Mini 2240: SCP UPick 2 (Day 8)

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LMAO

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Didnt get to flex my godread

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Anyways im like hella clear and cant die waddup

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So all dclass are accounted for for n1. Roden tried to jankill and failed on dunn

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VOTE: infinity

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galron/infinity is the blatant solve stop trolling

^ oops is me
also zyla stop trolling i literally helped case roden before they slipped - read the game or i will let them mislim you.

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who is scum? you open the day just defending yourself but I'm not seeing any scumhunting initiative

I'm honestly thinking between you and SCP-999 right now.
SCP-999 is acting like they're 100% clear, and yet the only thing we have to go on afaik is their word for what their SCP is
You, on the other hand did a 180 on whether or not you believe my claim overnight, and I don't see any reason for that.

VOTE: SirCakez what made you change your mind on believing that my claim is town?

because Roden's claim seemed really legit and then he flipped scum

Maybe fucking take the hint that mechs are a ahiffy reason to make a read on someone

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Shitty*

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Are you trying to case me off the fact i mistakenly logged into my other scp alt by accident?
try again buddy.
I LITERALLT FUCKING CASER RODEN AND TRIED TO PUSH THEIR LIM BEFORE THE ALT SLIP SO FUCK OFF IF YOU THINK I BUSSED

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i literally helped case roden before they slipped

I may not be very good at this game, but if you saw good reason to vote for him as town, that's enough reason to bus him as scum as far as I'm concerned

No longer defending your slot. You're on your own.
If you're pulling this logic you can eat a lim.

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100% willkng to omgus every slot who foses me because i know scum want me buried as a slot who found 1 scum and cant be killed xoxoxo

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VOTE: galron you were just as under the radar as roden btw so you can go first tbh.

Infinity i was just pressuring to see how everyone else reacted bc i really hated their defense of roden eod

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lmao shut up and be limmed

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my case is you're not towny.

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after d2 the mislim options seemed to dry up bc of the roden slip and your panic is showing xoxo
Roden flip shows the jankill was used - and blocked alongside the Nightkill - lld slot claim is now true because of itm
Dwlee got cleared bc they were referring to them obviously.
Dunn is the doc save

I cased flipped scum at a point they were not the most viable lim and turned them into a viable lim, plus i cant die.


You're just fucked.

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galron flailing

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relax gamna i was reaction testing

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like it was literally heehee haha flavor that GIF did as fun for my alt slip lmao
has nothing to do with my alignment and only someome being dishonest would try to frame it that way

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U understand that objectively you hard defended roden eod right?

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Your alt slip was on an account that isn't in any games and it wasn't clear what it would do so I don't blame people for suspecting it.

Or maybe you could actually ask how i altslipped instead of assuming and making an ass of yourself when i explain its because on mobile i have passwords saved and jusr click the account i want to log in on and then reload page, and scp 999 and scp 692 are right next to eachother as its alphabetical order so i misclickled and didn't realize.

Esp when it would be ridiculous to include a mechanic for someone's preexisting account like I literally posted in signup thread before this game started and before rand with scp 692 account

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I'd say T3 is likely town but not confirmed. We don't know what happened to the mafia's night 1 kill. I don't really think that Ampharos targeted additional people other than just myself, and also don't think it is likely that there is another protective role with that role existing.

1 dclass was unaccounted for
1 dclass cost for rodens jankill

the lack of this being on the board is enough for me to believe the series of events ive presented at 99% certainty.

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im.never getting limmed bye

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I have a small reason to think this claim kinda fits in the setup a little.

who cares. evaluating based on claim alone is bad.

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Galron flipping red

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the way i don't care abt legacy reads rn but js my poe goated

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Scum:* is lolcatting and salty*
you: "do you think they're flipping scum?"

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gaining a mislim happens when you lim correctly - not incorrectly.

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please tell the person who caught the currently flipped scum going under the radar and was the first one to do so how to scumhunt yes.

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honestly i find it more respecttful to believe you will flip scum right now because frankly it would be sad to know that your play this dayphase was from a town perspective.

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koba could be scum trying not to tmi here. it's so insane to me that anyone could think he's still flipping scum here.

-infinity

silence roden defender

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honestly i find it more respecttful to believe you will flip scum right now because frankly it would be sad to know that your play this dayphase was from a town perspective.

Respectful? Explain.

I said as much as I wanted to in that sentence.

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infinity, perhaps the fact taht galron has literally provided nothing of value, barely a legacy scumread - and moreso has posted things that would make sense coming from a scum frustrated they got turbo elimmed after their partner PT slipped.

perhaps realize that it makes more sense from a town POV to think galron will flip scum and if they flip town I will be more looking at *your* treatement of them in twilight which *does* look like TMI in a town!galron world.

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Hold the fuck up - dunns had a guilty the whole time and didnt out it? Are you kidding me?

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and yeah.
VOTE: infinity

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wait so

scum either *didn't* target dunns - or they have a ninja

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Nah i think im good

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U hammered them when they were inevitable LMAO
U hammered for cred and thats it.
If you wanna see a genuine push onto roden you just need to see my iso where i dissect rodens meta and pull them out from being active lurky. Even without the slip i was going to likely push hard there soon.

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Ever since your slot was very private about claiming ive had my eye very close on you because it was a point where i was like "huh thats scummy in a role madness game"

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999, you were townreading galron d2, what happened?

He was shifted into my poe in the latter half
dwlee being cleared basically shifted him to the front too

also pls theres no way i am scum with roden- thats just not a plan that works out at all - look at the slots who tried to push back

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large part of me wants to say zyla still townslipped
The other part says POE is closing in around here
The mech info i just learned points to 1 other person but thats only if infinity were to flip town

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koba still hasn't answered how their read on us changed

-infinity

then i suggest you read the thread

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infinity im at the point where its either you or LLD slot + one more(if its you, then zyla, if LLD slot, then sircakez)

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so i'd appreciate if you explain - without resorting to mechs - who is a good alternative to LLD/T3 slot if you think they are town by:
explaining why T3/LLD is town
and explaining why another person is not town


this was the mech thing i mentioned that i noticed that unclears the slot - however - one thing is curious that i may reclear LLDslot off of but yeha.

