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[Salsabil Faria]

Sup babes!
I can do

Dwlee

for no reason (don't catch up yet).

VOTE: Dwlee

[Salsabil Faria]

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

Hard claim

Hard claim 2

I am already VOTE: dwlee

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

Oh,

Dwlee

already have guilty on their back, lovely

[Salsabil Faria]

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

Oops!

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Wiki

[Salsabil Faria]

Sup babes!
I can do

Dwlee

for no reason (don't catch up yet).

VOTE: Dwlee

Woot??

FoS Salsabil (for sneaking into the game without greeting me)

Let me breath! How are you btw?

[Salsabil Faria]

Datisi

is already fighting with people, good good...

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa rolled scum too I think

Keep thinking

[Salsabil Faria]

Scums: Dwlee, Datisi.

Ok scum dAy cOp

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa rolled scum too I think

Sure looks like it, but I only have one vote

Salsa rolled scum too I think

i also thought her intro was tonally *off*, though at this point i feel like i have way too many scumleans, even for this game

You guys have more days to tunnel the shut out of me. I want a D1 pass as I joined late and not interest in catching up atm.

[Salsabil Faria]

If traitor game then Gera > salsa > a50 has a decent chance of winning imo

I'm town.

[Salsabil Faria]

So funny how Dwlee99 is trying to show how he is searching scums the second day in row. Just look at his fake attempts. Check his iso. Today. And remember how he was looking for scums yesterday, telling to everyone, that he has a nice plan for win. Ansolutely useless activity. What he has done already? Nothing useful. This is not a townie.
I will check later who saw us as tvt.
This funny list he made today and repeating it pn new page to show how useful he is, lol.

Dwlee is mafia, and there are maximum 1 mafia in people with 0-1-2 posts in my list. He didnt like my idea, that mafia are among actove players too, though he has no reasons at all to argue with me in that.

I mean,

Dwlee

's play seems scummy generally if you never played with them before. They're deep wolf type as scum. But I want to talk about your

day cop

claim, is the claim solid?

[Salsabil Faria]

salsa might be town but unless she play non-jestery I won't oppose votes on her

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: salsabil faria
nah.

[Salsabil Faria]

pretty much, and yet also not really
I'm willing to tolerate play that's scummy-looking from salsa except when it's the sort of antagonistic shit like 460, and 462 also makes me very disinclined to give her any room to breathe

I'm not scared of you or anyone...

Dwlee

can be scum given that how easily (and quickly) they came into a conclusion from my 1st one or two posts and I'm one of the strong scumreads now.

[Salsabil Faria]

I know you can play well. As such I'm not going to manufacture excuses for you.

O M G!!!!!
Am I being released from your bad player jail??????

[Salsabil Faria]

Sup babes!
I can do

Dwlee

for no reason (don't catch up yet).

VOTE: Dwlee

Woot??

FoS Salsabil (for sneaking into the game without greeting me)

Let me breath! How are you btw?

OK, breathe. Now tell me: What's the colour of your Role in your Role PM?

Spoiler:

I'm green babe and innocent Don't let the red ones to eat me

[Salsabil Faria]

yeah

Thank you so much! MUAH!!

[Salsabil Faria]

Read upto page 5,

ico

seems scummy atm.

[Salsabil Faria]

being scummy doesn't make you mafia.

[Salsabil Faria]

pretty much, and yet also not really
I'm willing to tolerate play that's scummy-looking from salsa except when it's the sort of antagonistic shit like 460, and 462 also makes me very disinclined to give her any room to breathe

is she more likely to show such antagonistic behaviour when she's scum, or is this some sorta weird policy vote?

He doesn't play with scum!me yet + it's a policy vote. He (for whatever reason) doesn't like my playstyle and I don't give a damn.

[Salsabil Faria]

and re: three, uh. while i agree it was a sorta clumsy metaphor, i thought "speaking russian = being russian" there? like, "if one of them speaks russian, the other one does not" doesn't imply "one of them speaks russian", just like "if one of them is scum, the other isn't" doesn't imply "one of them is scum".

obviously correct me if i'm wrong, but i think you're looking too deep into it

I don't think I'm looking too deep into it, I barely understand the point of what she's saying there and I'm kind of confused by your own interpretation of it.

I read the Russian thing like this: If one is scum then the other is not, so they're (

Dwlee

&

Wiki

I suppose) TvS.

[Salsabil Faria]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa rolled scum too I think

i also thought her intro was tonally *off*, though at this point i feel like i have way too many scumleans, even for this game

Agreed, and I also like this observation.

Are you rolled scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

is she more likely to show such antagonistic behaviour when she's scum, or is this some sorta weird policy vote?

it's more policy, though yes I kinda feel like the antagonism is in a way a scumtell

GE

,

Dwlee

,

T3

,

Datisi

: one scum is here (feeling it), won't be surprised if 2...

[Salsabil Faria]

No, I just don't know any other way to get into the game.

I very very very much like this sequence from Dorsey. He looks like newbtown out of water in a sense.

Hmm

[Salsabil Faria]

This doesn’t feel like lemin demin Salsa but I’ll need more time.

Oh no you're absolutely right that Lemon Demon Salsa never posted like that.
As an FYI there's some posting by Salsa I did like after I voted her

In every freaking game of mine, there was someone to tell this: SF didn't post like

this

in

that

game, SF didn't play like

this

in

that

game and surprisingly I was town in all of those games! SHOCKING

[Salsabil Faria]

Actually I'm liking

Three

, though don't read after page 5 yet, not sure about

Sely

....

[Salsabil Faria]

Why not? I mean, feel free to share.

I… just don’t have any more thoughts. The part where you talk about Andrea seemed designed to make it seem like you’re making discussion while pocketing Andres.

Why? All I asked at that point was his read on Dwelee. Given that he said mine was wishy washy.

But I like you think I could pocket an experienced player.

You're also an experienced player considering your join date.

[Salsabil Faria]

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

Oops!

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Wiki

odd how no one jumped on you for the same vote as me....

Cause I asked for a D1 pass

[Salsabil Faria]

OK, breathe. Now tell me: What's the colour of your Role in your Role PM?

are you allowed to ask that sort of question? i thought all player - mod related correspondence was off limits?

Nah, this type of question is allowed.

[Salsabil Faria]

Gera should be town.

Can you explain please?

[Salsabil Faria]

This is starting to feel like homework. Can someone tell me what's happening? I don't know where it stopped being jokes and started being serious suspicions. Has it started being serious suspicions? Is that something that's supposed to be said out loud?

Not liking this post.

[Salsabil Faria]

After reading up to page 10, I'm ok with my

Wiki

vote (I played with town!LQ once. If he is really LQ then there is a sky-ground difference).
Still can't figure out about

Sely

, maybe getting cold feet or something, dunno...

[Salsabil Faria]

Gera should be town.

Can you explain please?

Selynee (5) - Almost50, Three, Datisi, Iconeum T3

UNVOTE:
actually not sure how much of a fan of this wagon i am
a50 is shitposting and not really doing anything, three had that weird post towards sel that i thought was bad-faithy, and t3's hop on is weirdly out of the blue

let's try uhhh
one two seven VOTE: three

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

I think Datisi tried to save Selynee here. Though he is unlikely together with Three, Im not so sure about Gera. But in that moment Datisi could be looking for whom to push much instead of his partner Selynee.

meh, sure
VOTE: selynee

i do think sel/wiki are unlikely to be s/s (or at least, something pinged me that way back when i was reading, i forgot what by now)

[Salsabil Faria]

Flash wagon on

Wiki

, anyone?

At least he is not a town's important role with such behaviour and confidence.
In the best case scenario he is just a ruiner. We dont need him to win, he can help scums to win.

VOTE: Wiki

[Salsabil Faria]

249? So what?

Actually I didn't realize the post number was after, sorry about that.
But you seem independently scummy, my vote stays.

[Salsabil Faria]

After reading up to page 10, I'm ok with my

Wiki

vote (I played with town!LQ once. If he is really LQ then there is a sky-ground difference).
Still can't figure out about

Sely

, maybe getting cold feet or something, dunno...

Where did you play with town!LQ, because in my exp he is an absolute chaotic dumba**

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87429

[Salsabil Faria]

is she more likely to show such antagonistic behaviour when she's scum, or is this some sorta weird policy vote?

it's more policy, though yes I kinda feel like the antagonism is in a way a scumtell

GE

,

Dwlee

,

T3

,

Datisi

: one scum is here (feeling it), won't be surprised if 2...

posts like this, throwing out there is scum in a group of 4 players, is useless.

1 naughty point for you

[Salsabil Faria]

249? So what?

