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[Titus]

Not finished reading up but I would like to confirm if Kitty got my fruit.

[Titus]

The mod had forgotten to send my daystart pm and said it was a mod error and their wording made it sound like they may have forgotten the fruit too.

My role can also test Kitty

[Titus]

As long as we have a confirmed target, I can send fruit to that target. I have to send fruit in my current form.

[Titus]

@Vig you have a great pool to target in.

Ninja-
Hi titus. Are you town?

No. Totally not. I'm moon aligned.

[Titus]

chow

I actually had a chowchow as a kid. We called her Blackie.

[Titus]

As long as we have a confirmed target, I can send fruit to that target. I have to send fruit in my current form.

do you turn into a friendly neighbor when you turn demonic

I dunno. I might lol. Splash vendor to FN makes sense though. XD

We jest but it caught Pooky scum.

[Titus]

Kuribo sorry for your situation. If you need a shoulder, you can pm me.

Can you confirm I splashed you so we can wagon someone else?

[Titus]

Titus what u got for this game so far besides fruit

Nothing other than likely moon logic that becomes important as the tides

[Titus]

It makes me busy. I plan on catching up tonight. I'm uber cranky right now and don't want to take it out on anyone. I have a judge that hates me.

[Titus]

This judge is basically ordering me to go forward on a DUI trial while knowing it will cause me to miss time on my homicide trial because I'm only the second chair on the homicide. I'd be ready for the DUI but I just am frustrated and fed up and cranky. I hope there are no rooms available.

[Titus]

Guys leave Kuribo alone. If you guys want to go after inactivity on this hydra go after ME ONLY. because going after Kuribo after the personal stuff he has got going on is a low blow regardless of alignment. The fact you are saying he is faking it or even considering that he might be faking it is a low blow as well.

So again if you’re going after inactivity go after THIS HEAD AKA MALA.

-M

Did you get splashed?

[Titus]

Nope. I just looked at my pms and also my hydra thread and I got nothing from the mod

I'll ask the mod. I find that weird.

[Titus]

Nope. I just looked at my pms and also my hydra thread and I got nothing from the mod

I'll ask the mod. I find that weird.

It was resolved. Unless I was blocked, you should have gotten it.

[Titus]

Imagine, I have to reach conditions to evolve. I can't just pick to.

[Titus]

I will likely evolve tonight. I have to if the conditions are met.

[Titus]

Dwlee - you may have been role blocked. Just reread public infi and evolving is blockable

I find that unlikely but possible.

[Titus]

I'm the moon doctor for weary souls.

Just ask and I'll say something outlandish.

[Titus]

VC1.03

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Save The Dragons (4):

Thestatusquo, Sharing the Brain Cell, Woolax, SleepyKrew

Milobird (2):

Kitty Trauma Team, Save The Dragons

Sharing the Brain Cell (7):

SirCakez, Whemestar, Wisdom, Gypyx, Truth innuendos Lies, Dwlee99, T3

Gypyx (6):

Alexandrite, Milobird, Firebringer, Ralts, imaginality, chowchow

SirCakez (1):

mastina

Not Voting:

The Goat

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-10-13 21:30:00)

Mod Notes:
Please feel free to ask for further clarification regarding your role if you're confused.
Sample rolecard added to OP

TIL

Thanks for reminding me to go over this wagon later

[Titus]

Based on it alone, I am ok with a Dwlee99 vote.

[Titus]

Hey @Titus, really would love to see your VCA, especially considering we have two scumflips.

~I

Still a little early for confidence but I'd guess without problem given the wagon numbers.

[Titus]

VC1.06

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Gypyx (4):

Alexandrite, Milobird, Ralts, WhemeStar

Woolax (4):

Truth Innuendos Lies, Save The Dragons, ssbm_kyouko, Wisdom

ssbm_kyouko (3):

Gypyx, T3, Firebringer

Milobird (1):

Kitty Trauma Team

Alexandrite (1):

SirCakez

Firebringer (1):

Thestatusquo

SirCakez (1):

mastina

mastina (1:)

imaginality

Save The Dragons (1):

Woolax

Not Voting:

The Goat, chowchow, Dwlee99, SleepyKrew

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-10-13 21:30:00)

Mod Notes: I have choir in 6 hours
Also did this VC on mobile

SvS wagons here is interesting - sleepykrew unvoted too at this point when STD wagon lost all steam

Given what I have heard about Woolax missing the back half of his wagon and dueling S v S wagons, I expect the back part of Woolax wagon to be scum.

[Titus]

Regardless of Kuribo’s alignment, that’s a real thing that’s happening. He’s not saying because he has RL to deal with he’s not scum, rather that it makes him not scummy via the logic of inactivity.

I’m really torn because mod told me all NAs have been processed and it sounds like Titus’ role is some kind of loyal. Tonally, they sound a bit off but irrespective of alignment, their emotion at being activity read is genuine.

~I

My role is not loyal. Otherwise, I would be voting KTT rather than jumping to the conclusion that a roleblocker/rolestopper must exist or KTT is ascetic.

[Titus]

Cakez is inno by FB anyway iirc

Wait, what?

[Titus]

there's also the fact that wisdom literally tried to derail the wagon at one point subtly so they can take their claimed credit and shove it.

Flagging this for my VCA

[Titus]

VOTE: Wisdom

Milobird I expect your full support on this one if you’re not voting there already. We’ve got a [Foreigner] situation on our hands, I feel.

Bookmarking here but the [Saber]tooth tiger is not getting these references at first glance.

[Titus]

Can my hat count?