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we have conflicting mechs regarding the doc save

either scum have a ninja *or* they did not actually target dunns and LLD led kill onto strangematter

because:

dunn did NOT claim having had seen anyone visit them OTHER than amph who is flipped doc.

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It is impossible because I used 2 dclass mistakenly thinking it was a flavor ability to counter the special scum factional when it was in fact just a way to disable my commute powers

I already went over this.

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I was 100% targetable on night 1

but it would be hilarious if amph gave me a pill and i was the nightkill target LMFAO

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what does your PoE look like zyla? and perhaps some in depth thoughts on infinity if you coudl

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zyla who's scum?

koba you didn't answer why you're clearing cakez and ceph, engaging with you is not usually like this when you're town

-infinity

town koba relying only on their own reads and not listening to anyone else?

thats definitely *never* happened, right?

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although it is funny bc the cakez read is predicated on listening to someone else's read there and cephir overall has displayed a higher level thought process that isn't easily fakeable as scum.

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[twitter]https://twitter.com/yossipossi/status/1 ... fEDXQ&s=19[/twitter]
yall this just crossed my twitter timeline

also: YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE BODIES IN THE WATER

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how do i use twitter tag help

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I GOT IT

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(Click to see the whole tweet bc the scp reference got cut off lol)

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

VOTE: dwlee
dead game, let's see if an E-1 will fix that

-Gamma

And yet when the momentum mattered this happened

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

You’re aware he posted that it was meant for a dead thread right?

-Gamma

who cares

LMAO this post made me crack up

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Infinity. Go over your thought process from d2 regarding rodenplease. I keep seeing a subtle defense of the slot and id lime you to outline every point where you felt a shift in how you were reading the slot.

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Thats meant for the infinity side of the hydra btw
Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

genuine but not overblown frustration about the d1 elim; good mechanics spec

-infinity

Seeing stuff like this and also her calling cakez push onto roden bad is again rekindling a hard desire for IZ lim

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(That was in response to me asking what about a specific post she liked)

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why not both dwlee

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based on stuff i think

zyla/IZ->zyla/IZ->cephir wins the game

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dwlee hard spewed town by roden/being counterwagon to scum
cakez hardspewed by an IZ scum flip plus not reasonably partnered with any POE people, also pushed roden early
t3 - confirmed vig based on dclass usage
Me- townread me u fucks smh my head i shone a light on roden when they were at 0 threat

let me see who else is still alive

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why not both dwlee

I feel more confident in Zyla flipping red here and I also feel weird about how you're playing around this. I don't think you answered a question I asked earlier either?

maybe the question was cringe so i didnt bother processing it so

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oh yeah also i fuckin hyperposted hard this whole game im hella slanky as scum in the longterm lmao

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dwlee maybe u should ask about my progression and what feels jagged and we can work it out

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whatever I'll just claim now, we're a JOAT that spends currency to buy items that we then use, we gain currency by being on elim wagons, which is why we've been voting as we have all game
I crumbed earlier in the post where I said I was "2 parts Reimu Hakurei, 1 part Sadou Maou", because in 2 past UPicks there were 2 different roles that had similar function to ours here, with it being more similar to the one in the Gensokyo Touhou UPick than the one in isekai upick. SirCakez should at least get the Reimu call-out, everyone who could directly get the Sadou call-out is either dead or replaced out (unless T3 actually paid attention to the proceedings of isekai upick)
I'm explicitly choosing to not elaborate on what powers we can get at this point in time

-Gamma

VENDING MACHINE SCP

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I know associatives but to go from lock town -> hard scum is still jagged

U know i exaggerate reads/obfuscate them unless asked to ellaborate.

Directly after there was a refusal to claim from iz you see my tone drastically changed regarding the slot-> i wasnt really hard defending as i did before

also i preflippwd LLD as scum and thought iz and lld were unpartnered lol

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requesting a cup of infinity alignment

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ok thats funny and i hate limming funny
VOTE: cephir

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ok but no

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it might not make sense from your perspective when it takes pushing for you to disregard mechs, like when we got kyouko limmed and people wanted to hop off bc of the FN claim and i shoved right through it


mechs matter when they intersect with dayplay :3

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??? i never said that i just like pushing my own wagons unless there's only 1 scum left. forcing a scum v scum wagon is the best thing to do.

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can we pls have some wim in here i dont wanna stagnate this game

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Oh i dont know the fact theres 2 scum left???

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How the fuck am i partnered with anyone else on that list ?? Lmao?
You just have a hard on for pushing zyla
im going to go back to my townread on zyla - that slip is clearing enough for them.

Im opening myself open to night actions tonight if we flip a townie here.
Seriously in what world does zyla come up with a slip like that to fake - this is unreasonable for their scumrange.

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Ok i was rereading to look at roden x zyla interactions and i actually reached the conclusion zyla looms worst on a skim like i remembered dwlee tried to consolidate with me onto roden AND also was potentially referred to by roden slip
But i think cephir is the most likely scum flip because of a perspective slip here from roden that makes much more sense post scum flip:
Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

The problem is exactly that: I’m recognizing that all you’re putting out is noise. Your solving this game feels very weak-spirited, sure you sorted a good number of slots but it felt like your sorting wasn’t meaningful. Your activity doesn’t help but this is like when I prosecuted CheekyTeeky in LN 231, it’s all about

what you do with your time

that determines how you’re read, for me. Where’s your sense of

direction

?

