Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

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im hungover

im also super tempted to vote for myself cuz this event sounds kinda fun

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

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Or, you could be town with a motive closer to mine in similarity.

And your motive is what?

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my guess for this game is that the chair gives the player the ability to pick today's elimination

my guess for the scum sabotage is that they can make it so the chair is a death trap and kills the person who sits in it.

That sounds like scum couldn't be eliminated day one though. Kinda unfun

Presumably the death trap part would happen after the choose a person to eliminate part, and wouldn't overwrite it

That's not me agreeing with the post, I'm not sure scum would be able to sabotage in a way that is "get an extra kill" for balance reasons

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We should proceed as if whoever we are voting for will die

And if they don't die, we can do something different with the rest of the day

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kinda disagree with that take

What is the downside?

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VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

What if it is kingmaker and they are scum?
Your reasoning doesn't add up here

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I'm a VT (Yes, I know we're all VTs. I wouldn't want some people jumping on me for not claiming that as per my "meta" /grin).

I was scum in that game

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I didn't want to believe that everybody advocating for self votes was town

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Uh we are not all VT

You're right. Anyone want to claim they aren't a VT?

I actually didn't read that part and was trying to draw a kill LMAO

What kill?

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I hope this is like amogus mafia and the night events are tasks

How am I supposed to interperet this?

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VOTE: dwlee
How do you know of among us mafia? Pretty sure you weren’t around for that.

I'm friends with Shea and he mentioned it the other day in a discord convo so I took a look at it

Ah. Makes enough sense.
VOTE: Pooky
His solve is almost

too

good

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

So do you think the 3 in 290 are scum or not?

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why are you taking this seriously?

He scoffed at me for suggesting we eliminate some one with 1 post lol.

Your initial suggestion was before they posted

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Why are we limming someone less than 24 hours into the game.

We aren't? We're just voting

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I don't get why Gamma is tilted all of a sudden

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C'mon gamma, you can't check out the first day of the game.

We had a problem with your viewpoint, not the fact that you were playing serious

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VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

What if it is kingmaker and they are scum?
Your reasoning doesn't add up here

VOTE: Sircakez

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Alright so I missed on a lot

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VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

What if it is kingmaker and they are scum?
Your reasoning doesn't add up here

VOTE: Sircakez

they only have so much control over it
if they exe someone who town doesn't generally agree needs death it still looks like shit

that said I see where you're coming from re; it not adding up for you

I'm not sure that you do?

It doesn't add up because you go from them being scum to them being town depending on what the chair does, with no in between.

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I'm just kind of in a holding position at the moment. My reads look something like this, if anyone wants to talk about them

Buckets are sorted roughly T->S.

Town
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Taly
Pooky

Townlean
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Saber
Infinity
ulyana
Ydrasse
skitter

Null
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petapan
Toogeloo
Galron
Dunnstral
Dwlee99

Scumlean
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SirCakez
Cephrir          

Scum
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Gamma Emerald    

I'm interested in hearing about Cephrir being scummy

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VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

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I'm evil because I disagree with you is a lame take

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Spoiler:

Hope you townread me like 90% of the time people have mentioned me this game - including your predecessor.

what is the point of saying this in this way?

oh, alright

gypyx is 90% town, that was easy

he's posting

it's ez

aw, really? damn

fine, REVOKED

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VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

still doing it... whoever the flavor of the page is ig

This is not good posting from Cephrir in my opinion

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Spoiler:

Hope you townread me like 90% of the time people have mentioned me this game - including your predecessor.

what is the point of saying this in this way?

oh, alright

gypyx is 90% town, that was easy

he's posting

it's ez

aw, really? damn

fine, REVOKED

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VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

still doing it... whoever the flavor of the page is ig

This is not good posting from Cephrir in my opinion

do you want to elaborate? it's not bothering me as much as it would if i were scum, but it's getting a little boring having literally every slot in the game taking swings at me for no expressed reason

Because this feels like bloodstained where you didn't have much of interest to say

And now you complaining feels like bloodstained too

Vs what I remember of your town games in team mafia + tarot mafia where I didn't get the same vibe

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I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

There are no power roles so there's no real reason to do this

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Not every mafia game needs to be painful

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eh? none of the posts you quoted have anything to do with that?

