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[Galron]

bottleneck

VOTE: deas

[Galron]

hi wisdom, gamma, cephrir, dunn, lld, guilty lion, notsci, the dude, luke, marci, bell, gif... I don't know how tweet does it.

[Galron]

Dayvig: Galron

Not again...

Cool avi tho.

[Galron]

Cut my throat and thieve my gold.

[Galron]

Must've been an alt in your snoopy days

[Galron]

I anticipate much thumb biting

[Galron]

I thought today was about comedy.

[Galron]

Or is that just a colou thing

[Galron]

If people are going to talk in Shakespeare I'm royally screwed.

[Galron]

Nothing against you Dunn.

[Galron]

hi wisdom, gamma, cephrir, dunn, lld, guilty lion, notsci, the dude, luke, marci, bell, gif... I don't know how tweet does it.

Hi, whats your favorite ice cream

VOTE: Matey Ceph

YAAAAAAAAAR

I don't understand the ice cream thing.

[Galron]

Spoiler:

(this vote gets you two birds with one stone, if you know what I mean. By my troth, its a winner)

yes sir

hi wisdom, gamma, cephrir, dunn, lld, guilty lion, notsci, the dude, luke, marci, bell, gif... I don't know how tweet does it.

hi

Vote: Galron

good vote

(No, this is not my way of tricking some of you into posting a lot to miss out on your coin bonus, nope not at all)

if ur curious, i could answer your "obligatory question" you had, but i kinda dont have one.
why did u feel the need to say this..? no matter what you say im not about to miss out on my sweet sweet bonus coin.

37 luke, i think ur thinking too much about it, i doubt that was the intention behind pavs question.

Hello, I am excited to play a fun mafia game with all of you

~Spiffy

Anyone find any scum yet?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!

~Spiffy

have i ever played with u spif? i dont remember if i have, but what i do think is that these post have bad vibes!@@!#@!%

@Pav, I am offended

I both answered your question for my favorite play AND called it out for flavor fishing, and you skipped over both of those, just to respond to Gamma's answer to his favorite play and to Dunn's post calling it flavor fishing.

ur too pushy i think ur nervous bestieeee :3

Pavowski is town.

i have a townlean on pavowski as well, i think gamma does too

Pav, youre being so hostile. I am just out here begging for your attention

You ignored my post, and it filled me with sadness

why r u so focused on pav?

Anything stuck out to you so far?

(for me it is a specific hydra)

oo oo, spill the tea!! i hope its me, if not ill be very sad : - (

If people are going to talk in Shakespeare I'm royally screwed.

mood, idk what most of these words mean and im too lazy to google so im just gonna assume

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~M★

Hi Marci

I think that this might be an important question to divine you alignment :

Spoiler:

how do you feel about Mountain Dew Baja Blast?

To respond to your stuff re:me+pav, that was me shooting the shit. I was logged on, looking for someone to talk to. He was someone I knew who was posting, started talking.

Like I normally start out chatting with you, only you were not here. smh.

Not directed to me but sometimes when I see a Taco Bell, I'll treat myself to a Baja Blast. Props for the craving.

It seems like you're getting along with Pav pretty good. I agree nothing wrong with that. With marci, though, I sense some tension. Does that slot's treatment of Pav tell you anything?

[Galron]

I like that Tamora's Angel gave a Pav townread but not enough to feel comfortable about a townerad there

I don't understand. Why does Tamora's town read of Pavowski temper your own?

[Galron]

I think I wasn't clear there, TA townreading Pav is not enough for me to have a townread on TA, TA's read didn't impact my Pav read

Got it. What is you read on Pav then, or, to give you the benefit of the doubt, do you have a read on Pavowski?

[Galron]

anyone else having trouble parsing the shakespeare english?

What are you having trouble with. Maybe we can get lost together.

[Galron]

I think I wasn't clear there, TA townreading Pav is not enough for me to have a townread on TA, TA's read didn't impact my Pav read

I guess I didn't realize you are voting TA. Does that factor into this?

[Galron]

Going to bed.

[Galron]

Guilty Lion is town

[Galron]

yep

Dont see anything interesting yet so Im saving up on posts

What about Juliet and her lines?

[Galron]

Whatever dude.

[Galron]

As for yourself and Lord Lukewarm,

I do hope you will let love be your guide.

[Galron]

Lukewarm v. Pav in 49-67 vibes like town recognizing each other.

[Galron]

If people are going to talk in Shakespeare I'm royally screwed.

Just throw in some thee's and thou's and verily's, and you'll be most tippy-top

I thought today was about comedy.

Laughter is the best medicine, but today is for hunting scoundrels

This is what i was getting at:

Each day there is a new play to perform
Comedy today, Tragedy tomorrow

[Galron]

Dunno. I know Shakespeare wrote both comedies and tragedies, but I don't know if any of his works started as a comedy and ended as a tragedy. That's what went through my head -- will a comedy end in tragedy? It seems like maybe a description of RVS transforming into more serious game play. Or, assuming comedy > tragedy, is there something that makes it easier to find scum on Day 1 but harder on Day 2? Or odd Days vs even Days. But that seems like reading too much into it, and I end up just thinking is a couplet (if that's what couplet means) that is part of the colour and meaningless for game play.

