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[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Galron

[Lady Lambdadelta]

A pickle walked into a bar, the bartender says "hey whats the dill, pickle?

Haha.

VOTE: Icebox

Vote: Whemestar

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Bowser Jr.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The following players have made me feel good about them at some point in this game: {Pavowski, Lukewarm, marci/Gamma, Bell/GIF, GuiltyLion, Skybird}

I am proud of each and every one of you for your achievements.

Hey Bell or marci you wanna chat? I have nothing in mind but I would like you both to say things to me that will get me more engaged <------- This is an open invitation to anyone itg that happens to be around!

~Spiffy

Vote: Bowser Jr.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, DV, etc. let me help you out:

if it helps just write us off as Town and never question it and we'll be in good shape? We are undisputedly Town so as long as you're Town too there's absolutely no risk for you whatsoever

Given the resurfacing of the above post I will give you both 48 hours to find another place for your votes.

Thank you for your consideration swift action in this matter.

PEdit: Dunnstral this now applies to you as well.

~Spiffy

Unvote

...

Vote: Bowser Jr.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Galron

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Galron

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD hasn't made a post of substance yet. It's all been naked votes. If she's got a case to be made, she'll make it surely.

Cases are scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD hasn't made a post of substance yet. It's all been naked votes. If she's got a case to be made, she'll make it surely.

Vote: Galron

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Juliet

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Whemestar

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Off the Hook

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lld are you townreading juliet?

eh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Juliet

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Am I gonna have to talk today? I really don't wanna talk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But I need to try and win.

But I don't wanna speaakkkkkkkkkkk

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote:Dunnstral

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There are a few angles I'd like to cover this DP.

LLD, wanna chat a little?

-Bell

sureeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There are a few angles I'd like to cover this DP.

LLD, wanna chat a little?

-Bell

sureeeeeeeeeeeeee

Do you think DV played from an informed perspective on JC?
I can never tell.

*Points and laughs at Wis*

-Bell

wat

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why are we killing this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've been voting Galron since day 1, I saw the guilty, I'm just wondering how that changed people's minds so quickly without a claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Its not even a guilty
Def a buddy or two in those easy votes if hes scum

I'm on the same vibe with you. It's a little MORE than not a guilty, but less than a guilty. Hitting 2 targets in one night is not possible for almost all roles, and Ffery is the type who has multitasking cooked in for all scum roles.

So it's completely possible Galron is a scum robber+performed the kill. However, he could be something else. Low percentage, compared to the evidence, but since no one appears to want to wait for the evidence, it's a little confusing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Galron can you full claim your role? You just made 2 posts that don't make a lick of sense, I want a full claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In fact, if JC is town, and I don't know why anyone would think that, I'm more wgged out.

Ah good, you're around.

10 minutes. Full claim role and abilities, or die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want you to be very clear with me, okay?

Explain the EXACT fuctioning of your role.

Like, for example, a Gunsmith would be explained like this

At night, I target one (1) player and learn if they have a gun. A gun can be found on any of the following roles: Mafia, Cop, Vigilante, Gunsmith...(continue listing until complete). My results from the past nights have been X Y and Z. I have no other abilities.

Please go ahead.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to see how you explain it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I believe the claim

I don't. The claimed targets, the lack of understanding the role, the lack of the word "parity cop" anywhere in his explanation and the general method of claim by pieces is...

It reads like someone else wrote the fake claim for them, as one of the only ways to cover the tracked action.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Additionally, full tracker, loverizer, parity cop, friendly neighbour, and some other shit is just too much imo.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think it's correct to kill them here either way. It's worth getting another result or seeing scum shoot them for us.

I think I would rather kill Dunnstral

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Same.

Not sure I agree with your logic but I think it's worth making the mafia pick for us, at least for the moment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually, I'd like to just kill Cephrir.

