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[MathBlade]

Day 4 starts now and ends (expired on 2021-11-08 00:00:00) from now

VC 4.00

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to eliminate someone

Not Voting:

Milobird, Save The Dragons, Wisdom, imaginality, Gamma Emerald, WhemeStar, Titus, chowchow, mastina, Truth Innuendos Lies, Malakittens, PookyTheMagicalBear, SirCakez, DkKoba, MathBlade

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-08 00:00:00)

Mod Notes: MathBlade replaces Critter. Continuing through my Moon playthrough with a nasty challenge where you can't use centers or heal in battle and you can only use each mart once. PP is a problem.

Same player.

Critical Role night.

I am an idiot.

Got my cop power and will use it tonight. Taking suggestions.

[MathBlade]

We got an inno on

Critter

Mathblade

-Truth

PEdit - Oh?

I’d already figured out critter was math and he was town, but it’s good to have it out there for sure

Critter doesn’t sound anything like Math because Math would know I wouldn’t lie about faking a guilty.

~I

I am literally confirmed to be the same and we almost did similar in Heroes.

But I am a weirdo and just gonna trust Gamma.

[MathBlade]

We got an inno on

Critter

Mathblade

-Truth

PEdit - Oh?

I’d already figured out critter was math and he was town, but it’s good to have it out there for sure

Critter doesn’t sound anything like Math because Math would know I wouldn’t lie about faking a guilty.

~I

I am literally confirmed to be the same and we almost did similar in Heroes.

But I am a weirdo and just gonna trust Gamma.

I don’t recall ever doing that. I never fake guilties.

~I

Yeah we came super close to convincing mass town explosions on each other because they had to have the scum. Then something horrible ungame related happened and I got knocked off my game. And nope not talking about that thing.

[MathBlade]

Meh I can just cop Wheme and figure shit out that way. Then smart brainiac people good with the reads can sort things.

Unless someone else has a super smart idea.

[MathBlade]

It comes with a PT if you’re town and I am confirmed inno unless you wanna argue I am godfather

Then whatever you did doesn’t die

[MathBlade]

okay fair enough pooky is inno

?

??

[MathBlade]

Me too I don’t wanna think
Thinking leads to silliness

[MathBlade]

THIS IS TOTALLY NOT A TRUST TELL BUT I WOULD NEVER IN 20,000 YEARS KILL MY HOMEBOY FIREBRINGER

HE IS LITERALLY THE ONLY REASON I JOINED THIS GAME TO SHITPOST AND TROLL

I shall try this.

Teach me of your ways of the positive troll

[MathBlade]

you pretend you're a submarine

*dives under the thread looking for clues*

Hey! I found some Dockers and some php.

[MathBlade]

I suppose I could get a PT with Mala

But that’s like decisions and I wanna spam.

So calling it a night instead

[MathBlade]

so:
scenarios here:
pooky led kill and was roleblocked
pooky was the nightkill target
mastina was scum who was unknowingly roleblocked by me

these are rhe working theories for the lack of kill last night ^

Ordered them by order of likliehood


Looking at the claim list, we should be going for either pooky, imaginality, milo, or wisdom here.

Also Wheme lying is possible too

Gonna random my check between Mala and Wheme I think

[MathBlade]

If wheme is lying, then the team is exactly mastina and wheme

Cool

Still not doing the thinky thing just making sure to list all possibilities

[MathBlade]

How do you feel about Imaginality/Mala solve Nancy

It’s possible. I don’t want to rush the day though.

It’s amusing that Math didn’t believe my role because too many cops and then Imaginality claimed another one. So we have now: Fire, me, Math and apparently now Imaginality?

The one thing that makes me wonder about Imaginality’s claim is that he in essence claimed detective. Which may be on the level but it’s also not an uncommon scum fakeclaim.

~I

Leave me out of this.
It’s already established I am an idiot unless you want me to moon logic.

[MathBlade]

Math thoughts on Imaginality claim please
And a vote there if you agree

My thoughts are my setup spec was clearly proven wrong.

I think it’s more than likely if scum imaginality is buying time for a deep wolf.
With all this rolestopping/blocking/things I would envision scum having a strongman

This makes the no kill highly unusual.

In short I am undecided and I want to see where imaginality takes this
If he’s scum he’s doing it for a reason
After all it’s a voluntary claim.

Doubtful scum go “Look I am scum” without a reason

[MathBlade]

How do you feel about Imaginality/Mala solve Nancy

It’s possible. I don’t want to rush the day though.

It’s amusing that Math didn’t believe my role because too many cops and then Imaginality claimed another one. So we have now: Fire, me, Math and apparently now Imaginality?

The one thing that makes me wonder about Imaginality’s claim is that he in essence claimed detective. Which may be on the level but it’s also not an uncommon scum fakeclaim.

~I

Leave me out of this.
It’s already established I am an idiot unless you want me to moon logic.

Sorry.

I sincerely apologize for what I said to you before I knew who you were.

That was a bit harsh sorry.

I have a bug that doesn’t want to go away

[MathBlade]

They also killed Kyo over the cop in Firebringer without knowing if he was one shot or not IIRC?

Like I keep wanting to elim Mastina but every time I try to look at this she’s coming up scum.

[MathBlade]

Theres nobody else being suspected though that Imaginality could draw votes from
Except Pooky obviously but he voted Pooky

Buying time isn’t about drawing votes though

I agree something is off but I think it’s expectations of the game.

[MathBlade]

How do you feel about Imaginality/Mala solve Nancy

It’s possible. I don’t want to rush the day though.

It’s amusing that Math didn’t believe my role because too many cops and then Imaginality claimed another one. So we have now: Fire, me, Math and apparently now Imaginality?

The one thing that makes me wonder about Imaginality’s claim is that he in essence claimed detective. Which may be on the level but it’s also not an uncommon scum fakeclaim.

~I

Leave me out of this.
It’s already established I am an idiot unless you want me to moon logic.

Sorry.

I sincerely apologize for what I said to you before I knew who you were.

That was a bit harsh sorry.

I have a bug that doesn’t want to go away

No worries, I really hope you feel better soon. <3

Coding bug lol developer

[MathBlade]

Theres nobody else being suspected though that Imaginality could draw votes from
Except Pooky obviously but he voted Pooky

Buying time isn’t about drawing votes though

I agree something is off but I think it’s expectations of the game.

What is it about
If we assume he wants his buddy to live through today, then his buddy would need to be in danger today

Not necessarily. Strategic sacrifice is a thing.