[Titus]

Yeah idk I’ve kinda just been not paying chowchow any mind
With how much of a fucking battle this dayphase is I wouldn’t mind just going there

This dayphase is a battle? I must not have gotten there yet.

[Titus]

no, this is how i am able to play. I still think my PoE is correct. im just not as willing to lim wisdom first based on how polarized their scumplay seems to be - although its a poor sample.

My picture of his scumgame is that he’s slick. He’s hard to grasp as it’s hard to catch him in the moment, but he leaves an oily residue of the mislims he pushes

I agree with the oily residue but my sample size of recent games is small. In Astral Roles, he pushed me as scum because I "preferred scum" and that's not really true.

[Titus]

It feels like every lim is either utter dogshit or not one that’ll gather actual traction

Nothing's appearing to gather traction due to the speed of the game so most aren't able to keep up. I am debating not catching up and relying on VCA.

[Titus]

VC1.02

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Firebringer (1):

Ralts

Save The Dragons (5):

Thestatusquo, Sharing the Brain Cell, Woolax, chowchow, SleepyKrew

Milobird (3):

Kitty Trauma Team, imaginality, Save The Dragons

Sharing the Brain Cell (6):

SirCakez, Firebringer, Whemestar, Wisdom, Gypyx, Truth innuendos Lies

Truth Innuendos Lies (1):

Dwlee99

Whemestar (1):

Milobird

SirCakez (1):

mastina

Not Voting:

T3, Alexandrite, The Goat

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-10-13 21:30:00)

Mod Notes: The Goat has yet to confirm
Please feel free to ask for further clarification regarding your role if you're confused.
Sample rolecard added to OP
Not counting 329

Townpoints SBC, Chowchow, Wisdom, TIL --- Neighbor scum unlikely

VC1.03

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Save The Dragons (4):

Thestatusquo, Sharing the Brain Cell, Woolax, SleepyKrew

Milobird (2):

Kitty Trauma Team, Save The Dragons

Sharing the Brain Cell (7):

SirCakez, Whemestar, Wisdom, Gypyx, Truth innuendos Lies, Dwlee99, T3

Gypyx (6):

Alexandrite, Milobird, Firebringer, Ralts, imaginality, chowchow

SirCakez (1):

mastina

Not Voting:

The Goat

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-10-13 21:30:00)

Mod Notes:
Please feel free to ask for further clarification regarding your role if you're confused.
Sample rolecard added to OP

Don't think the Gypyx wagon is pure but I don't like Dwlee99 and T3 votes either.

I've not changed my vote once in the game; I should be on SirCakez

.

Fixed

VC1.04

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Gypyx (7):

Alexandrite, Milobird, Ralts, imaginality, chowchow, WhemeStar, Sharing the Brain Cell

Sharing the Brain Cell (4):

Wisdom, Gypyx, T3, Firebringer

Save The Dragons (2):

Woolax, SleepyKrew

Milobird (2):

Kitty Trauma Team, Save The Dragons

Alexandrite (2):

SirCakez, Dwlee99

Firebringer (1):

Thestatusquo

SirCakez (1):

mastina

SleepyKrew (1):

Truth Innuendos Lies

Not Voting:

The Goat

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-10-13 21:30:00)

Mod Notes:
S_S here, finally got a Crystal Clear nuzlocke off the ground and lost 2/3 of my team to Jasmine. Fun game, would recommend.

Prodding Woolax. Searching for a replacement for Sharing the Brain Cell.

Gypyx (6):

Alexandrite, Milobird, Firebringer, Ralts, imaginality, chowchow

Plus points for Whemestar

[Titus]

VC1.05

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

ssbm_kyouko (5):

Wisdom, Gypyx, T3, Firebringer, Dwlee99

Gypyx (4):

Alexandrite, Milobird, Ralts, WhemeStar

Save The Dragons (2):

Woolax, SleepyKrew

Woolax (2):

Truth Innuendos Lies, Save The Dragons

Milobird (1):

Kitty Trauma Team

Wisdom (1):

ssbm_kyouko

Alexandrite (1):

SirCakez

Firebringer (1):

Thestatusquo

SirCakez (1):

mastina

mastina (1:)

imaginality

Not Voting:

The Goat, chowchow

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-10-13 21:30:00)

Mod Notes: I have choir in 6 hours
Also did this VC on mobile

Don't like SSBM wagon but only one of T3/Dwlee99 should be scum.

[Titus]

VC1.FINAL

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Woolax (11) HAMMER:

Truth Innuendos Lies, ssbm_kyouko, Wisdom,

Firebringer,

chowchow,

imaginality, Save The Dragons, SirCakez, SleepyKrew, Gamma Emerald,

Whemestar

Gypyx (2):

Milobird, Ralts

Gamma Emerald (3):

SirCakez, T3, Gypyx

SirCakez (1):

mastina

Save The Dragons (1):

Woolax

Wisdom (1):

DkKoba

Not Voting:

The Goat, Dwlee99, Kitty Trauma Team

Mod Notes: Woolax will be eliminated.
Replacing The Goat and Ralts

Time to look at the Woolax wagon and remove my voting TRs and flipped players.

SirCakez was voting twice so meh there.

Based on what I have read so far, I would go imaginality or Krew.

[Titus]

VOTE: imagine

I can imagine a successful scumflip!

[Titus]

Quick announcement: we initially forgot to give one player a message they should have gotten at daystart. It has been corrected now, sorry for the confusion.
VC coming up soon.

Unless the mods failed to notify me (I did ask them about this to be sure), literally nobody targeted me?

