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[Gypyx]

yo guys, Prism² here, will catch up when i catch up

[Gypyx]

Now for a tonal shift~

yo guys, Prism² here, will catch up when i catch up

Hey

Gypyx

!!!

Hope you townread me like 90% of the time people have mentioned me this game - including your predecessor.

I mean, this is the ONLY time I can be UTR with almost no drawback!! I doubt scum get an NK. So my presence actively weakens them.

well that's pretty poggers of ya, i'll have a look at things by myself but fine with following the trend in place there

any advice on where to read specifically?

[Gypyx]

also just one thing i wanna make sure, everyone's agreeing that the throne is most likely an execution of some kind?

[Gypyx]

Is this a mountainous game, or do we think we might gain some advantages from these events?

I'm a VT (Yes, I know we're all VTs. I wouldn't want some people jumping on me for not claiming that as per my "meta" /grin).

hey i know that's quite an old post, but like, could you explain? You're asking if there are no PRs then stating you know there are no PRs ???????

[Gypyx]

Pooky right now additionally feels too chaotic to me for him to be under an agenda, like, maybe he's trying to drown the town in discussion (although i doubt it) but other than that i don't see much value to his SoC posting
although i gotta admit the read is kinda based on the fqct that he made me laugh while reading

[Gypyx]

i think they meant mechanical advantages from the events not from roles

oh yeah right >.>

sorry for bothering you Toog

pedit : hi infinity yeah

[Gypyx]

btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

[Gypyx]

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also just one thing i wanna make sure, everyone's agreeing that the throne is most likely an execution of some kind?

There’s three schools of thought

• It’s a standard elimination
  
• The person voted in becomes King and executes a player
  
• The person voted in gets voted “guilty” or “not guilty” a la ToS elimination mechanics

Generally the prevailing play is treat it like 1), but make sure the player is leashed if it’s 2)

alright that all sounds like fairly realistic options, anyways we should just act normally today, got a personal theory that maybe they will be gladiated against someone of their choice but at that point it's getting pretty irrelevant, so let's not discuss that

[Gypyx]

uh, gonna catch up fully soon, but just realized we're at E-1, so until then

UNVOTE:

[Gypyx]

mid catchup posting cuz class is starting : really not a big fan of Ydrasse, mostly fluff but there's still that effort to play the game which idk, now that i think about it might be more town indicative for yeetdrasse specifically, but i dunno VOTE: Ydrase

Really liking pooky otherwise, and gamma feels too agressive to really be scum imho

[Gypyx]

My town slip is that I didn't even realize there were events until pooky mentioned it and I scrolled up

(sorry for not reading the setup before MT, now that I have it is really awesome though!!)

townlean on that too, although it could also be Dwlee projecting him finding out about events in the scum PT, i doubt that a paid actor would go and straight up say "that's a townslip"

[Gypyx]

it's okay birdie, haven't reached it, i'll get to it eventually

[Gypyx]

or is using my answers to determine how to maneuver this game.

what do u mean by this?

What do you mean by "off"?

also what does everyone think abt infinity?

felt good early because she was making reads amidst the usual fluffing around nonsense, review of the ISO leaves me feeling more neutral. doesn't really seem obvscum to me, just kind of there

the issue that i'm having here is that i'm used to town-infinity having more 'oomph' and 'being here' more than she has been, esp. in response to my saying i scumread her. usually if town-her feels i'm reading her wrong (which has happened multiple times in the past), she kicks into gear, starts pushing me, and has a visceral sort of response. here she's kinda just passively accepting it and not really doing anything abt it, which i think is a reaction much more likely to come from scum-her.

like the fact that she's 'just kinda there' is what i'm finding scummy here.

and does scum!infinity explicitely doesn't have this habit? otherwise it's a tiny bit worthless and i just think infinity is having a hard time playing again there, not much a
that actually makes me raise eyebrows

additionally on what's going on right now, i'd say that a galron wagon seems pretty cool given that like, he stood silent when i think it benefitted scum to do so

[Gypyx]

oh okay

but like, unless you're voluntarily weighting down you game there which ??? okay i guess ??? that falls under my definition of a hard time

[Gypyx]

basically, the prism / gamma kerfuffle was kinda weird to me due to the fact that every other decision slowed down quite a lot at the time, which makes me think scum were prolly benefitting from it in one way or another

you're not the only one who did this obviously, but that's still something nitable in my eyes

with that said i'm like on page 35 so i'll try to get done with it, just a few mid read proddings too
-> if the ceph SRs aren't around anymore : why

-> if the ceph SRs are still around, could y'all explain the meta there?

on top of that Toog seems really lackluster so i think it might be town indicative

pedit : answer to 1299

[Gypyx]

oh neat

could you like just give the number of a post where you talk about it or somethign?

