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[Wisdom]

hai
tsq/std is tvt
VOTE: woolax

[Wisdom]

To save your time don't ask me why they're tvt, I just skimmed and gutread them

[Wisdom]

I can vote Brain cell too
Thats who I wanted to vote but I thought mastina is in it for some reason and the claim changed my mind
VOTE: brain cell

[Wisdom]

Someone said Bell is always scummy, might be that

[Wisdom]

Nancy looks town

[Wisdom]

VOTE: chowchow

Hi fb, yeah been a while

[Wisdom]

Looking at mastina's claim, why are we speculating what happens if multiple roles target her? She already said she copies just the first one (according to resolution I'm assuming)

[Wisdom]

Victorine is Yume @fb
Gamma made a post about other tags being Yume

[Wisdom]

good guess

[Wisdom]

Yeah but I cant read them off drawings

[Wisdom]

Nope

[Wisdom]

Scum: mastina, whemestar

Because of the claims?

[Wisdom]

Only of the first action on her though

[Wisdom]

VOTE: brain cell

[Wisdom]

good dayvig
I can never read him

[Wisdom]

Sell me esurio town

[Wisdom]

I understand that people still want to meme if they didn't get their fill of memes earlier but I think there's enough thats happened here that people should not be memeing.

You mean how you should stop tvting and vote esurio?

[Wisdom]

Nancy is prolly town stop with the TIL votes

[Wisdom]

I like tsq's takes so far. happy to see where this goes

VOTE: save the dragons

I'm just going to townread you for agreeing with me because I do that

I actually scumread that post because i disagreed
I do that as well

[Wisdom]

tempted to sheep Wisdom so he doesn't kill me

You should

[Wisdom]

Nancy how do you feel about me
What if i told you std is town

[Wisdom]

I'm kind of unsure why TIL is focusing so heavily on who chowchow is instead of sorting. It's a very similar ping to what I attacked STD for.

And likewise its on town

[Wisdom]

Flavour Spec time: I'm currently guessing that the Team Rocket characters are not the Jessie/James/Meowth trio. I'm willing to bet that it's going to be Giovanni (Fire Red/Leaf Green), and the 4 execs from Gold/Silver (who were given names in Heart Gold/Soul Silver - Archer, Ariana, Petrel, and Proton). This makes more sense to me because of the confirmed 5 scum members and the fact that this game is role madness, making it less likely that a Rocket Goon would be thrown in the mix.

-M

Like it has been said already, all roles are Pokemon, not humans

[Wisdom]

fb Nancy is town

Put her in the first boxes with me

[Wisdom]

I like Imaginality for town I think

I don't think Gypyx is scummy but eh, not objecting either

[Wisdom]

I like Imaginality for town I think

I don't think Gypyx is scummy but eh, not objecting either

He sounds similar to how he played in OMB.

Imaginality.

~I

Whats omb and what alignment was he there

[Wisdom]

Nancy

[Wisdom]

Sure read cakez for me
The other two are prolly town

[Wisdom]

No idea how youre townreading chowchow and kuribomala

[Wisdom]

why are you answering for me?

got nothing else to do

sheep me

[Wisdom]

Someone explain the brain cell scumcase because they stole that braincell from me.

Also I'd like to add that wisdom is giving scum!pings to me

- Meg

Have some townpoints for your unpopular stance

[Wisdom]

Your good scum core is cakez crew and goat?
That's lackluster

[Wisdom]

Swap T3 and Brain and I'd be happier

[Wisdom]

He is

[Wisdom]

It's a good wagon

[Wisdom]

I dont think scum Meg has anything to gain by claiming scumpings on me

[Wisdom]

do you have no thoughts on the Shea vs. Fenrir situation that happened, mala?

-Gamma

anyway, you should read the combined ISO of Shea and Fenrir and give your thoughts on that at least

-Gamma

Also these encouragements for people to give content looks like town Gamma

[Wisdom]

Both seem nai to me

[Wisdom]

Also do you remember this?

You made it yet you were town. Gamma essentially said the same.

