Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[Galron]

umm 15th page and I'm making my entrance. Who should I vote?

[Galron]

i just ordered chicken over rice at a mexican taco cart cuz i thought it was a halal cart

what do i do now.

i want tacos but shes already started making chicken over rice for me

Pita bread if she's got it.

[Galron]

Is there a shorter deadline or something?

[Galron]

Why are we limming someone less than 24 hours into the game.

[Galron]

And I'm supposed to read the last 16 pages.

[Galron]

its almost like he knows something we dont

Who toogs? He's had that effect on me in the past.

[Galron]

Okay. Toogs reminds me of Egix. Just subdued during the game and making townie statements and not hyperposting or anything. Just someone making some observations and expressing them as if they don't care whether they sound town or scum. Which tends to make me townread them.

[Galron]

C'mon gamma, you can't check out the first day of the game.

[Galron]

Hey tally is in this game.

[Galron]

sorry taly

[Galron]

Reading just the last three pages or whatever, I don't have a good feeling.

[Galron]

VOTE: Gamma

[Galron]

I'm not gonna lie I'm actually kinda down to get voted first

If there's an actual trial and one gets acquitted, perhaps there is a prize!

The last time I was voted for a trial, I had three things I had to decide, and I was wrong on at least 2 of them. Maybe all 3. Anyway my losing the trial didn't have a whole lot of effect, but it did contribute to a town loss.

[Galron]

That was a difficult game.

[Galron]

That was a difficult game.

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[Galron]

I am so disengaged from this game.

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

[Galron]

I want a bunch of buff, swol, srronk men to pick me up and take me away from this nightmare called sdulting

I am so disengaged from this game.

Yo you are we besties? You're an alt who knows me jt seems

Last time we played was in that beetle game from something_smart I think.

[Galron]

@galron is there anything i can do to help you get more engaged? honestly not much has happened so far, the main event has been gamma acting erratically and getting scumread for it, and lashing out at prism for confidently pushing him.

It was just bad timing as far as the game start goes, and I'm not comofrtable with just super-skimming the last couple of days. I just need to sit and read.

[Galron]

no i’m an extra

This is funny, and I'd be wary of it if I didn't know there were exactly four scum.

[Galron]

Has anyone talked about the sabotage ability? I could see scum not fighting to get chaired if they can just change it up. But I guess the timing of the sabotage makes that an issue. So really we need to get someone to E-1 I'm thinking to see what happens. Since it's a 2-shot ability, it seems to me we should get them to use both shots early-game.

[Galron]

But I'm sure I'm missing something with that.

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure why I was voting Gamma. It seems like eons ago.

[Galron]

Wait, I remember. Gamma said something about how he wanted out. Which was a weird thing and pinged me wrong.

[Galron]

It must have been a frustration thing because you seem to be fighting it now, Gamma.

[Galron]

really not thrilled with galron

Galron hasn't put much effort in that's for sure.

[Galron]

Has anyone talked about the sabotage ability? I could see scum not fighting to get chaired if they can just change it up. But I guess the timing of the sabotage makes that an issue. So really we need to get someone to E-1 I'm thinking to see what happens. Since it's a 2-shot ability, it seems to me we should get them to use both shots early-game.

Yes, the biggest barrier right now is that we do not know when it has to be used.

The fact that the game started with the event voting

immediately after confirmation phase, which scum cannot be expected to make a decision in the middle of

, suggests to me that scum does not have to decide prior to the voting but sometime either during voting or after selection.

It would seem silly for them not to be able to use it at-will, when we're nightless. I guess the thing is they'd have to use it without making it seem like they are. But it may or may not be announced. Also I don't see anything that says it can't be retroactive.

[Galron]

I guess I better go read skitter and infinity.

[Galron]

I came into this expecting a meme game. Why you all making it so serious?

imagine the audacity and disrespect to come into a game and whine that fifteen other players aren't playing the game to your expectations

This seems a little overblown.

[Galron]

that sounds untrue to me and i don't know why it would be scummy if it were

kinda feels like you just want to attack me because you already committed to it / because it's popular for some reason

incidentally, (this one is an ATE, so you can tell) this is my third game with approximately this group of people and i've been a perennial suspect each time so i'm starting to feel like yall just don't understand me

Deodorant might help.

[Galron]

I'd entertain a GIF about now, but I can't be arsed to call one up.

Just a friendly poke at Ceph.

[Galron]

Galron, let’s talk. What are some opinions you have on the game rn that you haven’t vocalized?

Not many. I don't have a real handle on anyone yet. I have noticed that there seems to be a lack of levity. But I haven't been through everything.

[Galron]

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5 letters, starts with a p.

[Galron]

peta do u have reads other than toog?

i think taly is town, i think gypyx slot is probably town, i think you're probably town in spite of your protest at me giving that read, i think pooky is

probably

based on him coming out strong and doing the thing where he tries to poke at people he knows with a scumread to see if they flinch

i don't have a feel for a lot of people in this game but it's also been 3 days real time and i'm not really pressed to have strong reads so far. i could probably look at people and force an opinion on them if i had to but i don't feel the urgency to do so

thanks.

ig i kinda just feel like you're kinda sitting and observing everything without really doing anything, if that makes sense? like you're just watchign the game, but not really part of it
that doesn't like make you scum or anything necessarily but it's making it kinda hard to read u and i'm kinda wondering why you're not doing much

This actually describes me.

[Galron]

I'm just kind of in a holding position at the moment. My reads look something like this, if anyone wants to talk about them

Buckets are sorted roughly T->S.

Town
=====
Taly
Pooky

Townlean
=====
Saber
Infinity
ulyana
Ydrasse
skitter

Null
=====
petapan
Toogeloo
Galron
Dunnstral
Dwlee99

Scumlean
=====                                                          
SirCakez
Cephrir          

Scum
=====
Gamma Emerald    

I'm interested in hearing about Cephrir being scummy

I think you're going to be waiting awhile.

[Galron]

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

then you're probably evil too because I think what I'm seeing should be plainly obvious if you even glance at ulyana's ISO or just pay attention to what she says as you read up
and this is a different brand of obviousness than what I was throwing around before, that's was like a bright flame to me, this is like a strong current of a river

That's a strong accusation.

[Galron]

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

still doing it... whoever the flavor of the page is ig

What's this?

[Galron]

peta do u have reads other than toog?

i think taly is town, i think gypyx slot is probably town, i think you're probably town in spite of your protest at me giving that read, i think pooky is

probably

based on him coming out strong and doing the thing where he tries to poke at people he knows with a scumread to see if they flinch

i don't have a feel for a lot of people in this game but it's also been 3 days real time and i'm not really pressed to have strong reads so far. i could probably look at people and force an opinion on them if i had to but i don't feel the urgency to do so

thanks.

ig i kinda just feel like you're kinda sitting and observing everything without really doing anything, if that makes sense? like you're just watchign the game, but not really part of it
that doesn't like make you scum or anything necessarily but it's making it kinda hard to read u and i'm kinda wondering why you're not doing much

This actually describes me.

It does
Is that because you're not caught up, or?