Actually I didn't realize the post number was after, sorry about that.
But you seem independently scummy, my vote stays.

Mindblowing. You just didnt read neither my post, nor Datisi's. Nevertheless you tried to protect him with using his vote to Seny (like "do you see this? he is not with her, he is voting her!")... And the strangest thing here, that when you are realised your mistake, that you completely hadnt understood the argument about Datisi, you still have no doubts that im a scum. Logics is dead.

No, I read but didn’t realize

Datisi

's unvote post (the one you quoted) actually happened later as I didn’t check the post number. I read upto page 10 and the pages after I joined.

I scumread you because of your day cop claim (because normal games don't have day cop) which I asked you later if the claim was serious but you ignored it. And after reading up to page 10, there was nothing to change my vote on you.

Logic can be bad and you can be stupid, so whatever.

[Salsabil Faria]

This doesn’t feel like lemin demin Salsa but I’ll need more time.

Oh no you're absolutely right that Lemon Demon Salsa never posted like that.
As an FYI there's some posting by Salsa I did like after I voted her

In every freaking game of mine, there was someone to tell this: SF didn't post like

this

in

that

game, SF didn't play like

this

in

that

game and surprisingly I was town in all of those games! SHOCKING

wait weren't you scum that game? or am i just completely tripping.

Titus nk me before elo and win!

[Salsabil Faria]

Dwlee can be scum given that how easily (and quickly) they came into a conclusion from my 1st one or two posts and I'm one of the strong scumreads now.

yeah well. I saw what they did and i'm more comfortable townreading dwlee because of it

Why?

[Salsabil Faria]

Openwolfing exists

[Salsabil Faria]

and re: three, uh. while i agree it was a sorta clumsy metaphor, i thought "speaking russian = being russian" there? like, "if one of them speaks russian, the other one does not" doesn't imply "one of them speaks russian", just like "if one of them is scum, the other isn't" doesn't imply "one of them is scum".

obviously correct me if i'm wrong, but i think you're looking too deep into it

I don't think I'm looking too deep into it, I barely understand the point of what she's saying there and I'm kind of confused by your own interpretation of it.

I read the Russian thing like this: If one is scum then the other is not, so they're (

Dwlee

&

Wiki

I suppose) TvS.

Got the first part correctly, the second wrong.

Which one is wrong?

[Salsabil Faria]

Messed up with the quote, sorry!

[Salsabil Faria]

If one is scum the other is not. Correct. I didn't say anything about it being necessarily TvS.

Isn’t it the same thing?

[Salsabil Faria]

Openwolfing exists

They said my read on them is fake. I said there is only one reason I'd fake a scum read on someone- cuz I'm mafia. Correct till here, right? So, I said if that's what they believe, should make a case and try to elim me. Correct, right?

"I like you think I could pocket an experienced player". Could...as in, no, I don't think I could but I like the idea. As in "I like you think I could be a lawyer". No where did I say that's what I do...Plus where on Earth would be my mafia motivation as a person who never rolled mafia to go around saying "Oh, yes, I totally could pocket people"

Three

said they're voting you to create pressure not because to eliminate you... there is a difference. Sometimes (in case of openwolfing particularly) to sort the player, creating pressure on them helps and it’s not a scummy thing to do as town. I'm understanding

Three

's pov here because your playstyle seems weird. But yes, they can be scum who is trying to miseliminate you but I don’t any scum ping from their posts yet (talking about up to 10 pages + after my joining pages), so yeah...

About the last paragraph, I don’t know your meta so can't tell if this

pocketing thing

makes you town or not. But it's hard to believe that you

never

rolled scum before considering your join date.

[Salsabil Faria]

I can do

A50

also, they were more active as town even in the D1 iirr + no one considering

Wiki

anymore ig.

UNVOTE: Wiki

VOTE: A50

[Salsabil Faria]

584 did make me wonder if i'm getting white-knighted. thonk.

Heard the term before but didn’t understand then, can you explain please?

I scumread you because of your day cop claim (because normal games don't have day cop)

which I asked you later if the claim was serious but you ignored it. And after reading up to page 10, there was nothing to change my vote on you.

why is the bolded scummy?

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

Oops!

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Wiki

Though I don’t understand (don't fully catch up yet) why you vote

gera

instead of

Wiki

who fake claimed for tunnelling

Dwlee

to death.

[Salsabil Faria]

I feel there’s a Scum in 4 names? Yeah, that’s actually what I would be saying as Scum to avoid any accountability and seem like I’m contributing.

Why can't town!me give names if I think there is a 1/2 scum(s) there? And I'm not avoiding anything, those 4's scumread on me is biased af, so it’s not out of the context to state that if any of them is scum, they're using this to miseliminate me.

[Salsabil Faria]

Because Wiki is obvtown???

How?

[Salsabil Faria]

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

Oops!

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Wiki

odd how no one jumped on you for the same vote as me....

could it be because salsa's vote was a random vote with no reasoning while your vote was framed in a way that would very much allow you to keep pushing people for very lhf reasons? odd indeed.

Sup babes!
I can do

Dwlee

for no reason (don't catch up yet).

VOTE: Dwlee

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

Hard claim

Hard claim 2

I am already VOTE: dwlee

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

Oh,

Dwlee

already have guilty on their back, lovely

sorry if i misread their posts here, but it didnt feel random to me with their back to back posts

Actually it’s random at first, then I saw your post and it changed to serious.

[Salsabil Faria]

What scum would do all the shit Wiki has done, especially newbscum?

I don't have any meta on them, so can't tell if they're new or not.
But what about traitor?

[Salsabil Faria]

579 is vaguely kind of townie for geraintm? maybe? should i be townleaning a player for giving thoughts on day 1 after repeatedly saying they hate day 1? andres help pls

my post 579 is no different to other games ive played where i've kept a track of bad posts on day 1. i think in the past ive used it to try and give me pointers on where to look day 2.
though i have almost always been wrong, so maybe i should be using them to look elsehwere?

You're wrong on me again.

Btw, I also have

gera

meta, played once with them. They were inactive throughout that game because of rl work. Meanwhile they appeared as ic and tunneled me from D1.

[Salsabil Faria]

Sely

seems genuine in page 26, as in she actually believes what she is thinking/posting.

[Salsabil Faria]

Daitsi, Ico, Gamma, Three, Andre/A50

This actually feels quite solid
Only slot I’m even vaguely questioning is A50 and he’s active at least, so he should be readable as time passses

Good job

GE

, towncore achieved! Now I understand your

Wiki

hard love....

[Salsabil Faria]

Read up to page 15, page 12 & 13 made my day
Now, I can see why

Wiki

is obvtown (I can't stop laughing!!)

Btw, it’s raise a question towards

GE

, I was way less hostile/destructive but you decided to not play with me anymore or even talk to me. But for

Wiki

, you're way more generous! Is you bad player jail got full? Or your

stance

chang when you rolled scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

T3

feels townie due to meta, not sure about

Dwlee

because of their bias scumread on me.

Andres

also seems town.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa, dont play only using meta. It is not reliably at all. It works mostly only with noobs and until they decide to try hard to copy their meta or play in different styles every game not depending on their role. I know many players who love scum role so much and meta usually doesnt work, their game is so balanced. It is better to use logics in every moment of reading a person.

Logics are bad

[Salsabil Faria]

Tbf, I also didn’t get what

Sely

was saying at first using different phrases but now that I questioned her, the confusion get cleared.
Interesting fact is that, why

Three

still can't understand what she is saying where I joined late and understood her saying already.

@Three

mainly....

[Salsabil Faria]

@salsa, white knighting is when a person (generally scum) defneds someone (generally town) under fire

why are you ing at that? like, explain to me why fakeclaiming daycop is scummy.

I saw the 3 posts of

Wiki

's from

gera

's post where they hard claim guilty on

Dwlee

as a day cop which you later said isn’t normal to have in normal games. Didn’t read the early pages that moment.

[Salsabil Faria]

And I'm not avoiding anything, those 4's scumread on me is biased af, so it’s not out of the context to state that if any of them is scum, they're using this to miseliminate me.

do you think that those 4 people are scummy for their read on you?

Maybe but not all 4 though. I mainly said if any of them are scum, then they can use this

biasness

towards me without creating any suspicious towards them.

[Salsabil Faria]

that doesn't answer my question. i get that daycop isn't a normal role. but why is fakeclaiming it scummy.

Cause I didn’t read the game and didn’t know that they fakeclaimed it to tunnel

Dwlee

for whatever reason.
I entered the game with

Dwlee

vote (RVS) without knowing what is happening in the game, then saw

gera

's post where

Wiki

hard claimed guilty on

Dwlee

makes my RVS vote serious. Then saw your post saying day vig isn’t normal, thus vote

Wiki

. But it g_t cleared today as I read up to page 15 and know that they fake claimed.