I did it to Not Mafia when he wasn’t posting and forgot about a game.
Bought me time to see how others reads were lining up so I could BS.

[MathBlade]

I am saying if imaginality is scum there’s intent so let’s see what imaginality intends to do.

We can give some breathing room and if we don’t like it elim him later.

[MathBlade]

How do you feel about Imaginality/Mala solve Nancy

It’s possible. I don’t want to rush the day though.

It’s amusing that Math didn’t believe my role because too many cops and then Imaginality claimed another one. So we have now: Fire, me, Math and apparently now Imaginality?

The one thing that makes me wonder about Imaginality’s claim is that he in essence claimed detective. Which may be on the level but it’s also not an uncommon scum fakeclaim.

~I

Leave me out of this.
It’s already established I am an idiot unless you want me to moon logic.

Being wrong doesn't make you an idiot.

You should still try but look at things from another's perspective. Alts are meant for experimentation. If you do the same thing in the same manner, your alt gets outed quickly.

I can’t comment much on this

But I find it infuriating you didn’t see all the different shit I did.
This reeks of confbias

[MathBlade]

Then who else?

I want to see what happens. Let things boil.

The PoE is tiny.

[MathBlade]

I was asking Titus who doesnt see mala is scum

Oh I can just cop check Mala tonight. Does that work?

[MathBlade]

But someone said Pooky doesnt bus so ugh

Well, Pooky's never bussed on D1 ever.

I imagine bussing after D1 has happened albeit probably more of a rarity, and

technically

, a N1 vig shot isn't D1 so Pooky COULD be scum without breaking the sacred no-bus-D1 rule, but given it's literally a vig shot on a fairly strong scum PR, I'd certainly think that it's not Pooky as scum and that N1 counted as an extension of D1 in that it's still before D2 info comes to light so like. Not 100% hard-cleared but I'd still go like 99%.

So that brings me, personally, to:

Milobird has no clear but this is Bell's townplay and also notty looks insanely town af anyway.
Gamma Emerald's the rolestopper who counterclaimed Dwlee and is thus basically conftown here.
Truth Innouendos Lies is both obvtown from play and also the source of the cop guilty on Dwlee and thus IS conftown here. Not to mention was likely the scum nightkill last night.
SirCakez has a clear*, and is thus incredibly unlikely to be scum, plus is half of the vig.
MathBlade has a clear*, and on top of that is a role incredibly likely to be town.
Titus is a friendly neighbor and is thus conftown.
Pooky is half of the vig and from a list of five from which Pooky could select anyone, Pooky selected a strong scum PR to kill and is thus, 99% likely town.

*godfather's not flipped but confirmed to exist so all clears are not 100%

So removing those, it leaves:
Save The Dragons
Wisdom
imaginality
WhemeStar (has roleclaimed but roleclaim isn't clearing tho it DOES influence my read)
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
Malakittens / Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens) (has roleclaimed but roleclaim doesn't affect my read)
DkKoba Thestatusquo (has roleclaimed but this roleclaim doesn't affect my read)

From there, I still have a townread on STD and Wisdom (I realize this isn't universal) and think that Malakittens and DKKoba are still less likely to be scum from play alone.
I also think that WhemeStar's claim is incredibly likely to be a town one.

Which leaves my personal initial "PoE" (it's not really one since some of the names here aren't so much scumreads as much as "I personally cannot get a read there RIGHT NOW even if others can and think the slot is town") as:
{imaginality, chowchow} for 2 scum remaining.

But I suppose to be objective, the objective pool should be,
{

WhemeStar

,

DKKoba

,

STD, Wisdom

, Malakittens, imaginality, chowchow}
Where underlined are incredibly unlikely to be scum by role/play, and italicized are personal townreads of mine of significant strength.

If it's a given that {Malakittens, imaginality, chowchow} contains two scum, I, personally, would think the town of the three would be Malakittens so I suppose I should do this:
VOTE: imaginality

(Again tho feel free to correct me if I am wrong on things here.)

I fucking hate how actually reading the rules is met with disdain
I’m not great at it myself but I actually respect people for doing that because it keeps the rest of us honest

Why is Mastina town again?

[MathBlade]

It’s amusing that Math didn’t believe my role because too many cops and then Imaginality claimed another one. So we have now: Fire, me, Math and apparently now Imaginality?

That on top of my role which could be any of the OP roles, albeit a oneshot version of them. I ended up with the rolestop, but I could've gotten any of {Your role, Firebringer's role, imaginality's role, DKKoba's role, WhemeStar's role}. Only one of them but still, I'm basically a +1 to either an OP investigative or a strong protective in this game.

And then we have the fact that WhemeStar is claiming a combined jailkeeper-watcher and that Gamma Emerald is a nearly unlimited rolestopper (with the slight gate of not the same target twice in a row).

While, per you, the scum have a godfather, what on earth in the scum's power is designed to counter 3.5 (+1 possible 1x) town investigatives and 3 (+1 possible 1x) town killstopper roles?

We eliminated a scum roleblocker (I am an idiot I forgot about this when deciding to rolestop DKKoba) who had a votesteal D1, but like...a roleblocker could only deal with one of those and even then not that effectively.

We eliminated a scum universal backup N1 to the vig, but like...that doesn't give scum extra counters to the town power.

We eliminated a scum rolestopper D3 who could help limit things and said rolestopper could take down a town role with them, but like...that's still not much in the way of counters to the town power.

The scum's tools don't give them much in the way of answers to the amount of strength the town power roles have.

My role is kind of a catch 22 if I am miselimmed before the cop my shot doesn’t exist.

[MathBlade]

With all this rolestopping/blocking/things I would envision scum having a strongman

Did I misunderstand Dwlee's role, then? Like, if it stops a target from non-actions, isn't that just a roundabout way of being a oneshot strongman who can use their strongman ability on someone else?

-Truth

I kinda just clocked out atm I have too much work. There’s so much in here I am ignoring mechanics especially if we get to godfather left only

[MathBlade]

Man idk why would imaginitly claim like that they have no reason too

Because they’re possibly gambiting that we believe their detective role that targeted rolestopped milo on n2 and hasn’t used their second shot yet?

I don’t like that they keep pushing near confitown. The mind numbing amount of absurdity and sheer disbelief required to think that out of 5 players Cakez suggested, that Pooky who has hardclaimed co-vig with Cakez, which no one has CC’d, with a no bussing meta, vigs his pr buddy with one scum already down is simply mind boggling.

~I

It’s really the Pooky push more than anything that’s the most concerning.