[Galron]

If that makes any sense.

[Galron]

Spoiler:

(this vote gets you two birds with one stone, if you know what I mean. By my troth, its a winner)

yes sir

hi wisdom, gamma, cephrir, dunn, lld, guilty lion, notsci, the dude, luke, marci, bell, gif... I don't know how tweet does it.

hi

Vote: Galron

good vote

(No, this is not my way of tricking some of you into posting a lot to miss out on your coin bonus, nope not at all)

if ur curious, i could answer your "obligatory question" you had, but i kinda dont have one.
why did u feel the need to say this..? no matter what you say im not about to miss out on my sweet sweet bonus coin.

37 luke, i think ur thinking too much about it, i doubt that was the intention behind pavs question.

Hello, I am excited to play a fun mafia game with all of you

~Spiffy

Anyone find any scum yet?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!

~Spiffy

have i ever played with u spif? i dont remember if i have, but what i do think is that these post have bad vibes!@@!#@!%

@Pav, I am offended

I both answered your question for my favorite play AND called it out for flavor fishing, and you skipped over both of those, just to respond to Gamma's answer to his favorite play and to Dunn's post calling it flavor fishing.

ur too pushy i think ur nervous bestieeee :3

Pavowski is town.

i have a townlean on pavowski as well, i think gamma does too

Pav, youre being so hostile. I am just out here begging for your attention

You ignored my post, and it filled me with sadness

why r u so focused on pav?

Anything stuck out to you so far?

(for me it is a specific hydra)

oo oo, spill the tea!! i hope its me, if not ill be very sad : - (

If people are going to talk in Shakespeare I'm royally screwed.

mood, idk what most of these words mean and im too lazy to google so im just gonna assume

- -

~M★

Hi Marci

I think that this might be an important question to divine you alignment :

Spoiler:

how do you feel about Mountain Dew Baja Blast?

To respond to your stuff re:me+pav, that was me shooting the shit. I was logged on, looking for someone to talk to. He was someone I knew who was posting, started talking.

Like I normally start out chatting with you, only you were not here. smh.

Other than Popcorn, have you two ever been TvS? You and Pav I mean.

[Galron]

@mod vla 48 hours

[Galron]

Whemestar might be town. That was a fun run of posts. Roast.

[Galron]

Not convinced DV is town. Would like to know. I get weird vibes although the reads list was okay.

[Galron]

I Don't know wisdom well but I think if he were scum he'd be digging into someone.

[Galron]

Not convinced DV is town. Would like to know. I get weird vibes although the reads list was okay.

That should say would like to know DV's experience with spiffy.

[Galron]

I Don't know wisdom well but I think if he were scum he'd be digging into someone.

Not convinced DV is town. Would like to know. I get weird vibes although the reads list was okay.

That should say would like to know DV's experience with spiffy.

I feel these posts make Galron town.

Can you explain? I could post this as either alignment.

[Galron]

Luke: I don't think anyone answered my question about whether you've been TvS wrt Pav other than Popcorn.

[Galron]

Wait gif is in this game?

Ohh icebox nice

Wheme wagon is dying, but this is another point for town!Wheme - unless he's faking this thought process completely, I think scum would be more likely to pay attention to who is in the game as a hydra than town would. This would also probably spew Icebox as town on a scum!Wheme flip (though I don't think anyone suspects icebox), and generally scum want to keep as many players potentially aligned with them as possible.

@Skybird, since you asked for reasons to townread Wheme

FWIW I keep forgetting players too. I think you're town, GL, but this rule sounds like it comes from The Book of Mafia so I don't think it's all that compelling.

[Galron]

I Don't know wisdom well but I think if he were scum he'd be digging into someone.

Tunneling is like Wisdom’s signature so no
(At least back then. I don’t know if anything changed now)

You mean he doesn't tunnel? He wrecked scum!me one game by tunneling.

[Galron]

I Don't know wisdom well but I think if he were scum he'd be digging into someone.

Tunneling is like Wisdom’s signature so no
(At least back then. I don’t know if anything changed now)

Still is

Did I just read something wrong?

[Galron]

Vote: Galron

Hey there.

[Galron]

why not

VOTE: cof

[Galron]

Wheme wagon is stale. CoF wagon is hot. Nothing particularly towny in their ISO.

VOTE: CoF or wow me with some dank reads.

Also, you should vote somewhere.

Sry I'm not really caught up if I missed it, but are you town reading Wheme?

[Galron]

Luke: I don't think anyone answered my question about whether you've been TvS wrt Pav other than Popcorn.

Pav and I have been in 5 games together. 2 both of us were town, 2 with me as scum, one with him as scum

--

Other than Popcorn, have you two ever been TvS? You and Pav I mean.

We've actually only *not* been TvS once, and that was a game I repped into that ended very shortly thereafter. Hardly counts.