I asked the mod about my lack of result, and the mod confirmed that there was a processing error; I do in fact have a move, a quite powerful one at that.

NGL I think that the mod announcing this error is actually itself a worse mod error than the initial fuckup because by announcing this, it basically conftowns me.

(I'll take the conftown status from it tho.)

Not finished reading up but I would like to confirm if Kitty got my fruit.

(ngl this kinda just looks like scum-Titus to me)

Mastina, that's odd because the mod forgot to send me a daystart message. Unless you're saying that the feedback is a separate error mentioned...

[Titus]

VOTE: Valkyrie Dimension

Very good vote btw.

SleepyKrew was a slot that already was pretty damn sketchy, and the replacement has only continued to do increasingly scum-indicative things imo.

So like.

VOTE: Valkyrie Dimension

Actually probably best vote now.

VOTE: VD

I can go with this because it's SleepyKrew.

[Titus]

My guess is imaginality VD and mastina but I may just be omgusing.

[Titus]

T3 or Dwelee is probably fair due to the VCA too.

I feel Wisdom is town due to a difference from Astral roles. His pushes aren't telegraphed.

[Titus]

My guess is imaginality VD and mastina but I may just be omgusing.

All three of those are town due to gypyx

I don't see how but I'll look through the ISO. Distancing while your team is going up in flames is a thing.

[Titus]

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

Ok this is plus town points for mastina. Not sure what her claim is but I don't see this as S v S.

[Titus]

also imaginality if you could tell the difference between sharing reads and being a devilish scum drawing attention to town's scummy posts

Flagging to go back to this point in the thread to determine the exact VC (this occured between the VC where Gypyx was not a wagon) and imaginality's response

[Titus]

Looking through imaginality in response to Gypyx asking him to clarify his pushes on Dwlee Ralts and himself, imaginality doesn't. He pokes around elsewhere a bit and then votes mastina.

This is definitely not clearing.

[Titus]

VC1.03

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate someone

Save The Dragons (4):

Thestatusquo, Sharing the Brain Cell, Woolax, SleepyKrew

Milobird (2):

Kitty Trauma Team, Save The Dragons

Sharing the Brain Cell (7):

SirCakez, Whemestar, Wisdom, Gypyx, Truth innuendos Lies, Dwlee99, T3

Gypyx (6):

Alexandrite, Milobird, Firebringer, Ralts, imaginality, chowchow

SirCakez (1):

mastina

Not Voting:

The Goat

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-10-13 21:30:00)

Mod Notes:
Please feel free to ask for further clarification regarding your role if you're confused.
Sample rolecard added to OP

This was the accurate VC at the time of 861 as well. Gypyx and imaginality distancing while imaginality leaves an out and then votes a vanity wagon hoping both go away.

Hard pass on this being clearing.

[Titus]

a little teaser: searched my name and I think I'm gonna be properly pushing STD unless the Gypyx wagon really speaks to me

Could be S v S

[Titus]

Looking through imaginality in response to Gypyx asking him to clarify his pushes on Dwlee Ralts and himself, imaginality doesn't. He pokes around elsewhere a bit and then votes mastina.

This is definitely not clearing.

Could be? Considering that Wisdom has hard distanced his buddies in so many of his scumgames, he shouldn’t be so quick to clear either Imaginality or Valkyrie for that.

Can you link/quote that post? I’ve been feeling his play here seems different here because he was so extremely engaged and solvy in OMB and he also seems tonally different here.

~I

Sure. Second. It's actually an exchange.

[Titus]

Spoiler: ForTIL

I don't like Gypyx and Ralts jumping on mastina's comment about the people who see TSQ v STD as TvT being more likely scum than not.

It seemed like deliberately reading the comment in the worst way.

Ralts raised it as a question whereas Gypyx continued to paint it as though mastina was calling herself scummy even after reading mastina's reply to Ralts. Which, like, I don't see why Gypyx bothers to post that as town, but as scum it is a chance to splash a bit of dirt on someone.

VOTE: Gypyx

On STD v TSQ my initial take was slightly suspicious of STD and pro town on TSQ. Someone mentioned TSQ plays like that as scum also so that tempers my town read slightly but I still like his side of it. Still figuring out how I feel about the STD side of it. I didn't see the initial post as scummy but the initial reaction to TSQ's pressure did feel a bit hmmm... Like, I didn't like the retrofitting 'oh but look at the reactions I generated' part of the conversation. However there was also a hint of confused 'what are you on about'-ness to it.

Interesting also at Gypyx defended STD against TSQ early in that debate.

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

I don't like Gypyx and Ralts jumping on mastina's comment about the people who see TSQ v STD as TvT being more likely scum than not.

It seemed like deliberately reading the comment in the worst way.

Ralts raised it as a question whereas Gypyx continued to paint it as though mastina was calling herself scummy even after reading mastina's reply to Ralts. Which, like, I don't see why Gypyx bothers to post that as town, but as scum it is a chance to splash a bit of dirt on someone.

Well, look, got a personal theory that scum are quite more likely than town to admit they did the sussy, cuz like, obviously they

know

they aren't innocent, especially in cases where it's like "yeah doing that is bad, i know i did it but pls bear with me"

and on the question of posting it, i saw the first message, wrote it, then saw her developping on it, and even though that kinda puts it into perspetive as something widespread, still thought it was notable enuff to br pointed out

plus i took like 5 good minutes to get that gif link working so i wasn't gonna let it good to waste lmao

also imaginality if you could tell the difference between sharing reads and being a devilish scum drawing attention to town's scummy posts

As the person who started brain celll wagon I like the gypyx wagon more

Why?

imaginality

pops in thread looking to post just to post:

As the person who started brain celll wagon I like the gypyx wagon more

Why?