~I

I can’t imagine town who’d push on town /sarcasm

[MathBlade]

Man idk why would imaginitly claim like that they have no reason too

Because they’re possibly gambiting that we believe their detective role that targeted rolestopped milo on n2 and hasn’t used their second shot yet?

I don’t like that they keep pushing near confitown. The mind numbing amount of absurdity and sheer disbelief required to think that out of 5 players Cakez suggested, that Pooky who has hardclaimed co-vig with Cakez, which no one has CC’d, with a no bussing meta, vigs his pr buddy with one scum already down is simply mind boggling.

~I

It’s really the Pooky push more than anything that’s the most concerning.

~I

I can’t imagine town who’d push on town /sarcasm

You mean like you did me?

But you forget that we had proof of a vig on gypyx with no CC’d. That’s very different. I wasn’t confirmed yesterday, I am today but Pooky/Cakez vig shot was confirmed.

Yes that’s what the /sarcasm was for

[MathBlade]

More scritches for doggo

[MathBlade]

I'm ok with this, but I want to hear from Math first.

I want to also try and include him more if possible.

This game may largely be decided though.

I legit don't have strong scumreads so I'll vet almost everything.

We aren't limming Gamma or Mala though.

I am snuggling up with Malakittens <3

I still haven’t read and my effort ing is like 0

[MathBlade]

(Translation I have a PT with Mala and she’s confTown now)

[MathBlade]

(Translation I have a PT with Mala and she’s confTown now)

@Titus

[MathBlade]

*sigh* Waste of a check.

I said I was going to check her or someone else? No one gave input Sads

[MathBlade]

Carry me everyone

I kinda don’t see the point in efforting

[MathBlade]

basically scum has to be in(objectively - which is why im including myself)

[STD, Wisdom, Me, Mathblade, Chow?]

I am confirmed town from Nancy and confirmed town Mala.
GF was imaginality.

[MathBlade]

you see we have so many mech clears i lost track

It’s okay. Being paranoid of me is always a good call. XD

[MathBlade]

Someone who cares to effort should like list all the conf towns and why
And whether they are hard clears or likely clears

Eg Firebringer hooded Cakez and Til hard clears me and I hard clear Mala
So like Cakez me and Mala are hard clears
Where as Pooky wouldn’t vig a buddy is a likely clear.

I don’t wanna effort

[MathBlade]

scum literally can't kill me and i also can gain us a mislim if i guess the kill correctly which is a cherry on top (unfortunately math dies tonight. i should have holstered, i figured scum would 100% shoot there to remove the cop and eat the no kill)

Yay! I die.

Reporting for zero effort duty!

[MathBlade]

Milobird (notscience + Bell) I’ve seen their role pm
Save The Dragons town by play
Wisdom
Gamma Emerald Alexandrite (MegAzumarill+Gamma Emerald+Yume) town by play
Titus The Goat- confirmed FN targeted us N2
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
mastina
Malakittens Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens) hardclear from math
PookyTheMagicalBear Ralts shot scum N1
SirCakez cleared by katniss
DkKoba Thestatusquo
MathBlade Critter Valkyrie Dimension SleepyKrew cleared by TIL

So the hard clears are Me, Titus, Cakes, and Mala
Likely cleared by role Pooky

Everyone else is still PoE

[MathBlade]

Sorry you're burnt out and your fur coat turned to charcoal.

this was me today
two hours late to work
accidentally fucked up the new tire rim on my car
then dropped my boss' coffee all over the floor

x.x

Deploying hugs

[MathBlade]

Milobird (notscience + Bell) I’ve seen their role pm
Save The Dragons town by play
Wisdom
Gamma Emerald Alexandrite (MegAzumarill+Gamma Emerald+Yume) town by play
Titus The Goat- confirmed FN targeted us N2
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
mastina
Malakittens Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens) hardclear from math
PookyTheMagicalBear Ralts shot scum N1
SirCakez cleared by katniss
DkKoba Thestatusquo
MathBlade Critter Valkyrie Dimension SleepyKrew cleared by TIL

So the hard clears are Me, Titus, Cakes, and Mala
Likely cleared by role Pooky

Everyone else is still PoE

Yo Math, I got a proposal for you. You wanna do a Versus series game, you as town stump, me as scum stump? It’d probably be after I mod for Nancy and Taly tho

Uhmmm I kinda suck as town? I think that’d be a net minus.

I am either really right or really wrong.

If anything I would do a scum stump but no drafting players so no “who would Math pick?” But May or may not assign powers

[MathBlade]

Can I have a mathy Pokémon?

[MathBlade]

math

vote wisdom

GLORYFORKURIBO

VOTE: Wisdom

What is efforting?

[MathBlade]

Efforting is like hard atm.

Didn’t get much done.

MathBlade is spelled S-H-E-E-P

[MathBlade]

Assuming one kill a night
8,6,4,3

So a conf town has to die every night

[MathBlade]

Cakez is clear from FB

I think Titus’s idea of mass claim is good
I am effectively VT after my cop shot

[MathBlade]

While Math is salty, I respect him taking a backseat until his passions die down.

Math, can you make a list of claims and do a massclaim order with Milo at the bottom,m

If you’re willing to wait until after work super late yes. Kinda busy

[MathBlade]

Can you draw me a shiny picture of any events that happened last night that you’re aware of?

And if nothing draw something hilarious?

[MathBlade]

theory: KTT/mala slot were trying to get themselves limmed over woolax to preserve the strongman as they are the weakest scum pr - considering all the flipped scum PRs we have so far.

Your alternate theory is impossible as I checked them town.

Got any others?

[MathBlade]

While Math is salty, I respect him taking a backseat until his passions die down.

Math, can you make a list of claims and do a massclaim order with Milo at the bottom,m

If you’re willing to wait until after work super late yes. Kinda busy

12 hour shift MathBlade.exe has crasheded

Will sheep whoever and will attempt this later

Brain meat be dead

[MathBlade]

Major work day not sure what posting I will be able to do

[MathBlade]

I volunteer to be treestump to validate STD

[MathBlade]

Oh wait you have used it.

On who?

[MathBlade]

actually i targeted mathblade N4 so i was probably stopped by gamma?

Why did you target me when you knew I would be rolestopped and not another VT conf Townie?

[MathBlade]

i forgot you were going to be rolestopped

What if I said I thought your kill was on a delay?

[MathBlade]

Nevermind doesn’t explain N1 night kill but that is sus

[MathBlade]

How? You said you were two shot? And both shots used?

