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Dwlee99 · Post Post #69 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:46 am

Oh right this game

Read first two posts:
VOTE: iconeum

Dwlee99 · Post Post #71 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:48 am

In post 31, Andresvmb wrote:VOTE: DW

You’re good Scum.

Holy shit, recognition

Dwlee99 · Post Post #72 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:48 am

In post 70, Andresvmb wrote:I have Datisi and A50 as Scum so far. Ico is Town.

Wow you have the opposite thoughts as me, are you scum?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #73 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:49 am

Okay I read the third page, maybe you're right on ICO

Idk

Dwlee99 · Post Post #74 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:51 am

VOTE: t3
Okay I think t3 might be scum here
Worst case scenario I have a 1/3 chance of just guessing right

Dwlee99 · Post Post #80 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:58 am

Hmm so like manufacturing a reason to display the TMI on ico so that they don't engage there too much? Hmmm

VOTE: Datisi
I believe in Datisi's ability to ping my towndar if town so let's see where this goes

Dwlee99 · Post Post #82 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:59 am

In post 79, Iconeum wrote:
In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh right this game

Read first two posts:
VOTE: iconeum
and what in the first 2 posts made you vote me?

Okay andres how sure are you actually about this Ico townread

This post is garbo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #83 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:59 am

In post 81, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: dwlee

Also garbo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #89 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:02 am

In post 85, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 82, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 79, Iconeum wrote:
In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh right this game

Read first two posts:
VOTE: iconeum
and what in the first 2 posts made you vote me?
Okay andres how sure are you actually about this Ico townread

This post is garbo
It’s a question you can totally answer haha and if the answer is “RVS, early tone read”, that would be acceptable. So why is that garbage? Not sure I follow.

Dude didn't even post in the first two

What alignment info is he expecting to get out of that question, it's literally pointless

Dwlee99 · Post Post #92 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:04 am

No the first two posts of the game

Dwlee99 · Post Post #95 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:05 am

In post 79, Iconeum wrote:the first 2 posts

I feel like ico knew that's what I meant as well given this wording

Also stop preempting excuses for possibly scummy behavior andres

Dwlee99 · Post Post #96 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:05 am

In post 94, Iconeum wrote:
In post 82, Dwlee99 wrote:This post is garbo
your username is garbo

Die die die die die die die die

Dwlee99 · Post Post #102 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:09 am

In post 97, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 95, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 79, Iconeum wrote:the first 2 posts
I feel like ico knew that's what I meant as well given this wording

Also stop preempting excuses for possibly scummy behavior andres
I’m not providing excuses, you asked me for my opinion. So I provided it. If you wanted to better understand what Ico might have understood, then you should have asked them directly.

I'd argue my question was kinda rhetorical but oh well

Dwlee99 · Post Post #103 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:09 am

In post 98, Iconeum wrote:
In post 89, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 85, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 82, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 79, Iconeum wrote:
In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh right this game

Read first two posts:
VOTE: iconeum
and what in the first 2 posts made you vote me?
Okay andres how sure are you actually about this Ico townread

This post is garbo
It’s a question you can totally answer haha and if the answer is “RVS, early tone read”, that would be acceptable. So why is that garbage? Not sure I follow.
Dude didn't even post in the first two

What alignment info is he expecting to get out of that question, it's literally pointless
i don't like you

Wtf

Dwlee99 · Post Post #106 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:10 am

In post 100, Iconeum wrote:
In post 96, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 94, Iconeum wrote:
In post 82, Dwlee99 wrote:This post is garbo
your username is garbo
Die die die die die die die die
i usually do in these games, but i'm taking your punk scum ass with me bruh

Dayvig: Iconeum

NOPE

Dwlee99 · Post Post #107 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:10 am

I will spam you out you can't kill me sorry

Gotta shoot me with a gun if you want that

Dwlee99 · Post Post #115 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:15 am

Ico in my experience has just rolled over and died cause he was scum

Idk what town!him plays like

Dwlee99 · Post Post #116 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:15 am

I guess this is better

Dwlee99 · Post Post #120 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:22 am

In post 117, Iconeum wrote:
In post 115, Dwlee99 wrote:Ico in my experience has just rolled over and died cause he was scum

Idk what town!him plays like
have we played before?

Lol remember the Gypyx game where scum knew that the town had all those OP roles with no counterplay

You died uhh very quickly

I was voting you it was cool

Dwlee99 · Post Post #122 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:25 am

Wiki is scum af but we play with datisi first

Dwlee99 · Post Post #125 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:36 am

In post 124, Wiki wrote:
In post 122, Dwlee99 wrote:Wiki is scum af but we play with datisi first
So A50 is town for you, right?

Idk sure

Dwlee99 · Post Post #127 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:46 am

Have fun w that from the dead chat after I convince everyone to lim you

Dwlee99 · Post Post #148 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:25 am

T3 do you just pick an alignment out your ass

Dwlee99 · Post Post #149 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:26 am

In post 128, Selynee wrote:
In post 122, Dwlee99 wrote:Wiki is scum af but we play with datisi first
Why you think Wiki is scum?