Wisdom, thoughts?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also why does Galron use this role on

1. Skybird, who is very unlikely to die
2. Whemestar, who claimed FN and was going to confirm himself to someone at night anyway making him a waste to try and clear

Both pretty bad picks for this hypothetical role imo

~Spiffy

I could kinda see the logic in picking the closest-to-confirmed confirmed town player (Wheme) as a check on a player you suspect (Skybird), but that doesn't line up with the explanation he just gave

you're right though, we should just kill this

I agree with the logic of why it was a bad choice, but not the end resolution you came to.

It makes no sense to kill this. We have to hunt elsewhere no matter what. If Galron is scum, their ability is to steal money. I'm not too concerned about that, as an ability.

I think it's worth using this time to hunt elsewhere and play the odds about parity cop instead of just killing them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, shrug. I don't believe the claim but I've seen worse claims be true.

It's mechanically correct and correct from a game theory perspective to leave them and hunt elsewhere here but I'm honestly not up for trying to argue that with this town. I've already talked too much for my liking.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, Bell, did you say something about boxes?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I did.
I opened one and got nada.

-Bell

Were there 3?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

gold silver and lead, perhaps?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There were 3.
They were not gold, silver and lead.
they were different types of wood, ironsand, rosewood, camp something.
I picked rosewood.

-Bell

Hmm.

That sounds like Portia's test from Merchant of Venice.

But the boxes are not the normal boxes. Maybe because it'd be too easy to guess?

Sounds like you guessed wrong? IDK. Maybe something happens when you guess wrong. There was a punishment in the story.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Man, I dunno.

I voted OTH and Galron yesterday and my opinions haven't changed, but killing in that subset doesn't teach me new things more than "well Galron's grouping is the scum grouping"

and people saying that any of

OTH
Ceph
Dunn

are "pretty town" or "obviously town" are being disingenuous for the sake of dramatic effect to sell their case.

And that's just not really working.

We should kill one of those 3 names today. Killing Galron is mechanically wrong. I'll kill any of those 3.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh yeah, yep. I definitely failed that test.
They were even called caskets.
Woops.

-Bell

Is it possible failing this "test" is what loverized you with Galron?

Sorry if someone already asked this. It just stuck out on my re-read.

This would be incredibly backwards. Portia's test was to find her true love, and she could only marry someone who passed it.

Infact, if someone failed, they were meant to be stripped of all wealth and titles and disallowed from ever marrying anyone else again. That was the deal of the 3 box test and trying to marry Portia.

So failing it would be the furthest thing from loverization, I would think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think cephrirs post conveys he doesn’t give a fuck this game, a typically town-Cephrir trait. He sounds nothing like bloodstained.

Of the three, he’s the only one I’m against for reasons that aren’t “there’s a person tracked to TWO people who have had malicious actions against them”

Look I don't get why you're arguing against the mechanically correct play. Galron is probably scum but there's just no reason to kill him here. There's a 10% chance he's town, and even if he is scum, his power would have to be Money Steal. He's getting tracked again, and we'll see what happens. It's worth letting it go to night.

As for Cephrir, Ceph hates scum. Ceph is much more engaged with town games than scum games. and the games where Ceph doesn't give a fuck as town are followed by a tone of incredible frustration, which was lacking here.

This is "not having fun" Ceph. Not "I'm frustrated" Ceph. It feels way more like scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Titus, you are pretty good with mechanics iirc. Is letting Halron live the best play here?

Brainsssssss.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Titus, please vote for Galron. If you fail to do so by the end of the Day phase, I will consider it a scum claim.

~Spiffy

~Spiffy

This is the most empty threat I've ever seen.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I will continue to only complain about Galron being alive until he is limmed. Notty might be a better sport than me but I refuse to consider or engage in anything else until he is gone.

The fact that so many players are jumping through hoops to justify keeping a 95% guilty player alive is embarrassing and reminds me why I don’t play mafia anymore.

~Spiffy

You know what Spiffeh? I'm tired of being talked down to by people.