Maybe I worded it wrong? It feels similar to bloodstained and not similar to your town play.

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Do you have a choice?

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

E-1

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my only hope of survival at this point is that gamma is clearly not my partner,

I haven't been paying a lot of attention but do you have anything to point to that isn't while gamma has been really close to an elimination anyway?

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my only hope of survival at this point is that gamma is clearly not my partner,

I haven't been paying a lot of attention but do you have anything to point to that isn't while gamma has been really close to an elimination anyway?

i mean if you think he writes that "bad faith" post about his partner i can't help you.

Which post?

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my only hope of survival at this point is that gamma is clearly not my partner,

I haven't been paying a lot of attention but do you have anything to point to that isn't while gamma has been really close to an elimination anyway?

i mean if you think he writes that "bad faith" post about his partner i can't help you.

Which post?

672

I think it's weird that they said that but I don't see it as a slam dunk unaligned case. I think it is weird that you are indicating that it is.

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Adding to the pool of AtE really doesn't help me

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my only hope of survival at this point is that gamma is clearly not my partner,

I haven't been paying a lot of attention but do you have anything to point to that isn't while gamma has been really close to an elimination anyway?

i mean if you think he writes that "bad faith" post about his partner i can't help you.

Which post?

672

I think it's weird that they said that but I don't see it as a slam dunk unaligned case. I think it is weird that you are indicating that it is.

great. just kill me regardless then.

I'm also not like, locked in to my read.

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The majority of minigames are going to have to involve somebody dying, if not all of them

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I'm struggling to think of a minigame where it doesn't matter what the majority think and somebody just dies

But yeah, I get it

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Gamma had an opportunity to vote himself into the chair though.

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So the theory that they are playing to get into the chair is probably incorrect regardless (though that doesn't necessarily make him town because the chair isn't necessarily or even likely to be good)

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What happened to the multiple people who were willing to hammer Gamma?

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Gamma had an opportunity to vote himself into the chair though.

So the theory that they are playing to get into the chair is probably incorrect regardless (though that doesn't necessarily make him town because the chair isn't necessarily or even likely to be good)

I hate this from Dunnstral

100 points for anyone who can figure out why I hate this

Dunn

presumes that scum-

Gamma

would want the chair and therefore could be informed?

I'm not presuming anything, I'm responding to the idea that scum gamma was trying to get into the chair. I'm pointing out that he had a chance to get into the chair if he wanted to.

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like let's say this chair thing is something good.

and Gamma is trying to get into the chair because he's a stagehand and he knows the chair is good.[Theory]

Dunnstral is saying the theory is incorrect because Gamma could've just voted himself into the chair but Gamma didn't - hence he can't be a stagehand who wants to get into the chair. [Theory is wrong]

This completely ignores the fact that if Gamma were to vote himself into the chair, and it was something good, Gamma would look hella susp for it, aka the rest of the game when maybe we get a chance to kill him.

So it's not as simple as Dunnstral is making it.

Dunnstral is like

good

at mech, so he should recognize this, but he simplifies it.

That feels informed to me.

Also he ignored Gamma's vote on him completely and chooses to comment on this part without really commenting on actual relevant shit.

He was doing the AtE thing and I assume he could have slipped in a self vote then. He said he wanted to be hammered within the hour.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at but I never said any of that.

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It's not about speed, the wagon fell apart with multiple people able to push it through that didn't. vote counter stuff I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say that.

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Then what was this post aimed at? Not my reply?

No that wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at Prism and Gamma.

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What does that mean?

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@Dunnstral: can you talk about why you've responded to certain things that you did and when you did so? I think that's the greatest bother for me about you currently.

