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Here is my new cat I got her today. her name is mirri.

I think this photo should be enough to give me a pass to d2.

also VOTE: sleepo

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yo also you know whats sick?

i got a green pm this time. first time in like 5 games.

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I highly doubt scums fake claim are an entire separate Pokémon and not just a new version of actual flavor

the scum are humans, i thought?

+1 it says team rocket

what, your role PM?

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Spoiler: The Crew

I’m townreading Shea so far.

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Ninja-
And team rocket had Pokémon

Unless you think Jessie and James are about to evolve in this bitch

Oh thank God

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I thought my vote was very clear for sleepykrew but ok I'll revote.

VOTE: dwlee

Oops mouse slip

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Ok youngster.

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I dont understand why we haven't power yeeted dwlee yet.

Firebringer, with me.

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Scum claim tbh

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They're not posting socks.

They're all talk and no action.

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excellent page top.

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A secret about me is even though I'm old as dirt I'm one of the worst hyper posters on this entire site. So uh. Sorry about that.

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I still think mastina pressure is never bad

Is it really pressure if its just nonsense? Also in my experience pressuring mastina means she will respond to the pressure 2 weeks later when catching up and not acknowledge you continuing to talk to her in real time in the thread. She'll get to that in 2 more weeks.

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I'm never that.

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I've literally seen scum mastina use that as a tactic multiple times before.

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I am zero percent to be able to keep track of it, sorry.

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I’m not wearing any socks, but one of my harmless quirks is that I usually only have one sock on around the house. It’s a mystery where it went or why one is off. But it’s a physical law of the universe.

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so why you votin' me. Lets vibe.

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that doesn't ring right to me.

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can anyone even tell me what pokemon from gen 2 and 3 did team rocket have? i only remember the gen 1s ones

they had the shitty ones.

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See thats a much better reason.

You can be town for now.

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not only does it seem impossible to know, but it also seems worthless to know, since surely their fake claims aren't "you are fuckin' nurse joy"

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Why do you have duck feet

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No

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Nah I'm good with the socks

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Also what if we just took fb completely seriously and just power yeeted him in like 20 minutes.

That would be sick.

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Actually fuck it lets do it.
VOTE: firebringer

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its not dumb its funny. it would great to just once, finally, punish firebringer for his hubris.

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it would be kind of cool to just continue to take FB super seriously and literally not move my vote the rest of the day.

until I get bored of this joke anyway

pedit I dont think you've been yeeted for scum claiming in RVS before.

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I highly doubt scums fake claim are an entire separate Pokémon and not just a new version of actual flavor

This seems to come from an informed perspective.

VOTE: Milobird

No it doesn't.

I can't decide if this a town reach or a scum reach tho.

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also thank god bell signed that post.

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ok but given that its RVS and all wagons are going to be dumb why did you make that callout like you did? Further to the point, what did you hope to accomplish by calling it out like you did?

It seems to me that as someone who has been playing since 2004 you would know that frequently wagons start in RVS for basically no reason, are dumb, and then from the ashes of those wagons people actually start having more relevant opinions and that's how we move from noise to signal.

So like, what does town you hope to accomplish in this instance from specifically saying "x wagon is dumb."

Like, yes it is, that's the point. And I know you know this.

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VOTE: milobird

if this is because of bell head. i think u should rethink. bell is often scummy

I dont really like this either tbh. I don't think its 100% accurate. I think bell tends to be scummy

as scum

and I can usually pick him out as town from the several games I've read him in.

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what do you mean

look at all the reactions i got for posting that random off the cuff thought

Calling bullshit on that being a premeditated attempt at getting reactions.

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Ok but that's not responsive to my question or my point.

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The question was "what did you hope to gain from posting 'x wagon is dumb' when you know that all early wagons are dumb and indeed that's how the entire beginning of a mafia game works"

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Who the FUCK is katniss?

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VOTE: STD

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ok i don't get it

you yourself admit the wagon is dumb

me calling it out as such is just me being honest about an objectively dumb wagon

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i wanted to call out this wagon as specifically dumb because it's what i saw, there's no special motive or anything. just because wagons that are dumb happen doesn't mean i'm not allowed to call it out as such

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holy shit what am i lying about

How is the wagon on firebringer more objectively dumb than a couple people saying they were going to policy sirCakez?

And I don't believe that you don't have a purpose when you make posts generally speaking.

It's not that you aren't allowed to call things out as dumb, it speaks to me to your mindset when you're reading the thread. It's like, a very surface level thing to call out, because you know its SUPPOSED to be dumb. So it looks to me like you're trying to sort of insert yourself into a pseudo serious discussion while actually saying literally nothing of consequence. It looks like you're talking about the game but you're actually not. I don't see a lot of town players feel the need to comment on how things in RVS are dumb, because they're too busy doing dumb things in RVS and they know it doesn't matter.