I wanted to see if WhemeStar was just jumping on the wagon for no good reason.

His answer that he sees the wagon as townier than other ones seems reasonable.

Top of page 26, so halfway there.

Townread: Milobird, TSQ
Townlean: Save The Dragons,
Nulltown: Wisdom, imaginality, Whemestar, SK, firebringer
Null: T3, Alexandrite, The Goat (not sure if this one has posted), mastina, KTT, ralts
Nullscum: Dwlee99, TIL
Scumlean: chowchow, Gypyx, sirCakez
Scumread: Woolax

VOTE: Kyouku

There is no freaking way you sr me after OMB.

Thanks for scumclaiming.

~I

This is a bad reason for calling ssbm scum because without a contrasting scum game to compare with, how can she know whether you playing like OMB is a town tell or NAI?

That said my sense is you're both town.


I think this is a really good catch:

On the other hand the Gypyx wagon gives off terrible vibes and feels like it fucking sucks, with scum latching onto it.

When I'm in a better mindset (hella tired right now, just reading to stay caught up, not really capable of good critical thinking), will be able to give that better thought.

This is an interesting callout; the only person you have south of null voting that is currently voting for Gypyx is imaginality vs. 3 who are voting for Brain Cell.

VOTE: mastina

Why didn't the Brain Cell wagon give you scum vibes when more of your scum reads are (or were, I'm not sure the current vote count) on that?

[Titus]

If anything, thoughts on the BrainCell and Gypyx wagons would be great skrew.

I'm gonna reiterate up front that my top priority right now is getting to Night, so I'm willing to hop on most wagons regardless.

The Gypyx wagon was because he pointed out that mastina did the thing she said scum would also do, right? And meta stuff? I don't really care about either. Like yeah scum could jump on that mastina thing but I'm gonna need more than that to be convinced, and meta isn't it. My #1 thought on that wagon is that I hated the way imaginality hopped onto it.

The BrainCell wagon was because... what? Words vs content? Mech spec? I don't care. It's possible I missed/forgot more compelling reasoning. Unfortunately I didn't really absorb anything ssbm_Kyouko has said because my eyes were glazing over as I got to the home stretch of the catchup

He has no idea of Gypyx alignment but hates imaginality jumping on. Hmm.

[Titus]

Ok so ignore Ralts and The Goat because they're both completely missing. The next person is Gypyx. He's actually active elsewhere. And he never pushed Woolax

Odd here that SleepyKrew is pushing Gypyx while voting Woolax at EoD. His vote on Woolax was very resigned too.

[Titus]

Going with null on SleepyKrew based solely on interactions with flipped scum. I still lean scum on VD but I see other points of view.

[Titus]

VOTE: imaginality

[Titus]

Wisdom, can you state why you thought interactions between gypyx SleepyKrew and imaginality were clearing?

[Titus]

I can see the point on 1822. Reasonable minds disagree. I disagree 100% on imaginality.

I'm ok with a T3 flip but they're a second tier read. I won't stop it and may compromise there but I will vote if I can't get better or trying becomes damaging to thread health.

[Titus]

SirCakez can you compare to Situation Room and see if you get a similar feel? I was scum with him in that game with a similar situation. Tone reading is not my strongsuit to begin with, but and it's harder to read tone from a different perspective.

[Titus]

If T3 is scum, I believe the team would repeat situation room here and try to send a wolf deep.

[Titus]

7.25 days ish

[Titus]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86908

[Titus]

i hate reading ISOs out of context so it's hard for me to tell
it looks like scum were getting dunked on in that game too
honestly I can't really tell much from that

They were. I'm asking you if the tone matches because if the situation is the same, the tone might be.

[Titus]

VLA until October 29th, although I do expect to post on the 27th.

[Titus]

Jury trial got sent out.

[Titus]

Good chance that critter is town.

Now Titus there’s a different read that needs to be sorted

There's plenty for you to engage with rather than take a pot shot and leave.

[Titus]

[Titus]

@Critter more effort after my VLA ends.

VLA October 29th

[Titus]

So who else is scum then Nancy

Idk but Dwelee is.

Sure, find me two more since you disagree with titus

Interesting. Are you doing your telegraphing or not? That's my question.

[Titus]

Hate to derail a guilty but there is a way both are town, although unlikely.

When I evolved, my new rolecard told me that my ability could not be stopped but it may be redirected.

[Titus]

Hate to derail a guilty but there is a way both are town, although unlikely.

When I evolved, my new rolecard told me that my ability could not be stopped but it may be redirected.

Titus…Give me 15 minutes please?

I do have to go to bed before court tomorrow. Since I doubt we're quick eliminating, you'll have all the time you want???

[Titus]

Hate to derail a guilty but there is a way both are town, although unlikely.

When I evolved, my new rolecard told me that my ability could not be stopped but it may be redirected.

So you’re saying I was redirected? But no one knew I was anything but informed, so why would I be redirected?

Bus Driver possibly

[Titus]

Nancy I am serious answer me now. Exactly what does it do. Paraphrased.

I already explained it. I check a player and I get the results the following night. I checked Dwelee N1 and I got a message today that my target was a member of Team Rocket.

~I

So EM Lazy Cop, okay
How would Titus have an explanation for that?

I don’t buy it because why would I be redirected? All I claimed was informed about gf.