Is this the game? Can't tell yet.

There was also Not_Mafia's exploder game where you were killed before I ever got a chance to post

Thanks for this btw.

When you play with Pav do you start with a bias as to what his alignment is?

[Galron]

anyone else having trouble parsing the shakespeare english?

YES

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Any reasoning for this one? GL seems fine to me.

Good question.

Bowser Jr., Off The Hook, Child of Fairies, Skybird

Are these scumreads?

If they are, why vote COF over Off the Hook?

Yeah sort of. At this stage it feels a lot like picking names out of a hat and thinking "uhhhh this feels okay", but yes.

Off The Hook is probably the slot I'm least concerned about out of those 4, actually? I'm not sure why I need to be told what Gamma thinks without Gamma actually posting it but apart from that it's just weird appeasement vibes which might not mean much.

Child of Fairies is more interesting to me because of their interpretation that posts are difficult to parse. A very small proportion of posts so far are "Shakespearian" and honestly less than I would have expected going into a Shakespeare-themed game. If anything, the game has been easier to read than most other recent games I've played so it leads me to question where Child of Fairies' post is coming from. Is it an awkward attempt at light banter? Is Child of Fairies scum, feeling uncomfortable about that, and also more uncomfortable about posts that are more difficult to read as a result? I don't know, and I'm eager to find out!

I never said that. I said that I was having difficulty parsing the Shakespeare posts (namely the sonnets, but A for effort) and if anyone else was. All the other posts are pretty standard early-game stuff, which are perfectly readable.

My thirst is not quenched
There remains discontent

Then let's talk it out. What makes you discontented?

Focuses on DV rather than the substance.

I have very little idea of what you think. You have asked Juliet for reasoning on the GuiltyLion vote, saying that they seem “fine” to you. But what does this mean? Would you expect GL as scum to be not “fine”?

I get lots of goodfeels from DV's 130, I had the same issues with COF's 100 (which was what prompted my 102), and while my question to DV was meant more in the spirit of "why vanity vote instead of joining my wagon" I totally resonate with his summary of the bad vibe from COF.

DV's follow up 161 is also a super townie post

VOTE: Child of Fairies

I also had a thought that if COF is scum, he might be more likely to say that I "seem fine" if I'm currently pushing on a town!OTS. may be a bit too much of a reach so I'ma sleep on it but the idea has taken hold in my head

He's/you've been active and trying to solve this early, when there's basically nothing to go on. That's fine points in my book. You currently seem to be the most townread player in the game, so I'm curious as to what about me specifically saying this pinged you.

also, UNVOTE:

Don't want an early hammer, and my initial vote on this slot was a joke vote.

You’re a towel

VOTE: Bowser

I enjoyed that

We now resume our regularly scheduled programming

VOTE: Wheme

what changed between a single post by neither of these people?

Woosh ??

also, UNVOTE:

Don't want an early hammer, and my initial vote on this slot was a joke vote.

what's your current read on Wheme

I realllyyyy don't like that you unvoted without voting elsewhere, all that does is kill pressure/momentum on wheme. especially given you're not chasing another scumread instead, by not voting you're failing to generate any information

Wheme could go either way imo, he's posting a fair amount given the standards of this game but it feels like he's not really saying much. The only really interesting thing in his iso is the fact that he says has a post restriction, first with no prompting and second in response to LLD clearly having a severe one. I'd be interested in what it actually is, since he can clearly still post, talk, and vote normally, and everybody this day has a soft post restriction so I doubt it'd be the same thing for him of "can't post more than x times". If he had just mentioned it after LLD's came up I'd say it's more likely to be a lie and he's crumbing to get his wagon off, but he did claim it in one of his first posts so I'm more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not super big on his wagon since it's pretty much all naked votes with no reasoning or attempt to engage him, so it feels like we're really not getting anything out of it right now even though he's got a lot of votes on him. I'm not super secure on Wheme being town but I also don't like the wagon on him since it feels lazy, which doesn't seem town motivated to me.

Gonna reread some isos, be back later.

Seems super fence-sitty.

[Galron]

I Don't know wisdom well but I think if he were scum he'd be digging into someone.

Tunneling is like Wisdom’s signature so no
(At least back then. I don’t know if anything changed now)

You mean he doesn't tunnel? He wrecked scum!me one game by tunneling.

We've played before astral?

I think it's just the one game. if you weren't tunneling, maybe I was just paranoid because it seemed like it.

[Galron]

COF voted Bowser then unvoted for I'm not sure why then said they were going to read some ISOs and that's it. That last thing was a day and a half ago.

[Galron]

Vote: Galron

Hi again.

[Galron]

Vote: Galron

Hey there.

Vote: Galron

Hi again.

[Galron]

LLD hasn't made a post of substance yet. It's all been naked votes. If she's got a case to be made, she'll make it surely.

[Galron]

LLD hasn't made a post of substance yet. It's all been naked votes. If she's got a case to be made, she'll make it surely.

Cases are scummy.