[Salsabil Faria]

^is not scummy anymore.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't see the obvious

A50

town thing

ico

.

@Wiki

, stop using logic, will hurt your brain.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.

Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...

Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.

Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...

Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?

This feels pretty scum indicative. I don't know how you could be so lost on who to vote for that you need someone to tell you who to vote.

VOTE: Salsa

That's not happened here what you think. You really have understanding problem or you are desperate scum, looking for anything to push.

[Salsabil Faria]

Read up to page 15, page 12 & 13 made my day
Now, I can see why

Wiki

is obvtown (I can't stop laughing!!)

Btw, it’s raise a question towards

GE

, I was way less hostile/destructive but you decided to not play with me anymore or even talk to me. But for

Wiki

, you're way more generous! Is you bad player jail got full? Or your

stance

chang when you rolled scum?

I could see the town motive for Wiki’s actions way easier than for yours.

Perfect! Then it’s YOUR problem, not the other person's problem.

[Salsabil Faria]

Ico trs: seny,andre,wiki,gamma,datisi,a50, dwlee (firstly he sred him).
Ico's votes: datisi,a50,dwlee,wiki,sely,wiki

Ico is mafia

And what is the logic here?

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Icon

[Salsabil Faria]

What scum would do all the shit Wiki has done, especially newbscum?

In isolation I'd say this is Town Gamma, unless Gamma wants to pocket Wiki for some odd reason.

Re 767: I'm town.
Not sure about scum!

Datisi

yet and

Wiki

isn’t scum imo, which left

ico

but

GE

also voted

ico

, so I'm not sure about this also.

Scum need

Wiki

to be alive in this game. Scum!

GE

's buddy attempt isn’t that weird imo. Like

Dwlee

said,

Wiki

won't be night killed. So, if they get eliminated in the day phase, scum can use their defending

Wiki

thing as a way out.

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: A50

VOTE: GE

[Salsabil Faria]

Elim Ico

Check/block/shoot or smth here: Datisi/Salsa.

I've a better logic: kill

Wiki

[Salsabil Faria]

Can we vote gera

What’s is the case on

gera

?

[Salsabil Faria]

Can we vote gera

I was, but apparently someone thinks I'm a better lim, so I'm just being a team player.

You can also vote salsa

Pathetic

[Salsabil Faria]

i know "lie is a bad thing" is a newbie thought process, no fucking shit, that's what i said. that's why i'm asking salsa about her read on your slot. because it's such newbie level thinking that i don't think town!salsa would be having it. but i am

not

defending you from her attacks, i'm asking her reasoning behind them.

that doesn't answer my question. i get that daycop isn't a normal role. but why is fakeclaiming it scummy.

Cause I didn’t read the game and didn’t know that they fakeclaimed it to tunnel

Dwlee

for whatever reason.
I entered the game with

Dwlee

vote (RVS) without knowing what is happening in the game, then saw

gera

's post where

Wiki

hard claimed guilty on

Dwlee

makes my RVS vote serious. Then saw your post saying day vig isn’t normal, thus vote

Wiki

. But it g_t cleared today as I read up to page 15 and know that they fake claimed.

^is not scummy anymore.

[Salsabil Faria]

Can we vote gera

What’s is the case on

gera

?

That he has a red role pm

If you don't want to engage with me you can tell me that you know...

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa I'm very confident you're gonna flip red but I know you have to pretend you won't and that is sad

Pathetic (2)

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa I'm very confident you're gonna flip red but I know you have to pretend you won't and that is sad

Pathetic (2)

To the town (not the crazy ones), after my flip, not let this go away. I'm saying this, because people don't consider my posts/reads even if I flip green

[Salsabil Faria]

My

gera

meta,

Dwlee

was also there in that game but for some reason not considering this now:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211

[Salsabil Faria]

But I'm seeing the play differently thing, seems similar.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not*

[Salsabil Faria]

Can we vote gera

What’s is the case on

gera

?

Can we vote gera

What’s is the case on

gera

?

That he has a red role pm

Literally just ignore Wiki datisi. Why are you engaging there

i can't ignore someone who's making such bullshit arguments at me, because people are lazy and might decide to just sheep him without fact checking

can you give me a case on scum!gera while i catch up please

7 pages already!

This game is going to be too much.





[Space left intentionally blank to crumb]

VOTE: dwlee

Scum entrance

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

Hard claim

Hard claim 2

I am already VOTE: dwlee

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

This post didn't quote for some reason but this is also part of scum entrance

[Salsabil Faria]

^They have no interest to sort me or engage with me, only here to tunnel me.

[Salsabil Faria]

Where?
As town, you can't be so sure on anyone but you're that sure on me on D1 already?? Why not voting me then and convince people to eliminate me if you're

that

sure?

[Salsabil Faria]

4 scums + 2 scum friendly towns (if

Dwlee

is town, not sure yet;

Wiki

is destructive town imo) ⇨ town is screwed already

[Salsabil Faria]

Where?
As town, you can't be so sure on anyone but you're that sure on me on D1 already?? Why not voting me then and convince people to eliminate me if you're

that

sure?

Cause I'm voting gera, a different scum

K

[Salsabil Faria]

What scum would do all the shit Wiki has done, especially newbscum?

In isolation I'd say this is Town Gamma, unless Gamma wants to pocket Wiki for some odd reason.

Re 767: I'm town.
Not sure about scum!

Datisi

yet and

Wiki

isn’t scum imo, which left

ico

but

GE

also voted

ico

, so I'm not sure about this also.

Scum need

Wiki

to be alive in this game. Scum!

GE

's buddy attempt isn’t that weird imo. Like

Dwlee

said,

Wiki

won't be night killed. So, if they get eliminated in the day phase, scum can use their defending

Wiki

thing as a way out.

UNVOTE: A50

VOTE: GE

so you think I'm trying to keep Wiki alive as a game-ending mislim? I mean, that's kinda reasonable to think that, but nah, I'm just keeping limbait town from getting yeeted. Your consistent problem with that feels like you're upset I'm stonewalling your mislim chance.

Then vote me!

[Salsabil Faria]

How are wiki and I both "scum friendly town" if we have basically opposite reads?

It’s not about having same reads.

Wiki

's logic to scum hunt is not helping town ⇨ helping scum

Your tunnelling on town (me) without reconsidering ⇨ helping scum

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

[Salsabil Faria]

Re 824: I use meta and used correctly sometimes, sometimes don't..... that's my pov. But I don’t attack people for having different pov.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Your reactions to DW don’t make logical sense to me. DW expressed a high degree of certainty that you were Scum. You called that pathetic, and have heavily hinted at DW being bad Town. But why Town? And why so confrontational? DW isn’t actually a bad player. I just feel you should express more curiosity and less frustration towards DW and the view they’ve expressed. I would also argue DW is very much starting to feel like Town to me. It’s hard for players in general to be this pushy of a SR as Scum. It’s rare, and DW hasn’t operated like that if my recollection serves right. So I am starting to feel like you’re being forced into discrediting DW without calling them Scum, which is why I’ve voted you.

You’re also pushing Wiki who honestly seems almost like obvious Town to me. Or rather, I feel like the normal reaction to how Wiki is playing is to not want to execute it (Datisi’s “village idiot” description isn’t particularly charitable, but perhaps not that off target). I’m more inclined to want to give Wiki more time to see if their contributions are of any actual value.

We have history which you don't understand and I'm not interested to give any justification for that (my flip will clear this).

Dwlee

is in my null list atm, when I said they're bad town, I meant if they're town and I'm not sure if they're scum either. If anyone doesn’t want to engage with me, then I can't attempt to sort them.

Why I was on

Wiki

and I'm not on

Wiki

now has posted already in details. This also indicates you're accepting

Dwlee

's read on me without considering anything, not even reading my posts.

[Salsabil Faria]

I sheep Wiki. You talk too much to be scum.
VOTE: Iconeum

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa I am reading your posts. You’re alluding to background I don’t have. Not sure what I’m supposed to do with that. And I am posting my reactions as I have them. Yes you’ve changed your stance on Wiki. But it was obvious to me even when you first started attacking there. I’m not going to see that positively now am I?

Do you remember that I joined late in this game and said didn’t read anything? Or you think I'm lying about it?

[Salsabil Faria]

So scums: Ico, Dwlee,... +smb from Datisi/Andre/maybe even Gamma (unvoted from ico lol). And some of the silent players or maybe salsa

Yes, everyone one is scum except you.

