Micro 1030: I tell you what I'm doing | Mafia Wins!

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FIRST. eat meat
VOTE: Galron

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10 minutes have passed.
I have noticed that although this room has 9 players, I am not receiving 9 votes on Galron. I'm not sure if this is being done intentionally or if their mafia friends are forgetting to vote them. Either way, I've had enough. I have compiled a list of individuals who have "forgotten" to vote Galron. After 2 consecutive strikes your name is automatically highlighted (shown in red) and I am immediately notified. 3 consecutive strikes and you can expect an in-person "consultation".

HockeyFan I
Galron I
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DkKoba I
toxictaipan I
Save The Dragons I
Enchant I
Emberbloom I

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VOTE: cows confirmed scum opener

cows town

also im miller

guilty of destroying my wagon dream, this was obv

I cc miller(excuse to fearvote Koba). Also @cows, Galron hard town, dont vote there

VOTE: Koba

DkKoba II
HockeyFan II

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i hardclaim cyclone - i started the game knowing all the mafia members from the start.

i don't know shit about balancing can there be two cyclones in a setup

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Your strike system is bs! Cows, you're voting town rn btw, and if you're voting mafia, you're bussing so just dont bus and vote koba

you say my strike system is BS while attempting to get me to give myself a strike
clearly you believe that it has some sort of merit

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cue me realizing caught dreamteam galkeyfan isn't a reality

soz, chalky

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I want a strike

you don't tho

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galkeyfan

Ew.

you get rid of your strike if you tell me a good alternative to galkeyfan

VOTE: emberbloom

and action

?!?

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Cows, you arent gonna get your desired MC on galron unfort! so just give yourself like 5 strikes! But like is it too early to say cows/galron not paired here?

5 strikes at sushi's

why would it be? i already voiced a read of mine and i don't think the take is that terrible
still would like you to explain it anyways

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actually
UNVOTE: Galron
i sleep

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what about here

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Solid come back. You're the one with a vote still up for a "conftown" player per your own statement. I would have expected an unvote if you weren't scum.

why an unvote instead of a vote for enchant, if they're the only person not covered by the conftown statement? were you aware of this part?

VOTE: toxic
Explain your intentions/thoughts process - HONESTLY - now. If you dont I'll consider you scumslipped.

i'm a monkey because the closest thing i see to a scumslip is the unwillingness to state anything related to an opinion on my alignment, combined with "'conftown' player per your own statement"

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Fair point, but I will argue that it was a mis-play

either way

on DkKoba's part.

i find this unlikely given the pace of the game and past experiences w koba
it's almost painfully NAI which you're close to getting with bolded i think
went and did a meta skim, aside from this being your first game in years i don't actually see any games where you've solved with this in mind
but i'm doing this in the absence of good answers to any of the questions asked, go and fix that!

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Explain in Simpler terms

Cows, you arent gonna get your desired MC on galron unfort! so just give yourself like 5 strikes! But like is it too early to say cows/galron not paired here?

why would it be too early? i already voiced that you and galron weren't paired earlier in thread (because i think a much more reasonable reaction from scum!you would be to eventually give in and leave my galron vote alone) and i don't think the take is that terrible
would like you to explain the anti-pairing a bit more

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that is to say though - I was snowed by hockey in the game he was scum in, even with a cheater who knew he was scum trying to convince me he is scum lmao

a scum member told thread in the same game that scum!hockey solves himself
never bothered to fact check + i don't think of him as that sort of player, but this post reminded me of that

activity isn't my concern (fairly sure it's NAI) but he hasn't given ample individual content yet which was what i used to townlock him in the last micro we played
but opening posts make me want to lean him town already

I've never been a huge fan of meta, but ok. I'm playing this game not the last game. That's just a personal opinion, though.

is that why you didn't give out anything from 37?
i

try

to use meta well earlygame in the absence of information and it's only failed me once in my wonderfully short history

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me when
there's a kobargument while i was Gone
i'll dig into it when i'm off

1. Where did you voice i wasnt paired with galron
2. i think u arnet paired cuz of your first page of egging ppl on to vote Galron, but then like randomly unvoting them in 23. I do not think this comes from scum buddies

14, and thanks
but it wasn't random though, i think the fact that nobody really budged or even ignored me meant that there's probably gonna be no dice if i continued it further
which yeah, does bother me because i attempted to solve that exact problem with the funny strike system

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I would just not get ignored?

what

Toxic- This is only one im confident in putting as town, They had no reason to make 27 as scum imo

i sharply disagree with the reason used

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hi galron, std - am back

To be perfectly honest, I'm not 100% tracking with what you're getting at in 37.

