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So this is how New Jersey gets citizens. Don’t tell people you’re New Jersey until they’ve already signed up."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I too am here to tell you about the good news. My good news is that there ARE places that aren’t New Jersey.
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Sounds like some kinda cult to me.
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I'm pretty sure it confirms you're not Korina. It's pretty much a guarantee that Korina never gets to join the cult at this point, to the point where I had to make an entire setup to force it to happen.In post 22, Loftwing wrote:I rolled Cult and got Cult. Is this bad, or does that just make me Korina?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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This is probably a waste of time, but if someone wants to claim they rolled cult into survivor I'd be happy to give them space and look for other scum for now. I'm down with letting 3rd parties win if they can win with me.In post 21, cyrus62 wrote:so i have a few ideas. 1st one if everyone who rolled cult but didnt get it type the letter c. if you didnt roll cult type the letters n/a . and if you fudged a dice type fudge and what dice you fudge . for me it would be n/a fudge dice 2. now you dont have to play along if you dont want to . but this might help us find out if there is a cult or not.
You should not claim fudge dice usage, because it potentially narrows down who got useful powers/not useful powers."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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To be clear, I am also evangelistic. Anyone else who is a miller type should claim immediately.In post 12, Bingle wrote:I too am here to tell you about the good news. My good news is that there ARE places that aren’t New Jersey.
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You never said it was in New Jersey.In post 31, Cook wrote:This setup is precisely as it was advertised."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Yes, actually. Even if that is a genuine cult leader claim I don't want to kill it with fire atm.In post 34, Quiet Owl wrote:Obviously cutting day 1 short is stupid, but is there any benefit to keeping the claimed cult leader around? They've got a motive to hunt scum, but arguably so do any other factions in the game, and if they make it to night 1 we risk having a townie converted."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Nah, Loftwing goes on the "Probably Gets Shot N1, Reevaluate if They're Somehow Still Here N2" List"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Why would you claim scum as scum?In post 40, Quiet Owl wrote:Why would you fake claim scum that's like the most anti-town thing you could possibly do
There are two potential answers to why Loftwing is Loftwinging:
Loftwing is lolcatting or Loftwing is Jester. The first is NAI. The second is potentially game ending for scum. If somehow Loftwing IS cult, that's actually the biggest threat to all of the individual scumteams.
tl;dr Scum should definitely shoot the person who can maybe end the game, and not just to set up a vig claim down the line. Similarly, Loftwing is a pretty good vig target. Loftwing should not be the elimination today at all.
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Cult leader wouldn’t claim. Theoretically someone who rolled cult and instead became a survivor, SK or jester could claim survivor so that we know that there is in fact a cult but that requires multiple people having rolled cult to begin with.In post 56, StrangeMatter wrote:Like I’m trying to consider it from Cult’s POV on this right, if there’s only the Cult Leader, then if they play along with this, they hopefully turn one player, and Leader gets NKed, then it’s only one cult member who can’t do anything. Wouldn’t that just be worse, even assuming everything goes well for them?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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If the seven is anything more than arbitrary flavor then it taints the game, so we can assume it’s arbitrary flavor.In post 60, cyrus62 wrote:My idea is simply unless you rolled cult and didn't get it you have no idea if there is a cult. What does the seven mean? Does it mean there are 7 town two scum two wearwovles and two aliens or does it mean there are six town,One cult 2 scum two wearwovles and two aliens? Which is why I askd what I did . I'm not asking for your rolls or even your role I'm just asking if you rolled cult and didn't receive it?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Technically STD brought it up first when he claimed cult-Miller.In post 58, Loftwing wrote:
Cyrus brought it up firstIn post 21, cyrus62 wrote:so i have a few ideas. 1st one if everyone who rolled cult but didnt get it type the letter c. if you didnt roll cult type the letters n/a . and if you fudged a dice type fudge and what dice you fudge . for me it would be n/a fudge dice 2. now you dont have to play along if you dont want to . but this might help us find out if there is a cult or not."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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So… I have a method by which we could maybe break the game but it is both unfun and at the very least against the spirit of the rules.
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Implementation would require the majority to play along and given that it’s not explicitly against the rules a reroll of the game would be more likely than a mod kill."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I’m not going to say it, but basically it exploits the setup to confirm town by having town provide information scum would have a hard time replicating quickly.
It wouldn’t confirm me as town in any case because I would know in advance exactly how to manipulate the process.