I'm caught up enough I think. I just haven't found anything to really dig into. The mechanics seem the most interesting thing, but I don't think it's really the right time to talk about that, at least until we have the first challenge under our belts. My reads are awful, and I have this impression that no one's done or said anything really noteworthy. Like in Radio Buzz by this time we had several 1v1s or 1v1v1s. I see a few here, but they're junior varsity spats. I'm seeing what I think is a frustrated Gamma leading the pack, but I'm not sure why he's so scum read, which makes me think I need to go back and read the beginning of the game again, which I started doing. I do kind of agree with whomever said that thing about Ceph being similar to RB, and I think I need more than just that feeling to scum read him I think. I dunno, I'm just missing a ground hold here.

[Galron]

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

[Galron]

nvm. I see Taly called it.

[Galron]

I really don't think we need 10 hours though.

[Galron]

If Galron doesn't hammer soon I'm just going to self-hammer, because I'm not spending the night anxious about this game.

You're already self-voting.

[Galron]

Did I say ground hold? I meant foothold.

[Galron]

If Galron doesn't hammer soon I'm just going to self-hammer, because I'm not spending the night anxious about this game.

You're already self-voting.

I distinctly recall voting ulyana since then.

Fair enough. I'm not going to step on Taly though.

[Galron]

Tbf shiki was coming from an informed perspective with something to latch onto + more content (the callers)

I've asserted that was what helped me not flounder in that game
why is it valid for ulyana and not for me?

because ulyana did not out some very not-good takes

that's exactly the problem

she has barely any actual takes this game at all

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

then you're probably evil too because I think what I'm seeing should be plainly obvious if you even glance at ulyana's ISO or just pay attention to what she says as you read up
and this is a different brand of obviousness than what I was throwing around before, that's was like a bright flame to me, this is like a strong current of a river

Probably evil

seems strong for someone simply disagreeing with a read of yours. Are any of Infinity, skitter, of Ydrasse probably evil for disagreeing?

no, those are just about locked in, and I don't like you trying to steer suspicion towards the reads I feel the best about rn
tbh it sucks that the people I trust most seem to be the ones that want me dead the most, because the only hope I have is they have mercy in their hearts and don't forsake me

Are you playing dumb? It should be clear that I'm not steering suspicion towards those 3, and am instead questioning your own thoughts?

It seemed to me that Gamma was saying that those 3 were townreads before he got to the dunnstral read, which answers your question.

[Galron]

Infinity is scummy, skitter's post is less scummy, but if infinity is scum it reads like a way to distance without actually pushing. Also the gamma vote. Gamma probably is town

i think gamma is town

I'm not sure if these are connected, but they jumped out at me. Developing thoughts.

[Galron]

heya, i've skimmed the past 20 pages.

i think until/unless we have good reason to believe the chair is anything but a flip, we should just treat it as such.

gamma's tilt itself i don't really find scummy and can see coming from either alignment from him. but i don't like that his thought process doesn't really seem to match his actions, there were a few different instance of him calling people scummy but choosing someone else to vote (like choosing to vote pooky over pooky's solve that he agreed with, etc). also he was a shining beacon of towniness in radio buzz and i'm kinda wondering where that's gone and what's different here.

i also find infinity and dwlee suspicious. infinity feels weirdly stilted and kinda floating on the edge of things in a way that's reminiscent of her scumgame, and i think that if gamma is scum infinity is a viable partner.
dwlee is leaning too hard on the 'i have no idea what's going on here' bit.
(also ydra feels kinda off but i'd feel a little bad poking there too much atm so uh just gonna wait and see if her wim comes back soon-ish as it isn't a Critical part of the game just yet).

ulyana it's always so Exciting to find another incarnation of shiki in a game i think ur thought process r.e. what the chair is and prism is v townie for you

pooky is maybe town?
i don't really have thoughts on anybody else yet

VOTE: gamma

Skitter + infinity team? Maybe?

VOTE: infinity

go on

infinity what do u think abt my read on u?

also is the site being randomly slow to load for anybody else?

that was for dwlee ^

and infinity, ig i'm used to town-you strongly pushing back when i call u scum (esp. if you think i ought to be townreading you), but here you're just kinda accepting the read and not really having any sort of reaction

the other thing is that i don't think i've been super towny this game. i don't think i'm trying to look town but that's a hard thing to identify in other players

you feel kinda scummy to me tbh

This seems to be a Mexican standoff kind of thing, except skitter's right, Infinity isn't pushing back but defending herself. There's an accusation of a Dwlee/Infinity team and of a Skitter/Infinity team. But it's lacking an accusation of a Dwlee/Skitter team. Infinity didn't go there.

[Galron]

the issue that i'm having here is that i'm used to town-infinity having more 'oomph' and 'being here' more than she has been, esp. in response to my saying i scumread her. usually if town-her feels i'm reading her wrong (which has happened multiple times in the past), she kicks into gear, starts pushing me, and has a visceral sort of response. here she's kinda just passively accepting it and not really doing anything abt it, which i think is a reaction much more likely to come from scum-her.

like the fact that she's 'just kinda there' is what i'm finding scummy here.

You've got Infinity, Peta and me in the 'just kinda there' category. I don't disagree that I've been pretty inactive, but other than pushback from Infinity, what do you expect from Peta and from me?

[Galron]

I forgot to say this earlier - while infinity and dwlee are both independantly scummy i dont think they make ssense together

I missed this, and reading back skitter never explicity stated that they were a team; I just inferred that.

[Galron]

Can you, yourself, review the timeline of my suggestion and why I chose not to react to Pooky's?

Bonus if you can guess where the word acquitted originated in my mind

it wasn't the not responding to pooky as much as not having a similar thought yourself as it seems more likely, and would potentially lead to you actually wanting to be chosen,

like how did you decide that you being acquitted might be more likely than you simply being eliminated?

i assumed acquitted came from 'trial'

If it's a trial, maybe an acquittal reaps benefits for the team the defendant is a member of.

[Galron]

the issue that i'm having here is that i'm used to town-infinity having more 'oomph' and 'being here' more than she has been, esp. in response to my saying i scumread her. usually if town-her feels i'm reading her wrong (which has happened multiple times in the past), she kicks into gear, starts pushing me, and has a visceral sort of response. here she's kinda just passively accepting it and not really doing anything abt it, which i think is a reaction much more likely to come from scum-her.

like the fact that she's 'just kinda there' is what i'm finding scummy here.

You've got Infinity, Peta and me in the 'just kinda there' category. I don't disagree that I've been pretty inactive, but other than pushback from Infinity, what do you expect from Peta and from me?

In fact, I don't see Peta in that category.

[Galron]

I mean skitter hasn't posted yet cuz she's VLA

wouldn't it be a funny prank if she logged in and found out she's on some cool metal chair

heheehe

that would indeed!

I mean skitter hasn't posted yet cuz she's VLA

wouldn't it be a funny prank if she logged in and found out she's on some cool metal chair

heheehe

I like this concept.
VOTE: Skitter30

why are you taking this seriously?

but ur post was p clearly in jest so i wanna know why gamma is acting on it

It's funny how people just ran with this. That gamma was taking it seriously.

[Galron]

but ur post was p clearly in jest so i wanna know why gamma is acting on it

i think gamma playing into jester 'vote me' thing

also hi!

why are you taking this seriously?