Bus Driver swaps targets not actors.

Let's say I target Cakez.
A bus driver swaps Cakez and Critter.

I really target Critter.

[Titus]

Mod, can you provide an example of how a delayed role and a bus driver would interact?

[Titus]

Hate to derail a guilty but there is a way both are town, although unlikely.

When I evolved, my new rolecard told me that my ability could not be stopped but it may be redirected.

So you’re saying I was redirected? But no one knew I was anything but informed, so why would I be redirected?

Bus Driver possibly

Why? I never claimed my target?

Are you saying you had an action on Dwelee N1 because otherwise I don’t see how my result is wrong.

~I

No. My N1 was on KTT. That one is missing still.

There's plenty of reasons Dwlee might be bussed that have nothing to do with you.

[Titus]

I still think Nancy’s claim is bullshit.

Doubt it. No reason to initiate a 1 v 1 here as scum.

[Titus]

Nancy I am serious answer me now. Exactly what does it do. Paraphrased.

I already explained it. I check a player and I get the results the following night. I checked Dwelee N1 and I got a message today that my target was a member of Team Rocket.

~I

So EM Lazy Cop, okay
How would Titus have an explanation for that?

I don’t buy it because why would I be redirected? All I claimed was informed about gf.

Bus Driver swaps targets not actors.

Let's say I target Cakez.
A bus driver swaps Cakez and Critter.

I really target Critter.

I know what a bus dtiver does but no one knew I had that ability and no one could have known I would target Dwelee, so unless you’re going to argue framer, I don’t see how my results are wrong.

I think you got a guilty, I just doubt it's on Dwlee.

[Titus]

Well please wait to hear from Milobird before any action.

I need to sleep now.

[Titus]

Critter just drop it, nancy is town

Oh I will drop it because it’s not healthy for the thread but I don’t think she’s town and your say so does little to convince me right now.

Wisdom might be scum sooo

[Titus]

Your time is coming Titus
Try to save dwlee with bs about bus drivers more

Lol you can try to miseliminate me. Lol. It won't work.

I'll postulate how I want.

[Titus]

In fact,

VOTE: Wisdom

I know you're not dying but it's a spite vote.

[Titus]

Critter just drop it, nancy is town

Oh I will drop it because it’s not healthy for the thread but I don’t think she’s town and your say so does little to convince me right now.

Wisdom might be scum sooo

Prolly not. Just annoying me.

Nah, Wisdom grandstanding tone is similar to Astral Roles.

[Titus]

Why? It’s a brilliant gambit. Going away now but like this day is just levels of bad imho.

Hi.

Faking a guilty usually requires a 1 shot claim. Otherwise, the player must keep taking.

It just doesn't add up.

[Titus]

Yep youve never seen town me be grandstanding

To the point of strawmen, not really

[Titus]

TIL,

Let Wisdom and maybe Critter come after me. Just cool off.

Trust me, we'll at least get something.

[Titus]

Welp, Critter's town.

[Titus]

I really hope you’re scum and not this godawful at this game.

He's not. I recognize his tone.

[Titus]

*He's not scum.

[Titus]

Because there actually fucking is one in this setup, you dolt.

Not helpful Nancy.

[Titus]

[Titus]

Guys just stop fighting each other
Youre both town

First sensible thing you have said in awhile.

Right now, the best we are getting from Critter is agree to disagree and Nancy devaluing Critter's opinions. We have to accept that though.

[Titus]

Nancy, you're not convincing Critter. Trust me on this and let him have the last word.

[Titus]

Guys just stop fighting each other
Youre both town

First sensible thing you have said in awhile.

Right now, the best we are getting from Critter is agree to disagree and Nancy devaluing Critter's opinions. We have to accept that though.

Not like anyone cared when y’all rushed through the T3 elim anyway so nothing new there. Wake me when it’s night time and dictate who we’re voting. Used to it. Wake me when it’s N3.

We'll talk after my trial. For now, talk with Milobird.

[Titus]

Guys just stop fighting each other
Youre both town

First sensible thing you have said in awhile.

Right now, the best we are getting from Critter is agree to disagree and Nancy devaluing Critter's opinions. We have to accept that though.

Not like anyone cared when y’all rushed through the T3 elim anyway so nothing new there. Wake me when it’s night time and dictate who we’re voting. Used to it. Wake me when it’s N3.

We'll talk after my trial. For now, talk with Milobird.

?? Hey Milobird? Hi?

Can only talk with Milobird if they post

Slow down and wait. Thread hasn't even been open six hours I think.

Ask them everything you want to ask me. I know you won't work well with Nancy, so it's the next best thing.

[Titus]

Gamma, I have a problem with your night action choices. Targetting mastina with a rolestop most likely blocks off her chance to get every other role, and targetting us with it when we had KTT leashed to us and Titus leashed to KTT is ????

@Titus, I don’t have the splash or a hood with KTT.

@Wisdom- I’m interested in solely your Pokémon line, I don’t need to know anything more than the line. Who are you?

Double checking with the mod, but you should still have my upgraded splash (no I am not calling Gamma/mastina a liar). Please double check as well.

[Titus]

You asked KTT to target you but where did you ask Titus to target you? I couldnt find it

I actually crumbed targeting Milobird in an obscure and obtuse way.

If KTT targeted Milobird and redirected all actions to them, that creates an NAR nightmare if I understand KTT's role right and assuming they targeted Milobird.

Someone

must

have my upgraded splash, my splash was redirected to Firebringer or the mod lied to me.

[Titus]

I didn't have any intent to confirm a redirect. I just thought targeting Milobird would be funny. Let's wait for KTT.

