Newbie 2081 | Game Over

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Greeting

As either alignment I'm usually on the quiet side. I'd say my experience level is on the newer side to this site, but I have been playing mafia-type games for a long time
I honestly don't know how to describe my scum game, because it goes drastically different on different site, and I have has ~4 scum games on this site and 3 of them were concurrent and I had to replace out for IRL reasons.

[MegAzumarill]

The game started 2 hours ago

[MegAzumarill]

I mean you are trying to figure what someone is because...... they haven't seen anything about the game yet.

They obviously haven't received the role PM yet so why would anything they do before then pertain to their role?

[MegAzumarill]

Page two hammer is tempting

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I mean yeah but that's the lazy way to go about it

[MegAzumarill]

Obviously we want greeting at e-1 instead of NM

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Obvs greeting is scum
You should wagon me <3

[MegAzumarill]

Wagon either <3

Greeting preferred because I'm town.

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Not really, started for no reason and we have no reason to linger on it.

About as uninteresting as you can get imo

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(Referring to n_m wagon)

[MegAzumarill]

I missed this.

Not_Mafia was literally put on E-1 for a while. They're still at E-2. This bandwagon built up way too fast, I don't like this.

I can very much agree with you on this. Too bad no one quickhammered though.

I mean this is pretty obviously bad for town to lim people for nothing.
The fact they felt they needed to bring it up feels a little LAMIST to me.

[MegAzumarill]

My point is about greeting's reaction.

[MegAzumarill]

I'll work on it if noone beats me to it.

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What "contributions" do you think the SE players should be doing?

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Greeting, do you think you should be townread right now?
Why or why not?

[MegAzumarill]

Starting wagons for essentially no reason at all is very common early day 1.

That said Greeting is legitimately giving off scum vibes to me.

[MegAzumarill]

I already mentioned the comment about the N_M wagon feeling LAMIST.
They then ignored my next question to them about what they think the SEs should be doing if not what is happening now, which feels contrary to their stated interest of generating content for the game.

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Greeting - I'm not really sold on people thinking he's scumlean, if anyone actually thought so. Seems to me that he was placed on E-1 just to elicit a reaction, which had happened.

While this is true, the problem I have with Greeting is also that I think their reaction was scummy as well.

[MegAzumarill]

Page two hammer is tempting

I hope this is a joke. Otherwise, how is page 2 hammer so tempting? This doesn't give info at all and gives Mafia an advantage.

Obvious joke is obvious

Greeting, do you think you should be townread right now?
Why or why not?

I think this is a scumlean hunting for PRs, but idk for now. Asking someone to be townread early in the game is suspicious for me.

If I was scum how does this help me find a PR

[MegAzumarill]

Greeting, do you think you should be townread right now?
Why or why not?

I think this is a scumlean hunting for PRs, but idk for now. Asking someone to be townread early in the game is suspicious for me.

I can agree that asking such a question Day One is... odd to say the least.

Its a weird attitude for you to have.
Your posts come off like you expect to be townreads at a base. If you want to be townread start acting townie.

If you think I am scum give a case. You aren't following through with anything.

You refer to me as less investigative, but you still haven't answered my question to you.
What do you expect the SE's to be doing in this game that they are/were not?

[MegAzumarill]

Greeting, do you think you should be townread right now?
Why or why not?

I think this is a scumlean hunting for PRs, but idk for now. Asking someone to be townread early in the game is suspicious for me.

I can agree that asking such a question Day One is... odd to say the least.

Its a weird attitude for you to have.
Your posts come off like you expect to be townreads at a base. If you want to be townread start acting townie.

If you think I am scum give a case. You aren't following through with anything.

You refer to me as less investigative, but you still haven't answered my question to you.
What do you expect the SE's to be doing in this game that they are/were not?

If you are scum, then there’s virtually no point in me convincing you about anything. Unless you’re just going to think „damn, he’s good” and give up Day One, which I don’t really think has any chance of happening in any game.

Share with the class anyway.
At this point you have given no reason for me to believe your reads are genuine.

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Your reason doesn't make sense though.