It's like simultaneously hyper aware of gamestate but not aware of the normal flow of a mafia game at the same time.

so yeah, that draws a vote.

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ok you found me

it's not possible for town to call out a wagon as dumb

you're right shea

And honestly this reaction is really bad. The whole sarcastic dismissal thing doesn't match what I've seen from town you in other games.

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fwiw I don't know what bell is talking about re:lying either.

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How is the wagon on firebringer more objectively dumb than a couple people saying they were going to policy sirCakez?

asked and answered with ralts, i didn't realize there was a wagon there.

and it's not mutually exclusive. i can think both are bad and might only post about one. c'mon dude

And I don't believe that you don't have a purpose when you make posts generally speaking.

what's the scum motivation behind calling a wagon bad

It's not that you aren't allowed to call things out as dumb, it speaks to me to your mindset when you're reading the thread. It's like, a very surface level thing to call out, because you know its SUPPOSED to be dumb. So it looks to me like you're trying to sort of insert yourself into a pseudo serious discussion while actually saying literally nothing of consequence. It looks like you're talking about the game but you're actually not. I don't see a lot of town players feel the need to comment on how things in RVS are dumb, because they're too busy doing dumb things in RVS and they know it doesn't matter.

how is me disavowing the FB wagon not a dumb thing i'm doing in RVS

It's like simultaneously hyper aware of gamestate but not aware of the normal flow of a mafia game at the same time.

why do you think i'm not aware of the normal flow of a mafia game

1) first quote: so? do you usually call out all dumb 3 person wagons you become aware of on page 9 of a large?

2) second quote: ok but you're missing my point which is that people generally don't do this because they know its fluff and they are looking to find actual things to talk about which might create meaningful information for them to solve other players alignment which brings me to

3) third quote: I don't see you doing that here. It's less a scum motivation thing and more of a scum mindset thing. Scum frequently have a hard time doing the whole trying to solve players thing because they already know the alignment of their partners, so they find ways to talk about the game which don't have actual consequence. they want to look like they're scum hunting or trying to divine alignment, but they're not. Your statement was that. It was the exact kind of statement scum makes when they're trying to look like they're making game relevant observations which under closer scrutiny are actually just meaningless fluff.

And that brings me to the snarky citation needed post. The town std I'm familiar with would be attempting to solve me through this discussion. you're not. you're attempting to shade my arguments and try to make them look ridiculous. every single response you've made has been a slight misinterpretation of what I'm saying to make it look slightly worse than it actually is. I don't get the impression at all that you're curious about my alignment here, and given that my meta as scum definitely includes making aggressive d1 pushes (side eye: fb for townbinning me when he should know that about my scum game. potential pocket attempt?) one would think you would be.

So uh yeah STD is scum.

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none of that was actually responsive. please try again.

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if you're voting one of the wagoners because you think you've started sorting them maybe share with the class or is this another argument of convenience like when you said "look at all this discussion I generated?"

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No I'm not playing that game. Explain why you're voting bell if you're going to somehow claim that this was some master plan on your part to generate reads.

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ok but that happened late in the interaction and nothing has shifted in how you're interacting with my push.

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I'm speaking to firebringers point that you seem to be treating me as townie. Your response was that this was because of two specific things I did towards the end of the push.

My contention is that's what is making you town read me and your tone and actions towards me didn't change, why were you treating me as if I was townie fypov at the beginning of the conversation.

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Which is kind of what I was getting at earlier. It kind of seemed like you never even considered the possibility I could be scum pushing you.

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I mean yes that was my point about how you didn't seem to be trying to solve me. It seemed to me that from the very start of the interaction that possibility that I could be scum here didn't even seen to be something you were considering.

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Hmmm your tone HAS actually shifted significantly in this interaction. Right after me and firebringer questioned you about what you thought my alignment was/if you were trying to solve me.

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For what its worth I'm still attacking you. Nothing in this conversation has read town to me. Hope that helps.

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am i the only one to like STD's reaction to his wagon? Like, it's quite the overagression from TSQ, and fenrir's reaction doesn't really feel calculated if y'all see what i mean

additionally wheme seems cool

What of my points do you disagree with?

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I think you must not be reading my posts then. Because my argument has very little to do with which wagon STD called out but rather why STD made that comment at all.

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Anyone posting in the thread without explicitly discussing me and std is scum claiming

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Didn't mastina do like exactly this in ydrssal and get mod killed

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I understand that people still want to meme if they didn't get their fill of memes earlier but I think there's enough thats happened here that people should not be memeing.

