Mini 2240: SCP UPick 2 (Day 8)

[Cephrir]

Ego

[Cephrir]

idk, honestly kind of frustrated I didn't get a chance to respond to first thread's 843 since that was weird to me

This is kind of scummy

I'll look over stuff uhhhh not this weekend. I'm on vacation.

[Cephrir]

who is scum? you open the day just defending yourself but I'm not seeing any scumhunting initiative

I'm honestly thinking between you and SCP-999 right now.
SCP-999 is acting like they're 100% clear, and yet the only thing we have to go on afaik is their word for what their SCP is
You, on the other hand did a 180 on whether or not you believe my claim overnight, and I don't see any reason for that.

VOTE: SirCakez what made you change your mind on believing that my claim is town?

The biggest thing going for this slot in my mind is how consistently a scumbuddy would have told them to not make posts that they make

[Cephrir]

They did?
Also, even if they did, who cares?

[Cephrir]

SCP682 is some lizard creature that destroys everything. Why wouldn't you care that 999 invoked that?

Because it didnt do anything

[Cephrir]

galron flailing

^

[Cephrir]

galron flailing

^

Another one of those Book of Mafia scum tells. Because they're so fucking reliable.

Do something besides complain if you're town

[Cephrir]

What makes you think town havent found each other

[Cephrir]

You're just going to say "Oh 999 said infinity is scum with galron. It must be true."

Rly dont think anyone is saying this

[Cephrir]

What makes you think town havent found each other

If I knew who to trust this game, I would have some grasp on what's what.

So what you really mean is that you can't find town, which is a different issue

[Cephrir]

You're just going to say "Oh 999 said infinity is scum with galron. It must be true."

Rly dont think anyone is saying this

So explain to me why peple are folling 999?

Agreeing and blind sleeping are different. You're in everyone's POE right now. I personally want to reread Roden interactions before I vote today, but I certainly get where that is coming from

[Cephrir]

Afaict T3 and dunn are confirmed town; they're not doing very much but that seems like a start

[Cephrir]

Please dont end the day quickly for no reason again

[Cephrir]

I have a small reason to think this claim kinda fits in the setup a little.

[Cephrir]

It's the sea water.

[Cephrir]

I had one simple request

[Cephrir]

I really dislike the above post.

Pls give me time to actually think today.

[Cephrir]

if you look at our iso it would've been difficult to justify staying off him as the deciding vote

The fact that you're aware of this is slightly alarming

[Cephrir]

i don't understand why we're supposed to give scum free info when there's a chance we don't get eliminated.

Is there a distinction between this and any other situation where a claim is asked for?

[Cephrir]

i love how we were so towny and then we hammered roden and now we're scum for defending roden.

-infinity

To elaborate: this feels like scum mad that their intentional efforts to get towncred didnt pay off

[Cephrir]

having this game be in two threads one of which i can't easily quote from is really annoying

[Cephrir]

999, you were townreading galron d2, what happened?

[Cephrir]

cakez/dwlee what are your current reads on each other

[Cephrir]

i kind of can't believe our great conclusion yesterday was that other thread 752 was a bus from galron

[Cephrir]

ok i GUESS 755/756 are a bit wild

[Cephrir]

767 makes cakez look good i think, but i haven't actually done the research to figure out why roden gets mad at cakez here rather than anyone else who's voting him

can someone who suspects IZ convince me that 786 & 815 can come from a partner

roden posting that the scumteam is in a really good spot makes me think they weren't

VOTE: dwlee
dead game, let's see if an E-1 will fix that

-Gamma

maybe don't try to take so much credit for the roden elim eh?