Of all the SEs Id say I am providing the most or second most content.
Unless you think the content I am providing is scummy, in which case you have not given a reason for it.

[MegAzumarill]

LAMIST - "look at me I'm so town"

Refers to a player pointing out how townie they are, or drawing attention to townie actions they take unprompted.
Generally considered a scumtell. Hence the push from you essentially saying hey I don't like this wagon obviosuly started for no reason.

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We never no elim.

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We can if a jailkeeper or something blocks a kill. MAYBE but on odd numbers we should never no elim

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I missed this.

Not_Mafia was literally put on E-1 for a while. They're still at E-2. This bandwagon built up way too fast, I don't like this.

The problem I have with this post is that it accomplishes nothing besides trying to make yourself look good.

You didn't suggest an alternative, try to gather information about the wagoners or wagonee. You just pretty dryly and pointlessly just say something obviously true.

[MegAzumarill]

Yes that point is correct pretty objectively

Hence why just saying it with no effort to actually stop it or help out town with it is pointless

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I'll be honest, Meg vs Greeting continues to look like a typical day 1 argument, someone jumps on something minor and pushes hard, the person being attacked pushes back, this is good in terms of generating some form of content but I struggle to even maintain any interest in reading it, let alone coming away with a strong opinion. I realize this is close to reiterating what I said earlier but as it's the main thing going on I feel obligated to comment, even when I really have nothing to say. I might try reading more closely later but as it is I continue to have not much interest in voting for either player.

I agree that not much more content is happening with me/greeting.

VOTE: binatog

[MegAzumarill]

Do NOT

[MegAzumarill]

There's a cow in the game do not put bina at E-1

[MegAzumarill]

Jake mind giving your thoughts on other slots?

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I think that Binatog's posts are unhelpful but passive while yours are more aggressive.
It's a little unfair to say that you're worse off because your posting more, but that's the reason why I'm able to generally be more confident about it.

How am I being aggressive while also being fluffy?

When I say they’re aggressive, I mean that in the sense that you’re still pushing for people over others unlike binatog. Unless I’ve got the definition wrong, your posts still count as fluffy to me because they are either unhelpful, don’t come across as serious, or are vague.

Aggressiveness is not AI.
If anything its more townie than not

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If you think I am scum, then who would plausibly be my partner?

That’s a question I’ll be thinking about after you flip scum. Otherwise, it just serves as a distraction.

That's kind of an important thing to consider.

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If you think I am scum, then who would plausibly be my partner?

That’s a question I’ll be thinking about after you flip scum. Otherwise, it just serves as a distraction.

That's kind of an important thing to consider.

I vaguely remember being told in my last game that that wasn’t too important? At least on day 1

This could be totally wrong don’t take me too seriously please o-o

It's not the end all be all of scumhunting, but it is nice to have it in mind when pushing someone.
Even if you don't have anyone in mind its important to look at how people react to a push as potential partners.

[MegAzumarill]

Mafia wins if no scum are eliminated and 4 players remain
No lim + Nk = 8 players -> mislim + nk-> 6 players -> mislim + NK = loss (2 mislims)
Lim + NK = 7 players-> mislim + Nk-> 5 players -> mislim = loss (3 mislims)

No limming actually takes away one elimination we have this game
Hence why it is objectively worse than eliminating someone

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It's still a better outcome than losing tempo by no elimination

Also there's always the chance that a protective exists and can protect said PR. We lose the PR's abilities but gain a BPIC in that case. (If we have doctor scum will rb the cop, and if we have jk it roleblocks the PR as well.)

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Clearly, if we target a player who has a Power Role, the obvious conclusion is to CFD onto Not_Maifa

This is a completely fair assessment.

If we run someone up as a PR with no CC, we still eliminate someone, just not that person

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Binatog and Greeting lims I would like

Don't want a hops lim

rest is fine, but would prefer one of the top 2

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You are implying they should try to vote out someone they don't eant to???

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You are implying they should try to vote out someone they don't eant to???

I am implying that on Day One it's better to vote someone out rather than no one. A no elim vote towards the end of Day One is kind of washing your hands off any potential decisions.

