Mini 2240: SCP UPick 2 (Day 8)

[Infinity Zero]

why the vote on us?

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

I would be more upset with koba's vote if they didn't make it a point to always be wrong on me

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: galron
How about no.

[Infinity Zero]

If koba actually has a reason to suspect us they'll out it, but it's perfectly within town!koba bounds to just be completely willfully ignorant
I don't support you basically trying to sideshift the pressure onto us like you're doing
would also like dwlee to back his shit up with a vote if he's going to keep pulling it

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Up!

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

relax gamna i was reaction testing

Why’d you say we were scum apropos of nothing coming in then, was that also part of it?

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

That’s not what we did at all wtf

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

i will take responsibility for defending roden, but our vote was on roden when the hammer happened.

will post thoughts tonight

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

oh and we were the hammer

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

Dunnstral+T3 are mechtown, Cephrir is town by play
That’s a good starting point

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

ok so

galron isn't scum hunting and is lashing out at 999 in a scummy way imo

i don't agree with the strength of gamma's TR on ceph, but i'm good with leaving him for now.

cakez - his interactions with roden don't feel partnered. maybe he went back to his bussing meta, but unlikely.

zyla - townslip still feels genuine, but PoE is closing in a bit here.

dwlee - the reaction to roden's scumslip looked really genuine.

dunn and t3 and 999 are town, so i have to figure out which of the above townreads are wrong. i think galron is the best lim today

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

How is my push on 999 lashing out in a scummy way? What's wrong with asking for a case?

no one ever gives cases nor are they obligated to; the emotion behind the push feels frustrated about their attack on you as opposed to thinking you've caught scum.

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

All I'm doing is trying to figure out why 999 keeps scumreading people without casing them. You can't just say "Hey that guy is scum" Why? "Don't wory about it I know" But why? "Why do you say he isn't scum"

What is wrong with that fucking kind of play by 999?

koba uses gut for a lot of their scumreads and reaction tests a lot, they're not going to give you a case just because they asked, find a different way to sort them.

hint:they're town

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

I had it in an RC UPick once

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

I feel like people who do this nearly always flip town but in the case it is a scum flip I kinda wanna look at interactions now just so it’s out there (and I suggest others do likewise)

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Galron, why did you think post 555 in the old thread was good, and do you still think that?

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

This sort of scum claim in twilight feels like the sort I’ve seen from town in past games

[Infinity Zero]

This sort of scum claim in twilight feels like the sort I’ve seen from town in past games

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

koba do you actually think galron is flipping scum here?

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

Yeah, you got me.

Now tell me who my partner is.

Congratulations. You get a bonus mislaunch.

these seem pretty obviously sarcastic to me

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

pretty obviously sarcastic to me

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

I meant 551 not 555

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

koba could be scum trying not to tmi here. it's so insane to me that anyone could think he's still flipping scum here.

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

infinity, perhaps the fact taht galron has literally provided nothing of value, barely a legacy scumread - and moreso has posted things that would make sense coming from a scum frustrated they got turbo elimmed after their partner PT slipped.

perhaps realize that it makes more sense from a town POV to think galron will flip scum and if they flip town I will be more looking at *your* treatement of them in twilight which *does* look like TMI in a town!galron world.

lmao i knew this was coming

i apologize if you're town here for calling your thought process insane, i really do think it makes no sense to think galron flips scum here, he's even answering questions about his thought process from earlier, the tone is a sacrastic congratulations which would take effort to fake and why would you do that just to twilight troll

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

i also think, looking back on it, the way you treated lld was really scum-indicative because you usually apologize and try to do better if someone calls you out for being toxic but if you're scum you don't care because you're playing to your wincon.

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

@mod

can you confirm that cassie didn't report anything for last night?

i'd love you to explain that vote koba

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

and yeah.
VOTE: infinity

You can fucking stop.

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

i love how we were so towny and then we hammered roden and now we're scum for defending roden.

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

gamma was probably going to convince me to move back to roden eventually, if you look at our iso it would've been difficult to justify staying off him as the deciding vote because I'm pretty sure i voiced that i had a lot of townreads stronger than him and gamma actively scumread him.

i don't understand why we're supposed to give scum free info when there's a chance we don't get eliminated.