Scum could definitely use it though? Makes it easier to push through mislims

it means a couple pocket scumreads can turn into an elim on you, the risk/reward seems incredibly bad

VOTE: dwlee ok compromising with gamma, and if others disagree with me maybe the mod did too

-infinity

hmmm

Dwlee is L-1
should I hammer? hm
p-edit: or Roden can do it too ig

Koba why won't you intersect our poes after that large normal?

the fact that this is how they reacted to being L-1ed definitely makes me want to hammer

hmmmmmmmmm

ok i forgot that roden's slip makes dwlee look really good. i think they're just town.

i don't think i'm going to get much of value out of how the wagon developed after the slip. what happened before is infinitely more interesting.

pedit: i must not have gone back far enough to see you pushing roden. i'll do that.

[Cephrir]

roden's zyla read is at nonexistent on page 20 and gets to a weak lean scum by 30ish. i think that's partnery

999 attempting a flashwagon on roden very explicitly and him promptly beetlejuicing seems not S/S, but then why does roden get mad at cakez and not 999?

tbh i liked 125, and didn't hate roden's reaction to the meta thing; i like a zyla vote better but i'll see what gamma says

@zyla actions are one thing but dunn is confirmed town unless he's doing a gambit with amy, do you think that's likely?

-infinity

ah yes, sick roden push. i can't really argue with some of their reasons for townreading him though since i agreed at the time

ok like full honesty i want to switch to roden 100% but like im afraid of people then flipping it as me trying to "save a partner" [zyla] and then like end up mislimming today and then tomorrow is even worse and we snowball into a loss - so i'm being careful trying to make sure we can cooperate - but if people are willing to listen and be convinced, I'd like to shine light on Roden here right now.

I don't object to bringing Roden into the light but I think unless I actually sense something off from him I won't be down to push there for real

-Gamma

??? when are we going to get to the push... is it after the slip? i don't give a fuck if so

I don't really have much to say right now either
Is anyone against ending the day early?

Because I'm not against an IZ elim if no one has reason to keep the day going longer

physically painful... oh, i see i made this exact post 4 posts later nice

what are the chances cakez posts 596 if he's scum with zyla and roden. i think that makes him a little more likely with IZ if anyone but maybe i'm underthinking it

finding zyla's townslip less compelling in retrospect

this is exactly the kind of conclusion i hate other people for coming to/thinking they're so smart they have it all sorted out, but i kind of think it's 1 of 999/cakez because roden's differential treatment of them is so weird, and 1 of zyla/IZ because they're both scummy on their own merits. i guess it could be zyla and IZ, but that feels arrogant

responses to these posts should help me choose between IZ and zyla

[Cephrir]

What mech thing?

[Cephrir]

we have conflicting mechs regarding the doc save

either scum have a ninja *or* they did not actually target dunns and LLD led kill onto strangematter

because:

dunn did NOT claim having had seen anyone visit them OTHER than amph who is flipped doc.

i feel like there are more likely explanations for the missing kill than LLD-scum, such as amph using more than one save which it sounded like they could i think?

[Cephrir]

T3 still seems locktown to me, I buy the claim - and find it odd that SCP is so against it

IZ is weirdly null
Same with Ceph

SCP started out the game talking about mechanics, but then started to say that mechanics don't matter
Dwlee's ability makes more sense for scum than town
Cakes is probably at the bottom of my list, but I can't put my finger on why

i appreciate that you're game to give IZ a run for their money in the race to be the scummiest c:

[Cephrir]

I really do find it interesting that SCP, despite claiming to be bulletproof, doesn't even seem to entertain the fact that they could've been the N1 NK target

these shade posts just don't even translate into reads

[Cephrir]

where is the TRAJECTORY, pink cat person

[Cephrir]

who is scum? you open the day just defending yourself but I'm not seeing any scumhunting initiative

I'm honestly thinking between you and SCP-999 right now.
SCP-999 is acting like they're 100% clear, and yet the only thing we have to go on afaik is their word for what their SCP is
You, on the other hand did a 180 on whether or not you believe my claim overnight, and I don't see any reason for that.

VOTE: SirCakez what made you change your mind on believing that my claim is town?

you could put your finger on why yesterday, did you forget?

[Cephrir]

would you like some syrup with those waffles?