I haven't read the whole game. When I come into thread I try to respond to what I can, but not necessarily everything. I try to focus on the current votes and why things are happening.

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How many times this game has it been made clear that there are no town prs?

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That's what was current when I was in thread and Ulyana is one of my only townreads in this game. I didn't like the push there.

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pooky also had a really good tmi-based scumread on dunn in silent star 3

What did I tmi?

I already explained that people misinterpreted what I wrote, and that it was a response to somebody else

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To relitigate:

Somebody said that Gamma was trying to get into the chair
I said that they already had a chance to get into the chair if they wanted to
Somebody said that they wouldn't self vote into the chair because they wanted to look town

Even if point 3 is correct, that doesn't make anything tmi (or even wrong... the first point never said anything about looking town, the third point expanded on assumptions that were unsaid

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Did Galron/Ydrasse read the event rules? It's clearly described as a duel to the death involving a gun, why vote yourselves in?

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For now, only the Executioner, Gamma Emerald, may speak.

They have an additional forty-eight hours to choose a new Noble to lose their head. That Noble is killed, but not yet flipped.

Galron may not be chosen to be executed!

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:eyes:

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Is relitigate some kind of buzzword that doesn't mean anything now?

My reads for today is what Ulyana just said in 2202, which I kind of hinted that that is where I was leaning, but wondering why other people thought otherwise

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I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

I also think he is scum

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I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

I also think he is scum

To be clear, I voted Gamma to E-1 when that vote was pretty much locked in. Gamma asked to be eliminated within an hour, and two people declared intent right after my vote.

Then we spent an extra 3 days actually doing the thing

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VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

What if it is kingmaker and they are scum?
Your reasoning doesn't add up here

VOTE: Sircakez

they only have so much control over it
if they exe someone who town doesn't generally agree needs death it still looks like shit

that said I see where you're coming from re; it not adding up for you

I'm not sure that you do?

It doesn't add up because you go from them being scum to them being town depending on what the chair does, with no in between.

@peta

Still based on this feeling off to me

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I don't know, and that isn't related to whether I'm "relitigating" stuff or not, so I'm not sure I want to follow you smoothly changing the topic of discussion

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I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

I also think he is scum

To be clear, I voted Gamma to E-1 when that vote was pretty much locked in. Gamma asked to be eliminated within an hour, and two people declared intent right after my vote.

Then we spent an extra 3 days actually doing the thing

How does that involve Cakez

I'm just preemptively explaining why I wasn't voting cakez at the end of day since unwnd replaced in and was asking about it.

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I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

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I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

Unless knowing that the second person voted in "starts with the gun" is the benefit?

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i think cakez being behind on the game is null given he was MLed for it in a mini normal, just doesn't have as much time to post

He is not getting scumread for falling behind on the game, just to be clear

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I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

so you'd default to gamma being exempt from duel to determine after if we've received benefit?

hm, i think this makes some sense, though if gamma is a scums that leaves only 3 for us to hit 2 within with other choices

Putting my thoughts on gamma aside:

If we wanted to eliminate him, we had a chance to do so. We didn't take it. It's nonsense to try to eliminate him again using a seperate game mechanic, it would mean we wasted power

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Spare

whatever I'm fine with this

Haven't read but can we spare and move on please

on reread this was scummy

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@dunn who is scum (besides cakez)

Probably all the lurkers except for me. No shame.

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whatever. Just eliminate me within the next hour or so so I can cry myself to sleep.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

E-1

I have to go to bed.

Intent to hammer Gamma tomorrow morning

I mainly want to give Gypyx time to catch up more.

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

My vote on Gamma wasn't nearly "the worst", nor is it even particularly ai, arguably. Trying to paint this as me having a substantial say in what happened when it was pretty much decided already without any input from me is a bad look.

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Not every mafia game needs to be painful

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How is my "defense awful"

All I've been doing is pointing to facts

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Why is me voting Gamma scummy?