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

Our behavior around Roden was actually quite fluid and I think you're both viewing it thinking "they defended Roden so must be scum" when I actually PUSHED Roden for a solid chunk of time, and I think if you actually look at that span of time where I was pushing him it should be blatantly obvious we're not partnered with him. And being secretive about role in a role madness game is nothing new for me

especially

, I have done so as both alignments in the past. And I think Koba should DAMN WELL know that I do it as town, at least. And it's very rarely because of the DGB sig thing, it's almost always because the info is better left hidden, either to actually try to catch scum when town, or to use it to make big movez as scum.

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

if you look at our iso it would've been difficult to justify staying off him as the deciding vote

The fact that you're aware of this is slightly alarming

i remembered a) my read on roden b) gamma's read on roden and inferred this

i don't understand why we're supposed to give scum free info when there's a chance we don't get eliminated.

Is there a distinction between this and any other situation where a claim is asked for?

yes, we weren't ever at e-1 right?

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

i love how we were so towny and then we hammered roden and now we're scum for defending roden.

-infinity

To elaborate: this feels like scum mad that their intentional efforts to get towncred didnt pay off

i'm not even asking for a townread though? i'm asking why koba suddenly decided we're scum

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

before you clowns go too far with this I will declare I did crumb in the old thread somewhere

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

koba still hasn't answered how their read on us changed

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

239 doesn't count

[Infinity Zero]

infinity im at the point where its either you or LLD slot + one more(if its you, then zyla, if LLD slot, then sircakez)

t3's catchup was almost locktown level even if you don't count the vig claim

i don't really see why you're clearing ceph or cakez

i'm not at all confident that you're town either

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

yeah scum probably just have a ninja, i wouldn't be surprised in the role madness game

the other option is that there's a town bp unclaimed but that isn't super likely.

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

You may target multiple players as long as you have enough pills to do so.

[Infinity Zero]

zyla who's scum?

koba you didn't answer why you're clearing cakez and ceph, engaging with you is not usually like this when you're town

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

you don't have to care about my reads but you love justifying yourself as town usually...

although it is funny bc the cakez read is predicated on listening to someone else's read there and cephir overall has displayed a higher level thought process that isn't easily fakeable as scum.

that ceph read seems pretty shallow, quotes?

who are you sheeping on cakez and why

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

at least, you don't ignore questions

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

??? when are we going to get to the push... is it after the slip? i don't give a fuck if so

the push was before that
I don't like how you're pretty much doing everything but actually calling us scum here

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

VOTE: Roden
I’m still sorta skeptical of this but he fell off the map hard and ngl I think that’s a scumtell for him

-Gamma

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

Mix of both actually, honestly you’re closer to 235 than Radio Buzz.

-Gamma

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

But you feel very little like you did in 2234.

-Gamma

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

The problem is exactly that: I’m recognizing that all you’re putting out is noise. Your solving this game feels very weak-spirited, sure you sorted a good number of slots but it felt like your sorting wasn’t meaningful. Your activity doesn’t help but this is like when I prosecuted CheekyTeeky in LN 231, it’s all about

what you do with your time

that determines how you’re read, for me. Where’s your sense of

direction

?

-Gamma

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

The problem is exactly that: I’m recognizing that all you’re putting out is noise. Your solving this game feels very weak-spirited, sure you sorted a good number of slots but it felt like your sorting wasn’t meaningful. Your activity doesn’t help but this is like when I prosecuted CheekyTeeky in LN 231, it’s all about

what you do with your time

that determines how you’re read, for me. Where’s your sense of

direction

?

-Gamma

What? I was pushing Ceph even after I unvoted, and I'm currently trying to gauge whether or not Cakez is short-sighted scum or just impulsive/bored town. You'd have a point if I was solo lurking in a hyper post game state, but I've given out more content, reads, and thought processes than half the players in the game, even with me being on vacation. You're just wrong here.

If you're saying I feel different from the recent games where I died first or got mis-elim'd first for five games in a row, then sorry, but I've already said I'm adjusting my playstyle due to how unfun those games all were.

I don't

feel

the effort from you regarding your ceph push or your investigation of cakez, though. I think saying you've solved more than half of the other players in the game have is a bit of a stretch.

-Gamma

These are posts from when I was pushing Roden

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Yeah and? There hadn't been a post for almost 12 hours, and I was getting restless.
Also, this is probably a repeat offense of what happened in 2226. I think you get what this means, Koba.