[MathBlade]

yeah if you lim the person i targeted n3 they should be stumped

Which is who?

[MathBlade]

like i'm not trying to be coy or anything i'm just not sure it's a good idea to tell scum who to avoid killing

Already counted out the numbers.
Scum will have to kill them anyway. Lolz.

Who did you treestump

[MathBlade]

Besides if scum kill in the non confs it is good for us.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: StD

[MathBlade]

Uh huh (Press X to doubt)

[MathBlade]

You guys are never going to make an ordered claims list are you

Just got off a long shift and I work tomorrow

I am doing my damndest just to check in.

[MathBlade]

I don’t really want you to do it math.
I want Mala to do it. Since they’re cleared.

I don’t even know why you decided to bring up titus’s encouragement of you to make more work for yourself

I am cleared by TiL lol

With how many times people “forget” clears scum gotta be doing it

[MathBlade]

Nah you’re fine

I think StD is scum.

Titus thoughts

[MathBlade]

Cool like my top 2 scumreads are std and mastina

Since no one wants those who are we voting so I can sheep and what’s the VC?

[MathBlade]

once again my claim is game throwing if it came from scum

And I don’t believe your claim so…?

[MathBlade]

I thought you were a mech guy and you really think I'd give a claim that's verifiable as the last scum here?

I am a mech guy and I think you may not have thought it through.

[MathBlade]

◓ Each role is based off of a specific Pokémon from the franchises

second and third

Generation.

These are words.

Someone explain to me this?

[MathBlade]

Math claimed bus driver....

No, that was Malakittens. Who is a permanent bus driver between herself and Milobird.

MathBlade is a modified Universal Backup, basically my role from GIFs FFXIV game, where he got a 1x copy of a dead town's move of his choice.

Slight correction you’re both right

First role was a weird busdriver my predecessor never used
Then I evolved into pull from the dead

Now no more evolutions

[MathBlade]

Can we just pick someone in the PoE and move on?

I don’t care who.
Scum kills someone repeat the process

Scum have to kill all the conf towns.

[MathBlade]

In other words stop trying to be goddamn heroes tell me who I am voting for and move on

[MathBlade]

Still tho.
SirCakez is conftown.
Malakittens is conftown.
Titus is conftown.
MathBlade is conftown.
These clears above are 100% indisputable FACTS.
Pooky is basically conftown.
This is a 99% clear.

Milobird is obvtown.

If you take the above to be true, the pool of possible scum is quite small.

Then pick one in that small pool

[MathBlade]

Then how did Milobird get my friendly neighbor?

Another mod error?

Titus are you forgetting

your own role

?

Milo got it in spite of the busdrive because of you being strong willed. You literally already confirmed that your role would bypass/override redirection actions.

No. I bypass roleblocks not redirects.

Titus. Milo got it.

Move on.

Pick someone in the PoE to vote for.

If we are right we win.

If not we have a shit ton of conf towns and we try again tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

Slow your horses.

I'd rather get this done right and I don't 100% trust my judgment this AM.

Who cares?

We have a billion chances.

Best just to elim someone in the PoE and move on

[MathBlade]

lets take our time and ANALYZE every detail of 200 pages

Please be sarcastic

[MathBlade]

VOTE: chowchow

[MathBlade]

C’mon we are elimming chow lets go

[MathBlade]

Blackie was a prior evolution.

We can still love the chow chow while eliminating them.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: STD

[MathBlade]

epic.
expected to get framed via a cakez kill so i went thrre

Also hey townies: stop fucking giving up just bc you're hard poe
its not cool and wasted a mislim for us

It’s not giving up.

It’s making the game not take forever.

Btw why on the not fast night people

[MathBlade]

i didn't out my target and look what happened

you really think as the last scum i big brained a kill on my target so that i'd look townie

Yes because I don’t think town you stumps Titus.

You stump Cakez or Pooky

[MathBlade]

It’s always been you or Mastina and I have been told no to Mastina

If I get told no to you

I just vote whoever someone else dictates

Repeat process fast night

Do it over again

[MathBlade]

It’s always been you or Mastina and I have been told no to Mastina

If I get told no to you

I just vote whoever someone else dictates

Repeat process fast night

Do it over again

why aren't you trying

This is me trying.

I explained my Mastina read. People say no.

I explained my you read. People say no.

So since all my scumreads are vetoed compromise on a townread.

[MathBlade]

Math, why would scum!STD stump me when he could stump a PR?

Because there’s no PRs left?
Also we have no proof it was N3 he did it. He only said so.

[MathBlade]

do stumps get to use their roles

No but if I had died N3 I still share who I copped

[MathBlade]

Wait no night order wrong stumping me woulda been unknown

[MathBlade]

r we seriously having this discussion

i think pooky cakez are town for a weird reason will share later

Cakez is conf town from FB lol

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Unvote

Just tell me who I am voting.

[MathBlade]

That’s the four in the PoE.

Minor chance Pooky but I doubt it.

Since StD or Mastina (my absolute preference) are vetoed then elim is between Koba or Milo to compromise again.

I figure I just keep compromising til we win or I am proven right and the pick

[MathBlade]

who do u want to kill koba?

GtH occams razor says std but id like to do a trust/distrustfall with everyone in case we got an inherited godfather etc.

(Thats where i take everyone and look for reasons to townread/scumread them and compare)

Not concerned about inherited godfather.
Every single night from here on a confTown dies.

If ever a not conf town dies sus is put on the final confTown and then and only then would I consider it.

[MathBlade]

wtf r u talking about inherited godfather?

the clears happened before imaginality died?

They’re meaning since we don’t know scum’s PRs fake clears.

I pretty much let that problem solve itself

[MathBlade]

◓ You are Informed there is one (1) Team Rocket member who will return a town result to your investigation

They’re postulating someone redirected someone to a fake inno.

Which the problem solves itself as scum shoot real innos.

If scum shoot a not clear or no kill then we pause and rerevaluate.

[MathBlade]

alright I'll review flips later.

The dumb reason i think theres a modslipped clear on pooky/cakez is that scum have fakeclaims- and the way cakez and pooky roles work it wouldn't exist


tell me my logic is good please

Kinda beyond caring tbh.

I will vote whoever Titus says.

Then rinse wash and repeat and hope I am killed,

[MathBlade]

Math, why would scum!STD stump me when he could stump a PR?

That’s one reason I scumread him but well before his claim.

I don’t get why he didn’t stump Cakez.

[MathBlade]

Or Pooky.