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Brain Cell is scummiest slot in this game by far
no one else is even close

Nah that would Sir Dragons Saver.

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I understand that people still want to meme if they didn't get their fill of memes earlier but I think there's enough thats happened here that people should not be memeing.

You mean how you should stop tvting and vote esurio?

If you want to convince me not to vote STD you are going to have to do a little more work showing why my points arent correct than just saying "lol tvt"

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I understand that people still want to meme if they didn't get their fill of memes earlier but I think there's enough thats happened here that people should not be memeing.

if you want to reduce the memes in the game, have you considered eliminating chowchow!

(I'm still down to go back to voting STD if that gets momentum)

nah chowchow is cool.

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Some hydras feel the need to play up the dissonance to 11 as either alignment. This is one of many reasons why hydrae suck.

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what the fuck are you doing.

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ok i don't get it

you yourself admit the wagon is dumb

me calling it out as such is just me being honest about an objectively dumb wagon

pedit

i wanted to call out this wagon as specifically dumb because it's what i saw, there's no special motive or anything. just because wagons that are dumb happen doesn't mean i'm not allowed to call it out as such

pedit

holy shit what am i lying about

How is the wagon on firebringer more objectively dumb than a couple people saying they were going to policy sirCakez?

And I don't believe that you don't have a purpose when you make posts generally speaking.

It's not that you aren't allowed to call things out as dumb, it speaks to me to your mindset when you're reading the thread. It's like, a very surface level thing to call out, because you know its SUPPOSED to be dumb. So it looks to me like you're trying to sort of insert yourself into a pseudo serious discussion while actually saying literally nothing of consequence. It looks like you're talking about the game but you're actually not. I don't see a lot of town players feel the need to comment on how things in RVS are dumb, because they're too busy doing dumb things in RVS and they know it doesn't matter.

It's like simultaneously hyper aware of gamestate but not aware of the normal flow of a mafia game at the same time.

so yeah, that draws a vote.

TSQ UTR DREAM

have literally no clue what this means.

I also kind of agree with wisdom that nancy will become incredibly easy to town bin at some point so not super interested in looking there today maybe? But I don't know how the dynamics of a hydra change that fact.

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Anyone posting in the thread without explicitly discussing me and std is scum claiming

Okay who has scum claimed

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idr I was just trying to get people to talk more about STD and less about reflexive day vig self voting super saints or whatever the fuck meme was happening at the time.

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wow lucky me

I'm screaming every time someone just declares a read with no explanation. No one fucking cares. Blessings and praise to those of you that are giving reasons

how about you give some reads instead of just complaining about the others doing so?

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Can we call them the hydra name instead of esurio?

It's going to be incredibly hard for me to keep things sorted if we keep referring to individual heads this way.

Also I would need to go back and reread the iso because they didn't really leave much of an impression on me other than that they were agreeing with me.

Anything in particular you want me to be looking for?

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Wait Nancy are you claiming you do not jump on people for making reads in you and why? That was not my experience in the entirety of team mafia.

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Now granted that game was hell so some leeway is given all around.

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Ah, auro is reaction testing is what you're saying.

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I'm pretty skeptical of "ok we're going to solve the game" claims tbh.

I find they're frequently made by mafia who are attempting to inflate their own importance.

Again see FL in team mafia.

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i think a lot of things can be said about std's play so far.

flying under the radar doesn't seem like one of them.

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I don't think it matters if chowchow is hectic. Also, the gimmick is similar but not identifiable in any way. Seems like anyone could do this gimmick and its not a hard one to think of.

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I think a lot of people in this game are likely to have >rand reads.

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shea I danced for you are you going to respond to that

sorry prolly not

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I'm kind of unsure why TIL is focusing so heavily on who chowchow is instead of sorting. It's a very similar ping to what I attacked STD for.

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I'm kind of unsure why TIL is focusing so heavily on who chowchow is instead of sorting. It's a very similar ping to what I attacked STD for.

And likewise its on town

Once again if you want to engage with me you should spend some more effort explaining why what I feel is wrong instead of just being like "lol town."

Its beginning to get really fucking irritating.

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Not to be mean but basically my experience in games I've played with/observed of town mastina I'll just take her town Poe and eliminate all of them and win the game.

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Save The Dragons is the only leading wagon I understand at this point. Haven't seen a case to the Brain Cell or Milobird votes.

Firebringer had some votes but the wagon quickly died off. Not interested in voting there.
the brief chowchow wagon was fine. I don't see voting people who are strictly here to meme as productive, but I am generally on board to policy lim them sooner rather than later.

nancy not answering the questing is kinda irritating but very much in line with what I'd expect.

micc

I don’t understand, I answered it already twice. What do you think I haven’t responded to?