[Wisdom]

Woolax and Goat are who I would vote if I moved off Brain

But I won't until the replacement gives me reason to

[Wisdom]

I think I read somewhere that replace outs should happen in pm and not be discussed but cant remember where

[Wisdom]

zzz another town wagon

[Wisdom]

Your brain defense is basically "they're transparent, must be town". Not even backed by meta from what I can tell.

Yet this is the second time you're calling them town (not just "eh im unsure I agree with the case", but actual town)

You can be sure that if they actually flip town I'm going after you for wking.

[Wisdom]

You attack amounts to “they are awkward and not doing things”

quote me

[Wisdom]

wisdom who else is scum

Woolax and Goat are who I would vote if I moved off Brain

But I won't until the replacement gives me reason to

[Wisdom]

Ah, my bad I’m attributing someone else to you

You had no reasoning, good catch. You got me!

Who were you attributing to me?

Because it sounds to me like you made those up

[Wisdom]

Read my iso

[Wisdom]

Milo head from the wrong hydra

[Wisdom]

Add Skrew to who I could vote if he keeps doing that

[Wisdom]

Do you have meta with ssbm out of curiosity?

[Wisdom]

I could see milo scum but ssbm would be probably town in that scenario

[Wisdom]

Its not omgus, its meta
Nancy is obvtown as town and she's right to hunt those who shade that

[Wisdom]

Ive never played with bell and youre certainly not obvtown

[Wisdom]

Top of page 26, so halfway there.

Townread: Milobird, TSQ
Townlean: Save The Dragons,
Nulltown: Wisdom, imaginality, Whemestar, SK, firebringer
Null: T3, Alexandrite, The Goat (not sure if this one has posted), mastina, KTT, ralts
Nullscum: Dwlee99, TIL
Scumlean: chowchow, Gypyx, sirCakez
Scumread: Woolax

VOTE: Kyouku

There is no freaking way you sr me after OMB.

Thanks for scumclaiming.

~I

Yeah this worked for you in Chrono trigger real well lmao

This reaction feels like youre not actually scumreading Nancy

Especially if youre referencing a town game of hers here as Im assuming

[Wisdom]

So basically youre telling your nullscum read to stop doing what they did in the game they were town

@ssbm obv

[Wisdom]

Nancy I looked at chrono and I think shes talking about Marashu

[Wisdom]

ns this is your final chance to see ssbm is scum

[Wisdom]

I could see milo scum but ssbm would be probably town in that scenario

What would make you think milo scum?

That if he doesnt start discrediting now we will get the town together and run his team over

That's precisely what youre doing by discrediting both me and nancy
You dont like that town is coming together

[Wisdom]

ninja-
ssbm is town you're welcome to try and wagon me over it, Bell and I eat scum like you for breakfast

Then vote me, why don't you?
Oh, that's right, you know you'll never lim me

[Wisdom]

ssbmslot is still more likely scum, you might just be antagonistic for whatever reason and i dont think youre scum together either

[Wisdom]

Yeah the important part is youre treating her like town

Because you know she is

So basically youre telling your nullscum read to stop doing what they did in the game they were town

@ssbm obv

Seems I had the wrong player (confused Noraa and Nancy Drew), but yes, I was reminding them they were wrong last time, and are wrong again this time. Looks like they're different players though, that are having the same reaction, which is flipping out that I'm not townreading them.

This is likely +town for her though so I would prefer she townreads me.

[Wisdom]

Youve hydra'd with me. You know how I feel about cases and reasons. STD or whoever is allowed to push that. You arent.

[Wisdom]

And you also know ill defend my townreads so the whole pocketing thing is equally awful

[Wisdom]

Youve hydra'd with me. You know how I feel about cases and reasons. STD or whoever is allowed to push that. You arent.

I legitimately remember next to 0 about pre-hiatus meta and you can ask most people that or go check in completed games.

lolk

[Wisdom]

I literally acknowledged you could be antagonistic town

[Wisdom]

Wisdom votes don't make sense to me

std dislikes my playstyle and ssbm is scum

[Wisdom]

I wish youd revote scum and not listen to ns

[Wisdom]

Wisdom either town or TMIed.