I’m also not going to use it without overwhelming support because like I said it’s really not very fun."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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What information indeed."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Probably shouldn’t.In post 72, Mama Ru wrote:So... are we going to claim our dice rolls?
Basically the only things on the claim table atm are the millerships and being an extra cult.
How do you feel about voting owls?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I can feel how annoyed Cook is with me right now. It’s like a particularly flavorful hot sauce. And changing the rules to close the loophole would confirm that my strategy exists, interfering with the game."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Dice rolls directly affect roles. Hell, even which roll you applied the fudge to would give info to a scum lord paying enough attention.In post 79, Mama Ru wrote:I did not suggest that we claim our roles, but our dice rolls."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Theoretically you could be a town vig who could act 30 times night one though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Jack is a parity cop who is more likely to be fully functional 1/3 of the time. Either of the other roles get the fudge downward toward several useful roles, but are likely gated heavily. Probably not worth killing for role before D3.In post 89, cyrus62 wrote:
That gets tricky see 1 though 20 no one knows what number you rolled . Or if you added or subtracted or what number of the 4d dice you rolled unless you state it. For example jack rolled a 6 7 8 =21 jack states he fudged a dice but doesn't state if he went up or down or what dice he fudged leavening scum to . A wonder if he's being truth ful about his roll or if he's lieing and if he's being honest what one did he fudge and what number did he get and did he add or subtract .In post 83, Bingle wrote:
Dice rolls directly affect roles. Hell, even which roll you applied the fudge to would give info to a scum lord paying enough attention.In post 79, Mama Ru wrote:I did not suggest that we claim our roles, but our dice rolls."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Tl;dr don’t claim rolls."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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This is exactly why we shouldn’t claim rolls.In post 95, Enchant wrote:I think claiming "Faction" dice rolls is safe but somewhat useless. Mine is 4 which i fudged down, and got 1 instead. Not claiming others yet.
The implication of this claim is that both the role and modifier rolls you had were better than their surroundings as an aggregate. Which is useful information for scum."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Oh? I think I’ve done quite a bit more. For example, I’m very serious about my vote on Owl.In post 100, cyrus62 wrote:Bingel also feel like scum to me he hasn't added any help besides rejecting all my ideas."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Yes. Their reaction to Loft left much to be desired.In post 116, Save The Dragons wrote:can you elaborate your vote on owl
34 was kinda like asking permission to scumread someone which came across as self conscious, 37 didn't really feel like they were putting any thought into why I said we shouldn't turbo lim the cultist claim and kinda just felt like they were taking it for granted that I had town's best interests at heart without asking for elaborations or explanations, there was no response to 38, and 40 seems to treat Loftwing as town.
Not a solid case, but more than a liquid case and definitely the best vote in the thread atm from where I stand."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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FWIW, I also disliked Loft's reaction to my assertion I had a gamebreaking strategy we could use. Felt like fishing for information to prevent it from catching them."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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What scum motivation do I have to lie?In post 131, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I was trying to catch you in a lie, because there is no gamebreaking strategy that you could possibly have.
And also there is, but ."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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wat?In post 133, Jake The Wolfie wrote:The scum motive to lie is to see how coordinated the town could get if prodded just right"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Do you still think I haven’t done enough? Why? Why did you think that in the first place? Who has done more?In post 115, Bingle wrote:
Oh? I think I’ve done quite a bit more. For example, I’m very serious about my vote on Owl.In post 100, cyrus62 wrote:Bingel also feel like scum to me he hasn't added any help besides rejecting all my ideas."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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It does depend on the rolls (there are theoretical worlds where it nets us no information in fact) and would explicitly not work with me or anyone I was partnered with. In fact, prior knowledge of how it works completely negates any advantage it might bring.In post 163, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
How can this be done? You said "maybe" - does it depend on what people actually rolled, or are you unsure if it will work and it is independent of rolls?In post 65, Bingle wrote:So… I have a method by which we could maybe break the game but it is both unfun and at the very least against the spirit of the rules.
Thoughts?
Were you aware I just called out loftwing as potential scum because it felt like they were fishing for ways to mitigate the strategy?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I was ignoring it as a PR softclaim, tbh.In post 155, Dragon of the West wrote:
Like I know I'm guilty of skimming Cyrus's posts but how did NO ONE at least ask about this?In post 147, Dragon of the West wrote:
??????In post 44, cyrus62 wrote:like i think i already messed up posting i think me hiding this game would have been best.