[Gypyx]

ty

[Gypyx]

btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

Gamma's

posting towards

Prism

contributed but it's no longer the main thing that contributes to my scumread on him.

Spoiler: Taly's Aggro Going From 1 to 100

1.

It's the constant reactivity and image of giving in when there's pressure 375 411 and 414.

2.

The presumption of a truce despite that not aligning with anything

Prism's

mentioned 622 and 630

(this is something I've had exclusively scum-aligned players do to pacify me when I've 1v1'd them)

.

3.

Targeting

Pooky

for

agreeing

with his solve and

supporting it

275, 285, 288, and 290.

4.

The vote hopping 385 434 595 660 that are either based on an idea or suspicion another person voiced or doubling down on a scumread when prompted to.

5.

602 does not read like a townie who thinks they're TvTing because it's based on how so many other players decide to play.

Of course, most of this could be aggravated by

Prism V Gamma

, but I don't see this play come from frustrated-town

Gamma

. I've seen it more from caught

Gamma

-scum.

If I didn't want to still have proper conversations with SirCakez, Toogeloo, Pooky, you, Galron, Dunnstral, and Saber before EoD or fearful of yet another distracting 1v1:
I would have L2'd him by now.

But I honestly hope you don't read this entire post until you're well into catching up! It'd spoil the fruits of your untainted mind on the game.

alright so taly btw while you there, still interested in me answering this?

[Gypyx]

btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

Gamma's

posting towards

Prism

contributed but it's no longer the main thing that contributes to my scumread on him.

Spoiler: Taly's Aggro Going From 1 to 100

1.

It's the constant reactivity and image of giving in when there's pressure 375 411 and 414.

2.

The presumption of a truce despite that not aligning with anything

Prism's

mentioned 622 and 630

(this is something I've had exclusively scum-aligned players do to pacify me when I've 1v1'd them)

.

3.

Targeting

Pooky

for

agreeing

with his solve and

supporting it

275, 285, 288, and 290.

4.

The vote hopping 385 434 595 660 that are either based on an idea or suspicion another person voiced or doubling down on a scumread when prompted to.

5.

602 does not read like a townie who thinks they're TvTing because it's based on how so many other players decide to play.

Of course, most of this could be aggravated by

Prism V Gamma

, but I don't see this play come from frustrated-town

Gamma

. I've seen it more from caught

Gamma

-scum.

If I didn't want to still have proper conversations with SirCakez, Toogeloo, Pooky, you, Galron, Dunnstral, and Saber before EoD or fearful of yet another distracting 1v1:
I would have L2'd him by now.

But I honestly hope you don't read this entire post until you're well into catching up! It'd spoil the fruits of your untainted mind on the game.

1. I feel like the main source of my defeatism was feeling like I was getting SRed for what by all intents and purposes should register as my townplay.
   
2. The "truce" was meant as a kinda one-sided thing where I was just tuning Prism out so I could try to form reads on other players. My response in 630 is evidence of this, as I basically was saying "I don't care what you want, what I want is to actually form more reads than just people in the immediate vicinity". I did a similar thing in Xenoblade 2, actually.
   
3. I was kinda thinking back to Among Us where Pooky endlessly tunneled murdercat for inexplicable reasons. Obviously that was an ill-founded attempt to corner-cut seeing as when I went to explain my read I actually gave thought-out reasons to the SRs Pooky gave, so it wasn't at all a contrast to how he played in Among Us.
   