Btw this is parroting of STD, who fairly expressed doubts for my townread on him
However Kyouko in the same post also calls Shea vs STD tvt so calling me tmi'd does not make any sense

[Wisdom]

Be scum with too much information ie know that std is town

[Wisdom]

If ssbm flips scum Imaginality could be scum for trying to dissuade you from scumreading her

[Wisdom]

He never said a word about Brain either, and trying to get a mastina thing going feels like a distraction

[Wisdom]

I think woolax makes sense as a ssbm buddy too
That entrance vote was pretty weak and I dont see why ssbm votes there before reading the game
It does make sense if she used it for distancing though

Im going with {ssbm, imaginality, woolax} so far

[Wisdom]

Wisdom either town or TMIed.

Btw this is parroting of STD, who fairly expressed doubts for my townread on him
However Kyouko in the same post also calls Shea vs STD tvt so calling me tmi'd does not make any sense

You should maybe quote whole posts instead of snipping them and twisting what was said in the part you snipped

I twisted nothing, you were talking about shea vs std which i mentioned

[Wisdom]

3. SSBM: Why is your role pm red?

Oh theres hope for you after all
Talk some sense into ns

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom is kyouko is town do you think imaginality is still scum?

-M

Unsure, I just saw the connection tbh. Otherwise I'm not particularly scumreading Imaginality

I do think Woolax is scum regardless

[Wisdom]

what happened to The Goat?

Still a poe scumread but I was talking about who i was seeing as scum with ssbm there

[Wisdom]

wisdom do you think milobird is scum?

Nah most likely town

[Wisdom]

But if ssbm flipped green I'd consider it

[Wisdom]

So are you saying im town or scum with gypyx

[Wisdom]

It feels like you want to insinuate the latter but the knowledge im town keeps you from pushing it

[Wisdom]

She does it as both

[Wisdom]

I saw Shea's 600 indicates not partnered with milo and because I TRed milo I cleared Shea and by extension could confidently say STD Shea is TvT. I say it didnt matter because I'm TRing Shea by his own merit after catchup, and it was just my Shea, not my STD read that was up in the air.

I do not see what 600 has to do with Milo not being their partner
Your jumps feel random

[Wisdom]

So I'm not parroting the TvT from anywhere.

I was saying you were parroting the TMI part, not the tvt
Which was posted after you joined and I'm sure you saw it on pedit

[Wisdom]

You're implying I'm parroting STD challenging you on TMIing them as town. My post is saying you are either town (with a good read on woolax) or scum (who is TMIing his buddy woolax as scum).

It is clear from the context of the full post, which you snipped, that I was not parroting. You tried to paint 1238 in a completely different light by omitting the context.

A naked vote on Woolax is TMIing? That makes even less sense

[Wisdom]

I saw Shea's 600 indicates not partnered with milo and because I TRed milo I cleared Shea and by extension could confidently say STD Shea is TvT. I say it didnt matter because I'm TRing Shea by his own merit after catchup, and it was just my Shea, not my STD read that was up in the air.

I do not see what 600 has to do with Milo not being their partner
Your jumps feel random

Like I'm assuming you're talking about Milo and Shea discussing their esurio read
Which is like really shallow to call anti-partner
I talk to my buddies all the time as scum
So making such jumps off something like this is awful

[Wisdom]

you think woolax is scum that is coasting along for the TvT ride

Woolax voted STD
The reason I voted him was because I completely disagreed with that vote and thought it was opportunistic since it was obvious Shea/STD was tvt to me

[Wisdom]

VOTE: woolax

whatever

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, please explain “poe scumread” for the acronym deficient.

It means if you continue doing nothing youre the next to die

[Wisdom]

I’m actually allergic to following Wisdom because one time in a marathon game I Kept sheeting him and at the end I was just like, Wisdom keeps leading miseliminations. I am going to vote him now.
And then I did and he was scum.

-Bell

I hope this is not serious and you're not trying to discredit me off a marathon game

[Wisdom]

Alexandrite wagon sucks

Stop counterwagoning and vote Woolax

[Wisdom]

I wrongly scumread Cakez last game I played with him so if you see me hesitant to comment on any read on him, that's why

[Wisdom]

You should put Goat in there as well

T3 I don't have enough meta to comment on either but I wouldn't really vote him right now

Goat and Skrew, sure

[Wisdom]

so uh T3 apart not liking 122 from milo, anything more concrete from your catchup?