~I

Every time i go to quote a post on mobile i almost report it by mistake lol.

Anyway i guess what I'm really trying to say is i don't really understand why you're devoting so much effort to talking about this in particular given that i don't really know how it helps you in any way as town which leads me to start thinking of other explanations for why it might be useful for someone to spend so much time talking about something that is ultimately irrelevant to the alignment of people in the game.

Like i get that you said that you think hectic has greater than random reads but it seems to me that description fits a lot of people in this game so I'm not sure why you care so much about hectic in particular. Is there something special about hectic that isn't true about other people here?

Basically i think the fixation is weird so I'm poking at it.

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I think at the very least we can be absolutely certain that til and chowchow are not buddies if either of them ever flips red because this would be the weirdest scum scum interaction I've ever seen in my life.

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I mean the opening post literally says all roles are Pokemon right

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I trust the mod enough to not believe that speculation about the scum roles would be of any use to us even if that weren't true but given that it is why are we talking about this?

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I think that is frequently true as well.

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I have.

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Don't think I've ever seen auros scum game and i don't think i know your other head at all though.

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Also I too got TvT vibes from TSQ and STD's posting

Wait but didn't you vote std?

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It's not backwards, because in a TvT fight the scum are more likely going to say "this fight is TvT" and do nothing about it--I realize I didn't work to defuse it, and I realize there could be and will be town who similarly didn't work to defuse it, but I still think that there would be scum who just called it TvT and did nothing about it.

I'd need to go back to that section of the game to check for the names more likely to be scum calling it TvT tho.

I think ignoring it and doing something else is another way of defusing, but I don't think it's necessary to harp on this point. I'm more interested in seeing what names you come up with!

Also I too got TvT vibes from TSQ and STD's posting

Wait but didn't you vote std?

Nope

pedit: I'll vote when I'm all caught up. I'm in the early 20s

Could have sworn you did. I'm having a hard time keeping people straight in this game i guess.

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VOTE: Gyphx

Yo bell come talk to me. Can I please get some words so i can maybe at least take a look at your meta read on my own?

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Wish it were goatrevolt. Goatrevolt ruled.

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VOTE: Gyphx

Yo bell come talk to me. Can I please get some words so i can maybe at least take a look at your meta read on my own?

Gyphx auto pilots as scum and needs an entire team of committed mafia players to keep him afloat.
Prolly not happening here.

Ergo he's scum because his tone is lifeless, his posts stringy and full of phlegm. Gyphx town is focused after the jokes.
He's meandering here and letting the world pass him by.

-Bell

I didn't really feel like his conversation with me about std felt that way.

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Ok but did you think that interaction felt that way?

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Kuribo is in this game?

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Huh, so he is.

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So tell me who 1 town person is who is not me or you cakey one

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"ama"
*Leaves immediately*

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Yeah. Still haven't seen a reason why any of his reaction to me was town.

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It kind of feels like you've been weirdly me focused this game dwlee. Do you have thoughts and questions for the other players in the game?

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Goats entrance feels off to me so far. Complains about pages (frequent scum tactic when they're behind and need to say something) makes vague comment about the largest wagon maybe being scummy (how would you know? Maybe because buddies are talking about it in pt?)

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So tell me who 1 town person is who is not me or you cakey one

Sleepykrew

Some thought process would be nice

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I can confirm that sk is naturally genuine and chill.

Although I will say that if i asked you for one player to be town in the whole game i would have expected to have a little bit more than vaguely tonal reasoning.

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Why

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Nah bruh.

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What was the thing you read you were commenting on that was ostensibly a gut read.

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Dwlee uses they/them pronouns please.

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DWLEE IS PLAYING VERY STRONGLY TOWARDS HIS TOWN META

it would help when people make statements of when someone is playing to a meta alignment they describe it so rest of class can engage.

This is true but also you're very guilty of the same and honestly you haven't been very forthcoming with reads at all and it's beginning to remind me of your scum game.

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no pls read me

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Strong Town:
Milobird
chowchow

Better than mild town:
Wisdom
Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
Ralts

Mild town:
Dwlee99
T3
Alexandrite (MegAzumarill+Gamma Emerald+Yume)
Whemestar
SirCakez
SleepyKrew

TRUE NULL
imaginality
Mastina
Woolax (wooper + Micc)
Truth Innuendo Lies (Nancy Drew + Marashu + Auro)
Gypyx

Mild scum:
The Goat
Sharing the Brain Cell (esurio + Anonymous )

Concerned about:
Save The Dragons
Firebringer

Hard scum:
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DWLEE IS PLAYING VERY STRONGLY TOWARDS HIS TOWN META

it would help when people make statements of when someone is playing to a meta alignment they describe it so rest of class can engage.