4. 385 was kinda a vote fueled by salt from past games that I was still feeling. 434 was kinda just OMGUS logic. 595 was a deliberate choice where I mathematically determined cakez felt the most removed from the game, and that general idea plus me feeling like he's one of the players I have an easier time solving compelled me to push him to generate content, like I did to Titus in Chrono Trigger Chronicles. 660 was a combo "I suspect this person more" and "I suspect my current vote less than I did" post, which I feel like I make somewhat often as town and it frequently pings people for no good reason imo. I think it makes sense to include that thought process in the way I do. Would it be better if I included an explicit unvote alongside the vote?
   Idk how well this actually covers the concern express for all the votes overall, but I feel like some of them are more defensible than others. My Cakez vote I definitely think was a fair shake in the moment.
   
5. idk how else I can present this tbh, I had a gut feeling I was tilting beyond reason but didn't want to just drop my line of thinking, and so I made the declaration that if someone who I felt like had knowledge of my situation felt like I was going off the deep end with my logic, I'd drop the Prism SR until I had a better picture of the game overall, likely including a few flips.

So like, overall, the issue seems to be your scope of my meta is limited and giving you a perspective that unfortunately makes my play look worse than it should this game.

well then, i'll add to point 3 that really, even though Gamma has been playing unorthodxically this game, i really have trouble seeing what scum thinks "yes, this is a good move"

and point 4 isn't really bad in itself imo? Like yeah, you can say maybe he goes a bit too much with the flow, but in the end that's basically sheeping right?

[Gypyx]

gypyx I've never seen you effort this much as either alignment what's up

i finally rolled Unjester

[Gypyx]

yeah okay well look, think all you want of it but like, i finally managed to actually get back properly into mafia without half forcing me to play the game and think about peeps so like, i'll ride the high feel free to try to interprete it

[Gypyx]

I like that response.

me too now i feel bad

eh no worries, answer was a bit stiff maybe but like, there's no hard feelings behind it really

[Gypyx]

does anyone think Gypyx is being coached

it'll be obvious over time

peta and gypyx are not in the same time zone

just start quizing him when peta is asleep

any reason peta is more likely to be my sensei than anyone else?

[Gypyx]

every1 else is too lazy to coach you

hmmm, that kinda makes sense, but i don't know in depth half the PL really so can't say much

[Gypyx]

We can easily settle this coaching debate once and for all.

Gypyx, who do you most look up to in this playerlist?

depends

as in "damn they gud" Ydrasse / Skitter

as in "please show me the way i'm alone and scared aaaaaaah" Pooks / peta

[Gypyx]

hey there i have a pretty important test tommorow so like, not so much time for mafia but if y'all have anything directed at me i can get some time on board to respond

[Gypyx]

consider my vote on spare in spirit, just wanna avoid rushing things out

also i didn't read how gamma ended up as the executionner, was he actually SR'd or something something kingmaker?

also speculatinh about the alignement of players killed by a scum action seems kinda useless rn lol

[Gypyx]

yeah okay well look, think all you want of it but like, i finally managed to actually get back properly into mafia without half forcing me to play the game and think about peeps so like, i'll ride the high feel free to try to interprete it

so yeah the motivation didn't last long as y'all might've guessed lol

VOTE: toog

anyways, let's do the votey then

[Gypyx]

also i might be late on this, but imo the duel is that the players aren't restricted to shooting each other, but if they both choose to shoot someone else they'll die together

or maybe the first gunbearer can shoot some1 else, but that forces second gunbearer to put a bullet in him

[Gypyx]

recall him as lacklust event 1, checked the ISO, and i still find stuff i'm iffy on, so might as well see where all this goes

[Gypyx]

huh, interesting

might need to do a meta dive there actually, or i could just leave him alone but not sure it's a good idea in mountainous

[Gypyx]

sure, not much thought put into them tho, or at least, updated thoght

+5=IC // -5 = lockscum

petapan +0.75
ulyana +1
Ydrasse - 0.5
Saber +2
SirCakez idk
skitter30 +0.25
Infinity 324 +1.25
Toogeloo : i^n with n an integer
Galron -0.75
Dunnstral -0.5
Dwlee99 wait dwlee is in this game?
Taly +2.5
and Gamma Emerald! +3

[Gypyx]

@gypyx do you think your idea of where scum is has changed due to knowing the true nature of the chair?

nah

my change of stance of toog was basically old me being like "but old toog wouldn't play bad like that !" while current me thinks his current posting is pushing things a bit too far there

pedit : although i hate the way it's formulated ulyana kinda got a point

[Gypyx]

@gypyx why is saber town

~ ~ ~ V I B E S ~ ~ ~

if you want something develloped i could try and do that though

[Gypyx]

there has been more expressed suspicion of other slots so being like okay toogeloo is one who’s the other? seems so wild to me

u think gamma's trying to steer the voting on toog if i'm understeanding correctly?