Looks like he is looking for someone else to "justify" his vote somewhere so it isn't his own

I mean sometimes you can sheep but it's less like justify-y as town imo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #151 (isolation #24) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:32 am

Cringe

Dwlee99 · Post Post #159 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:38 am

In post 154, Wiki wrote:
In post 147, T3 wrote:Dwlee is playing very strongly towards his town meta. Once he has more posts I’ll see if he exhibited the tell.
I have a feeling that he tries to pocket Andre, if they are not together.

Andre votes Dwlee.
Dwlee votes Ico (for 2 first posts?).
Andre says Datisi and A50 are scums, Ico is town.
Dwlee says that his opinion is opposite, so Andre can be a scum.
Then Dwlee immediately changes his opinion: Ico is a townie, Datisi is a scum. Andre is town too for him, just logics. He has read 3 pages in short time to change all of it. He had no reason to tr Andre so fast with so opposite opinion, Andre should be very suspicious for him.

What does it look like? I think this can be Dwlee pocketing Andre. He had no good reasons at all to make such conclusions so fast. It doesnt matter Andre was right or not. Though Andre said Dwlee is town after all...

I recommend to reread this conversation, the timings are interesting. From page 3, post #69.

Is this a read based on me being able to read fast

Dwlee99 · Post Post #160 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:38 am

Also can people please respect my signature, thanks

Dwlee99 · Post Post #169 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:58 am

In post 166, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 164, Wiki wrote:Dozens of games, if you are so interested.
Lots of vague answers.

Okay, fine. I’ll assume you’re experienced but I won’t ask you to point to other games you’ve played in because it’s clear you don’t want to share that, which means you want to be viewed purely through your play in this game. Though I can accept that, it still leaves open the question as to why you’re so happy to discredit DW’s skills as Town when from my personal experience, they’re definitely better than average.

Wow Andres you're flattering me

Dwlee99 · Post Post #172 (isolation #28) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:01 am

In post 170, Wiki wrote:They can bus not because of this, just as rvs. The point is how fast they(Dwlee) have changed their mind and with what reasons... This is strange.

When info is low additional info can be overpowering

Dwlee99 · Post Post #183 (isolation #29) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:25 am

In post 181, Gamma Emerald wrote:andres and wiki

Hello ???

Yea why are you voting me btw

Dwlee99 · Post Post #189 (isolation #30) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:49 am

In post 188, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 183, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 181, Gamma Emerald wrote:andres and wiki
Hello ???

Yea why are you voting me btw
wanted to try to start a wagon, felt like you were more interesting with how my TRs had interacted with you

Okay if you said that you scumread me that'd be silly

Dwlee99 · Post Post #190 (isolation #31) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:49 am

In post 186, geraintm wrote:VOTE: dwlee

Gera friend

Dwlee99 · Post Post #193 (isolation #32) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:58 am

Wiki I don't know you

Why do you expect me to have the same amount of aggression to you and someone I've played with and have a baseline expectation of how they play and who I don't scumread yet

Dwlee99 · Post Post #196 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:05 am

What does this mean

Dwlee99 · Post Post #214 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:41 am

In post 199, Wiki wrote:
In post 196, Dwlee99 wrote:What does this mean
Andre said you are townie for agression to everybody.
But when you've got additional votes, you started meow meow meow with everybody to stop elimination.
All your agression was fake, like I said earlier.

Uh no

Who am I meowing at that I was aggressive to before? You're just making shit up at this point

In post 201, Wiki wrote:How is Gera friend to you more than Datisi or me is another interesting question.

i mean strictly Datisi is more of a friend in an out of game sense than either you or Gera. I don't really scumread Gera though, and there seemed to be reason to pressure Datisi into hopefully towning it up (I find town!datisi quickly normally) so i wanted to do that. You on the other hand are scummy and if you are town your philosophy on playing mafia sucks

Dwlee99 · Post Post #218 (isolation #35) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:53 am

Eh there's motivation to bus when you have 4 scum but also I can at least confirm it's not SvS

Dwlee99 · Post Post #226 (isolation #36) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:18 am

In post 219, Wiki wrote:
In post 214, Dwlee99 wrote:i mean strictly Datisi is more of a friend in an out of game sense than either you or Gera. I don't really scumread Gera though, and there seemed to be reason to pressure Datisi into hopefully towning it up (I find town!datisi quickly normally) so i wanted to do that. You on the other hand are scummy and if you are town your philosophy on playing mafia sucks
1. So your friend votes you, you consider her not a scum even now... It means that she can be expert of finding your side. And she votes you... Your town friend votes you, she knows you good... Well, what does it mean...
2. Of course you dont scumread Gera. This is so funny to hear. Look at her ISO. 2 almost empty posts. It seems that you just know her side, that's why it is not suspicious for you.