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

??? when are we going to get to the push... is it after the slip? i don't give a fuck if so

the push was before that
I don't like how you're pretty much doing everything but actually calling us scum here

-Gamma

That's nice I'm going to keep posting my thoughts anyways so get over it

[Cephrir]

Ok not sure how I missed those thanks

[Cephrir]

id have less of a problem with that dwlee vote if it had some conviction

[Cephrir]

IZ's vote, i mean

[Cephrir]

VOTE: IZ

[Cephrir]

Currency, not d class?

[Cephrir]

I can dance a jig if that helps

[Cephrir]

why are all of your posts reactionary and seemingly without any town motivation?

you're right

VOTE: zyla

[Cephrir]

like seriously both cephir and t3 have been twiddling their thumbs like fuck all since we flipped roden.

??? i just made a series of effortposts like 24 hours ago?

[Cephrir]

and day 3 was begging for more time while galron was run up and hammered against my wishes because i was on vacation????

[Cephrir]

that literally doesn't mean anything and isn't true so i'm going to ignore you.

[Cephrir]

You want to look good more than you are trying to solve the gane

i literally just tried to solve the game this is ridiculous and it's making me think you're with zyla

[Cephrir]

you saying nice things that are technically pro town - is not towntelling.

you're just saying words. back this up

[Cephrir]

cool thanks!!

[Cephrir]

idk if i already quoted this but i wanted to make sure i dont forget this post but the fact roden is showing off that pushing Cephir early is a ~good~ thing is a bit of a perspective slip that cephir is his partner

you're really reading what you want to read hard here, or just scum.

he was accused of having no direction, so he named two things he was doing. he didn't even say pushing me was a good thing.

[Cephrir]

btw yes i called this whole post towny from cephir but i never really looked into the content

"btw yes i called this whole post towny from cephrir but now i need to prevent an elim on my partner"

[Cephrir]

Tell me why I should find you unaligned with Roden or impossible to be scum here.

That's not how mafia works. If you're town, coming to a conclusion is your job. I'm not going to sit here and try to prove something that is impossible to prove; either you're scum, or you're wrong and I'll need to hope that the rest of the town come to a less faulty conclusion. I'm not getting into a drawn out argument with you. I'm sure you would love that. I'm terrible at arguing and you're very loud. There's no point.

[Cephrir]

Like I can really eliminate all the stuff I've said why you are scum and you would still by PoE be marked as scum.

Sure. There is no possible way I can argue with this, so that can be your opinion.

[Cephrir]

cephir and LLD hella danced around not mentioning roden or saying anything bad about him while Cakez IZ and I were pushing him.

like multiiso them yourself and see this, use my post number where I point out Roden's slank meta as reference.

This is patently untrue.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13065833

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13066300

[Cephrir]

If you mean before that, yes I did not say anything bad about a person I did not particularly suspect wow shocking.

[Cephrir]

I didn't say it was clearing. Please stop making things up.

[Cephrir]

I see why people find you frustrating. The goalposts move so fast it's almost hard to notice.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir: that kind of ability is bad game design, but it's probably either a legit role or a legit fakeclaim, so here we are

yeah I forgot about this Ceph post - definitely doesn't look good

Idk how you get here I usually assume this about most claims

[Cephrir]

I would prefer to claim tomorrow but I guess you can make me if you want

There is one thing I am able to prove right now but I dont think anyone would care

[Cephrir]

im going to activate the provable thing, there is no reason not to since at this point it seems clear i have failed to draw the breach

[Cephrir]

The way zyla has been online and completely ignored this game :/

i mean we hate it every time she posts because she posts like scum, and we seem to be in the process of not eliming her so long as she doesn't remind us that she's scum, so

makes sense to me

[Cephrir]

"posts like scum"

so you admit its playstyle you're framing as scummy

you know who posts like scum? scum

[Cephrir]

really over having my words twisted

[Cephrir]

no. i refuse to engage with you on the turf of your choosing

[Cephrir]