[Gypyx]

@gypyx why is saber town

~ ~ ~ V I B E S ~ ~ ~

if you want something develloped i could try and do that though

yeah that would be helpful

on it then

i'll try to just do a quick rush of the posts to highlight what mostly came to my mind as sleep deprivation is kinda kicking in rn

[Gypyx]

I don't particularly understand Prism's tilt but don't see it as a paid actor tactic either, given it's going to draw more negative attention than positive. Will assume it's frustration regardless of how much she's being paid and move on.

My town slip is that I didn't even realize there were events until pooky mentioned it and I scrolled up

(sorry for not reading the setup before MT, now that I have it is really awesome though!!)

Uh we are not all VT

You're right. Anyone want to claim they aren't a VT?

I actually didn't read that part and was trying to draw a kill LMAO

I don't like this, I believe Look At Me I'm So Unpaid is the professional term in the industry.

(top quote) recognizing when to stop overthinking things

Gamma's behavior still doesn't make sense to me. He's calling his defender Infinity a 'dear friend', but then is strangely antagonistic to Dwlee who's also defending him.

I see skitter's point about it being counterproductive in the second case if he's paid actor, but..... I lost my train of thought and don't really know where I'm going with this. I'm probably confbiasing myself since I'm attributing erratic behavior to always be indicative of money, so never mind.

changing what he thinks mid-sentance, pretty damn town indicative, especially since in quote 3, saber inadvertedly admits that the bold way is something he would do as scum, but probably not think about it immediatly, so i think scum!saber would've rewrote the whole thing to remove traces of doubt

I mean
Gamma has been vote hopping like crazy all game
what is the motivation to stop doing it now?

That's the point, because it'll look bad for him if he does it now onto his counterwagon.

Correction: He's

afraid

it'll look bad for him voting a counterwagon but actually it would've been fine and probably what town would do.

here, the delay between the post really feels like some live thoughtprocessing, like "yeah that's curious" "oh wait scum would act like that too" which is pretty damn townie i think you'll agree?

i stopped reading the thread afterwards so it's a non-factor

pedit : beep

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: unwnd

not caught up, but this vote is interesting given the current rules of the event

[Gypyx]

y'all took your sweet ass time on that one

now why

[Gypyx]

I wish emojis worked on this forum cause I wanna do the glasses and finger gun emoji thing

[Gypyx]

y'all took your sweet ass time on that one

now why

I wanted ydrasse! Toog tried to get us to "consolidate" and agree and I was like no I'm not doing that when I think two of the people here are evil (Infinity/skitter) so I stayed on ydrasse. Peta was technically my second choice but I don't feel great about it

and i assume they were on peta (infi / skitt)

maybe we should just post VCs

[Gypyx]

Infinity 324 [4] Saber, petapan, Gypyx, SirCakez

skitter30 [1]: Gammagooey
Toogeloo [1]: Gamma Emerald

Not Voting [1]: Ydrasse

here's what our EoD VC looks like for reference Pinkies

hope it's fine to transcript like that

[Gypyx]

we

why do you think toogeloo is currently alive if town?

i don’t really think he is and i said that dunn/toog was s/s theatre s:

thumbs up

would like everyone's opinion on this!!!

wasn't finding that theory too crisp personally, cuz the plan obv wasn't for dunn to die and i doubt any sane scumteam let's their partner go like that, at least not without discussion, and you kinda need discussion to organize an S/S play

[Gypyx]

also tweet that's some quality OST choice there

[Gypyx]

but... why wouldn't scum!dunn just shoot town!toogeloo? instead of 50/50? and after toogeloo made it clear was going to spin barrel if town why wouldn't scum!dunn spin the barrel instead of scum claiming?