-Gamma

What? I was pushing Ceph even after I unvoted, and I'm currently trying to gauge whether or not Cakez is short-sighted scum or just impulsive/bored town. You'd have a point if I was solo lurking in a hyper post game state, but I've given out more content, reads, and thought processes than half the players in the game, even with me being on vacation. You're just wrong here.

If you're saying I feel different from the recent games where I died first or got mis-elim'd first for five games in a row, then sorry, but I've already said I'm adjusting my playstyle due to how unfun those games all were.

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i think mafia vig may be possible to with how we had a doc who can save several people at once - like seriously both cephir and t3 have been twiddling their thumbs like fuck all since we flipped roden.

lets reset and actually go through stuff please.


I honestly think im onto something and im open to being smackdowned by evidence but like - yeah.

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im gonna try to sit down and hard solve this game tonight please dont hammer shit and if you're on wagon pls unvote
i want to clear my preconceptions and try to review the game and try to get into the mindset like im a spectator - i very much *hate* a limlo situation here because i wpmt be able to solve properly bc i can feel being pushed on or even a random vote towards me.

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The reality is - if zyla is town, she *cannot* flip as scum so figuring out where to go from here in that eventuality if peolle are set on that slot is important.


As of right now im only clearing dwlee because of the evidence they are town here - i have a lot of paranoia but if dwlee is scum here i should just take the L and im fine with thag

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I really do find it interesting that SCP, despite claiming to be bulletproof, doesn't even seem to entertain the fact that they could've been the N1 NK target

Also this is *an uninformed mindset*

Yes i will go into zyla again and review but shit like this is very uninformed and we should not be ignoring where she is uninformed telling just because her playstyle is a bit weird and hard to read conventionally.

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ok dwlee just dont hammer please because i think I may be right qnd ive been right on zyla before where you were wrong so on that basis give me the respect to follow through with a case.

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If im wrong and we flip zyla scum? Cool i probably have to be policied based on how poorly ive played here but we dont lose which is fine because we still go into 3 way - ill still fight and say my piece but i wont blame people for thinking we are partnered in that scenario.

But i think im right here.

Im the type that keeps up with games i play very well so i know whats going on always - and when i say slots like t3 and cephir are thumb twiddling - it is from being aware of the whole gamestate i say that

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like seriously both cephir and t3 have been twiddling their thumbs like fuck all since we flipped roden.

??? i just made a series of effortposts like 24 hours ago?

The jarring lack of complexity is standing out.

You havent scumtold per se but the *lack* of towniness and how you're treating the game shows through.

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platitudes that are easy to say do not a towntell make lmao

stuff like dwlee asking to consolidate reads and that consolidation landing on scum is an example of something towny.

Zyla being woefully unaware of game actions that scum would be aware of - is towntelling.

you saying nice things that are technically pro town - is not towntelling.

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You want to look good more than you are trying to solve the gane

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awee too bad reality wont accommodate that.

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yeah i can back it up; there's a cool button after the post number on your posts that says "ISO" that will show several examples

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do a minion kick

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dwlee be like:
AtE = town!!

also quoting for my iso lol

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Sorry was busy last night couldn't get to this game

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ok im here - lets get to work.

my brain is absolutely fried so i might give up halfway but im going to give it my best go.

i urge others to try to put in some WIM into the game please.

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How the fuck am i partnered with anyone else on that list ?? Lmao?
You just have a hard on for pushing zyla
im going to go back to my townread on zyla - that slip is clearing enough for them.

Im opening myself open to night actions tonight if we flip a townie here.
Seriously in what world does zyla come up with a slip like that to fake - this is unreasonable for their scumrange.

what slip?

and day 3 was begging for more time while galron was run up and hammered against my wishes because i was on vacation????

this was my fault I really did not mean to hammer there

zyla townslipped thinking scum do not have access to SCP abiltiies - its a thought process that does not occur from a scum POV who knows they have SCPs. it happens fro ma town who is uninformed.

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actually im gona take a nap and then come to this game, my brain is absolutely unable to focus on anything right now.

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naptime over :3

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

I won't be around for the rest of the night, so here's a readslist

LLD - Lock Town

Dunn, Galron - Town
Ampharos - Light Town
Roden - Null Town
Dwlee, Infinity, SCP - Null
Sir Cakes - Scum Lean
Cephrir - Scum

GIF - Definitely Scummy, all of his posts are major TMI

@zyla can you think back to this post - can you elaborate on the reasoning for why you had these reads at the time?
Like how did you arrive at these conclusions. If you don't immediately remember - please try to reread the other thread and see what led you here.

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im currently doing a multiiso with roden + zyla together btw -> and the posts from cakez im seeing in quotes i find clearing for cakez

also lightly clearing interactions with infinity.

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

I'm so confused to why y'all are not understanding that

ok i cant fucking multiquote but - the string of posts before this point around zyla's claim is what i consider their townslip in the sense they slipped a thought process that is not one that comes from an informed party who knows this is impossible.

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

The problem is exactly that: I’m recognizing that all you’re putting out is noise. Your solving this game feels very weak-spirited, sure you sorted a good number of slots but it felt like your sorting wasn’t meaningful. Your activity doesn’t help but this is like when I prosecuted CheekyTeeky in LN 231, it’s all about

what you do with your time

that determines how you’re read, for me. Where’s your sense of

direction

?

-Gamma

What? I was pushing Ceph even after I unvoted, and I'm currently trying to gauge whether or not Cakez is short-sighted scum or just impulsive/bored town. You'd have a point if I was solo lurking in a hyper post game state, but I've given out more content, reads, and thought processes than half the players in the game, even with me being on vacation. You're just wrong here~~

If you're saying I feel different from the recent games where I died first or got mis-elim'd first for five games in a row, then sorry, but I've already said I'm adjusting my playstyle due to how unfun those games all were.

idk if i already quoted this but i wanted to make sure i dont forget this post but the fact roden is showing off that pushing Cephir early is a ~good~ thing is a bit of a perspective slip that cephir is his partner -> as well as the fact that cephir was pillowpushed earlier in the dayphase. I will have more complex thoughts on cephir x roden later as im currently still comparing roden x zyla atm but this stood out and i needed to post it here.