I don't have a read on gera, he has two posts. How am I supposed to read him yet

And no, gera isn't good at reading my alignment I have just been in games with him. I think he scumread me when I was town and townread me when I was scum

Last game I was in with him he went "I will vote anyone but <insert name of both scum>" lol

Dwlee99 · Post Post #227 (isolation #37) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:19 am

In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 201, Wiki wrote:How is Gera friend to you more than Datisi or me is another interesting question.
what's this about? I'd kinda expect him to have interacted with me if he's interacting with friend people

I feel like we have been over this

Dwlee99 · Post Post #228 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:21 am

In post 222, Datisi wrote:
In post 80, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Datisi
I believe in Datisi's ability to ping my towndar if town so let's see where this goes
hmm
why did you townread me for in the first place? i see the recent post saying you usually find town!me quickly, and i'm assuming 72 is a townread.

also on page 4, i don't get your iconeum scumread at all

Idk you posted words and they seemed nice

Iconeum scumread was to generate pressure not something deep

Dwlee99 · Post Post #230 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:32 am

I think wiki was referring to gera there cause that's who is voting me but I'm not sure

Dwlee99 · Post Post #231 (isolation #40) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:33 am

In post 229, Datisi wrote:Not Bad

My poe was FIRE that game

I'm glad I felt a spark to play this game (mostly out of game I think but sometimes mental state mixes with a game in a good way and it's one of those days)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #236 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:41 am

In post 232, Datisi wrote: i mean that's nice to hear but like
what about them was nice and what changed your mind and etc you know gimme something to work with

I saw words from you

Actually though like you had words and it seemed solvey so I was feeling cool saying town

Andres pointed something out and I figured voting you wouldn't hurt anyone

will i have to be dragging things out of people the whole game

Lol you know the answer to this already

also that's fair enough but it seemed like you had reasons for scumreading him which i didn't get but like
that was page 4 i'm not sure if it's gonna be of use discussing that from page 4 when i'm tired and it's probably not gonna help in reading either you or ico

I forget what it was but there was something off but I feel good now

Also I think it's time I declare some townreads

Ico
Datisi
Andres

Get to be town

UNVOTE:

So now we are looking at >40% chance hitting scum if these reads are right so let's think here

And by think I mean I'm gonna be watching (but I do have some thoughts here I just wanna see how it goes)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #240 (isolation #42) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:44 am

In post 233, Datisi wrote:
In post 231, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 229, Datisi wrote:Not Bad
My poe was FIRE that game

I'm glad I felt a spark to play this game (mostly out of game I think but sometimes mental state mixes with a game in a good way and it's one of those days)
yeah, tone/vibewise i'm kinda feeling like you have Life and Willpower to play the game and don't really get the wagon on you

maybe i should check a dwlee scumgame at some point

I get a wagon on me D1 all the time and I am always confused

Like LN 233 people just started voting me and tbf I was tunneling a townie but c'mon

Dwlee99 · Post Post #278 (isolation #43) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:15 am

I have a game winning poe ready but I'm gonna wait a hot sec before unveiling it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #282 (isolation #44) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:18 am

I just realized it's not game winning so now I'm sad

Dwlee99 · Post Post #293 (isolation #45) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:08 pm

In post 291, Wiki wrote:You said I'm scum af. So lets fight till the end. If I die earlier and flip green, you should be elimed next. Hard vote untill you die.

I'm not even voting you what are you doing

Dwlee99 · Post Post #295 (isolation #46) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:14 pm

Yea I've been through this before, no interest in tunneling each other for 30 pages until we realize we derailed the thread the whole day and it's time to actually kill scum.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #299 (isolation #47) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:24 pm

You're cramping my style so much rn

Can you just hold your horses for like a little bit. I'm close to winning the game

Dwlee99 · Post Post #301 (isolation #48) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:39 pm

In post 236, Dwlee99 wrote:And by think I mean I'm gonna be watching (but I do have some thoughts here I just wanna see how it goes)

In post 278, Dwlee99 wrote:I have a game winning poe ready but I'm gonna wait a hot sec before unveiling it

In post 282, Dwlee99 wrote:I just realized it's not game winning so now I'm sad

In post 293, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 291, Wiki wrote:You said I'm scum af. So lets fight till the end. If I die earlier and flip green, you should be elimed next. Hard vote untill you die.
I'm not even voting you what are you doing

In post 295, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea I've been through this before, no interest in tunneling each other for 30 pages until we realize we derailed the thread the whole day and it's time to actually kill scum.

In post 299, Dwlee99 wrote:You're cramping my style so much rn

Can you just hold your horses for like a little bit. I'm close to winning the game

If your post can be responded to with any of the above just don't hit submit

Dwlee99 · Post Post #303 (isolation #49) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:42 pm

In post 301, Dwlee99 wrote:If your post can be responded to with any of the above just don't hit submit

Dwlee99 · Post Post #305 (isolation #50) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:46 pm

Gamma I wanted to hold this but why the fuck are you still voting me

Dwlee99 · Post Post #306 (isolation #51) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:46 pm

Wait you're not nevermind LOL

I was like "okay you're here and you're watching this saying it's dumb but your vote is on me??"