[MathBlade]

PLS DONT HAMMER
TIL I CAN CLEAR MY HEAD

ONE REQUEST

TY

This is me not hammering.

[MathBlade]

I don’t think cakez is a heard clear either

But apples to apples

Cakez was checked by Firebringer iirc

Someone correct me if I am wrong

[MathBlade]

Busy today will check in later

[MathBlade]

Ill do u one better
I'll write a scumcase on myself and debunk it

No thanks.

Common scum ploy

Do as asked please

[MathBlade]

I really want to work with him because real life has ne swamped and he's off the wall but he's tilted.

That’s why I said I am sheeping you.

I have a work function and a real life function tonight so my time is hella limited.

I figure I just sheep you until the only options are std/Mastina or we win.

[MathBlade]

Who I really want is Mastina. But since no one wants her but me this is me compromising.

[MathBlade]

I know I wanted to wait to see if today was better than yesterday but today is worse than yesterday

Like what in the literal duck

Just tell me who to sheep Titus

If we hydra it should be zero ducks and our avatar should be a Fox

[MathBlade]

That “108%”* (not correct but close enough) is why I don’t care who we elim.

Either we elim in my pool StD/Mastina or we elim out of it. If we are wrong we just sort of keep going until elo. Or one step before elo.

Then actual effort might be required.

Until then we’re all just yelling and getting pissed at each other for no reason

I view this game like solving a bug. Eliminate all other causes then whatever is left has to be right.

[MathBlade]

(I am quickly realizing precisely why the town pulled such a moronic move as mislimming Wisdom one of the players who should never have been eliminated before he could claim.
I am getting the distinct feeling I'm literally the only townie who is actually

paying attention

to the things said in the game.)

Paying attention and not caring are two different things

There’s a vibe and you don’t match it which makes you sus.

[MathBlade]

Once again I was vla

My point has nothing to do with you having been V/LA and more you posting about catching up. When you're kind of not that kind of dragon.
But maybe you are. We'll find out.

-Bell

why wouldn't i just make the post in the scum PT why would i apologize to scum in the main thread

It’s not about to scum it’s brownie points for trying to look Townie I think

[MathBlade]

My personal opinion and interpretation of the catch up posts is that:

STD was apologizing to his scum team buddies. Because he doesn't really ever do catch ups as actual town.

no math, it was apologizing to my supposed scumteam

My bad

[MathBlade]

There’s a vibe and you don’t match it which makes you sus.

Was the game solved when you rushed through a Wisdom elimination without letting him claim?

That's the 'vibe' the rest of the town had.

With respect: if that's the vibe that the town has, I'm not going to follow suit.

Because that type of vibe?

Is why the game hasn't already fucking ended in a town win.

We've had the game prolonged because of what amounts to town stupidity.

So if the town vibe is town stupidity?

I'll pass, thankyouverymuch.

My vibe is I don’t care who the PoE is small.

The game is prolonged due to everyone wanting to be heroes.

At this point we know there is one scum.

We just elim someone in the PoE doesn’t matter who (which is why Wisdom wasn’t a bad elim) and keep going.

[MathBlade]

The town “vibe” is a different thing altogether (I am town don’t twist that out of context)

My top three PoE’d scum are StD Mastina and Koba tbh.

[MathBlade]

We just elim someone in the PoE doesn’t matter who (which is why Wisdom wasn’t a bad elim) and keep going.

The problem with that mindset is that while from the perspective of the non-conftown the game is autowinnable, from the perspective of the conftown, it isn't.

Even taking Pooky to be conftown (which not everyone does), we've got 8 alive and only 3 conftown and only 3 eliminations.

Which means there's 4 names for 3 eliminations.

While the players inside the 4 names know that if the town eliminates the other 3 it should be a town win, the conftown don't.

So it DOES matter who.

The game's not actually an autowin for the town.

From MY perspective, it's a win if all of {STD, Milobird, DKKoba} are eliminated because from MY perspective, I know that I am town and thus, that the last scum must be in those three.

But from the objective viewpoint the conftown take, we've only got 3 eliminations for 4 suspects.

To me it doesn’t.

Me Mala Titus (dead) Cakez (yes this is conf because Fire would have stopped it)

PoE of Pooky StD Milo Mastina Koba

Assume we elim in the PoE and get it wrong

2 conf town
PoE of 3

1 conf town PoE of 2

At that point we have all the elim data and then it’s a try hard there.

If we have to try hard at all.

Today we have 20% blind guess
Tomorrow is 25%
Day after that is 33%
Day after that is 50%

The odds that all those miss is miniscule.

[MathBlade]

And yes some of those in the PoE have more or less of a chance than others.

I am only going from hard locks.

[MathBlade]

PoE of Pooky StD Milo Mastina Koba
Assume we elim in the PoE and get it wrong

2 conf town
PoE of 3

1 conf town PoE of 2

At that point we have all the elim data and then it’s a try hard there.

If we have to try hard at all.

Today we have 20% blind guess
Tomorrow is 25%
Day after that is 33%
Day after that is 50%

The odds that all those miss is miniscule.

That'd be great if we had four eliminations but we don't.
We have only three.
There's one way we could get a fourth but I'm not going to spell it out for the scum just in case they haven't figured that way out.

(And yes, if you're town and if you think you know what the way to get another elimination is: you absolutely should keep your mouth shut. You shouldn't even hint at the method. No breadcrumbing, no trying to say anything, just keep it entirely to yourself.)

It’s the same point but with three elims then.

.8 * .75 * .66666 = 40% chance of loss blind guessing.

There’s no world where Titus doesn’t decide the final elim if it gets that far and she has three choices lol

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Koba

[MathBlade]

My case is gut

[MathBlade]

I think when someone tells you they are scum, believe them.

[MathBlade]

This was not a push.

It’s a reaction test and hoping one or both of you shut up as you’ve been going at it for multiple pages.

[MathBlade]

By definition you can never be on a tangent *ba dum ching*

[MathBlade]

Are we really putting this on me again?

Yes

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88129
btw based on this game StD personality wise feels very similar + looking at the PT he was also not very much leading in a big way mechanically


math if u refused to push StD on the basis you knew they were scum in that other game and it would expose them there then smh my head.

I don’t do things in one game to influence another. That’s against site rules.

[MathBlade]

Intent if Std is at e-1

[MathBlade]

Making sure Titus is good first.