do you have a preferred way of solving? the way you do it seems pretty reminiscent of older games i've read (which ofc checks out) but i don't know where exactly the pushing is taking you rn
(i think this would've been significantly more useful a couple of hours ago since you've made yourself clear + there's a lot more information i need to chew on but that was what i was thinking at the time)

Cows bad smh. Whats your read on toxic

i don't think their 28 is alignment indicative
clear upper-half in reads, there's a lot of shared sentiment among the ahem, older players (metabad, opening posts boring compared to mine!) which they started first
the piggybacking by those people, combined with my current reads makes me feel like they do belong there
otherwise they'd be scumleaning, i find their opening posts to be really awkward

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i think the way cows has treated my slot has been towny so far but im biased obviously.

and i see nothing that screams differently from the 2 town games we've had together.

i attempted to read you in the most smooth-brained way possible in both games so this hurts me

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Hi cows. Do I know you?

doubt, i'm a bit familiar with you though because i've kept up with some of the games you were in (popcorn mafia and the mini normal w/ you, hockey and StD come to mind)

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28 is certainly AI in some sense no? Scum!toxic did not have to say that lol. Scum care alot more about thier self-image

i can think of as many scenarios for scum!toxic to make it (easiest one would be "first push in the game will get it going in my direction") as i can for town!toxic so using it doesn't feel right. i think above doesn't make sense without hindsight

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

i don't like it either lul which is why i'm starting to look elsewhere
and ember?

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my laptop deleted this like twice lul

wdym "and ember?". Also re your first point, im talking about that specific push.

Did Toxic have to push Koba? No, they didnt.

your only mention of ember was when they created the wallpost, which you pointed out as a possible pocket attempt
is there more to it now?

hockey!!! both alignments want to do town things like pushing in RVS
this argument forced me to look at toxic's opening posts and i think they're fine now, was focused too hard on the intentional lurking aspect knowing that they don't know anybody in this playerlist
bluntly i think this is just because you won't tell me what else you found from that ISO

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if thats the case, yea then 150 is pretty spot on lol

i like this because it shows that he forgot about the s tier scum method of deflecting to a partner when pushed which, i think he has done more than once

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Cows why are you holding onto your vote?

i had a lot of unanswered questions regarding hockey and toxic and i just barely figured out a POE i'm fine with today
so the answer's personal choice? others probably would've voted in that same situation

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Cows why are you holding onto your vote?

i had a lot of unanswered questions regarding hockey and toxic and i just barely figured out a POE i'm fine with today
so the answer's personal choice? others probably would've voted in that same situation

Have you identified why we're so deep into Day 1 and you're having difficulty?

i want to say it's a pot full of lurkers, polarized thread conditions and a tiny bit of IRL, all of which don't really help me shine
but it all feels overblown, so i'd rather blame it on these internal causes
- overreliance on meta
- constant waiting for others

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I guess I'm asking what would help you get your vote out there?

oh
just giving me time

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If hockey were confirmed green to you - and ember was a flipped scum - what would you be looking at for a partner?

if i have the question right, votecounts are obv and an *actual* reread of pages 4 and 5

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i remember liking enchant's posting but W it's 2 posts
still would not like enchant limmed today

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cows is here
first,

Could we maybe use my correct pronouns, please? I was gonna give y'all a pass and didn't call it out til now, but I'm starting to get very uncomfortable.

i apologize, ember. promising to do better


gimme a moment to do other cool things

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And DkKoba, even if you're right about her putting work into the personal post but not into a game post, it's super tacky to make that allegation.

was actually looking for a post like this from galron, i think this kinda consistency (see their iso) is towny

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None of Koba's posting has shown they have a thought process. It's just reads and shit-stirring.

i didn't feel that way when they asked 166, which was why i answered it so readily. forcing me into a situation like that means that they're obv looking at me at a certain angle
i think it's more that their thought process isn't transparent
with that rephrased, i don't really see how this is alignment indicative. it gets even more NAI when koba's directly aware of it (109)
it all feels really stubborn, which was something i disregarded in the first koba/ember argument but it's a recurring response to their pressure

where i start to get tinfoily is when i iso you, look for my name and see that overall i'm null or arm's reach from a vote but you've only mentioned positive things from me in order to poke at koba, and offhandedly you'll say things like "i could understand the votes he received"
can i ask you directly what has pinged you?

why i asked about solving in a hockey town world? - i thought at the time cows might be scum so i wanted them to force them to expend some thought process outside of the easy partner accusation and lock them into thoughts there - its hard to explain but i just wanted to better evaluate cows because ive had an issue reading them without tinfoiling them.

did you get the answer you wanted? my first instinct was to give you their partners which i felt would've made more sense

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Retracting my townread on Toxic for now. You really overplaying it.