[Titus]

This is a problem and I suspect a mod error.

I was a fruit vendor and I evolved into a one shot friendly neighbor. I targeted Milobird. My role pm specifically says my shot cannot be (synonym for stopped) only redirected. The fact Milobird nor KTT has this is a problem.

[Titus]

Did she evolve last night or the night before?

End of D2 compulsive when I did not hit E-3.

[Titus]

Did she evolve last night or the night before?

End of D2 compulsive when I did not hit E-3.

Okay then you’re right that it should have been received

Right but the mod forgot to send me d2 start pm and I had to remind them of my evolution, so I don't think I am too far offbase by thinking mod error.

[Titus]

The mod informed me they forgot to resolve my action when I checked.

[Titus]

But they still didn't get it afterwards, right?

I haven't seen KTT and Milo post since I got the confirmation that the mod forgot my action.

[Titus]

Reading up now, it appears Milo got it.

[Titus]

I figured Milo would be a fun target given I had a similar role before and they called me out on it lol. I would have done Slayers again but I would not have evolved if I hit L minus 3.

[Titus]

Nancy, can you investigate imaginality tonight?

[Titus]

I think I was doubting you both because of Titus and what I thought could be possible associatives with Gypyx. I’m still not sure why she wants me to check you but I’m guessing something to do with VCA?

To answer your question I was both null and suss on Milo D1 at different times.

No. Imagine is my play based scumread. I haven't done VCA yet. I don't feel confident enough to push so just a suggestion.

[Titus]

Mod, can you provide an example of how a delayed role and a bus driver would interact?

Depends on how the delayed role is phrased. If it's along the lines of "choose a player, on the next night you will target them and do X", then a bus driver would impact it on the second night, whereas if it's "target a player, and on the next night X will happen" then a bus driver would impact it on the first night.

Sorry if you already answered Nancy but can you clarify which version is you?

Also, ok with Dwelee based on my eyeball VCA. Then Wheme/Skrew.

[Titus]

I think I was doubting you both because of Titus and what I thought could be possible associatives with Gypyx. I’m still not sure why she wants me to check you but I’m guessing something to do with VCA?

To answer your question I was both null and suss on Milo D1 at different times.

No. Imagine is my play based scumread. I haven't done VCA yet. I don't feel confident enough to push so just a suggestion.

It would really help me if you explained exactly what you found scummy about his play?

I got a creepy feel when he attacked me.

[Titus]

Oh meh on Skrew being Critter. Critter's town.

[Titus]

Oh meh on Skrew being Critter. Critter's town.

Well the check is in already, there was a good chunk of people suspecting skrew, and critter has continually gone after me/mastina/Nancy which is all-the-nope.

Agreed with his reads being all the nope. He's not a horrible check for y'all, but I'd recognize that tone anywhere.

[Titus]

I think Dwlee is scum. Because he's not wowing me and Notty told me that Nancy said that they don't gambit guilty results.

Good enough for me.

-Bell

I have minor reservations but the way imaginality and Wisdom FoSed me for genuine concerns irks me.

[Titus]

Well I tried to get some eyes there but some people decided they only want to flip Dwlee and not give the chance for people to look elsewhere, so

We could have run wisdom up and made him answer my easy question, but…

Hard to get anywhere else with a guilty on the table.

Repost your easy question in case you die please.

Oh and...

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Titus]

Still VLA tomorrow

Will effort Saturday if needed.

VOTE: Wisdom

I'll vote with the group unless we hit town. Then I'll argue for Imaginality.

[Titus]

Btw lemme know if this is wrong.

Living players:
Milobird (notscience + Bell)
Save The Dragons
Wisdom
imaginality
Gamma Emerald Alexandrite (MegAzumarill+Gamma Emerald+Yume)
WhemeStar
Titus The Goat
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
mastina
Truth Innuendos Lies (Nancy Drew + Marashu + Auro)
Malakittens Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
PookyTheMagicalBear Ralts
SirCakez
DkKoba Thestatusquo
MathBlade

Milobird has no clear but this is Bell's townplay and also notty looks insanely town af anyway.
Gamma Emerald's the rolestopper who counterclaimed Dwlee and is thus basically conftown here.
Truth Innouendos Lies is both obvtown from play and also the source of the cop guilty on Dwlee and thus IS conftown here.
SirCakez has a clear*, and is thus incredibly unlikely to be scum.
MathBlade has a clear*, and on top of that is a role incredibly likely to be town.
Titus is a friendly neighbor and is thus conftown.

*godfather's not flipped but confirmed to exist so all clears are not 100%

So removing that, it leaves:
Save The Dragons
Wisdom
imaginality
WhemeStar
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
Malakittens / Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
PookyTheMagicalBear / Ralts
DkKoba Thestatusquo (has roleclaimed but this roleclaim doesn't affect my read)

From there, I still have a townread on STD and Wisdom (I realize this isn't universal) and think that Malakittens and DKKoba are still less likely to be scum from play alone.

Which leaves my personal initial "PoE" (it's not really one since some of the names here aren't so much scumreads as much as "I personally cannot get a read there RIGHT NOW even if others can and think the slot is town") as:
{imaginality, WhemeStar, chowchow, Pooky} for 2 scum remaining.

I mostly agree with this but add Gamma and Wisdom and STD in the PoE.

Pausing here

[Titus]

How do you feel about Imaginality/Mala solve Nancy

It’s possible. I don’t want to rush the day though.