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

And by repeat offense I mean I'm the one doing it, not you (though you're seeing me do it and having the same reaction sooooo)

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

massclaim wouldn't be horrible but I'd like to request we do it in stages where we give roles and then results if applicable
also I'm kinda not sure what to think about zyla because the townslip feels real, however I don't think zyla+galron+koba can all be town as claimed

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Me- townread me u fucks smh my head i shone a light on roden when they were at 0 threat

hmmmm

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

whatever I'll just claim now, we're a JOAT that spends currency to buy items that we then use, we gain currency by being on elim wagons, which is why we've been voting as we have all game
I crumbed earlier in the post where I said I was "2 parts Reimu Hakurei, 1 part Sadou Maou", because in 2 past UPicks there were 2 different roles that had similar function to ours here, with it being more similar to the one in the Gensokyo Touhou UPick than the one in isekai upick. SirCakez should at least get the Reimu call-out, everyone who could directly get the Sadou call-out is either dead or replaced out (unless T3 actually paid attention to the proceedings of isekai upick)
I'm explicitly choosing to not elaborate on what powers we can get at this point in time

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Infinity. Go over your thought process from d2 regarding rodenplease. I keep seeing a subtle defense of the slot and id lime you to outline every point where you felt a shift in how you were reading the slot.

i thought he was towny but not as towny as other people and i was willing to compromise with gamma on him that's pretty much it

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

I want a zyla lim over IZ

Currency, not d class?

yep

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

right but when and why did you go from not hard defending -> scum?

idk i guess i just don't really buy that you're scumreading us, you can read me pretty well normally and it feels like you're tossing us in the PoE and townreading other people for weak reasons and ignoring all the stuff you townread us for early game

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

yeah we use money rather than dclass to make our role work
and yes we are the vending machine scp

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

bzzt bzzt bzzt bzzt bzz--

clink clunk.

A round plastic ball is dispensed, roughly the size of an magic 8 ball but curiously missing a window out of which to view the results. Intrigued, you shake it up. You hear the sounds of the answer pyramid hitting the sides of the ball, and you check again to make sure you didn't miss the peephole. Suddenly, a deafening scream emerges from somewhere inside the thing.

"CHECK YOUR ROLE PM YOU IDIOT!"

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

ugh been having headaches/generally demotivated but koba is scum but gamma doesn't want to vote there

i like ceph's response

zyla/koba is possible

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

ugh been having headaches/generally demotivated but koba is scum but gamma doesn't want to vote there

i like ceph's response

zyla/koba is possible

-infinity

what about it do you like?

he cares very little about making himself look good. though tbf maybe he's just confident no one will listen to you? i think he'd at least want to make himself look good to everyone else though

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

i think town!koba would be all over the bad reason to tr ceph

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

if cakez/dwlee/infinity+gamma have any respect for me they will sheep my reads if i were to be limmed here/zyla flipped town.

hmm ok it's probably not koba/zyla

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

gamma is ok with this, scummy above post as well

VOTE: 999

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

have a headache, don't care enough

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

like what literally happens if i get limmed is cakez dies and then dwlee prob instant votes zyla and we lose lmfao

t3 is scum in this scenario? lol

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

nah stfu with the excuses.

youve had a headache all game

I saved your slot from a lim earlier this game

you keep ignoring that point and wanna pretend like theres a reason alwayts to avoid engaging me whenever hard questions come up.

I think in all worlds cephir is scum but you and t3 are never partnered bc of LLD.


So lets hear it infinity - who is my partner here?

how about cakez

and yes i've had a headache all game i have chronic headaches, luckily they don't hurt that much but they really limit what i can do

also gamma will post if he wants to but i don't expect him to based on the way you're engaging

like good job, you figured me out. i'm unmotivated town.

again t3 is locktown for the stream of consciousness, he's probably the towniest player in the game even just by play

i'm done for the night

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

get gamma in here.
i know he is around.

you got a headache but i know gamma doesn't

I want a mf conversation.

Why can't T3 slot be scum to you?

remember: no mech reasoning.

LLD slot tried t oget you limmed hard. Do you not remember that? And in quite a lazy offhanded way.

Sorry, but you’re scum exclusively for this post. Town!you would be all up in my grill for going low-activity, but instead you’re playing sycophant, hoping I’d call off the attack on you.