As long as you have a reason.

[Galron]

Galron, why did you case COF in 448 after you had already voted them? Woosh-gate in particular was already discussed by several players in thread.

It feels kinda performative, like regardless of your alignment you decided to vote COF first without thinking, but 448 rings as if you want to make sure the rest of us know you are evaluating their slot. Gives me "tell" instead of "show" vibes

GL, I'm just tired of this day. COF was picking up votes for a reason. I wanted to see why.

[Galron]

what has happened that's got you tired, galron?

Prolly unfair but RL is killing me right now and I can't follow the thread properly. And the last couple of games I've been in I've been either tunneled or misread that I'm just over it.

[Galron]

I think it started with radio buzz. It's been like I've been speaking adifferent language since.

[Galron]

And you were scum there. So I don't even know anymore.

[Galron]

So really nevermind.

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

I have reason to believe this.

[Galron]

I don't like killing skybird today.

[Galron]

Thou hast an opportunity to earn one extra

gold coin

today. Be ye terse and it shall be thine. All in the Troupe who make fewer than 150 posts this game day shall earn it.

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I has't nay needeth f'r thy gold, and i shalt speaketh out one hundr'd times without rest 'gainst the evil yond tries to corrupt our hearts

VOTE: Bowser Jr.

Dunn,

What is your position regarding the gold coins?

[Galron]

Begone beldams, playeth not tricks of the mind

Who are you calling witches here? Bowser?

[Galron]

Just gonna claim now. I'm poisoned, I die at the end of night 3.

Dunn is right that this came out of left field. There wasn't much of a wagon, and it's like the least amount of pressure caused you to claim. I believe the claim but re-thinking it, it's really not ai. Even though it self-resolves, the likelihood is it doesn't and it still doesn't mean you're town.

[Galron]

Begone beldams, playeth not tricks of the mind

Who are you calling witches here? Bowser?

I'm pretty sure he's talking about Bowser and dancing around that slot.

[Galron]

But why

[Galron]

Lukewarm - His posting has be weird. I don't believe I've played with him before so I don't know if this is just his playing style or something that could be indicating alignment. Another one I need to look at more.

What do you think of the Luke-DV-GuiltyLion triangle?

[Galron]

I don't even know what to think of that.

[Galron]

Wheme's erratci ISO comes from town. And Bowser, it's not like when he asked whoever the Bowser head was anyone answered Spiffeh. I can see where that confusion can come from.

[Galron]

I've been there.

[Galron]

Juliet should say something.

[Galron]

OTH goes +town

[Galron]

That said, I think I just reflexively scumread marci's tone, whenever I read Gamma posting it gives me townvibes.

[Galron]

You make it sound like the hydra has three heads..

[Galron]

Did Juliet claim?

[Galron]

VOTE: Tamora

[Galron]

Sorry. It's been a busy day.

Vote on Tamora is because I was relieved of my gold and a note was left by the burglar apparently:

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day.

It sounds kind of wifomy now, but coing out of morning I was thinking Tamora. And then her fis t couple of posts today were kinda scummy I thought.

[Galron]

JC is clearly scum btw. I don't remembe seeing anything about 3ps.

[Galron]

Don't understand the wheme message. Why would he send FN to JC?

[Galron]

From offstage, you hear a voice:

One last thing is that WhemeStar had targeted me with their friendly neighbor ability.

[Galron]

What I'm getting at is that I think Juliet was evil at heart.

-GE

Good point. So who was the party who wheme targetted?

[Galron]

Icebox, bowser jr., why aren’t you voting for me?

What you’re doing today makes it look like you were just trying to get a wagon on me D1 as a possible non-Juliet elim.

This sounds like a complex thought that I don't understand.

[Galron]

Whyis GL voting me?

[Galron]

What I'm getting at is that I think Juliet was evil at heart.

-GE

Good point. So who was the party who wheme targetted?

Why is this what you've chosen to focus on, and why does it matter?

What makes you think I'm focusing on it? I brought it up as an afterthought. At first I thought it was Juliet claimint to have recieved a fn from wheme. But that doesn't make sense. With Gamma's help, I've concluded that it implies that there were three kills. Are you suggesting that we just disregard what this says? The logical inconsistency?

[Galron]

Are you going to vote for anyone Pav, DV, OTH?

[Galron]

With Gamma's help, I've concluded that it implies that there were three kills.

How?

OTH pointed out that the note said both that jc was inherently evil and that the voice from offstage referred to wheme in the 3d person.

[Galron]

It sounds like the voice (maybe Juliet?) is saying tha twheme targetted her, but why would he do that?

[Galron]

Are you secretly a titus alt

Not until you've seen drunk Galron.

[Galron]

It sounds like the voice (maybe Juliet?) is saying tha twheme targetted her, but why would he do that?

What is the/ who is the voice from offstage. The post is inconsistent.

[Galron]

I don't think the crier, whoever that is, is town. The post makes no sense. And if it isn't from town, it would be from who?