[MathBlade]

btw math + cakez notice how neither of you have died yet im literally throwing arent I huh. (fuck off with the wifom arguments that i already expect to hear btw)

also i have a 50/50 chance of buying us a mislim(me + another person or just straight up townread me and go outside and have the safety) or forcing scum to turn it into a 50/50 with me against someone else


I still think milo is solidly town after our back and forth last dayphase -

As of right now I feel pooky is at the bottom of my PoE here.

If I end up finding the WIM i think I might go through my whole ISO and outline my thought process throughout this game for everything I did. Didn't take notes but i dont need them since I am town and thus did not lie to come to my conclusions(or at least I did not in the sense of scum trying to pull one over)



I genuinely thought game was going to end last day and am honestly at my wits end here.

Scum is not throwing here. They made a choice in the PoE whoever it is.

Shit ton of OT because a stupid thing doesn’t want to work right. May or May not catch up tonight.

[MathBlade]

btw math + cakez notice how neither of you have died yet im literally throwing arent I huh. (fuck off with the wifom arguments that i already expect to hear btw)

also i have a 50/50 chance of buying us a mislim(me + another person or just straight up townread me and go outside and have the safety) or forcing scum to turn it into a 50/50 with me against someone else


I still think milo is solidly town after our back and forth last dayphase -

As of right now I feel pooky is at the bottom of my PoE here.

If I end up finding the WIM i think I might go through my whole ISO and outline my thought process throughout this game for everything I did. Didn't take notes but i dont need them since I am town and thus did not lie to come to my conclusions(or at least I did not in the sense of scum trying to pull one over)



I genuinely thought game was going to end last day and am honestly at my wits end here.

Scum is not throwing here. They made a choice in the PoE whoever it is.

Shit ton of OT because a stupid thing doesn’t want to work right. May or May not catch up tonight.

To kill in the conf towns not in the POE*

I swear I can type

[MathBlade]

YO MILO IS CLEAR

THE PERMA BUSDRIVE

No, Gamma rolestopped the perma busdrive, causing it to fail.

VOTE: Milobird

At work, so can't details until home, but I think that this is best.

VOTE: Mastina

[MathBlade]

Meh if I am wrong Titus will say so

I lack no desire to read like 5 pages of spam

[MathBlade]

YO MILO IS CLEAR

THE PERMA BUSDRIVE

No, Gamma rolestopped the perma busdrive, causing it to fail.

VOTE: Milobird

At work, so can't details until home, but I think that this is best.

VOTE: Mastina

Talk to me about Koba

Koba is annoyingly rapid posting.

[MathBlade]

Meh if I am wrong Titus will say so

I lack no desire to read like 5 pages of spam

Titus is dead

Titus is treestump

Also moonlogic time

VOTE: Unvote

Does anyone have all the N1 claimed actions?

[MathBlade]

Player	Flavor	Role	Actions
Woolax	Shuppet	Snatch - Vote Stealer and Roleblocker
ssbm_Kyouko	Azurill	Attract - Loved modifier
Gypyx	Hoothoot	Mirror Move - Uses a teammate's move
T3	Makuhita	Bulk up - Gives extra attacks when evolved
Firebringer	Rayquaza	Dragon Dance - Loyal Neighborizer	N1 neighborized SirCakez
-	-	-
Dwlee99	Swablu Altaria	Cotton Guard - 1-shot Rolestopper that stops only scum actions, Roost - Can replenish Cotton Guard shot	N1 rolestopped mastina, N2 evolved
Milobird
Save The Dragons	Mareep
Wisdom
imaginality
Gamma Emerald		Rolestopper that cannot target same player consecutively	N1 rolestopped mastina, N2 rolestopped Milobird
WhemeStar
Titus		Splash - Fruit Vendor 1-shot unblockable friendly neighbor	N1 splashed KTT, D2 evolved, N2 ultra-splashed Milobird
chowchow
mastina		Move copier	N1 copied a shot of Gamma's rolestopper
Truth Innuendos Lies	Absol	Future Sight - Delayed cop	N1 investigated dwlee (guilty), N2 investigated Critter
Kitty Trauma Team	Remoraid Octillery	Neighborizing 2-way permanent redirector	N2 targeted Milobird and evolved
PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez
DkKoba		Rolestopper	???
Critter	Lotad Lombre	Mega Drain - 1-shot move usage from the dead	N1 evolved, N2 did nothing

Updates

@std tldr

Because I am smart can do number crunching

[MathBlade]

Koba it doesn’t have yours.
Remind me your night actions

I know it’s in your ISO but that’s a mile long

[MathBlade]

Koba it doesn’t have yours.
Remind me your night actions

I know it’s in your ISO but that’s a mile long

n1- evolve from sturdy phanpy(1 shot BP) -> donphan (earthquake, delayed rolestopper blah blah)
n2 - self target
n3- cant act
n4 - mathblade
n5- cant act
n6- sircakez
n7- cant act

Please type the blah blah out

[MathBlade]

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

Did you ever evolve Mastina?

[MathBlade]

A day start pm would be awesome. I feel like the child the mod forgot

Titus help me.

I want to elim Mastina still,

[MathBlade]

Tell me I am an idiot and who I should elim.

6 of the pages are Koba spam
1/3 a page is me Pooky and Cakez
Yw

[MathBlade]

Like the amount of spam is I would policy them bad

[MathBlade]

Koba it doesn’t have yours.
Remind me your night actions

I know it’s in your ISO but that’s a mile long

n1- evolve from sturdy phanpy(1 shot BP) -> donphan (earthquake, delayed rolestopper blah blah)
n2 - self target
n3- cant act
n4 - mathblade
n5- cant act
n6- sircakez
n7- cant act

I am thinking if we don’t elim Koba we make the protection a community vote.

[MathBlade]

honestly like a large incriminating factor for pooky scum is that cakez is still alive here lmao

I mean, definitely possible.

MathBlade being alive should hard-spew me as town (like, MathBlade should

know

that I respect his competency enough to nightkill him when he's right because

I literally did that the last time I was scum in a game with him

so the fact that MathBlade ISN'T dead should prove that I'm town here), but beyond that, Titus/SirCakez/Malakittens all have about equal reasons to die in about any order.

I'll definitely be investigating that further, obviously.

I will say tho that devil's advocate, you-as-scum can't exactly nightkill the player you intend to claim you were protecting, but obviously, the counter to said devil's advocate argument is that you could've just killed SirCakez and claimed a protection on either Titus or MathBlade.

For the record I am not tunneling you. This is me restrained going “help I wanna be dumb. Help me not be”

Like I wish I could just think you’re town but I don’t and I don’t know why I feel this so strongly.