well i dunno, maybe the bullet was later down the barrel and toog spinning made things go unpredicatble (actually that's a really likely theory)

or he wanted toog to go first after spinning the barrel, cuz it has better mathematical odds if i recall my calculations correctly

[Gypyx]

we

why do you think toogeloo is currently alive if town?

i don’t really think he is and i said that dunn/toog was s/s theatre s:

thumbs up

would like everyone's opinion on this!!!

idrc about interactions, I think I have a potentially better metric to narrow down the scums
Infinity, I think you should reread the True Love game we played together, because I unfortunately think your play is following that track again which might mean your death here, but I'll do my best to ensure the scum come after.

this feels so much like a pocketing post, although i can't remember the last time i've seen pocketing so idk lol

[Gypyx]

the scums chose where the bullet went

so one would expect scum!dunn to simply put it in the first chamber and shoot town!toogeloo, or if for some reason weighed being townread as more important than being alive, to simply spin the barrel and try to look town

not scum claim

and the math is even

well, if it is S/S, you're telling me the choice scum goes with is that they have one of their members scumclaim, have the other act rational, and hope that the one that scumclaimed dies?

and i might be dumb but it isn't right? like, it's 1/6 odds, then 1/5, then 1/4, then 1/3 etc... there's a Vsauce vid about that

[Gypyx]

why would he be trying to pocket someone on the cusp of elimination

excellent question

idk

[Gypyx]

what's exactly the "it"?

also okay, guess i really should consider leaving my math studies lol

[Gypyx]

healthy reminder that sabotages aren't necessarily public and we don't know for sure that a no sabotage happened

[Gypyx]

healthy reminder that sabotages aren't necessarily public and we don't know for sure that a no sabotage happened

i mean, what possible sabotage do you think has happened then?

rules change before the start of the duel

maybe even a rigging of the "RNG" barrel spin

[Gypyx]

healthy reminder that sabotages aren't necessarily public and we don't know for sure that a no sabotage happened

i mean, what possible sabotage do you think has happened then?

rules change before the start of the duel

maybe even a rigging of the "RNG" barrel spin

granted, the second one would mean that it's still entierly possible to be S/S actually

[Gypyx]

honestly if you're scum gamma i admire the boldness lol

[Gypyx]

happy scumday toog !

[Gypyx]

anyways i wonder, does anyone on pink plan on switching to Infinity or are just staying on our course of action there?

[Gypyx]

also hmmm toog now that i think about it, why are you all about making compromises all of a sudden ? I thought you were more on the side of not taking the game seriously

[Gypyx]

fair, i like that response

[Gypyx]

VOTE: start

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[Gypyx]

i think it's more likely that they're scum together and were trying to look uncoordinated than that toog is town and dunn wrote out that whole post to try to look town instead of just shooting toog and staying alive

gypyx, thoughts?

hi yes

trying to look uncoordinated is defintely a possibility, but i don't think it's a super common page of the scum playbook (feel free to call me stupid if i'm wrong)

but like, once again, maybe his plan was actually to "just shoot toog" for all we know, toog was the first one to spin the bareel there, so it's not like dunn showed any will to not kill toog from what we can tell

[Gypyx]

Infinity Towncase

• She feels off her game here unfortunately, but in a way that I can probably reconcile as being town based in it happening before, in the True Love game we played a long way back.
  
• post 2102 feels more like scum knee-jerk reacting to a townie based on the "I TMI'd, where???" type vibe the post gives. 2104 is a clear indication Dunn thought infinity meant Dunn was TMI’ing in this game.
  
• Attempts to work through ulyana's early theory talk seem untainted by scum info
  
• initial interactions with prism were to kinda play devil's advocate, this alongside other progression points on that slot (namely going back and realizing she felt gypyx was sus after she'd looked at her idea that Prism wouldn’t have off meta on me with her townread on me in mind) feel indicative of infinity having real thoughts on the slot
  
• progression on me is she starts out thinking I'm in my townrange for wild thought processes, later realizes some of my content is stuff I could be faking as scum, and spends some time distrusting me until flipping her read back around like late-D1. That seems pretty reasonable for town!infinity, she probably doesn’t need to flip her read like she did as early as she did.
  