My DEEEP expireince tells me, when mafia endangered, they search for shapegoat (me) so i think Ember/Toxic could be maf accused and Hockey/Suchi/Galron are partner diverting attention.

Galron is less likely because actually voted me, while Hockey and Suchi are "oh well enchant sus but not sure" hoping someone else push me.

oh no i wasn't shading you in that post, sorry if it seemed like it
it was more of the fact that your posts reminded me a lot about what i had in my mind which i later articulated (163 and 142)

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im hesitant to vote for someone on their birthday

if they don't spend one of their wishes on not being voted today then sorry, they're free real estate

except i'm not at their birthday party, so

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StD's probably my only null
hockey i am formally inviting you to ISO him with me later

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cows takes a nap and ruins the thread's momentum (part one)

here is a BFP (big f,.,., fat post)

Spoiler: std iso

16 is a bleh entrance because 1) he already had a strike and 2) he wasn't aware of 1 and didn't try to get a strike anyways
i don't know what it was supposed to do
li ike 36, was after toxic attempted to align with StD in their opening post, so the vote feels pretty good if i put myself in his shoes. booo hockey
49 and the subsequent hockey vote 51 don't feel good because his toxic vote was way more fine
the sequence of 53, 54, 56, 57, 59 are nai don't care don't care
61 i used to think was terrible
drafted a post a while ago but it felt too maldy and didn't really fit the thread's mood. little did i know
cows said:
""

i'm probably not going to read a game modded by a known mafia cheater but i do find it ironic that someone cheated in their game. sorry it got ruined for the rest of you

anyway, hockey's scum is probably where i'm at

taking in all of this information about the game and yet missing all of its merit doesn't sit right with me

i find this post so weird because clearly STD had read enough to know that one, the game was hosted by shellyc, subject of the greatest sea shanty cover known to man and two, this was the game w/ the cheater and finally, all 3 of koba, hockey and me were in the game and that it was a valuable meta resource because it was recent, in a very similar setup format to this one and had tons of material?
""
then i realized it was just a regular case of metabad so i shelved it

Anyway I'm going back to ignoring koba

going back to 505 > going back to ignoring koba
120 is agreeable, that page had a couple of genuine takes from galron i feel
127, 129, 132 are all posts that discourage tunnelling, also a certain angle he's taking to read people he hasn't talked about yet. super methodical. not that i remember the last game i played with STD vividly but i never noticed anything like this
i don't feel like commenting on his progression on me, but it's there
lot of NAI posts (without context?) until 210 onward which is a lot of beating around the bush regarding making a read on ember
at least until 251, which is actually a pretty good readslist (based on results only) provided that neither of us are washed
something in calling ember's introduction bad while having a sub-par one feels towny but makes me want to flip ember even more

std's a net positive, really wonky earlygame but has looked townier since then. wouldn't vote today

Spoiler: d1 lim list

will vehemently defend:

cows
galron
enchant

don't see the point in limming:

koba
toxic
std

POE:

hockeyfan?
ember

thanks for the iso, hockey
and for the response, ember, will visit both tomorrow
@toxic: there's still a lot i need to sort through for my POE slots

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Should we No-Elim today? Because we kinda will be forced to do it anyway (not even number of players), so it could be good to do it when mafia have less chances to snipe potential PRs.

do not

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VOTE: Cows

is it the ISO
would like to talk abt that

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No, tbh its just that you're not much producing much content while here and want to see what u have

i mean yeah, it isn't timely but i don't think it matters as much as me holding myself up to my own standards

i'm set until the day ends. is there something you want from me other than the things i said i was going to do today?

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1. HockeyFan
2. Galron
3. cowsloveSushirolls
4. DkKoba
5. toxictaipan
6. Save The Dragons
7. Enchant
8. Emberbloom

why is std townier than galron?

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why is std townier than galron?

or is that a null emoji, can't tell

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If you'd like i can cut out everything you've said that is just a restatement of whats happened in the game without any follow up on it and show you with how little we are left with.

unironically interested in this

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Anyone home?

!! sorry i'm typing up stuff
i thought we had a day left

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No, tbh its just that you're not much producing much content while here and want to see what u have

i mean yeah, it isn't timely but i don't think it matters as much as me holding myself up to my own standards

i'm set until the day ends. is there something you want from me other than the things i said i was going to do today?