I am a better mafia player than you point blank and I am advocating for this half measure plan. Because it's optimally correct and forces scum into the most interesting positions.

Because it forces people to take stances pro/con galron instead of it being a clean sweep

because it means we get to find scum interactions that aren't just hopeless bussing and death, if Galron is scum. And if he's town, we get utility.

There is NO GOOD REASON to be against the play that WISDOM and I BOTH AGREE ON.

That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.

If you're tired of people playing optimally and looking for cool angles, I don't know what to tell you, but don't pretend this is some kind of "people are playing mafia poorly."

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I will continue to only complain about Galron being alive until he is limmed. Notty might be a better sport than me but I refuse to consider or engage in anything else until he is gone.

The fact that so many players are jumping through hoops to justify keeping a 95% guilty player alive is embarrassing and reminds me why I don’t play mafia anymore.

~Spiffy

You know what Spiffeh? I'm tired of being talked down to by people.

I am a better mafia player than you point blank and I am advocating for this half measure plan. Because it's optimally correct and forces scum into the most interesting positions.

Because it forces people to take stances pro/con galron instead of it being a clean sweep

because it means we get to find scum interactions that aren't just hopeless bussing and death, if Galron is scum. And if he's town, we get utility.

There is NO GOOD REASON to be against the play that WISDOM and I BOTH AGREE ON.

That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.

If you're tired of people playing optimally and looking for cool angles, I don't know what to tell you, but don't pretend this is some kind of "people are playing mafia poorly."

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, please vote for Galron. If you fail to do so by the end of the Day phase, I will consider it a scum claim.

PEdit: @marci I am 95% sure Galron is scum based on all of the information provided today. I am not even close to like 50% sure about anyone else. Limming Galron here is a no brainer and the fact that getting votes on him is like pulling teeth is incredibly concerning and frustrating.

~Spiffy

Scumread me then motherfucker.

You're playing bully with ME. I fucking try to avoid this shit now a days, but let me remind you that I have NOT FUCKIGN FORGOTTEN HOW TO PLAY THREAD BULLY.

So calm the fuck down and talk to me, and treat me with some respect or we can see this game get really unfun really quick.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because if there is one thing that is true about me? It's that I do not back down when people do this shit. It's a flaw of mine. I'm aware of it. I don't like it about myself.

But I am not the one, so do not try me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you wanna talk about why I'm doing this, Spiffeh, go right ahead.

But you cannot lead a Galron death overtop of me this way. It literally won't happen. If you want a Galron death, you're gonna need to talk with me and get me to relent on my position.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Notsci thinks I'm scum, he and Spiffy are moving into my scum pile along with Pav and Dunn.

Okay, if you don't want to die I'm going to need you to stop making really bad posts like this.

Cause another post like this and I'll just kill you myself and be damned the optimal play. Bowser Jr. is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, Galron you need to understand something.

You're alive basically at my mercy right now. That means the moment you stop being useful, I'm murdering you.

Right now, you have role utility but also you have vote utility.

The minute you start making bad reads and suggesting you're gonna try and kill townies, you lose half your potential utility. Even if you're town and wrong, the needle starts to push too far past "is this worth it" when you do that.

So that's like, your warning.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bowser is making a really bad call here. Why should I relent even under threat?

Because making bad calls, looking suspicious or trying to kill someone are not scum indicators all the time.

And if they were, you'd be dead right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD the bottom line is that Galron is a sure thing as far as I'm concerned and I would match rather lim the sure thing now than later? From the scumteam perspective Galron is already a dead man walking and I don't believe we'll get any worthwhile reactions from them if we keep him alive.

Limming him now means he isn't given another chance to steal from anyone and stifling Town power. Limming him now means scum is forced to perform the kill with someone else giving GL a shot at tracking another team member to the nightkill. If he somehow flips Town here, we at the very least have a fullclear on Skybird. All of these things I find far more advantageous than any potential decisions or manufactured reactions scum will make about a player who's basically already caught.