• The exact logic for the read flip I was able to parse out was that she liked that I wasn't just trying to keep the same tactic up and get away with it, which makes sense, as I feel like that's a common behavior for scum!me when under pressure is to just push the same bullshit, and the particular way I went about trying to dig out of my hole sideways (as opposed to digging straight down) is one I think is just generally towny.
  
• Has some pretty based takes that feel like she's not being manipulative (seeing ydra's town streak post as a joke, trying to correct me on my misinterpretation of cephrir's actions towards me)
  
• The flip to SRing gypyx does actually seem like there was some prelude in that infinity thought gypyx was maybe meta-manipulating, which would justify going back on the prism read a bit more.
  
• The "too many TRs" thing is something I can pretty much assure is a town!infinity thing at the very least. My exp with scum!finity is kinda limited though
  
• Infinity's point about dunn TMI-ing actually really clicks because I'd also felt Dunn said some eerily accurate stuff about the setup this game, so that makes the Dunn reaction even more of an anti-partner tell imo. Dunnstral just kinda misdirected the topic of conversation, otherwise infinity might have locked into pushing him harder.
  
• This only dawned on me when I posted about it before, but Infinity just dropping the idea of Dunn TMI would have been putting Dunn’s game at risk for little to no reason IMO. It’s my belief that Dunn was bleeding some level of scum knowledge about events. While Infinity was talking about something else, that post initially bringing up TMI was incredibly vague as to what the TMI was about. Someone with the right mindset and perspective seeing that would have locked on to that and immediately called for Dunn’s head. That’s basically giving someone else a free ticket to be obvtown, so why would scum!finity do that? The ONLY agenda I can comprehend that isn’t mired in WIFOM is there was an agreement to cut Dunn loose because he was bleeding to much info, in which case,
  why didn’t Infinity go in for the kill?
  
  
• 2316 definitely makes sense as a town response given what's happened since then, and considering their history.
  
• Infinity's bad pathing on reads this game can be partly explained by the phrase "distracted by the scummy", where she's focusing on actions that look bad in the moment while not entirely keying into what the actions entire mean/what scum motivation they serve. This is exemplified in 2349 where she calls out toog/dunn/saber/unwnd as weaker TRs she's skeptical of, and out of those she ends up putting Saber/unwnd in her lowest tier later on when she should have probably put toog/dunn there. This also kinda resembles how she played in the True Love game I've referenced.
  
• 2504 is a valid point, though I also kinda get what gypyx was presenting in what Infinity was responding to
  
• the way of heeding the words of those she trusts in 2535 is a towntell I think
  
• the whole progression of 2535 -> 2543 -> 2619 seems good
  
• response to ulyana's suspicion regarding the switch in secondary wagon didn't feel defensive
  
• I like the consistency in believing in Prism's read rate on me, though Prism's meta impression of me was totally off (she thought my scumplay hadn't developed over 5 years of playing, when it very much had, and infinity can attest to that because one of the games I floundered as scum in was one all 3 of us were in, and since then I've broken out of the box that my play was stuck in, as infinity kinda saw in haunted village I believe) so there's absolutely room for her to have been wrong as town!

So I guess I spent like 4 hours on this for nothing, huh?

i did read it, but idk if it's confbias or anything but there's no argument that sticked strongly with me

[Gypyx]

peta was speaking as if Saber/Gypyx and to an extent Ydrasse were his bottom reads in our room, but he wasn't attached to 1 of us being a stagehand over another, so I dislike that 'faceplanting' post a lot, especially since I had made clear I was on holiday in the PT, yet still checked in and gave my thoughts every once in a while. I'm not sure what the stagehand motivation is there though, since coming into this peta knows I vastly prefer to vote Infinity given I was pushing her from the start in the PT. Stagehand-him probably doesn't try to antagonise me knowing that I would think.

He also efforted a lot in the PT, and after seeing he was nominated I had a copper wrap thought that he'd upped the ante in anticipation of this, and that he knew he has to start looking more contestanty in advance to the members of his group (based on how the voting works), but it seems it wasn't very clear who was getting nominated in the other room given majority was 2 votes. And the effort and solving itself didn't ping me, it seemed natural enough.

actually that's a very interesting point

pink peeps, i kinda forgor, did pete show up early or late as a wagon option?