Sorry for the rude language

Dwlee99 · Post Post #311 (isolation #52) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:54 pm

Why do I end up in this BS everytime I decide to be active

Like my brain completely clicked which it hasn't for like a month and I'm feeling amazing rn etc. etc. So I'm like oh fuck yea I'll get to post a ton for this new exciting game with people I know and then this happens to me

Like I thought I was saving us so much time and thread real estate by skipping the thirty page unproductive tunnel and you just want to drag this on for no reason by responding to everything I say with some nonsense

Dwlee99 · Post Post #312 (isolation #53) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:54 pm

In post 309, Wiki wrote:I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

In post 310, Wiki wrote:Hard claim

You have one post to retract lol

Dwlee99 · Post Post #316 (isolation #54) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:56 pm

In post 314, Wiki wrote:Hard claim 2

VOTE: Wiki
Idk if you've played games here before but that's not a possible role in a normal

Dwlee99 · Post Post #317 (isolation #55) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:01 pm

Where'd you go wiki

Dwlee99 · Post Post #320 (isolation #56) » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:04 pm

Well there many issues including 1.) I'm not mafia 2.) A cop wouldn't be get whether someone was a goon or not 3.) Day cop doesn't exist 4.) I am seriously questioning what the fuck professional mafia is and whether or not I can pursue a career in it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #381 (isolation #57) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:28 am

UNVOTE:
Hello everyone

Dwlee99 · Post Post #383 (isolation #58) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:44 am

t3 can I put you in my ultra-awesome list of townies

Dwlee99 · Post Post #408 (isolation #59) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:27 am

VOTE: Geraintm

Dwlee99 · Post Post #409 (isolation #60) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:27 am

Salsa rolled scum too I think

Dwlee99 · Post Post #414 (isolation #61) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:32 am

Datisi how do you have too many scumleans
Name them

Dwlee99 · Post Post #417 (isolation #62) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:34 am

In post 415, Wiki wrote:Dont elim Gera.
I'm not sure that scums usually say smth like that on day one with no big pressure on them: "if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game"

I dont like some votes and reactions after that. But right now I have no time to read

Dude at some point I'm gonna have to lim you just for being so wrong because I know scum won't night kill you

Dwlee99 · Post Post #420 (isolation #63) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:39 am

Not dealing with jailWiki

Dwlee99
Iconeum
Datisi
Andresvmb

T3
Selynee (preflips)
Three

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Dorsey

Salsabil Faria
geraintm

Pedit: there's 4 scum, 6 is a fine pool to be looking in, here's where I'm at though

Dwlee99 · Post Post #421 (isolation #64) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:40 am

Also, as always, unordered between tiers

Dwlee99 · Post Post #424 (isolation #65) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:41 am

If traitor game then Gera > salsa > a50 has a decent chance of winning imo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #427 (isolation #66) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:42 am

In post 394, Wiki wrote:Wiki  66 posts
Dwlee99  59 posts
Iconeum 51 posts
T3 43 posts
Andresvmb  33 posts
Datisi  32 posts
Gamma 28 posts
Three 22 posts
Selynee  22 posts
Almost50 16 posts
geraintm 2 posts
Dorsey 1 posts
IOnlyAskWhy 0 posts

I will never believe that the whole mafia team is at the bottom of activity list, playing absolutely silently.

Ty for bringing this to my attention Gamma.

Yea this is a bad assumption. Scum play here is complete hit or miss for some people and sometimes scum just lay completely low

Dwlee99 · Post Post #428 (isolation #67) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:43 am

I wonder if I'll finally be N1'd

Dwlee99 · Post Post #430 (isolation #68) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:47 am

In post 420, Dwlee99 wrote:
Not dealing with jailWiki
Dwlee99
Iconeum
Datisi
Andresvmb

T3
Selynee (preflips)
Three

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Dorsey

Salsabil Faria
geraintm

Pedit: there's 4 scum, 6 is a fine pool to be looking in, here's where I'm at though

Quoting for new page
Gamma if you're town do you think bottom 4 wins?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #437 (isolation #69) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:54 am

Well you're wrong lol

Dwlee99 · Post Post #480 (isolation #70) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:06 am

In post 450, Wiki wrote:Datisi is not town for me. He can be with Dwlee or even darker. Maybe flipping colors will change my mind.

If I knew better I'd guess you could be LQ

Dwlee99 · Post Post #481 (isolation #71) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:06 am

Didn't know better*

Dwlee99 · Post Post #489 (isolation #72) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:44 am

Okay gamma is locktown now

Dwlee99 · Post Post #547 (isolation #73) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:03 pm

I leave and Gera/Salsa still aren't thrown into the atmosphere

Unlucky

Dwlee99 · Post Post #550 (isolation #74) » Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:07 pm

That was weird

Dwlee99 · Post Post #667 (isolation #75) » Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:43 pm

In post 420, Dwlee99 wrote:
Not dealing with jailWiki
Dwlee99
Iconeum
Datisi
Andresvmb

T3
Selynee (preflips)
Three

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Dorsey

Salsabil Faria
geraintm

Pedit: there's 4 scum, 6 is a fine pool to be looking in, here's where I'm at though

Dwlee99 · Post Post #773 (isolation #76) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:06 am

Can we vote gera

Dwlee99 · Post Post #779 (isolation #77) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:26 am

In post 777, Almost50 wrote:
In post 773, Dwlee99 wrote:Can we vote gera
I was, but apparently someone thinks I'm a better lim, so I'm just being a team player.