He scoffed at me for suggesting we eliminate some one with 1 post lol.

its almost like he knows something we dont

It's like it snowballed, and this got Gamma more worked up. I don't see how Gamma voting skitter as a reaction to Pooky's joke is Gamma taking it seriously.

[Galron]

I feel like I'm doing a lot of Gamma defending, but his wagon being the initial wagon and not having any competition 3 days into the game seems off. If Gamma's scum, his buddies aren't doing their job.

[Galron]

Unless the Chair is a wanna-have item, but the consensus seems to believe it isn't.

[Galron]

"This will never do! Therefore, I have gifted you a way to deal with them. Behold.. the 'Chair of Execution'!"

This makes me think the Chair affects the entire scum team. Or the Chair is going to make other appearances. Surely the Chair wouldn't be the only way to "deal with them." Especially since it's an iron chair with restraints, I'm convinced we need scum in it.

[Galron]

I'm caught up enough I think. I just haven't found anything to really dig into. The mechanics seem the most interesting thing, but I don't think it's really the right time to talk about that, at least until we have the first challenge under our belts. My reads are awful, and I have this impression that no one's done or said anything really noteworthy. Like in Radio Buzz by this time we had several 1v1s or 1v1v1s. I see a few here, but they're junior varsity spats. I'm seeing what I think is a frustrated Gamma leading the pack, but I'm not sure why he's so scum read, which makes me think I need to go back and read the beginning of the game again, which I started doing. I do kind of agree with whomever said that thing about Ceph being similar to RB, and I think I need more than just that feeling to scum read him I think. I dunno, I'm just missing a ground hold here.

You feel very weird and like muted as compared to radio buzz. There iirc u also kinda missed fhe beginning of the game but ur contributions were p quickly p townie. Idk if the difference here is that u need more time to get into the swing pf things, or if ur just scum. Dunno how to differentiate between those universes just yet

Is there anything i can do to help you get into the game?

I don't know what the difference is. I'm doing my normal thing, other than getting a late start. It seems I got rung up pretty early in that game, and I had a better feel for the player list. I do remember that a lot of what I was saying early on was being misinterpreted, and Rousseau was stepping in and saying, "I think Galron meant this..." which was saving me a lot of grief. And at some point Kyouko started tunneling me in a pretty outrageous way, which gave me a focus.

[Galron]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

E-1

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

@galron like 3 posts on top of this u said u werenr sure if gamma is scum + u arent really caughr up / into the game yet. This intent is super premature in that context and doesnt really make sense

Ngl i'm starting to get some cold feet abt gamma
There's been like no resistance, the wagon comp keeps changing, and i dont like how people are popping out of the woodwork to vote him

The game seems stale, and I get the impression that the mechanics are playing a factor. So getting a flip to see what the hubub is about, even of someone you're unsure about, isn't the end of the world. It seems that Gamma has upped his effort the last day or so, but I don't mind a first day flip of someone I'm even null about in a large game to gain information. But last night, as I was going through things more thoroughly, I could kind of see where Gamma was coming from, and I had some empathy after being so misinterpreted last game.

[Galron]

I'm caught up enough I think. I just haven't found anything to really dig into. The mechanics seem the most interesting thing, but I don't think it's really the right time to talk about that, at least until we have the first challenge under our belts. My reads are awful, and I have this impression that no one's done or said anything really noteworthy. Like in Radio Buzz by this time we had several 1v1s or 1v1v1s. I see a few here, but they're junior varsity spats. I'm seeing what I think is a frustrated Gamma leading the pack, but I'm not sure why he's so scum read, which makes me think I need to go back and read the beginning of the game again, which I started doing. I do kind of agree with whomever said that thing about Ceph being similar to RB, and I think I need more than just that feeling to scum read him I think. I dunno, I'm just missing a ground hold here.

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

I really don't think we need 10 hours though.

So ur not caught up, dont have a foothold in the game, dont think anything noteworthy has happened, want to do a reread, dont ger why gamma is scimread, but want to hammer him and think waiting 10 hours to do so is too long.

Is that right?

I think I answered this right?

[Galron]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

E-1

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

@galron like 3 posts on top of this u said u werenr sure if gamma is scum + u arent really caughr up / into the game yet. This intent is super premature in that context and doesnt really make sense

Ngl i'm starting to get some cold feet abt gamma
There's been like no resistance, the wagon comp keeps changing, and i dont like how people are popping out of the woodwork to vote him

The game seems stale, and I get the impression that the mechanics are playing a factor. So getting a flip to see what the hubub is about, even of someone you're unsure about, isn't the end of the world. It seems that Gamma has upped his effort the last day or so, but I don't mind a first day flip of someone I'm even null about in a large game to gain information. But last night, as I was going through things more thoroughly, I could kind of see where Gamma was coming from, and I had some empathy after being so misinterpreted last game.

And I really don't understand why Gamma's vote on you was taken by so many people as a "very serious action." It seemed pretty obvious to me that it wasn't, but maybe I'm lacking some context or something.

[Galron]

At least now we have a viable counter to gamma, which helps make sense of the game. This one-wagon day was kinda inexplicable.

[Galron]

VOTE: sircakez

i'm going to vote my conscience

i don't have other scumreads right now and don't care

VOTE: galron

What's the progression here

the progression is that there was a wagon on galron that was a counter to gamma

This is valid.

[Galron]

I also don't understand the paid actor stuff. I thought it was unpaid actors vs stagehands. Where did paid actor come into it?

[Galron]

Unless people mean paid stagehands and not paid actors. That makes sense.

[Galron]

he stood silent when i think it benefitted scum to do so

Can you flesh this out?

[Galron]

basically, the prism / gamma kerfuffle was kinda weird to me due to the fact that every other decision slowed down quite a lot at the time, which makes me think scum were prolly benefitting from it in one way or another

you're not the only one who did this obviously, but that's still something nitable in my eyes

with that said i'm like on page 35 so i'll try to get done with it, just a few mid read proddings too
-> if the ceph SRs aren't around anymore : why

-> if the ceph SRs are still around, could y'all explain the meta there?

on top of that Toog seems really lackluster so i think it might be town indicative

pedit : answer to 1299

The gamma/prism thing squatting to me being scummy doesn't make sense to me, especially when you say I'm one of several. I don't think you're going me rn, and even if you are, it seems like you're just adding fuel when there are others you actually think may be scum.

[Galron]

Can someone tell me what ig means?

[Galron]

We can easily settle this coaching debate once and for all.

Gypyx, who do you most look up to in this playerlist?

Because everyone is truthful in mafia.

[Galron]

Okay, and do you feel confident in your reads so far, Pooky?

I'm not really confident preflip esp with the weird way this game is setup

I still dont even know wtf we're actually voting for yet.

I'd have to think at least the first event is an elim, esp bc we have a chair that conducts electricity and has restraints.

[Galron]

ig means “I guess”, at least that’s how so use it

Can someone tell me what ig means?

i guess

Thank you.