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

Dunnstral
Lady lambdadelta
Ampharos

SirCakez

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Infinity Zero (Infinity 324 + Gamma Emerald)
Cephrir
Roden
Zyla
Galron

Unordered in tiers

I want to stick with this, and if I trust koba's townreads by extension of my own townread on them, then I think that leaves me with
VOTE: Roden
Queue roden malding after that t3 game
Hey, it's not a tunnel this time :^)

I hate that your sheep meta means you're probably just town here.

Why do you trust Koba when they still have their vote on you?

dwlee is *definitely* town - roden is actively trying to pocket dwlee to get them to unvote him.

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

The problem is exactly that: I’m recognizing that all you’re putting out is noise. Your solving this game feels very weak-spirited, sure you sorted a good number of slots but it felt like your sorting wasn’t meaningful. Your activity doesn’t help but this is like when I prosecuted CheekyTeeky in LN 231, it’s all about

what you do with your time

that determines how you’re read, for me. Where’s your sense of

direction

?

-Gamma

What? I was pushing Ceph even after I unvoted, and I'm currently trying to gauge whether or not Cakez is short-sighted scum or just impulsive/bored town. You'd have a point if I was solo lurking in a hyper post game state, but I've given out more content, reads, and thought processes than half the players in the game, even with me being on vacation. You're just wrong here.

If you're saying I feel different from the recent games where I died first or got mis-elim'd first for five games in a row, then sorry, but I've already said I'm adjusting my playstyle due to how unfun those games all were.

I don't

feel

the effort from you regarding your ceph push or your investigation of cakez, though. I think saying you've solved more than half of the other players in the game have is a bit of a stretch.

-Gamma

This is such a nothing statement. How do you "feel" effort? I know I'm putting in effort, Ceph and Cakez however are barely even responding to what I say and you're literally town reading both of them over low effort posts. Why can't you just admit that the game state sucks and you're only voting me because I went absent during my vacation?

^ also a pretty important post / interaction

but anyways i wanna talk about this post:

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

do you have other suspects that are outside people's poes besides us? lld and dunn are towny to me based on their roles, and koba and zyla are quite towny based on their posting. with 4 townreads i feel good about, poe'ing seems like the best strategy to me.

i'll be honest, your recent pushback has felt pretty genuine to me, but gamma disagrees obviously.

-infinity

I wanted to do Ceph but no one wants to do Ceph. Zyla I'm lean scum on because I've seen her fake town tells before and do it convincingly. Ampharos hasn't really done anything. I don't understand Cakez' scum reads and he only committed to going after me when he got support for it.

My case on your slot is that scum loves to play devil's advocate and defend me when town gangs up on me to get town cred. It's happened literally every single game, and if you're scum then it's a unique twist where one head plays good cop and the other plays bad cop. I want to believe Gamma's AtE rant was genuine but his logic against me is just so bad.

^ roden really wants to discredit zyla and not let her be clear and keep her as a mislim option.
Keep in mind roden is still at this point wanting to stay alive very clearly with how he is playing. I also think the fact roden keeps talking to IZ like this trying to push them off is fairly indicative that Roden was trying to get votes off of him from town.

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alright so far while reading through roden + zyla together, mainly reading roden's posts I find:

Unpartnered:
IZ
Zyla
Dwlee
Cakez

Partnered:
Cephir


And then odd one out that Roden has literally mentioned nearly 0 times?:
LLD/T3

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now, when i went to look at context around Roden's last few posts - I saw a string of posts that was *very* interesting from both T3 + Cephir that look very much like trying to defuse the push onto Roden's very real scumslip.

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

There is a really important reason I've been saying I don't want to claim. Mentioning my SCP or ability in any capacity after I've used its ability will permanently cancel it and cause us to lose one Security Guard daily, or at least while I'm still alive in the game. The same happens if anyone ever correctly guesses what my SCP is or refers to the research I've done with it. AFAIK, it doesn't count if it happens in a PT though, and nothing can get retroactively canceled either.

I want to townread this soooooo bad~

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

we don't lim eoden

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

that kind of ability is bad game design, but it's probably either a legit role or a legit fakeclaim, so here we are

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btw at this point here - I think the vig is legit.
However what I do not think is that the vig being confirmed real means it is town.

I believe a scum vig is viable - especially because of the multi-doc being confirmed and the fact scum very clearly do not have a strongman as they would have used it on me as I claimed on d1.

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Doing a multiISO with roden + LLD + Cephir now.

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

Wtf happened yesterday? I woke up to the thread being locked and a Cop claim getting flash wagon'd for no apparent reason. I kept rereading what happened but all anyone kept saying was "yeah this is probably scum" over and over again.

I believe the Vig claim since I'm sure scum were salivating over Deadbeat's hammer and would never NK a policy elim. Though this means scum either no-killed or got blocked; it's possible they tried to shoot 999 to try to call their bluff. Either that or we have a protective role making god tier plays with zero information.

why did I miss this post lmao - Roden is *very* interested in making the vig a "confirmed" town here.

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

Hm. Cephrir seemed to not have a good reason for putting SM at E-1
But I'm also not sure about Dwlee not believing a Cop claim on D1

For now Cephrir doesn't look very loyal to the foundation, so
VOTE: Cephrir

btw this post is super scummy

sounds like the kind of person who wanted to come in here and eliminate deadbeat today, and now deadbeat is dead and town so they just moved down the line.