This is true but also you're very guilty of the same and honestly you haven't been very forthcoming with reads at all and it's beginning to remind me of your scum game.

i was gonna say the point of me being a hypocrit but i don't think i have stated in this game i read x as scum/town due to meta. I think ive said x is town/scum but gave no reasons which u could say is worse but w/e

i think ive only evoked meta in this game to say something was NAI.

You've kind of felt kind of pockety from our interactions and I don't really know what to make of that and kind of floaty in giving random opinions on other things people say while not giving very many thoughts of your own that hadn't already been given by other players.

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some of those reads make me barf

Ok, which ones other than yourself.

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Strong Town:

Milobird

chowchow

Better than mild town:
Wisdom

Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)

Ralts

Mild town:
Dwlee99
T3

Alexandrite (MegAzumarill+Gamma Emerald+Yume)

Whemestar
SirCakez

SleepyKrew

TRUE NULL
imaginality

Mastina

Woolax (wooper + Micc)

Truth Innuendo Lies (Nancy Drew + Marashu + Auro)

Gypyx

Mild scum:
The Goat
Sharing the Brain Cell (esurio + Anonymous )

Concerned about:
Save The Dragons
Firebringer

Hard scum:
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In which direction do you disagree on these. I could go cross reference your post but I'm in the middle of something.

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Interested in particular in your thoughts on milobird. I've vibed with bells posting a lot this game.

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Also I legit think most of what I've seen from chow chow is more likely to come from town. I tend to town read meme posting in general, and while I get that scum can meme post and have meme posted the balance of my experience suggests that they're way less likely to.

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milobird - why strong town, i feel like they're scummy
chowchow - why strong town, i feel like there's not enough to read
KTT - how do you have a read at all
Alexandrite - how do you have a read at all
Sleepykrew - how do you have a town read there's nothing going on
Mastina - why is this null she seems really town to me
TIL - why is this null nancy seems really town to me
Gypyx - why is this null he seems pretty polarizing

I already answered chow chow and milo.

KTT: I quite like kuribos post and thought I remembered content from mala as well that I liked earlier. But I just went back and looked at the iso and you're correct there's not as much meat there as I remembered there being. I still slightly town read Kuribo's entrance, but I think you're correct they're too high.

Alexandrite: I have a vague sort of tone town read on gamma specifically who I have a hell of a lot of experience with. It's really weak though.

Sleepykrew: Its a vague tonal read as well. I actually agreed with sircakez reasoning for finding SK town as I have him mildly townbinned for it as well. but I was surprised it was his number one response when I asked him for a town read.

Mastina: Agree to disagree. I've seen this from Mastina scum before many times. She hasn't done anything out of her scum range even a little bit.

TIL: I do not agree that nancy reads as town, obviously. I do not think she reads scum either exactly and its possible that I'm just picking up hydra dissonance but if you refer to anime destroys untrod tripod there was almost a sort of indiginance there when anyone scum read her which I'm just not quite picking up in the same way in this game. It's like she knows she needs to replicate that sort of reaction to being scum read but her heart isn't quite in it. This isn't enough to scum read her but its enough to not put her in a town bin for sure.

Gypyx: I've kind of talked about this previously but I don't really see the case on gypyx to the extent that it is being sold. I don't really agree with Bell that his interaction with me defending you for instance meets the criteria that people were saying for why they found him scummy. At the same time he also has not done much at all. So...you know, somewhere in the middle.

Also VOTE: firebringer

This interaction has pushed you into somewhere between the bottom of TRUE null and the top of mild scum.

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I assume nai: not alignment indicative

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This interaction has pushed you into somewhere between the bottom of TRUE null and the top of mild scum.

oh boy!

shrug, I was trying to see if your analysis of my reads extended past the "vague shade" stage and it did and displayed a nuanced understanding of the game state and the players in it and reasonable opinions about how they ought to be sorted which obviously you could fake as scum but I doubt you would bother in this context.

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I think its pretty funny to suggest that somehow I am "focusing" on that when the analysis came in a much larger post about other players and even the small part that was about you (explaining why you were in the null bin) referenced another possible explanation as well.

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the one time i've seen scum mastina she said the most random things i don't know if that's the case with scum!mastina but it's definitely different from my (admittedly only one) example

I think mastina says random things as either alignment. At the very least I think the randomness of her opinions and statements is not a very good method of reading her.

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I'm just picking up hydra dissonance

Where have Nancy and I have exhibited dissonance?

-Lies

pretty sure it was nancy and other head. u haven't given many opinions here auro from what ive seen

why are you answering for me?