[Galron]

basically, the prism / gamma kerfuffle was kinda weird to me due to the fact that every other decision slowed down quite a lot at the time, which makes me think scum were prolly benefitting from it in one way or another

you're not the only one who did this obviously, but that's still something nitable in my eyes

with that said i'm like on page 35 so i'll try to get done with it, just a few mid read proddings too
-> if the ceph SRs aren't around anymore : why

-> if the ceph SRs are still around, could y'all explain the meta there?

on top of that Toog seems really lackluster so i think it might be town indicative

pedit : answer to 1299

The gamma/prism thing squatting to me being scummy doesn't make sense to me, especially when you say I'm one of several. I don't think you're going me rn, and even if you are, it seems like you're just adding fuel when there are others you actually think may be scum.

Let me try this again:

The gamma/prism thing equating to me being scummy doesn't make sense to me, especially when you say I'm one several. I don't think you're voting me rn, and even if youi are, it seems like you're just adding fuel whne there are others you actually think may be scum.

[Galron]

I don't think he is being coached i think he is just town, for the record
also nothing Galron is posting is making me want to move my vote

So scum case me.

[Galron]

What’s this about conducting electricity

It's an iron chair.

[Galron]

My thoughts on the wagon are it seems mostly backed by those in my upper tiers, so that’s a good sign
My opinion of Galron himself is that he kinda has started to feel like he did in Radio Buzz but I lack a hard instance of where I’m getting that feeling, it’s just there. However, I also vaguely TRed scum Galron in mini 2234 so I probably just don’t know him well enough to claim actual accuracy at reading him.
So like, I don’t feel like I personally want to be a part of the wagon, but I’m not stopping others from pursuing the Galron elim if that’s what they think will flip scum.

Started to feel like I was in RB, how so? I was scum read for the large part of Day 1, and it was 50/50 to the extremes for the rest of the game. Without Skitter and Shiki, I wouldn't have survived. So I'm a bit confused.

[Galron]

Hrmph. The flavor doesn’t mention anything about conducting electricity though. Why’s that a sticking point for you?

Because metal chairs with restraints make me think electric chair. So I double checked to make sure iron conducts electricity, and wiki says it does.

[Galron]

And if it's not a chair that you wouldn't want to sit in, why would there be restraints? Unless you're in to that sort of thing I guess.

[Galron]

I like that response.

I like that response.

me too now i feel bad

So what does "without half forcing me to play the game and think about peeps" even mean?

[Galron]

For a solid chunk of time from mid-D1 to some time D3 you were solid town for me, because a couple of the things you posted felt towny for kinda oddball reasons

I was giving town reads that game, which is different from this one. I actually had some decent town reads Day 1 in RB, but this game, I got Taly and ??? I actually think you may be town, which is not my default read on you because you've fooled me so many times. But you seem vulnerable here, and that isn't what I usually see from you, which kind of makes me think your'e town.

[Galron]

Hrmph. The flavor doesn’t mention anything about conducting electricity though. Why’s that a sticking point for you?

Because metal chairs with restraints make me think electric chair. So I double checked to make sure iron conducts electricity, and wiki says it does.

meh
I don’t make that same immediate association, probably because of Mysterious Benedict Society and the Whisperer

And if it's not a chair that you wouldn't want to sit in, why would there be restraints? Unless you're in to that sort of thing I guess.

To ensure the person doesn’t run from whatever fate awaits them
It could be that the death is by lethal injection.

That's not how lethal injection works. That's how an Edgar Allan Poe novel works. Like The Pit and the Pendulum. You tie your victim down.

[Galron]

For a solid chunk of time from mid-D1 to some time D3 you were solid town for me, because a couple of the things you posted felt towny for kinda oddball reasons

I was giving town reads that game, which is different from this one. I actually had some decent town reads Day 1 in RB, but this game, I got Taly and ??? I actually think you may be town, which is not my default read on you because you've fooled me so many times. But you seem vulnerable here, and that isn't what I usually see from you, which kind of makes me think your'e town.

I only recall the one georgebailey scumgame against you?

I don't recall. That one made an impression to be sure though because I was certain they wouldn't have two scum backup neighbors. I think there have been others under aliases though. I'm not real sure about that though.

[Galron]

I like that response.

I like that response.

me too now i feel bad

So what does "without half forcing me to play the game and think about peeps" even mean?

i assumed he meant he often has to force himself to play because he's not motivated

I could see that if the "think about peeps" thing wasn't there.

[Galron]

Galron. By all accounts he should be okay with voting him given his townreads are on there and Galron is a toss up for him.

If it's a scum!Gamma, sure. But if it's a town!gamma and he's sincere about him trying to do other things when he was vote hopping, he's on point. And I get that I just said that Mafia is not a game where everyone is honest.

[Galron]

It's kinda buggin me out, Pooky, that you aren't voting me. Usually when flashwagons sprout, you're right there.

[Galron]

Stop talking about the chair having restraints please

Chekhov's gun.

[Galron]

No argument there.

[Galron]

No argument there.

Other than that you were tricking me even though it was a mechanic of the game. I wouldn't have made that declaration otherwise.

[Galron]

Stop talking about the chair having restraints please

Chekhov's gun.

this seems not super likely to apply to a mafia game

Maybe not, but Radio Buzz was a special game, where the colour was particularly good and poignant. I'm not putting in past Tweet to stick in something that seems innocuous to be a component that needs attention. Why even mention that it's an iron chair and that it has restraints (sorry dwlee)? Yes, it's descriptive, but it could've been a chair made of silver or gold and have velvet padding. That would've really thrown me for a loop as far as wondering whether the chair was a good thing or bad thing.

[Galron]

It's 0 relevant to the game

Stop talking about the chair having restraints please

Chekhov's gun.

this seems not super likely to apply to a mafia game

That two people in the span of minutes say it's probably not relevant makes me think otherwise.

[Galron]

mb this chair actually does something good and he doesnt want galron to sit on it

lol

This is starting to feel like Brer Rabbit.

[Galron]

It's kinda buggin me out, Pooky, that you aren't voting me. Usually when flashwagons sprout, you're right there.

but im being serious this game lol

also i havent actually had time to figure u out yet

I can roll with that I guess. Seems out of character, but okay.

[Galron]

mb this chair actually does something good and he doesnt want galron to sit on it

lol

This is starting to feel like Brer Rabbit.

whats brer rabbit

Don't throw me into the briar patch territory.

[Galron]

i mean if u want me to vote you just ask and ill vote for u

You may want to think about it because we need more than one person to get to E-2 or E-1 today.

[Galron]

i have no idea what that means

“I don’t care what you do with me, Brer Fox” said Brer Rabbit. “Just don’t fling me in that briar patch over there. Roast me, Brer Fox, but don’t fling me in in that briar patch,” said Brer Rabbit.

“It’s so much trouble to start a fire,” said Brer Fox, “that I think I’d rather hang you.”

“Hang me just as high as you please, Brer Fox,” said Brer Rabbit, “but for Lord’s sake don’t fling me in in that briar patch.”

“I don’t have any string,” said Brer Fox, “so I think I’d rather drown you.”

“Drown me just as deep as you please, Brer Fox,” said Brer Rabbit, “but for Lord’s sake don’t fling me in in that briar patch.”

“There’s no water nearby,” said Brer Fox, “so I think I’d rather skin you.”

