Newbie 2081 | Game Over

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is indeed a random Policy vote.

you're gonna

Die, scum!

but luckily I have an escape plan!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Don't worry, the less Not_Mafia ruins our town, the better :wink:

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also, if you really were worried that someone might hammer NM, you would unvote.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I want to hear what the male feline wishes to say.

We have more in common than Not_Mafia and a common jester in the 14th century.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Thank you for your insight

[Jake The Wolfie]

Mod Notes: Everything is Fine

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm still not convinced it was random

[Jake The Wolfie]

Not random.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm a hitposter, every post I make is a hit

As in it hits the fan

[Jake The Wolfie]

That's a Nice theory, so it's against the rules.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Your gifs are not relevant to the #youths

[Jake The Wolfie]

Nah, Executing Not_Mafia is always the best play, even if they are a flagbearer.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I need a diagram that goes like:

Is Not_Mafia in the game?

1. Yes
Vote out Not_Mafia

2. No

Can Not_Mafia be replaced into the game?

2.1 Yes

Replace Not_Mafia into the game, and see 1.

2.2 No

Wait until Not_Mafia can be replaced into the game, then see 2.1

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Greeting

Die, Scumb!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Nothing is happening and I am bored.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also, there has been a lot of question dodging this game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Town shouldn't be ignoring people's questions. It makes themselves look bad and the questioner good.

Pick and choose your battles carefully, dear Taco, or else you might end up like me.

Not every question that is asked is worth answering. Personally, I think that Mega asking Greeting if they should be townread didn't need an answer, other than to point out their lack of care.

[Jake The Wolfie]

My reads so far:

Town Lean

Hops - I can see the scumhunting on him.

Neutral

Most of the players.

Scum Lean

None so far. Will update info soon.

Curious. What do you think of Greeting and Mega?

[Jake The Wolfie]

There's a cow in the game do not put bina at E-1

That just seems like a great plan to outst the fool

[Jake The Wolfie]

Kennyk makes my eyes glaze over.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Everything that they wrote does not make sense to me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

There's a cow in the game do not put bina at E-1

That just seems like a great plan to outst the fool

Yeah, it's great until you have potentially up to four townies dead (if Binatog and the mad cow are town) and the game's at lylo.

I guess that's the downside of letting a jester stay - having to mind him at all times.

Outlasting Not_Mafia will always be my goal.

In any case, I've been out of this game lately, not much is going on.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Are you expecting me to do something, or do you just want me to die?

If it's the former, what?

If it's the latter, why not Not_Mafia?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Now that I've read into things more, I've narrowed my choice down to Jake and Binatog.
I'm picking Jake here because unlike Binatog there are more posts to go off of and a lot of it is fluff and short statements.

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

The one post they have that has actual merit is when they gave me advice (which was nice) but felt kind of out of character for them thus far.

Do you think I am more likely to be scum as compared to them because of my fluff posting, or is it something else?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think that Binatog's posts are unhelpful but passive while yours are more aggressive.
It's a little unfair to say that you're worse off because your posting more, but that's the reason why I'm able to generally be more confident about it.

How am I being aggressive while also being fluffy?

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you think I am scum, then who would plausibly be my partner?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think that Binatog's posts are unhelpful but passive while yours are more aggressive.
It's a little unfair to say that you're worse off because your posting more, but that's the reason why I'm able to generally be more confident about it.

How am I being aggressive while also being fluffy?

When I say they’re aggressive, I mean that in the sense that you’re still pushing for people over others unlike binatog. Unless I’ve got the definition wrong, your posts still count as fluffy to me because they are either unhelpful, don’t come across as serious, or are vague.

That doesn't really answer my question, that just explains why I can't be both Aggressive and fluffy. If I'm being Aggressive, then I have to be clear and serious, but if I'm being fluffy then I would be less clear and more silly.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you think I am scum, then who would plausibly be my partner?

That’s a question I’ll be thinking about after you flip scum. Otherwise, it just serves as a distraction.

I think it deserves its' own attention before I die. If you can't name a plausible partner for me, then you would need a strong case against me, which you appear to not be giving.