[Salsabil Faria]

i know "lie is a bad thing" is a newbie thought process, no fucking shit, that's what i said. that's why i'm asking salsa about her read on your slot. because it's such newbie level thinking that i don't think town!salsa would be having it. but i am

not

defending you from her attacks, i'm asking her reasoning behind them.

that doesn't answer my question. i get that daycop isn't a normal role. but why is fakeclaiming it scummy.

Cause I didn’t read the game and didn’t know that they fakeclaimed it to tunnel

Dwlee

for whatever reason.
I entered the game with

Dwlee

vote (RVS) without knowing what is happening in the game, then saw

gera

's post where

Wiki

hard claimed guilty on

Dwlee

makes my RVS vote serious. Then saw your post saying day vig isn’t normal, thus vote

Wiki

. But it g_t cleared today as I read up to page 15 and know that they fake claimed.

^is not scummy anymore.

my question still isn't answered. "Then saw your post saying day vig isn’t normal, thus vote Wiki." why the thus?

As not an English native speaker, I don’t think I've ever used tough words that can go beyond anyone’s understanding. Yes, I do grammatical mistakes but still it’s understandable what I'm saying.
But on the other hand, you can understand hard phrases/words from others, even can correct someone if they misinterpret those words, but still don’t understand what I'm trying to say?

You're really not a stupid that you're trying to be here. Why are you doing this?

[Salsabil Faria]

Datisi sred a bit: ico, seny, gera...
Now datisi trs them.

i'm not sure if you've heard of it

it's called re-evaluating

[Salsabil Faria]

Wiki's logic to scum hunt is not helping town ⇨ helping scum

I will hammer you for this. Remember this.

Flash wagon on

Wiki

, anyone?

At least he is not a town's important role with such behaviour and confidence.
In the best case scenario he is just a ruiner. We dont need him to win, he can help scums to win.

VOTE: Wiki

[Salsabil Faria]

My

gera

meta,

Dwlee

was also there in that game but for some reason not considering this now:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211

Btw your ISO in this game is a painful read. You were constantly asking to get voted and then hammered yourself while claiming Scum as Town.

Yes, I know. I'm talking about

gera

here whose playstyle seems similar.
And, I was experimenting that particular playstyle in that game (+ on a newbie game that time), normally I don’t play like this. You can check my other games.

[Salsabil Faria]

Im ready to elim any of them: ico, dwlee, datisi, salsa.
Should i vote salsa now?

Wiki I’m not going to lie to you.

I thought of you for a bit there as the village idiot and all that, making ridiculous arguments and constantly trying to aggravate players. But you also seem overly bloodthirsty, and frankly not particularly solvey or thoughtful.

Yes! And better to policy them in D1 rather than later.

[Salsabil Faria]

My

gera

meta,

Dwlee

was also there in that game but for some reason not considering this now:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211

Btw your ISO in this game is a painful read. You were constantly asking to get voted and then hammered yourself while claiming Scum as Town.

Yes, I know. I'm talking about

gera

here whose playstyle seems similar.
And, I was experimenting that particular playstyle in that game (+ on a newbie game that time), normally I don’t play like this. You can check my other games.

The reason I’m bringing that up in particular is because even if you’re right, you make yourself tough to agree with if you’re constantly asking players to vote you. And you did try that here to some extent with Gamma who backed off.

[color=#8040me.]Actually it’s not the same here (but I understand that it seems like that).

GE

was telling something like this that it seemed I'm upset over his defence on

Wiki

because scum!me want to miseliminate them. My point was, if you think I'm scum, then why don't vote me.[/color]

[Salsabil Faria]

Dorsey, vote Salsa

Yeah,

Dorsey

SHEEP

[Salsabil Faria]

My

gera

meta,

Dwlee

was also there in that game but for some reason not considering this now:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211

Btw your ISO in this game is a painful read. You were constantly asking to get voted and then hammered yourself while claiming Scum as Town.

Yes, I know. I'm talking about

gera

here whose playstyle seems similar.
And, I was experimenting that particular playstyle in that game (+ on a newbie game that time), normally I don’t play like this. You can check my other games.

The reason I’m bringing that up in particular is because even if you’re right, you make yourself tough to agree with if you’re constantly asking players to vote you. And you did try that here to some extent with Gamma who backed off.

Actually it’s not the same here (but I understand that it seems like that).

GE

was telling something like this that it seemed I'm upset over his defence on

Wiki

because scum!me want to miseliminate them. My point was, if you think I'm scum, then why don't vote me.

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

Listen towns, you want to eliminate me, np! But for the greater good, we should policy

Wiki

today.

UNVOTE: GE

VOTE: Wiki

[Salsabil Faria]

@Dwlee

, SF's wagon is formatting finally, do you have any thought on this confscum?

[Salsabil Faria]

Buzz kill!

[Salsabil Faria]

What scum would do all the shit Wiki has done, especially newbscum?

In isolation I'd say this is Town Gamma, unless Gamma wants to pocket Wiki for some odd reason.

Re 767: I'm town.
Not sure about scum!

Datisi

yet and

Wiki

isn’t scum imo, which left

ico

but

GE

also voted

ico

, so I'm not sure about this also.

Scum need

Wiki

to be alive in this game. Scum!

GE

's buddy attempt isn’t that weird imo. Like

Dwlee

said,

Wiki

won't be night killed. So, if they get eliminated in the day phase, scum can use their defending

Wiki

thing as a way out.

UNVOTE: A50

VOTE: GE

so you think I'm trying to keep Wiki alive as a game-ending mislim? I mean, that's kinda reasonable to think that, but nah, I'm just keeping limbait town from getting yeeted. Your consistent problem with that feels like you're upset I'm stonewalling your mislim chance.

Then vote me!

I understand your point. 819 is still overly-confrontational. I’m going to admit something else - I actually thought Gamma backing off there was a bit Scummy. It’s a bit like trying to paint you in a poor light Salsa but then they just said something really wishy-washy like you’re a mixed bag and have other posts that are good so no? You might want to detail what you mean Gamma because obviously Salsa can be mis-executed which means there’s some incentive there not to push it too hard and let the Town fall for a mis-execution if Salsa is indeed Town.

Yes, I agree with you on

GE

but I don’t want

Wiki

anymore.

[Salsabil Faria]

Listen towns, you want to eliminate me, np! But for the greater good, we should policy

Wiki

today.

UNVOTE: GE
VOTE: Wiki

Bye bye
U decided to die instead of scum Ico, i see no problems even if you are just green idiot

How old are you btw?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Andres

, please consider my points about

Dwlee

and

GE

after my flip.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Salsa
Cool

Good job!

[Salsabil Faria]

Listen towns, you want to eliminate me, np! But for the greater good, we should policy

Wiki

today.

UNVOTE: GE
VOTE: Wiki

Bye bye
U decided to die instead of scum Ico, i see no problems even if you are just green idiot

How old are you btw?

31

Then why are you acting like a child??
Btw, it'll be cleared after post game who is idiot or not

[Salsabil Faria]

English is not my native too, obviously

Are you No Power Over Me?

[Salsabil Faria]

Then why are you acting like a child??

I see no problems with that, though i dont think that i play so

Btw, it'll be cleared after post game who is idiot or no

yeah yeah because u know players' sides

I know you're stupid, that's more than enough.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Andres

, please consider my points about

Dwlee

and

GE

after my flip.

What are your points exactly?

I've green role pm.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Andres

, please consider my points about

Dwlee

and

GE

after my flip.

What are your points exactly?

I've green role pm.

That isn't a point about gamma or me

I know.

Can we vote gera

What’s is the case on

gera

?

Can we vote gera

What’s is the case on

gera

?

That he has a red role pm

Literally just ignore Wiki datisi. Why are you engaging there

i can't ignore someone who's making such bullshit arguments at me, because people are lazy and might decide to just sheep him without fact checking

can you give me a case on scum!gera while i catch up please

7 pages already!

This game is going to be too much.





[Space left intentionally blank to crumb]

VOTE: dwlee

Scum entrance

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

Hard claim

Hard claim 2

I am already VOTE: dwlee

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

This post didn't quote for some reason but this is also part of scum entrance

^They have no interest to sort me or engage with me, only here to tunnel me.

Cause you're scum

Do you think I am? Because last I checked your story was that you were townreading me

Why suddenly my

thoughts

become important to you? Ain't I scum??

[Salsabil Faria]

One more thing from professional mafia games.

Then vote me!

VOTE: Salsa
Cool

Good job!

Salsa cannot be an important townie role like a cop because of these two posts.
So we have no problems to hang her.
Even if she tries to fakeclaim.