[Gypyx]

huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically

oh right that

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still

[Gypyx]

actually maybe even not

ughhh, i wish toog could just blow up rn so i no longer have to think about him lol

[Gypyx]

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still

doesn't it still look a bit planned if the bullet is in the first chamber and dunn just shoots scum!toog? this may not have been the best way to approach an s/s duel, but it makes more sense that scum would think that this is a good way of approaching it that that scum would risk dunn dying over town!toog

toog is my top scumread as a result of this tbh

well, the main problem i see with the plan is that like, Dunn was without any contest acting scummy, so the stagebois took a 50% chance to lose the 2 peoples involved in the duel

[Gypyx]

huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically

oh right that

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still

if dunnstral was playing for towncred would have spun barrel in first place as that is basically only town play there

dunn was playing for towncred with what he did, it may not have been the best way to do it, but i don't see another explanation for his actions

well why so affirmative ? Like, i don't know what sane scumteam goes "yeah you got this dunnboi, this post is litterally gonna big brain all of them townies huhehuhaha"

[Gypyx]

huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically

oh right that

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still

if dunnstral was playing for towncred would have spun barrel in first place as that is basically only town play there

i mean, from our perspective it is but you could argue scum kinda mindgame themselves into doing something else, although i reckon that's a pretty weak argument

but like, once again, maybe his plan was actually to "just shoot toog" for all we know, toog was the first one to spin the bareel there, so it's not like dunn showed any will to not kill toog from what we can tell

? the mafia chose where the bullet was and dunnstral had the gun first - so if the plan was “just shoot toog” (the plan that would have actually made sense, yes) then the bullet would have been in the first chamber and dunnstral would have just shot toogeloo

i'm dumb >.>

[Gypyx]

this is assuming a level of coordination that almost no scumteam actually bothers with, i doubt dunn ran that post by his team. i don't really see the purpose of this line of discussion. i think the stuff after the event was locked in isn't much of a clue to anything

yeah but like, toog isn't forced to reply immediatly, he can go "dude wtf" in the PT

and besides, they still need to talk things through a lil' bit to agree on the distancing, but anyways idk, y'all are convinced toog is scum, i wouldn't sacrifice my life for him, so i'll see about that next event

[Gypyx]

can you clarify a bit more what you think would've gone differently with toog scum? to me, either toog scum doesn't care, or they're fine with the plan because there's not really another way to make dunn look townier

this is one of the things i feel more confident about so i want to make sure my argument is clear before i die

well like, i think the start would be relatively similar, but when dunn makes said posts, toog would've most likely taken some time in the scum PT to try and find a way for him to shoot dunn 100%, given that like, he was pretty obvscum by then in my eyes, or at least, under waaaay more potential scrutinity than toog would be

didn't follow why dunn was voted though

[Gypyx]

the other things is that they have to figure out a way to get dunn to die without it looking coordinated, which is pretty difficult

easier to know without spinning the barrel (tm)

[Gypyx]

anyways ngl i kinda get bored of this toogtalk so i'll leave that aside until next event

pedit : not sure what you mean by that

[Gypyx]

"Hm... perhaps I don't pay my actors enough.."

Saber is being replaced.

saber confscum POOOOOG

[Gypyx]

why?

[Gypyx]

but uh yeah i don't think gypyx should be tapdancing on the grave of someone i clearly tilted out of the game. don't want to assume it's alignment indicative but yeah.



was looking for an excuse to retire this account anyway so seems like a good opportunity

oh so that's what happened

wdym by "tapdancing"?

[Gypyx]

but uh yeah i don't think gypyx should be tapdancing on the grave of someone i clearly tilted out of the game. don't want to assume it's alignment indicative but yeah.



was looking for an excuse to retire this account anyway so seems like a good opportunity

oh so that's what happened

wdym by "tapdancing"?

i mean the celebration in 3771 was out of line and anyway i don't really want to read into replacements that way

oh uh, that was a comment on the flavor, not saber's replacement on it's own, like yeah, i wouldn't celebrate someone tilting out of the game lol

[Gypyx]

thank god i'm not the only one lol

harley do be acting scummy tho

[Gypyx]

if i understeand correctly though, the last player to cross can basically not be killed by scum right?