It’s amusing that Math didn’t believe my role because too many cops and then Imaginality claimed another one. So we have now: Fire, me, Math and apparently now Imaginality?

The one thing that makes me wonder about Imaginality’s claim is that he in essence claimed detective. Which may be on the level but it’s also not an uncommon scum fakeclaim.

~I

Leave me out of this.
It’s already established I am an idiot unless you want me to moon logic.

Being wrong doesn't make you an idiot.

You should still try but look at things from another's perspective. Alts are meant for experimentation. If you do the same thing in the same manner, your alt gets outed quickly.

[Titus]

Meh

VOTE: Imaginality

Not alone.

[Titus]

I am saying if imaginality is scum there’s intent so let’s see what imaginality intends to do.

We can give some breathing room and if we don’t like it elim him later.

Fair position. He's my preferred elimination but I could be wrong. Whatever the group decides. Not super confident.

[Titus]

I dont feel like giving him any breathing room
He feels obviously scum with that claim
And the other is just mala but yeah

Not buying mala scum.

[Titus]

There must be some games where it would have been more beneficial for Pooky to bus scum D1. If it's just a case that he's not needed to do far, then why do people place so much weight on it? "Pooky has never bussed D1" feels fine to me in a way which "Pooky never busses D1" doesn't.

PM the mod if you feel like trust tells are a thing.

Otherwise, I am chalking this up to defeatist scum.

[Titus]

Poor Math.



Can I help?

[Titus]

If Imaginality flips town, I got no idea on SRs. Then again, I'm stuck after that too.

[Titus]

I'm ok with this, but I want to hear from Math first.

I want to also try and include him more if possible.

This game may largely be decided though.

I legit don't have strong scumreads so I'll vet almost everything.

We aren't limming Gamma or Mala though.

[Titus]

Wisdom was all over Imaginality - does he really hardcore bus his last buddy so hard?

We might be in a no win situation for scum, but you do have a point. I was willing to let Imaginality go if I was alone.

Milo, I'm not doing an MC order because we don't have Math's result yet.

[Titus]

I still haven’t read and my effort ing is like 0

Result explicitly?

[Titus]

*sigh* Waste of a check.

[Titus]

gamma is spewed town from being counterwagon to 2 scum wagons

This is not a thing. Gamma knows it too.

[Titus]

It's far from my first choice but Gamma isn't mech cleared.

[Titus]

How have there been four people in the SleepyKrew slot LMAO

I guess the Math adds up.

#punintended

[Titus]

I'll be looking at this later.

[Titus]

Let's write out everything we know to be true again.

[Titus]

My gut says to vote chowchow Math, but I don't want to eliminate Blackie.

[Titus]

I need to pound the votes but who has time for that?

[Titus]

willing to claim whenever

I think massclaim is actually a good idea.

[Titus]

you vca will find me scum because scum has been consensus wagon every day we limmed scum and i dont find value in not having competing wagons

Not necessarily. I find value in that too. It's not a foregone conclusion. There's such a thing as townbeards too. We all have rough games.

[Titus]

While Math is salty, I respect him taking a backseat until his passions die down.

Math, can you make a list of claims and do a massclaim order with Milo at the bottom,m

[Titus]

I don't care the order. Milobird is just at the bottom because that's my pet read.

[Titus]

While Math is salty, I respect him taking a backseat until his passions die down.

Math, can you make a list of claims and do a massclaim order with Milo at the bottom,m

If you’re willing to wait until after work super late yes. Kinda busy

That's fine. So am I.

No need to rush the day.

[Titus]

We should have him draw Blackie.

[Titus]

didn't Titus clear someone?

titus cleared herself

I am FN.

[Titus]

literally just opened the activity overview and looking at imaginality's post count thinking like "how did i ever consider this dude town they were literally not present in the game ever"

Probably because I FoSed them while we were wagoning other scum.

[Titus]

I'd vote chow.

[Titus]

Side note: Math isn't technically conftown but I'd bet he is town.

[Titus]

Math claimed bus driver....

[Titus]

Then how did Milobird get my friendly neighbor?

Another mod error?

[Titus]

I'm tired.

[Titus]

Then how did Milobird get my friendly neighbor?

Another mod error?

Titus are you forgetting

your own role

?

Milo got it in spite of the busdrive because of you being strong willed. You literally already confirmed that your role would bypass/override redirection actions.

No. I bypass roleblocks not redirects.

[Titus]

Slow your horses.

I'd rather get this done right and I don't 100% trust my judgment this AM.

[Titus]

200 pages has 9 characters.

Clearly, we need to eliminate someone to be down to nine characters.

[Titus]

I want to finish the first draft of my latest novel before voting.

[Titus]

i was waiting and seeing if chow would put in any sort of effort but it seems like they are just defeated scum


also if this is game over i preemptively admit i was a giant clown this game

Happens to the best of us.

[Titus]

But it's Blackie.

[Titus]

I wasn't ever a jailkeeper. I was a fruit vendor Mastina.

[Titus]

Flavor was splash.

[Titus]

VOTE: chow

Chow for now.

[Titus]

I guess I got stumped.

Let's talk this out today.

[Titus]

Not sure STD is town despite him saving me.

#reactiontest...or is it?

[Titus]

Math, why would scum!STD stump me when he could stump a PR?

[Titus]

Milo, your claim again?

[Titus]

Std, do you have stumps left?

[Titus]

Why me? I'm not really a strong documented leader and I am RL swamped...

[Titus]

I really want to work with him because real life has ne swamped and he's off the wall but he's tilted.

[Titus]

Are we really putting this on me again?