Maybe it can be smth like neighbour. This is the only thing that can explain some strange thinking of Salsa

Keep role fishing, you're doing so good that's making me wants to kill you more....

[Salsabil Faria]

I can tell you're idiot because your lOgIcS are

idiotic

. I never said

Dwlee

is an idiot because they're not, just their reason to scumread me is bad which mostly comes from meta but they kept saying meta is bad. So if town!them continue to tunnel me for bad reasons, it'll help scum more.
I never said I townred

ico

anywhere, all of your pushes/logics are worst. They're still scummy but I also scumread

GE

who also voted

ico

, so I'm not sure about what makes of that. And as a town, I can't have proof or surety that who can be scum because I don’t know other's role pm. You don’t read any of my posts in a non-bias view, that's why you don't get where is my head at.
I still prefer you over anyone, but no one gonna listen to me, so...

UNVOTE: Wiki

VOTE: GE

[Salsabil Faria]

@Almost50

...

[Salsabil Faria]

@Almost50

...

Back @Salsabil

Missing you

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't scumread you cause of meta, Salsa...

Sure!

[Salsabil Faria]

And I'm not avoiding anything, those 4's scumread on me is biased af, so it’s not out of the context to state that if any of them is scum, they're using this to miseliminate me.

do you think that those 4 people are scummy for their read on you?

Maybe but not all 4 though. I mainly said if any of them are scum, then they can use this

biasness

towards me without creating any suspicious towards them.

This makes 0 sense.

Moonlogic, remember?

[Salsabil Faria]

About ico

Google reevaluate

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't scumread you cause of meta, Salsa...

Sure!

VOTE: salsa
bad tone in this reaction so i'm just going to vote you and then unvote you because another player will do something bad on my catchup

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't scumread you cause of meta, Salsa...

Sure!

When have I ever scumread someone cause meta

Then how it’s possible for such an experienced player like you to always scumread me on every town games of mine??

[Salsabil Faria]

About ico

Google reevaluate

JUST WRITE IN WORDS YOUR EXPLANATION WHY MY LOGICS IS IDIOT ABOUT ICO.

Google reevaluate

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa I'm very confident you're gonna flip red but I know you have to pretend you won't and that is sad

Pathetic (2)

To the town (not the crazy ones), after my flip, not let this go away. I'm saying this, because people don't consider my posts/reads even if I flip green

you dug your own grave in 2234 tbh
also nm replaced into your slot

And?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa I'm very confident you're gonna flip red but I know you have to pretend you won't and that is sad

Pathetic (2)

To the town (not the crazy ones), after my flip, not let this go away. I'm saying this, because people don't consider my posts/reads even if I flip green

you dug your own grave in 2234 tbh
also nm replaced into your slot

And?

so from an objective pov there was no reason to look back at your reads because your town flailing could have caused you to think irrationally about reads
ofc, you were right about me
but still

Correct! That's the problem players like you who think themselves super and keep discrediting others! I played like that only on that mini + in one newbie at that time, but before or after those 2 games, I played in my usual way but you guys can't out yourselves from the confbias and I'm just sick of it.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't scumread you cause of meta, Salsa...

Sure!

When have I ever scumread someone cause meta

Then how it’s possible for such an experienced player like you to always scumread me on every town games of mine??

1.) I'm bad
2.) You literally scum claim in half of them

I claimed scum in 2 of them: in that mini where you were there and that newbie where you're not there!

[Salsabil Faria]

@Dwlee

, SF's wagon is formatting finally, do you have any thought on this confscum?

there are 4 scum

we can only afford 3 mislims (assuming we don't lim both scum with traitor if there is one)

Yes, you said this before and yet voting me, so cool!

[Salsabil Faria]

A50 why not salsa

I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.

Yeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..

[Salsabil Faria]

But I like you think I could pocket an experienced player.

This one is admittedly more my fault for misinterpreting. I'm guessing there were supposed to be commas in this, because without them I kept reading it as "But I like you, I think I could pocket an experienced player." But I think the intended meaning was "But I, like you, think I could pocket an experienced player." Which is a completely different meaning.

I do still think her read is fake though since she hasn't made any further push or made anything resembling a scum case on me.

That's make no sense to me.

I'm still trying to evaluate whether you're actually scummy or just haphazardly posting to win an online argument.

[Salsabil Faria]

@GE

, forgot to ask earlier, which posts of mine are stopping you to vote me?

[Salsabil Faria]

@T3

, do you still think

Dorsey

is newbtown? If so, why?

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't scumread you cause of meta, Salsa...

Sure!

VOTE: salsa
bad tone in this reaction so i'm just going to vote you and then unvote you because another player will do something bad on my catchup

Okay salsa

i vaguely like this reaction

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

what actually is the scum motivation for whatever the heck salsa is trying to do rn

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Your reactions to DW don’t make logical sense to me. DW expressed a high degree of certainty that you were Scum. You called that pathetic, and have heavily hinted at DW being bad Town. But why Town? And why so confrontational? DW isn’t actually a bad player. I just feel you should express more curiosity and less frustration towards DW and the view they’ve expressed. I would also argue DW is very much starting to feel like Town to me. It’s hard for players in general to be this pushy of a SR as Scum. It’s rare, and DW hasn’t operated like that if my recollection serves right. So I am starting to feel like you’re being forced into discrediting DW without calling them Scum, which is why I’ve voted you.

You’re also pushing Wiki who honestly seems almost like obvious Town to me. Or rather, I feel like the normal reaction to how Wiki is playing is to not want to execute it (Datisi’s “village idiot” description isn’t particularly charitable, but perhaps not that off target). I’m more inclined to want to give Wiki more time to see if their contributions are of any actual value.

Separately, I think A50’s frustration seems more Town indicative actually. I didn’t SR A50 for the activity level - I felt a specific post I quoted was Scummy. But the reaction they had to the pressure seemed genuine.

THIS MAKES SENSE

*Sigh*

I was getting excited, but my wagon died too soon.

VOTE: ger

it depends on wherever the votes are at rn but i think we should run up a50

Im ready to elim any of them: ico, dwlee, datisi, salsa.
Should i vote salsa now?

yes

done with my catchup

i am VERY happy where my vote is

T3 you said this makes sense (andre treads a50), now you say we should run up a50. Does "run up" mean to elim?

It doesn't matter A50's alignment. We should put him to E-1

Bad faith is screaming from this series of post.

Scum team:

GE

,

T3

, ,

[Salsabil Faria]

PS: Your vote was terrible. Which is...interesting cuz I felt like SF was soft defending you the first part of the game

Yes, that's because I thought they also found difficulties to understand your thoughts like me, but now it’s seeming like they're confbiasing you, which is leading to scumread everything you'll say. But, they also said they're experienced player, so I'm not sure if they're scum for confbiasing.

[Salsabil Faria]

@GE

, forgot to ask earlier, which posts of mine are stopping you to vote me?

I’ll probably quote them in the morning (I’m up after a pretty freaky dream in the middle of the night rn)

Sleep better

[Salsabil Faria]

or you are just a noob

I have over a hundred games on this site alone dude

this sounds very bad for you lol

Says the “professional mafia player” claiming a daycop guilty in a normal
PUH-LEASE

im too lazy to check wiki here, im usually dont play here, so
my claim was mostly for fun like rvs

I didn't think it was for fun.

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

[Salsabil Faria]

A50 why not salsa

I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.

Yeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..

Uh, yeah, exactly. Pocketing and/or defending a suspicious townie is a common scum tactic.

This is the 2nd time you're misinterpreting me, but before clear what I ACTUALLY said, are you agreeing you're scummy? Cause I was defending YOU!

PS: Your vote was terrible. Which is...interesting cuz I felt like SF was soft defending you the first part of the game

Yes, that's because I thought they also found difficulties to understand your thoughts like me, but now it’s seeming like they're confbiasing you, which is leading to scumread everything you'll say. But, they also said they're experienced player, so I'm not sure if they're scum for confbiasing.

What confbiasing? I scum read some posts of hers a couple days ago, I haven't said much of her other content besides that.

Salsa we both know I'm not scum and that you screwed yourself over by trying to town read me early for town credit. You're just shading me now without committing to any kind of read on me.

You're talking like you know my play style.
I'm not committing any kind of reads on you because I'm not sure yet. As an EXPERIENCED player, you SHOULD know that there are 3 types of read: townread, scumread and nullread. You're my nullread atm

[Salsabil Faria]

4 scums + 3 scum-friendly towns =

[Salsabil Faria]

4 scums + 3 scum-friendly towns =

You are a scum for no explanation why ico is town for you.
You cannot provide reasons. You even cannot imagine them, so your opinion about ico is not real, it is fake.
And you also voted your townies, asking people to elim ppl, who are townies for you.
Only today you at last gave your list of scums: ge, t3...
But it seems like just "no, not me mafia, you mafia, you you you"

That's very embarrassing to see an 31 years old (supposed to be mature) person acting like a total crazy in an online game.