VOTE: 999

your tactics are those of scum and your bulletproof claim is a convenient explanation for your survival

[Cephrir]

i'm extremely capable of producing convincing looking thought processes if i were scum

[Cephrir]

im very capable of elaborating on, or producing from whole cloth if i were scum, any read i choose. i am simply not stupid enough to choose a protracted argument with you on any subject, because i know you will find ways to gaslight the town and twist words/move goalposts until i look bad, and i know that i lack the debate skills to counter that

[Cephrir]

yeah, like that, that's exactly what i'm talking about, thanks

[Cephrir]

if you're not full of shit, link scum games that prove it.

no

[Cephrir]

i'll do that if someone else asks me to, but i'm not interested in proving myself to scum

[Cephrir]

no

[Cephrir]

infinity i will literally just omgus tunnel you if you refuse to engage me because at least t3 townreads me and i will legacy you over t3 in final 3 after scum cephir dies in f5

so think carefully about setting up a gamestate where town can win if you will

and if you're scum, that move just 100% boned you.

Yeah this is the sort of thing town does, said nobody

[Cephrir]

Man you think I'm really bad at this game huh

[Cephrir]

this is me btw

[Cephrir]

Nah, 795

[Cephrir]

I am able to self breach at any time. The effect of my breach is that the mod posts cats.

[Cephrir]

prefer to elim 999 today because eliming them is hard and will remain hard even if we flip zyla first, but i'm willing to move back to zyla if i have to

[Cephrir]

i will not be voting for anyone else today

[Cephrir]

if zyla flips scum why do you think it will be hard to flip me cephrir?

because you post 700 times a minute, shout at everyone all the time and are openly manipulative

[Cephrir]

that's not what you asked

[Cephrir]

I dont believe that you are approaching me in good faith. That is why I am not interested. I believe you are approaching me to find more words to twist.

[Cephrir]

And yes I am a little frustrated by your behavior and am responding poorly.

[Cephrir]

I will think about trying but I am also genuinely short on time right now, school is killing me a bit.

[Cephrir]

(And tbh the LSG I'm running is a higher priority than mafia)

[Cephrir]

Maybe consider that as town its your job to not set up a situation where if you're wrong, the game is literally lost because you refused to consider a world you were wrong in and thus have no retrospective comments to go back to to prove you were just genuinely incorrect. My olive branch is to at least set you up to not die in that case if you're town

You say this while threatening to elim anyone who doesnt do exactly what you want even if they're town lmao

[Cephrir]

Sorry I have trouble stopping myself from this sniping thing sometimes

Class now bye

[Cephrir]

if your brilliant conclusion is that i'm teamed with koba or zyla i invite you to get your eyes checked

[Cephrir]

fine

UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Enchant

[Cephrir]

i did not realize what research immune meant

[Cephrir]

i think occam has this one folks

[Cephrir]

Why isnt that an enchant vote

[Cephrir]

Why isnt that an enchant vote

Why it should be enchant vote?

oh, because you're scum mostly, but good point, i don't really expect 999 to hammer their partner :3

on a serious note, iz could be scum but i still have zylaslot/999 as top guess and i pretty much have the zyla slot as scum in every scenario

[Cephrir]

i was around when enchant replaced in and would have instructed him not to claim the ascetic part of his role and would have coached him to help himself - infinity and gamma were not around ergo enchant slipping in the way they did was what prompted the final push on the hammer - plus i was only really waiting on the replacement to say enough to get a read on them.

when i was scum with enchant in radio buzz, he just went ahead and claimed without consulting us

[Cephrir]

Has your predecessor not been g using this ability or ??

[Cephrir]

My initial reaction is the no elim may have been intentional, unless someone has a role reason that could explain it. It's deeply unlikely but technically possible that I could have done it I guess

[Cephrir]

Ah yes that explains all those stolen votes that have not been happening

[Cephrir]

I used 4 dclass last night. that was the only time i used any.