Unvote =/= no elim vote

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I'm getting more suspicious of kennyk right now. I think that attempting to avoid any responsibility for a miselim is a scummy thing to do.

If Binatog is put at E-1 and the options are either hammer them, noelim or hammer someone who isn't Jake, N_M or kennyk, I will hammer.

Greeting, please lay out your case for why you think I am scum for everyone here.
I have a small feeling that you don't have one, but I also want to give you the benefit of the doubt in case you simply haven't had the time to make one yet because you weren't directed to give your case.

Quoting you to confirm that I've seen your post and I will summarise my suspicions tomorrow.

What makes you think kennyk ever supported the jake wagon?
You seem to be saying the jake wagon is a mislim yet you still push them?

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Answer the part about kenny too <

I'm saying I think you TMI'd about jake's alignment
VOTE: Greeting

[MegAzumarill]

Who r u talking about?

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You refusing to answer questions is not a good look for you
Its also not helpful for town if you are town

[MegAzumarill]

Ok but thats the part you seem keen on answering

You are ignoring my questions on YOUR reads.

Overall you haven't really given any reasoning as to why you have the reads the way that you have them, in spite of being asked to give your case multiple times.

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Why do you think that Kenny supported my wagon, Greeting?

They, themselves said, in 211 that since the wagon was slowly picking up, they didn’t want to be in the front row.

In many games the scums can on each other in order to distance themselves from one another and to confuse town when players look back at the voting history.

But there’s also a possibility that you’re town and staying on it would incriminate them.

Anyway, I really didn’t like the fact that they refused to pick anyone else or even consider picking someone whom they find even slightly suspicious.

You literally quoted the post where they said they didnt agree with your scumread?

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Ok but thats the part you seem keen on answering

You are ignoring my questions on YOUR reads.

Overall you haven't really given any reasoning as to why you have the reads the way that you have them, in spite of being asked to give your case multiple times.

That’s intriguing because I feel like I’ve spent 70% of my energy in this game on dealing with your doubts and nothing really came out of it.

So why to you choose only answer questions about my doubts rather than your reads?

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Ok but thats the part you seem keen on answering

You are ignoring my questions on YOUR reads.

Overall you haven't really given any reasoning as to why you have the reads the way that you have them, in spite of being asked to give your case multiple times.

That’s intriguing because I feel like I’ve spent 70% of my energy in this game on dealing with your doubts and nothing really came out of it.

So why to you choose only answer questions about my doubts rather than your reads?

Not every question is worth answering. Like promised, I’ll expand on Jake later.

But the ones you say are not worth answering are the ones you do answer?

You keep dancing around the point without addressing it

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They, themselves said, in 211 that since the wagon was slowly picking up, they didn’t want to be in the front row.

Because, as they said, it was an RVS vote, which gives them total legitimacy to remove their vote.

Them removing their RVS vote also leads to the idea that they in fact did not support my wagon, otherwise they would have.. well, not removed their vote.

In that post it also says they disagree with greeting's read

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Sorry, what does BPIC and CFD stand for?

BPIC-> Bulletproof Innocent Child, a player who is confirmed town that cannot be nightkilled for whatever reason

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Kind of annoyed I didn't get an answer

I know it sucks doesn't it?

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If this flips TPR I say we lim Greeting

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If i die tonight I'd like to say that I think kenny is town.

If this flips scum jake is basically conf!town, and greeting is probably okay

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Well, I was JK, it's still Greeting/catboi

Well I'll keep your solve in mind.
Anything else to add?

[MegAzumarill]

If this flips TPR I say we lim Greeting

While I know you've been hunting for me since the very beginning of this game, this makes no sense. It's impossible for me to know if Not_Mafia has any kind of power role or not on Day One.

The only real possibility would be if I were a mafia goon and they had a mafia power role, but why would I suspect and hammer them then?

Hammering without asking for a claim

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Well that was better than expected

[MegAzumarill]

Greeting hammered mafia
Ergo greeting must be town, sadly.

[V[ Taco [/V]

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Taco

[MegAzumarill]

If anyone receives a FN message say so, but don't say from who.