[Infinity Zero]

If you're town I'll figure it out

I want to see how infinity/gamma respond

what exactly are we supposed to be responding to? koba is desperate scum here, they've not given me a reason to re-eval

maybe i can put in a bit of effort tonight

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

idk

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

I’m at work rn but currently on a 15 minute break
As for my general lack of presence, it’s because I lack true confidence in many of my reads atp, so I’m trying to find that again before going all-out
But I’m reasonably sure about Koba!scum, idrc for the activity defense they’ve put out when I know Koba also has chosen to straight up run games as scum in the past (Bending is probably my key point of reference there)

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

I have reviewed every slot in this game infinity. You yourself are pigeonholed into zyla/I
you refuse to talk about cephrir other than vague statements.

Tell me how thats towny

i think you're probably scum with cakez

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

infinity trying to frame a scumteam that pushes their partner when they're in no danger to a viable wagon while theyre the active wagon and 1 of those people is hard defending them.is just impossinle logic and should easily be hard evidence that the slot is scum

but people love to ignore logical impossibilities lmao

sometimes scum do bad busses lol

i haven't reread enough to have a confident solve, and you know that, but you're still just repeating "who's my partner" like it makes you any less scum

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

And the thing i was talking about that a towmie would bring up to say i am scum here is that i *did* push gamma while roden was the cohnterwagon and i did so pretty hard.

Anyone who was legitimately thinking about reevaling me would have actually seen that - but it hasnt been brought up

ok but i haven't reread this should be obvious so this is nonsense

anyway our abilities are a track, a roleblock, and a commute, we have a track clear on cakez last night which is the only reason i'm not intent on killing him. i usually get a townread on him at this point in the game

i think a ninja is very possible given how much power town has but yeah i don't particularly want to go after cakez today

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

where did this SR on me come from wtf

huh? i've been sring you for most of the game, i reconsidered a little bit after roden flipped but honestly i don't feel like it's enough atp, normally you're quite towny to me as town

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

Alright let me take out the request i think is less effort than trying to read my iso which is gigantic -> multiiso roden and infinity in old thread + read infinity keeping in mind their JOAT claim(1x tracker 1x rb 1x commuter)

it's not really a joat we need to use currency (which we get from being on elim wagons)

the commuter costs 100 yen the rb costs 200 yen and the tracker costs 300 yen

we get 100 yen from being on an elim wagon

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

Alright let me take out the request i think is less effort than trying to read my iso which is gigantic -> multiiso roden and infinity in old thread + read infinity keeping in mind their JOAT claim(1x tracker 1x rb 1x commuter)

it's not really a joat we need to use currency (which we get from being on elim wagons)

the commuter costs 100 yen the rb costs 200 yen and the tracker costs 300 yen

we get 100 yen from being on an elim wagon

-infinity

sigh

since this is all out in the open I want to make clear atp that I don't think koba+zyla can both be town with our role and galron's also being things that exist, and out of those I'm less inclined to trust koba because being able to cancel commute sounds like a scum ability in that it serves the function of being able to not get screwed over by their teammates getting taken out and being unable to nightkill
I also think cephrir's ability to self-breach for a direct role effect sounds scum-indicative given roden's flip. I think we're at the point where we barely have to worry about the alternate scum wincon if at all, so I'm fine disclosing that our breach literally just results in deaths of dclass/security guards.

-Gamma

OOPS LOL
I'm using the same browser to post in multiple hydra games and I was reading this game while on my other one

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Up!

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

if your brilliant conclusion is that i'm teamed with koba or zyla i invite you to get your eyes checked

I was just spitting my thoughts on the game that I hadn't shared yet because I decided to switch the caginess off
there might actually be more but those were the main things that were pressing to mention imo because I've felt directionless wrt where scum is besides like those thoughts for a bit
This game feels way harder than pokemon battles because in that game I was blatantly wrong about multiple townreads and I got lucky that no one listened to me p much

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

that reminds of something I don't think I even discussed with Infinity which is I want T3 to fullclaim today
also can you link that game with the global post limit you were scum in

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

I said link :/
also my blood boiled a bit seeing taylor's name, I fucking hate that asshole, which is why I idolize you to some degree, because you caught that fucker on the taylor account and I'm guessing when they were LM as well