You can also vote salsa

Dwlee99 · Post Post #787 (isolation #78) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:48 am

Literally just ignore Wiki datisi. Why are you engaging there

Dwlee99 · Post Post #788 (isolation #79) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:48 am

In post 786, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 773, Dwlee99 wrote:Can we vote gera

What’s is the case on
gera
?

That he has a red role pm

Dwlee99 · Post Post #792 (isolation #80) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:50 am

Salsa I'm very confident you're gonna flip red but I know you have to pretend you won't and that is sad

Dwlee99 · Post Post #793 (isolation #81) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:51 am

In post 791, Datisi wrote:
In post 787, Dwlee99 wrote:Literally just ignore Wiki datisi. Why are you engaging there
i can't ignore someone who's making such bullshit arguments at me, because people are lazy and might decide to just sheep him without fact checking

can you give me a case on scum!gera while i catch up please

See but when I dipped from the thread cause it was exhausting did anyone sheep Wiki on me? Nope. They just ignored him too

Dwlee99 · Post Post #794 (isolation #82) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:51 am

In post 153, geraintm wrote:7 pages already!

This game is going to be too much.

[Space left intentionally blank to crumb]

In post 186, geraintm wrote:VOTE: dwlee

Scum entrance

Dwlee99 · Post Post #795 (isolation #83) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:53 am

In post 395, geraintm wrote:
In post 309, Wiki wrote:I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

In post 310, Wiki wrote:Hard claim

In post 314, Wiki wrote:Hard claim 2
I am already VOTE: dwlee

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

This post didn't quote for some reason but this is also part of scum entrance

Dwlee99 · Post Post #800 (isolation #84) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:00 am

What are you seeing there dats

Fmpov gera has made some surface level posts and don't nothing townie since his extremely scummy entrance

And yes, meta bad, but I don't even think you can claim this would be meta town for him

Dwlee99 · Post Post #801 (isolation #85) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:00 am

In post 796, Datisi wrote:i can't ignore wiki because it drives me up the fucking wall when i'm having a loud voice be that wrong about the things i'm saying

Yea but responding only makes him talk more I realized

Dwlee99 · Post Post #803 (isolation #86) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:05 am

Okay salsa

Dwlee99 · Post Post #805 (isolation #87) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:10 am

Yea the thing is gera is playing differently this game than there so your "meta" is just a bad attempt at diffusing pressure on him

Dwlee99 · Post Post #810 (isolation #88) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:18 am

Cause you're scum

Do you think I am? Because last I checked your story was that you were townreading me

Dwlee99 · Post Post #813 (isolation #89) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:25 am

In post 811, Salsabil Faria wrote:
Where?
As town, you can't be so sure on anyone but you're that sure on me on D1 already?? Why not voting me then and convince people to eliminate me if you're
that
sure?

Cause I'm voting gera, a different scum

Dwlee99 · Post Post #817 (isolation #90) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:28 am

How are wiki and I both "scum friendly town" if we have basically opposite reads?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #824 (isolation #91) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:38 am

In post 820, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 817, Dwlee99 wrote:How are wiki and I both "scum friendly town" if we have basically opposite reads?

It’s not about having same reads.

Wiki
's logic to scum hunt is not helping town ⇨ helping scum

Your tunnelling on town (me) without reconsidering ⇨ helping scum

Literally the only thing Wiki has said correctly this game is that meta is bad and ofc it's the thing you disagree with

Dwlee99 · Post Post #889 (isolation #92) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:49 am

VOTE: Salsa
Cool

Dwlee99 · Post Post #900 (isolation #93) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:57 am

In post 893, Salsabil Faria wrote:
@Andres
, please consider my points about
Dwlee
and
GE
after my flip.

What are your points exactly?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #909 (isolation #94) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:22 am

In post 902, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 900, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 893, Salsabil Faria wrote:
@Andres
, please consider my points about
Dwlee
and
GE
after my flip.
What are your points exactly?

I've green role pm.

That isn't a point about gamma or me

Dwlee99 · Post Post #932 (isolation #95) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:12 am

I don't scumread you cause of meta, Salsa...

Dwlee99 · Post Post #937 (isolation #96) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:14 am

In post 934, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 932, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't scumread you cause of meta, Salsa...

Sure!

When have I ever scumread someone cause meta

Dwlee99 · Post Post #962 (isolation #97) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:28 am

In post 948, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 937, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 934, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 932, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't scumread you cause of meta, Salsa...

Sure!
When have I ever scumread someone cause meta

Then how it’s possible for such an experienced player like you to always scumread me on every town games of mine??