~Spiffy

He's not a sure thing from my POV though. The claim was hyper botched, I don't believe it, but it has all the markings of flailing newbie town in certain areas.

I feel like if Galron is town and we do this, we are in a terrible position. We learned nothing from JC and nothing from Galron, and we're down all our retaliatory night power.

Where as if we begin to take shots elsewhere and leave Galron one night, we open up other odds and learn more, and even if we're wrong and it is just Galron we don't lose much.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The problem LLD is that you acknowledge Galron is probably town but still want to eliminate me when I'm negative association with Galron. So you're playing for the 10% and not the 90%, and you don't seem to have a reason to be doing that or to think it's me.

I think Gamma's meta point backfired and he is arguing against himself.

Did you mean "probably scum"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD can you explain why you've settled on OTH, Ceph, and Dunn as the names you'd lim today?

PEdit: I'd argue that the fact that the Galron vote has been so contested means we learn a lot regardless of his flip

~Spiffy

Honestly because

OTH/Galron/???

and

Ceph/Dunn/??? are my like, scum concepts rn.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The problem LLD is that you acknowledge Galron is probably town but still want to eliminate me when I'm negative association with Galron. So you're playing for the 10% and not the 90%, and you don't seem to have a reason to be doing that or to think it's me.

I think Gamma's meta point backfired and he is arguing against himself.

Did you mean "probably scum"?

yes

Then I agree you have negative association but you're scummy individually, you have positive association with Ceph who is scummy individually and I am looking to shoot away from Galron anyway?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD can you explain why you've settled on OTH, Ceph, and Dunn as the names you'd lim today?

PEdit: I'd argue that the fact that the Galron vote has been so contested means we learn a lot regardless of his flip

~Spiffy

Honestly because

OTH/Galron/???

and

Ceph/Dunn/??? are my like, scum concepts rn.

From your point of view, if we want to follow your plan, it should make more sense to eliminate in the first grouping where Galron is scum, because you agree he is probably scum, rather than eliminate me who is likely not with Galron.

I learn less and I don't cnosider them completely impossible to mix and match.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

guys this is literally skirting a line

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD do you think Juliet was scum? Why do you only have three spots in your scumteam solve?

~Spiffy

We started with what, 17? I think we're liekly to have a third party in this game, so 13-3-1 makes sense over 13-4.

Also, I don't think Juliet can be alignment read. I think she might literally come back to life in a few days here, hence the redacted flip.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

just based on the sample role pm

yeah sorry i didn't mean to get this deep without mod approval and i didn't ask anyone to quote their role pm

yeah hence "skirting" not "crossing."

let's be careful

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I believe the claim

I don't. The claimed targets, the lack of understanding the role, the lack of the word "parity cop" anywhere in his explanation and the general method of claim by pieces is...

It reads like someone else wrote the fake claim for them, as one of the only ways to cover the tracked action.

Lightning strikes twice?

?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I believe the claim

I don't. The claimed targets, the lack of understanding the role, the lack of the word "parity cop" anywhere in his explanation and the general method of claim by pieces is...

It reads like someone else wrote the fake claim for them, as one of the only ways to cover the tracked action.

Lightning strikes twice?

?

I'm talking about the way OTH is going about their claim showing similarities to the way Galron went about their claim

Oh, then, yes, probably?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote:oth

[Lady Lambdadelta]

?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I got nothing to say. Oth is probably scum and Icebox can confirm my innocence very easily, without having to reveal anything.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

{Pav, LLD, Enchant}, DV

I see no reason for anyone to change their minds on Pav based on today's posts and if anything the claim should do the opposite. Loverizer is 99.999% a scum role.

Already talked about how she's likely a Galron buddy & The only thing LLD has done today is to indicate she wants OTH who looks obvtown to me, so unless that changes she's scum.

Ceph never did anything to make me think he's town and Enchant is not helping either.