I'm very happy with my assigned Pokemon.

Wood

you believe that my pokemon's one of the most appropriate for me?

I wanna be the very best like no one ever was

DUN DUN DUN

Town.

VOTE: sir cakez
first person who posts is always scum. i think thats like mafia facts

Firebringer. (I can't read Firebringer and won't pretend that I can, tho I will say that this would be 'town' alongside the above by natural inclination.)

I wanna be the very best like no one ever was

your avatar looks like a pokemon

Scum?

Based on this Sudowoodo crumb that probably means mastina is currently an unevolved Bonsly. (wow i know pokemons) According to the pokemon wiki Bonsly is very good at using mimic, so this claim checks out.
mastina is town.

Do you think scum T3 openly flavor speculates like that?
Do scum have daytalk btw?

[Wisdom]

They do
So I kind of find it unlikely he does that inthread

[Wisdom]

Goats entrance feels off to me so far. Complains about pages (frequent scum tactic when they're behind and need to say something) makes vague comment about the largest wagon maybe being scummy (how would you know? Maybe because buddies are talking about it in pt?)

You’re town but you’re poking at nai stuff.

I also liked this because I thought the same
I strongly townread shea but disagreed with almost all his stances
And T3 trying to calibrate him feels town motivated

[Wisdom]

On Wisdom I feel like he's slightly less hmm concise in this game?

What does this mean

[Wisdom]

Woolax needs three more I believe

[Wisdom]

The original case is that he's not town

[Wisdom]

I modded a game with town!wisdom and they feel jarringly different from there.

One game meta isn't meta
Read my wiki

[Wisdom]

Still think Gamma's town

[Wisdom]

You said im scum because im different than in your game
Im different in every game

[Wisdom]

Later we won't all be alive

[Wisdom]

the way their thought process comes off doesnt feel like there is genuine thought and is just assigning reads to people - also just like

i dont townread them so theres that lmao

like their posts are awfully 1 dimensional

These you mean?

Nah, you just don't like my playstyle like almost every person in their first game with me

[Wisdom]

Okay

[Wisdom]

We can just act like he flipped red and hunt his buddies

[Wisdom]

We can just act like he flipped red and hunt his buddies

Based off of the way they played, I don’t know if we’ll get much in the way of associatives.

Other than STD looks like spewed town. So, scum was likely on that wagon.

~I

Maybe the people who tried to counterwagon Gamma?

[Wisdom]

Ralts is a likely buddy
They have also stopped talking and never pushed Woolax

[Wisdom]

Wisdom was basically the head of the Woolax elim
Bad vote

I think I'll trust myself who can actually read and see that wisdom did not actually want the woolax wagon with how they were acting around it but still wanted to be distanced from woolax.

Doesnt look like you can read

[Wisdom]

very obviously sublty not wanting to get woolax flipped after having had an early vote on them

Where does this come from? I wanted woolax since the moment I voted them and never once said otherwise
100% sure youve misread something

[Wisdom]

frankly i dont think wisdom's treatment of slots around woolax was towny and indicated TMI that woolax was flipping scum and he wanted to set up mislims after bussing woolax and getting cred off it - but also searching for options outside of limming woolax - as well as having a pillow opinion on another flipped scum.

Or i had a confident scumread and was looking for buddies like I always do
Remember how I replaced in your game and instantly went "x, y and z are the scumteam"?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: pooky

Out of the active people thats the only one flipping scum

Rest of poe is {Titus, T3, Imaginality}

KTT and Dwlee I remember townreading but Id like them to post to refresh my reads there

Rest are town

[Wisdom]

I don't like Gypyx and Ralts jumping on mastina's comment about the people who see TSQ v STD as TvT being more likely scum than not.

It seemed like deliberately reading the comment in the worst way.

Ralts raised it as a question whereas Gypyx continued to paint it as though mastina was calling herself scummy even after reading mastina's reply to Ralts. Which, like, I don't see why Gypyx bothers to post that as town, but as scum it is a chance to splash a bit of dirt on someone.