1.) I'm bad
2.) You literally scum claim in half of them

Dwlee99 · Post Post #973 (isolation #98) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:40 am

The towniest part of salsa here is that wiki wants her dead

Dwlee99 · Post Post #975 (isolation #99) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:56 am

Not because I think you're mafia lol

Dwlee99 · Post Post #977 (isolation #100) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:11 am

Ico seems townie though

Dwlee99 · Post Post #980 (isolation #101) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:14 am

I have over a hundred games on this site alone dude

Read page 4 + 5 and his interactions with me

Dwlee99 · Post Post #981 (isolation #102) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:14 am

Also illogical =/= scum

Dwlee99 · Post Post #984 (isolation #103) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:23 am

I never called you an idiot

Your method of reading just isn't good imo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #985 (isolation #104) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:24 am

In post 983, Wiki wrote:or you are just a noob

Dwlee99 wrote:I have over a hundred games on this site alone dude

Dwlee99 · Post Post #988 (isolation #105) » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:44 am

A50 why not salsa

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:05 am

I don't believe in meta so you don't have to worry about that. It's the one thing I think we agree on.

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:20 am

In post 993, Wiki wrote:
In post 991, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't believe in meta so you don't have to worry about that. It's the one thing I think we agree on.
so what the reason?

He plays like I expect town to

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:25 am

How tho. You don't have 7 votes

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:20 am

Why the fuck are you voting wiki rn datisi

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:45 am

Salsa is just scummy my guy

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:49 am

I feel like she should know better than a day cop guilty in a normal when she made 397

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:44 am

I really just want salsa flipped and next day phase

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:44 am

This dialogue is going to kill game state and thread motivation just stop

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:50 am

In post 1127, Datisi wrote:
In post 1122, Dwlee99 wrote:I really just want salsa flipped and next day phase
again, convince me that salsa is a better flip than wiki

Wiki is probably town. He reminds me of LQ when he scumreads every townie and does this

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:18 am

Did salsa just say she has never seen me tunnel as town

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:22 am

In post 1149, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 1145, Dwlee99 wrote:Did salsa just say she has never seen me tunnel as town

As far as I remember, yes?

I did it in t3's mini

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:29 am

In post 420, Dwlee99 wrote:
Not dealing with jailWiki
Dwlee99
Iconeum
Datisi
Andresvmb

T3
Selynee (preflips)
Three

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Dorsey

Salsabil Faria
geraintm

Pedit: there's 4 scum, 6 is a fine pool to be looking in, here's where I'm at though

Salsa what's your take on my list here

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:55 am

Did I locktown gamma? That would help my poe if I did

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:56 am

In post 1164, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 1150, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1149, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 1145, Dwlee99 wrote:Did salsa just say she has never seen me tunnel as town

As far as I remember, yes?
I did it in t3's mini

Oh yes, forgot about this, you tunneled ssbm there but eventually started to reevaluate later and won the game for towns.
But here in my case, you seem can't stand my presence. Did I do something which you can't be over with? Can't remember tbh.

You're just scummy and I mean I could see you flipping town here but also I have a town list I don't see reasons to make smaller rn and I want you to at least give me a name in my bottom two chunks you'd vote

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:01 am

T3 I need a scum on my desk by tonight

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:02 am

3 days ago is a long time especially with an exam I studied all of last weekend and this week for

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:07 am

VOTE: Dorsey

Dwlee99 · Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:12 am

It's customary to start off tunneling a townie in my experience

Dwlee99 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:43 am

Wiki is it Gera, salsa, and gamma, and Dorsey? What do you think of Dorsey

Dwlee99 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:44 am

Or is fourth datisi

Dwlee99 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:42 am

Hm I am seeing your train of thought here

I will vote within Gera/Salsa/Dorsey/Gamma today

Dwlee99 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:45 am

T3 what's your list of people to kill today?

Dwlee99 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:27 am

There are 4 mafia this game

Dwlee99 · Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:29 am

Oh I thought you were asking how many scum were in the game, not how many in those 5 people

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:50 am

So Ico wrote a lot of words but wiki is very obviously not Cyrus imo so I'm surprised y'all thought so

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:17 am

In post 1465, Andresvmb wrote:And look at who happen to be the two leading wagons right now. If I had to guess, they’re both Town.

Okay so who is evil

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:56 am

Do you know how to read t3, Andres?

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:01 am

I find t3 impossible to read but fair enough

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:02 am

The one time I found them as scum I had PoE'd the game and then just started looking for anything to case them to convince people to not kill my townread

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:03 am

Anyway I think you're wrong assuming that salsa/Dorsey/Gera are all town. Could I be wrong on my poe list? I mean, maybe, but also, no.

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:03 am

As in, I'd have to be more wrong than I think I am

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:25 am

In post 1489, Datisi wrote:andres, why is salsa town?
dwlee, why is salsa scum?