DV is an outlier waiting to join in if Pav and/or Ceph end up being town somehow. Or maybe could be a 3p if there is one

Everyone else is town

OTH was in my Galron scum pool yesterday. I don't see why I should change that opinion after OTH botched a claim badly and then flailled and then convinced people it was genuine?

I think OTH is scum. If I'm wrong, I get to reevaluate, but we're 2 scum down and I don't see a good reason to believe OTH is town.

Also, I get that you like being confidently wrong, but can you be confidently right for once? If I was a Galron buddy I would never have done half measures. I took no steps to save Galron. I pushed a different idea, because it felt correct to me to do, but didn't believe the claim at all and was fine with Galron dying.

if I'm scum, I'll commit one way or another. No matter how the Galron flip goes, saying "I think he's scum but we should kill elsewhere" is never going to position me well the next day. Why the fuck would I bother?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The literal only other person on my list today is enchant, because that Ceph replace out.

But I just don't see a reason to stray from my current course.

Like if OTH is town, other scum open as a possible outcome of course but why would I go for that before checking OTH.

It makes 0 sense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like if you want spoilers the person I think is most likely to be a Halton partner is Luke, but only if OTH flips town?

If OTH flips scum I really don't know. Probably someone who was pro Galron and anti oth? Would need to look a bit closer at today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So yeah OTH today, accept no substitutes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So yeah OTH today, accept no substitutes.

You don't have the authority to boss around the thread, given how wrong you've been.

Said the person who actively lowers town winrates just by joining games. gtfo out of here. I was right on Juliet and right about Galron and just preferred playing with the extra 10% odds because it was more interesting info.

I've been wrong about blessed little in this game, mostly because we have had 2 night kills and 2 scum deaths and I was on board about both.

Deuces. Find another alt to play pretend with.
.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So yeah OTH today, accept no substitutes.

You don't have the authority to boss around the thread, given how wrong you've been.

I read that as where LLD would plant their vote, not bossing everyone else around. May be wrong tho

This is indeed what meant by context but Titus doesn't understand context. She reads posts and takes it however she feels on first glance.

Hopefully she gets the feeling from my previous post. It's a neon sign.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So yeah OTH today, accept no substitutes.

I am kinda wavering on that just because they claim to self resolve, so we could hunt for their partner.

Why were you all aboard the "let galron live, so he can possibly get results - let's hunt for his partners" train, but you are not interested in letting the the self killing cop claim fire, and hunting for the other scum?

Mostly because unlike Galron's half way claim with results that ptoved he was either a money stealer or a town power, this case has none of that. He is claiming a role that lasts one day. He is either town or wcum buying 1 day.

I don't want to know what yhat one day is, personally, from a risk assessment standpoint

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also for Titus, p sure the only read I have gotten wrong so far this game from my pov is bowser Jr who proved themselves town for me and I recanted day 1.

Otherwise I have been on Galron, OTH and Juliet day 1 for nearly the whole day.

Might still be wrong on Dunnstral but that was a specific "if galrpn is town, then this" read.

So frustrating.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also if you were expecting nice LLD she left the building this week. All my patience is left at the door where I get beat on by a kid and come home with bruises every day. I got nothing left for you fuckers. 0.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Might still be wrong on Dunnstral but that was a specific "if galrpn is town, then this" read.

No it wasnt. You were pushing for Dunn while claiming Galron is scum.

Yes that is what I said?

I thought galron was scum in 90% of worlds but in the 10% world, I felt Dunnstral was unalgined with galron, so "if galron is town, then..."

That was the logic. We are saying the same thing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also if you were expecting nice LLD she left the building this week. All my patience is left at the door where I get beat on by a kid and come home with bruises every day. I got nothing left for you fuckers. 0.

Sorry about what happened to you. I don't expect a nice LLD though.

I do expect an LLD who responds to Wisdom's questions.

Well you haven't earned my respect and Wisdom...

I don't really give a shit what Wisdom asks. I've never been able to change Wisdom's mind alive or dead.