[Galron]

To drill down to it, why would JUliet call herself inherently evil and also tag wheme's friendly neighbor?

[Galron]

And no one else is claiming to have received wheme's FN

[Galron]

wheme has to be town right ?Why is there no counterclaim to the receiving friencly neighbor?

[Galron]

To everyone who gets an extra hour tonight, enjoy it. You can defer it. But make sure you take some time to acknowledge and enjoy it. That means turning off the devices and just enjoying the hour.

[Galron]

I'm kind of freaking out about this game.

[Galron]

I had a dream last night where my wife and I flew to Wahsington Dc. As soon as we deplaned, we were corralled into an area near the gate where there were two other couples. We had no baggage except for our over heads and we were prohibited from talking from anyone. It was like, I was trying to talk but no sound was coming out. And then this Dalek looking robot came and took my cpap and said "it will be fumigated." And we were naked and I had an appointment coming up in two hours.

[Galron]

With Gamma's help, I've concluded that it implies that there were three kills.

How?

OTH pointed out that the note said both that jc was inherently evil and that the voice from offstage referred to wheme in the 3d person.

....So???

I don't think the crier, whoever that is, is town. The post makes no sense. And if it isn't from town, it would be from who?

what doesn't make sense

Who wrote the note/

[Galron]

i don't know?

Then why does it say that JC received the FN but talk about wheme in the 3d person?

[Galron]

And whoever wrote me the poem or whateve and stole my gold, bite me.

[Galron]

You didn't make this game any easier.

[Galron]

Then why does it say that JC received the FN

it doesn't?

And why hasn't there been a cc to the FN claim?

[Galron]

What?

[Galron]

So someone made that post, the "crier" and then declined to take responsibility for receiving the FN?

[Galron]

Or that was just " a voice from offstage and not neccessarily the crier"

[Galron]

Are you secretly a titus alt

Are you secretly a titus alt

Not until you've seen drunk Galron.

I'm Titus. I alt slipped elsewhere.

If anyone, you should be able to read me.

[Galron]

You and Gamma by this point

[Galron]

Why would the crier say they received the FN? Why wouldn't the recipient of the FN acknowledge it?

[Galron]

WTF would the crier say they got a FN?

[Galron]

This is like the Emmys where everyone says they're bfs w everyone?

[Galron]

Are you going to vote for anyone Pav, DV, OTH?

Nah not yet.

OTH is my preferred vote at this point though.

I guess that's a good answer

[Galron]

Why is no one seeing this?

JC claimed she could write a note. She did.

Wheme claimed he could vote after he died. He is.

Wheme also said he was a friendly neighbor. In that post, it refers to wheme in the 3d person. "Someone" off stage said they received Wheme's FN. Who was that?

[Galron]

if we're just going to go Bizarro World, fine.

[Galron]

Why is no one seeing this?

JC claimed she could write a note. She did.

Wheme claimed he could vote after he died. He is.

Wheme also said he was a friendly neighbor. In that post, it refers to wheme in the 3d person. "Someone" off stage said they received Wheme's FN. Who was that?

Galron, I feel like you are confusing yourself. We received 3 posts while the thread was locked

1013 - which came from Juliet, just like she claimed she would be able to write to us after her death.

1014 - which came from Town Crier A

1015 - which came from Town Crier B

None of those people were wheme - in context none make sense coming form him, but also we have seen his flip. There is nothing about town crier.

However, Town Crier A has claimed that Wheme targeted Town Crier A over night before his death. I am inclined to believe this (regardless of town crier A's alignment) because no one has come back and said "WAIT, wheme actually targeted me and Town Crier A is a liar." This does not do anything to make Town Crier A more likely to be town, it just means that Town Crier A is likely someone that Wheme town read.

So Wheme targetted Town Crier A. Town Crier A put that information in their message.

At this point, there is no reason for Town Crier A to out themselves, because the only info they gained was that Wheme was town, but we literally all were given his flip.

I do not see anything that is concerning about this, or what you are worried about.

That post is still confusing to me. Your take gives it a little more sense. It supposes that one of the current players acted as a Town Crier, which I don't really understand because it starts by saying "My role is a crier, I can send a message every dawn phase. Notably, I can even send such a message the night I am dying. My final monologue, as it were." Then it talks about Juliet not acknowledging her lack of flip and then says that the crier received Wheme's Friendly Neighbor. I don't grok how a dying player can critique Juliet and not be Wheme. It's a dubious post. I'm gonna drop it, but I think it's something to keep in mind.

As far as Guilty Lion's case, my scum game is much worse than this but I haven't played with him so he wouldn't know that. I'm a town hunter then POE than a direct scum hunter per se. I've always got to defend my Day 1 play in a large. Until I figure out how to get over that hump, that's the way it's going to be.

[Galron]

And I'm irritated that I lost gold before I got to use it. As it stands I won't get to use any for another two or three days now.

[Galron]

Dunnstral is skeeving me out by lopping in excuses for me.

[Galron]

OTH -- can you two come to an agreement? Gamma, what makes me town? Marci, why am I scummy?