“Skin me, Brer Fox, snatch out my eyeballs, tear out my ears by the roots, and cut off my legs,” said Brer Rabbit. “Only please, Brer Fox, please don’t throw me into the briar patch.”

“It’s not going to be much fun skinning you,” said Brer Fox, “you’re not scared of that. But you are scared of the briar patch.”

And with that, Brer Fox yanked Brer Rabbit off the Baby, and he flung him -KERPLUNK!- right into the briar patch.

Well, there was a flutter where Brer Rabbit landed, then “Ooo! Oow! Ouch!” he screeched and he squalled. Then after a while, there was only a weak whisper from Brer Rabbit. Brer Fox listened.

“I got him! Brer Rabbit is dead!” said Brer Fox.

But then he heard a scuffling away at the other end of the briar patch. And low and behold, who does Brer Fox see scrambling out but Brer Rabbit himself, playing a briar bush whistle.

“Born and bred in the briar patch, that’s me,” laughed Brer Rabbit. “I told you not to throw me there. In all the world, that’s the place I love best!”

With a lippity clip, he hopped away.

https://www.abelard.org/brer_fox_brer_r ... _patch.php

[Galron]

mb this chair actually does something good and he doesnt want galron to sit on it

lol

This is starting to feel like Brer Rabbit.

whats brer rabbit

Don't throw me into the briar patch territory.

I think that's what Pooky was getting at.

[Galron]

Okay
Doesn’t change what I posted; if you think I’m playing to get into the chair because there’s some benefit to it then you should be properly litigating that suspicion. The “you” in that post is variable.

I think that's why Pooky made note of it. That you're just now getting around to figuring this out on the surface seems townie, but I think it's been mentioned more than once, so

[Galron]

I'm caught up enough I think. I just haven't found anything to really dig into. The mechanics seem the most interesting thing, but I don't think it's really the right time to talk about that, at least until we have the first challenge under our belts. My reads are awful, and I have this impression that no one's done or said anything really noteworthy. Like in Radio Buzz by this time we had several 1v1s or 1v1v1s. I see a few here, but they're junior varsity spats. I'm seeing what I think is a frustrated Gamma leading the pack, but I'm not sure why he's so scum read, which makes me think I need to go back and read the beginning of the game again, which I started doing. I do kind of agree with whomever said that thing about Ceph being similar to RB, and I think I need more than just that feeling to scum read him I think. I dunno, I'm just missing a ground hold here.

You feel very weird and like muted as compared to radio buzz. There iirc u also kinda missed fhe beginning of the game but ur contributions were p quickly p townie. Idk if the difference here is that u need more time to get into the swing pf things, or if ur just scum. Dunno how to differentiate between those universes just yet

Is there anything i can do to help you get into the game?

I don't know what the difference is. I'm doing my normal thing, other than getting a late start. It seems I got rung up pretty early in that game, and I had a better feel for the player list. I do remember that a lot of what I was saying early on was being misinterpreted, and Rousseau was stepping in and saying, "I think Galron meant this..." which was saving me a lot of grief. And at some point Kyouko started tunneling me in a pretty outrageous way, which gave me a focus.

the pl's between the 2 games overlap quite a bit
but idk there u got into the game p early and were involved and were forming reads that you wanted to make sure u got out before getting hammered and were making very astute observations about the game when u were posting
here you're just kinda floating, don't really have that many reads, and i hate ur willingness to hammer gamma despite ostensibly not having a scumread on him without doing the catchup that u were indicating u were going to do

:shrug: I guess. I'm not going to post just to be town or to sound town or to fit in. Yes, I said I wanted to re-read some things but the Gamma flip was going to give us an idea of what is going on with this game.

[Galron]

I'm as intrigued as anyone to see what nightless events look like.

[Galron]

Pooky I'm pretty sure you've brought that up before. What are you asking?

[Galron]

VOTE: ulyana

[Galron]

VOTE: ulyana

yeah? is this what we do when wagoned now

Just because I'm wagoned doesn't mean I don't get to figure out who the baddies are, right?

[Galron]

Just because I'm wagoned doesn't mean I don't get to figure out who the baddies are, right?

was just noting that both you and gamma reached for this

but also

i'm not a baddie

Assuming you mean reaching for this means voting for you in an attempt at figuring you out, I don't know/recall whether Gamma did this. That you're personalizing an awful lot of posts leads me to trying to get a handle on you. I think you could artfully talk your way out of a basket of snakes, and your posting so far has been more about that rather than how the snakes got in the basket to begin with.

[Galron]

please don't read too much into it -- not a Mafia metaphor.

Tweet wouldn't roll the snakes so much as command.

[Galron]

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be. But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense. Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

[Galron]

every1 needs to stop wasting time and just vote one of galron/gamma

if you think galron/gamma are T/T then make your case

lets get going

I thought the working theory was that we're s/s

[Galron]

So this accelerates my progression with

Galron.

Forget the scummer word game,

Galron

, do you mind if I openly guess your alt? Is there a way I would know who if I'm correct?

I'm sure you got it. It would throw Pooky off because he has played with me being scum before, and I don't think there's a noticeable difference.

[Galron]

Galron > Gamma scum likeliness

Your unwillingness to tell me why I'm scum is disappointing.

[Galron]

personally i wouldn't want to end the day yet, i don't feel like i have a lot of great reads. but i can see why people would

I'm not particularly keen on ending up in the Chair myself.

[Galron]

I'm either voting all with scum or like mostly town

This goes to saber's question.

[Galron]

Both of Gamma and Galron's reasons for not voting each other are bizarre, and pursuing vanity show runs elsewhere is independently stagehandy, but I don't think their interactions are Stagehand-Stagehand, and 1258.

Can you explain bizarre to me?

[Galron]

That just sounds like an outlandish word to describe not voting for someone. Extreme, so to speak.

[Galron]

gamma suspecting dunn here is probably a towntell

I don't understand this either.

[Galron]

My point there was I am constantly mind melding with Ceph and it doesn't make sense for him to be scum with that in mind

wait where did this happen, i thought u were scumreading him

a little while ago I posted about it, I changed my read

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

I could sheep these
Dunn feels extremely underwhelming
And I didn't like Uly's response to being accused

That's the second time you've said you could sheep. That seems worth noting. And what about page 57 seems desperate?

[Galron]

i really hate writing cases and literally only one time ever have I written one and people listened to me so I'll pass

You can't even be arsed to make a case. Why not?

[Galron]

To answer that would prolly go into AtE, and I'd rather pass.

[Galron]

Galron

, do you think I'm suggestable to AtE?

Very much so.

[Galron]

Why not.

VOTE: Gamma

[Galron]

So this accelerates my progression with

Galron.

Forget the scummer word game,

Galron

, do you mind if I openly guess your alt? Is there a way I would know who if I'm correct?

I'm sure you got it. It would throw Pooky off because he has played with me being scum before, and I don't think there's a noticeable difference.

Then why do you feel so unimpassioned this game? That aligns more with what I predict scum-you is, but it's not like you've tried to gain thread control or assert your viewpoints on setup beyond speculation (which is a trait I believe is NAI of you but that's the difference in this game and

Dung Beetle

, so I don't know how to read you.).

p-edit

Ugh, nobody mentioned L-1.