[MathBlade]

I am thinking if we don’t elim Koba we make the protection a community vote.

if you don't elim koba today they just win tomm

Uhm six alive.

Assume we miselim.

4 alive tomorrow and it’s last elim as a conf town leads it?

[MathBlade]

Why does this feel prisoners dilemma

Mastina wants Milo
Koba wants Pooky
Pooky wants Koba

No matter who I pick someone will call me bad :/

[MathBlade]

I do want to talk to Math Milo and Mastina

I want you to paraphrase the PT because you have a decent chance of not being around on D9 if we miss on the lim today.

There's nothing which could be contained within which strengthen DKKoba's viewpoints, but it could influence

mine

.

Does anyone have all the N1 claimed actions?

I want to make a version 3.0 of this, but for N1 actions, even the 2.0 version should be accurate:

Spoiler: Complete list of night actions, by player

Comprehensive List of Claims/Reads

, Version 2.0

T3

Pokemon:

Makuhita

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Bulk Up

Role:

extra attack for evolution

(speculation: evolution was an X-shot vig?)

Actions:

N1, did nothing? (not confirmed, but role wasn't evolved so presumed).

Notes:

(None)

Wisdom

Pokemon:

Huntail

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Dive

Role:

Nonconsecutive Follower (sees type of move target used, from Protective/Killing/Investigative/Misc.; couldn't use two nights in a row)

Actions:

Guess we'll never know, huh?

Notes:

Fuck y'all for extending the game because with Wisdom not speed-limmed we'd have already ended the game in a town win.

Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald

Pokemon:

Blissey

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Heal Pulse

Role:

Indecisive Rolestopper (prevents target from being affected by any move/role; cannot target the same player consecutively)

Actions:

N1, rolestopped mastina (granting her a 1x copy of his role); N2, rolestopped Milobird; N3, rolestopped Truth Innuendos Lies (this is the source of the failed nightkill); N4, rolestopped MathBlade; N5, ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

WhemeStar

Pokemon:

Gardevoir

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Imprison

Role:

Combined Jailkeeper Watcher (Targets a player; target is protected but roleblocked; learns whoever visited target)

Actions:

N1, ???; N2, ???; N3, targeted PookyTheMagicalBear (nobody targeted Pooky N3), N4 ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

The Goat/Titus

Pokemon:

Milotic->Milokaross

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Splash->Disarming Voice

Role:

Fruit Vendor->1-shot Strong-Willed Friendly Neighbor (cannot be prevented, but could be redirected)

Actions:

N1, targeted Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens (this action's failure is unexplained) and evolved. N2, Friendly Neighbor'd Milobird. (Milobird confirmed.); N6 was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

chowchow

Pokemon:

Wurmple->Cascoon->Dustox (allegedly due to scum flip D1)

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Confusion

Role:

Roleblocker that doesn't stop kills

Actions:

evolved N1; evolved N2; no-action'd N3/N4/N5.

Notes:

...Oops?

Truth Innuendos Lies

Pokemon:

Absol

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Future Sight

Role:

Informed 3-shot Delayed Cop (targets a player; receives their role the next night; could use this action three times; knew there was a Godfather in the game, later revealed to be

imaginality

)

Actions:

N1,

Dwlee

; N2, investigated SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/Mathblade, received the result of them being

town

; N3, ??? (but was killed before results); N4, was nightkilled.

Notes:

Was the N3 nightkill, due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop being the only killstop effect to work that night.

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

Pokemon:

Remoraid->Octillery

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

???->???

Role:

Neighborizer-permanent-Busdriver(busdrives self and neighborized target permanently)->???

Actions:

N1, ???; N2, targeted Milobird (this action failed due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop); evolved; N3, ???; N4, ???; N5, ???; N6, ???

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

MathBlade

using a

Loyal Neighborize

on them N4.

SirCakez

Pokemon:

Solrock

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Wonder Room

Role:

Neighbor-Vigilante with

PookyTheMagicalBear

Actions:

N1, Vigged

Gypyx

.

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

Firebringer

using a

Loyal Neighborize

on him N1.

SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade

Pokemon:

Lotad->Lombre->Ludicolo

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Mega Drain->1x Dragon Dance->???

Role:

???->modified 1-Shot Universal Backup (chooses who to back up the role of)->1-shot Loyal Neighborizer (targets a player, forms a neighborhood with them; action fails if targeting scum)

Actions:

N4, neighborized

successfully

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

, conftowning them.

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

Truth Innuendos Lies

investigating him N2 and receiving this result N3.

Sharing the Braincell/ssbm_Kyouko

Pokemon:

Azurill

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Attract

Role:

Lovedizer (target takes one more vote to eliminate)

Actions:

N1, ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

Firebringer

Pokemon:

Rayquaza

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Dragon Dance

Role:

1-shot Loyal Neighborizer (once in game, targets a player, forms a neighborhood with them; action fails if targeting scum)

Actions:

N1, neighborized

successfully

SirCakez

, conftowning him.

Notes:

(None)

Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear

Pokemon:

Lunatone

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Wonder Room

Role:

Neighbor-Vigilante with

SirCakez

Actions:

N1, Vigged

Gypyx

.

Notes:

Pooky never busses D1 so is basically conftown. Even if he weren't, Consider this:

Also, no. I'm never clearing Pooky this game without a cop clear. I just can't.

Well then you're doing exactly what scum did because this should be all you need for proof of why Pooky is town:

If Pooky literally never buses his buddies D1 doesn't that cross into a trust tell? Like instead of "I'm always town if I say I am" it's "I'm always town if I say 'vote X' and X flips scum D1"?

Ugh. I just don't believe scum target TIL which would mean hoping Gamma targeted someone else. When scum have presumably used Perish Song on someone. Like, who else would Dwlee realistically have used Perish Song on?

And if there's a town power that could direct the scum kill onto Pooky surely someone would have claimed that?

So VOTE: Pooky

There must be some games where it would have been more beneficial for Pooky to bus scum D1. If it's just a case that he's not needed to do far, then why do people place so much weight on it? "Pooky has never bussed D1" feels fine to me in a way which "Pooky never busses D1" doesn't.

There must be some games where it would have been more beneficial for Pooky to bus scum D1. If it's just a case that he's not needed to do far, then why do people place so much weight on it? "Pooky has never bussed D1" feels fine to me in a way which "Pooky never busses D1" doesn't.

You continuing to push Pooky isn’t doing you any favours. He’s practically confitown for the one shot vig thing.

Clearly not everyone agrees with you.