[Galron]

Fine, I'll break the silence.

VOTE: Galron

And I'll bet my rug GL is town after a post like that.

No one wants a pissed on rug, buddy.

[Galron]

You're right. I didn't catch that it was every dawn. Wheme's flip said that it was a mod-confirmed friendly neighbor. I guess I'll take a look at it, but I understood that to mean he could FN someone and the mod would confirm that he was town.

[Galron]

The every dawn thing. That makes more sense now.

[Galron]

I'm not a poison doc. I was just pointing out that usually there's a way to remedy that. No one's going to design a game where someone is poisoned out of the gate w/out an opportunity at getting cured.

[Galron]

I peeked both Wheme and Skybird last night thinking that if one of them were killed I'd be able to tell if they were on the same side. That's why I'm so focused on these crier posts. Skybird is town, I pretty much learned that from my result bc Skybird tested positive for Wheme. But who is this third party telling us this stuff? That's what's confusing me. None of this makes sense.

And yes, I was loverized with Icebox, and someone had to do that. It's nothing I was able to do.

[Galron]

In fact, if JC is town, and I don't know why anyone would think that, I'm more wgged out.

[Galron]

Galron can you full claim your role? You just made 2 posts that don't make a lick of sense, I want a full claim.

My name is Rosencranz. I compare two players to see if they are both actors.

[Galron]

Sorry, guild members.

[Galron]

Galron can you full claim your role? You just made 2 posts that don't make a lick of sense, I want a full claim.

Which posts don't make sense?

[Galron]

But those crier posts, the second one I guess, are throwing me off. WTF is the third party yelling from off-stage?

[Galron]

And why am I loverized with someone all of a sudden?

[Galron]

If anyone pops in with "who's scum" I'm gonna pre-emptively head that off and say idfk.

[Galron]

I want you to be very clear with me, okay?

Explain the EXACT fuctioning of your role.

Like, for example, a Gunsmith would be explained like this

At night, I target one (1) player and learn if they have a gun. A gun can be found on any of the following roles: Mafia, Cop, Vigilante, Gunsmith...(continue listing until complete). My results from the past nights have been X Y and Z. I have no other abilities.

Please go ahead.

What do you want me to say? I can choose two players to see if they're in the same troupe. I've already told you my past results. If I collect 6 gold pieces I can upgrade it to see what one of the players roles is.

[Galron]

Player's role*

[Galron]

I just did.

[Galron]

I'm not the one who made the lovers. That was foisted upon me by someone.

[Galron]

I'm not the one who made the lovers. That was foisted upon me by someone.

Can u elaborate when it happened

-GE

Dawn. It wasn't true when night ended, but it occurred during Dawn. Is that right, Icebox?

[Galron]

I think it was Dawn. I haven't gone back to check.

[Galron]

hmmm

I'd say in general the odds of Galron choosing to peek at exactly both a player that was killed and a player that was robbed are really low and so I don't think it's still really likely that his claim is true or that he's town

however due to my role I will track him again tonight so if I live to D3 I can confirm it tomorrow, therefore I'm not sure if I'm fully opposed to letting him live today, but I want to think about it. @Galron, can you use this ability every night?

I can upgrade to rolecop if I have enough gold, and I can't use the comparing ability then.

[Galron]

HOLD IT!

Galron, why did you think Skybird was a possible kill?

-GE

Starting with 176 I thought she was kind of townie. It was essentially a crapshoot.

[Galron]

Luckily this is not a court of law

~Spiffy

If this were a court of law, I'd Rule 56 you and get atty fees for it.

[Galron]

Or 12(b)(6) you.

[Galron]

I prefer 34, tyvm

I'd just send you the damn documents.

[Galron]

Maybe not THAT rule 34. But the real rule 34, I wouldn't have a choice.

[Galron]

Leash me to whomever. That's probably the best way to clear me other than a flip. I will follow it.

GL I did explain My vote on Tamora/Titus. On fact I don't recall unvoting.

VOTE: Dunn

[Galron]

Why are you voting for me?

I have to. And you're kinda scummy for reasons others have voiced.

[Galron]

I was rereading my talks with marci and remembered something that bothered me

@Dunn

, why was Skybird obvtown for you?

@Galron

, why did you check two people you TR? Typically investigators check players they’re unsure of. For parity cop the play would have been to check one strong TR and one unsure slot

-GE

I always want to confirm my TRs unless I'm more than like 75% sure they're scum. It's the best play.

[Galron]

GL has to track me. Can he track me to himself?

[Galron]

And a doc has to protect GL.

You guys figure out the details.

[Galron]

For some reason I thought someone suggested I parity GL and someone. I can't find it now. I was just going along with that. But regardless, you shouldn't listen to me. Do what you want.

[Galron]

It’s the second line of Galron’s post that reads as problematic.

-GE

Go for it.

[Galron]

Whoeve asked, I'm not super scum reading Dunnstral. That's the biggest counter.

[Galron]

I really don't know what to say at this point. But yes I will parity any two players you choose. As I said before, you can figure out the details.