Also, specifically nancy and I had a conversation about how Auro's reaction testing confuses her specifically and it was a sort of weird inflection point for the slot for me in that I was getting a sort of "pulled in two directions" vibe from the posting.

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but she isn't doing that this game is my point

Right but she generally DOES as town is mine.

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Yeah I understand what you're saying. I am saying I have seen that same vibe as town mastina so at the very least you not picking up on it here isn't town indicative and is just "weird" indicative

[Thestatusquo]

I think its pretty funny to suggest that somehow I am "focusing" on that when the analysis came in a much larger post about other players and even the small part that was about you (explaining why you were in the null bin) referenced another possible explanation as well.

You brought that up as a reason to nullread me and it’s still a really sore subject for me, especially coming from you.

~I

With all due respect get over it in the context of this game. I enjoy you generally speaking and I don't want to cause you any pain but at the same time I have to sort you and I'm going to use the tools I have. Shrug.

[Thestatusquo]

i think i downplayed the "randomness." she literally quoted random posts and was like "Town." "Scum?" "Town!" "scum." to them it was bizarre. i mean i get that she got caught that way and could just...not do that, but it's just a different energy

Mastina seems to have been absent entirely for a while. As far as I recall, one distinction from her scum game was that as scum she'd drop in to post from time to time, just that the posts seemed very different from her townposting.

-Lies

See: team mafia in 2018 for a direct refutation to that as a function of mastina as scum.

[Thestatusquo]

I think "they have played slightly differently in some games in the last three years" does not invalidate meta from before, it simply widens the range.

[Thestatusquo]

I think "they have played slightly differently in some games in the last three years" does not invalidate meta from before, it simply widens the range.

Widens the range of capability, sure, I'm simply arguing about the

likelihood

.

-Lies

This is true but from a bayesian perspective i think you've shifted your priors too much if you're saying mastina is likely to be active with random content as scum only.

[Thestatusquo]

Strong Town:
Milobird
chowchow

Better than mild town:
Wisdom
Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
Ralts

these reads are ridiculous lol

Explain why mr vague boi

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Sleepykrew: Its a vague tonal read as well. I actually agreed with sircakez reasoning for finding SK town as I have him mildly townbinned for it as well. but I was surprised it was his number one response when I asked him for a town read.

what???

This doesn't seem difficult to understand.

[Thestatusquo]

Reeeeally not liking this reaction to my reads from cakez.

[Thestatusquo]

i had the same reaction

No you didn't. I think your reaction is substantively different because you were able to articulate what was actually different from ypov.

Cakez saying "My reads are vague and I don't have many of them but yours stink!" is very different.

[Thestatusquo]

Strong Town:
Milobird
chowchow

Better than mild town:
Wisdom
Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
Ralts

these reads are ridiculous lol

Explain why mr vague boi

you kinda already covered it further on but your reads on Chowchow, Ralts and KTT I see literally no basis for

Sleepykrew: Its a vague tonal read as well. I actually agreed with sircakez reasoning for finding SK town as I have him mildly townbinned for it as well. but I was surprised it was his number one response when I asked him for a town read.

what???

This doesn't seem difficult to understand.

You called me about it but have the same reasoning to townread SK? It doesn't make any sense

my post literally explains why I think thats notable. There's a difference between saying "I mildly townread x player." and responding to a question asking you gun to your head who is a town player and responding "x because of tone"

[Thestatusquo]

milobird - why strong town, i feel like they're scummy
chowchow - why strong town, i feel like there's not enough to read
KTT - how do you have a read at all
Alexandrite - how do you have a read at all
Sleepykrew - how do you have a town read there's nothing going on
Mastina - why is this null she seems really town to me
TIL - why is this null nancy seems really town to me
Gypyx - why is this null he seems pretty polarizing

I already answered chow chow and milo.

KTT: I quite like kuribos post and thought I remembered content from mala as well that I liked earlier. But I just went back and looked at the iso and you're correct there's not as much meat there as I remembered there being. I still slightly town read Kuribo's entrance, but I think you're correct they're too high.

Alexandrite: I have a vague sort of tone town read on gamma specifically who I have a hell of a lot of experience with. It's really weak though.

Sleepykrew: Its a vague tonal read as well. I actually agreed with sircakez reasoning for finding SK town as I have him mildly townbinned for it as well. but I was surprised it was his number one response when I asked him for a town read.

Mastina: Agree to disagree. I've seen this from Mastina scum before many times. She hasn't done anything out of her scum range even a little bit.

TIL: I do not agree that nancy reads as town, obviously. I do not think she reads scum either exactly and its possible that I'm just picking up hydra dissonance but if you refer to anime destroys untrod tripod there was almost a sort of indiginance there when anyone scum read her which I'm just not quite picking up in the same way in this game. It's like she knows she needs to replicate that sort of reaction to being scum read but her heart isn't quite in it. This isn't enough to scum read her but its enough to not put her in a town bin for sure.