Btw, I don't townread

ico

, never said anywhere. Yes, I find them scummy and I remember that. But my strong scumread

GE

is also voting them, which is giving me pause. Because I don’t think scum!

GE

needed to buss

ico

that moment, so I'm considering

ico

as a null read atm. And because of play style thing, scummy behaviour not necessarily scum indicative for everyone. I'll vote who I want to vote eventually, screaming near my ear won't do much about changing my mind.

[Salsabil Faria]

A50 why not salsa

I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.

Yeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..

Uh, yeah, exactly. Pocketing and/or defending a suspicious townie is a common scum tactic.

This is the 2nd time you're misinterpreting me, but before clear what I ACTUALLY said, are you agreeing you're scummy? Cause I was defending YOU!

???

You're literally referring to A50 in that post. My name isn't even mentioned there.

There is the proof of your misinterpretation of my post:

A50

said scum!me is trying to pocket me and I replied sarcastically that yeah, scum!me will pocket the person who themselves in people's suspect list. What I meant there is, if scum!me want to pocket someone, that person would be the widely townread person or someone whose trust would be beneficial for scum!me. But here, people don't trust

A50

that much, so there is no point for scum!me to pocket them. And you said scum!me is trying to pocket suspicious townie as a scum tactic aka misinterpretation on Jupiter level

PS: Your vote was terrible. Which is...interesting cuz I felt like SF was soft defending you the first part of the game

Yes, that's because I thought they also found difficulties to understand your thoughts like me, but now it’s seeming like they're confbiasing you, which is leading to scumread everything you'll say. But, they also said they're experienced player, so I'm not sure if they're scum for confbiasing.

What confbiasing? I scum read some posts of hers a couple days ago, I haven't said much of her other content besides that.

Salsa we both know I'm not scum and that you screwed yourself over by trying to town read me early for town credit. You're just shading me now without committing to any kind of read on me.

You're talking like you know my play style.
I'm not committing any kind of reads on you because I'm not sure yet. As an EXPERIENCED player, you SHOULD know that there are 3 types of read: townread, scumread and nullread. You're my nullread atm

No I'm not? I didn't mention play style at all.

...Yes, I know that there are different kinds of reads. What does that have to do with you shading me but then refusing to commit to a read?

I said you're my NULLREAD and why you're my nullread also mentioned in the quoted post. Just use the beautiful EYES you have.

[Salsabil Faria]

A50 why not salsa

I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.

Yeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..

Uh, yeah, exactly. Pocketing and/or defending a suspicious townie is a common scum tactic.

This is the 2nd time you're misinterpreting me, but before clear what I ACTUALLY said, are you agreeing you're scummy? Cause I was defending YOU!

???

You're literally referring to A50 in that post. My name isn't even mentioned there.

There is the proof of your misinterpretation of my post:

A50

said scum!me is trying to pocket them and I replied sarcastically that yeah, scum!me will pocket the person who themselves in people's suspect list. What I meant there is, if scum!me want to pocket someone, that person would be the widely townread person or someone whose trust would be beneficial for scum!me. But here, people don't trust

A50

that much, so there is no point for scum!me to pocket them. And you said scum!me is trying to pocket suspicious townie as a scum tactic aka misinterpretation on Jupiter level

PS: Your vote was terrible. Which is...interesting cuz I felt like SF was soft defending you the first part of the game

Yes, that's because I thought they also found difficulties to understand your thoughts like me, but now it’s seeming like they're confbiasing you, which is leading to scumread everything you'll say. But, they also said they're experienced player, so I'm not sure if they're scum for confbiasing.

What confbiasing? I scum read some posts of hers a couple days ago, I haven't said much of her other content besides that.

Salsa we both know I'm not scum and that you screwed yourself over by trying to town read me early for town credit. You're just shading me now without committing to any kind of read on me.

You're talking like you know my play style.
I'm not committing any kind of reads on you because I'm not sure yet. As an EXPERIENCED player, you SHOULD know that there are 3 types of read: townread, scumread and nullread. You're my nullread atm

No I'm not? I didn't mention play style at all.

...Yes, I know that there are different kinds of reads. What does that have to do with you shading me but then refusing to commit to a read?

I said you're my NULLREAD and why you're my nullread also mentioned in the quoted post. Just use the beautiful EYES you have.

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

If you see yourself on the mirror, I'm pretty sure you'll a see a iron wall and I'm not crazy enough to keep telling the wall the same thing by knowing that that wall won't break. Do whatever you want, I'm not interested in engaging with you anymore.

About the reevaluate part, it was for your

you're voting your townread, so you must be scum

logic. If I townread anyone page 1, my read on them can change on page 2, it's called reevaluate.

Btw I'm not townreading

ico

, they're still in my null list. Another thing, I'm not you, so our thought process + pov + play style won't be same, you can't just accept it from me and for having different thoughts, I can't be scum to you. It’s called bullshit logic.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Towns

, I really don't understand why do you want

Wiki

? Can you guys really work with them??

[Salsabil Faria]

Re- 1058: I already said that why I thought

Wiki

is scum for that claim, you have re-read the posts, not going to spoonfeeding anymore.

[Salsabil Faria]

I just have a crazy idea!

Wiki

is an alien or coming from a parallel universe where everything is a shit show!!

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: wiki

i wonder if this will go anywhere?

I'm wanting that for the longest time!

UNVOTE: GE

VOTE: Wiki

[Salsabil Faria]

@GE

, forgot to ask earlier, which posts of mine are stopping you to vote me?

I’ll probably quote them in the morning (I’m up after a pretty freaky dream in the middle of the night rn)

Sleep better

I actually got a reasonable amount of sleep last night, thank you very little.

I don’t know many phrases in English,

sleep better

makes sense to use in your nightmare situation. Sorry for that if it's meant rude to you, it wasn’t my intention.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't really get the hostility. I thought this was supposed to be fun.

VOTE: Andresvmb

[Salsabil Faria]

I didn’t realize then

day cop

isn’t possible in normal games. When saw

Datisi

's post about mentioning it, I remembered that day cop/vig aren’t normal.

[Salsabil Faria]

idk man im trying

How experience do you've in forum mafia games?

[Salsabil Faria]

I didn’t realize then

day cop

isn’t possible in normal games. When saw

Datisi

's post about mentioning it, I remembered that day cop/vig aren’t normal.

do you mind responding to the first part of my 1058?

@salsa, white knighting is when a person (generally scum) defneds someone (generally town) under fire

why are you ing at that? like, explain to me why fakeclaiming daycop is scummy.

I saw the 3 posts of

Wiki

's from

gera

's post where they hard claim guilty on

Dwlee

as a day cop which you later said isn’t normal to have in normal games. Didn’t read the early pages that moment.

that doesn't answer my question. i get that daycop isn't a normal role. but why is fakeclaiming it scummy.

Cause I didn’t read the game and didn’t know that they fakeclaimed it to tunnel

Dwlee

for whatever reason.
I entered the game with

Dwlee

vote (RVS) without knowing what is happening in the game, then saw

gera

's post where

Wiki

hard claimed guilty on

Dwlee

makes my RVS vote serious. Then saw your post saying day vig isn’t normal, thus vote

Wiki

. But it g_t cleared today as I read up to page 15 and know that they fake claimed.

^is not scummy anymore.

[Salsabil Faria]

salsa, i read those posts already, they don't answer my question. but right now i don't even care anymore, i have actual work to do that i didn't do yesterday because i just passed out, i'm gonna peace out for the time bez

Then why don't you understand what I'm trying to say? Or I'm not understanding your question?

[Salsabil Faria]

This level of tunnelling I never saw from town!

Dwlee

before to anyone. It indicates maybe they're really town because after my flip they'll be suspicious af. From my experience with scum!them, they're kind of deepwolf type, so my green flip will put them in a position which scum!them won't want?
Part of me also thinking as people don't take my reads seriously, scum!them can easily find a way out by proving my playstyle is scummy so the elimination is logical.

[Salsabil Faria]

i don't know how to phrase my question differently than "what do you find scummy about fakeclaiming daycop?".

you just keep quoting that post where you say it's not a normal role. but that doesn't explain anything.