1. What were u gonna do today

2. I need more opinions on koba/toxic/ember(thier intreactions)

3. Whats your read on Enchant

1. 259

2. k here's some bits and pieces at the top of my head that i can;t bother to back up
toxic, while their response to call it off feels traditionally more scummy to me, koba's acceptance of it makes me want to townlean them both because of meta (i think how it diffused was similar enough from the mini normal argument with town!koba and town!cyclone to draw connections, but i'd rather distance myself from the hellish site)
along with that i have no idea what koba's gameplan is as mafia because in that situation, it seems like something that could backfire if they pick someone that can towntell reliably. koba has meta on both of us and i don't think either of us can do that, so i'd imagine that using us that way would be simpler
there's no way koba is hellbussing (or attempting to in the case of toxic?) because there's no need to, rule out koba/toxic, koba/ember

3. enchant's town and the current person i want to flip gives minimal information on them regardless of alignment so i sorta have to be confident on that one

I'll be around but ember should probably claim soon

intent to
ask ember to claim
i'll be here at EOD

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I'll be around but ember should probably claim soon

intent to
ask ember to claim
i'll be here at EOD

There's a chance we NL.

Besides, does it

really

matter for anyone that's voting me?

what, the claim?
they always put things into perspective for me so i put emphasis on them
not that i really have the time to do that

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so AMA before day ends I guess

i don't think hockey/koba is a thing - the koba/hockey interactions have been in the air for a while and it was appealing to me at first it later got shut down
hockey and koba were a scumpair in the game koba linked to toxic: that action itself feels too on the nose but also there's a bit of an experience gap which was pretty evident since koba was coaching hockey's actions that entire game
i'll do the homework later if people have further questions but i don't feel the same vibe

what other pairs do you think are feasible?

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your case has a lot of things that irk me about hockey and is also why hockey's at the bottom of my list, but this is a rather inopportune time. hockey hasn't checked in today i think

i also know that my lim list of hockey/ember has at least 1 town because it's a pair that never wins the game in any universe so i'm wary of the timing of this push, along with other shared feelings that i am paranoid of the validity of (lower half of 141 was one, and ironically the "posting with a plan" idea)

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death.
VOTE: Emberbloom
E-1

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pre-emptive bah

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DkKoba died in the night. They were a Vanilla Townie.

this kill bothers me

pre-emptive bah

Don't really like this. Why do you think you would be killed?

wait is that what bah means? i thought a person could say it every time day started

8. Once you have died, you lose the ability to post. Do not make a “bah” post.

like it made sense to me

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Response to 338 and 339

[snip] -CLSR
Nice shade @ cows(344)

Also; is NKA useful on MS?

why are you interested in ember's one-liners and not mine? you kinda deserve the shade-that-isn't-really-shade-because-it's-my-honest-feelings-on-you

i feel like NKA would be useful after this dayphase and while i could do it right now it feels less like conjecture and more like taking shots in the pitch dark
i'll do it anyways
(tomorrow)

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cuz im used to your one liners being full of random shit . i havent actually ISOD u properly but i selected a few of your posts and they seemed scummy to me(more like your vibe in general but shh)

like gal said i don't see how that ties into not paying attention to my responses
so i'll put this on an unrelated note
all of d1 was me trying to see how i fared if i put as little bullshit as i could in my posts
but then i realized how little fun i was having so i'm mellowing out

i think i like that you're the first person to call it out

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Oh then I didnt understand 363. can u re-explain what u meant

was thinking about the lack of input on 336 but you may not have caught it i think

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cows, what bothers you in DkKuba NK?

bothered is probably the wrong word
because i don't think the person i voted on d1 would ever make that kill unless they believed they were outted, which would likely never be the case because of the lim not going through
so i have to completely switch trains of thought

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Imo i think "What a strange NK" is more likely from scum who want alienisate that. Could Sushi+STD?

but my point is that it isn't generally strange, but it was for the person 4 people were pushing yesterday

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VOTE: HockeyFan

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okay so that happened

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And no one was paying attention except for cows and toxic, right?

as far as i'm aware? if you mean who was online at the time
i came back from the washroom, was going to say something along the lines of "i notice this exercise but will not comment any further"
then..

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where does toxic fit into in 386?

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bah

LETS GO

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mmmmmm
I'm gonna be in and out today but i wanna start this by saying that i have ember and enchant at townleans
(galron too but)

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also i barely realized what the "just because the game is called i tell you what i'm doing" joke meant
so there's that

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Galron said line about "I would shot DkKuba" and i realised he probably town because of that.
cowsloveSushirolls and Save The Dragons tried to give "i would never do that strange nk lol" impression, so i think mafia hiding here, because my read kinda worked with Galron. But i am not sure, both or Ember is partner with some (That E-1 speedrun vote was really horrible). Either way, i am not voting Ember today, even if she could be partner with some.