PoE + she is tonally scummy and is doing some ridiculous ate stuff but when does she not amirite

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:26 am

In post 1491, Looker wrote:
In post 1483, Dwlee99 wrote:Do you know how to read t3, Andres?
Extremely subjective IMO. Is there some standard, non-evolving method of reading a particular player that can be publicized and referenced?
In post 1487, Dwlee99 wrote:Anyway I think you're wrong assuming that salsa/Dorsey/Gera are all town. Could I be wrong on my poe list? I mean, maybe, but also, no.
Can you reference any posts? I'm trying to catch up. What make you think your reasoning is superior to Andres's?
In post 1488, Dwlee99 wrote:As in, I'd have to be more wrong than I think I am
So self-serving bias?
In post 1489, Datisi wrote:andres, why
DO YOU THINK
salsa
IS
town?
dwlee, why
DO YOU THINK
salsa
IS
scum?
Lol, this game is going to be something

I mean I just apply my mental tell book to people. And by tell book I mean there's a black box in my brain. But some people that black box has more trouble reading than others, in my experience.

My reasoning is better cause Andres makes too many assumptions about the game state.

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:31 am

I give reasons, don't worry, Looker. Sometimes. Anyway, andres' assumptions are about how scum would be playing (no bussing I think?) and some other gamestatey things I don't agree with. The conclusion of those assumptions is that dorsey/gera/salsa are all town. I don't agree with the assumptions or the conclusions

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:41 am

In post 1592, Andresvmb wrote:It’s interesting that the minute that I started arguing for T3 to be pushed and they gather some votes, T3 starts posting a lot to increase their thread presence (probably to diffuse pressure). Not sure what it means yet.

P sure t3 just periodically does that

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:44 am

I haven't figured that out yet

T3 is someone I'll probably be able to read better later so I kinda want to shelve him if you're shelving gera

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:48 am

I've only played with scum!t3 once and I think he was mislimmed every other time (except the one he was conftown). Is that history correct, t3?

Dwlee99 · Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:33 pm

Not the one I destroyed you in t3 <3

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:51 am

Dorsey how do you think we should find mafia

I agree people can be toxic but calling talking to each other "meaningless rhetoric" or whatever is just criticizing how the game works at all

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:56 am

Idk who is evil anymore someone help

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:02 am

Gera plays weird always

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:32 am

In post 1691, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1689, Dwlee99 wrote:Gera plays weird always
I think you need to make a genuine effort to try and sort T3 here.

Also, if you assume Dorsey is Town, what do you think that points to?

Okay

T3 come be sorted

I'm using bogo sort so it might take a while...

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:56 am

In post 1697, Dorsey wrote:@Dwlee - I like the game, I think it's fun, but I think something deeper is going on when it's not lighthearted. And I think you find mafia by randomly pressing different spots until you find a pattern or something to go on, which I think is becoming more apparent: some slots are getting pressed whereas others are not - why? What connection do they have with each other? And how can you clarify that when the "logic" being proposed is inconsistent and cherry-picked? I mean, if you're protecting your friend because you want to play with them longer, just say that. But saying that I'm not contributing because you didn't understand one of my posts is a joke I feel is going over everyone's head but mine.

I feel like I need examples cause I don't think I'm reading closely enough to know what your vague references to events mean

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:00 am

Andres I see you also have too many townreads

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:02 am

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna adjust your reads list with a criteria of my read on them can move them up or down, but not unilaterally (ie, it will average our reads)

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:03 am

Lean Town
{Selynee, Dwlee99, Iconeum}
Slight Lean Town
{Three, geraintm, Wiki, Dorsey}
Neutral
{Almost50, Salsabil Faria}
Slight Lean Scum
{T3, Datisi}
Lean Scum
{ }
Uncertain
{Looker [Gamma Emerald]}

?

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:12 am

You're at the top

Why am I one of your top townreads again? Wasn't there something about me being sus for too strong emotions?

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:26 am

I have a feeling about something

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:27 am

But I don't want to disclose it

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:27 am

Actually maybe, okay I think Andres is very town here. I'm not reconsidering that slot ever. If there's a cop guilty I am limming the cop claim first at this point

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:06 am

No one

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:55 am

Are we seriously on page 70? What the heck y'all

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:21 pm

In post 1699, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1697, Dorsey wrote:@Dwlee - I like the game, I think it's fun, but I think something deeper is going on when it's not lighthearted. And I think you find mafia by randomly pressing different spots until you find a pattern or something to go on, which I think is becoming more apparent: some slots are getting pressed whereas others are not - why? What connection do they have with each other? And how can you clarify that when the "logic" being proposed is inconsistent and cherry-picked? I mean, if you're protecting your friend because you want to play with them longer, just say that. But saying that I'm not contributing because you didn't understand one of my posts is a joke I feel is going over everyone's head but mine.
I feel like I need examples cause I don't think I'm reading closely enough to know what your vague references to events mean

@Dorsey

Dwlee99 · Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:24 pm

In post 1703, Dorsey wrote:Datisi protecting Almost50 and T3, Ico siding with Datisi, everyone thinking Datisi is town for zero reason.

Oh this is the response. Okay.

Okay so what are the conclusions here

Is datisi protecting them cause he's scum? Is ico scum with datisi? Is everyone thinking datisi town mean that datisi is town being possibly TMI'd by scum + town reading correctly, or do you think that scum are just town reading each other here?