There's currently 3 people I'd rather chair than

Galron

at the moment.

Let me ask this. We played two beetle games. One I was town, the other scum. Did you notice any differences between those two? And how about each of those versus this one?

[Galron]

So this accelerates my progression with

Galron.

Forget the scummer word game,

Galron

, do you mind if I openly guess your alt? Is there a way I would know who if I'm correct?

I'm sure you got it. It would throw Pooky off because he has played with me being scum before, and I don't think there's a noticeable difference.

Then why do you feel so unimpassioned this game? That aligns more with what I predict scum-you is, but it's not like you've tried to gain thread control or assert your viewpoints on setup beyond speculation (which is a trait I believe is NAI of you but that's the difference in this game and

Dung Beetle

, so I don't know how to read you.).

p-edit

Ugh, nobody mentioned L-1.

There's currently 3 people I'd rather chair than

Galron

at the moment.

There was also the chiptune mafia game. 2125 iirc. I was scum in that one.

[Galron]

Nancy did a good job.

[Galron]

Reasonably anyway considering the weird mechanics that S_S came up with.

[Galron]

Sorry, Taly. I forgot about that.

[Galron]

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be.

But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense.

Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

what? if gamma is town why does a counter on you spring up ...?

Because it makes no sense to have one wagon on Day 1. That's what I was saying. This game made no sense without a counter-wagon. And without the first promising wagon to fall apart.

[Galron]

If Gamma's scum, then good on everyone for spotting it so quickly. Or it could be that Gamma's town, and people were just anxious to get Event 1 out of the way. Or it could be something else. Who knows. But I've never been in a large game where the first wagon sailed through. And bonus, there's scum at the end. That doesn't make sense to me.

[Galron]

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be.

But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense.

Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

what? if gamma is town why does a counter on you spring up ...?

Because it makes no sense to have one wagon on Day 1. That's what I was saying. This game made no sense without a counter-wagon. And without the first promising wagon to fall apart.

sorry my brain is fried tonight and maybe i'm beign really slow and missing something that you're trying to say
from scum's pov why do they wagon you in the instance that gamma is town?

They don't. But it gives people who are on the fence leave to vote someone other than the leading wagon.

[Galron]

In RB somehow we figured out the two D1 leading wagons were S/S. To me that's an absolute anomoly. But hey, I'm not the vet here.

[Galron]

so from your pov what have scum been doing this phase?

Matadoring Gamma's wagon.

[Galron]

so from your pov what have scum been doing this phase?

Matadoring Gamma's wagon.

I understand this as scum targeting

Gamma's

mislim?

How do you feel about

Pooky

wanting the vote to come down to both of you, then?

Just a matter of wanting a flip, an end to the day. In a large, the first flip is information and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Especially here where there aren't any power roles. My guess is several people are at that point. We're 70 pages in or whatever and really haven't gotten anywhere.

[Galron]

Yeah, what Pooky said.

[Galron]

every1 needs to stop wasting time and just vote one of galron/gamma

if you think galron/gamma are T/T then make your case

lets get going

VOTE: Galron
I still think this is a misyeet but it's pretty clearly locked between us two here.

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be. But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense. Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

Look at this and then look at what Galron has posted more recently. I don’t see any reason for his view of the game to have shifted besides pure survival instinct, in which case why the fuck didn’t he shift sooner? It’s because he’s scum who was hoping his refusal to act would get him off the hook.

VOTE: Galron
I still think this is a misyeet but it's pretty clearly locked between us two here.

How are these two plays different again?

I stood by my read. Galron tried to slither out of TRing me.

How am I not not scumreading you?

[Galron]

Yeah, what Pooky said.

I refuse to believe you somehow missed Pooky saying that bit before. Your posting felt like you knew he was putting the vote between us. You. Are. SCUM!

You can refuse to believe it, but I can about guarantee you that the timestamp doesn't lie.

[Galron]

What are words for if no one listens, it's no use talking at all.

[Galron]

Galron

, how do you feel about

Saber

?

I'd have to look, but based on my recollection from the past few pages. Well, I don't want to go there because I can't really articulate it right now, and I don't think I have an educated view to be objective about it. I guess she's probably fine, but I can't commit to that.

[Galron]

Why ask me about Saber in particular?

[Galron]

What a strange answer. Just saying contestant would've saved you a lot of time, you know.

I tend to type my thoughts and often change direction midstream. It kinda helps develop things for me to have what I've been thinking in black & white. I say that but a lot of times I just put down the conclusion without the reasoning behind it which frustrates people.

[Galron]

Why ask me about Saber in particular?

probably because saber is aggressively pushing gamma

In that case I really hadn't noticed. I knew Saber was favoring executing gamma over me, but that's about it. It's difficult for me to keep track of everyone's position.

[Galron]

its kind of weird Galron doesn't notice Saber is like his biggest advocate for the last 15 pages or so lol

I don't have a response to that.

[Galron]

VOTE: Dunnstral
Pooky+Taly+Toog+Galron+Cakez+my vote makes 6

Why would I vote Dunn?

[Galron]

are we just hoping for the benefit mostly?

I think I'm going to vote spare because it seems to me Gamma is just town. Is that what you're questioning?

[Galron]

I don't really understand the language that the benefit occurs after the game. I'm not sure how that helps. Do we get cake and ice cream or something?

[Galron]

If I'm looking at it from a personal pov, the sabotage was done to set me up. That's the first thing I thought when I saw that pooky died instead of me. But we don't know what the saboteurs knew -- if they knew that when they pulled the trigger, pooky would die and I wouldn't. I think if Gamma were scum he would have said no to the sabotage if that were known. Unless this is some kind of big brain play. I guess since I'm limbait that could be the case. But Gamma chose to vote me, who is limbait, instead of anyone else. Would scum!gamma do that?

[Galron]

I don't really understand the language that the benefit occurs after the game. I'm not sure how that helps. Do we get cake and ice cream or something?

for next event i assumed when i read it

Mm yes. That makes more sense.

[Galron]

Really, scum in that situation would be better served to kill someone in the middle of the pack I would think.

[Galron]

When we get flips that may up the WIFOM.

[Galron]

VOTE: spare

I would like to hear more of ulyana's thoughts on this.

[Galron]

I think we're at -2.

[Galron]

i don't think pooky was killed because of mech spec lol


although he is shockingly good at guessing the twists in these roller coaster ride games


he was killed because he was highly motivated and obvious town who is capable of dominating a thread and often has good reads

it's an obvious and boring answer and i don't know that there's a lot of insight to be gleaned from it

Why the assumption that pooky was an intended target? This doesn't bode well for me, but what if they just didn't want me killed bc they knew I'm limbait and "another player will be executed" type thing happened?

[Galron]

IE, if y'all want me to contribute until Event Three, call me.

OK, this is really boring and I don't want to be a wallflower.

Can y'all give me questions and prompts?

If you can't find the questions sitting out there, I don't know what to tell you. There are so many unknowns I'm questioning everything.