Spiff, get lost. Notsci has seen me when I've been fake guiltied before. I'm just going to keep pounding.

[Galron]

And I'm not saying GL is fake guiltying me, just that I'm accused of killing someone I didn't.

[Galron]

I'm really not happy about this, and I don't know how to approach it any other way.

[Galron]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11837846

Polandball

[Galron]

If Notsci thinks I'm scum, he and Spiffy are moving into my scum pile along with Pav and Dunn.

[Galron]

Bowser is making a really bad call here. Why should I relent even under threat?

[Galron]

lol why is pav scum for you

-GE

He's been under radar this entire phase while I've been put to the fire after he defended Juliet all day yesterday

[Galron]

Like, Galron you need to understand something.

You're alive basically at my mercy right now. That means the moment you stop being useful, I'm murdering you.

Right now, you have role utility but also you have vote utility.

The minute you start making bad reads and suggesting you're gonna try and kill townies, you lose half your potential utility. Even if you're town and wrong, the needle starts to push too far past "is this worth it" when you do that.

So that's like, your warning.

If you want to kill me, do it. But I'm not going to stop speaking my mind. I'm tired of this bullshit being pushed around in every game I play.

[Galron]

That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.

This post was meant to be accompanied by

"I can't handle this stroking of Wisdom's ego, but otherwise, good post.

Galron I thought you were only voting Dunn as the biggest counter, not due to Dunn being in your scumpile"

If you'd read my posts you'd see that is a false statement.

[Galron]

galron whyd u pick rosencrantz

I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.

[Galron]

galron whyd u pick rosencrantz

I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.

was there a picture of your character in your role pm

Some red haried woman and a guy with a puffy skirt.

[Galron]

it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for

I did fancy shit because why not?

Spoiler:

So, I ran all three games that you linked as well as every game that I can remember playing with Dunn through the spread sheet. Calculated Dunn's percentage of all posts made day 1 compared to how many players were in the game, then did conditional formatting to color his higher post rate games green. (because you are positing that lurk dunn = scum dunn) to then see if there is any corrolation.

The conditional formatting guessed incorrectly 4 times, got it right 1 time, and then it did not give a result on his middle of the road game.

If anything, this is wrong more then it is right, and lurk Dunn = town Dunn.

well then

I did notice he had middling posting rates in a lot of his scumgames though and his posting does tend to ping as distinctly scummy when he is scum, and he's at least fitting that second bill imo
but tbh I think I wanna posit another question to

Galron

, which is: what's the shakespeare quote associated with your parity cop ability?

-GE

The only quote I have is "be not afraid the island is full of noises"

[Galron]

galron whyd u pick rosencrantz

I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.

well like

i was curious since i remembered u claimed "rosencranz" so i do believe u didnt pick it urself since it was slightly spelt wrong.

i dont know much about shakespeare at all, but me and gamma both googled it and rosencrantz seemed kinda bad to me..
am i understanding wrong, or why does it say rosencrantz and their partner guildenstern are spys serving a "corrupt king claudius"

I didn't write it, and I never read it. I don't know.

[Galron]

Looking at the wiki page, maybe that's Ophelia? and the guy is Rosencranz? Were they in Hamlet?

[Galron]

If I were faking it I would have chosen a quote from Hamlet, wouldn't I?

[Galron]

It's like you don't think I know how to play this game.

[Galron]

I'm going to bed. Don't hammer me until tomomrrow. I need to make a final post.

[Galron]

Rosencrantz was a flunkie hired to dupe Hamlet into giving up his plot against the king when nobody could figure out why he was acting all squirrelly. He and Guildenstern played on their previous friendship with Hamlet to take advantage of him. He died offstage between acts.

Unless roles are named at random, it doesn't seem a particularly townsided role to draw.

He was also a dude.

Then I guess it's the guy with the puffy skirt then. I assumed it was the red haired woman.

[Galron]

I saw it the first time.

[Galron]

That was in the first few pages of the game.

Anyway something weird happened over the hiatus that I've got to think about.

[Galron]

Looking at what Skybird raised, my gold was stolen during the night, not the dawn. I don't know what that means.

[Galron]

And OTH asked me about one specific Shakespearean quote -- the one related to my cop ability. That's why I didn't list the others.

[Galron]

that is what they asked -- but it's not how you answered

it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for

I did fancy shit because why not?

Spoiler:

So, I ran all three games that you linked as well as every game that I can remember playing with Dunn through the spread sheet. Calculated Dunn's percentage of all posts made day 1 compared to how many players were in the game, then did conditional formatting to color his higher post rate games green. (because you are positing that lurk dunn = scum dunn) to then see if there is any corrolation.

The conditional formatting guessed incorrectly 4 times, got it right 1 time, and then it did not give a result on his middle of the road game.

If anything, this is wrong more then it is right, and lurk Dunn = town Dunn.

well then

I did notice he had middling posting rates in a lot of his scumgames though and his posting does tend to ping as distinctly scummy when he is scum, and he's at least fitting that second bill imo
but tbh I think I wanna posit another question to

Galron

, which is: what's the shakespeare quote associated with your parity cop ability?