^ alright look - if we do flip zyla as town today *this is pretty conclusively a scummy framing of zyla especially when one considering the world where cephir and lld are scum together here*

[SCP 999]

Something tells me scum are informed about protectives and the vig shot onto a very PoE'd slot is put much more into perspective as a way to guarantee at least 1 kill

[SCP 999]

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

Huh, that RVS ended very quickly for a lot of people or felt like it.

Don't claim your scp flavor, it's linked to the breach mechanic. It's likely that more dangerous subjects have more dangerous breaches.

Don't be afraid to not use an ability as town if it uses up d-class or security personnel. I don't think all town players are supposed to use their abilities every night.

I like this post.

I agree both of what Dunnstral has said. The Upick is likely designed for not everyone to use their roles and flavor as balance if the roles are probably town favored. However, can't really say if this is town or mafia trying to look good with two fairly reasonable ideas out there, so I'm going to put a pin in this for now.

This post is pretty useless

But why is it scummy?

Huh, that RVS ended very quickly for a lot of people or felt like it.

VOTE: strange matter

This is a scum tell

I want to hear what this tell is by the way.

I think this is when I decided to vote this person. The main goal of my vote was pressure, but I felt that caring about why someone has an issue with them on page 4 is a scum trait. if i were scum, i might have been scared to e-1 someone and draw attention to myself and definitely would have provided a nice looking reason for my vote, but ok let's do level 1 thinking and pretend i couldn't do that for some reason because i'm so bad

Huh? Since when in the history of mafia has this been alignment indicative( btw yes i called this whole post towny from cephir but i never really looked into the content - I was just binning it as town for the time being because it was attempting to display thought process) I don't find this thought process towny though - its very uncharitable.

Yeah ok.

Btw I can confirm it is a PR role a newbie game would probably have, which is Cop, which I use 5 D-Class to check if they are Town or not.

Either way I don't think my role will be useful anymore unless we happened to have a doctor.

i really didn't like this post. the weasel wording around getting to cop was weird to me

LMAO WHAT?

, what is the point of telling us this. it seemed like a desperate attempt to link it to something they were already talking about?

SEEKING VALIDATION HERE

and discounting their usefulness made me think they were scum who was going to pretend to be roleblocked so they wouldn't have to produce helpful results. so i suggested that they might actually be scum. which was a completely normal thing to do for someone who couldn't see into the future. i wanted to talk about it more and keep them under pressure.

ohhh yeah this is a shit ass excuse because town would *want* to at least give a cop a chance to give a result. nah this is a nonreason

I think this might actually be scum?

I mean go ahead, follow the scumtell with almost no objections to it which nobody has stated and I don't know, kill PR and have another member of Town die.

this is fearmongering which i also feel is a scum trait

OK now we're just trying to fluff up our supposed case when the slot is already dead. Over explaination much for a supposed "pressure" vote?

This wagon just stinks of Infiltrators if anyone asks me. If you need my flip to confirm it I don't know what to tell you.

this is omgus

So? I very much doubt you find OMGUS inherently scummy in any capacity. It is *very* natural as town to feel that part of your wagon is influenced by scum especially if you are an investigative

I'm not going to claim what my flavor is at this point. Only 5 pages in and town has already screwed themselves over, and I'm already annoyed at this game.

and this is being deliberately unhelpful. thought a cop should want to play and not take their ball and go home after a barely post rvs nothing wagon. they crumbled under pressure and it looked like scum. again, i didn't plan to elim them on page 5, but if i saw someone act like this in another game i would vote them again. i'd be right 8 times out of 10.

Yeah this is like way too overexplainy for shit thats like "AYO i thought they were kinda scummy and i didnt think shitass would hammer" - looks more like an afterthought justification

my comments in blue.

[SCP 999]

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

Could someone please tell me why the hell we’re actually getting sussed? The most I’ve seen was Ceph saying that we’re “focused on mechanics” which at least on my part I don’t feel like I have been, and I think picking at me for talking about other games in relation to this one is the dumbest fucking thing ever for Cephrir who’s played me plenty enough to know that’s how I am. And everyone that isn’t Cephrir has done jack-fucking-all to rationalize SRing us.

-Gamma

on a quick skim of your iso this is the only post i see that fits the above description, but i could be missing something.

it's true that you do like to talk about other games a lot.

i'll think on it some more. i haven't lockscummed you forever and am feeling chill about the whole thing at this exact moment

this lines up nicely with the last post i quoted - in the sense that this was a strong thing that cephir found as scummy * but then cephir backed off IZ when IZ said similar*

[SCP 999]

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

Ok this is a random question for everyone : but who feels that Roden has flown really hard under the radar?

Sure. I liked his opening today but that's really the only time I've had a thought about him at all.

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

ok like full honesty i want to switch to roden 100% but like im afraid of people then flipping it as me trying to "save a partner" [zyla] and then like end up mislimming today and then tomorrow is even worse and we snowball into a loss - so i'm being careful trying to make sure we can cooperate - but if people are willing to listen and be convinced, I'd like to shine light on Roden here right now.

Obviously I want the information, we can decide what to do afterwards

*after I posted the info cephir did not interact with it at all or mention it* (read the iso from this point to see)

[SCP 999]

cephir and LLD hella danced around not mentioning roden or saying anything bad about him while Cakez IZ and I were pushing him.

like multiiso them yourself and see this, use my post number where I point out Roden's slank meta as reference.

[SCP 999]

yeah I think i have read enough and now need a rebuttal from the accused -> Cephir + T3 are probably the team here.

[SCP 999]

Thats fine. I just don't think reading anything you've posted eliminates you as a candidate for scum while the others I have seen reasons to eliminate them as candidates.

Tell me why I should find you unaligned with Roden or impossible to be scum here.

[SCP 999]

Like I can really eliminate all the stuff I've said why you are scum and you would still by PoE be marked as scum.


I was moreso building the case there is an agenda possible/viable there.