Well, look, got a personal theory that scum are quite more likely than town to admit they did the sussy, cuz like, obviously they

know

they aren't innocent, especially in cases where it's like "yeah doing that is bad, i know i did it but pls bear with me"

and on the question of posting it, i saw the first message, wrote it, then saw her developping on it, and even though that kinda puts it into perspetive as something widespread, still thought it was notable enuff to br pointed out

plus i took like 5 good minutes to get that gif link working so i wasn't gonna let it good to waste lmao

also imaginality if you could tell the difference between sharing reads and being a devilish scum drawing attention to town's scummy posts

Nvm Imaginality can join the town. I dont think these interactions are between buddies

[Wisdom]

Vote T3 instead
Pooky is straight chillin, even if you think he’s evil leave him be for now, but IMO he’s not evil

T3 I also had reasons to townread i remember
Honestly I just want goat and ralts slots dead

[Wisdom]

Like idg why you prefer to vote someone actively posting rn specifically if that’s why you picked Pooky

Because its easier for me to read people when they're posting
Kyouko for example managed to convince me im wrong on her
Braincell would never have with how inactive they were

[Wisdom]

T3 seems too efforty to me for him to be a red rn

This sounds like tmi I think. T3 hasnt really put that much effort to warrant this take

[Wisdom]

fine ty for that cakez inno

He'd be in the poe if not for that

[Wisdom]

so uh T3 apart not liking 122 from milo, anything more concrete from your catchup?

I'm very happy with my assigned Pokemon.

Wood

you believe that my pokemon's one of the most appropriate for me?

I wanna be the very best like no one ever was

DUN DUN DUN

Town.

VOTE: sir cakez
first person who posts is always scum. i think thats like mafia facts

Firebringer. (I can't read Firebringer and won't pretend that I can, tho I will say that this would be 'town' alongside the above by natural inclination.)

I wanna be the very best like no one ever was

your avatar looks like a pokemon

Scum?

Based on this Sudowoodo crumb that probably means mastina is currently an unevolved Bonsly. (wow i know pokemons) According to the pokemon wiki Bonsly is very good at using mimic, so this claim checks out.
mastina is town.

@gamma

You think T3 openly flavor speculates with his buddy inthread instead of in the scum pt?

[Wisdom]

nah, i just like the content of his character and the greeneness of his role PM

most major thing is that i doubt scum would do the charizard fake claim thingy

I like this post and I DON'T KNOW WHY

what does this mean

honetly it doesn't mean anything

This open admission also probably comes from town.

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

But how would that be determined? It’s not like we’re doing a mass claim on D1.

~Innuendos

just have mastina make an arbitrary way to separate things, if she's town we're good if she's scum we can prob read into the list she gives

statistically it would be hard for a random list to not contain any good PR

I've never played with town Gypyx but this doesn't particularly feel like scum gypyx.

Also do you see T3 defending his buddy so much?
Coupled with Gypyx's awkward townread on him I more likely think T3 just had a bad read

[Wisdom]

no, just gamma

Do your thing

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Gyphx

I feel like I usually have stronger reads by now but this is fine.

This list is roughly what I'm working off of:

Town

Milo, TSQ, Alexandrite
Brain Cell, Wisdom, StD, mastina
Everyone else
SleepyKrew, Wheme, TIL
Gypyx, T3

Scum

This is a typical bus. Ralts has not mentioned Gypyx at all before this, but sees the pressure on Gypyx (for example, 775) and decides this has to be done.

[Wisdom]

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

you know, imaginality might have caught both buddies here

Im not townreading dwlee as much on this reread

[Wisdom]

As the person who started brain celll wagon I like the gypyx wagon more

Debatable, but this stance makes me want to townread Wheme

[Wisdom]

what else could it be

im townie af

nope
You're just trolling around
But really it's your predecessor who has shaped my read on your slot so it will take a miracle for you to change my mind

[Wisdom]

Ok so ignore Ralts and The Goat because they're both completely missing. The next person is Gypyx. He's actually active elsewhere. And he never pushed Woolax

Skrew also gets townpoints for this
With a dead Woolax, pointing towards Gypyx does not look like a scum thing to do

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Gyphx

I feel like I usually have stronger reads by now but this is fine.

Town

t3 why'd you call that town?