-GE

The only quote I have

is "be not afraid the island is full of noises"

i also struggle to see what that quote possibly has to do with anything. mine maybe is/are a reach but has/have some relevance to the ability and/or character if i squint.

They wanted the quote associated with the parity cop ability, and the only one I had was this one for that.

[Galron]

Anyway something weird happened over the hiatus that I've got to think about.

Can confirm Icebox.

[Galron]

Just that there was a mistake. No flowery language.

[Galron]

So really, you can lim me or leash me. I didn't take Skybird's gold. I didn't kill Wheme. Skybird's town. I'm not lovers with Bell. Last part makes me feel less desperate because I didn't want to bring down a likely town player with me.

[Galron]

Maybe they mixed up the flavor and I was supposed to be loverized to the player I visited but she slapped me with Galron instead.

-Bell

I thought you visited gl?

[Galron]

I had moe WIM yesterday. Notsomuch today.

[Galron]

It sounds like your role turned yourself vanilla for targeting wrong

Doesn't really explain why I was loverized to galron though.

-Bell

My PM said it was a mistake. So it probabaly shouldn't have happened.

[Galron]

Hey, so.
Like.
I got vanilla'd
and I'm no longer loverized to galron.

-Bell

Bet

VOTE: galron

What does that mean? Bet? You think we still are?

[Galron]

I've been railroaded like three games in a row now as town.

[Galron]

I actually thought I'd be able to go deep this game, but I get scum read as town with many in this group all the time. Several of you should know better.

[Galron]

GL's track was accurate, but the conclusions were wrong.

[Galron]

I actually thought I'd be able to go deep this game, but I get scum read as town with many in this group all the time. Several of you should know better.

Shouldn't have killed Wheme then

You should have listened to me because that did not fucking happen.

[Galron]

For real though, your claimed abilities don't add up at all so I don't believe that you are town.

And yes I do think that everybody has a sticks and stones passive that is negative, which you never claimed.

For the millionth time, I was asked about one quote from one ability. Get that straight.

[Galron]

I actually thought I'd be able to go deep this game, but I get scum read as town with many in this group all the time. Several of you should know better.

Shouldn't have killed Wheme then

You should have listened to me because that did not fucking happen.

You're right, I should have voted for myself for no reason like you.

I didn't vote for myself. I'm not going to catfight you on this. You're on ignore.

[Galron]

I actually thought I'd be able to go deep this game, but I get scum read as town with many in this group all the time. Several of you should know better.

I had you as a town lean before your double track to scum night activities

So really, that track sucked for you regardless of your alignment

I get that. Like I said, I've been fake guiltied before. It gives you a helpless feeling, a pit in your stomach. Then you just do what you can and accept the inevitable.

[Galron]

And again, I'm not saying I was fake guiltied, just that it was an unfortunate coincidence.

[Galron]

For real though, your claimed abilities don't add up at all so I don't believe that you are town.

And yes I do think that everybody has a sticks and stones passive that is negative, which you never claimed.

For the millionth time, I was asked about one quote from one ability. Get that straight.

Rolecop is not an upgrade for Parity cop.

So far from what I've seen from Wheme and the sample role pm, and from my own role, sticks and stones has always been a negative effect, and the gold spend ability has always been used to remove or lessen a part of the negative effect.

If I'm wrong about that last part nobody needs to claim their roles now, just in case.

My sticks and stones thing says: "You shall suffer none."

[Galron]

I'm diecting my attention somewhere else with Dunnstral being annoying like this. Not even willing to consider the possibility.

[Galron]

You who know me actually think I post this much in a game as scum.

[Galron]

Dunn, Pav, Bowser, scum

OTH null -- they can't seem to agree,

GL & Wisdom, lock town.

Everyone else meh.

[Galron]

For real though, your claimed abilities don't add up at all so I don't believe that you are town.

And yes I do think that everybody has a sticks and stones passive that is negative, which you never claimed.

For the millionth time, I was asked about one quote from one ability. Get that straight.

Rolecop is not an upgrade for Parity cop.

So far from what I've seen from Wheme and the sample role pm, and from my own role, sticks and stones has always been a negative effect, and the gold spend ability has always been used to remove or lessen a part of the negative effect.

If I'm wrong about that last part nobody needs to claim their roles now, just in case.

My sticks and stones thing says: "You shall suffer none."

You should probably not be quoting directly from your role pm with quotation marks and everything :/

It's a paraphrase.

[Galron]

I have no idea who you are tho.

I wish people would learn to read and comprehend posts.

[Galron]

Bank on it.

[Galron]

LLD probably town too.

[Galron]

LLD, I will never ever ever let you push me around.

[Galron]

I want to be cremated and sprinkled over the scum team.

[Galron]

I would like to know why Wheme/Yorick didn't vote me.

[Galron]

Thanks ff. Great setup. Great game. Bell was brilliant.

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