Galron said line about "I would shot DkKuba" and i realised he probably town because of that.cowsloveSushirolls and Save The Dragons tried to give "i would never do that strange nk lol" impression, so i think mafia hiding here, because my read kinda worked with Galron. But i am not sure, both or Ember is partner with some (That E-1 speedrun vote was really horrible). Either way, i am not voting Ember today, even if she could be partner with some.

again, i didn't say that to distance myself from the kill but to show that it influenced my read on emberbloom

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desperately need someone to bounce ideas off of

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Enchant - I'd have publicly asked my partner to vote d1 so that I'd sheep (post 303). Either I'm Spicy Scum, or Enchant isn't my partner. Like, Enchant also blatantly not voting d1 looks bad if I get elimmed day 2. Small chance but unlikely.

i like this evaluation esp since i did some of what's mentioned on my own in order to be comfortable enough to townlean you and enchant together when coming in
it disregarded any sort of VCA, though thanks for the work

the not voting point was in my head for a bit but i disregarded it because it felt useless without knowing what enchant was thinking at the time
@enchant ?

std, who are your bottom 2

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cows come back and say stuff i think you're town, what are your thoughts?

i have a piece regarding very recent enchant meta that i'll get around to typing today. at the top of my head i don't think enchant's playing to scum meta but assume bias for now
i have the least notes on toxic but

No it's more like trying to get enchant to commit to something since the vote hesitancy D1.

Read it however you like, though.

and the preceding e-1 vote give off this open-wolfy vibe where he'll make sacrifices to cred in order to advance wincon, which i wouldn't be seriously considering if it didn't contrast d1
point i'm getting at is that if toxic's in a scumteam he's probably intending on winning today
so for who fits in that, enchant and to an extent you? ember i see fitting the least

for general things
the pace i'm gonna attempt means that i'm going to try to place my vote around the 24h mark. would also like massclaim to happen there also

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You calling Cows town is kinda hell. Can you explain why?

enchant, does ur scumread on me have anything to do with 403? i posted a response to that but got no feedback

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REJOICE

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but like
gog damn

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enchant meta:
like i said, recently finished game where enchant was scum, comparing it to here in the absence of uh, other information

Code: Select all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87980&user_select[]=35064

if i could describe the iso:
opportunistic and cheeky. enchant scumhunts using gotchas on townies but isn't hesitant to mechanically clear other townies. sometimes enchant will omit those clears if it means they can continue a push
this happened once when enchant soft-tunnelled clemency, a player who should've been mechcleared from enchant's pov first but wasn't

Spoiler: quote wall

yeah im giving away the autonomy of my explode and turning it into an orthodox vote process
right now it doesnt mean much but what i'm thinking is if i continue with the same idea d2 it'll locktown me because scum would not and should not ever do this
obviously dont take it into consideration yet because day 1 i can say that just to prevent dying as scum and losing the game
correct me if my logic is wrong

VOTE: enchant before he gets to post again

this is literally what i wanted to avoid :c

bruh

i promised to explode immediately on day start

Imo Pooky is more likely town than not.

He claimed "i will explode Enchant". Clemency claims we are team, but it's totally dumb (really, will mafia explode on other mafia? Because if Pooky will use any reasoning to "not" explode on me, it's blatant deadaway we are partners). Pooky!Maf never agree to explode on Me!Maf without real reason.

If Pooky is mafia, he literally forces hand to explode (and he is one of smartests persons in lobby. Dumb sacrifice for mafia team! And unneeded, because Pooky is unlikely to get elimmed as statistic says).

Honestly i don't really care, i can just explode on Clemency (or Almost50). Just promise me one thing.

If some of you end up being town, you not gonna claim you "tried" win d1, because you voting obvious town without any reason.

here, enchant seems more paranoid and lenient, doesn't really think in absolutes which i think is a fundamental shift in how they solve compared to their scum game
434 might be the nail in the coffin. there's no sense of self-assuredness which i'd totally see in scum!them in ELO. just a willingness to wait and see in order to reeval me and StD
which worries me a bit since i'm looking at the 22 hour mark which probably means their vote's smacking me but it's wtr

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i'm acknowledging the vote

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i'm acknowledging the vote

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arrr, it be closed

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i still have no idea how to answer the no lim question. it's an enigma
moo

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T4 hasn't updated the timer yet i think, sincerely don't hope we have 3 hours

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if so i'm actually feeling like consolidating today
VOTE: Not_Mafia

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cows washed

[cowsloveSushirolls]

biggest reason i asked to NK koba was because wolfing against them past d1 felt super exhausting lol
absolutely terrifying. maybe someday