So no to you because I just dont wanna, and no to wisdom because why fucking exercise in futility when I won't change his mind EVER.

No and no.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like

There are subsets of players I respect.

Wisdom is one of them.

But there are subsets of players who I think I can work with to solve what I have in my brain with what is in theirs.

Wisdom is not in that subset.

And you're not in either one, so that's where we're at tbh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, I don't expect this to change, but your contempt for people leads to town losses due to a lack of cohesion. I have done much better since listening to my townreads.

GL has some moderate interest in OTH. I just don’t have interest in following you this game.

Ironically, if I thought you were scum, I'd be more likely to sheep you.

And this is why you lose games.

You don't seem to understand. I don't have contempt for everyone.

Heck, in this game? I don't have contempt for anyone else. Just for you. JUST you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm happy to build town cohesion, but the truth is

1) it's over rated, it's better when towns think independently and come to conclusions.

and 2) I would never want you, Titus, in any town cohesive device I'm around.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, outside of the game, nice person, like you well enough, no problems with you.

But inside Mafia you have proven nothing and assumed everything. You talk yourself and your plans up and then oopsie, it all falls to shit.

Like, your most recent post is evidence of this. "If you were scum I'd be more likely to follow you"

Is your assessment of me "LLD likes to bus"? Is that literally as deep as you can go? Putting aside we are many people in here with different scum strategies, even just me, just me SOLO has more variance than that in my scum game, from game to game.

Like god your lack of even tryign to understand me at a critical level and expecting I just put up with you and try to understand you or you get upset is finally rubbed my FINAL nerve.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Funny because I actually focused on eliminating JC most of day 1. I actually worked with you Day 2, so why do you have contempt for me this game?

I have contempt for you and your brother in every game of Mafia because I've literally hit my last nerve of patience with you both.

You take all this fucking space and effort to be sorted because you don't seem to give a shit about anything but your own fucking worlds, you're CONSISTENTLY wrong but won't listen to anyone about it, and more than that, you constantly do this imbalance of conversation where you take something that is said, take your very first assessment of it, never question it and run with it.

And leave everyone else to try and explain to you why that's wrong or misguided. Painfully. Excruciatingly.

And when others try to understand you, you offer no such recourse, no such effort, no such anything.

I have spent more games trying to wrangle you and your brother in just to fucking PLAY THE GAME. Like more energy spent just rying to START PLAYING, than I have in any other whole mafia game. Scum or town.

That's why I have contempt for you both in mafia. You don't give a shit, you frustrate the FUCK out of me and I've been nice forever because you're both REALLY nice people outside the game but I'm SO FUCKING TIRED of it.

I like you both, but you both make me literally hate playing this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, I feel sort of bad that I'm including Math in this when he's not even here to defend himself so, I should probably stop there?

But it has felt like a 1 2 punch with both of you forever, and it's part of my frustration, make no mistake.

I like you both a lot. I enjoy when either of you messages me on discord. You're both awesome.

But seriously if you don't change how you play mafia soon Titus I'm literally going to lose my everloving fucking mind.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll admit I've proven nothing. I had a feeling JC was scum and spent most of the day arguing for that, but I was also willing to back off if most felt I was wrong. I don't have absolute proof of anything. That's also why I am not tunneling DV. I don't have a plan this game, nor am I in the spot to do it.

This post reeks of projection. You're expecting to find the old Titus rather than looking at the Titus in front of you this game.

My assessment of you is not that LLD likes to bus. It's that LLD is more likely than not to bus dead wait. JC was dead weight. Is it universally true? No. That's why I want to read you.

I think you responded like town LLD which is frustrating.

I am looking at what is in front of me, and that's not what Projection means Titus.

Prove me wrong in even ONE game. Go a single game where you actually try to fucking solve my above issues and I'll change my fucking tune so quick you have no fucking idea.

NO

FUCKING

IDEA

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lemme get back to you wrt giving you chances to be someone different when I don't want to murder the world.