[Wisdom]

End of "reread" (I basically searched for Gypyx and read all posts mentioning him)

New poe: {Pooky, Titus, Dwlee, KTT}

[Wisdom]

Gypyx posted something early on that felt scummy, but I’m going to do a reread. Hyperskimming 35 pages didn’t give me much.

Goats entrance feels off to me so far. Complains about pages (frequent scum tactic when they're behind and need to say something) makes vague comment about the largest wagon maybe being scummy (how would you know? Maybe because buddies are talking about it in pt?)

oh also this

More points for Goat (Titus) scum

[Wisdom]

Although Shea meant it as though Gypyx was a town wagon, but it's still a bad entrance and feels like awkward bussing without commitment

[Wisdom]

dwlee's iso sucks too

No clue why I thought I was townreading them

[Wisdom]

More like reluctant bus

[Wisdom]

Titus = Goat

And you told Shea he was wrong about Goat

so why the vote now?

[Wisdom]

Woolax was already hammered at that point

[Wisdom]

Theres no wagon on you lol

[Wisdom]

Guys haven't read I have pretty strong reason to think Pooky is town so can we wagon somewhere else

Kay

VOTE: dwlee

[Wisdom]

cakez you better not be derping
I was feeling really good about Pooky scum

[Wisdom]

Oh guess there was a wagon on them

In that case

VOTE: kitty trauma team

[Wisdom]

Initially I thought KTT claiming could be town indicative because I thought the pressure was not sufficient

But since there was an actual wagon of four it makes sense for scum them to claim, after all we did lim Woolax while they were absent and KTT are likewise very inactive

[Wisdom]

KTT are likewise very inactive

next time i sign up for a game, i'll tell my mom to wait until it's over before she goes to her deathbed, you insensitive cunt


like i'd lurk as scum, get the fuck outta here

I didnt criticize you or say that being inactive makes you scum

I just said that you had incentive to claim since you are not very active to defend yourself

[Wisdom]

p sure ktt scum isn't going to use a picture of an elderly sick person to get out of being elimmed

p sure that's nai

[Wisdom]

But don't you fucking EVER throw shade on me for not posting when I've made it VERY FUCKING CLEAR what I'm going through and why I'm not posting

Again, you misread, and nobody did that

[Wisdom]

You can accuse people of pretending to be bust when they display knowledge of game events that imply theyve been paying closer attention tham claimed. Ktt has not shown that

again nobody is accusing them of lurking or of lying about their situtation

this is getting annoying

[Wisdom]

Reminder that scum have fakeclaims so theyre not likely to claim something that doesnt fit

[Wisdom]

koba is scumreading me, thats not very wise

[Wisdom]

Maybe their fakeclaim is a protective

[Wisdom]

Maybe their fakeclaim is a protective

Do you have anything better to do than take pot shots every time I post

Didn't you try to derail woolax yesterday lmao

What? When did i take a potshot on you before that?

And no I led the Woolax wagon

[Wisdom]

Nancy I talked about t3 and imaginality's interactions with gypyx and they both look town to me from it

[Wisdom]

the reframing of the push as a solo thing

I am not calling it a solo thing
I am saying I was firmly on Woolax and wanted them dead and never "derailed" it like you and dwlee are suggesting

[Wisdom]

Also I dont know what acknowledging youre talking about, i have answered all your posts and youre ignoring me

[Wisdom]

like people want to point towards wisdom being town for pushing woolax but completely forget how he treated kyouko who is now flipped town.

This is your issue?
This is my first game with kyouko. She looked like manipulative scum to me. I didn't want her winning the game. This is how I play, deal with it

[Wisdom]

Gamma you disappoint me

[Wisdom]

you made several excuses not to vote woolax until your supposed scumread kyouko hopped on and then you felt the wagon was inevitable and had to hop on for cred to not look scummy as shit for it.

its really that fucking simple.

Yes it really is fucking simple. I don't unvote my scumreads until Im positive im doing the right thing

[Wisdom]

I like Imaginality for town I think

I don't think Gypyx is scummy but eh, not objecting either

Woolax and Goat are who I would vote if I moved off Brain

But I won't until the replacement gives me reason to

I think woolax makes sense as a ssbm buddy too
That entrance vote was pretty weak and I dont see why ssbm votes there before reading the game
It does make sense if she used it for distancing though

Im going with {ssbm, imaginality, woolax} so far

yes, wisdom definitely doesnt have any agenda in light of flips yup guys definitely town here 100% yes

Gamma talk to me about how this is scum me in any way

Koba doesnt know me but there is no excuse for you

[Wisdom]

wisdom if you're town the number 1 thing you can provide now is: thought progression.