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This seems more like an argument that I HAVE done a significant amount, than the opposite. If your actual complaint is that I'm not engaging with mech ideas I think are bad other than to point out why I think they're bad, I don't really have a solution to that. I'm not going to advocate doing things that I don't see leading to scum eliminations because... Why would I?In post 144, cyrus62 wrote:But you haven't realy played ball I. Am here trying to find methods to find scum easier butyou seem to some how found scum in 38 post.
How do you feel about my reasons to scumread Loft and/or Owl? Do you agree with the logic? Do you disagree with the logic? Why?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I'd actually missed this, but it makes the Jester win trivial.In post 103, cyrus62 wrote:After all cook stated jester is non game ending.
Jester is the only role that actively wants to be eliminated. Jester is a threat to town if they aren't. (they actively want to be eliminated and don't want to be a threat to scum because that might get them shot. We will have to eliminate them at some point, because if they survive to XLO they will selfvote and cost town the game. Eliminating them while we're low info > eliminating them while we're high info.)
Therefore, any Jesters can claim and get eliminated and we can just move on with the game. With a phase worth of NA results to work with."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Eh. Cult is the single person who is the greatest threat to the traditional scumteams, and won't be intentionally protected by doctors of any faction. Any groupscum worth their salt will kill an obvious cult leader N1 and it's reasonably likely we have at least one RB (as a whole, not even among the town aligned players). If someone is obviously cult, we don't really need to deal with them on D1 as town because they are a bigger threat to groupscum than the townies are.In post 172, cyrus62 wrote:i thought you didnt want to vote loft. and owl dose not feel scum like to me. my idea was not so much to lead to scum but to try to understand if there is a cult or not and if so who it is. cult should always be d1 vote.
Compound that with the fact that I don't actually think Loft is a cult leader (but rather was lolcatting) and I didn't want to eliminate them first thing. Given the fact that jester isn't game ending, I'm actually okay with votes on Loft.
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As long as Jester is alive, we have a lower lim threshhold and XLO is a day earlier. We HAVE to deal with them eventually, and it's better to deal with them now when we're less likely to actually hit people with pamphlets/guns/knives (and indeed, people with pamphlets/guns/knives are more likely to hit each other).In post 181, Loftwing wrote:
Fuck off Jake. This is my game.In post 180, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Jester is scum, but Jester won't come at your face with a knife or pamphlet or a spacey gun
As far as vigging a Jester... Why? Like, sure, from town's PoV that's slightly better EV, but it assumes the existence of a vig and also is just kind of a dick move. "Oh, hey, we can spend a resource to make you a nonthreat that wins or we can spend an analogous resource to make sure you lose. Fuck you.""He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Which one of the posts looks like scum werk room speak, and what does that mean?In post 182, Mama Ru wrote:It does look like something that one would say in the scum werk room."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Why shouldn't I be?In post 175, RegRider wrote:You seem oddly calm with just handing out the win to Jester."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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The conversation isn’t about an extant jester claim, but rather that any jesters SHOULD claim because doing so guarantees their win.In post 192, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't think NM was actually claiming jester. This conversation feels pointless
@Loft: Jester has to be eliminated at some point before XLO or we simply lose in XLO because a non game ending jester in this setup has a trivial wincon. Today is the day with the lowest chance of limming scum otherwise because duh. Scum has no reason to shoot a jester claim. All of that is objectively true. Your argument is functionally: we should wait to eliminate jester until we potentially have nka and/or investigative results because maybe we’ll win without hitting XLO, in which case… we would have won the game anyway."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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You'll have to be more specific. Are you referring to the "Trying to get 3p players to claim", "Fishing for reactions to the existence of a breaking strategy", or "engaging with people to generate reads"? Cause they're all pretty separate.In post 196, Save The Dragons wrote:hmm. bingle. could be town UNVOTE: i think i know what he's doing"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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3 Maf 1 Jester 5 Town is XLO.In post 202, Loftwing wrote:
9 Town, 3 Mafia, 1 Jester.
Assume that Mafia always kill town.
When will XLO be if we don't execute the jester?
When will XLO be if we do execute the jester?
3 Maf 4 Town is also XLO.
The latter has more information, because there's been an additional night phase and the pool of suspects is smaller.