I just feel there's something off when people are treating it 100% confirmation of Pooky town. If other people are loudly proclaiming this every game it happens then Pooky not advertising it himself is irrelevant. Effectively town's getting an extra N1 cop inno result in a quarter or so of the games Pooky's in.

I don't know, it just annoys me we've gone from about to lim Pooky to about to lim me just because of this tell that everyone treats as gospel.

Read what imaginality is saying there and read what you're saying now and think about that for a second.

Pooky is town.

That should be enough to elevate him to conftown levels for you.

Milobird

Pokemon:

Meditite->Medichan

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Detect(only???)->???

Role:

2-shot nerfed/ORIGINAL-Motion Detector (also known as a weak-voyeur, not weak-modifier, but literally

weakened

-voyeur; may be getting an official NRG-rebranded-name soon) / Activated Bulletproof->Flavor Cop / Rolecop (depending on target's evolutionary status); checks what someone evolves into and if they’ve evolved/can still.

Actions:

N1, immunity, triggering evolution. N2, targeted Wisdom (result: two evolutions, one neighborizer one follower). N3, targeted Malakittens (result; evolved). N4, targeted STD (result, STD is a 2-evolution pokemon). N5, ???. N6, ???

Notes:

Obvtown by play, but not conftown.

Milobird where's the N5/N6?

mastina

Pokemon:

Sudowoodo

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Mimic

Role:

Reflexive Role-copier (the first player to target me, I get a one-shot copy of their move/role)->One-shot rolestopper

Actions:

N1, received a rolestop (later revealed to be Gamma Emerald's); N2, rolestopped DKKoba.

Notes:

Well I know I'm town but objectively I've technically only got circumstantial evidence clearing me between my interactions with scum, scum's interactions with me, the unlikelihood of scum having both my role and Gypyx's, and that I am out of my scum range, but *shrug*, SOME fucks still don't see me as town so make of it what you will.

Thestatusquo/DKKoba

Pokemon:

Phanpy->Donphan

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Sturdy->???

Role:

Bulletproof->Nonconsecutive Delayed modified-Rolestopper which is a form of Roleblocker (targets a player; anyone targeting that player that night is roleblocked the following night)

Actions:

N1, evolved. N2, self-targeted (this failed due to me, mastina, rolestopping them); N3, could not act; N4, targeted MathBlade (this failed due to Gamma Emerald rolestopping them); N5, couldn't act.

Notes:

Was a personal townread. Claim doesn't seem like bullshit that was made up, and doesn't seem to be a scum role, either.

Save the Dragons

Pokemon:

Mareep->Flaafy->Ampharos

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Light Screen->Growl->Cotton Spore

Role:

Protection from non-Normal(type) moves (with link to Normal-type moves)->protect from harmful moves, prioritizing non-killing moves (one action stopped/night)->treestumps a player after their death.

Actions:

N1, evolved. N2, evolved. N3, targeted

Titus

. N4, targeted MathBlade (however, this failed due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop).

Notes:

Was a townread. It felt like the same STD as I saw in Final Fantasy XIV, but today's events and last night's events make him look more suspect. Why Titus instead of SirCakez? His treestump only activates on the player's death. Treestumping Titus N3 didn't make Titus die N3; Titus was still able to vote and if she had a role, could've used it, up through N6.

In other words, using it on the known player whose role was expended instead of elsewhere is rather suspicious. Why not on SirCakez? He was clear but his role was unknown. Why not on TIL? They could've given us a third inno. Why not on WhemeStar? You get the idea. Plus, beyond that? The scum knew that MathBlade wasn't treestumped and wasn't able to be protected by DKKoba. Why was MathBlade NOT killed by the scum N6? And why did the scum know to target Titus?

Last night, aside from MathBlade, we had three conftown. Even with Malakittens not conftown on N3 (which diligent scum would be able to figure out), that's still a 50/50. How did they get it right?

I have my concerns about STD, and there's more not listed there (from other players who I read their points and didn't quote in my iso to +1 them, oops, but their points are valid and add to mine), so STD has some very ??? things going on.

I need to update this a little bit into a 3.0 version, but ^^^that is 98.5% accurate.

I kinda want to elim Koba for policy

But I don’t wanna elim Koba so we can save SirCakez as Titus and Cakez maybe better together.

Thoughts?

[MathBlade]

Why does this feel prisoners dilemma

Mastina wants Milo
Koba wants Pooky
Pooky wants Koba

No matter who I pick someone will call me bad :/

Sympathetic. Your biggest problem is confbias.

Please do two VCAs. One assuming the conftown are town only. Second, do another supposing mastina's town.

Already did the first with Mala. It said Std and Mastina but I did it in my head.

The latter I don’t see how it’s possible. I get no scum.

Have a busy day at work but will redo them when I get a chance.

[MathBlade]

Who is your elim Titus if we don’t elim Koba today?

[MathBlade]

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

Does imaginality really hard bus everyone here?

@Pooky, Cakez, mastina and Math

Doubt it.

[MathBlade]

Oh cool add Dwlee99 to Gypyx and Ralts on the pile of "scum shiftily sniffing for stuff to stir up so as to subtly scatter some sneaky suspicion on seemingly stand-up citizens"

Does imaginality really hard bus everyone here?

@Pooky, Cakez, mastina and Math

Doubt it.

Based on what?

Decent scum strat.

[MathBlade]

Everyone in the PoE please tell me who you’d elim if your top choice is wrong

Something like first I would elim X but if they’re town I would elim Y

[MathBlade]

I'm *very* sure of milo town

Why?

[MathBlade]

Everyone in the PoE please tell me who you’d elim if your top choice is wrong

Something like first I would elim X but if they’re town I would elim Y

I'm not in the POE so I don't have to do this right?

Yes you are you aren’t conf.

[MathBlade]

Math, if you're willing, I can devote Sunday to solving this game with you.

Tentatively fine.

[MathBlade]

I'm not willing to vote Pooky today.

Why?.

I'm not willing to vote Pooky today.

What makes his play here different than Mt Dew? This is a genuine question not a leading one.

I feel Cakez is right. If in doubt, the discussion could focus on having Cakez review the neighborhood again and detail what happened. Without more, I'm inclined to follow common sense.

Bowser, I hate meta so I legit have no clue about similarties or differences.

Who is Bowser? What slot are they?

[MathBlade]

Whelp Mastina’s town and my VCA is flawed somewhere.

Scum Mastina doesn’t let a typo as big as that go through.

[MathBlade]

So it’s Koba or Milo gg?

Titus and Cakez thoughts?