I might be individually scummy, but scum don't work independently, now do they? Scum work as a team, and that generates associative tells, which you would be able to pick up on if you're so certain that I am scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think that Binatog's posts are unhelpful but passive while yours are more aggressive.
It's a little unfair to say that you're worse off because your posting more, but that's the reason why I'm able to generally be more confident about it.

How am I being aggressive while also being fluffy?

When I say they’re aggressive, I mean that in the sense that you’re still pushing for people over others unlike binatog. Unless I’ve got the definition wrong, your posts still count as fluffy to me because they are either unhelpful, don’t come across as serious, or are vague.

That doesn't really answer my question, that just explains why I can't be both Aggressive and fluffy. If I'm being Aggressive, then I have to be clear and serious, but if I'm being fluffy then I would be less clear and more silly.

Okay it’s pretty clear that I’m not really getting my point across and that I didn’t have the right definition for fluff. Your opinions all come across as spur of the moment things. There hasn’t been much depth to anything you’ve said. Some of it gets chocked up to boredom while the rest look like jokes. You posts comments and questions referred to specific people, but they still aren’t helpful. Comparatively to Binatog, your posts are more aggressive. I’m not sure how to explain this much better, so I’ll leave it at that for now.

That seems to be a result of me posting more, and me being.. more active. Yes, I am more active than Binatog, so of course I will post more. If that comes across as Aggressive, then I don't know what to tell you other than try rioting against the less active players.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You have no faith that the newbies can rock and roll, do you?

All newbscum entails is that they don't know how to play scum on this website, not that they don't have any experience at all, my dear.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Clearly, if we target a player who has a Power Role, the obvious conclusion is to CFD onto Not_Maifa

[Jake The Wolfie]

For what it's worth, while it can be useful to look at and consider who someone's teammate could b, as this can lead to clearing someone if they just don't plausibly have a partner, I try to emphasize every game that it's not good to get too caught up in pre-flip associations and hunting for teams, especially on day 1, as that can often lead down false paths. Townies will often have incidental associations between each other that might look bad, and I've seen new players in multiple games go down rabbit holes of thinking they had a team found that led them astray. It's not a good way to scumhunt. I don't like that line of defense from Jake.

It may not be a good way to scumhunt, but so far there has been little substance to why Greeting has scumread me. I find it strange that he wouldn't give a good argument for coming out at me.
I'm not saying that Greeting has to preflip me as scum in order to read the rest of the game, but I am saying that if he won't give a strong argument to scumread me, then they should at least point to who my potential partners would be should I be scum.
Greeting hasn't really said why he scumreads me, only that he scumreads me. It's not really riveting evidence towards me being scum, just someone's opinion. If Greeting ever decides to case me, then I would have something to argue against, but for right now all I have to go off of is that they scumread me for unknown or even nonexistent reasons.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Greeting hasn't really said why he scumreads me, only that he scumreads me. It's not really riveting evidence towards me being scum, just someone's opinion. If Greeting ever decides to case me, then I would have something to argue against, but for right now all I have to go off of is that they scumread me for unknown or even nonexistent reasons.

Do you think Greeting is scum pushing you as an elimination, then?

I don't think that Greeting is necessarily scum here, but I would need to see more from him before I decided.

[Jake The Wolfie]

We should probably start consolidating votes soon. Day ends in around 2 and a half days.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Greeting, please lay out your case for why you think I am scum for everyone here.
I have a small feeling that you don't have one, but I also want to give you the benefit of the doubt in case you simply haven't had the time to make one yet because you weren't directed to give your case.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why do you think that Kenny supported my wagon, Greeting?

[Jake The Wolfie]

They, themselves said, in 211 that since the wagon was slowly picking up, they didn’t want to be in the front row.

Because, as they said, it was an RVS vote, which gives them total legitimacy to remove their vote.

Them removing their RVS vote also leads to the idea that they in fact did not support my wagon, otherwise they would have.. well, not removed their vote.

[Jake The Wolfie]

They, themselves said, in 211 that since the wagon was slowly picking up, they didn’t want to be in the front row.