Limming a Jester claim D1 simply guarantees not mislimming a power role D1. This is not Rocket Surgery."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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We explicitly don't know this.In post 206, cyrus62 wrote:we know there is 7 something
The flavor is flavor, it's not actually game relevant.
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If Cook is providing game relevant information via flavor without having advertised that, that is explicitly bastard influence and moderator interference in the game and she's definitely in the wrong, given this is a Semi Open. Additionally, it's shitty moderator practice. If you think this is the case, I suggest you actually PM Cook to check, as her rules explicitly tell you to use PMs.In post 210, cyrus62 wrote:Cook is saying you don't have to read it as in it won't make you break any rules if you don't read it."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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It looks like I'm not going to get my desired reaction, so I'm just going to go ahead and explain the strat. My desired reaction was in fact pushback against using the strategy on the basis of it being unfun, as scum would be unlikely to want to be seen as being antitown in order to preserve the fun of the game.In post 224, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I wasnt asking to gauge whether you'd react the same way, just didn't think there was any guaranteed way to do it and was curious what you'd come up with. Doesnt sound like anything setup-breaking though, so my guess is its something similar to follow the cop which is risky to go forward with as it gets the investigative killed in the event there is no protective for them. Also in multiball any doctors should only be able to prevent one kill and it would be easy for a cop of any kind to get piled if they out as being an alignment cop without specifying which faction they can identify.
The way dice tags work, there's a static string of numbers generated that gives a permanent value to the tags. That way, if you quote the tags it gives a static response instead of rerolling the dice.
For example:
Original Roll String: 1d8(STATIC) 1 8-Sided Dice: (7) = 7
Code: Select all
[dice]1d8 0101010101[/dice]
Will always give a value of 7.
If we forced everyone to claim their alignment roll and then provide a 10 digit code that resulted in that roll, it would take any normal scum player longer to fabricate the roll than it would take a town player to hunt down the static string from their actual roll.
This would not confirm anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, and in the case of people like me who know the way the dice tags work it would be trivial to set up a fake roll ahead of time. Paraphrasing the 10 digit code in a way that didn't use cryptography would be trivial. Additionally, it would not be OGI as it's simply applying a knowledge of the way the forum works.
Angleshooty as fuck? Yes. Ethically bankrupt? Yes. But actually against the rules? No.
Of course, giving all of this information at the beginning of the process makes the strategy worse than useless, because scum would know exactly how to provide a false positive result and PMing yourself a bunch of dice rolls to make sure you have a town result to use would take almost no time at all. But I never really wanted to generate townreads this way in the first place, just see how people responded to the idea that I could.
(For proof of concept that I would not actually use a strategy like this as town (and thus, as scum looking for towncred), see the Lovers and Losers game in my topics that I caused to get rerolled when a similar oversight gave AI information and I pointed it out.)"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Considered not bringing up cyrus's pointing out that jester wasn't game ending for that reason, actually, but decided that it was unlikely to pay off.In post 226, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I thought you were intentionally dumb telling to trick scum into shooting a non-game-ending jester tbh, didn't think you actually thought jester was game-ending."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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It would most certainly be against the spirit of the rules, and that was explicit from the word go, but neither quoting nor cryptography would have been necessary.In post 230, Bingle wrote:Paraphrasing the 10 digit code in a way that didn't use cryptography would be trivial.
Regardless, it's a dead end at this point, because in explaining it I also told scum exactly how to play around it so it's a moo point regardless."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Okay. You're more than welcome to avoid playing with me in the future, it won't hurt my feelings. Also, whether I would be blacklisted by players for using a strategy I never actually intended to use is a pretty ridiculous talking point."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Also, please explain your meaning here, instead of dodging the question.In post 135, Bingle wrote:
wat?In post 133, Jake The Wolfie wrote:The scum motive to lie is to see how coordinated the town could get if prodded just right"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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I literally pointed out the game break in one of your marathon designs despite not being able to commit to playing the game in the hopes that the game would be better.
Like, 70% of my site presence is balancing and modding games. You should be 0% surprised that I would try to find breaking strategies, because I am a mechanically oriented player who is particularly good at, wait for it, breaking setups."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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"see how coordinated the town could get if prodded just right"
What does this mean and why is it proscum for it to be a known value?
Like, are you saying that scum would fake a breaking strategy in order to see if they could convince town to claim their alignment rolls? Because that seems like the epitome of useless information."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I propose we find scum by interacting with people and forming reads. You know, like in all of the mafia games.