Gypyx: I've kind of talked about this previously but I don't really see the case on gypyx to the extent that it is being sold. I don't really agree with Bell that his interaction with me defending you for instance meets the criteria that people were saying for why they found him scummy. At the same time he also has not done much at all. So...you know, somewhere in the middle.

Also VOTE: firebringer

This interaction has pushed you into somewhere between the bottom of TRUE null and the top of mild scum.

you forgot to explain chowchow, while it's pretty much your most obscure read out there lol
like, your only positive comment on them was about sticking to the gimmick right?

and okay cakez

I answered about chowchow a couple posts above this hence why I said "I already explained chowchow."

Please try to read things before you respond to it.

[Thestatusquo]

Like I know that was snippy but there's been so many times this game where people are like either just dismissing me by saying "player is lol town" or responding to my posts with something that is literally already either answered or giving an answer that shows clear lack of having read the posts they're talking about. This is the second time you've done this with me specifically gypyx so its frustrating me.

[Thestatusquo]

I fundamentally don't understand why more people aren't voting firebringer.

[Thestatusquo]

the brownies don't go away if you die. that just means more for the rest of us if you think about it.

[Thestatusquo]

We are not.

[Thestatusquo]

Dwlee uses they/them pronouns please.

P sure he said elsewhere he was fine with any pronouns but k then

People change and even if that's the case you should default to using the displayed pronoun since that is the preferred one. Please refer to dwlee as they. I'd really appreciate it.

[Thestatusquo]

My reads are motivation based

[Thestatusquo]

No I'm not. What I'm doing is baysian. I'm asking myself what is the most likely motivation for given actions and then adjusting accordingly as i get more information.

[Thestatusquo]

It's the way I've successfully scum hunted for a decade and a half now and I'm not changing because wisdom or t3 posts "nai! Lol town!"

If anything i think your critique much more accurately applies to how they're playing than the way i am but i tend to not try to dig too deeply into critiquing other people's methods since it's not very fruitful and just try to Guage how they line up with my own.

[Thestatusquo]

No I'm not. What I'm doing is baysian. I'm asking myself what is the most likely motivation for given actions and then adjusting accordingly as i get more information.

Saying "baysian" and "priors" is reminding me that I have machine learning work to do smh

To put it in those terms: you may be overfitting?

I think my progression on std does a good job of showing how my process actually works when accounting for new information

[Thestatusquo]

Another thing i don't get is why you think my analysis is based on some conceptualization of traditional scum tells and not my own experience which is informed by a fuck ton of games of mafia as well as specific meta influences from knowledge of specific players.

[Thestatusquo]

Second TILs request.

[Thestatusquo]

ok but given that its RVS and all wagons are going to be dumb why did you make that callout like you did? Further to the point, what did you hope to accomplish by calling it out like you did?

It seems to me that as someone who has been playing since 2004 you would know that frequently wagons start in RVS for basically no reason, are dumb, and then from the ashes of those wagons people actually start having more relevant opinions and that's how we move from noise to signal.

So like, what does town you hope to accomplish in this instance from specifically saying "x wagon is dumb."

Like, yes it is, that's the point. And I know you know this.

To discuss a specific example here, shea, I didn't take this reason for STD being scum seriously because I think your concept of assigning motivations is flawed here. You argue that town!STD shouldn't have much motivation to make that post which sure

maybe

, but that doesn't actually imply that scum!STD DOES have the motivation to make that post imo. I think that reading based on intent is 100% the way to go normally but I just don't agree with how you are assigning these intents which is why I made the analogy to vote hopping that people typically think is scummy

I actually explained why I thought there was potential scum motivation for doing that in another post in pretty great detail tbh so like maybe read the rest of the posts.

[Thestatusquo]

disagreeing with me is fine, but that is not the same thing as claiming that I did not provide an explanation on why I thought there was more scum motivation than town motivation.

[Thestatusquo]

@ktt I'd like you to iso firebringer and TIL pls and ty

[Thestatusquo]

I mean if you'd like to read the thread in lieu of that i would also accept that offering.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm not assigning intents. I'm weighing a balance of probability and moving it along a sliding scale with information and that's really the last thing I'll say on the subject.

[Thestatusquo]

Like if you don't like how i scum hunt tough tiger titties. No one is asking you to sheep me.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm vibing with that bell post quite a bit. And i know where my conclusion does on the scale of balance of potential motivation.

[Thestatusquo]

*conclusion lies

[Thestatusquo]

Reminder to myself and to anyone rereading the game in like 3 game days that chowchow and TIL are never red together.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm generally blanket against giving scum any information we don't have to.