[Galron]

Why the assumption that pooky was an intended target? This doesn't bode well for me, but what if they just didn't want me killed bc they knew I'm limbait and "another player will be executed" type thing happened?

almost not worth dignifying this with a response but given who the kill hit i did not assume it was random. (i forgot that potential randomness was even an aspect of the setup until this post). scum would have significantly less incentive to sabotage onto a random target because it could potentially hit a player in the POE (i mean, unless they really wanted to save their teammate...)

Don't mince words or anything.

[Galron]

i don't think pooky was killed because of mech spec lol


although he is shockingly good at guessing the twists in these roller coaster ride games


he was killed because he was highly motivated and obvious town who is capable of dominating a thread and often has good reads

it's an obvious and boring answer and i don't know that there's a lot of insight to be gleaned from it

Why the assumption that pooky was an intended target? This doesn't bode well for me, but what if they just didn't want me killed bc they knew I'm limbait and "another player will be executed" type thing happened?

So you think it was random?

I think it COULD HAVE BEEN random. Not that it was. I have no information one way or another.

[Galron]

IE, if y'all want me to contribute until Event Three, call me.

OK, this is really boring and I don't want to be a wallflower.

Can y'all give me questions and prompts?

If you can't find the questions sitting out there, I don't know what to tell you. There are so many unknowns I'm questioning everything.

I can't tell if you're genuinely trying to make me critically think or reinforce my own uncertainties about the game.

Your posts aren't adding substance or a new perspective to what we already know, which I scumread.

Really don't understand this. We have two events, three I guess, where town had no idea what the outcome would be. And you're accusing me of engraining doubt into your process. If it's redundant for you, fine. Scum read me. But as far as I'm concerned it's kind of wide open as to what happened, and in my search for understanding, your impugning my thoughts is a significant distraction because I town read you, and I think you're pretty swift. If I have to convince the most town read player that the events could have a number of motivations/rules behind them, I don't know what to say.

[Galron]

i don't think pooky was killed because of mech spec lol


although he is shockingly good at guessing the twists in these roller coaster ride games


he was killed because he was highly motivated and obvious town who is capable of dominating a thread and often has good reads

it's an obvious and boring answer and i don't know that there's a lot of insight to be gleaned from it

Why the assumption that pooky was an intended target? This doesn't bode well for me, but what if they just didn't want me killed bc they knew I'm limbait and "another player will be executed" type thing happened?

So you think it was random?

I think it COULD HAVE BEEN random. Not that it was. I have no information one way or another.

For all I know the direction could have been "If you sabatoge this event you are guaranteed that a town player will be executed." Or a town PR will be executed. Or a random player will be executed.

The questions are when did scum have to make a decision and what options were they given. Why would they sabotage an event when a guaranteed townie was going to get the axe? There had to have been some determining factor. Would they take the shot at limming someone else, including one of their own (which would be a 3/15 chance) when they knew I was an easy launch target?

[Galron]

Or a town PR will be executed.

?

I'm not sure the confusion. We don't know what they were told. And they could have been told that a Town PR would be executed if they sabotaged. Unlikely, in my opinion, but possible nonetheless.

[Galron]

How many times this game has it been made clear that there are no town prs?

My fault. Good point. I forgot.

[Galron]

Merchant's Daughter

and

Among Us

mafia (before I rep'd due to life circumstances) are really good examples of this.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85156
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78670

In that Among Us game, you said something about feeling frustrated when people don't even acknowledge you when you give reads. I kind of feel like that with this game, but I've really given no reads. It seems people aren't understanding why I don't have reads. In fact, I've picked up more reads from the two after events than from Day 1.

[Galron]

Ulyana doesn't seem right to me. When I was in the PT with her in Radio Buzz, we were mind melding quite a bit. Here, though, I can't see where she's coming from. The doubts she's expressing about Gamma don't jibe with me. It irritates me because I want to town read her. I don't see her identifying patterns like she was in RB, and that's part of it.

[Galron]

ydrasse i hope you get motivated to play i wanna play with you

Is this ydrasse's normal style? I mean I've played maybe three games with her, and all of them have been her at least acting like she's checked out and only posts because she has to.

[Galron]

That's what was current when I was in thread and Ulyana is one of my only townreads in this game. I didn't like the push there.

So what is it about Ulyana that you town read?

[Galron]

Spoiler: 4 pooky ONLY

Did not click on the spoiler out of respect.

[Galron]

And I kinda wish skitter wasn't vla on weekends right now because I can usually use her posts as a jumping off point to get me to think of things.

[Galron]

As it stands, her read on me is bad, and I don't know if that's my fault or hers.

[Galron]

Yeah it’s a 12-hour video but at least it’s finite.
This is my contribution to Pooky’s musical memorial service of sorts. It’s been a spot of comfort while I’ve grappled with my demons these past several days. Hopefully y’all enjoy it.

I'm just going to say it. I think Pooky is town, but we don't know that yet. So any tributes to him are premature.

[Galron]

Merchant's Daughter

and

Among Us

mafia (before I rep'd due to life circumstances) are really good examples of this.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85156
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78670

In that Among Us game, you said something about feeling frustrated when people don't even acknowledge you when you give reads. I kind of feel like that with this game, but I've really given no reads. It seems people aren't understanding why I don't have reads. In fact, I've picked up more reads from the two after events than from Day 1.

How can I help you feel more understood?

I think I need to look for something that I missed before.

[Galron]

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

you think dwlee about to be flipped or…?

no just

down the line


anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up

This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.

[Galron]

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

you think dwlee about to be flipped or…?

no just

down the line


anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up

This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.

This was the spare/execute phase. I didn't realize we had moved on when I wrote it.

[Galron]

hm, anyone feeling any different about the spare now?

I haven't seen a benefit.

[Galron]

VOTE: gamma

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

I read it wrong.

[Galron]

and the end goal of that is ... ?

? to have something to point to as reasoning for having eliminated me?

why do you think I eliminate you over someone more presently causing me problems if I'm scum?

[Galron]

The majority of minigames are going to have to involve somebody dying, if not all of them

right but could be done in such a way that cephrir being scumread by certain players wouldn't stop him from feeling like he could play the game, is what i mean,

like if cephrir is town i am saying that maybe next minigame is something where the views of others maybe not as much of a worry, if that makes sense

Do you think this is a still a possibility? How?

[Galron]

like let's say this chair thing is something good.

and Gamma is trying to get into the chair because he's a stagehand and he knows the chair is good.[Theory]

Dunnstral is saying the theory is incorrect because Gamma could've just voted himself into the chair but Gamma didn't - hence he can't be a stagehand who wants to get into the chair. [Theory is wrong]

This completely ignores the fact that if Gamma were to vote himself into the chair, and it was something good, Gamma would look hella susp for it, aka the rest of the game when maybe we get a chance to kill him.

So it's not as simple as Dunnstral is making it.

Dunnstral is like

good

at mech, so he should recognize this, but he simplifies it.

That feels informed to me.

Also he ignored Gamma's vote on him completely and chooses to comment on this part without really commenting on actual relevant shit.

[Galron]

please don't read too much into it -- not a Mafia metaphor.

nono i mean

why do you think i would be able to talk my way out of a basket of snakes?

as that generally isn't how i would describe myself and i don't really think others would really either? or at least they have not in the past?

so i wonder what gives you that impression

I don't recall whether I addressed this. Talking yourself out of basket of snakes was me saying that you are so flexible in your thinking and awareness that you would find a way to cleanly escape a dangerous situation. As applied to mafia, it's just words that we have, and whether you're town or not, your abilities would be effective.