My thought progression is in the thread, you just dont know me and cant read it
Youll get to it

[Wisdom]

i don't understand ur wisdom case.
how was wisdom trying to shift the wagons in the posts u quoted

He was trying every move he could to get a push to happen elsewhere. That’s what it looks like to me.

Dude are you serious
Quote where I tried to do that

[Wisdom]

Im lazy to do that just because someone dislikes my playstyle
Youll get over it

[Wisdom]

You have not cited but thats what it is

[Wisdom]

First post: giving a bleh TR on Gypyx while trying to not come off as resisting the wagon
Second post: gives SRs on Woolax+Goat but doesn’t act on them because he wanted to push Kyouko
Third post: tries to excuse remaining on kyouko by tying Woolax to kyouko. Also idk if this is just lack of context but the read change on imaginality is concerning

First post: i didnt understand what was scummy about gypyx and i said as much
Second post: i talked about my other scumreads but obviously i am going to stay on my main scumread
Third post: trying to find ssbm buddies because im pretty sure ssbm is scum

Youve only seen those things from town me a billion times

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And I wanna remind you that in the time of those things woolax only had like three votes. The woolax wagon took off when ssbm changed my mind and i voted woolax. So saying that those posts tried to derail woolax is stupid

[Wisdom]

If anything you should be arguing i tried to derail gypyx

[Wisdom]

Why were you apathetic towards the Gypyx wagon then? You should have tried to either give reasons for Gypyx to be town or figure out the “why” behind the wagon if you actually cared.

I did not care? I had no read on gypyx
All that I cared about was liming Braincell/ssbm
Gypyx happened in parallel so I commented on it

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As for imaginality
I only mentioned him as a possible ssbm buddy and stated that otherwise I do not have a scumread on him
And today once again I had him in my poe at daystart but then talked sbout his interactions with gypyx and removed him

[Wisdom]

2170, 2173, 2177, 2179

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yep must be because we're scumbuddies

[Wisdom]

Unironically yes.

You've said nothing to prove otherwise.

Yep I totally have to prove why me reading interactions and forming townreads based on them means I am not scumbuddies with the people Im townreading

[Wisdom]

T3 also gave a similar read to Ralts which I quoted and asked him about

and possibly others

Have you considered youre just scumreading a playstyle thing again?

[Wisdom]

2170, 2173, 2177, 2179

What would be more productive than what you're doing would be to look at those posts and tell me why I am wrong that T3's interactions make him likely town

[Wisdom]

Everything you listed about T3 being town is firmly within T3's scumrange - which I daresay might be larger than mine because he is willing to borderline throw where I am not.

I was not talking about T3's meta, I am not really familiar with it anyway
I was just saying those posts do not look like something post to/about their buddy

[Wisdom]

btw Koba. A game just ended where I was scumread and mislim'd for similar reasons (people not understanding my playstyle and finding me scummy)
It might be helpful to you

[Wisdom]

You'll see what your tunnel wants you to see

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I don't play all games the same way

The reason I linked the game is that it has a lot of similarities to this game, I hardpushed Ali there who was town until the replacement (House) convinced me otherwise, much like Kyouko, and Taly's tunnel on me was almost identical to yours to the point I kept telling him he just doesnt understand how I play

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Honestly I'm not sure what exactly you're pushing so I can tell you if I do it as scum or not
All I see is "Wisdom was simple and pushed Kyouko"

[Wisdom]

Another funny part is that House pushed me in that game because I was less lazy than he was used to. You know, the thing you're saying that makes me more town in that game.