[Cephrir]

it may actually be worth trying to sort out the dclass situation from each night to figure out what's wrong with this picture

i'll just claim, idc since at this point i appear to have flopped.

pedit okay i'll wait then.

[Cephrir]

explain everything you've done this game is kind of a big ask but i may be willing to entertain a smaller ask

i kind of am more interested in counting the dclasses myself but idk if i'll actually get around to it

[Cephrir]

ok whatever let's just get this moving

I'm SCP-106 the old man
Each day I can pick someone to take into my pocket dimension that night, where we get a hood. It Ascetizes whoever I pick, so that's why I didn't use it night one. I also think that might be why there was no kill last night - I took T3 and he seemed like a NK target.

that's not what an ascetic is

[Cephrir]

ok we got there

[Cephrir]

i'm a 1-shot redirector. that's it. i sat on it as long as humanly possible because the fewer scum there are, the better my chances of hitting the kill.

last night i redirected enchant to himself. so if enchant is scum and has some role that prevents him from being killed in some way, it's theoretically possible i could have caused the missing kill, but it's not super likely.

[Cephrir]

why are there two doctors in this setup

[Cephrir]

i'm a 1-shot redirector. that's it. i sat on it as long as humanly possible because the fewer scum there are, the better my chances of hitting the kill.

last night i redirected enchant to himself. so if enchant is scum and has some role that prevents him from being killed in some way, it's theoretically possible i could have caused the missing kill, but it's not super likely.

Flavor?

already claimed, 795 reality altering cat

the flavor of my ability doesn't really make that much sense imo but it has to do with making the cat feel playful so it will influence the mind of the target

i wanted to turn you all into cats ;_; i guess that's where the breach came from

[Cephrir]

I realised what's going on here.

You trying to frame me. That's reason why i was breached at first place seems.
Nope, nope.
VOTE: Ceph

??

i mean i think you're scum but my night action has nothing to do with the reasons for that

[Cephrir]

you don't get to accuse me of being scum for something i haven't done lol

actually 999 did ask us to explain all our actions. that is why i explained my action

[Cephrir]

that post sure comes from someone with a guilty conscience though like damn you're so worried i'll realize this that you've gone and pointed it out to me

[Cephrir]

i don't really care whether we elim now or wait. i don't think i can be convinced it isn't enchant/cakez

[Cephrir]

really? wow

[Cephrir]

honestly never thought that would happen on this website!

[Cephrir]

using furry as a personal attack, or at least that's how i read it

very 2002

[Cephrir]

okay

no it's fine i just interpreted it as hostile never mind

[Cephrir]

if you're town here you definitely need to do something besides omgus whoever suspects you, your predecessor was scummy

[Cephrir]

I can't think of one, but I was always pretty focused on trying to save it until we were down to 1 scum so i could potentially clear or guilty someone. seems a lot better to me than any other possible use of the ability. figured i had no choice but to try it heading into elo though.

[Cephrir]

or guilty

(or just vig, as i ended up going for)

[Cephrir]

tearing this place apart for scum

have i ever done this in my life?

[Cephrir]

also, do i need to when your claim doesn't add up?

[Cephrir]

tearing this place apart for scum

have i ever done this in my life?

I feel like you've been more aggressive in past town games I've played with you yeah

also, do i need to when your claim doesn't add up?

Who is this at

u

[Cephrir]

I'm talking about your story changing about n1... surely you know that looks sus

[Cephrir]

VOTE: no lim

[Cephrir]

who do you even think is scum then

[Cephrir]

even if cakez is scum this is like heavily NAI because cakez ability creates a PT and thus cakez wouldnt just forget because they are scum

actually i guess you're right

[Cephrir]

i cant do this. i just have too much going on right now and this distraction is too much. im sorry. was really hoping this one would just fucking end

[Cephrir]

roden is a mad genius and lowkey the mvp

[Cephrir]

(his slip was intentional)