Cause I am realizing that if I never give you yhe shot you wont change anyway.

And also cause I am trying not to be angry LLD cause it's so easy to be angry LLD. And I hate angry LLD? I like saving my anger for just causes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why does scum Pav loverize a buddy and a townie instead of two townies?

You're right, that would be weird

This was the convo Wisdom and I had in the neighbourhood.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

*sigh*

I’m not scum.

I feel like I put far more effort into how I appear as scum and the messiness here is more town-me. For example, for town-me the late joins on JC and Galron make sense as me coming around to them being scum. Whereas scum-me getting on their wagons is pointless because a late join onto a buddy’s wagon looks worse than not joining at all. But I get that I’m in the PoE and that’s okay. I’d just… obviously rather not.

DV DV DV DV DV DV DV DV DV DV DV DV DV DV

WHY DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO TRIBAL COUNCIL WITH ME AND YOU'RE PLANNING TO VOTE OUT AN ALLIANCE MEMBER OF MINE

I HAVE AN IDOL THO SO SHHHH

NO BUT SERIOUSLY YOU'RE PLAYING LIKE YOU'RE ON SURVIVOR WHY

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah It's not Pav.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm around

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why would he think galron was going down during n1

Nobody was suspecting him

No one but me, and I wasn't talking then

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: DV

E-1

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've decided I am done with the parity. That last VC is approximately close to who is doing what.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Still, why not loverize icebox to another good townie and kill two birds with one stone

Also, why claim this action?

Either way is an extra dead townie.

He was under pressure at the time. From your perspective, if it's an action that can be argued as town by wouldn't he claim?

Why is Pav town by play?

That.... That is awful logic.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If this flips town please consider Titus tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Icebox and I had a one shot Watcher that targetted me last night.

We saw Icebox, LLD and Off the Hook target me last night.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

which btw, confirms me as town, or EXPLICTLY scum with OTH

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Icebox can feel free to confirm that result is true, it's posted in our neighbourhood PT for us both to see. I'm 99% sure that the "Icebox, LLD" section of it is from our joint 1 shot watcher shot.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How does it confirm you

OTH's claim was an ability that would kill scum and not kill town.

OTH has received some kind of negative ability, and provably targetted me that myself, icebox and OTH will be able to claim.

That is 3 people and there is at most 2 scum.

So unless I'm scum with OTH and the OTH/LLD interaction was a setup to do all this, I'm not scum because OTH's ability confirms me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like did you just forget the portion of OTH's claim where they asked who to shoot and you yourself yesterday asked them to shoot me because conf town LLD is a good idea?

p.edit: okay, answer was yes, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So yeah, full claim of my role is that I am Portia, from Merchant of Venice.

At night I could send any player 3 caskets with my power inside one of them. If they chose correctly, a quick topic would open and we would jointly be given a power to use as a reward.

That power is a one shot watcher effect.

Last night, we had a choice to either attempt to watch for a night kill, or watch me to avoid shenaniganry.

We chose to watch me, incase scum tried to shoot over top of OTH's ability, incase someone tried to mess with it or other shit happened.

The results confirm the only people who were at me last night was OTH themselves and Icebox and I for using the watcher.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I thought you were arguing your role made you conftown somehow and i couldnt wait to call bs
Why didnt you buy my potion

I wasn't... offered, your potion?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what

I received no mod communication regarding a potion purchase from you, despite having the gold amount you specified.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Have people been blocking me
Nobody has bought any potion

You are not in the watcher results

hold up, yeah

you're not

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I believe today is massclaim time. We have a blocked kill, a confirmed townie and other such things, we should full massclaim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Brains

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eh.

Bonk bonk bonk.

vote: cof

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hello and greetings, alive ones. My name is Portia, and I have something to say. This is the effect of the potion I bought from Wisdom, taking effect.

I was loverized with Titus LAST NIGHT. The loverizing scum exists and is the last one alive. This clears Icebox because he was PROVABLY loverized with Galron.