Why do you think me and loft here is scum theater?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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So your argument was that I had theoretically been faking a breaking strategy in the hopes that it would make me an obvious town leader in a likely multiball setup where I would then be susceptible to being shot and was going to ride the cred from a breaking strategy that didn't exist and never would have appeared to endgame. I definitely believe.In post 242, Loftwing wrote:Well, if you could get the town coordinated on your side, you could be god."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Breaking strategy has already been outed and invalidated, but it did exist.In post 255, Dwlee99 wrote:Bingle, is there a mech break? Y/N?
If the question is whether we could maybe break the setup based on roles, we'd have to massclaim to find out and without getting super into numbers which frankly I don't have time for atm I don't think it's likely enough to justify doing so.
Miller types and 3rd party statuses are the only things that should be claiming short of a full massclaim, which is literally throwing the game into the air and seeing what side lands on top."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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FTFY. You know who really dislikes getting endgamed? Mafia. It’s kind of why when balancing multi ball the scum teams are treated as though they oppose each other. Cult leader has all of the potential power of a town player and the additional ability to win the game over scum’s head.In post 271, Quiet Owl wrote:In post 174, Bingle wrote: Eh. Cult is the single person who is the greatest threat to the traditional scumteams,
I have done some thinking and concluded that these are blatant lies.In post 174, Bingle wrote: If someone is obviously cult, we don't really need to deal with them on D1 as town because they are a bigger threat to groupscum than the townies are.
The cult's strength is that they have a faster “turns til endgame” clock than any other faction.
From a scum perspective, the biggest threats are, in order: Cult, other groups of scum, solo scum, town, neutral third parties. Neutral third parties, of course, balancing as a guaranteed miselimination."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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It wouldn’t. But you don’t need to confirm every towny for it to be a breaking strategy, just enough to drastically shift the balance of the game. Regardless, it won’t work for anyone now.In post 257, Dragon of the West wrote:
I don't think this would've worked for people like me that fudged their alignment roll. But I imagine I was in the minority thereIn post 230, Bingle wrote:If we forced everyone to claim their alignment roll and then provide a 10 digit code that resulted in that roll, it would take any normal scum player longer to fabricate the roll than it would take a town player to hunt down the static string from their actual roll."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Any of the above, although presumably SK wouldn’t play ball because they have no reason to.In post 258, cyrus62 wrote:
what would a 3dr party be? Would that be jester sk cult or surviver?In post 256, Bingle wrote:
Breaking strategy has already been outed and invalidated, but it did exist.In post 255, Dwlee99 wrote:Bingle, is there a mech break? Y/N?
If the question is whether we could maybe break the setup based on roles, we'd have to massclaim to find out and without getting super into numbers which frankly I don't have time for atm I don't think it's likely enough to justify doing so.
Miller types and 3rd party statuses are the only things that should be claiming short of a full massclaim, which is literally throwing the game into the air and seeing what side lands on top."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Faking a town result would be trivial. Faking a 6, specifically, would not be. Hence: my revealing the entire strategy in one post making said strategy worse than useless.In post 270, Enchant wrote:I don't think faking alignment dice is too hard, scum must be totally incompetent to unable do that, and if so, i think we should find them anyway.
Also, we should really stop saying what we used the fudge dice on because there are things to be read into from that."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Your original post was based on obviously wrong information. Cult isn’t scary to groupscum because they recruit people. Cult is scary to groupscum because they endgame groupscum faster than groupscum endgames cult.In post 277, Quiet Owl wrote:Bud. If your only defence is to re-write what I said and then respond to that imaginary post, then you're doomed. Flattered that you'd write fanfiction about me though.
Also, FTFY means fixed that for you.
Maybe, instead of shading me for “misrepresentation” that clearly wasn’t actually misrepresentation you could explain how you spent a day to arrive at the conclusion that cult leader isn’t a bigger threat to scum than individual townies.
Also, I’m just not going to bother replying to anyone else who asks questions about the strategy that explicitly said was against the spirit but not the letter of the rules and also doesn’t work any more because I invalidated it myself."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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This is roughly where I’m at."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Literally the opposite. Multi ball is hard specifically because scum can and should genuinely scumhunt which makes generating reliable townreads more difficult.In post 285, Loftwing wrote:Mafia want to stay aliveee, while also maybe scumhunting, but probably just hunting for town.
Hunting cult atp is generic scumhunting without the associative tells."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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