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I like Kenny's posts" though few in number.
I prefer the opposite order to greeting

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Since y'all Einsteins decided to put me at E-1, I might as well share my thoughts before some opportunist decides to seal the deal.

More townlean than scumlean:

hops

This would be the last person for me to vote out at this very moment. They sound like genuine vanilla town newbie. The tone of their posts seems like they actually want to solve this game in town's favour and that's good enough for the time being.

Neutral:

Binatog13
DaTacoX
kennyk
Not_Mafia

These folks have a higher chance of being scum, but don't seem to give me anything to suspect them (yet). DaTaco is the most neutral of them all, Binatog being a close second. I know kennyk from a different game and their playstyle so far matches that of the other game. Not_Mafia is just a shitposter and there's nothing more to it.

More on the err side:

Jake The Wolfie
catboi
MegAzumarill

For semi-experienced players they've contributed surprisingly little to this game. I know it's still Day One, but in the last game I've played the SEs were on a much higher level. My vote is currently on MegAzumarill, but I'm down to vote out either one of those three.

That's what I gathered from what was posted so far.

Why does my playstyle match that of the other game? I didn't post any wild theories (yet). OK, maybe that is because there wasn't much to wave theories around. Although hops tried to step in my footsteps with her Wolfie theory.

This feels townie AF

[MegAzumarill]

I think we eat the taco
Very tasty

[MegAzumarill]

To the Tracker- whoever you checked if they didn't visit catboi they are confirmed town

[MegAzumarill]

In b4 no tracker

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Hello mr wolf

[MegAzumarill]

The audacity of MegAzumarill telling potential power roles what to do when they themselves are on the chopping block for bad reads

Much audacity for clarifying info to our tracker.

[MegAzumarill]

FN is confirmed town if they claim their role at all. (Evil has to claim VT or lose)
We don't need to know their name yet, gives scum more info to name their kill.

[MegAzumarill]

Does anyone have a reason we shouldn't eat the Taco?

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If i am wrong you can lim me tomorrow for having bad reads.

[MegAzumarill]

Alright but I don't find you reasons for voting kenny all that reasonable. Their day 1 was pretty townie.

If you don't think the Taco is scum for a specific reason say so, and if not you should sheep me.

[MegAzumarill]

Stop the Presses!

I have realized a crucial detail. Especially since noone claims FN messages last night.

If there is a Doctor. Claim now. I assure you it is neccesary.
If there is not we continue as normal.

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Please know I would never ask this of a PR unless it is objectively better to do so.

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This strategy would involve my death so if I am lying scum town still wins.

[MegAzumarill]

If I am town I would not lie that this is better than staying hidden.

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Nope, but I assure you it is life or death

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Basically if doctor claims we have a >95% chance of winning the game, but we don't lose a lot if it falls in the 5%.

[MegAzumarill]

Sure, why not? I'm the doctor, so we have a tracker/doctor setup. If this doesn't work out the scum still has to choose between NKing me or finding the tracker before they're caught.

Alright, I'm tracker.

Greeting is VT (didn't visit)

We have a mechanical autowin if I am protected tonight (i can clear one of the unconfirmed VTs/get a guilty) we can eliminate all three other players

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We can eliminate all non mechanically clear players.


If scum wants to claim a PR to go down in style you can now or just lose later

[MegAzumarill]

Yeah, game's over.
A little bittersweet
I just legitimately townread you

[MegAzumarill]

Hammer taco because we cannot lose if hops heals me tonight

[MegAzumarill]

Hammering a scum is an easy way to gain towncred if your partner is going down and the counterwagon (if any) is unviable
VOTE: bina we can hammer this if you prefer

[MegAzumarill]

Epic joke

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VOTE: Taco

Taco visited hops

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Ggwp all

[MegAzumarill]

Like the old saying goes
When in doubt
Vote whoever I tell you out.

[MegAzumarill]

After d1 it was a guarenteed town win

A little unfortunate

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To be fair, he could have not killed, like Mafia did in Newbie 2079. Then, he could kill hops the Night after. It could have bought him time.

This does not help except to prolong the inevitable

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If Taco claimed tracker I cc and we clear 5 people simultaneously.