[SCP 999]

btw yes i called this whole post towny from cephir but i never really looked into the content

"btw yes i called this whole post towny from cephrir but now i need to prevent an elim on my partner"

I wasn't kidding, I binned you as town because i skimmed it and saw it was an explaination for an action and I was like ok sure thats good enough to not pursue right now -> which did end up with me going for Roden at EoD.

[SCP 999]

That was postslip.

[SCP 999]

Let's not forget that you were seeking validation for going onto Roden's slip with the latter post and found it with Dunn's post. It is not particularly clearing.

[SCP 999]

ugh been having headaches/generally demotivated but koba is scum but gamma doesn't want to vote there

i like ceph's response

zyla/koba is possible

-infinity

what about it do you like?

[SCP 999]

Gamma definitely has a much better grasp of my recent meta here.

[SCP 999]

Ok whatever - I think zyla cannot ever flip scum here and I've solved the game and cannot die so have fun kids

[SCP 999]

No I never moved the goalposts, you were just shooting at the wrong goal.

[SCP 999]

The Roden getting pushed for Dayplay gamestate is distinctly different than the Roden getting buried for scumslip.

Between the point of the scumslip and my calling out Roden - you made absolutely no mention in that direction. That was the point.

[SCP 999]

Infinity - I highly urge you to not mechclear LLD slot here and then try to solve from there - because *god* it is so enlightening to not solve with an incomplete team because I understand how one might have to force Zyla to be slotted in as scum if you're misclearing the LLD slot. There is literally 0 objective reason to clear LLD here - like just take her push on you on D2.

Like cmon girl I should be towny from your POV trying to derail your wagon when you were going to be a wrap if I even breathed on your wagon or even just did nothing towards it. But instead I actively *fought* it - so try again - clear me from your POV. While I might not be able to convince you Zyla shouldn't be bottom 3 PoE, I should hope you can come to having both LLD/T3 slot + Cephir in PoE as I do alongside Zyla -> Like Cakez + Dwlee are pretty much cleared fypov too. Play it by PoE without mechs and you'll reach the same conclusion I have I believe.

[SCP 999]

ugh been having headaches/generally demotivated but koba is scum but gamma doesn't want to vote there

i like ceph's response

zyla/koba is possible

-infinity

what about it do you like?

he cares very little about making himself look good. though tbf maybe he's just confident no one will listen to you? i think he'd at least want to make himself look good to everyone else though

-infinity

I don't see this infinity sorry - there *are* examples of cephir tryng to look good in their ISO and you would see that you read it, regardless I don't think this is a good reason to townread someone.

[SCP 999]

im gonna step away and allow reactions but I'm very set on what I've read unless someone can case anyone I've presented as the opposite of my conclusion.

Overall thanks to the fact we (hopefully) have a mislim left we are fine

if GIF gave scum a 2 shot vig i just blame them post game for making scum broken

[SCP 999]

I'm full claimed since d2

[SCP 999]

The way zyla has been online and completely ignored this game :/

[SCP 999]

i think town!koba would be all over the bad reason to tr ceph

-infinity

i beg you listen to gamma

[SCP 999]

"posts like scum"

so you admit its playstyle you're framing as scummy

thanks!

she also "posted like scum" in the 1 town game we shared together!

so no! the case against zyla sucks because it 100% relies on calling her playstyle /posting style scummy rather than her thought process.

[SCP 999]

infinity i am literally so fucking confirmed town from your pov stop tinfoiling me because you dislike i wont push the people you want to push.

[SCP 999]

slash refuse to clear people based solely on mechclaims or AtE - something i thought you were good enough to not do

[SCP 999]

Ok let's hear a description of why it is posting like scum, it should be easy since you singled it out as scummy posting after all.

[SCP 999]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12854761

after you do so - tell me what the difference is between this game (zyla is town) and this one! https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12854761

I await your definitely not agenda driven response

[SCP 999]

because you are scum and have no genuine thought process


i rest my case

[SCP 999]

incredible how you and LLD have the same type of inability in elaborating on literally anything reads related really makes you think!!

if zyla flips town ill eat crow but really - I'm probably not because she definitely genuinely townslipped because there is no viability in her faking it at her level of play! (not to say she is bad, that level of manipulation is just not soemthing that has ever been even remotely seen from her! It is a very complex type of slip! So unless one wants to claim that I am scum *with* zyla, something from my point of view is *IMPOSSIBLE* there is no way zyla flips scum here!)a

[SCP 999]

thank you for taking zyla off e-dwlee

[SCP 999]

my work here is done.

[SCP 999]

oh sorry i didnt know that we are not worthy of your explainations

[SCP 999]

if you're not full of shit, link scum games that prove it.

[SCP 999]

citation for everything cephir says so far:

"bro, just trust me"

[SCP 999]

nah its ok you already lost because neither zyla or I can flip scum and we have a mislim.

if cakez/dwlee/infinity+gamma have any respect for me they will sheep my reads if i were to be limmed here/zyla flipped town.


your

[SCP 999]

your outlook on the game is blatantly 1 dimensional and reactive.

you are just venting frustration now that i cannot die and you lack a strongman.



your reads are bullshit and depend on what requires you to survive.

[SCP 999]

if you were genuinely town here you would actually pursue the LLD/T3 scum theory - because you already claimed you dont take into account that the vig is real - you would have actually cared about that.

but you dropped a platitude and left.

Prove me wrong.

You *will* get limmed this game if you don't reply with a 100% certainty.

If you play nice and communicate with us - you can reduce that 100% down to 0% if you are indeed town.

[SCP 999]

if im posting twice as much as the next person btw im basically IC town by meta.
That isnt to say if I wasn't I'd be scum, itd just be in viability range. I'm outside of viability here.

I *can* get close to top poster as scum or be the top poster but i will never outstrip that hard because i need to feel the flow of the thread as scum rather than dictate it - Here I am dictating it, even though the thread isn't responding to me.