I'll keep this very short and sweet. I'd like it if you could trust me on this.

Bowser Jr. is the final scum.

Skybird is clear, Icebox is clear, Dunn was against Galron on the day of Galron death, leaving only Pav and Bowser Jr.

And Bowser Jr. is the one who actively defended Cephrir from dying when it looked like Ceph might die, feel free to read it back.

In my mind, Bowser Jr. -> Pav wins the game, but Bowser Jr. should just be a win regardless.

I'm not one for long catchup posts, but know that. Skybird is clear, Icebox is clear and Dunn is MOSTLY clear but not 100%. If I'm wrong I'm pretty confident it's Dunn I'm wrong about, but... I don't think I'm wrong.

But still, that's a matter for a 3p ELO if it comes to such a thing. At that point (probably Icebox/Skybird, Dunn, Pav alive?) you can just go over everything and shoot your own shot and go for what you believe in between Pav and Dunn.

But for today, follow my brain. Bowser Jr. is scum. Early game their posts were scummy, they defended known scum Cephrir, etc etc etc

Thank you for your faith in advance,

Niamh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can I ask how a vanilized player regained a power to loverize Titus and I?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Icebox had a role copy action and used it to get Pav's lover action.

which should have been removed from them by the Vanilization, correct?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Once you're vanilized you don't get your abilities back

Or, if you do, Lover status should also have returned...seen their lover dead... and killed Bell.

You can't do one and not the other?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That would be the reasonable assumption to make, but it was actually a gold ability.

Note that when I claimed I didn't mention one.

-Bell

Vanilizations blank your role PM. Gold Abilities should ALSO have been removed.

This is... this is not...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't mean to be salty, this was a fun game and I appreciate you modding Ffery.

I'm just not okay with those moderation decisions, I think. Not a big deal, still had fun, just.... bitter taste.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can I ask how a vanilized player regained a power to loverize Titus and I?

It was explicit in the role pm and part of the design.

Be great in act, as you have been in thought.

Take pains. Be perfect.: Should you lose any abilities you may buy one 1-shot ability back. The cost is 6 gold coins

Icebox had a meme ability, where they could target a player each night, but had no idea what would happen, and there was the interaction with Puck if Puck targeted them.

In the posts wall the role PMs, the hidden parts of each role, if it had hidden parts is described. The role copy was a sort of punishment for town claiming unnecessarily. In the case of the loverize that didn't quite work it made sense for Pav to explain what he knew about what happened, but it opened up one of the more useful to scum roles to copy.

That... that's...

okay.

okay

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ffery, can I just ask... where in the ruleset was it stated that gold abilities existed outside of vanilization?

because I get it was a special interaction but that special interaction STILL REQUIRES that the gold ability not be erased to begin with.

Or else it's specifically... I dunno, this is.... I don't wanna be mean, i'm p. upset about that but I like you as a person and the rest of your game? I just...

gah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ffery, can I just ask... where in the ruleset was it stated that gold abilities existed outside of vanilization?

because I get it was a special interaction but that special interaction STILL REQUIRES that the gold ability not be erased to begin with.

Or else it's specifically... I dunno, this is.... I don't wanna be mean, i'm p. upset about that but I like you as a person and the rest of your game? I just...

gah

Vanillaized players still collected gold. It's probably not explicit in the rule set, but coin based activities weren't affected by other abilities unless those abilities explicitly involved coins, such as selling/buying potions, stealing coins, etc.

Buying a potion for an ability makes sense.

A VT gets a potion... they get an ability right?

Same with the One shot watch in the PT. Bell is vanilized but can use that ability.

... but activating their OWN ability on their OWN role PM to regain an ability is... that seems antithetical to what a Vanilized VT/Goon should be able to do, per the rules of the game.

I don't wanna harp on this too much, so I won't progress that any further, cause I fear it gets cyclical from here. Thank you for the game, I'll look forward to your next one.

<3