[Thestatusquo]

Reminder to myself and to anyone rereading the game in like 3 game days that chowchow and TIL are never red together.

We are not buddies with anyone and I strongly doubt chowchow is either. What I don’t understand is why you’re even making this post. I thought you had them as strong town?

~I

I frequently leave little notes for myself for when I reread the thread and if I end up doing so on d3 or 4 if either of you is flipped I want to look back on this. Did you know that not every time someone mentions your name needs to be responded to? You can just ignore things sometimes.

[Thestatusquo]

I evolve if im the leading wagon at end of day

Does this happen if you reach majority, or only if you are leading plurality at deadline?

Pedit: Milo, which head made that last post I'm seeing in pedit?

notsci, I was answering wisdom when he asked where I got my opinion of what the push on Braincell was.

ninja-
Shea did you ever weigh in on Braincells? You can quote if I missed it

idr but I'll look later when I get to

work

the coffee shop where I work, pinky promise.

[Thestatusquo]

So ok went back and looked and it seems like I haven't addressed them before directly. Here's a brief iso skim thought.

They were involved in discussion on mech spec as well as were one of the players complaining about thread length. Both things are very slightly more likely to come from scum than town. (like 52-48% or something like that)

I also thought scum was people. but then again I also got excited earlier because I thought our role confirmed no third party. and it does! but uhhhhh so does the ruleset whoops

my brain, like the moon, is made of swiss cheese.

shoulda been lunatone smh

so, calling it now, this is gonna be one of those games that I don't reread ever due to its pagecount.

-q (last post was also me, but also like... trust me it'll be obvious if it's not lol)

Back in my day

Join Date: 2015

get off my lawn.

They seem to be really into my STD analysis without really explaining why. They vote STD and then later on move back to STD again without much explanation other than sheeping me. Could be pocketing me but I doubt it? More likely just looking for a place to park their vote which doesnt seem suspicious or genuinely believes in my attack on StD and wants to see where it goes. This is less likely I think because they don't really do any pushing on it. But ehhh it's hard to say this is better than rand in either direction.

okay one more thing actually: might reassess STD vote and talk with B about it when we're around later, see if B noticed anything I didn't, and go from there. thought process (because fuck your modern meta, I'm still gonna keep elaborating): I'm townreading people who are townreading STD and I feel like there's been a lot of slot interactions since then that are worth giving a closer look. I don't want scum-STD to slip away by posting less and slipping under the radar, but I also think there's probably something I've missed since our initial STD vote that is a more concrete reason to be voting someone, and I just kinda feel like my first big scumread of the first day is prooooooobably not correct because that would be too easy and I'm probably still better at correct townreads than correct scumreads. maybe that's me wifoming myself again tho. B is a more decisive person in general so maybe he'll be more useful lol.

-q

this is a pretty weird post. townreading people who are townreading StD, but who are those people? Waffles on the read a lot in a self conscious way, and also theres some dissonance here around how seriously they're taking the read with how they're talking about it vs how they're trying to project it "I don't want scum-STD to slip away by posting less and slipping under the radar" vs "I just kinda feel like my first big scumread of the first day is prooooooobably not correct because that would be too easy and I'm probably still better at correct townreads than correct scumreads. maybe that's me wifoming myself again tho" is a weird juxtaposition when talking about the same read.

replace out is probably pretty null.

I think I have them in the correct place as slightly scummy in that they haven't really done anything and the things they've done have been kind of weird but at the same time I don't think they were scummy enough that I feel the need to not wait for what the replacement has to offer with an open mind.

[Thestatusquo]

not in order

Strong Town:
mastina
Truth Innuendo Lies (Nancy Drew + Marashu + Auro)
Thestatusquo
Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
Whemestar

Lean Town:
Dwlee99
T3
Ralts
Gypyx
SirCakez

Null:
The Goat
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
SleepyKrew
ssbm/Sharing the Brain Cell (esurio + Anonymous )

Lean Scum:
Firebringer
Alexandrite (MegAzumarill+Gamma Emerald+Yume)

Scum:
Milobird (notscience + Bell)
imaginality
Woolax (wooper + Micc)
Wisdom

I want to pick at goat alexandrite imaginality wooper and wisdom reads a bit.

For goat I'd like your thoughts on their entrance and why it doesn't read scummier than null to you. For the scum reads just a sentence or two on why would be helpful.

[Thestatusquo]

a little teaser: searched my name and I think I'm gonna be properly pushing STD unless the Gypyx wagon really speaks to me

What did you think of STDs interaction with my reads list?

[Thestatusquo]

I'm losing contact with this game. Gunna try to recenter and be more active tomorrow.