So yeah. I'm basically town as fuck.6

[SCP 999]

im town regardless of zyla flip but we dont autolose if zyla flips scum and an invincible slot that cant gain a mislim anymore is not a loss anyways plus there will be enough info to solve in 3 way anyways so we win anyways

[SCP 999]

whats scummy about it ?
gamma has been online, why wont he say it himself?

[SCP 999]

infinity i will literally just omgus tunnel you if you refuse to engage me because at least t3 townreads me and i will legacy you over t3 in final 3 after scum cephir dies in f5

so think carefully about setting up a gamestate where town can win if you will

and if you're scum, that move just 100% boned you.

[SCP 999]

because i fucking know scum you would be terrified to have me in limlo because of how powerful i am in limlo.

[SCP 999]

@gamma post, stop hiding. you have been around.

[SCP 999]

this is the lategame infinity, you are better than that to see 1 post and flip your read.

[SCP 999]

gamma*

[SCP 999]

infinity you honestly are very obnoxious to vote me after like all the fucking WIM i put into this game - and gamma knows it too that this level of WIM is extremely uncharacteristic from scum me.


so explain why the vote switch

I want to hear it from *both* of you.

[SCP 999]

Zyla flipping town would have given me too much power over the next lim so you need me gone now so i cant influence the rest of the game?

is that it?

engage me.

stop hiding.

i want more than 1 liners

give me content.

no laziness.

this whole ass game has been me trying my fucking ass off and eveyone else sitting their ass down except like cakez and a couple others who i appreciate.

[SCP 999]

this is the lategame.

we have a flipped scum

this isn't RVS or d1


where are the reasonings + thought processes?

I am seeing so little of it it is embarassing and if i get limmed town 1000% deserves to lose for the lazy as shit approach all game because the only reason roden got limmed was because cakez and I got off our asses and pushed him and then he ended up slipping.

[SCP 999]

like what literally happens if i get limmed is cakez dies and then dwlee prob instant votes zyla and we lose lmfao

[SCP 999]

nah stfu with the excuses.

youve had a headache all game

I saved your slot from a lim earlier this game

you keep ignoring that point and wanna pretend like theres a reason alwayts to avoid engaging me whenever hard questions come up.

I think in all worlds cephir is scum but you and t3 are never partnered bc of LLD.


So lets hear it infinity - who is my partner here?

[SCP 999]

man i wish kyouko didnt already replace into this game so they could replace into zyla slot for a free read

[SCP 999]

get gamma in here.
i know he is around.

you got a headache but i know gamma doesn't

I want a mf conversation.

Why can't T3 slot be scum to you?

remember: no mech reasoning.

LLD slot tried t oget you limmed hard. Do you not remember that? And in quite a lazy offhanded way.

[SCP 999]

Fact of the matter is, you're extremely lazy town here or just scum who is trying to avoid evidence I'm presenting from whats been going on in this game - because you aren't interacting with the game in a holistic sense and are honing in on small bits and pieces taht fit into the theory you want at the time.

[SCP 999]

like LLD was scummier than you are being here believe it or not!!! And thats why im appealing to you still here. because you have tunneled my slot TvT before in a similar manner in the rpg game! so you sitll have town viability!

[SCP 999]

alright ill stop posting but *please* someone make a case on *someone* other than myself like i am the only one casing people and rereading the game at this point and i understand why cakez might be detached at this point bc its just a gamestate where no one give a shit.

[SCP 999]

how about my stream of consciousness?

[SCP 999]

dwlee + cakez please lets consolidate together on a non zyla target I will literally vote anyone who isn't us 3 at this point because this is ridiculous.

[SCP 999]

if it isn't t3 its you so you can die
VOTE: Infinity

because you will defend t3 for no reason and we dont need that in limlo and if you flip scum we can flip t3 slot.

easy as fuck.

[SCP 999]

@t3 if you are town this is an easy consolidation too btw

[SCP 999]

part of me wants t3 slot to be scum so i dont need to apoligize to LLD as much because it means i was right about their play being shifty and intentionally manipulative to stop any pushes on her.

[SCP 999]

btw a dead slot who has been dead for a week has more posts than the next highest post count.

why does scum koba inject WIM into a game when I derive pleasure from having a WIMless game when scum

[SCP 999]

gamma knows this from when we scummed in townstumps!!!

[SCP 999]

prove it

[SCP 999]

oh wait u cant because u are unable to back up any of ur bullshit points that are all fake

[SCP 999]

ive been literally inviting you to make me look like a clown! prove me wrong!

and you are like ... no! i am the clown here .

[SCP 999]

i have literally hammered a townread before in a game because i knew that i couldnt get my scumread limmed that dayphase and i knew that if i let that townread live they would mess up limlo!

i play manipulative as town all the fucking time and am aware of gamestates!

[SCP 999]

Spoiler: CW: votato + l word

Subject: Newbie 2003: Earth [game over!]

apogee is town. if this flips town do not ever lynch them in 3 way. VOTE: votato

Subject: Newbie 2003: Earth [game over!]

if you really flip town then im sorry but you honestly got in the way by hardtunneling me so hard. sorry bud but there was a reason I didn't townread you since day 1.

Subject: Newbie 2003: Earth [game over!]

am I a manipulative player? Yes. But I do this so I can avoid getting lynched and get lynches that help my point of view solve.

[SCP 999]

dont look cephir, its me providing evidence to prove my points, i know you *hate* that

[SCP 999]

(i had reevalled them as town that dayphase and said fuck it and hammered them to get them out)

[SCP 999]

you've managed to convince everyone except me that you are not scum so no i dont.

[SCP 999]

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP Upick (SCP 682 Ending)

why the votes on us

ceph feels pretty towny

-infinity

Who is not towny?

ceph, roden, lld, and 999 are my only townish reads

i havent reread infintiy iso earlier but this fucking stood out like a beacon - townreading literally everyone who is technically objectively PoE here today + flipped scum.
this means that somehow infinity managed to misread all 3 scum as town? doubtful.