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

oh fuck, mate

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

koba i don't think you needed to do meta research to tell you that i'm less motivated than my usual town game, i could've told you that myself

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

I still think gamma and t3 should know that this is town!koba

I think you and cakez should know that this is town!infinity

[Infinity Zero]

I still think gamma and t3 should know that this is town!koba

I think you and cakez should know that this is town!infinity

-Gamma, ftr

[Infinity Zero]

I still think gamma and t3 should know that this is town!koba

i guarantee you i'm better at reading koba than you

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

dwlee has correctly read me in pretty much all our recent completed games

you on the other hand: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=86610

no comment needed.

i mean, i also correctly read you by the end there

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

the 2 times infinity caught me as scum it was an early read and never a late reeval so not sure why theyre so sure this time if town

re-evaluating is hard and i don't feel like it, also you made many posts this phase i can't imagine from town!you

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

honestly reading through the rpg game im wondering where all the depth is infinity - why are you lacking reasoning in any of your reads + why are you unconcerned wit hreading other people? in your completed town games i see you more often than not actually evaluating the table holistically and here im seeing you zoned in on very few slots

you already know the answer to this

you know you can't pressure me here; i really don't care enough about this game so your "pressure" looks fake

if you're lucky i'll get some quotes later tonight but probably not

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

demotivated town doesn't exist i guess huh

good to know

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

Would you lean towards townreading or scumreading that hydra?

i'd lean towards nullreading them for being demotivated

the amount of research you've done on me without realizing i've joined one mafia game in the past month+ and lurked the whole time (was scum but still) is insane to me

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

i normally have way more motivation as scum too, the fact that you think i am lying about this point is insane to me and i don't think you can be town thinking that?

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

and the fact i havent hammered you is answer to yours that you are assuming the wrong thing. you are getting a conversation because i still think your slot has town viability.

ok but you're not going to get anything more towny that this so i don't get why you're doing this if not to just make yourself look better

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

can you tell me what you think scum looks like assuming:
im town
im scum

scum is in you/ceph/zyla/cakez

you/cakez is the most likely team with you then you/zyla.

otherwise ceph/cakez is the most likely

idk i'm aware you are out of your normal scumrange so i wouldn't put it past you, but i haven't seen genuine evaluation or progressions from you this dayphase

the thing that made me re-evaluate you was that you thought galron was still scum in twilight despite the fact that he obviously wasn't

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

shit i'm sorry

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

i also have asd i should know not to assume people can interpret things correctly all the time, esp on the internet

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

we're town, enchant/cakez/koba has the scum i think

gl i guess

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

we're town, enchant/cakez/koba has the scum i think

gl i guess

-infinity

learned your lesson claiming scum when hammered from Metal Game Covers huh

didnt i accidentally trick you into thinking murder was my partner in my twilight posting

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

GIF please give infinity spoilers on my alignment if they do flip town, i want them to eat crow asap

you're town aren't you

gdi sorry

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

we're town, enchant/cakez/koba has the scum i think

gl i guess

-infinity

P sure cakez/koba are town here

so it's ceph/enchant for you? or i guess t3 but lmao

[Infinity Zero]

t3 still locktown from the catchup

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

GIF please give infinity spoilers on my alignment if they do flip town, i want them to eat crow asap

Don’t EVER claim to be able to meta me again.

You’ve lost that right

.

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

we're town, enchant/cakez/koba has the scum i think

gl i guess

-infinity

learned your lesson claiming scum when hammered from Metal Game Covers huh

didnt i accidentally trick you into thinking murder was my partner in my twilight posting

-infinity

Yup, I remember it well enough

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

we're town, enchant/cakez/koba has the scum i think

gl i guess

-infinity

learned your lesson claiming scum when hammered from Metal Game Covers huh

didnt i accidentally trick you into thinking murder was my partner in my twilight posting

-infinity

no, i ended up reevaling onto your real partner LOL

After MCat got limmed KEKW

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Or not
But I def remember the first one being the case, and the egg is gonna be squarely on your face for this one

[Infinity Zero]

wow brain go brrrr
Point is. You’re a dumbass. End of story.

-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

look at dwlee/roden interactions towards the end of d2, i think they're pretty clearing for dwlee

-infinity

[Infinity Zero]

still feel vindicated by how infinity slot treated me with 0 charitability and refused to engage the game holistically

fair enough we can talk postgame

-infinity