[Wisdom]

i dont know what wim is

anyhow this is boring and distracting for the others

please detunnel

[Wisdom]

Kkoba wisdom pls get along and vote with me

You apparently didnt read that I am townreading T3 based on his Gypyx related posts

[Wisdom]

Not helpful
If you want to point out why Im wrong Im listening

[Wisdom]

Why did you wait for me to gain support on my push on you(i.e. people other than me voting) to react to it in any meaningful capacity btw? I would like an answer to that as well.
Like I said - I don't view actions as scummy - but the action to ignore a push and only respond to it once its convenient is the type of thing that without a proper explaination *is* scummy - meaning:
good explaination - plausible town
bad or no explaination: scummy

this is the type of complex reading i look into when reading actions from a player - which is why your accusation that I read into playstyle only is grossly incorrect when applied to my reading style.

Because I was lazy and if people like gamma FB nancy who know me just assured you youre wrong youd listen more easily than if I tried to do it
Gamma sheeping you triggered me because he did the opposite

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maybe you should reread with less confbias

[Wisdom]

KTT reaction to wagon today looks town

Which part?

[Wisdom]

Also yeah Milo and STD should be off your poe

And T3 but debatable. Did you see the interactions I pointed out?

[Wisdom]

2170, 2173, 2177, 2179

[Wisdom]

I agree with the dwlee read but I dont agree that KTT looks town

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KTT reaction to wagon today looks town

Which part?

also Mala asking people to talk to her instead of Kuribo is town-motivated

I dont think so

To me it looked like they thought they are scumread for inactivity, which annoyed them, so Mala asked people to read her for inactivity instead
Like a "Youre scumreading us for the wrong reason" thing

[Wisdom]

STD has been town since his exchange with Shea at the beginning

[Wisdom]

KTT reaction to wagon today looks town

Which part?

also Mala asking people to talk to her instead of Kuribo is town-motivated

I dont think so

To me it looked like they thought they are scumread for inactivity, which annoyed them, so Mala asked people to read her for inactivity instead
Like a "Youre scumreading us for the wrong reason" thing

Ya but they would have seen that Kuribo's rage/AtE was getting them townreads. Why tell people to read them for something else when that was working if they are scum?

We're talking about people who prematurely claimed at four votes
I think the pressure affects their actions more than the townreads

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VOTE: dwlee

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there's also the fact that wisdom literally tried to derail the wagon at one point subtly so they can take their claimed credit and shove it.

Flagging this for my VCA

Thats just Koba misreading, I nowhere tried to derail Woolax

[Wisdom]

Your rage is completely unwarranted
Id understand it if you thought im scumreading you for inactivity but you seem to be past that

[Wisdom]

just say whatever you're alluding to

He said yesterday he was going to push me off my derailing the ssbm wagon. He hasn’t engaged it at all. (Hint: you are scumreading me and have mentioned wanting to wagon me and gave him a good opportunity to comment)

I dont think youre scum so im not pushing you
Nothing is set in stone
Now stop being bad and lim dwlee

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I guess I'll vote for Wisdom. I know this is lame reasoning butt more experienced players seem to think they're scum so I'll go along with that for now and continue getting better at judging for myself.

You should vote dwlee, more experienced players also say hes scum

[Wisdom]

they*

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Gamma what is your vote still doing on me?

[Wisdom]

I changed my mind on ssbm and lim'd scum
Youre voting town

[Wisdom]

I’m kinda with Koba that Dwlee attempting to soft counterclaim is not a thing scum do pretty much ever

What would you do if your mod provided fakeclaim was a doc

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I changed my mind on ssbm and lim'd scum
Youre voting town

I also called them scum I just didn’t vote bc my vote was already on the other flipped scum

Give me someone spicier than Dwlee and we can talk

Titus maybe if Dwlee is town and definitely KTT
Like dwlee troubled me by voting KTT because i was scumreading both but if dwlee aint scum then it makes sense

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I changed my mind on ssbm and lim'd scum
Youre voting town

Why is he town?

~I

Who? I was referring to me, milo is voting me unless I missed a vote

[Wisdom]

Ive said why I think T3 is town as well

[Wisdom]

Yep keep dreaming
The only way i flip as town is when scum panic kill me

[Wisdom]

Nah dw about me im not getting limd
Target hard to read people

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It has nothing to do with voting flipped scum, people know me and know this is town me
Youll get there too

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Or you can read the game without tunneling on me because I misread kyouko and actually find real scum

whatever i've done my part.

people can choose to actually read the game they're playing or not instead of being lazy and only looking at vote counts.