[Titus]

Are we really just putting the game in my hands?

[Titus]

I'm fine.

[Titus]

A day start pm would be awesome. I feel like the child the mod forgot

[Titus]

Seven pages. Nope. I'm tired and work's a thing.

I know I need to effort soon though.

[Titus]

I'll look at this soon.

We should start with our absolutely known shit.

[Titus]

Now, I need bed. The only reason I am awake right now is because of brain trauma.

[Titus]

Why does this feel prisoners dilemma

Mastina wants Milo
Koba wants Pooky
Pooky wants Koba

No matter who I pick someone will call me bad :/

Sympathetic. Your biggest problem is confbias.

Please do two VCAs. One assuming the conftown are town only. Second, do another supposing mastina's town.

[Titus]

Math, if you're willing, I can devote Sunday to solving this game with you.

[Titus]

I want to eliminate DKKoba eyeing the VCs

[Titus]

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

Does imaginality really hard bus everyone here?

[Titus]

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

Does imaginality really hard bus everyone here?

@Pooky, Cakez, mastina and Math

[Titus]

I'm not willing to vote Pooky today.

[Titus]

I'm not willing to vote Pooky today.

Why?.

I'm not willing to vote Pooky today.

What makes his play here different than Mt Dew? This is a genuine question not a leading one.

I feel Cakez is right. If in doubt, the discussion could focus on having Cakez review the neighborhood again and detail what happened. Without more, I'm inclined to follow common sense.

Bowser, I hate meta so I legit have no clue about similarties or differences.

[Titus]

youre fucking here bc ur reads were worse than the other clears or ur hard pocketed by scum

cakez is alive this whole time because of pooky

I've put a fair amount of thought into why I died. I still haven't figured out why me.

The bad news about your hammer is that Math and I don't get our talk time.

[Titus]

We are no eliminating today but I do want discussion.

I really don't want this power to decide but it might be true.

[Titus]

Yes it would but it eliminates the rare cakez scum scenario. I would like to review the game entirely and this stalls that a bit.

Also, I have a large theme in signups if you want to join.

[Titus]

I actually don't know why I'm asking Titus for their takes when I don't trust their reads either.

-Bell

Normally I'd hate discrediting conftown but I am off.

I still want scum to make the SirCakez kill.

[Titus]

Sorry I see shit going down but I just can't be here right now
Wednesday Wednesday Wednesday

BTW when here, can you paraphrase your pt?

He's dead.

[Titus]

I'm so detached and the "no u" posts aren't helping. I'll hopefully get in and decide who I think should die.

I still strongly favor a no elimination.

The dead chat is probably chiding me for missing the obvious.

[Titus]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[Titus]

Sorry I have not been here
I would rep out but it does not feel fair to leave at this stage

We can pull this across the finish line together.

[Titus]

I think we owe it to Math to verify it's not mastina. I highly doubt it is, but we should check our bases.

[Titus]

I still think a no kill is the safest option.

If you're truly overwhelmed Cakey, you can just bold your theory and go no elimination.

[Titus]

Cakez can you summarize your PT with Pooky again?

[Titus]

I don't think we should hammer.

I don't think it's mastina or Cakez.

I also think I am going to have trouble investing in the game due to IRL.

[Titus]

I'm going to reluctantly endorse the Pooky lim since both Cakez and mastina lean that way and are invested. Logic says Milobird imo though. I haven't read any of the back and forth and I'm out if time to.

[Titus]

Sorry for the long night. I'll try to catch up soon.

[Titus]

If I HAD to read into the Mastina kill then I'd say it does looked more likely that Pooky did it

Honestly, I'd be considering Cakey here but the game state kinda says hell no to that. Lol

[Titus]

I'm currently leaning towards limming Milobird.

[Titus]

I would normally lean towards Pooky but I just can't see Pooky shooting his partner despite what mastina says.

[Titus]

I would have recommended a mastina lim if she hadn't died.

[Titus]

Deadline is 6 days

[Titus]

like I've said not much is changing here :/
all the logic and scumhunting is pointing me at Milo but my gut and paranoia continues to say Pooky

We're at the same place.

[Titus]

Can you two stop with the back and forth? I honestly haven't read any of it and probably never will.

[Titus]

Friendly reminder Pooky was roleblocked on a night with no kill

Which night was this and who blocked him?

[Titus]

This remote is broken. It won't turn to the cooking channel. Instead it goes to animal planet. I try to mute it to have a good night with my sir but the volume keeps going higher. Worst yet, it's the same episode on repeat.

This bear and this bird are chasing after a sunset and making loud noises.

Make it stop. I want my cooking channel to bake cakes.

[Titus]

I keep having weird dreams and visions where I finally vote one of you and then the other person was the scum and they gloat in my face

Ditto.

[Titus]

Titus where you at right now?

Tuned out tbh. Everytime I go to read, my eyes glaze over.

[Titus]

Pooky, Milo for the love of God, shut up please. I'd like to talk to Cakez.

[Titus]

Pooky, Milo for the love of God, shut up please. I'd like to talk to Cakez.

k, one question first. What are your thoughts on the no kill given the flipped roles so far?

-Bell

A delayed kill somehow but maybe a block.

[Titus]

I'm struggling with why my action failed.

[Titus]

The splash before I evolved. In addition to killing his partner, Pooky would have to be a joat with a roleblock or redirect.

[Titus]

I'm leaning towards a Pooky hammer but I will feel really stupid if he's town.

Wouldn't veto Cakez's choice.

[Titus]

Agreed

[Titus]

VOTE: Pooky