributable to town-related frustration or playstyle?

Nobody is scumreading Sircakez for being behind on the game

My read of him changes each time he posts.

I mean i feel like i need to try

That's the short answer

Yes peta i am but that doesn't mean I'm going to treat her Ike public enemy number one

This is our first interaction

I may also be viewing you through crimson-colored glassed because I thought Galron was a stagehand and the replacement didn't help my view of your slot.

The good faith is nice here.

sure, not much thought put into them tho, or at least, updated thoght

+5=IC // -5 = lockscum

petapan +0.75
ulyana +1
Ydrasse - 0.5
Saber +2
SirCakez idk
skitter30 +0.25
Infinity 324 +1.25
Toogeloo : i^n with n an integer
Galron -0.75
Dunnstral -0.5
Dwlee99 wait dwlee is in this game?
Taly +2.5
and Gamma Emerald! +3

Insincerity Alarm #2 beeps.

[Taly]

gamma

said something about

toog

being consenus? lol

[Taly]

I don't know how to read taly with meta*

I don't want to give you self-meta unless you ask for it. But otherwise, how can I help you read me better?

--

skitter

Am I tunneled on

peta

? I feel like their reaction my suspicion of then has just been dismissive and I don't like their complacency with voteparking on

ydra

.

[Taly]

Want to see

peta

duel? I'd like to make some traction.

[Taly]

I just feel disconnected at the moment because people are either townreading or shelving me but also find my POV uncompelling or do not engage with it. The two premises don't mix logically. I'm either wrong or someone is deceptive.

I don't know what to do here.

Also bothered that the two slots with replacement slots were also slots that I had a solid read trajectory on, which was disrupted.

I think my drive to punish slots I believe have been bad for thread health is obstructing my reads, being told "do something else" isn't vibing.

[Taly]

This game has just escalated to Loony Tunes level insanity.

[Taly]

Wait I think it's possible the people who get the gun can shoot anyone. And if the first person with gun doesn't shoot the other person then they also get a gun

if this was the case then the second person would have to shoot the first because one of them dies we know that

True !

VOTE: Taly

[Taly]

But not me for skirting around?

[Taly]

It is to you, doll. Just you.

[Taly]

I don't know how to read taly with meta*

I don't want to give you self-meta unless you ask for it. But otherwise, how can I help you read me better?

--

skitter

Am I tunneled on

peta

? I feel like their reaction my suspicion of then has just been dismissive and I don't like their complacency with voteparking on

ydra

.

I don't want meta, I want to figure things out from this game

I love that plan, man.

[Taly]

I hate it here lmao

After +100 pages, I am confident

Dwlee

is town.

[Taly]

Unwnd, if you're going to rip into my soul, type quicker.

I got a curfew.

[Taly]

I don't think there's a less fair interpretation of my game play this day phase than to suggest I'm complacent in remaining in the background.

[Taly]

Dunn

feels closer to town than earlier this phase. But I just don't like the taste of two scumreads I pushed on relatively lukewarm slots to diminish so quickly.

[Taly]

Peta's

latest reply to me was sound, though.

[Taly]

Gamma/Saber/Skitter/Gypyx

have good towncases but I feel like I'm reading another game than them.

[Taly]

I'm confused with

Ydra

. I had the thought that they wanted to be in a duel, so the persecution of

unwnd

feels hard to follow?

[Taly]

Uly

is void of scum motivation. I feel she would have trapped herself by now. She seems to be closer to a stream of consciousness type player and the rabbit holes she digs herself in do not feel fluffy because it is genuine.

[Taly]

I'm not compelled to vote

Toog

at the moment because I feel the argument of his alignment can come in the form as town or scum. His distance is NAI because he doesn't care to assuage any suspicion, and there is town and scum motive in that. Putting him in a duel feels very safe, which I distrust a little.

[Taly]

Cakez

feels theatrical but stiff. I wouldn't mind him being in the duel but I also worry about giving control to someone I currently suspect again.

Hell, I'd vote here if I wasn't trying to solve a few players.

[Taly]

Ready for

Saber/skitter/Gamma/Gypyx

to say something to me so my mind doesn't block them into the same category of

"build that

taly

-towncase while he spirals."

[Taly]

I hate it here lmao

After +100 pages, I am confident

Dwlee

is town.

I won't even question it

Good. Townlock confirmed.

[Taly]

Infinity

seems to genuinely be a buddy to me this game. I don't think they have ill intention with their posts and they've had plenty of opportunity to veil it.

[Taly]

Oh, what the hell.

VOTE: Cakez

The two-ended admission of bussing is very on the nose.

Plus my self-vote is at best distracting with less payoff the longer it is on.

[Taly]

Actually I'll be candid

I've always felt a bit odd that

Gypyx

was such a stark contrast from

Prism

in terms of a

Gamma

read. Surprised at how quickly that soothed

Gamma

of the slot. They seem to mindmeld but I don't know what they are actually mindmelding on.

Furthermore, I don't think a

Ceph

read from

Gamma

was much fleshed out prior to the shot.

I think it's a half-ass stance to BoP

Saber

as a means to not reach a conclusion. So I'll probably ISO her with the correct amount of time and motivation in play, and solidify a take.

Skitter

takes me in good faith as well as others despite having an opinion that doesn't align with the rest of the plist most of the time. I feel that its very likely that scum has wanted the decisions made on events 1 and 2, and that doesn't align with her EoD1 play.

[Taly]

Oh yay. I think I

willed

my WIM back up a notch.

Nighties.

[Taly]

i appreciate you taly gn

Infinity

seems to genuinely be a buddy to me this game.

did you bring me fishies?

• • • • show bread first

Yaya join me and

Dwlee

, we got cookies.

Gamma's

2782 checks out in the view of an uncritical, sleepy mind.

Going to bed now