[SCP 999]

oh i forgot zyla exists but i also consider them conftown lmfao

[SCP 999]

on second thought reading more i dont feel as strongly that the infinity slot is scum but i dont care because theyre effectively tossing the game and need to be policied so bye.

[SCP 999]

no that isnt scummy because i am the only fucking one reading this game and i could have come up with whatever bullshit because im the only one efforting and no one is bothering to fact check shit.

[SCP 999]

nevermind i kept reading down to when i start to really hardpush roden and l o l i take back my softened scumread

[SCP 999]

get gamma in here.
i know he is around.

you got a headache but i know gamma doesn't

I want a mf conversation.

Why can't T3 slot be scum to you?

remember: no mech reasoning.

LLD slot tried t oget you limmed hard. Do you not remember that? And in quite a lazy offhanded way.

Sorry, but you’re scum exclusively for this post. Town!you would be all up in my grill for going low-activity, but instead you’re playing sycophant, hoping I’d call off the attack on you.

town loss is on you if you're town here. im actually putting in effort and you're not.

i relieve myself of all responsibility.

you can be the 4th scum if you're town

i honestly do not care and have 0 patience with you 2 at this point because there is no way you think i am scum because of the posts you point out.

[SCP 999]

if youre town, even if think im scum, get rid of who you think my partner is first, eh?

why do you want to kill the person who's holding the entire game's wim on their backs so bad?
want to create apathy that bad?

^ I'm pushing these responses because I want to eliminate all doubt that you are town if you continue this route.

I cannot flip scum.

I am basically doing what is a reverse spew, in that if you continue this path it confirms you as scum upon my town flip.

It's how I play as town when I feel pressured to the point of being annoyed. Unless the team is exactly zyla/me I literally just flop over and give up- and if it isnt zyla why do i not just make up a reason to let zyla die?
why not just tell dwlee "yeah just hammer zyla so we can move on"

no - instead I tell dwlee to wait


how many roadblocks do you think are reasonable for me to put in front of me for scum!me?

Why should i risk spewing my supposed teammate if i'm scum here?

Literally I am the worst option for lim here to you - you flip zyla you solve my slot according to your proposed thought process.

And yes- I said i am not as pressed if zyla flips town because i know the reality of zyla being town makes me look town by default. im just fucking able to be self aware and read the gamestate and objectively see how the game should be read.

[SCP 999]

the funny part is that cakez/dwlee/t3 are all going to come in later and say that im blatant town so

[SCP 999]

i'd like the barest of respect towards me to actually get some effort/explaination as to where the thought process on either me being scum or zyla being scum is.

I'm like so incredibly pissed at this game that im losing sleep and i wanted to get to sleep an hour ago and i havent been able to because im so annoyed.

ENGAGE ME
ASK ME QUESTIONS

stop trying to attirbute "hurr durr this post scummy aha"
that has never fuckng caught me as scum - inconsistent thought processes / impossible thought processes have. I am most scared as scum when I am asked what my thought process is on a slot. Or asked to ellaborate on reads I fabricated weakly for an agenda for instance.

Those are the things that end up exposing me! So please!

[SCP 999]

why

[SCP 999]

i have 0 chance of being targeted for nightkill you can hard townread me

[SCP 999]

btw you can hammer infinity if you want dwlee - they're at e-2 or e-dwlee

[SCP 999]

u understand that the level of complexity i have put into my reads is like extremely hard out of my scumrange here right?

like unless you think i am trying to win this game like i want a scummy for whatever reason like my life / honor is on the line - my ~5 most recent scumgames show that I am not like that at all.



you *know* damn well thats not the level of effort i want to put in only to lose the game.

[SCP 999]

judging by how gamma has shown a preference to just not play in this game anymore and infinity has a myriad of excuses not to engage on a deeper level than they are currently - I doubt you will really get that.

[SCP 999]

If you're town I'll figure it out

I want to see how infinity/gamma respond

what exactly are we supposed to be responding to? koba is desperate scum here, they've not given me a reason to re-eval

maybe i can put in a bit of effort tonight

-infinity

How am I desperate scum?

[SCP 999]

I have reviewed every slot in this game infinity. You yourself are pigeonholed into zyla/I
you refuse to talk about cephrir other than vague statements.

Tell me how thats towny

[SCP 999]

And?

[SCP 999]

All you did was say "it's possible"
Not prove i am

Also you 2 have 100% not reread any of my iso when pretend reevaling me scum
Bc there's a nice easy reasom to push me as scum that no one has brought up - ill see if you actually put in the effort to find it

[SCP 999]

Okay

That's a scum claim

Intent

from who dwlee

[SCP 999]

If your intent is on me i was going to once on my break show how my own reads actually display a depth of thought process vs infinity/cephrir beimg reactive and shallow.

the point abt not rereading me was to demonstrate there is a lack of good faith interacting with me - when town reevals they actually read the game they dont just flop their read late game because of 1 or 2 posts they saw unless its a guilty from someone else

[SCP 999]

infinity trying to frame a scumteam that pushes their partner when they're in no danger to a viable wagon while theyre the active wagon and 1 of those people is hard defending them.is just impossinle logic and should easily be hard evidence that the slot is scum

but people love to ignore logical impossibilities lmao

[SCP 999]

And the thing i was talking about that a towmie would bring up to say i am scum here is that i *did* push gamma while roden was the cohnterwagon and i did so pretty hard.

Anyone who was legitimately thinking about reevaling me would have actually seen that - but it hasnt been brought up

[SCP 999]

All your points are "could be" with 0 evaluation of my actual actions in this game.

get lost

[SCP 999]

I meant i pushed dlwee in that post just noticed the adlib