[Gypyx]

Fuck you

[Gypyx]

if i understeand correctly though, the last player to cross can basically not be killed by scum right?

yes but the incentive is strongly toward scum using their kill in the earliest people to cross and to that extent it's better to save your top townreads until later

gypyx if you are town here i feel it is important you step it up this phase and make it evident because i cannot allow you to go through this game as a question mark

when you have the time i want an ordered reads list from you

well, i'm not even sure i have what it takes to do what you're asking there to be wholly honest

don't get me wrong, i'll do your readslist, but like, see what i mean ?

[Gypyx]

This post seems weird in retrospect
Gypyx seemed conscious that I was getting wagoned earlier and of some of the circumstances behind it, why would things have changed midway through?

i'm not sure what's this post exactly supposed to mean, could you like be more clear?

[Gypyx]

and anyways @pete / anyone who feels themselve concerned with what i think, here goes not a readlist because half the players in the game are litterally just a blur and trying to find different ways to say "null" is boring

Harley : one of the stuff i'm most confident on, and it's that this is scum, the entrance reeks of scum trying to make themselves more productive by asking the broadest questions / considerations on gamestate, even when prompted to do otherwise, and i'm also not a fan of the agressive responses to scumreads

By associations, i think this draws to pete town as unless i'm seeing how things went down wrong, his push on saber was relatively isolated and unprompted, which would be weird for 2 scums to engage in all of a sudden

The two gammas among us are probably most likely possibly town, the emerald for engaging in a shitfight with my slot and a lot of other good shit that we prolly all agree on, and gooey because his posts were moderately high towniness and the fact that it has happened over like 3 slots is very reassuring

would be cool for Toog to die too as i think he's kinda in the same spot than me where it's gonna be hard to actually solve on him

was iffy on Ydrasse previously but i like her getting more involved as the game goes on

on a side notes i'm also getting bad feelings from Taly but that's more of an ego read than anything elsz tbh, i'm in need of those

HURT: Harley
Toogeloo
Taly
idk tbh, ulyana?

[Gypyx]

idk tbh, ulyana?

? i don't even get a mention in the rundown and yet... ?

yeah, mostly cuz i don't have other appealing options and there was some movement towards you

[Gypyx]

This post seems weird in retrospect
Gypyx seemed conscious that I was getting wagoned earlier and of some of the circumstances behind it, why would things have changed midway through?

i'm not sure what's this post exactly supposed to mean, could you like be more clear?

Why were you asking about the wagon on me when I think it should've been clear the meaning of it from what you'd already seen?

hmmm, i don't wholly recall my thoughtprocess at the time, so my insight will be pretty damn limited, but it was basically like, i read early, and there wasn't much of a case on you, i read recent, and there wasn't much of a case either, so might as well ask y'know

[Gypyx]

Harley, got just one question if you're town, how come i suddenly become a scumread of yours right after i say you're scum ?

I won't say the buzzword, but the timing sure is convinient for an argument you haven't backed up with anything so far

[Gypyx]

Based on reading the mod ISO, I'm wondering why Gooey slot hasn't been dead. Scum saved Galron (if I am understanding correctly).

Was Gamma nominated because of feeling he was town at the time or scum?

I want to look at Pooky's reads given the early sabotage.

Galron's and Ydrasse's self-voting in the duel event struck me as odd.

What were the final votes in Peta v Infinity?

it was a free kill for the scums on whoever they wanted so they would have used always i think not just if galron was a scums

for most of us because of feeling he was scum i believe

it was a secret ballot so no revealed votes

Not sure on that. The rules state that scum only get two sabotages. Unless they know every event and every sabotage, using one so early unless desperate would be the wrong move.

Pooky's thoughts are important being the first to die.

Why didn't y'all claim the votes?

well, granted, scum could've absolutely thought this the reverse way right? Like "maybe we won't get a potential kill again in the future (which turns out kinda true from what we're seeing with events) so might as well get the shot while we can"