Ok, I'm trying to make it clear. When I entered the game with

Dwlee

vote, it was RVS. Then I saw

gera

's post including

Wiki

's

hard claiming day cop

guilty on

Dwlee

and made 397 without realizing that day cop isn’t normal and at that point, I didn’t read the game at all. So when I saw your where you said day cop isn’t normal and vote

gera

, I was surprised at 1st that why you're not voting

Wiki

because they fake claimed guilty on someone but I also knew there had to be something, so I need to catch up first. But before starting to catch up,

Wiki

was scum to me for that fake claim.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: :yawn:

Btw, to everyone, for future references, if we play together again, I can't town up more than I'm currently doing, not possible tbh.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, to everyone, for future references, if we play together again, I can't town up more than I'm currently doing, not possible tbh.

why datisi is not a scum for you?

Because I think they're town.
And yes, meta is also included in this read.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: :yawn:

Btw, to everyone, for future references, if we play together again, I can't town up more than I'm currently doing, not possible tbh.

Lemon Demon says otherwise imo

I'm efforting more here, my green flip will prove that. I can't do more effort than this.

[Salsabil Faria]

Did salsa just say she has never seen me tunnel as town

As far as I remember, yes?

[Salsabil Faria]

Because I think they're town.
And yes, meta is also included in this read.

explain more. what moments. why. why not a scum. i dont know anyone's meta here. explain in words. you always can explain smth answering the question WHY if you really believe in that

you cannot convince repeating "im townie", "i think he is townie". the reasons should exist deeper. release it

Scum!them can easily pocket you or use this situation into their advantages by defending you cause imo, you being alive is more valuable for scums. From meta, I see how town!them try to sort people by repeatedly questing them, don't back off till they're satisfied from the answers which I'm seeing here also.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: :yawn:

Btw, to everyone, for future references, if we play together again, I can't town up more than I'm currently doing, not possible tbh.

Lemon Demon says otherwise imo

I'm efforting more here, my green flip will prove that. I can't do more effort than this.

So you never high-effort as scum?

No, I do effort as scum also but it becomes obvious later, I don’t have that grip on my scum games like I have on my town games.

[Salsabil Faria]

Not dealing with jail

Wiki

Dwlee99
Iconeum
Datisi
Andresvmb

T3
Selynee (preflips)
Three

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Dorsey

Salsabil Faria
geraintm

Pedit: there's 4 scum, 6 is a fine pool to be looking in, here's where I'm at though

Salsa what's your take on my list here

Not sure about

ico

as never played with them before and they're not doing much. They seems scummy up to page 5, so imo, they should be in bottom.

Sely

and

A50

can also be go higher, in the null town area at least.

Meta saying

gera

is playing their town meta but don't know their scum meta, so null.

Three

is also null for me.

Wiki

doesn’t exist for me.

Dorsey

needs more pressure and I'm town

[Salsabil Faria]

Did salsa just say she has never seen me tunnel as town

As far as I remember, yes?

I did it in t3's mini

Oh yes, forgot about this, you tunneled ssbm there but eventually started to reevaluate later and won the game for towns.
But here in my case, you seem can't stand my presence. Did I do something which you can't be over with? Can't remember tbh.

[Salsabil Faria]

Wiki doesn’t exist for me.

funny

Actually, sorry for being rude, shouldn’t called you idiot also. It’s just we're not vibing at all and I'm short tempered, so I think it's better to not engage with each other for now. Again, apologising for being mean.

[Salsabil Faria]

Did salsa just say she has never seen me tunnel as town

As far as I remember, yes?

I did it in t3's mini

Oh yes, forgot about this, you tunneled ssbm there but eventually started to reevaluate later and won the game for towns.
But here in my case, you seem can't stand my presence. Did I do something which you can't be over with? Can't remember tbh.

You're just scummy and I mean I could see you flipping town here but also I have a town list I don't see reasons to make smaller rn and I want you to at least give me a name in my bottom two chunks you'd vote

Then it's play style differences, nothing else. If it’s my responsibility to make myself more townie, then it’s your responsibility to try to read me, not just do confbias shit.

I'll not vote

gera

today, can vote between

GE

(scumread) and

Dorsey

(nullscum) from the bottom of your list.

[Salsabil Faria]

A50 why not salsa

I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.

Yeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..

>_>

that's like the entire point of whiteknighting

I don’t think we're on the same page at all...

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Dorsey

Ok

UNVOTE: Wiki

VOTE: Dorsey

[Salsabil Faria]

A50 why not salsa

I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.

Yeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..

Uh, yeah, exactly. Pocketing and/or defending a suspicious townie is a common scum tactic.

This is the 2nd time you're misinterpreting me, but before clear what I ACTUALLY said, are you agreeing you're scummy? Cause I was defending YOU!

???

You're literally referring to A50 in that post. My name isn't even mentioned there.

There is the proof of your misinterpretation of my post:

A50

said scum!me is trying to pocket me and I replied sarcastically that yeah, scum!me will pocket the person who themselves in people's suspect list. What I meant there is, if scum!me want to pocket someone, that person would be the widely townread person or someone whose trust would be beneficial for scum!me. But here, people don't trust

A50

that much, so there is no point for scum!me to pocket them. And you said scum!me is trying to pocket suspicious townie as a scum tactic aka misinterpretation on Jupiter level

Can we stop with the fake misinterpretation accusations? I know what you said. I said scum still do that anyway. This is not a hard concept.

This is my 2nd post you misinterpreted, remember the 1st one?

[Salsabil Faria]

Read upto page 5,

ico

seems scummy atm.

your posting starting around here was probably the most towny part of your play so far (I was going to quote wall posts I liked until I saw how large your ISO was)

Yeah lol, ik

[Salsabil Faria]

T3 you said this makes sense (andre treads a50), now you say we should run up a50. Does "run up" mean to elim?

It doesn't matter A50's alignment. We should put him to E-1

It's this the game where everyone says weird stuff?

@T3- you have reads that are not tone based?

@Three- Again...there is no reason town would fake a read here. Especially a scum read. So, you should be the first one to want be elim here...and make a case.

PS: Your vote was terrible. Which is...interesting cuz I felt like SF was soft defending you the first part of the game

I...what? Why would I want to be the first one to be eliminated here? And I did make a case, it's gone on for several days now...

Why is my vote terrible? Her slot rolled scum. What's wrong with voting Salsa even though she soft defended me?

Want me elim. Typo

Nothing wrong with voting someone who soft defended you but I don't think you've mentioned Salsa before that vote. And "who do you propose to vote instead?" usually means "Who do you think we should elim" not "I'll vote whomever you say"

@Three

, this is the 1st post of mine you misinterpreted...
Thanks

Sely

!

[Salsabil Faria]

i don't know how to phrase my question differently than "what do you find scummy about fakeclaiming daycop?".

you just keep quoting that post where you say it's not a normal role. but that doesn't explain anything.

Ok, I'm trying to make it clear. When I entered the game with

Dwlee

vote, it was RVS. Then I saw

gera

's post including

Wiki

's

hard claiming day cop

guilty on

Dwlee

and made 397 without realizing that day cop isn’t normal and at that point, I didn’t read the game at all. So when I saw your where you said day cop isn’t normal and vote

gera

, I was surprised at 1st that why you're not voting

Wiki

because they fake claimed guilty on someone but I also knew there had to be something, so I need to catch up first. But before starting to catch up,

Wiki

was scum to me for that fake claim.

ok, i see we're not getting anywhere because my literal question is "why are they scum for the fakeclaim?" that you keep dodging

Because they hard claimed guilty on someone by fake claiming a role which isn’t normal!!!!

[Salsabil Faria]

For rolefishing, for miseliminating??

[Salsabil Faria]

@Three

, I'm pursuing my reads. But it’s really hard to keep focusing on finding scum when people started to tunnel me and my energy + time is going there to keep proving that I'm town.

My current scumreads are

GE

and

T3

which no one seems to agree but only

Andres

agree on

GE

where I voted but the wagon isn’t going anywhere.

On the other hand,

Dorsey

is my nullscum read (not nullread

@Wiki

) which is getting traction, so why don’t I vote?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Three

, I'm pursuing my reads. But it’s really hard to keep focusing on finding scum when people started to tunnel me and my energy + time is going there to keep proving that I'm town.

My current scumreads are

GE

and

T3

which no one seems to agree but only

Andres

agree on

GE

where I voted but the wagon isn’t going anywhere.

On the other hand,

Dorsey

is my nullscum read (not nullread

@Wiki

) which is getting traction, so why don’t I vote?

And yes, I still want

Wiki

to be eliminated over my scumreads because I feel they're more
problematic for town than scums.