Because, as they said, it was an RVS vote, which gives them total legitimacy to remove their vote.
Them removing their RVS vote also leads to the idea that they in fact did not support my wagon, otherwise they would have.. well, not removed their vote.

Like I said before, my issue with that is not that they disagreed on voting you out but the fact that they did not pick an alternative.

I don't see a problem with them not choosing an alternative. Unvoting isn't some sort of forbidden idea, it's something that we employ when we don't know who to vote. I feel like you're trying to scald Kenny for not sharing all of his thoughts about the game in one post, which seems a little unreasonable given that he wasn't prompted to do so.

[Jake The Wolfie]

So the lines are drawn, Greeting vs Jake.

I will fight vigorously to be killed at night rather than during the day.

(CFD, or Chinese Fire Drill, refers to the rapid changing of a wagon from one player to another, usually near the end of the day. This is the Mafia usage of the word, of course.)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also, could you give a case for why you are scumreading me, or at least who else is in your PoE (Process of Elimination)?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also, could you give a case for why you are scumreading me, or at least who else is in your PoE (Process of Elimination)?

I was pretty on the fence over limming Jake, since there are a few more people who I don't have enough information on to even mark as leaning town, including kennyk, Binatog, and N_M, but Jake haven't really been giving a good case for a nolim or to have someone else be higher on the lim. Something which feels to me like a scummy reaction trying to have their came and eat it with both hopefully not getting limmed but also not screwing over their partner with any association when they flip.

I.. am not advocating for a no lim? Like, that's pretty opposite to what I'm doing here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

There, now was that so hard?

The first part of the story has been disclosed by me in 188, including why I suspect four players: Jake The Wolfie, kennyk, Binatog19 and Not_Mafia.

Of those four I decided to vote out Jake The Wolfie for the following reasons.

All of his posts up until the first time I was put at E-2 (post 102) - and later at E-1 were fluffy and lacked content. They gave the impression of the type of player that likes to incite drama and then sit at the backseat and watch it unfold. I actually agree with DaTacoX's description of this in post 192. It is possible to be both fluffy and aggressive and that is the impression I also gathered from Jake's posts.

His further posts weren't a lot better. In 178 they voiced a suspicion over kennyk without taking

any

sort of action. The rest of his posts seem to have this kind of teacher attitude, which is actually trying to steer people to say what they want them to say. I see this as a possible elaborate plan to generate content that will clear his name.

Jake never explained why they decided to vote me out, and as evidenced in that post, we know that it wasn't an RVS. In post 234 they even said that they don't think I'm necessarily scum but decides to vote me out anyway. Even if my death was to be useful for town by providing information, it was never specified what kind of information would that be. While I agree that it's better to vote out someone than not elim Day One (although there are cases in which noelim is better), I'm not going to hammer myself for a simple reason - I'm town and don't see any benefits to allowing my elimination to happen.

I think that voting out Jake is worth a shot, although he's not the only bandwagon that I'd support.

Kennyk is a possible scum partner to Jake. Post 178 could be an attempt for them to distance themselves from one another.

Let us go through this.
First of all, I wasn't trying to incite drama. That vote was to pressurize you, because at the time I didn't have a firm grasp on the game. In response, nothing much happened. in fact, I've been trying to spark a discussion because that is how the game advances, Greeting.
Next, I've already contested how you can't be both Aggressive and fluffy, but that is a moot point.

While you could take 178 at me casting suspicion against Kenny, it can (and also was intended) be interpreted as me not understanding what Kenny was saying. Not understanding what someone is saying doesn't mean that you are suspicious of them.

Yes, I didn't explain why I voted you, but that is partially because saying "don't worry, I don't actually want to kill you" makes building pressure harder. That was my mistake.

I think that Greeting can live another day here, but now I need to find a new bandwagon to hops on.
UNVOTE: Greeting

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yes, I didn't explain why I voted you, but that is partially because saying "don't worry, I don't actually want to kill you" makes building pressure harder. That was my mistake.