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I haven't been paying attention to Ydra this game.

So I started skimming and I lean town, and here's why:

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

In this game I don't see the falling off or the fluffy

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Nobody is scumreading Sircakez for being behind on the game

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I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

do you think this description of your expectation of scum!ydrasse lines up with taly’s play this game? and would you have a similar expectation of scum!taly?

I don't know how to read taly, no I wouldn't have a similar expectation, that's just for ydrasse.

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I don't know how to read taly with meta*

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unwnd is an innocent anime girl

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I don't know how to read taly with meta*

I don't want to give you self-meta unless you ask for it. But otherwise, how can I help you read me better?

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skitter

Am I tunneled on

peta

? I feel like their reaction my suspicion of then has just been dismissive and I don't like their complacency with voteparking on

ydra

.

I don't want meta, I want to figure things out from this game

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like it felt like lights were off and i could relate to that

Can you clarify what “lights were off” means?

it is like,

sometimes i am very excited for a game almost always if i sign up and stay signed up i am very much excited to be playing it

but then the game starts and i flip the switch to turn on the lights and the lights do not come on

and it feels like i can't make sense of anything and all of my thoughts are like 'yup they are a player in this game'

and then others are like 'she must be a scums!' or worse they are like why don't you just try flipping that switch again it's right there and i am like that's not how lights work

Well it feels like we have been talking in circles for several 10's of pages

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VOTE: SirCakez

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and they want to use Toog as a freelim when we can gain a lot more information by flipping someone who's active and controversial.

Why don't you try to do that then?

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Basically don't think Skitter scum defends Cakez the way she has if Cakez is scum

i would not make that assumption


granted on a gut level she's still town but i have nothing deeper until we get some form of actual flips and voting

Yeah alright I'll discard it

Are you fine with voting Dunn off? Assume no based on your posts

I'm not being voted off, I'm being voted into a duel. You should probably know that I'm, like, 70% likely to win anything that isn't complete rng here, even at a disadvantage, if we're being completely honest. Just saying. Oh also Cakez is scum.

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I'm glad we can all bond over how toog is scummy while we vote for me just because we can't vote for cakez for some reason

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while leaving all of the controversial slots untouched

Name names

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Surely you're not talking about me right now?

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How is voting out me different than voting out toog for the game state?

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VOTE: Toogeloo

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Toog, what is your read on me?

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In theory that makes the most sense, since Stagehands know where the bullet is. Randomizing it is a pro-town move.

However, in practice, that is not my best move, or the best move for town (it nulls a potential mafia ploy if we are both town, one that can be turned on its head if I play in an unexpected way). I think you are mafia. So if you are mafia, where does the bullet go? I have decided that it is very unlikely that the bullet is in the first position. I think mafia expect me to either reroll immediately or shoot at you immediately (under the impression that I am aggro in these kinds of games).

If I randomize the location, I put myself at a disadvantage for no reason. I meant what I said about being good at these kinds of games.

The most likely place for the bullet to be in position 3 or position 4. When given a choice, people often pick the middle, and both of those numbers are close enough that you could manipulate it. This assumes that you are scum and are trying to play this game in a fairly neutral way where you don't essentially scum claim after, while still giving yourself a good chance of winning.

So, I'm shooting myself. If by chance the bullet is in slot 1, then this was meant to frame me and Toog is also town (and so even though I've "lost" the duel, we make the best of the bad scenario).

If toog is mafia like I suspect, and the bullet is in position 3 or 4, then they have no way to counter-attack me.

If the bullet is in position 2, then it was set there because toog is mafia - because either I shoot myself, or they get to shoot at me. Of course, from town Toog point of view, shooting the second bullet at me is nonsense and a scum claim, it doesn't make any sense. The only reason the bullet would be in 2 if he is town is to frame them, and if they believe that I am scum then the bullet has no business being in position 2 because it gives them the opportunity to shoot me.

Fire gun at self

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