[Salsabil Faria]

for miseliminating

is it profitable for scum!me to die with a townie (d1-he, d2-me)? no,no,no. it could be profitable if i was too susp to everybody there. but i was called townie, the situation wasn't bad for me, so there is no reason to suicide like that for a scum miseliming in townie

if you are looking for scum profit, more profit for scum!me here to make a good bussing with dwlee if we are scums
but u dont think about that

When I entered, didn’t read the whole game, so that moment for rolefishing/miselimination reason, I thought you're scum.

[Salsabil Faria]

What is your reason for town!

Dorsey

?

[Salsabil Faria]

Fair enough but not agreeing into the sheeping part, they're actually not trying to do anything.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod,

V/LA for 24 hours for having migraine.

[Salsabil Faria]

I scumread

GE

because of his behaviour around

Wiki

's anti-town play style.

GE

showed no tolerance of anti-town play of mine in this game (point to be noted: my play style is generally scummy):

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8750

Wiki

's play here is more devastating than me from that game but STILL

GE

showed way less annoyance while I was almost blacklisted which pinged me hard. Hence made this post:

Read up to page 15, page 12 & 13 made my day
Now, I can see why

Wiki

is obvtown (I can't stop laughing!!)

Btw, it’s raise a question towards

GE

, I was way less hostile/destructive but you decided to not play with me anymore or even talk to me. But for

Wiki

, you're way more generous! Is you bad player jail got full? Or your

stance

chang when you rolled scum?

I wanted to see if he really starts to reconsider my play style or just rolled scum and know I'll flip green.

Andres

said my observation better in this post, so going to quote that + my observation also:

What scum would do all the shit Wiki has done, especially newbscum?

In isolation I'd say this is Town Gamma, unless Gamma wants to pocket Wiki for some odd reason.

Re 767: I'm town.
Not sure about scum!

Datisi

yet and

Wiki

isn’t scum imo, which left

ico

but

GE

also voted

ico

, so I'm not sure about this also.

Scum need

Wiki

to be alive in this game. Scum!

GE

's buddy attempt isn’t that weird imo. Like

Dwlee

said,

Wiki

won't be night killed. So, if they get eliminated in the day phase, scum can use their defending

Wiki

thing as a way out.

UNVOTE: A50

VOTE: GE

so you think I'm trying to keep Wiki alive as a game-ending mislim? I mean, that's kinda reasonable to think that, but nah, I'm just keeping limbait town from getting yeeted. Your consistent problem with that feels like you're upset I'm stonewalling your mislim chance.

Then vote me!

I understand your point. 819 is still overly-confrontational. I’m going to admit something else - I actually thought Gamma backing off there was a bit Scummy. It’s a bit like trying to paint you in a poor light Salsa but then they just said something really wishy-washy like you’re a mixed bag and have other posts that are good so no? You might want to detail what you mean Gamma because obviously Salsa can be mis-executed which means there’s some incentive there not to push it too hard and let the Town fall for a mis-execution if Salsa is indeed Town.

No more screen time today, want to give rest to my eyes.

UNVOTE: Dorsey

VOTE: GE

[Salsabil Faria]

My bad...

VOTE: Looker

Welcome in the shit show

[Salsabil Faria]

And "who do you propose to vote instead?" usually means "Who do you think we should elim" not "I'll vote whomever you say"

@Three

, this is the 1st post of mine you misinterpreted...
Thanks

Sely

!

This isn't even your post? This is blatant gaslighting.

Everybody, please vote this scum out of here, holy shit.

I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.

Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...

Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?

This feels pretty scum indicative. I don't know how you could be so lost on who to vote for that you need someone to tell you who to vote.

VOTE: Salsa

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I think

T3

is town for the quick wagon formation on them but I'm not confident also.

[Salsabil Faria]

Actually maybe, okay I think Andres is very town here. I'm not reconsidering that slot ever. If there's a cop guilty I am limming the cop claim first at this point

Who claimed? Beside

Wiki

I mean...

[Salsabil Faria]

@Looker

, didn’t know you need any help from me?

[Salsabil Faria]

And "who do you propose to vote instead?" usually means "Who do you think we should elim" not "I'll vote whomever you say"

@Three

, this is the 1st post of mine you misinterpreted...
Thanks

Sely

!

This isn't even your post? This is blatant gaslighting.

Everybody, please vote this scum out of here, holy shit.

I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.

Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...

Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?

This feels pretty scum indicative. I don't know how you could be so lost on who to vote for that you need someone to tell you who to vote.

VOTE: Salsa

I didn't LIE anything

@Three

.
What agenda you find from whatever I'm doing here exactly??

[Salsabil Faria]

Like we're on page 70 now and all Datisi can say is "but what about the post you made on page 20" as if that is somehow relevant at all. Especially when it got dealt with four times and that still apparently wasn't enough.

So, after page 200, page 70 contents will be bullshitted?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Looker

, does your scumread on

Datisi

is for biased reason? Actually I'm getting the feeling that you two have history and I'm townreading him (and scumreading your predecessor), so if I should consider your case or not... that's why.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Looker

, my read on

Datisi

is actually based on meta but not only meta. The way he goes with

Wiki

&

Three

, it clearly takes lots of attention which no scum want in D1 in general basis. Though I don’t know his scum meta but as an experienced player, do you think scum!

Datisi

is this much sloppy? Plus, his sorting style is kind of like that, he will keep asking the same question until his satisfaction (which is annoying tbh ). But I'll look onto your case later, busy rn (this game is giving me headache also).

[Salsabil Faria]

Also

@A50

, what are you doing exactly?

[Salsabil Faria]

@A50

, your sudden (& so much) love for me is making me falling hard for you

Spoiler: For A50

D8luZ4fa8Mw

I actually want to vote

Three

but it'll be more biasness than a scumread, so won't vote there for now.

UNVOTE: Looker

VOTE: Dorsey

[Salsabil Faria]

Page top!

[Salsabil Faria]

@A50

, your sudden (& so much) love for me is making me falling hard for you

Spoiler: For A50

I actually want to vote

Three

but it'll be more biasness than a scumread, so won't vote there for now.

UNVOTE: Looker

VOTE: Dorsey

*embarrassing*

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa loves A50 so much she gave him her Wi-Fi password

[Salsabil Faria]

Votecount 1.12

Three (3) - Datisi, Iconeum, T3
T3 (2) - Andresvmb, Selynee
Datisi (2) - Three, Dorsey
Almost50 (1) - Wiki
Dorsey (1) - Salsabil Faria
Wiki (1) - Almost50
Dwlee99 (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Looker, Dwlee99

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-31 06:52:46)

Deadline is getting close.

I can vote anyone from these people:

Looker

,

Dorsey

,

Three

,

Wiki

.

I won't vote these people:

SF

,

Sely

,

Andres

,

Dwlee

,

Datisi

I'll vote these people if I have to:

A50

,

T3

,

gera

,

Ico

[Salsabil Faria]

Actually yeah,

Dorsey

's flip won't give much info compare to others.

UNVOTE: Dorsey

VOTE: Three

[Salsabil Faria]

Do you all want to know the final nail in the coffin for why Salsa is scum? Besides everything else I already said? Because town!Salsa is impulsive and self-destructive. Town!Salsa has good reads but almost zero nuance. Town!Salsa would literally rather drop the game or self-vote and crash and burn than deal with pressure from town, not power through it like she's been doing all game.

Town!Salsa isn't bad, but she naturally comes off as scummy because she gets paranoid and annoyed when people don't listen to her or scum read her. Scum!Salsa is otherwise very controlled, very thorough and precise, and very very townie looking because she can be 100% confident with whatever she says due to not actually having to second guess her self or her reads.

Yes, I self voted as town before but not as a scum. But that doesn’t mean I won't self vote as scum ever. In some town games, I had 100% confident reads and failed miserably. On the other hand, I barely had any confident read and miseliminated ultimately. I'm not sure if I've any

alignment tell

yet cause I myself don't be sure what will I do next as any alignment.

About the self vote thing, I'm trying to not do it anymore by acknowledging my anger and miscommunication issues finally. Though I still get annoyed when people don't want to listen to me, but I'm trying to do the

calm approach

but not to do the

lashing out

approach.

[Salsabil Faria]

Actually, I'm changing my mind again *shocking*

UNVOTE: Three

VOTE: Ico

[Salsabil Faria]

I can't be

partnered

with anyone because I'm town...

[Salsabil Faria]

Hopefully you'll recover soon

Andres

.

[Salsabil Faria]

Why do you vote Ico? Dwlee,Andre etc say that Ico is town. Dont you believe them? You tr them a lot. +Datisi is so sure

Their reaction on

Looker

's

prod dodge

claim seems bad.

[Salsabil Faria]

@looker, it's really hard for me to respond to walls

like, physically and mentally

Additional question: Are you trying to ride the prod range until deadline?

@Wiki