I think that Greeting can live another day here, but now I need to find a new bandwagon to hops on.
UNVOTE: Greeting

Yeah, I'm not sure I'm buying this. Post 275 happened more than 12 hours ago. For 12 hours I was in immediate danger of getting hammered and you were okay with that. If what you're saying is true, that is an extremely risky way of building pressure and I believe that you were at least okay with voting me out.

That's fine. You can believe that if you want to.

I'm more worried about Not_Mafia over here jumping ship as soon as he suspects your wagon isn't viable.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Imagine getting an answer from Greeting smdh

[Jake The Wolfie]

Imagine getting an answer from Greeting smdh

After reconsideration, I would like to apologize to Greeting for this uncalled for comment.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Sorry, what does BPIC and CFD stand for?

BPIC-> Bulletproof Innocent Child, a player who is confirmed town that cannot be nightkilled for whatever reason

Is there such a role in newbie games? If not, why are we talking about this?

There isn't (yet), but it might also refer to a player known to be town who cannot be nightkilled (such as via a doctor's protection)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also, could you give a case for why you are scumreading me, or at least who else is in your PoE (Process of Elimination)?

I was pretty on the fence over limming Jake, since there are a few more people who I don't have enough information on to even mark as leaning town, including kennyk, Binatog, and N_M, but Jake haven't really been giving a good case for a nolim or to have someone else be higher on the lim. Something which feels to me like a scummy reaction trying to have their came and eat it with both hopefully not getting limmed but also not screwing over their partner with any association when they flip.

I.. am not advocating for a no lim? Like, that's pretty opposite to what I'm doing here.

You say that, yet you haven't voted on anyone.

#1: I have voted on players. I am not currently voting anyone, which ties in with
#2: Not voting does not mean you are advocating for a no exe. It means you haven't decided on a player to exe yet.

As the current wagons are Me and Player who I don't think needs to die today, I would like you to make an educated guess as to which wagon I would eagerly jump on. I'm mainly waiting for another wagon to sprout up first.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I feel like Not_Mafia has been more distamced from this game than others I've played with him. He seems to be trying to blend in to the silence, I guess.

You wanna help wagon him?

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Not just because I think it would be memey to elim Not_Mafia Day 1, but because it feels a lot like Not_Mafia had been following me arou d, and trying to buddy up with me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Not_Mafia is currently at E-2, and we have less than 24 hours to execute someone. If Hops were to switch on to Not_Mafia, then Greeting would hammer. We have the votes to kill Not_Mafia, we just need the willpower.

[Jake The Wolfie]

My goal has been fulfilled, and I will now replace out of the game in a victory. Ahaha, I have won.

/s

[Jake The Wolfie]

To Outlast Not_Mafia.

In all seriousness though, I did find Not_Mafia's actions weird and unnatural, like they wanted to make their death draw some partner lines with me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

It probably would have been better if you announced your intent to hammer first, Greeting.

[Jake The Wolfie]

We CFD's that fool over the moon and back.

[Jake The Wolfie]

(CFD, or Chinese Fire Drill, refers to the rapid changing of a wagon from one player to another, usually near the end of the day. This is the Mafia usage of the word, of course.)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Prediction: If Not_Mafia is scum, the mafia has no Power Roles

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hello, everyone!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Am I the wolf that Wall St is talking about?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yeah, it would be 4 to axe here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Roles don't typically get feedback when they act, unless they are investigative. So if you're a roleblocker, you won't know whether or not you succeeded in roleblocking someone or not. Obviously if you were a doctor and you protect someone who dies then that's cause for concern, but if they don't die then you won't be sure if they were attacked, or if you were stopped in some way, or if they simply weren't attacked.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Binatog13 haveth died

[Jake The Wolfie]

..FUCK

Well Mehga, looks like ourr goose has thoroughly been cooked. What do we do now? After Not_Mafia's death, I felt energetic, but now I feel worried.

Looks into camera

Wait, is thing on?

...

Oh fu-

[Jake The Wolfie]

The host has been turned into Tost

[Jake The Wolfie]

Rule #1 of playing with Not_Mafia: Policy Keeeeeeel