Dwlee99 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:50 am

Dwlee99 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:55 am

T3 it isn't just your walls that I ignore, don't worry

Dwlee99 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:56 am

How about this....give me your most convincing scumread and like 2 or 3 sentences and I'll tell you if you're town off of it

Dwlee99 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:56 am

Dwlee99 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:13 am

In post 1913, Dorsey wrote:This is what I was talking about, Dwlee99 - isn't that shit weird? There HAS to be something deeper going on.

No I have no idea

Dwlee99 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:16 am

In post 1925, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1922, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1913, Dorsey wrote:This is what I was talking about, Dwlee99 - isn't that shit weird? There HAS to be something deeper going on.
No I have no idea
Dwleeee hiiiiii
We got off on the wrong foot this game - i'm sorry for disliking your opening moves

mind helping me assemble a few townies that we can work together with? ur (somewhat?) townreading me yeah?

Andres, you, wiki town is where I feel most comfortable rn.

Dwlee99 · Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:01 am

T3, if scum, is going to help us kill his partners here I think

I can consider voting three

Dwlee99 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:09 am

In post 2036, Andresvmb wrote:I would like to see some more meaningful votes from {DW, Looker, geraintm, A50}, and to a lesser extent Salsa. Wiki and DW are definitely not getting executed today, and Looker and DW are just straight up not voting with 2 days to go.

Ill try to be here tomorrow. No mafia today

Dwlee99 · Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:28 pm

Three are u town

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:18 am

In post 2174, ChaosOmega wrote:
Votecount 1.14

Three (3) - Datisi, T3, Salsabil Faria
Datisi (3) - Three, Dorsey, Looker
T3 (2) - Selynee, Wiki
Looker (1) - Iconeum
Salsabil Faria (1) - geraintm
Wiki (1) - Almost50

Not Voting (2) - Andresvmb, Dwlee99

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline
: (expired on 2021-10-31 06:52:46)

Wow I feel good about nothing

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:27 am

In post 2208, Wiki wrote:
In post 2207, Dwlee99 wrote:Wow I feel good about nothing
you wanted to elim salsa, what about that?

Idk

I've kind of mentally checked out of everyone the past few days

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:27 am

Everything*

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:16 am

With three a claimed VT it isn't the worst thing in the world if he is town to flip him here. And if Andres is behind it I feel okay voting there. I agree with Andres on the feeling disarmed by t3's reaction but I'm trying to remember if something similar happened in opposum mafia

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:15 am

VOTE: Three

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:17 am

People who have been paying attention: is there a list of people wiki has accused and not accused?

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:04 pm

eh I've fake claimed VT as a power role before

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:05 pm

Something something mechs bad? lol

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:05 pm

I'm a little confused why three called it jailer though

that's not a role

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:06 pm

Now I'm questioning if the NRG would allow aliases like that hm

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:53 pm

In post 2428, Dorsey wrote:And Dwlee, if you've fake claimed VT as PR before, why are you still voting Three? I don't understand.

Well we have a CC and the way he did it was weird

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:26 pm

I would hammer, but alas, there is no double voting role

Dwlee99 · Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:46 pm

He is claiming <something> jailkeeper I think

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:40 am

Why did he play like that as a power role bruh

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:04 am

Dude you claimed jailkeeper

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:43 am

VOTE: WikiVOTE:
Y'all please

Idec if this is town, he needs death now

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:43 am

VOTE: wiki
Also this game is so doomer with two PRs dead oof

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:16 pm

In post 2589, geraintm wrote:Quickly going to post, I ain't voting wiki today

Malding rn

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:42 pm

Yea wiki it's called distancing idc

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:00 pm

You're the one who counterclaimed him and the reason he got limmed. But ok

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:19 pm

Yea no you're just scum

die pls

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:52 pm

Dwlee99 · Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:24 pm

What is the deja Vu

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:42 am

Gera are your seriously saying datisi and I are scum for voting a variety of people during day one

Jfc

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:43 am

Wiki needs to be limmed here. HE COUNTER CLAIMED A ROLE HE DOESN'T HAVE

AND YOU ALL WANT TO LET HIM LIVE

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:44 am

Sorry if it's rude to all caps but seriously, are you all okay?

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:44 am

Lol I feel like Datisi in TTTT after pooky lol hammered t3 and I was like "but I think pooky is town :^)"

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:53 am

In post 2603, Wiki wrote:Wiki Oct 19, 06:12am Nov 01, 11:20pm 0 days 0 hours 739

Also realizing how suffocating this kind of thing makes the game

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:33 am

Gera you realize that uh there is a person who was also on the wagon that killed three? And counterclaimed him? And without he counterclaim the wagon probably doesn't go through?

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:40 am

If Wiki is town then the whole game is probably lost by him alone and I'm okay with that scenario

Dwlee99 · Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:43 pm

In post 2623, Enchant wrote:
In post 2620, Dwlee99 wrote:If Wiki is town then the whole game is probably lost by him alone and I'm okay with that scenario
I am not okay with lose and it doesh't matter what it caused.

I am not saying Wiki is town for sure, i think we need consider if he is really VI.

I don't want to lose but he claimed PR and then counter claimed jailkeeper. If he is town it's his fault