[Galron]

The majority of minigames are going to have to involve somebody dying, if not all of them

right but could be done in such a way that cephrir being scumread by certain players wouldn't stop him from feeling like he could play the game, is what i mean,

like if cephrir is town i am saying that maybe next minigame is something where the views of others maybe not as much of a worry, if that makes sense

Do you think this is a still a possibility? How?

i mean, i do not think it is possible that cephrir can be engaged in this event in a way he was unable to be by the first one due to having been eliminated

but! i assume you are asking if it is a possibility for you due to finding yourself in a similar position with regards to stated reads of certain members of the thread

and! if you do feel like you definitely going to end up in the duel here than campaigning for who you think is definitely a scums to end up in the duel with you makes sense as town right even if you feel like you cannot impact those reads but like, it's very early in this event,

The principle point I took from your post was that it could be that this event is less in our control as the others have been so far, but we don't know how we lack control, like there's an extra vote, or if a townie is voted, that townie is impervious to elimination, becoming an IC.

And no, I hadn't applied that possibility to myself but I probably should.

If you're talking a gladiate type event, I had considered that, but I don't know how that would work unless it's the next event following this.

[Galron]

I don't recall whether I addressed this. Talking yourself out of basket of snakes was me saying that you are so flexible in your thinking and awareness that you would find a way to cleanly escape a dangerous situation. As applied to mafia, it's just words that we have, and whether you're town or not, your abilities would be effective.

i guess from my experience, it feels far more likely to me that i would talk my way into the basket of snakes than out of it? like i often have a lot of difficulty communicating effectively and sometimes i cause disasters which i have been working very hard about avoiding when possible, so it felt like a very weird description of me to me

I can appreciate that, but if you recall, Indiana Jones essentially talked himself into a snake pit, and he was deft enough to figure a way out.

[Galron]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

I need to take a look at it. I've been re-reading certain posts, some that I feel I'm seeing for the first time.

[Galron]

If you're talking a gladiate type event, I had considered that, but I don't know how that would work unless it's the next event following this.

curious as to what you think duel to the death entails here then

It would need to be lmited to "these two players are the candidates for execution; you may not vote for anyone either than one of them"

[Galron]

Or I'm sure there's another way, but I think you get what I'm driving at.

[Galron]

I don't want to deal w Galron right now

It seems you would find yourself compelled to deal with me. Is peta's approach to me genuine?

[Galron]

like i get that our duel as presented is not exactly that but... it seems close enough to qualify as gladiate type event?

like if i found it likely i would end up chosen i would want to have an active input into who i was dueling gladiator style, and also angling for gun first or gun second, et cetera

Yes you are correct. I'm terrible at reading instructions. That's what our duel would be.

I don't know what gun first or gun second goes to, I'm unfamiliar. But yes, it appears this is ending in a gladiate.

[Galron]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

Your cause of pressuring Cakez?

[Galron]

I'm extremely frustrated. I feel like I'm playing a completely different game, and I'm getting angry. At myself for not seeing what others are.

[Galron]

After reading ulyana I'm getting more of a feeling from her similar to Radio Buzz where she has this holistic approach, and most others, esp me, are not seeing what she does and not listenting to her attempts at relating it.

[Galron]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

Your cause of pressuring Cakez?

Voting Dunn

Why do you prefe Dunnstral over Cakez?

[Galron]

@peta but my gut says galron is town

guttttttt

shrug i don't really care, he hasn't towntold and should die at some point in this game

that does not necessarily have to be this phase even though in my heart i want him dead instantly

So what makes my presence so threatening?

[Galron]

@peta but my gut says galron is town

guttttttt

shrug i don't really care, he hasn't towntold and should die at some point in this game

that does not necessarily have to be this phase even though in my heart i want him dead instantly

It seems a number of people want you eliminated as well. Are you concerned with that?

[Galron]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

Your cause of pressuring Cakez?

Voting Dunn

Why do you prefe Dunnstral over Cakez?

I think

Pooky

had a good read on him in that post you quoted not long ago, and I'm currently deliberating on my read with

SirCakez

as his recent posts haven't pinged me.

I think Cakez is avoiding my slot because he couldn't make a case on me. I'm more willing to vacate Cakez, but I will consider Dunnstral.

[Galron]

Outside of

Gamma V Galron

,

Pooky

directed majority of his attention, more so EoD, to

Saber/Dunn/Peta

. I think that contributed to his NK.

there is like

a lot of personal history w/r/t me/pooky you are not privy to

and that was playing into how he interacted with me

i just think you should be aware because i think how he treated me looks wildly different to someone with no context

If there is a way that you can describe this with more precision?

[Galron]

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

you think dwlee about to be flipped or…?

no just

down the line


anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up

This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.

shut the fuck up wolf

If that's what you want to do, that's fine.

[Galron]

Peta sounds either like someone trying to get a reaction or frustrated town at this point.

[Galron]

That’s not what my read is about at all
It has to do with what she posts when she’s posting, activity level is irrelevant

I think I asked earlier if ydrasse plays like this as town as a matter of course. Do you see the disengagement and beetlejuicing that I do?

[Galron]

Hi Dwlee

[Galron]

Your host raises a finger and takes on a serious tone.

"No actors were harmed in the shooting of that last scene. It's all practical effects, CGI.. you know!"

The guillotine and the chair are whisked away, along with PookyTheMagicalBear and Cephrir.

"The show goes on! Oh, how I've been waiting for this one--!"

You hear the sounds of chains and rustling of fabric. A wall of glass appears from behind a pair of twin curtains. Inside, you observe a table and set of two chairs.

The host appears inside the room and hops on a chair, before slamming an item down on the counter. You hear her voice play over a loudspeaker,

"I wonder if those at home recognize this little game!"

You approach the pane of glass to get a better look. You recognize the item, now -- a six-shooter revolver.

This doesn't look like a traditinal duel. It looks like Russian Roulette.

[Galron]

Like Deerhunter. Competition Russian Roulette.

[Galron]

VOTE: Galron

I have a hunch.

[Galron]

Just a hunch.

[Galron]

Leave your vote where it is please.

[Galron]

Yes. I have a hunch.

[Galron]

Hi Dwlee

shut the fuck up wolf

It's a theme.

[Galron]

my guess for this game is that the chair gives the player the ability to pick today's elimination

my guess for the scum sabotage is that they can make it so the chair is a death trap and kills the person who sits in it.

That sounds like scum couldn't be eliminated day one though. Kinda unfun

Unless Gamma is scum, that's exactly what happened.

[Galron]

Trust these people until the end of time: Taly, Infinity, Skitter, Ydrasse
Good folks to keep around: Gypyx, Galron, Sircakez, Pooky
Could do with a touching-up: Saber, Toogeloo, Dwlee
Remove them from the premises: Cephrir, Dunnstral, Ulyana, Petapan

Since I’m not long for this world I may as well leave this as a parting gift.

I don't understand how I became someone good to keep around to an off with their head.

[Galron]

Kinda like dwlee. A lot of the same thoughts.